[SPEAKER_07]: It's political. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_07]: It's political. [SPEAKER_03]: You think it's the far way that you are. [SPEAKER_03]: The politics part. [SPEAKER_07]: Shotsmith, Pearson, Jody Hamilton. [SPEAKER_08]: you doing girl? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm well, how are you? [SPEAKER_08]: Um, relatively speaking, okay, things are not shut down for us at the bar.
[SPEAKER_08]: Even if Republicans have shut down the government because, well, they've got a tiny Johnson and that's just one of their problems. [SPEAKER_08]: Just saying, God, they just, oh, we'll, we'll, we'll have to discuss the issues that they are creating out there. [SPEAKER_08]: We will talk about that.
[SPEAKER_08]: We'll talk about Russ Vott, the obnoxious monstrous bastard, also known as the L. M. B. Yeah, [SPEAKER_08]: We've got some clean up on that military cosplay from yesterday and of course a lot more news. [SPEAKER_08]: We also have a couple of unusual guests coming in here today, not not the usual folks that we have. [SPEAKER_08]: Bob, by the way, is off today. [SPEAKER_08]: He got beamed to two other galaxy, check politics today. [SPEAKER_08]: Unexpected.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just found out at 630 this morning that that was going to happen. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, you know, that's that's fine. [SPEAKER_08]: Bob, fine. [SPEAKER_08]: Go hang with Mary. [SPEAKER_08]: Trump. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm kidding. [SPEAKER_08]: Hopefully, Mary will hang out here with us at the bar at some. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope so. [SPEAKER_08]: We do have pardon me. [SPEAKER_08]: We do have a couple of really good guests coming in today.
[SPEAKER_08]: Chris Candy and Dan Pastor, Dan, you may know Dan from virtually anything because he seems to have been involved in the writing and production and maybe acting occasionally in freaking everything. [SPEAKER_08]: And he knows, he knows people we know, like Franslow, which is like, are you freaking kidding me? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I went to grade school with them too. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know him for about 50 years.
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so he literally knows everybody because he knows you. [SPEAKER_08]: And so definitely, well, they are in to talk about the the new documentary It's coming out about Chris's dad, John Candy, who really great actor. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, what was your favorite John Candy film by the way? [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough, maybe plain strains. [SPEAKER_08]: Plane strains aren't. [SPEAKER_08]: It feels always good. [SPEAKER_08]: I love them in space balls. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Chris is playing barf in space balls too. [SPEAKER_08]: Yay. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: We have to ask him about that because, you know, and it's not just barf, it's barf following you. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_08]: will talk to them about that course big thanks by the way to all of our great radio affiliates whether you are listening to us on WCPT AMA 20 AM915 Minneapolis Saint Paul the detour talk in Tennessee or progressive voices radio worldwide wherever you want to be or
[SPEAKER_08]: Maybe you're one of those future people you're subscribed to the podcast or maybe you're one of those galaxy brain people who is listening live and you're subscribing to the podcast in which case congratulations you're smarter than a whole lot of people and Chris is playing part of the dining yes definitely but Chris is actually playing barf junior he's playing his dad's work I figured that he was playing barf junior.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean that's kind of you know I mean you know you don't leave the bar for there for that Yeah, this is a bar we know about barf [SPEAKER_08]: uh yeah, unfortunately in the parking lot as well. [SPEAKER_08]: So when we tell you to aim That's what we need. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's it off. [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[SPEAKER_08]: So the news of the day we got a good drink of the day today We're thrilled are for you We have to talk about that, but obviously of course we got to start out with the news of the day and the federal government is shut down Thanks for Republicans [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to lie about it. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to sugarcoat it. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to say that it's anything other than exactly what it is, which is this is caused by the Republicans.
[SPEAKER_08]: This is caused by the Republicans. [SPEAKER_08]: This is caused by the Republicans not willing to not cheat. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: And then there's the added effects of, yes, the Democrats want to make sure that they get the ACA back and they really optimally love to get back the stuff for Medicare and Medicaid, but the fact of the matter is, [SPEAKER_08]: This is about Republicans not wanting to not be able to cheat. [SPEAKER_08]: They want to be able to cheat.
[SPEAKER_08]: And they want to be able to hurt people. [SPEAKER_08]: And they want to be able to screw people over. [SPEAKER_08]: And a lot of this comes from Rustvot, who's a real SOB. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he is. [SPEAKER_08]: I cannot tell people how much I hate Rustvot. [SPEAKER_08]: And the funny thing is, is there are so many people who don't even know who Rustvot is. [SPEAKER_02]: And he's in such control of everything right now. [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_08]: he is the guy who writes the final stroke he is he's the guy who heads up the omb the office of management and budget as far as government goes there the ones that have the final stroke this is this is he's one of the big authors of project twenty twenty his idea was if you get to be the point the person who was at the end of the pen that signs every check or it has their finger on the button of sending all the money [SPEAKER_08]: then you can control the whole government.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's his idea. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: It's completely illegal and it keeps getting slapped down. [SPEAKER_08]: Do you saw what he did today, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah with New York and and uh... [SPEAKER_08]: So okay, the the whole thing with New York is absolutely ridiculous. [SPEAKER_08]: Did did you get the whole thing that happened with them yesterday? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're there. [SPEAKER_02]: He's stopping. [SPEAKER_02]: He's being allowed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe to stop eight billion dollars in aid basically to fix up infrastructure stuff, but he wasn't allowed to keep 187 million away from terrorism stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: So this is so literally that this is this is the whole stretch as far as how it went yesterday.
