69 - "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" Review & SPOILERCAST

We'll conduct forever because if you listen to our previous podcast where we did a non spoiler review, we both have rated quite highly, not just in terms of face for the MCU, but the MCU in its entirety. And, you know, we've had some time to marinate and, you know, I think I still feel pretty much the same about it as I did when I

first saw it. Yeah, I think I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty similarly, you know, that fatigue kind of is, you know, worn off a little bit in the, I shouldn't say fatigue, I should say the, the height is worn off a little bit. And I like when we do that, because then you either get the situation's of Top Gun, or sorry, not talking to Maverick either to get this situation of Thor love and thunder, or you get this and I'm so glad I felt like this afterwards. And that's pretty

good. So yeah, I totally agree. So I'm definitely excited to talk about that. But first, we do have some news and man, just

a really unfortunate start. So Kevin Conroy, the the, you know, most notable name, maybe in the history of Batman, you know, besides, you know, the creators of Batman and the characters evolves, has passed away at the age of 66. Due to a short battle with cancer, and yeah, this was this was really a stunner to the comic book community in the entertainment community. This is, you know, I mentioned to you earlier that a lot of people have their opinions on who the definitive

Batman is. And they all have kind of their their pros and cons, you know, whether it's the Ben flax or the Michael Keaton's, or the Christian Bale's people, you know, landed in one camp or the other, but across the board universally accepted is, is the voice and the portrayal of that man by that of Kevin Conroy. And it's Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, I guess we'll we'll talk briefly about it. But we're going to reserve kind of our grander thoughts on

it. Because we are going to dedicate a an episode to Kevin not just Kevin Conroy, but also the the recently passed Jason David Frank as well. We're gonna kind of talk about those two and more expansiveness in a future episode coming up after this one. So yeah, just some quick thoughts on on Kevin Conroy. Yeah, I mean, all these they hurt so much. And I mean, specifically, I don't know why the this Jason David Frank, one really got me that one really,

really hurt me this morning. But I mean, we've talked about icons being lost on the show before, but these two specifically hurt even more, in my opinion, because of the status they had in the fandom. I mean, you talk Kevin Conroy and being synonymous with somebody. I mean, it's to the point where you pick up a Batman comic and you're reading it and Kevin

Conroy is voice. I'm so glad that you have to do Crisis on Infinite Earths, like I was telling you before because he got to see, you know, his hard work pay off. I mean, he's been playing the Batman and voicing Batman for 30 years. And he really, he really has a hold on what voice acting candy and so many people resonate with him and just just by him, his voice being so iconic, but it's more

than that. He really you really feel the depth of what he's bringing every time he steps in front of that mic and he starts to record it's and it's incredible, how, how in how amazing that his performances and his portrayal of Batman it's so there's just this grimness but there's also there's also this hope behind it, which I really enjoy. And you get that a lot. And all the animated projects, specifically Batman The Animated Series, and there's some bits in the Justice League.

And I love that because he bounces off the rest of them. But man, there's, there's nobody like Kevin Conroy in the, in the, in the animation game, in my opinion, in terms of voice acting, I think he's one of the greatest voice actors to ever walk this earth and rest in peace. It's just this this is a tough one. Yeah, a real tough

one. We talked about earlier how it was so cool that he kind of got these, these he spanned generations really, as the voice of Batman that in a way that, you know, very few voice actors get a chance to do I mean, you're looking at, like, you're probably talking about like your bugs, bunnies, and, you know, your your Looney Tunes, and your Homer Simpsons and those that's kind of the Pantheon we're talking about here, when it comes to longevity as a

character. I mean, he started Batman The Animated Series in 1992, and was able to span that, you know, up into the early 2000s with Justice League Unlimited, and then kind of got another revitalization with the Arkham games and the gaming community. And yeah, he's, you know, like you said the voice of Batman for 30 plus years and just, you know, it just sucks, you know, to have kind of this piece of your childhood so that's a big piece of it. Yeah.

Is your your childhood, some of yours Gotta start with stars are starting to be lost. And each time it's so much things you hold on to as a kid and even into your adulthood, you just remember these fond memories of these people? Yeah. So like I said, we'll be able to talk about this much more in depth. In our next episode, we'll kind of talk about our favorite moments and all these other things that come along with with losing somebody like Kevin Conroy. But moving on to the

other news that we have. So the rising ascent of one Joseph Quinn, which we, I guess, kind of could have foretold, you know, over the summer with Stranger Things came out that Eddie months and kind of took the summer by storm. And we're just kind of waiting on that ascent that you see, with so many talented, prominent actors, and he's finally getting his so he's going to be in the next a quiet place movie. So quiet place day one is where he's going to be making his big kind

of movie debut. Right. So, which is very cool. I think it's awesome. And I love this idea of stars being born. I think that's such a cool phenomenon that happens in Hollywood. I mean, Jonathan majors, we're seeing like the prime of it, but I think Joseph Collins was on his way. And I mean, this guy can actually act which I think is great. I you start, a lot of those British actors spend so much time on the stage, which really enhances their ability.

And I think putting him with Lupita Nyong'o somebody that's already won an Oscar in her own right, I think is a great place to kind of put him to start him. So I can't wait to see what he does in that role. And I hope he gets a bunch more rolls. Like I said, I think he can really act and I want to see him, maybe do a couple indie projects really, you know, show off what I think makes them really special. Yeah,

it's really cool. You know, we talk about the pitfalls of streaming a lot of times but you get situations like this. You get situations like Millie Allcock in in House of the Jaguars, I think she she's gonna be the next step to be the one that everybody's going to try to get in their movie or show. Yeah, so that's kind of what the streaming model lends to is these kind of, you know, these lesser known actors or actresses kind of deliver a memorable performance in a phantom thing

or a very popular thing. And then all of a sudden, boom, they take off the rocket ship gets strapped to them, and off we go. So definitely excited to see what the future holds for Joseph quitting, because, like I said, I think he absolutely stole the show. Oh, yeah. Well, we talked about Stranger Things a few months ago. So I'm, I'm excited to see what that brings. Speaking of excited, DC is maybe

starting to heat up a little bit. Yeah, yeah. So you weren't a believer before. So James Gunn and Peter Safran have begun brainstorming, and they're getting a plan together, they've looped in Jason Momoa, apparently on that. So that was well, James Gunn has shared some, some cryptic teasers on Twitter about what what or who more importantly, might be involved in. It seems that Lobo and Mr. Terrific are definitely on the radar in some form or

fashion. What that looks like, we have no idea, but it's interesting. Yeah, that one is kind of more cool, if anything, and I do believe that Jason Momoa is gonna play Lobo and I think that's a because it's one of those things where they never have to meet each other as characters and universe so you can still have them play Aquaman and also play Lobo which is interesting, but the Mr. Terrific one got me more excited to because comic Mr. Terrific is

pretty interesting. I mean, one of the smartest men on the planet Earth, which is cool, so I definitely can see them messing around with that. It's just the fact that he tweeted about it specifically and just tweeted the picture no caption I think it's much akin to what Matt Reeves was doing with the

Batman. Oh man that was like a day one on Twitter once he released that when we found out that Robert Pattinson was playing Batman and then all the other robes are getting announced in the in the Twitter exploded but I'm I really want to I have two things I it could be the Justice Society I think they were definitely one of the highlights of black Adam I and they need some characters to replace obviously you lose Dr. Fate so I definitely can see him

bring bringing him in. I also can see James Gunn, taking the taking the reins on maybe doing the Justice Society movie himself. I think that would be kind of cool. Or maybe he gives Mr. Terrific his own TV show. I was also thinking about that because he's all about these lesser known characters. And I think Mr. Terrific is somebody you can get you can pull a lot of with not a lot of lore, you can pull a lot of lore out of there, too. So yeah, I totally

agree. I think it's very cool. I think it's again, it just shows maturity in this studio that we haven't seen really. Yeah. And it's just good to see that there's some continuity Yeah, established, you know, what's kind of cool, too. I have this feeling that they're waiting like they're gonna give you all

those dirt. They're having the wherewithal to be like, You know what, we already know who you want and all these big characters the full justice like the seven Justice League members that everybody knows, I think they're holding off on that and they're gonna get all their side characters flushed out because I do think they're building to you know, a big crisis event on in the movies that we can all go see which the crowds gonna lose it like one of those moments, but I think the smart thing is

huge.

lysing HBO Max getting all your smaller characters some love and then just slowly getting back into Superman because we already talked about it in the episode there's definitely a couple of routes that can go I think the Green Lantern mythos is a huge piece of what they can go after because you don't really need to dive too too deep in the into the to the Batman mythos maybe you pull a couple of Robins maybe you give once Titans is over, you give another Nightwing a chance and kind of have maybe

a Teen Titans run. I think like I said, Green Lantern like that's where you can like marry the space opera because you can have him have it be like a true detective and space, it would be kind of cool. You can ask load Powell I think that's a layup for them. But I can definitely see I like this idea of them getting there. They're being sealless characters some love. So by the time we get to the end, you care about those characters by the time they're

with Superman and Batman. So it's not one of those situations where it's just like, well, I don't care about anybody else, like you're gonna care about these people. So that's ultimately what gave Marvel its legs, right is, is it got, you know, the main Avengers off the ground. And then it started doing things like Guardians of the Galaxy, you know, and it really broaden the universe of

widen the scope. And it allowed them to do things that they weren't able to do before and endear characters to a whole new group of fans. And I think that's a smart idea to kind of hone in on these lesser known characters, I think is a great step in the right direction. Again, just a good move by them to get James Gunn what a coup by them. Really? Yeah, that really well, they really took them took their own fate into their hands and they control their own

destiny. I like that. And then the last bit of news I have before we talked about Black

