Flip the Script: What if Dumbledore Died in the First Book?

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welcome back to the Potter discussion. This is episode 108 and on today's episode, we will be discussing what would happen if Dbledore died in just the first book, Lex.

hello? Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome back to the Potter discussion 1 0 8. So we are here and today we are talking about a very interesting situation. What would happen if Dbledore died in the philosopher stone and the. Very first book. How would the story play out? This is a flip the script. We haven't had one of these in a while.

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so the first question, I think. How would Dbledore die if he is going to die in the first book? I think it would be towards the end because he has to be established as a character if his death is going to mean anything. So who would kill him and why, how all those different things. And just personally, I think it would be coral.

So here is how. It would go down so the year would play out as it does. And at the very end, when Harry is in the Dungeons with squirrel and Voldemort and they're battling it out, I think Harry is going to do the same thing and coral's going to drive him. And then they're going to like do the whole, have a whole scuffle, but Voldemort is going to revive coral because Voldemort does not want to die.

And I wouldn't be. But I think Baltimore would somehow, you know, like take over coral's body, making it not Corazon. And then Voldemort's because of course we know that Voldemort could not touch Harry, but if he's in coral's body, it wouldn't be his pain that he's feeling. So that I think is what, what happened.

And Harry, you would still be, you know, kind of on the ground, he'd be passed out, but Dbledore would appear much sooner and they would have a battle Voltaren. Voldemort slash coral and Dbledore would have a duel. And I think quarreled slash Voldemort would win because it wasn't, it wouldn't be Voldemort spotted that he was killing.

So it wouldn't be a challenge for him to, for, for Voldemort to use all these difficult spells and stuff like that. And I think Donald would also be trying to, to protect Harry. So it's kind of a lose lose for,for dental during the winter and for Voldemort.Denzel can either save himself and Harry dies or save Harry and he dies and Voldemort will, even if you get killed, you'll just go out of Carl's body and escape.

And even if he doesn't toll, then he. So I think that is how Dbledore would die and it would really be a big shock for the castle because that is a huge deal for Dbledore to die. I mean, that is crazy. So I think that's how he will die. But now let's move on to some other interesting questions.

so the next thing I think we should talk about is Harry. So we only know Dbledore tells Harry a lot at himself about his past or his parents, or even about his future. But if Dbledore isn't there, who is going to tell him, we all know that Dbledore didn't tell anyone about Harry's true role in the whole, in whole Baltimore situation until Harry was much older.

And we don't,well, at least until you know, it was definitely past the first book. Of course he was making plans, but he wasn't telling people about how Harry had to die. So no one was gonna be able to tell him that. So I think one of the biggest takeaways from this and one of the biggest effects would be that Harry wouldn't know about his past.

He would be left in the dark for much, much longer than we see him. Because if double doesn't tell him, he's gonna have to find out. And we all know that. Of course he will go searching. He will go to Godrick Salo and he will do all these things. Cause that's it's envelopes. Death is only going to empower him more because he, if he, he doesn't know, so he wants to find out.

And if the Dbledore doesn't tell him, Harry wants to find out for himself. But I mean, he's not going to know for a very long time, because as you know, 13, 14 year old, I mean, he can compete in the goblet of fire, but he certainly can't leave the grounds by. So I think that will be a very challenging part of Harry's at least childhood before had double their dyes, because if he doesn't know who he is, he's never going to find out without someone else helping him, because he has to somehow discover what Dbledore would tell him on his own.

And that would be a big challenge. I mean, like a really big check. Does it was a challenge for Dbledore to find out, even though he was, he was a fully functioning adult.you know, but at the time of Harry's parents death, but Harry was one, Harry was one years old, barely born when it happened. So he's not gonna know anything.

And he's going to have to just put the pieces together and he's going to have to figure it out all on his own, which is, I mean, a very daunting task. And I would absolutely not hold it against him if he could not figure it out.

Yeah. And I think that is probably one of the biggest takeaways and effects that would come out of Dble doors, death in the first book, Harry would not know about his past.

another huge thing that could change about the castle when Dbledore died would be the castle. Hogwarts would definitely not work the same. I mean, it's not like, like passing times in the halls are different from like that. The dynamic would be completely different and all these different things that used to happen likely wouldn't for example, the school song, I hate to say.

