¶ The Problem With Perfect
Hey friends , welcome to the Problem with Perfect . What is the problem with perfect ? It's the myth that if we just do more , be more and have more , our lives will be perfect . I'm Robin May , a journalist , wife , mother and , most days , a faith-filled Christian .
And I'm Denise Bickel , a clinical therapist , educator , mom Mimi and spirit-filled follower . As recovering perfectionists , we promise to be transparent and real and to share the wisdom of trusted advisors and guests .
So pull up a chair and have a seat . There's always a place for you at our table , our table . Welcome back to another episode of the Problem with Perfect . Hello Denise , Hello Robin , how are you Well ? I'm well . Wait a minute . Is that a little glow I'm detecting .
A little sunshine . Yes , it is . Yeah , I spent a little time visiting matthew and coronado beach in san diego and , gosh , that island is like an entire botanic garden . I just walked and looked and it was only really sunny one day , but that's okay , because I'm going back again this week . Oh you poor thing .
Oh well , this time it's to keep his dog while he's out of town . But yeah , I'll be there for another five days , so hopefully a little sunnier this time .
Well , I am so glad for you , so glad that you got to get away from a week , from everything for a week , and I was going to say get away from me for a week is what I was thinking .
I was not thinking that . But yes , yeah , yeah , yeah . And what have you been up to ? Oh , my goodness .
Well , somehow we made it through without you last week . You did .
I listened to it today . I am so excited to ask her to come back and I've already referred , I've told people you need to listen tomorrow because it comes out tomorrow and this is really valuable information and she needs to come back so we can extend her knowledge to the older generation .
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down . Yes , that's right , yes . For people who didn't listen or haven't got to listen Sarah Miller , a doctor of physical therapy , was our guest last week and talked about all things pelvic floor health , which it turns out there's a lot of things . Pelvic floor health .
There , sure is , and I didn't need you know , really like I don't know how long that term has been going around , but it doesn't seem like maybe five years . I don't ever . I didn't grow up hearing about pelvic floor therapy . No , no , no , no . I don't think I'm in the minority by any means .
No , I agree . I agree . I'm not sure about the evolution of it , but I was just so excited for her to say for so many conditions pelvic floor therapy is the gold standard now .
So everybody should know about pelvic floor therapy if it's the gold standard that she said before surgical procedures , even before pharmaceuticals , which you mentioned . You agreed , even though you know that's near and dear to your heart . But I just think there's so many things that we can do before we just have to jump into surgery and you've .
You've been through a lot , and so it's so wonderful to hear that you're feeling better and you're doing better , and , and if that's what it took , then amen .
Amen . So it was a great episode , but I think we have another great episode today , do you ?
Well , you know , this time of year is just always filled with so many exciting things . You've got baby showers and wedding showers and all kinds of milestones .
And you know , graduation is this time of year and it's everywhere Preschool , grade school , middle school , high school and even colleges are graduating their students right now , and it seems as though , no matter where someone is in their academic career , there's a commencement speech being delivered to recognize and honor their achievements .
¶ Evaluation of Commencement Speech Criteria
So , if you haven't guessed it by now , today we're going to talk about commencement speeches .
Specifically , we're going to talk about one that you probably heard about unless , of course , you have been on a deserted island or your internet's been out for 10 days or two weeks but we're going to talk about Harrison Butker's speech that he delivered at the Benedictine College in Atchison , kansas , on May 11th .
And if you aren't a diehard Kansas City Chiefs fan , well you should be , but that's okay , we are , and so you might be wondering who is Harrison Butker and what does being a place kicker on an NFL football team have to do with graduating from college and giving a commencement speech ? And if you're thinking that , wondering that , we're glad you asked Exactly .
And , truth be told , there is a little correlation between being an NFL star and a college graduation speech graduation speech . But , that said , many commencement speakers are individuals who've achieved success in myriad walks of life , including Harrison Butker being one .
You know , we've watched some YouTube videos this past week in preparation for this episode , and you know you see Tom Hanks talking to groups or Kylie Kelsey giving a commencement speech , and so some were funny and some were poignant , and even the one I was most interested in was a man who is a billionaire who gifted the graduates of UMass , dartmouth , $1,000 each
, with instructions that they could keep 500 of it for themselves , and then they needed to give 500 to someone in need . And I thought now there's a commencement speech that graduates will always remember .