Panther is the Thunderbolt. So things are definitely starting to heat up. Yes. And lo behold wouldn't you know it apparently Harrison Ford is going to actually be the Red Hulk in it not just the Thunderbolts, but also Captain America boy. Yeah. So now and we're going to talk about it in I guess this may or may not be spoilers for for Black Panther Wakanda forever, but it there is some MCU world building. And in Black Panther,

we're kind of forever. And it has to do with the idea of what Vibranium is to the rest of the world, which we kind of all saw coming. But now it's a little bit more clear on what the plan is, and specifically somebody that I'm going to talk about in a couple minutes. But I think

this is pretty interesting. And I like you don't just get Harrison Ford and just have it's Harrison Ford, you're gonna have him, you're gonna have him play somebody significant and not only play somebody significant, but have them do something and I think getting getting Mark Ruffalo back into the fold with that, but just this I talked about, it's the you have your street level, you have your cosmic level, but then there's the world level itself, like the

actual Avengers operate. So this world level is becoming kind of cool, I think. Yeah. So I guess the other rumor because David harbor was was chat and event, some interviews, and he said that something's going to happen in this movie that's gonna fall out, like shake the entire MCU, which I thought was an interesting statement. The big rumor been floated that's been floating around is that the squadron Supreme is going to be in this movie, and there are hiring some big actors,

including Alex Skarsgard. And Ryan Gosling. I think, Alex, I don't know, I feel like Alex Skarsgard would be kind of cool, because he's already like a big guy. And I think it'd be cool to have like, Tim go dark and twisted at some point. But also at the same time, if you get the chance to get Ryan Gosling to get on but I do think that Ryan Gosling is gonna play some hero, whatever universe down the line? I don't think it's above him. I think he'll just have some fun

for a little bit. Yeah, I mean, basically, what they're pointing at is that they want Hyperion in in one of these movies, right? So they're introducing their their Superman analog. And so Hyperion is definitely that that for Marvel. And it's an interesting choice. Because I mean, that's ultimately when you put together these, like, these villain, you know, anti hero teams is like, Who were they going to go up against? That was? That was the issue with the

2016 Suicide Squad? Was the enchantress was not a compelling villain for this for that girl. So I mean, high pyramids definitely. Movie. Yeah, but I mean, Hyperion is a good choice. Yeah, I like the idea of the squadron supreme versus them too. And maybe like, a world order from a different universe, I think would be kind of cool. So and I think that might be it. Because if that's the end of Phase Five, I guarantee you the multiverse is gonna start cracking by that

point. So there's just gonna be another super team in the in the app and the 616. And then everybody's gonna be kind of confused. Yeah, um, you know, this Harrison Ford thing is really just blow my mind. So that he's gonna do Yes. Especially, you know, at his age. Yeah. To get him to do this. I wonder if they're gonna have like a, like a, like a somebody else. Oh, I do to read Hulk. I don't even doubt it. You're not from the Harrison Ford. Absolutely not those dots

away from me, Son. Son. Just Just don't. Yeah, so that's, that's really all the news that we got for

this week. It was a short, short news week. So let's jump right in and talk about Black Panther Wakanda forever. So what I didn't have for you during our non spoiler Have you I have for you now I got some numbers. I know you love the numbers, your numbers,

I got some numbers. So up to this point it has grossed $287 million domestically and $258 million internationally for worldwide two week gross thus far $546 million, which is really really great really great it a smash black Adam and a quick hurry, which we expected

it to do. Just real poor placing for black Adam to to not have enough room to breathe and quickly dispatched by this movie, and then the critic score and the fan score and all that pretty inline critics have rated pretty high 84% on Rotten Tomatoes, and the audience guy is way way up there 95% from audiences, so it's definitely not one of those big divisive movies. Much like black Adam was much like, what else am I thinking of in

this? In this grouping? Black Adam was like that the rise of Skywalker is notorious like that. Yeah, obviously like that. Captain Marvel's like that? Yeah. Yeah, some Yeah. Whichever way you you know, it sometimes, like Adam end of the spectrum where the audience score is really high, but the Rotten Tomatoes score is low. And then there's the last Jedi where the audience score is really low. But the the critic score is really high. But all in all, people really, really enjoyed

this film. And I can't say I disagree. We gave all of our non spoilery thoughts on the movie in a previous episode. So I don't know if you have anything else to add to what we talked about last time. No, I mean, I've definitely been thinking about Leticia is writes performance and more and more and it's just it truthfully is

incredible. And the only way we're gonna get after it is if we talked about spoilers, because the thing that happens, but yeah, she I think that it's, it's the best essentially, it's one of the best assumptions like Tom Holland's Peter Parker has this. And I don't know who else has this of like, you know, coming into their own as a I mean, I feel like Ironman is too easy to say, because he was already destined for it. But it's like, in Spider Man two was a little bit destined for it.

But this is definitely a character that could have just stayed the way that they were. And you know, been sad about the situations that happened, but they truthfully made a choice, and it was the right choice that they made. Yeah, I totally agree. That being said, I think we can just go ahead and jump into spoilers. And I think I'm where I wanted to start with this was. So this movie kind of was analyzed and looked at and,

and thought about in a variety of ways. And I think, I think first and foremost, the first way that that the first question on everyone's mind was, how are they going to deal with the passing of Chadwick Boseman. And, you know, in my, in my opinion, the way that they handled it was was really great. Yep. I agree. For those of you who don't know, obviously, this is the spoiler version of

itself. Spoilers. Oh, boy, this first movie, what they essentially did, they didn't really overcomplicate things, they basically just mixed character with reality. And the depth of two challah and universes is basically a mirror of, of chadwicks passing. So what they what they did was they basically made, you know, to challah had this, this illness that that he was withheld from from other people until he couldn't, and then it fell on Sheree shoulders to try and save

his life. And ultimately, she does that succeed. And that's how they that's how they treated and I thought, you know, Ryan Coogler worked obviously very closely, but chadwicks family on this point, and they signed off on it, and I thought it was it

was really perfect. That's why it's a bit frustrating that I see people that say that they don't agree with the decision and family FCF Ryan Coogler just freestyled it and not taught Of course, he talked to his family, and asked if this was an okay direction to take, why would you not do that? Yeah. And I just thought it was it served not just, you know, it didn't just serve the story in a really

incredible way. Because that was really the the launch point for Sherry's character, like this guilt that she was writing the opening frame in that movie. Yeah, the guilt that she's racked with, you know, not being able to save her brother's life really carries her throughout the movie. And then, you know, when you get to the passing of her mother as well, you know, just compounds that and I thought that was really, really

amazing. I mean, the opening sequence, opening title sequence, obviously being all silent the Marvel Studios Logan, I'm going to talk about that in terms of you know, movie making when when you come to court moviemaking. It's this idea that I don't think enough, you know, these big budgets movie is no one to be loud and know what not to be loud. And know what using silence as a enhancer instead of a sort of acquired I think is something that's such such an

underrated art form. And I think he does it phenomenally in this movie. Yeah. And it's a testament to him to be able because we've talked about these Marvel movies ad nauseam, how they become these almost like events, right? And people want to react to these events, but it's a testament to him. And you know, it's a testament to Ryan Coogler how he was able to command an audience to Yeah, to condition them to not react. Yeah, excellent. old adage, good movies make you

feel something. And we talked about different movies. If you want to talk phase four, you talk about like Thor love and thunder, like that movie, in my opinion doesn't really make you feel much. But like a movie like this makes you feel something I know, the argument is that She Hulk and I said it during the episode, it doesn't make you feel something, then you turn around with Miss Marvel, and in my opinion, that makes me feel

something. So if that's the route you take, you know, you can talk about all these different aspects of why somebody didn't like it, why somebody liked it, but at the end of the day, you need to get a emotional reaction, not like a crying emotional, but you need to invoke some sort of emotion out of your audience. And he has that. And, you know, it was just, it was so perfectly well

executed. I mean, it was, it served, it served the story, it wasn't, you know, just some two and a send off it was, it was

tasteful. And it it allowed the characters to grieve the character of to chala and allowed the actors to grieve the loss of their fragile, and then allowed the audience to grieve the loss of, you know, an icon and someone that they they revered, you know, the opening, what is that probably 20 minutes or so not even the whole funeral and all the opening 10 Like, to challenge that was like our grieving period, like our collective grieving period, I talked about it, when we did the Black

Panther one episode, I said, this movie is gonna be the, we're finally as a whole going to get to get to get to grieve this man, like, I feel like as a whole community, we haven't got to have done this. And this is definitely one of the most unique theater experiences ever. It was so brilliant on their part, to cut some time into this movie till to allow that I thought that was just really well done.