But the school song. So I go and getting Tyrus school song is the, one of the parts that definitely not the teachers did not enjoy that. And they would definitely knock it, continue at school song, but that's just an example. Hogwarts would not function the same way. And in many cases, I think that it would be almost unhealthy for it.

Because Dbledore had a very specific way of running things and his way of running things was still used without Dbledore. I don't know how they would be able to survive, and I don't know how without Dbledore, they could support what they were doing without the whole challenge of figuring out, you know, running how to run a magical.

And besides the fact of the challenge of trying to figure out how to run a magical school is the success of actually doing it because one or two days off and one or two hours off, even, you know, waking up in the wrong side of the bed and not functioning properly for the day could be disastrous. We already saw, it only takes one, two hours for Sirius black to break into the castle.

And he is not an ill person, as we of course know, If everyone thinks he is and he breaks in what's going to happen, are they going to be, you know, oh no, let's kill him. You know, something like that, it's just the smallest little things could lead to horrible results. And Dbledore knew that and he put his absolute, most effort into keeping the castle safety and the people inside it safe and making it a good environment for learning.

But Dbledore. And Dbledore was the person who was the expert. Temblor was the person who knew how to run a castle and it was McGonigal or even Snape. They would have to learn pretty quick. And then if they didn't, the castle would likely go to ruin because it would be way too difficult to make it the school still function and even thrive under a different rule.

If Dbledore. Was not there. And I think it would be very, very difficult in the beginning. And if they could figure it out early on, I think that they could probably go back to something that was kind of semi-normal, that was semi what it used to be. But if they can't figure it out, at least, you know, in the first couple of weeks.

Okay. Hogwarts might not be looking too good. And it would become a hotspot for dark magic attacks and all these different things that they are bent on defending against. So like Harry, not knowing his past the castle wouldn't know it's headmaster

and speaking of serious black serious would be. Saying, I'm just saying it outright without Dbledore. Sirius black is a gone. Because there's no way he could get out without,well, first of all, Harry and her mind needs help, but also Dbledore telling Harry and Hermione to do that along with giving them enough time to get bugged beak and believing their story.

Just think how instrental Dbledore is and was in the,you know, in serious managing to escape. So let's just think without Dbledore Harry and her mother. I wouldn't go back in time, serious would be given the dementors kiss and that would be buck beak would also likely die. And that night would be completely different.

It would be losses on all accounts and steers would be caught. Buck beak would die and Draco would win and the ministry would do its job. And that I think is what happened on that night. And well, Serious. Getting caught is much more than just serious. Getting caught. Harry relies on serious for so much when they grow out what rather than when Harry grows up and when he needs guidance.

And when Harry needs someone to see someone who is like him in the magical world that will talk and Sirius is really the only person. Who Harry is family with because he,seriously has his Harry's godfather. And that really makes a connection between Harry and serious. And we really see that in the later books with is, especially in the fifth book when heroine Cirrus dies.

And the fourth book one series helps Harry in a trial wizard tournament. Harry really relies on Sears and CSB has one of his most club, one of his closest confidants and, and. And without him, Harry would likely struggle a ton. And without Dbledore, he has almost no mentors at Hogwarts or otherwise there's only maybe Mr.

and Mrs. Weasley that could help him after that point. And there's nothing he can do besides. Wait it out, just wait, Hogwarts out, wait the word out. Try to just recover from the damage that Voldemort would wreak on the castle. And I think that's it. Yeah. Sirius would be caught. And that is the. ,

and along those same lines, So Lubin was also kind of revealed on that night. And she was revealed as being a werewolf, not exactly a very good thing to be exposed as in the Wizarding world. And from that, I think looping would be an AskMen Lupin without Dbledore. Looping would be an ASCA banned from being a world because when Dbledore fired him for being world, because of course he had no other option.

She was kind of putting a protection on him saying he can't be at Hogwarts, but he certainly can't be anywhere else almost. And without that, without Lupin, maybe even not being hired, werewolves would not be in a very good situation because of course, brage, then it comes in and is making all these different laws about and around werewolves, making it very difficult for them to leave.