Absolutely , man . You and I are just sad that we weren't in that graduating class . Exactly , Exactly .
I have sat through a fair number of commencement speeches and I remember the last one was my doctorate and the woman who spoke was the head of the USDA Agricultural Department . Yeah , sounds riveting . Oh it was . It was absolutely , and that is the only thing I remember about it , because it was just so bizarre .
It's like why in the world would this woman be speaking to us ? So it can happen .
Yeah Well , speaking of bizarre I think some people would use that word to describe the content of Harrison Butker's address In any measurement at all , you would have to say the content was extremely controversial for a number of reasons , and I think it's safe to say that his little speech probably offended nearly every person Like no one kind of went unscathed .
And I think , before we talk any further , it's really important for people to know that you and I have viewed the talk , the commencement speech , several times .
We've printed it out , we've assessed it , we've analyzed it , we've talked about it in great detail , and so I just think that that's really important , because I hope that everybody has had the time or would take the time to really dig in and know what was said and what wasn't said and in what context was everything said , because I do think that's important .
But anyway , in deciding to have this conversation which makes Denise very uncomfortable because she doesn't she was raised that you don't talk about politics or religion and we're going to maybe touch on both of those today Not really . Not really Because we don't really think that we want to get caught up in the . He said this and we don't like that .
We will touch a little bit about what was said , but really for us in this topic , we decided that it might be more meaningful to focus on what should a commitment speech include ? What is a good commencement speech ? And did he achieve that ? A good commencement speech ? And did he achieve that .
And I think that you and I decided that we can probably do this because both of you you and I have been college professors at one point in our lives . I actually taught speech , public speaking , so I really enjoyed the assignment that you gave me , the challenge that you gave me , that like , hey , let's take this framework .
So our framework is 10 suggestions for a successful commencement address , and this article really just helped us provide an interesting sort of guide and framework . Like , let's dig into what a good address should have . Let's see if his address met that .
That's right , yeah , and as professors we're used to grading people , so we took the 10 suggestions and we'll provide a little bit of an outline of what each one is , and then we again carefully reviewed the YouTube video of his speech , the printed version of his speech , and then assigned a grade for each of the 10 suggestions that are given in the article .
Yeah , yeah .
So I love that this was a good , unique idea about how we could really have a constructive conversation around this and maybe give people some different things to think about .
And also , before we move any further , I would just encourage people to give us grace , because we may say something that you don't agree with , but really the whole idea behind this is to kind of break it down and think about is there something that we can think about or learn as we bump up against this really difficult thing in our culture where it's so
divisive ?
I agree .
Okay , so the first thing that you should do , or the first suggestion I should say , for a successful commencement address .
And I say you should do because I have to tell you , a couple of years ago I did give a commencement address , yikes , and it was also to a Christian organization , and so that experience kind of informed some of what I'm going to say today , because they were different but similar . It was high school graduation , but Okay .
So the first thing , know your audience . Very , very important Always know your audience . So who was the audience ? As we've already said , benedictine College is a Catholic institution and he is a devout Catholic with extremely strong convictions about his faith .
Now , when you look at Benedictine College , 85% of the students do identify as Catholic , and I thought that was important to note because there's a lot of Christian schools where you don't ever know what percentage of them are there to play baseball or they're there because they want to attend an institution of their faith .
So , given his audience of graduates and the faculty and family and friends , social media and society's aversion to almost any topic , it's easy to understand why the content of his speech has been so controversial , controversial , yes , but do I think he knew his audience ?
I would say yes , he knew his audience well and I think it's important to note that he starts off the speech and not a lot of people if you haven't listened to it , you wouldn't know this .
He starts off and his most critical content is really about the Catholic Church , which media doesn't seem to care about that as much as they do some of the other things . Nonetheless , with all that I would give him , I would give him I'm going to say a , b on anointing his audience .
Really . Yeah , you're a hard grader . I would give him an . A Would you . Yeah , I did , Because when I read his speech , when I listened , he knew who he was talking to and he even says , towards the end of the speech , something about .
I know this isn't the type of fluff that you're used to hearing in a commencement speech , hearing in a commencement speech , but I felt like this was the place all the things you just said that warranted him being able to say those things .