And I mean, the legacy of the character is littered throughout the movie, which is amazing characters lines, that shadow accent in real life, down to moments that your child had that are so so emotionally impactful. I mean, the attention to detail on this movie is so incredible. And we want to talk the movie itself being in the MCU. This is this is the level of grandeur that these movies should take themselves. That's why I see these other some of these others movies specifically in this

phase. And I get confused as to why we didn't take this diamond obviously, this is a special circumstance. But this is what they can get to if you let your director be their director and do whatever they want. So I think Ryan Coogler hats off, I hope I hope this man gets all the praise for what he was able to do. And again, I just sometimes you got to think about the bigger picture and beyond the movie. Like I don't peep I don't think people fathom the absolutely impossible job that

he had. And he did it. He did it. Yeah, he pulled it off. You know, even more than that than I thought he would. Yeah, I thought they created something truly special login, you said an impossible task and they nailed it. The second thing I think we're on most people's mind is what's

going to what's the deal with the Black Panther? Yeah, like who's it going to be? Who's in the suit? What? what's this gonna look like? I know the theories were flying hot and heavy that maybe it's multiple people maybe you know, maybe it's in Baku? Maybe it's surey. Maybe it's a Koi. Yeah, maybe it's Nokia. It's sherry. Yeah. And it's, it's absolutely the right choice. And I I mean, if you would have asked me this, like a year ago, I think is when all this stuff started

happening. I would have told you of course insurance and then Lutetia right the stuff started coming out of Atlanta Keisha, right. And now you're like, oh, I don't know if it's gonna be her. Now. Maybe they go in a different direction. They follow the comic. It makes so much sense. It's just it's the right thing to do you make it sure. But also, it will teach you right pulled off one of her perform. Yeah, you guys are gonna find out who the t shirt

right? Isn't. That's an incredible actress that's on an ascent as well. Her arc in this movie is something to behold. Yeah, it's, it's when you can see it unfolding throughout the course of the movie. It's really special. Like, it's vengeful, it's it's motivated. Its you can you can feel her pain, but you can also feel her, you can feel her drive

to which I love. And I love that little time jump that they make after a year because of this idea of you know, you need to sit with what happened, but she wouldn't let it go. She wouldn't. And I don't even think it's to me, the whole catalyst is that she couldn't say it's a child. I don't even think it was that even if he were to die in the battle or something immediately, I still think a little bit like that's the thing

about loss. Like you kind of come up with all these answers for the what will act in its fate. At the end of the day, you try to come up with all these answers and all these you know things in your head that you be like I could have done this differently. I could have done this differently. At the end of the day, when it's your time to go. It's your time to go. And I think she just couldn't live with that. That's a big piece of her market. She could not live with that. Yeah, it's it's

incredible. It's really watching it unfold. I mean, especially when you look at her character in Black Panther when you look at her character in infinity war like she's kind of like the the second federal kind of comic relief, you know, genius, kind of archetype. And there's, there's elements of that in this book.

There's also an evolution Yeah, they're there truthfully, it's, it's such a grand evolution to but there's so many complexities in there too, which I appreciate it's not just all one big dump at the end that she's, you know, the Black Panther and that she rose it's she had to go through so many trials and tribulations in this movie and salt small it's even down to scenes like where Ramona and her they go to burn their their funeral garden she says I'm not I'm not doing

this like I'm be and I love the ideas that they present this movie the fact that and it's not ideas of like MCU growing ideas this movie has but its ideas like she won't burn her funeral or guard because she doesn't believe in this whole ancestral plane 100% loved she's because I and it makes sense for her character because she's so rash. She's a scientist, she's very rational. She's I don't believe in this ancestral plane. Like, I believe there are science behind me recreating this herb that I

could save his life. But I don't believe that I'm going to take this herb and I'm gonna go see somebody in the afterlife. And it goes back to even like the little scenes in the first Black Panther movie where they're at the we're at their ceremony and she's like, I have something to say like, right, this course is really tight. Can we just get on

with it? You know, like, she never really was beholden to the to the, you know, the ancestral stuff as as the other members of family wherein that comes back later on when she does visit the ancestral plane. And spoiler alert, she does not see her mother her father told off on who she sees for a little bit. I think it's so cool. The way they

go about that. Well, it goes it ties into her arc because she I guess we should just talk about it now because it does tie in to her arc because she is essentially battling two halves of herself, right? She's battling with the with the verge, but the half of herself that is more in tune with her brother with the honor and the nobility of being a royal and being a hero being a protector of Wakanda. And then there's the darker half the vegetable hadn't come to

chala has that a lot. He's got a lot more of that protection over this nation in terms of being brutal about it and not letting it brings me back to Pikmin zone on Avengers and New Avengers, specifically New Avengers with the Illuminati and kind of where they drop the when Black Swan drops in the economy. And he's he's ready to just kill these people. No questions. No answers, I'm gonna kill you. No, I'm not asking questions like you're gonna leave or you're

gonna die. Like she really has that savagery to her which I appreciate. Thank you. Yeah, and yeah, and that's not exemplified any more than the person she sees in the ancestral plane. You know, I love her that to her that Savitri she that she's got because it never leaves. I don't think that ever gets resolved. Even after that beautifully done and seen in the movie. I don't think it's ever resolved like her anger is not it might be subsided and she

might come to terms with it. But I think that Turner is a person like she channels she does. She does channel it 100% I love how she doesn't tell anybody who shoots to the day. She doesn't tell anybody whom she saw on there. She's She told us stuff. Yeah, the story told us and it is the return of Michael B. Jordan. She sees killmonger on the throne in in the ancestral plane.

Yeah. And you know, he really speaks to her her dark side where he says like, there's a reason why I'm here and no one else is because we're not so different. We're both outcasts in our own right? You know, we're both we both want to protect Wakanda through violence. That's ultimately what this is. And he's right. He is right again. Kill monger is right hashtag kill monger was right. As much as Sherry didn't want to admit it and like she was angry.

She She didn't believe the way that the others believed that Yeah, did make her sort of an outcast. Yep. And she's smarter than she even talks about it. These elders don't respect me. She told us that to him Baca later, which another character, which I think people are gonna under estimate the weight of his art because he was, you know, cool and funny in this movie and

all of his beats it. I think people are not going to appreciate the, the, you know, the, the finality of what he does, for sure, and her ascension to become the new Black Panther. Especially at the end of the second act in that movie, too. Yeah. And she, it's so crazy that, you know, she takes she successfully recreates the heart shaped her and she takes it she sees killmonger Then she rather than embrace that. She says like it didn't work. Yep. You know what I mean?

Like, she just decides to bury it. And if not, for her getting superhuman strength, she probably would have been able to bury it, right? They knew at that point, like, oh, no, like it works. Yeah. You just didn't like what you saw. Right? And then I love that how that all tied into her getting her suit and how it was a mixture of killmonger and to chala. Yeah, they pull off that comic panel, that panel of Sheree solo run, where she's holding it out in

front of her element. Once we get down to our because I think I liked this idea that you created of us giving us our favorite things that happened in the movie that we'll talk about. I'll jump the gun on my favorite shot. That's my favorite shot. In the movie, I think it's, it's

lit perfectly. It's the perfect you know catapulting agent to go into the third act of that movie where she's kind of holding this, she looks at the chalice elements, and then she holds her own element up as she's taken the mantle of the Black Panther. And I love the mystique around the Black Panther. And you're what amplifies that it's name wars, the idea of name or amplifies the idea of the Black Panther in that movie, and I guess that's the next thing we

can move on to that's exactly what I was gonna go to is 10 notch where it says name or one of the best villains in the MCU. He is incredible. He's transcendent. He's, he's powerful. His his it's funny, because if you look at these interviews, that 10 notch were to does he's a lot like, he's a lot like Paul Rudd, like he's just a really nice guy that looks like he has, he looks at

fun. But man when he's on screen, his I think it's funny because he like counters, Michael B. Jordan in line, like his line deliveries hit every time. I don't know, I don't know what it is, but they just they land every time just the way he talks. It's just this. It's this protective nature over telecon. But it's like, it's this, there's no there's nothing to be

messed with. Like I don't, I'm not listening to secondary ideas about if I should change the way I roll I'm I roll one way and that's the only way that I'm

going to think about this. He's very scary he is they pull off this clunky and cheesy comic book character from the 30s and they make it work and the biggest in the best which is culturally again, I'm so glad that people like that got a chance to have their own character which they can kind of hold and I think Neymar is also going to get a path that maybe what we're going to see with Scarlet Witch to where he's going to get not a hero arc because I don't I don't think

it's that simple as him being a hero or a villain but I do think he's going to get solo projects they're going to put a lot of time and investors into top notch where to well he he's he's a hero to his people. Yeah, no, he's a God to His people actually. Yeah, and what that means for the rest of the world

is kind of irrelevant. Yeah, it's it's about how his people perceive him at the end of the day and that's all he really cares about them days even up until the end of the movie you know when when Sherry ultimately defeats him and he and they they kind of come to an understanding like what is it no more comes to him and is like why did you do Why did you potentially bend the knee to the to the Black Panther and he's like, because one day like the rest of the world is going to come yeah for them

because he says and it's like I said I don't know politics I don't even think her arc is resolved like she doesn't have any friends or allies right now like The Avengers have their own issues that they're gonna have to deal like even the Avengers themselves might side with the US us like in the other you know, powers that be in the United Nations versus siding with Wakandan some conflicts and naval name wars like again in a more it's like the Malcolm X to the idea of the Black Panther

being born with it like he's the suppose it radicalist which is you know, I will kill everybody on this earth for my people if there's no there's no sharing or anything like that. Like we we were kicked from this land and I love I don't love it. But obviously the the thing that happened, but the ideas that they brought in and name wars origin story, I thought was really cool. Yeah, he gets his name is brilliant. It's brilliant. It's out love. My enemies, call me no more.