In addition to Dbledore, not even being there for Lupin brage would also be making it even more difficult for a loop and to live if with all of her laws and all of the different things that she had been in place. So Lubin being asking men might happen. And of course it wouldn't happen right away, but it would eventually come to pass because if let's say wearables, aren't thrown an ad and ask a band for the first couple years, that brage is kind of empowered and passing those lines.

Werewolves being in, in a situation where they have to register themselves as wearables is probably going to pass without Dble doors, standing behind all of these people who would be negatively affected by the laws, which would pass and for devil or to not be there. There is nothing that would be negative.

That would might come out of brage doing that kind of thing of brage, making those laws. And she would go right ahead and do it. And FID really encourage her without Dbledore. You know, at least from, from his perspective, Dbledore is whispering lies. Disease is trying to get into the minister of magic position position.

And without Dbledore there, fudge can properly be thinking about how werewolves are bad, where it was all bad and brage and fudge can work together to. This world that would make it so that Lupin could not live and he would be put in ASCA band.

Okay. So now we are really getting into the nitty gritty into the things that would really be bad. One of those things being the tri wizard tournament, the tri wizard tournament was a very difficult thing for Harry to complete. And without the help of people like moody without the influence of him, Harry would likely have not completed the task.

And I think without Dbledore, Harry would have died. I as a crazy freezy thought, but I don't know if hair could have survived in the trial was tournament without Dbledore because Dbledore didn't have a huge,you know, kind of impact in the, in the, in the actual tasks. But in the end, when he came back from the graveyard and moody, took him into his office, birdie crouch Jr.

Was going to pill. And without Dbledore, Harry would have died right there. So without the help of Dbledore, Harry would die. And let's just say for argent's sake that he didn't die in a task. That's still leaves that entire year open for opportunities for Harry to die for her to be seen. If I were to be somehow interacting with the darkness around him and be envelops in it, if that means death, if that means moody would win or bar to crouch, junior would win.

I think we, of course we would never know, but if Dbledore wasn't there to stop him, yes. Moody would have killed Harry. And there's no doubt about it that Harry would not have survived even the first, second or third, or maybe even fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh years. He would not have gotten through his life at Hogwarts without tble.

And Daimler was really kind of just there, you know, standing over Harry, watching his every move and making sure that no one could get. Because if they did, that would mean that Donald was plans were going to, would go completely off the rails. And he would have no way of getting the back on because of Harry, if his life was somehow in danger or if Harry's health, you know, if there's health was somehow, you know, somehow very much compromised, I think don't away.

Then everything in his power to get him back on track, not only for Harry's sake, but for everyone's sake, of course Novalog did care for Harry, which is a motivating factor, but Dbledore also cares for everyone for all the good people on the good side. And without Harry, the good side is pretty much done because we all know that Dbledore his plan and very end was to sacrifice Harry killing the very last horcrux and then bringing Harry back to life.

There are just so many different pieces of play and it would be very, very difficult for Harry to be somehow, otherwise, if Harry were to survive the fourth year without Dbledore suffice it to say, I would be impressed.

before we close out this episode, I want to just quickly go over one of the big things. One of the things that I think we've just kind of been talking about this entire episode about Voldemort and db Lauren, Harry. Harry and all of the good guys would have lost Voldemort to what I've won without Dumbledore.

And I want to just mention how, how much of an achievement that is for Dbledore because being the person. Almost carries your team over to the green and in a sport, in a game, in any kind of thing, that's a huge role. And if you do it over and over and over again, you become one of the best players on that team.

And that was what Dbledore was doing. He had all his different dominoes set up and he was about to push them all over. But in the first book, if he died, that stack would just be waiting there and no one would be there to put it. So what if he didn't, if all the things in the end, it did not work. If the dominoes didn't fall, Harry would likely have to fall in their place.

And even if he managed to do all the things Dbledore had wanted to do, I don't think Harry could have managed to do those with the same kind of intent and the same. Almost completion as Dbledore would  have, and as Dbledore did. So all in all, I don't think that the Harry and everyone else would have stood a chance up against Voldemort or without Dbledore there.

And if Dbledore died in the very first book, let's just leave it at Harry probably wouldn't have done very well in the future. And I think that's it. I think that's the. Very fun episode, a little bit shorter, but I absolutely not complaining. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day. It's very cold out now.

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