Well , you know , what made me give him a B was this was at the very kind of end of it where he was like , okay , graduates , you should go and live in a place where you can find a parish with that does TLM yes , traditional Latin mass .
And he went off on a kind of a tangent about why a Latin mass was so important , and he even said it doesn't matter what the . He didn't say it didn't matter . I don't want to misrepresent .
What he said was that more things than just the cost of living should be taken into consideration when deciding where to live , and so to me that felt like he was just out of touch with like the struggles right now that graduates are facing , with interest rates being so high and the housing market being off the charts , and so to me that felt a little like
your chief's player makes a lot of money and maybe just a little disconnected from some of his Catholic audience . So that's why that's why I gave him a .
C . Well , we're close , though we both feel like that was a pretty good , pretty good awareness of his audience . The second suggestion was know what the commencement address is and is not about . So the article says that it's not about the speaker , but rather the graduates and their guests .
The message is intended to be uplifting and the primary focuses on the accomplishments of the graduates and the support they receive from their faculty , family and friends . So I doubt that he's listening , but just in case sorry Harrison , I'm going to have to give you an F in that category .
Okay , so I disagree with you on that , okay , yeah . So I felt like he knew what he wanted this commencement address to be about and , like my old speech teacher in me is like you always tell the audience up front what you want , what you're going to tell them . You tell them and then you tell them what you've told them .
And it took him a little bit longer than I would have liked , but eventually he basically talks . He says that it's going to . This is going to be about how to overcome the pervasiveness of disorder in our culture . So that's what the whole talk was about , although he went a little bit farther in .
So you kind of had to listen a second or a third or fourth time to find that . And then he goes and he talks about how we're going to help the chaos , we're going to improve the disorder by doing these things .
As Catholics I mean , this was only a talk given to Catholics , right Almost to the point where I was like hello , christians are Catholics too , and Catholics are Christians , and that's the thing too I think that people should recognize . This was a talk given to Catholics who have a foundation of like this is what we believe , and then built upon that .
So the whole talk was supposed to be about helping get over chaos , and he talks about how he thinks we can do that . That's where the part of the controversial part came in , and then it's just at the end .
I thought that was actually one of the best parts of his talk , where he says and you mentioned it I know that my message today had a little less fluff than is expected for those speeches , but I believe that this audience again , and this venue is the best place to speak openly and honestly about who we are and where we all want to go , which is heaven .
So I did think he did a good job of coming back to that . No-transcript Okay .
Yeah , so give him a gray . I see , okay , yeah , all right .
Next Number three . Oh , thank you , this one's easy .
I did not do that on purpose , but I did see . When the rotation came through I was like , oh , thank goodness Robin got this one , so go ahead .
So , uh , the suggestion is to avoid religion , race , creed , sexual orientation , political opinions , negative views of other professions . Wow well , I don't think that he got the memo on this suggestion . Think that he got the memo on this suggestion ? I think he did get the memo , I just don't . I think he chose to just do his own thing , right .
He chose to actually hit on every single one of those touchy topics yeah , plus a few more , plus a few more , right . And some of the other ones were the ones that , like , really hurt my soul a little bit , but it's not about my opinions , but anyway . So he did speak boldly about all these topics .
When I was pondering this question , I just thought , you know , he spoke really boldly about pretty much all these things , and he did so in a way that it was really like these are universal truths , and what left me was that , you know , really , I would have loved it if he would have just talked about what really , I think , I think are the , the two
universal truths which are that college graduates , we are to love God and we are to love each other . So I would have loved it a lot more if the talk , the speech , would have had more of that talk in it . So he gets a big fat F , do you disagree ?
Absolutely not . I agree completely , absolutely not . I agree completely . And I think you know when I I think there was something to offend everyone . I am not in any of those categories , if you will , but I've you know , my two nieces were born through IVF and they would not be here . My sister after 10 years of being married .
You know that that's the only way they could have children . And I have friends , dear dear friends , that I love , that are part of the LGBTQ community , and so it just it really didn't feel good that he really targeted different groups , so I would give him an F as well .
Yeah , yeah , no one went unscathed . Probably , like we said , there's equal opportunity for nearly everyone to potentially be offended . That's right .