Who's up on it? Oh, it's that you want to talk about the definition of on site. And it's on site for name or no matter who he's talking to? wherever they might be. It does not matter. And he is powerful in this movie like this. When they talked about it. Like he might be as powerful as the Hulk. Like, that's not a joke, like he truthfully, is taking Vibranium chips and just throwing them like yards and yards away and just tearing through their army. Like it's nothing the way he's

outfitted. Yeah, he's, he's got the green, the green pants. Yep, he's got the weight and feet. But he also has like the big Mayan headdress, right? That just looks incredible. Oh, the sequence where they do the flooding of Wakanda is so awesome. Because the way he moves it. So like I want to see more of that. I got it. I got to see more of that. And you see just his utter ruthlessness in that in that scene where he

where they assault Wakanda. You know, he's a lot like Magneto, like, I don't think innately he's a bad person. Not Not even for a second, but it's his overprotection, which is going to be his downfall. And it's, you know, it's it's the the idea that like, I gave you a chance, I gave you a chance and he didn't listen. And he does. He does. He showed us friendship and you spend my face,

essentially. Yeah, you know, because there's a lot of politicking that's going on in this movie in the backdrop whether you know, Sheree gets taken obviously by by name or in the title tell Kenyans tokens tokens. He gets taken, she gets taken and you know, remonda obviously in her grief, you know, does not want to lose another member for me. Oh my gosh, it's such a smart way to

speak up for Amanda. I'm just I'm not going to be surprised and I know there's a there's a taboo around the superhero movies getting nominated for anything but I I'm just not going to be surprised if and when Angela Bassett gets nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a movie. She really, she really owns the first like 40 to 45 minutes of this movie

with naval war. And it's just Angela Bassett really just showed them like why she's she's one of the greatest actresses that ever lived she her line deliveries powerful the emotion she carries, there's like a weight to everything that she

says she truly is a monarch. At the end of the day, there's weight to everything that she says the scene she has, and the Royal in the royal room with a coin a where she kind of she tells her off essentially, and is one of it's one of the best acted scenes both ways in the entire MCU in my opinion, that's what this movie sets apart is the general acting in this movie is one of the best in this

entire universe. Everyone brought it Yeah, across the board, Everyone brought their A game and you know, that was expected, you know, given the gravity of the product. But yeah, that that scene is so heartbreaking because they they lean into this idea that there's no there's no right or wrong here. You know, and everyone knows how fiercely loyal accoya is kingdom and like, that's why it hurts because like you know that remonda is acting out of place. So you'll see both sides,

you can see both sides of it. So essentially what happens is Sheree gets kidnapped by name horrendous people and a Korea has to go back and she's just like, Alright, let me go on a mission to get her and reminders like, Stop, my son's gone. My husband was killed. And now my daughter is gone. And you're supposed to protect all three of them. And guess what? All three of them are gone now. So why and you sided with killmonger? Yeah, and killmonger usurp the throne,

right. And she said I had to go begging to Baku, and I had to go up to the mountains to find him. Because you didn't come and help us that seen Black Panther one is really good to where she's just like a court. It's crazy, like a court is like I can't overthrow. So like, I was supposed to be loyal, the person sitting on the chair, not the person in the chair. And that gets really questioned in this movie too. But that was one of those angles that I wasn't expecting to be revisited. And

they pulled it off. But you can tell they put they put thought into everybody's art and just the saying yeah, serving. It's like, it's cool if you serve the story, but they also have good things to do to serve the story too. Yeah, nobody gets forgotten. Right. You know, and, you know, those are the those are, I should say, those of you that are in the movie, because obviously like Bill Cosby, you know, is just in the wind because Daniel Kullu you couldn't unfortunately couldn't

film for this movie. Nope. He doesn't. He was busy shooting. Nope. So but everyone that was in this movie had an arc of some sort. And that's great movie making at the end of the day, like all your main characters. I mean, yeah. Because there's another character that's in this movie that I guess we should talk about now. Sure. So. So the MCU is still a thing. I guess at the end of the day, I guess you got to connect this to some other things. So you know, Ross is their Special Agent Ross. He

got a promotion, I guess. Yep. He's Special Agent Ross. Now, Ross was buried once upon a time who was he married to? Then if he's hot? Damn if it wasn't, wasn't JLD Yep. JLD. So vows back. Yep, vows back. And she was married to Ross and that was a bike job. It was like, Oh, holy crap. That's kind of cool. That was neat. That was That was unexpected. Yeah, this this, this plot was very wheel spinning. Right? It's, I mean, this was the MCU plot that they

needed in this movie. And it's more fun because there feels like there's a vibranium more that's coming. And maybe they include that into this hook arc because I guess what's the one thing that's going to be able to hurt the Hulk in terms of weaponry could be Vibranium itself so that can be an interesting angle on how they play that so the hoax versus the

the hoax that are coming? I'm still holding my theory that I think that Ross is going to be related to the Harrison Ford's Thunderbolt Ross and etc. Yeah, I'm leaning more that might be

his son. Because so in this movie, Val is the val is going to be the she's the CIA director, which is interesting, especially after she hook gets that gets even more interesting because we didn't know we haven't known what valve right was Yeah, till now because we just thought she was just a person that had some power. Presumably, she's got to show up and Secret Invasion, right? I don't think there's any way that she's not gonna that Julia Louis

Dreyfus doesn't show up. And it would make sense yeah, it wouldn't make sense to put her and fury kind of at all against each other because essentially, she's gonna be like an anti fury going forward in the MCU. She already is right now. She's putting together like a dark twisted version of The Avengers. So I can definitely see that

happening. Because the rumor is that I get because there's a president in Secret Invasion and there's like a scene where his motorcade gets blown up so I'm assuming that President is gonna die and then Thunderbolt Ross is I think he might be the Vice President right now. And now he's gonna be the president. I think that he because he was the

Secretary of State. And then if you guys don't know American government structure, you go secretary of state, then you go up to the Vice President, and then you go up to presidents. So if the president dies, then valve would essentially be the vice or she would sorry. Our man from Thor from God of War Ragnarok Odin is playing the Secretary of State presumably taking Ross's spot because I like I said, I think Ross is the vice president now.

And I think he's going to be the president by the end of that movie. And I think it'd be cool if the president united states also turned into a Hulk and just so happened to also be Harrison Ford. That is very cool. I would agree with that Vic Air Force One energy you didn't think I was gonna talk about Air Force One this week. Yeah, like Gary Oldman was an Air Force One yelling a rogue Russian. Yes. And Mr. De KOVITCH from Spider Man three was in that movie.

What are we talking about Rafa Val Rossen Val, subplot in this MCU subplot in this big MCU. subplot big, big sticks out like a sore thumb in this very tight kind of Game of Thrones esque superhero political narrative. There's these just this government subplot that kind of sort of ties Riri Williams into the whole thing. Yeah, cuz she's the scientist, essentially. And yeah, they do the scientists thing. Typical scientists scientist trope. Yeah. Yeah, she's, she's good. Oh, I

think she's gonna own that. i She's gonna feel like how Aman Villani fell in Miss Marvel, I think is what domine Thorin is gonna feel like in an iron heart, she has a lot of fun. She merges with the cast very seamlessly. She's like the American fish out of water to a place where she definitely could belong. I like that a lot. I like how she contends with Sheree to like they bounce off each other really nicely, because they're both kids. They even talk about it in the movie.

They're both they both are essentially kid geniuses and how people don't appreciate when kids especially kids that look like that are that smart? That's where she uses the chat about young young black and gifted environments was very nice. And I'm assuming in the iron heart show we're gonna get more Tony Stark stuff. Right? Because I think there's gonna be because that iron heart costume is very

Iron Man. That's very mark one iron mark one and mark two like, I think it is going to be like she was probably inspired from because she said like she says there's like a whole YouTube channel dedicated to my signings. I wonder if that's people she goes to MIT. All right, Tony Stark. Yeah, I do seem to have given many a lecture, right? So go read some

newer Ironman. I think it's Invincible Iron Man number three is where they have like that whole beginning of like her origin and ascent into becoming iron heart because she was in the comics before and then she essentially became iron ore. Yeah, so I guess that was that was really my only thing with her was like I would have liked to have at least seen like some some maybe shorthand exposition of how she was why she created of all the things that she

created. Why did she create like an an Ironman suit essentially, you know, would have been it would have been cool for her to kind of I mean, I get it it could be just the hold on the MCU because what makes the wheels turn in the MCU it's it was Stark Tech for a while it was start Tech was the thing that everybody wanted ensure even calls that she's like, why do you why are you building Stark Tech in here? And like because that's the thing like that's the technological

advancement. You saw that stuff? Like it wasn't a statistic it was like a it was like a timetable that from the time that in 2010 Because I think this will be takes place in 2025 that like he was just he was talking to a hammer on the on the Capitol and he was just like it's gonna take 15 years before anybody creates it and then it was 15 years before she bought it out. I thought that was

pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, so I mean, that's the type of stuff like people complain about but like we expected that type of

stuff Oh sure. No matter how kind of isolated you want these projects to be where we're at the point now where they are going to have to tie in this is the last project and phase four too Yeah, so there's gonna have to be some stuff that gets set up you got to make concessions in short you know, you got to put stuff in certain stuff like the studio is gonna make you hit certain beats and I think Ryan Coogler did as good a job with that stuff as as anyone could

have. I don't think I wouldn't put that in anyone else's hands other than his to do this stuff. Man to hit do we hit like every kind of major kind of through line I think started talking some some shit talking shop. Yeah, I think we I think we hit everything major. I mean, we've talked about Winston Duke again talk about for a while we can talk about the other members in the in the Wakandan family quote

unquote. So also Lupita Nihongo had she got so much more in it she did have slight depth in the first movie but this one it's I mean, the thing that happens is that truthfully the thing but it's just it's these heartbreaking lines that blur the line between reality and narrative of them talking about like, she says like to everybody he was the Black Panther in the king like he to the to the Avengers world he was the Black Panther to Kingdom oval condo he was the king he was the one that

was overseeing but he was just he was just the love of my life to me at the end of the day that's the only thing I really that's why I left I didn't care about all those other things.

Yeah, I love how they position her as again another another kind of on the spectrum of outcasts like she's another one that you know is kind of outcasts because of of her nature as as a spy and she kind of just not It falls out of love with O'Connor but she just there's nothing for her there and you know, you know, like, the love of her life is gone like what is she staying there for? She wasn't gonna stay to challah asked her to stay in the last

one. Yeah. And you know, once she loses him and what else? What else is there? She can do more good. She She kind of fulfills her. Her dream, not her dream from the first one. But the point she was trying to make it to chala was like, we can do more for the outside world than just be cooped up here and we'll condom and she fulfills that. She does all the outreach stuff. Who else we got? Yeah, what's the Duke? So Ambach was back Yep. And he's just as good Yeah,

he is just as good. He's definitely owns the most of the comic relief. But you can tell there is such this respect that he had for to challen universe like that. He cuz he beat him in combat and he didn't kill him like you got to think that some of those other Black Panthers would have just killed him and especially his father would have killed him on the borders fall and kill monger talks about that later that your father isn't this good man, you know that

right? Like he was. He was a he essentially was a he wasn't a war monger. But he was a he's a hypocrite essentially. So you gotta think that mbaka really respected to chala and to challenge dying wish you gotta think they might have also been friends because he said you're gonna he like he said he basically is the Hand of the King this movie is a lot of Game of Thrones like they didn't an infinity war together. Right? Yeah. He was he truthfully was like the Hand of the King in

this movie. Like he really was there for sure. He threw her through her accent not only as the of the Black Panther, but also as the person that's got to be the figurehead of Wakanda to basically said, you know, he says to her like, I promised your brother that I would give you honest counsel. Yep. Because nobody's gonna be truthful to you. I'm gonna tell you the truth. And because no more just couldn't help himself and he told her you. You talked about a guy that follows through on what

he says. So Queen remonda is killed by man of Lutetia right it's so good in this movie like her script she wasn't she was just screaming like mama at the end I was like oh my gosh, she's selling that so well. That what a what a move What a move is yeah, it's that line he What did he say? He said but he said Bury Your Dead mourn your losses you are quitting now wait a minute. Yeah again there was that you know I want you orange you like he's he's not he's not he's not in the negotiating business.

He's in the getting stuff that

is yes. And yeah, that's what happened yeah, he's definitely like Illuminati material of like I'm not about I'm forgetting stuff like I can definitely see the MCU Illuminati kind of moving in a character like they got him right in terms of that like this is where he would he wouldn't be on some Avengers he would be in the guys that are really calling the shots team Yeah, yet, MAN Yeah, and yeah, that's what happens remonda dies and Sherry's kind of left left to her own devices and she's and

again it's not that she wants to take the herbs to be a hero she wants to kill namely if that's the only thing that she does she again her and her our computers are really similar and that way especially from no way home of like they lose the person that meant the most of them and that time they they both go on this arc of revenge like they have a heavier revenge aren't but they get people around them that really show them like there's more to that than this like if you do this there's no coming

back from this and for Peter obviously it was the other Peters that showed him that and for this it was definitely like it was Nicky in Baku that told him like there's more there's more to this like her mother up to what Brightwater mother, she sees her mother her mother gives her the moral thing like I mean that's what that's I guess that the second half of no way home is really special in that way of talking about it's not it's the cool you get through spider man

but cooler because you get these ideals like the you get this such great understanding of great power and great responsibility in there and this you get reminded dies and again I'm Baka says I'm gonna be honest with you like I'm gonna give you the truth in these scenarios. Like what do you want to do? Like you? You know, I don't want to be queen. I can tell you don't want to be the queen. You want to kill name or that's the only thing you're

focused on right now. Like, it's not a it's not a good thing to have. But again Tomago tells you like are you gonna you're gonna be hypocritical like your father. Are you gonna get stuff done like me? And she has both she does both. Yeah, again, it goes back to that ascension to heroism piece. I mean that I mean not to step on it, but like the musical moment. My T suits up and she just dropped into a little meeting. And that big. victory

fanfare kind of plays. Yeah, it was like the synth tone mixed with the Ludwig Gore's and Black Panther theme was real good. It's cool because it's like, you're like synth tone is synonymous synonymous with like tech ensures very technologically advanced. I thought that was a cool bit to have that be her like theme. I think this movie is just exceptionally well crafted right the other day like that's, it's it's a plus right now.

That's why it's like you look at these other projects, like, why can't we put this T and we were looking at clips of Infinity War, like, you can tell that's tender, like people are putting time and effort into making sure everything works like we need to do that. If you're making so much money, and you're the biggest franchise in the world, you need to do this forever. I, I'm not hearing this excuses that you don't have money, make the money and make the time you can do it if you want to. And

again, just goes back to it. And then I hope that getting to it, like, slow down, slow down space things out. It's fine. Yep. We don't need a thing every two months, right? Like, just do more of this, do more of this, basically, is what I'm telling you. And I know you can't always do this, because you don't have as gifted people. Right doing this, but I think you could get those gifts. Yeah. I like Chloe Zhao. I think if you can, oh, I mean, I have different opinions

on eternals. But Chloe Zhao, like, You got to get people like data, but let them be them. Don't try to impose your will on this. Like, I guarantee you they weren't going in there calling shots to Ryan Coogler. So I mean, based on circumstance, but do that for everybody. Maybe not Tyco with TD, but do that. Do that for everybody? Yeah, I totally agree. And I think it just, it just bears out in the

end. Like, when you let the directors Cook, and you and you have a cast and crew that understands what they're what they're doing. It creates something like this, you know, and again, it just goes back to just the exceptional writing ability also to be able to balance all of these things and doing in a compelling and believable way. And that's not even notwithstanding, like I guess we can kind of jump into a couple

of different things. But like, it was hard for me to nail down what my favorite action sequence was, because a lot of great ones in this movie as much as we talk about the the story beats and the emotional moments. It's a really dang fun action movie. So yeah, that the sequences are brutal. I think that's a definitely a visceral Yeah, they're visceral, they're brutal. They're very immersive, especially that bridge fight with a coin a and, and a tumor.

That's like very fast paced, but you can feel the hits in the weights and what's happening specifically, when a tumor kind of spins a coin a right into our sphere that I went to this movie, I saw this movie twice both time the theaters both times were like, have like a very audible like, jeez, like, that was you could feel that like, they're definitely taking the time to make sure these accuracies sequences are nailed

down. Right. I think they another thing that a lot of filmmakers don't do is they don't understand the Christmas criticism what happened before? I think Ryan Coogler understood the criticisms of what happened before and it's even down to some of the even the shots that sure he has with name or in that last fight like there's a lot of slow down versus this really hot, fast paced like a lot of practical as much as they can do. I found it was a really cool

fight. That's my favorite, my favorite action sequences that the fight between Sheree and Neymar on the beach. Like you said, it's visceral, it's brutal. It's very intentional. Yeah, it is very Yeah, it reminds me a lot of the older and I know Kugler specifically mentioned Empire Strikes Back. And one of his influences for this movie because he just kind of looked at it. Historically great secret. Yup, he was talking about Godfather, he was talking about empire.

And one of the hallmarks when we talk about the old movie Star Wars movies is, is the lightsaber fights are very deliberate or not flashy and spinny and flippy. But the strikes are very deliberate. And that's how this fight and swinging the morn surely fell. It felt very deliberately. Two people tried to kill each other, essentially, because not because well, I guess, insurance case, she wants to kill me more, but more because though they would rather kill them be killed.

So that's kind of where they're both coming from. And they both fight that way. Yeah, they can. I think that's really cool. And I think it was really important for them to differentiate Shuri fighting from challah to not make it seem like it's just the same thing happening. And she fights very differently than she does. She does. That sequence is incredible. The first introduction of of name wars people is really, really cool,

like bells in this movie. And again, it's what Thanos does in the beginning of Infinity War, it gives them credibility. I love that shot. We're neighbors like draped in black just floating above the ship. It's my favorite shot in the movie. Okay. I mean, we might as well get into it. And I think this would be the last things that we talked about this movie into our favorite aspects of this movie. And what we think is great about it, we should have done this for Morbius

would have been more fun. I don't have these written down. I

have them written thank God, because I didn't write them. I have them written down somewhere. But I didn't write them down this time. So yeah, we can we can talk about that. Let's get into it. So I think the what we could start with is your favorite musical moment in this movie. I think that's a good place to start. And I think we might both agree on what our favorite favorite musical moment is. It's Yeah, well, yeah. You know, I do I do want to say it's sure you're dropping in, you know,

yep. to the, to the throne. because it's just so cool, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna stretch this category a little bit. I'm gonna go my favorite musical moment, but it's a non musical moment. And it is the montage, the Chadwick montage at the end of the movie that is mirrored, you know, from the beginning of the movie, it is draped in silence. It's sharing, remembering her brother, and all these images of Chadwick flashed on the screen and total silence.