That's right . So the next suggestion is don't dwell on the past or get too technical . Suggestion is don't dwell on the past or get too technical . So the guideline states quote a little bit of history can be helpful in illustrating a point . End quote .
And I think , harrison's criticism of everything you know politics , catholic clergy you said TLM , I said LBGTQ , the goals of womanhood I think all of those comments really exceeded a bit of history and really , unless you are really deep into the Catholic faith , I mean he went back to and you know I was raised Catholic , grew up Catholic he went back to like
before Vatican II . I mean you really have to know what those changes were in the church that he was talking about . And so my question is is there such a thing as an F minus ? Because I just felt like there was no little bit of history included . It was a lot of history .
Yeah , and recent history too . I mean to go along
¶ Challenges and Perspectives on Graduation Speeches
. What you said about the Catholic Church , I'll take your word for it , because I don't know , and I appreciate your adding that to the conversation but he did start off his talk , you know , basically saying to the graduates oh , you know , congratulations , you made it .
You know you didn't get to have a high school graduation because of COVID and I thought , oh , this is going to be really meaningful because it's true , like those , that that cohort missed out on some really important things , and so I expected him to go into that and how that must have experienced , must have felt , and how great it must feel to be on it .
But no , it went into , like the political aspect of COVID , and and then , you know , went to the president and so on .
So , however , I did want to say this about the very controversial part about womanhood , and I just I've talked to a lot of women about that part and I like having the quote like the real quote , like what was actually said , and so I would like to read it , if that's okay , sure , because I think it's worth , like what was really said .
He says , he says this , he said for the ladies present today congratulations on an amazing accomplishment . You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives . I want to speak directly to you briefly , because I think it is you , the women , who have had the most diabolical lies told to you , which you know .
He doesn't go on to say what those lies are , but I think to me it's the lie that you can have . It all is what I would say . I think to me it's the lie that you can have . It all is what I would say .
How many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you're going to get in your career ? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world , but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world .
That's what he said . And then later he talked about his wife and how important she was to him . He cried and he said that you know she did give up her career to be a homemaker and to that without , without her , he would not be successful . Their family would not be successful , because she's the one that makes it a home .
So with all of that , I've just been asking women that question Do you think the majority of women that that is their heart's desire to become a wife and a mother ? And I think for a lot of women I would say the majority of women that is still a life goal .
Mm-hmm . Yeah , I don't think it's exclusionary , though a lot of women I would say the majority of women that is still a life goal . Yeah , I don't think it's exclusionary , though . You can have it all . You have it all . I've had it all . I went to school for years and raised a family and worked . You did the same .
So I don't think it's diabolically opposed one to the other . I think it's just , you know , a progression . Usually , you know , we graduate , we have a career , we marry , we have children , sometimes we go back to work and sometimes we stay home , and those are both really valid , valued careers .
Exactly , yeah , and for me , just the important thing is that women should do whatever part of that makes them happy . That's right , and I hope that they can do whatever part of that that makes them happy , that's . The other thing is that so many women don't get a choice , right ?
You know , like my mom , I think , would have loved to be a homemaker , but she was a single mom . Yeah , does that resonate , denise ? Yes , it does .
Yeah , yes , okay , so what grade would you give him ?
low , probably I don't . Let's say a d , okay , okay I'll take that okay I do , but I also felt the need to to to just clarify what was really said there .
Yeah , no , I agree , it's important . You know a lot of people have said a lot of things about all of this and yet , as you've done , I've done , you know so . Did you actually watch the whole speech on YouTube ? Because there's in tonal inflections , you kind of hear his tone of voice , or you know ?
I downloaded it and printed form so that I can read it and spend some time . Have you done well ? No , you know so .
Yeah , yeah , we would encourage you to do that in its entirety . And yes , yeah , and that's the thing that , like on social media , everybody , you know , has an opinion , and that that was my comment was . I would just encourage you to study the thing in its entirety and make your own conclusions , that's right , I agree , all right , number five that's you .
This is me never attack the graduates for the past or present sins of their profession . So the article states that a commencement ceremony is a golden opportunity to assure the audience that the education was worth the time , effort and expenditure required to obtain it and that there is genuine hope for the future .