There's not even voiceovers, it's nothing. You know, it's sometimes my favorite sometimes, like they say that, you know, black is the absence of color. And my favorite musical moment is the moment that is the absence of music, because it's so powerful. Just just it lets sureIy reflect on on everything that

transpired. It lets us reflect on everything that transpired and it's it again, it does what the what the last movie did in you know, I mentioned it's funny that I'm kind of marrying these two things that let my favorite moment from the first movie is the end of the movie when it transitions from to Charles smiling until the end credits and that to all the stars please. And then this ends with Sheree reflecting in silence and then the transition to the to the Rihanna song at the end.

Yeah. That's, that's what I'm going with for my because it's so just powerful, such a powerful and the movie. So that's, I stretch a little bit, but that was like that, quote, I heard it first and end of the effing world a really cool dark humor comedy on Netflix, where in season two, the main character talks about sometimes silence is the loudest thing that you can hear. And I think that's a perfect example

of that. Just letting the audience feel as a collective for the last time we can kind of immortalising in put him to rest as people, you know. So I thought that was an extremely beautiful choice. Like for me, it's the Black Panther her her full out the she drops in its tents. You know, that hole, it's the end of the second act right up into the point where her feet land. And they have that Dutch angle shot looking up at her. Man, I love the way I think I

told you. So we're in courts filmmaking corner now. You know what he does really well, he can track the heck out of a of a character of a subject. I think that's such an incredible skill. And my philosophy that I hold for myself is don't cut the camera, keep it rolling. And I I love the way he moves. His AC on this movie didn't have Rachel Morrison. This time, I'm gonna look at who he had this time in a second. But I know she did an incredible job. This movie is

shot incredibly well. But I think it's more because I think there's this misconception about cinematography, for people that don't work on movies, it's more of stuff like that, like the idea of how you move the camera and make it you know, you feel in involved in this movie, especially there's specific shots, I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of the shot and where they do the first actions, the first action sequences of iron heart with the two of them, were

on that chase sequence. And it's the moment they do I don't know if you notice, but they do this one take where they're kind of following rereads garage and they're kind of following them around. Like there's this really good one tape, but it's just people walking in him holding the camera. I think it's just it's so much better. Like, I think that's such a good, good choice. It just makes you involved a

little bit more. But what I'm getting at is, it's when after remonda dies, and she talks about like, there is like ship and restocking to her and she's just like, what are we like, what are we going to do? Like your mom protected you like, what are we going to do it she's just like, we're gonna get the Black Panther back like the Queen's gone but we're gonna get the protector back and they do this they do the rack focus and that she's out of focus. You walk around to focus on like

this man. It's he's filmmaking he's actually making. This is really good. But it's just that all compiled right into her dropping and that score. I hope they keep that in. They amp that up, because I hope she does get a solo project for herself, which I mean, essentially, she kind of did already, but I hope she gets another one. But yeah, sure that that moment is incredible. I think it's one of the staples of phase four that people are going to talk about and remember. But yeah, it's an

incredible musical. But I think what have we gotten? It's different. He's he's more subtle this time. He doesn't need to be as booming or roaring as the last time. I think it's something that a lot of composers like these great composers Hans Zimmer does that a lot. He doesn't have to be loud. I mean, you talk interstellar he doesn't he's not loud with that score, but he's curious with that score if that

makes sense. But then he returned as a form you know from the from the first movie and the at the Fall us again, oh my god. Yeah. When they kind of recapture that original Black Panther one magic I thought at the falls when they when they crown a new king, right. So I think the next thing we should go to is your favorite.

Let's do your favorite world bill. I mean, world building slash law moment. This might be a cop out. But I really loved the introduction of telecom. Oh, yeah. Yeah. As so because it's a difficult job, right? Because you have to establish this thing as unique. And you have to establish it as different from Wakanda. Right? Because you already did that. Right? You'd like you don't want to retread familiar territory. And I think they did a wonderful job of

that. I think the, the, all the motivations make sense for why name Lord just decided to take his people and through the rest of the world? Yeah. Because, you know, he understands like, because he already feels kind of like a freak, because of he's already like, his people are already different. And then He's different from them. So like, he's not going to expose them to, to the surface world, because why would he? And it also makes sense why he wouldn't get involved in any of the other

things that happen. Why should he there's no point for him to, I mean, half his people were snapped away. So he probably was a little confused when that happened. But he has no he has no need to go to the surface. Why should he and why? Why should he give the people anything that those that talocan has kind of created for

themselves? Yeah, so I think I think it was that for me, I love the I love the way that they they kind of merged that with the Atlantean stuff and why they are different, like the lore behind that and how it is kind of similar to the heartshaped herb and yeah, that's right, that that was pretty cool. I loved all the parallels there. And I just thought that was

really cool. And I look forward to see more of that, you know, being explored in the future a potential telecom civil war between a two man named more because they are enemies in the comic so I think they're going to play on that a little bit more because I think it's going to be no more and a to my kind of try to revolt against name war and I, I think what would be poetic if name more has to go to Shari then vice versa, of like, I'm not going to because he says like, she has no friends. So

she's going to come to us. I think it's going to be the other way around. He's gonna have to go to them. And I hope she pulls. I hope she pulls the Hickman New Avengers and she kills him at some point, I think would be really cool. But like way down the line, we can wait a little bit. Yes, I'm gonna go with the establishment of Tableau calmness as my favorite Lord building moment. Sure. I'm a sucker. The fact that Val's the head of the CIA, I think is very interesting. It's

interesting is this. This is about to get really interesting of what's going on in the MCU. So I mean, MCU Shall I guess I couldn't help myself. So I am. I like to see something something I think we need. I think we're at the point with her but we need to see something. Yeah. Because she is very like she does kind of stand out as like this kind of almost like she's approaching like mustache.

twirly as you are. It's like a villain going so I'm, I'm waiting for that additional dimension to come into her character. Maybe they give her a fight sequence or something in the Thunderbolts where she's just like, she like i She's just Nick. She's like the anti Nick Fury. Right? Yeah, I do think that she's a scroll. I think that's what a cool thing is, I don't think she's really the real Ross's wife. Like I do think that she's a she's a scroll. And this is a big piece

of what's going to happen. So you could envision again, I wish that Avengers five was Secret Invasion instead. And then they spaced it out a bit where it's like Secret Invasion, and then you do Qing Dynasty and then you can do Secret Wars. But you know, beggars can't be choosers.

What is your favorite? What's your favorite moment in the sea in this movie? Oh, boy. Favorite moment. Good lord. I'm, I gotta go with I'm gonna go back to the celebration at warriors fall. And crowning in Baku, the king on Wakanda. I thought that was very cool. I thought it was a great callback to the first movie. I thought it did a great job of capturing all it kind of captured like the celebratory nature of that first movie, in that one scene because we hadn't gotten that for the entirety of

the second movie. Like it was so grim. And there's an element of hopelessness and mourning and grieving, so I thought it was nice just for that even even sureIy coming back as the Black Panther was kind of shrouded in bench and vengeance. Yeah. And it wasn't like the celebratory thing like yeah, like the Black Panther lives. Because it's different. Yeah, it's not the same. They're like, you also know like, she's assuming the mantle because she's, they're going they're gonna good bout to

go to war. Like, it wasn't like, went to child became black panther. And Kenya was this big, celebratory thing. So like, I thought it was cool. Like for that one little kind of, couldn't have been more than three minutes of returning to warriors falls, everyone's in their celebratory garb. And, you know, you think it's going to be Sherry that comes down to claim the throne. And it's in Baku, and he's just like, I'm here to

challenge for the throne. And you know, that implies that no one's going to challenge him and he's going to be the king of Wakanda. And that was very cool and very unexpected. Yeah, you know, for me, so I really love that I got to do specifically When Nate Moore shows up in Wakanda, to drown Wakanda I think that's that sequence alone but specifically that like, two minute fight sequence he has with with the with the sky ships, it's just it just shows off his power. Like, truthfully,

I think that is incredible. Like the way his movements are so awesome. And they're just so he's got like that he's got like Allen Iverson handles. I love the way he moves. It's like they're quick cuts. He's powerful. He's intentful. And you can tell he's guy, it's not that he's had some training, because I don't think that's the right way to go about it. But he's seen some stuff. He knows how to handle any situation that he's in. They're good with speed. Yeah, the MCU knows how

to do speed. They shouldn't kill Quicksilver and the flicks. In between. I mean, we've sung the praises of the Makari sequence in the Eternals they really know how to how to do that. I count on you. You watch Jessica Jones Season Two. Yes. Remember? I do yeah, that was fun. But no, that's a great choice.

Yeah, when he rocks up on Wakanda like, because you've never seen like Wakanda gets invaded and infinity war, but it's on the outskirts and it's also the biggest bad in the entire MCU and it doesn't feel as kind of personal No, no, he's there. Thanos is there to handle this visit like naval or comms like into their home and it is personal and it's very versatile. Yeah, so yeah, that's great. Let's do next your favorite line in this whole

movie? Man Oh, man, that not as as kind of burned into my brain is like some of the ones from the first ones are but I can't I can't get over the feeling that I that I had when remonda goes on that diatribe about being you know, losing her son losing her husband. You know now I've lost my daughter I'm queen are the most powerful nation it's in the trailer. It's the line from the trailer. And it's just it's stuck on my head. And that was that's our Oscar clip. Yeah. In

a heartbeat. Because once you because you you once you get the context context of what's happening that just makes it because the way the trailer cuts it makes it seem like she's

doing it at the UN right. Oh, it's much it's extremely personal again it it's such an interesting contention to have a koi go against from London be like, you know, again, you're supposed to protect my whole family but they're the three of my the three people I love the most are gone and you were the you were the head of the dorma logic so how is this adding up to you doing anything that can help anybody?

It's that just a lot of the things that Neymar says I mean going down to his name like people call me cool, cool con, but my enemies coming up more. I have more soldiers in this country has blades of grass like that one. That's a very Thanos it's a very fantasy lie of like, how powerful he is only the most what is it? Only the most broken people can be great. So that was my that was my favorite line in that entire I for myself. Personally, I think that's my favorite line in

there. I I love the prospect of I know his his origin was very exposition heavy, but in flashback he but I think just the way they shot it was I think, really beautiful and a beautiful way to present the talent Kenyans. And as Tekken nine people I think that was really well done are people of Aztec and Mayan descent. So hats off to them forgotten going about it like that. But yeah, that line just it's such a small short line, but it's something

that's very impactful. Just again, Sherry, if she wants to be this great leader, she's seen so much loss and so his name or stay Moore's live, he says once you've lived for as long as I have, you're going to see a lot of things and you're going to lose so many people but I'm a great leader because I've lost these people and I know how to protect them now and it serves as a nice little antenna antithesis to what to Chaka said to said yeah, about leadership.

You know, you're you're a good leader, because you're a good man. Yeah, is when he tells the challah and no more kind of takes a antithetical approach. And I have a great leader because I'm so broken. Yeah. You know, in other words, like he doesn't, he doesn't cop to being a good man, just cops to being broken and cops to having the respect of his people and also getting in not being afraid to protect his people. Yeah. And on a roll mentioned to the throwback to the Civil War line

that Sure, yeah. Oh, man. That's so yeah, Vengeance has consumed us, but we cannot let it consume our people. Yeah. Obviously a throwback to challah when he talks to Baron Zima. Yeah, so I thought that was great, too. But Angela baskets like delivery in that throne room just is burned into my brain. What is your favorite? Did we say we already talked about action sequence, right? Yes. Or no? I think we just talked about moment or scene. Oh my by mistake. So I guess we'll shift

what I said before. We'll take that and put that as the because both of ours were action sequences. So let's shift to our favorite moment or just straight up scene in this movie. Um, man, that's a good one too. I I Geez. Oh, nevermind. I thought we lost the audio but we didn't. I just stepped away from the mic for a second. My favorite scene is I like I guess I'm it's gonna be another action sequence that fight the fight on the bridge man with a co a and and the

Tumen Amaura and Company. Again, it's a great example of no one to talk and when one doc to talk, they were just I love that. I'll call you another deliberate kind of series of actions. Yeah, I love the, you know what I love in movies. And I'm going to talk about a movie that does this extremely well.

But when movies have action sequences that lead into a sub section, but a more impact, emotionally impactful piece of that, like the, the epilogue to that action sequences, the emotional heart of that action sequence. There's a sequence in Mission Impossible fallout. So you have, it's when they they are interrogating somebody and then the cop pulls up, and they're in. I believe they're in France, and then Henry Cavill is

holding his gun. And Tom Cruise tells her to step away if she doesn't, and then he shoots her. So they do the CHE sequence

right? And it's going and it's going and Rebecca Ferguson shows up and then it ends and then no, they cut all the music they cut the whole score and then they go in the circle and they just keep going they just keep going it's a one shot and they just keep going and they keep going I love that so much and this movie does the same thing in that fight and it's this huge shake was chase sequence than the top that's a lot can show up they throw their

water bombs. Yeah, they throw the water bombs and that's your surprisingly impact. Oh my god their nukes acidic their tanks, and then it leads into a quays crowding denier Greer's crowding action sequence in this movie where she's she has an arch nemesis now and that's a tumor. Like I love that. It's so personal, like a tumor is just like, because the tumor essentially is a coin a to name where like, yeah, he kicks her spear back is like a Nemours.

Like, what do you do? He's like, now I'm, I'm gonna finish this like we're, we're two warriors that are gonna fight. Yeah. That warrior respect. Yeah. And then I really like Yeah, so I think that's not the last we're gonna see that. I think we might even see that in what I presumably think the accoya solar project is going to evolve into the midnight angels. So yeah, that was really cool. Again, we're he just pulls her into this. I was like, this is getting skinned

dark, man. So that's, that's a good one, I think my favorite moment. And this movie was at

the end. And you have these two leaders of these two powerful nations and then they just intercut between what make them them what really supplanted all of their, all of the things that you know, forge them into the leaders that they are and you just you have the sequences running of nameless thinking, because I think Sherry reaches out and it may more sees his mom reaching out and and it's just intercut of like, what conda just being a beautiful nation and talocan being a beautiful

nation like we shouldn't be fighting if there's no point to fight each other right now. Like we're watching our people kill each other for no reason like any polls, the Imperious Rex, like that whole sequence I think is really incredible. Yep, I agree. Let's get into your fit.

And I think we're down to the last three your favorite performance in this movie. Oh, man. It's um, again, much like the first the first movie I know I'm not overthinking it. It's it's Leticia. Right yeah, you know, it. It. It could easily be Angela Bassett. Like it's their one one a one b i just with her. I just wasn't expecting what I got ya in the best way? Yeah, I mean, they didn't. And it's So marketing is such an such a battleground in

terms of moviemaking. And you want to talk about marketing this movie perfectly. I mean, I do think some of the circumstances regarding the t shirt right caused them but I guess it was a blessing in disguise that they didn't overplay the fact that she was just going to straight up be Black Panther. And then and I mean even a lot of her dialogue and character moments in any of the channels but they're just,

they're so they're so thin. Like they're very they hit you each time because I think it's because you don't expect it from Sheree because you're just thinking about this plucky kid that's super smart versus this woman that just had to watch literally her entire family dying the people that mean the most to her die and how again, because we're still Game of Thrones it a little bit. You still need to be the leader of

this nation. And I mean for her the big thing we didn't talk about is there was this question throughout the movie like why don't we have a black panther right now like you have you you've been working on this earth for all this time. Like why don't you take that I don't think she wasn't ready yet. She

wasn't ready to do that. She didn't she didn't mourn her losses yet she didn't she performs the arc in such a believable way that everything like I said it's it's one of my favorite ascension to heroism stories that we've ever gotten in the in these MCU movies. It feels so earned and so deserved in she just every aspect of it of her performances was so great. You could feel that she still has that infusion of like that ashore

humor? Yeah, like she doesn't lose that you know she doesn't go to too far into the darkness like she still maintain that that that Sheree goofiness that we remember from from the first movie, but also just this tremendous weight that she wears. Yeah, that's it. That's it for me. I think I probably I have to agree. I can't really disagree with that. I mean, Angela Bassett is right there, but I can't disagree with her too. Yeah, you know, yeah, I'm gonna save that for the for the last

two. But yeah, I it's just, she's loud. But then she's quiet. She's She she punches through the screen with emotion and then she dials it back to read really practical and her thought processes and her her morality and her theories about the world. She bounces off each character so well. One Ramona dies I think that's by that's the best she is in that movie. You feel that it's the same way that it got me one at May died.

And you see Peter that it's just this disbelief that they have and like the idea like, the person that was raising you was gone. So now you have you're there. You're there for yourself. Now this is it. Like this is the this is your time.

So man, man. It was it was incredible. Second, the last, the penultimate question, what was your favorite shot in this movie? It's, it's I think I'd stepped on a little bit earlier. It's the introduction of Neymar. When when he's draped in shadow, and like, he's just, it's very Superman. Yep. Where he's just kind of like floating there. And you're like, oh, this Yeah, this guy's This is a different cat. Right? Yeah.

You know what I mean? What's cool about it is like, the tokens were already on that ship already wreaking havoc, just like Belle escapes by the skin of her teeth. And they're just, you know, they're these beasts essential. Not, not the people itself felt like, like, you know, like when you call a basketball player of beasts, like they're, they're like, they're strong, they're formidable. They're killing

everybody on the boat. The when they're just doing that, that humming and then people are just walking into the water is really, really intense. And then you think it's over and then the baddest of all of them shows up in just takes like bells character out and just hovering there. Like he's flying. He's flying. Like they can't use it. They fly now. They fly now. He's got the big big head dress on. He's just drinkin shadow and it's just, again, it introduces this character without saying

anything. Its introduction through visuals. Yep. And that's the best you can ask for like, there's not many establishing shots of a villain like that. That I can remember your antagonists I should say. That's a really good. That's a great one in my opinion. Mine. Again, it has to be the shot of, of Sheree. Holding the helmet she she's walking through. She's looking at Charlie's helmets. And then she holds her own helmet and tunnel monitors to Samuel Spratt, his art on

Sherry, the 2018. Cherie run number two where she's holding it out. It's framed perfectly. I like that you mirrored your favorite shot from the first one with the second one. Yeah, yeah, there's they're lit kind of the same to they're, they're lit similarly. But it's just what's the best way to explain it. It's like they're holding the weight of their character and the weight of their nation in a helmet. Like I'd say there's something very poetic about that, I think is really

incredible. And obviously, you imagine any comic book cover? I think that's pretty cool, too. So yeah, that's, that's it for me. Because that's like, that's the catalyst catapult moment to her becoming the Black Panther like her fully accepting, like, because she was running away from it. The whole movie. She's finally accepting it. I think that's the motive that I mean, just just today. She looks cool as hell and that suit. Like it just it just fits her very well. You know what I mean?