And that there is genuine hope for the future , I think that he ends with the hope is in heaven . The hope is that this is what we're striving for is to get to heaven . I love that he ended it with saying that Christ is king . I love that that was kind of a mic drop movement . Christ is King . I love that . That was kind of a mic drop movement .
I think that , personally , like that could have been more uplifting for the graduates again , for the graduates , for them to know that their hard work will pay off . And this is how you know you've learned to study , you learn to be disciplined , you know all this is going to lead to better things down the road .
And it was really more of a talk about how to be a better Catholic , like do better , be better , so that we can have less chaos . So I didn't necessarily I didn't necessarily find that uplifting . So for me personally , I would give that a D .
Yeah , I think , I think I would give that a D as well . Everything you said I agree with , so I'll move on to number six . I got the easier ones than you did . Balance the serious with the humorous . A quote from the article shared a gifted commencement speaker manages to strike a balance between gravity and levity .
Many of the speeches and this is very true that we watched on YouTube , you know , included humorous stories and anecdotes and even stories of failure and regret , resilience , self-deprecation , people .
You know we watched one that was Tom Hanks and it was like so you're probably wondering why I'm up here , you know and yeah , that's a fair thought you know , not many of them in that graduating class were probably gonna become actors , successful multimillionaire dollar actors , but nonetheless , in those that we watched , the audience was inspired and entertained and
again , even the guy that gave everybody a thousand bucks you know , it's like I want to know more about that , because he told in his speech that overnight a few years ago he lost a billion dollars . And I'm like , how did that happen ?
You know , that's kind of what I've always thought was , you know , kind of the goal of a commencement speech , and so I would have to say I would like Harrison Buckner to come to the office because we need to talk .
You need more information .
Well , not yet , but I saw no levity whatsoever and , just like you said just a few minutes ago , it wasn't about their accomplishments or their achievements or um , which is and maybe I'm wrong , but I think we're kind of on track here of what , what our original thought of what a commencement speech is .
yeah , I think successful one , yeah , the best . I think when we are we're truly moved , like we can laugh and cry . You know we can have those emotions together .
Yes , in the same talk there were for people that are counting there were three laughs One laugh , two chuckles , I would say Okay , one teary moment from Harrison Butker when he talked about his wife , and three ovations from the crowd . So I would I'll give him an incomplete How's that .
I need to know more about his failures , because it always just seems that he's been incredibly successful and I'm sure that's not the case . I'm sure he's had struggle .
I looked at , I looked him up and when he was in college he was I mean , he's been a successful athlete I think all of his life . He really golly . When he was in college he set all the . He holds the still the school record For most point scoring yeah , and who did I tell you oh ?
he georgia tech yeah , georgia tech , and he holds the still to this day the school record for scoring . He was the captain his senior year , um , so I think he's been successful , for you know and and that's good to know that I don't know some people were like what , what in the world , you know ? And it's like no , this is a successful person too .
It's just in a different area than maybe you're used to hearing from .
I would have really loved to hear more about that .
Yeah , me too what made him successful right .
I agree . Yeah . Yes , because I have to tell you like I have a little ritual . Because I have to tell you I have a little ritual . When I'm at a game and he gets ready to kick a field goal , I always stop and pray for him .
Okay , many , many prayers have been prayed for him just to do his best and for him to honor God in this moment and not get hurt because that's such a vulnerable position .
I don't think that I pray for him necessarily . I just always pray that we win . But what ? What does you know ? Just knowing the pressure , because so often his position is going to be determining a win or a loss and I can't imagine having that much pressure as you walk out on a field and kick a ball .
Yeah , yeah . Well , I think that for him . I think that that explains a lot Like the fact that he can handle that pressure , because I think , based on the speech , he really does answer to a higher calling , so he's probably less concerned about what people think than you and I are there , you go .
Probably .
Yes , all right . Suggestion number seven is don't overquote . So for me , as like a speech type teacher , our guideline encourages the use of , you know , a couple , one or two well-placed quotations to drive home a point . Any more sounds preachy . Other proof sources like you know , can you give good examples ? Can you tell a story to illustrate that ?
So I actually thought that he did a good job with varied proof sources . He had two quotes , one from a bishop , one from a saint . He paraphrased the Bible several times . He did give good examples and I thought he told some compelling narratives . So I would say that I'd give him an A minus to a B plus on having good proof sources .
Okay , hmm , I don't know . I think I think , because it's so his , his speech was so , unlike any other commencement speech I've ever heard , I have a . I'm having a hard time really finding the real value in . I'm not discouraging , I'm not being negative about what he said .
I think he knew what he was going to say and he knew his audience and he was firm in his conviction . What I don't think he knew was then that you know , half of the 80 billion people on the universe were going to start commenting about it .
Yeah , I wonder if he didn't think about that or he just didn't care , or didn't care yeah .
Yeah , yeah , and I'm the . I'm the one that's always like . I hope this doesn't offend . So you know that's my personality , so that may be . You know maybe why I'm I've've . This has been a challenging assignment for me .
Yeah , because right off from the front of the beginning , you know he says you know there are sorts of things we're told in polite society to not bring up . You know the difficult and the unpleasant things , but if we're going to be men and women for this time in history , we need to stop pretending that the church of nice is a winning proposition .
We must always speak and act in charity , but never mistake charity for cowardice . There you go ?
Yeah , I don't know . I guess I'll say a , c , just because you made some good points , I'll go with that . The next one is avoid miracle cure anecdotes . And , as you and I have both already said , you know , I feel like Harrison's speech was really heavy on the negative , with real no optimism for the future .
I know at the end he's talking about the future being heaven , but again , that isn't what he said in the beginning , you know , and he was just so negative towards everything . The president , covid , you know all the different . You know , covid , you know all the different .
You know LGBTQ and womanhood and all of those things , and I just felt like it was just really difficult for people to hear . I know that they said that there were three standing ovations . I did read that , but I also read that there were some people that didn't stand , you know , because it was difficult for them to hear and so .
But again , I don't think , you know , I don't think he cared if people found it difficult to hear , because he is a man of great conviction .
Right , yeah , Well , but he did as the suggestion would imply he did
¶ Reflections on Speech and Society
avoid . Miracle cure antidotes . Suggestion would imply he did avoid miracle cure , antidotes , whatever those are .
Yeah , no , he didn't say he didn't talk about any miracles , he didn't talk about saints and you know godly things , but I think I don't know . Again , benedictine College is a private liberal arts college .
Benedictine College is a private liberal arts college and they list theology and theological studies first in their description of academic degrees , because I looked that up , you know , and then you know his comments are in keeping with what , the Benedictine College being a private and a Catholic and a theology based college .
And so I'm like you , I or you took incomplete a couple of questions ago , and I think I would have to say incomplete on this one too , because I just I don't know , I don't have a good feel one way or the other .
Okay , Well , number nine the suggestion is to avoid money talk , and you know what . He did that , so I'm just going to give him a and say congratulations . You did great on that , harrison . Thank you yes he did .
He should get an a on that one for sure , yep , yeah , and then , um , lastly , keep it brief and keep it lively .
So , um , when I , when I looked up the article about again what's a successful speech , they recommend that the speech be five to ten minutes long and use under 2,500 words , and so , because you can look up everything , he spoke for 20 plus minutes and he used 3,679 words and I found that levity was undetectable .
So I will say , harrison , you should have read the syllabus . I think maybe there was some more direction there that could have been helpful .
Okay , but I will push back on this because I think every time I go somewhere to speak , people tell me how long they want me to speak for and I just do that Right . So I didn't think that . I thought 20 and it was right around 21 minutes , so I didn't think that was a terrible length of time . Sometimes it felt long .
Yes , I was just going to say that I was surprised it was only 20 minutes , but anyway , yeah he said a lot so well .
Our efforts to grade Harrison on his speech . I hope people don't seem that they were trying to be punitive or nitpicky , because that's not our intention , although if you use this article and these 10 suggestions as kind of a lens of defining a successful speech , then we would say that he missed the mark on what is deemed a successful commencement address .
But I would just like to end with a few thoughts about this speech and what it's kind of made me ponder internally and think about and make me consider . So , first of all is what is my theology ? And I asked that question because he basically theology is a fancy word for know what do you think is true about god ?
And so , listening to his speech , he is so again , absolute about what he thinks about god and what god calls him and everybody else to do . That it made me think what is my theology and why so ? What do I believe about god and why do I believe that ?
Like you know , I don't have any passion about , uh , tlm , the traditional latin mass yes but he does , and he explained why , right .