Like, she just looks, she looks great. Yeah. And that scene, she looks right. Yep. Which brings me to my final. And usually I

think we we've ended on this last time. Your who is your favorite character in this entire movie? Who? I feel like we're gonna have the same one. I'm gonna say no more. I'm gonna also say. So it's just again, it's like Civil War to challenge. He's just so cool, man. He's just a cool cat. He shouldn't be he shouldn't be guys wearing green spandex and has wings on his feet. But I think it's the connection to too old to the mind culture. The mind culture is what makes it I think x is

simply it was what it is. It's such a smart decision. And I know Brian Kugler talked about it before that this was almost always the plan. I think he talked about it like he was like, when they were going down I guess they got some big lists that Marvel Studios and they were going down all the villains and he was just like, I want name or like nobody you guys can have whatever you want. I just I need name wars the only one that

I need. And I think he I think he might have always known that he was I think he told Chadwick like you since you guys were such this big piece for black culture and African culture. We're gonna get mine culture now and give give people Spanish descent that same feeling that they got it. I know a lot of people of Spanish descent are very happy of what

became of this. So just the cultural implications just how we found Black Panther one I think we felt with Neymar in this movie, and just adding on top of that 10 notch were to like I said, I just watched it because I saw so many interviews and I know he was I believe he was in a season of Narcos before like, but I didn't. I didn't like he this guy can act and act in my opinion. I think these guys are pretty solid act right? I think also he's gonna start being in a bunch of stuff. I

think this is kind of cool. Much of what these these movies and these shows do. Yeah. It's he's like you said at the end of the day, he's just so cool. Like, characters should not be that cool. Yeah. And yeah, he immediately volts to the top of whatever your your MCU antagonists rankings are. He's right up there with with Thanos and killmonger old Tron and Loki and that whole group? He's immediately in there. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they're gonna

make it more complex. It's going to be treated as a Scarlet Witch thing. I think. I think they know they have a hit on their hand. And like I said, I think whatever this MCU amalgamates to after Secret Wars, I do think they're gonna build to a version of the Illuminati. And I do think that's like, I can feel that like larger string puller on that list. And I do hope also shares on that. I hope they keep that like that hatred that they have for each other. Like, I hope it never wavers. Yeah, man.

What a what a film. Yeah. And I guess we can talk about we

talked about Chadwick in the beginning. And we already talked about the beginning. So the end of this movie, amen. Yeah, you can hear people crying in the theater. Like it truthfully, it was one of the most one of the saddest moments I've ever had been sitting in a theater for. And again, they just didn't know sound. They just had a had a sizzle reel of to challah just didn't. Chadwick Boseman is just

it was a beautiful choice. And again, so the big one of the big threads was burning your funeral or garb, to you know, have to make sure somebody passes on for yourself. And sure, he finally does it. She goes to Haiti where we're in the key is, so she's

burning her funeral garb. She's seeing these visions of to challenge her head, she finally puts him to rest, much like the theater does and all of us do, and then lift me up by Rihanna plays, she did an incredible job the the score for this movie was awesome, but also watching Black Panther one fashion Black Panther two, instead of Kendrick Lamar was Rihanna this time. And the soundtrack for this movie was also incredible. Specifically, the song when they were going into talocan was

really great. And then there's a bunch of other songs like after to challah dies the song right there, the song where she's starting her ascension to become the Black Panther. Like all those were really incredible. You can feel the emotional weight behind all of them, but then we get to the mid credit

scene. And then she's sitting there she's crying, but she's smiling because she finally gets to celebrate her brother and the key is holding this little boy's hand and they they walk up and she's just like can we join you now? And they sit down to do what are you doing? Oh, no, no. Nope. So they come in they sit down and this little boy is there and what is the key is just like this is she says this is your this is your and this is your auntie and trees like Excuse me.

And because earlier in the movie remonda said I there's something I have to tell you about your brother that you don't know before name or pulls up on them. But she says this is my name is Tucson and Tucson if you guys don't know is a I think he's Haitian leader and he was one of the only successful revolts to get Haiti its independence from Great Britain I believe. So she's like, signs is a very powerful name. And then the kid says to sound smart, only my Haitian name. And then she says

the famous words una Bonnie. Who are you? And then Nan, my suit my name is Prince Charles slinging King to challenge I was like, what what are we doing to my emotions? Man? What do we what do we do amazing. It is amazing. And for all you people that wanted to challah recast, shut up, because now you have you have a you have a catch 22 And it's the best quick catch 22 Of all the catch 22 is in my opinion, I agree. I think again, the way they handled all this Achala and Chadwick stuff was

just so perfectly done. Yep. You got to explain why Nikhil was in there because they knew that he was going to pass away and again, it plays off of what his father told him. A man should prepare his family for his death and they're not upset about it anymore. They they've accepted it and he's essentially until he's ready like he's going to be he's just going to be a kid for now. I do think mate hope maybe, and if he never becomes black panther in the future, because

who cares? Because like we said, there's, we love these movies, but still there's, there's bigger things and this is one of those bigger things of if you never stepped foot in that black panther shoot doesn't matter it it's this idea that was presented in Black Panther one It's this idea of legacy and that not only the legacy that these movies have for each other, but the legacy that Chadwick Boseman. imposed on the entire world. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. It was perfectly

executed perfectly done. Again, the great words a home lender, it was perfect. Last minute detail. I don't know how I feel about using a homeland or analog in the Black Panther movie, but I'll let it slide. Man. Yeah, that's, that's that's the that's the stuff right? There forever extra counter

forever. You know, rethinking about it, there's, I think I can agree maybe in the second half, there is a couple there, I do have a couple of issues with the, it's the idea of the introduction of reweigh versus rerate, versus actually having her because dominant, like I said, Dominique Doran is great, she's seamless with this cache, she kind of takes Sherry's place, if that makes sense. Yeah, in terms of like the plucky teenage college age kid that comes in, and that's super

smart. And I think she's gonna thrive in her own show, I think it's gonna be really cool. But again, some of the Ross in Val stuff mixed with that it's like, you take away from the cultural impact, which I think you could have spent with talocan. And then I think maybe you could have had a little bit more contention in that point with

name Orangetheory. But I like how it's like, it's an offer, it's an offer, you can't refuse in the great words of the godfather to start and then a more, it's like, cool, I asked you and you just, you didn't want to do it. This isn't my fault anymore. So maybe that just a little bit of a pacing issue maybe in the beginning in the second act, but I can't say a lot of bad things about I can't I can't dis is just an example of a filmmaker doing the right making the right decisions

with a grand team. And again, you just having the wherewithal to make a great narrative and really memorialize an icon and the acting community in the in the filmmaking community, just around again, impossible circumstances. I mean, this movie, by all intents and purposes, should have been impossible, and they pulled it off and just an incredible way. And I couldn't be more happy with with it. Yeah, man. So we leave that behind me. Amen. Full steam ahead. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking forward to

that movie. Me too. Jonathan majors was in three trailers for I was watching some, you know, row movie reviews and the devotion reviews have started to come in. And one of the reviews and made a great point that Jonathan truthfully, Jonathan majors is hit as much as Sheree went on in like an in universe ascension. We're literally watching a star being just Yes, exploding in front of our eyes. I think this is going to be truthfully incredible year for

Jonathan majors. Obviously, having devotion with Glen Powell at the end of 2022. And then going into creed. At the beginning, I think we say within a month of each other he's playing, he's playing in create and he's going to be Kang the Conqueror. I think this man has an incredible future ahead of him. I think this is a this is a talent that should not be wasted or done wrong by Hollywood. I think they have a they have a leading man of color, which is important for the future. So I

hope they do him right. And they do him justice and not just put him in cheesy roles. I hope he takes a couple indies with him. Being a friend, we're talking about Lovecraft country, and how dynamic his performance was in Lovecraft country and how complex it was to definitely a show we can check out you know what we missed out? We should have done Lovecraft country for Halloween. I think that would have been a cool Halloween episode. I will say that in the

bank for next year. But yeah, I'm looking forward to what Jonathan majors is about to

bring. That's what I think Phase Five is about is we're going to see we're going to see the ascent of a great and we're also going to see, I think we're gonna get the MCU back on track for all you phase four haters. I think we're gonna get back into the MCU proper. I think I agree with that. Definitely. And can't wait to can't wait. What have you been up to? So I finally started. Bill haters, HBO Max

series, Barry. And I think it's nothing short of incredible I think that show, deservedly has, you know, been in the mix of the TED lassos and the successions of the Emmys over the last couple of years? His performance is so it's what's the best way to put it. It's frustrating. It's frustrating and a great way it's, it's, it's endearing, which is kind of an oxymoron for the thing that he does, because if you know about the show,

essentially, he's a hitman. And he needs to take out somebody in an acting class and he goes to the acting class and essentially falls in love with acting and he wants that to be his new passion. And Henry Winkler is on the show, giving an incredibly funny and mundane however, energetic performance. I just think this show is it's extremely well written. It's funny that all these SNL guys like what do you take away all this stuff that SNL probably puts on their plates?

I mean, I am talking specifically about Bill Hader and Jason Sudeikis. Once they are able to cook essentially, they they're creating some incredible things. So the shows, the action sequences are pretty pretty well.