So I think that for me it's like just I need to be ready to articulate why I believe what I believe about God , my theology , and so I guess I would just ask listeners to ask themselves the same what is your theology , what do you believe to be true about God , and why ?
Because that's what's important is that you know , you're at peace with that , and I think Harrison Bunker whether we agree with him or not on all of the ins and outs he's very much at peace about his faith , about the Catholic faith , about what God's called him to do , about how God's purposed him .
Now , with this platform , that he feels like this is what he's supposed to say and do . So , secondly , I would say , am I willing to be as passionate with a very unpopular opinion about my faith as he is Harrison Buckner ? Is he's willing to defend the faith without the fear of being canceled ?
And that's a hard thing to do , I think , especially I don't know , it's hard for me to fathom that . So we can say whatever , we can give him whatever grade , but I do applaud him for being firm in his conviction and passionate about that .
So and I have also thought about this , like the whole cancel culture , and I've asked you this question why is it only very conservative , even let's just call it far right ? We're going to just say far right and far left why is it the far right that's only in fear of being canceled ? It's something that I wondered . Yeah , all right .
Two more thoughts about this . He is definitely being persecuted for what he said . Now there's a lot of people that have come to his defense . Some of them have really surprised me , like I love Whoopi Goldberg's comments about how you know it's free speech . That's right . She disagrees with like 99% of the things that he said .
I don't know I'm putting that word in my mouth . She did not say that , but just like she supported Colin Kaepernick , who took a knee and that was his way of using his freedom of speech that she would support Harrison Butker . So I really appreciated that , but it did remind me of that .
The Bible is clear that we will be persecuted and Harrison Butker basically says this you will be persecuted because this is counterculture , cultural , and the Bible's always been countercultural and following Jesus and sacrificing and let the last be first and the first be last , and that God will use the weak . You know , all of it is countercultural .
So I was just reminded that the Bible does say , well , we will be persecuted for our faith . And so to that degree it hurts my heart for him . Even though his theology looks different than mine , it does remind me that we will be called to suffer . And am I ready ? Am I prepared to do that ?
Well , and , I think , kind of in keeping with Whoopi Goldberg . I mean , we have the right to free speech and what bothers me so greatly is that people are just piling on people that probably haven't listened as many times as we have or read it as many times as we have , and it just feels like a feeding frenzy of negativity .
And why the nerve of this person to say that ?
And you know there are a lot of people that and I'll be honest , you know there are politicians , there are people in different walks of life that I don't agree with them strongly enough that if they come on the television I mute it because I don't want to hear what they have to say , but that's my choice and that's my right , and their right is to say
whatever they think , and I may agree or disagree , but just I feel I'm so sorry that our society has just gotten so bitter and ugly about just about everything . It isn't even just about highly controversial commencement speeches . It can be anything .
Like we said , people are offended by everything , and so the fact that this man has that kind of conviction which I don't , you know , you know how I have worried about this episode and what I was going to say or not say , or how do you say it .
And he spoke from his heart and he spoke with what he believes to be true , and so , okay , okay , that's okay . And so , okay , okay , that's okay . I may or may not agree with you , but he's not saying , well , if you don't agree with me , then you're a piece of crap .
No , no , so that part has really that has really bothered me , that we're just so negative towards people and that we can't give people grace .
Yeah , there's no room to disagree and there's no time to even investigate what is really said . We just want and we take for granted that what's spoon fed in little sound bites is actual truth , and really not willing to investigate if that is actually what was said or if it was misrepresented .
But you said it best earlier today you were talking about you're just so disappointed that we can't have polite society , and I said I think that's an oxymoron these days and so yeah , so I think that that's the big takeaway for you and I is that , whether we disagree or not , like we are at the heart .
We are all created in God's image , we are all God's people , we are brothers and sisters , and to treat people as if they don't matter and that like we just are always looking to pick a fight , that's what this feels like . We're just looking to pick a fight .
So yeah , yes , well , and I will say that , after spending an inordinate amount of time getting ready for this particular episode , already today , when there were things on social media , I thought I'm not reading that . I'm just not going to read it , because , whether it's positive or negative , or whether I agree with it or don't , it just needs to stop .
Yeah . That's my opinion yes , so we hope you will listen to this episode and then it can stop . How's that ?
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