[SPEAKER_08]: So Tuesday morning, uh, Russ Vaughn directed DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, to cut 187 million to counter terrorism funds for New York and a few other places, but mostly New York and mostly New York City. [SPEAKER_08]: So if you're listening to New York City, just remember Republicans want you to be less safe in New York City, the only major U.S. [SPEAKER_08]: city that has ever had a major act of foreign terrorism just saying.
[SPEAKER_08]: other than Honolulu when I think that was before they were technically a state, but they were not a state yet. [SPEAKER_02]: They were a territory. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: So, that's that's what Republicans think of you, New York City, which you guys probably already know. [SPEAKER_08]: But Tuesday morning, Russ fought block to 187 million Tuesday midday, the attorney general of New York, Latisha James, sued the Trump regime.
[SPEAKER_08]: said, I don't freaking think so. [SPEAKER_08]: She immediately called several other AGs and they all piled on and you know, punched them in the face. [SPEAKER_08]: By late Tuesday, a federal judge blocked the Trump regime from cutting 187 million. [SPEAKER_08]: So then Wednesday morning in a big temper tantrum, Russ fought turns around and frees his 18 billion in New York City infrastructure funding, including the tunnel that goes to New Jersey. [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's some of the dumbest stuff I make any sense it's it's just like Why it first off New York pays more into the federal government than say Mississippi or Arkansas I mean I can go on your right so I mean I don't know what billions of dollars that they pay into the system every year But most likely they pay more than that into the federal coffers Right and so to me it's their money [SPEAKER_08]: Not only, well, I mean, there's an ethical thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: There's also the political thing. [SPEAKER_08]: You've got a New Jersey governor's race going on. [SPEAKER_08]: Now, Mikey Sheryl is up. [SPEAKER_08]: We've got a story on that in election land and the news on Tap today. [SPEAKER_08]: But Mikey Sheryl is up. [SPEAKER_08]: But Mikey Sheryl immediately jumped on this and said Republicans want to screw you with a tunnel, which, effectively, to many people, is the same thing as a bridge.
[SPEAKER_08]: And we all remember New Jersey and a bridge. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly how that didn't work out. [SPEAKER_08]: We're very well for Republicans. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's exactly, again, what they're doing. [SPEAKER_08]: And Vott says, I don't care. [SPEAKER_08]: I want to punch New York. [SPEAKER_08]: I want to punch New Yorkard. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: What is your problem, dude? [SPEAKER_08]: What didn't New York City ever do to you, Russ fought?
[SPEAKER_08]: Good God. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: I just, I look at it and I think, man, that is just one of the stupidest things and I don't understand the, the, the, the hatred. [SPEAKER_08]: By the way, all these troops that Trump wants to send out to places like Chicago and Portland and Memphis, they're supposed to go to Memphis, remember today talking about, oh, we're going to, we're going to put troops in the Memphis.
[SPEAKER_08]: The National Guard troops that are being sent around are being paid by the feds. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, my, my question again with the shutdown. [SPEAKER_02]: They're being paid by the feds. [SPEAKER_02]: What about [SPEAKER_08]: Well, uh, but here's the thing that those national archers are being paid by the feds, but because the shutdown, they don't get paid. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I think certain corners of ice do another corners don't, I wasn't able to quite get specific on that.
[SPEAKER_08]: But there's a lot of parts of the government that don't. [SPEAKER_08]: And even if ice themselves, even if a specific corner of ice, maybe it paid, they interact with all kinds of other people in DHS, and most of the people in DHS also are not getting paid. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, I mean, Bella is going, she's getting on a plane on Saturday. [SPEAKER_02]: And TSA has to show up to work and they're not getting paid. [SPEAKER_08]: Be really nice to the TSA.
[SPEAKER_08]: Really nice to the traveling this weekend. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not saying bribe them. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not saying bribe them. [SPEAKER_08]: But thank them and be nice and be like, I understand your bosses are A-holes and they're not paying you. [SPEAKER_08]: So be nice to them because their bosses, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Now Republicans, but that's the other thing. [SPEAKER_08]: Republicans in the House, Republicans have the Senate, Republicans have the White House.
[SPEAKER_08]: And let's be honest, your Republicans have the Supreme Court. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: The Supreme Court is not unbiased anymore, and let's not pretend it is. [SPEAKER_08]: So Republicans have all the power. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: The only thing that they have to do, if Republicans wanted to, they could change the rules, change the filibuster rules, because they have 53 members.
[SPEAKER_08]: So they could change the filibuster rules on the budget, and they could pass whatever they wanted today. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they could. [SPEAKER_02]: But they want the Democrats to do that. [SPEAKER_08]: They want the Democrats to punch themselves in the face. [SPEAKER_08]: And Democrats say, why should I make a deal with you when you're just going to well turn the deal. [SPEAKER_08]: F you. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm with Democrats on that.
[SPEAKER_08]: In fact, I've been one of the people screaming loudest about that. [SPEAKER_08]: Y'all know that here are because hell, that is the stupidest thing. [SPEAKER_08]: Any Democrat who wants to get reelected or elected, why would you do that? [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: And most maggot people that I have run into in the neighborhood or talk to, I don't know. [SPEAKER_08]: Thankfully, I live in a fairly blue area, but there are some. [SPEAKER_08]: And they don't get it either.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're like, I wouldn't make a deal with somebody I couldn't trust. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: So if you wouldn't make a deal, then why would you expect me to? [SPEAKER_08]: It just, it's, it's just so dumb. [SPEAKER_02]: It is, it is. [SPEAKER_02]: It's ridiculous and I feel bad for the essential people that are going, especially TSA. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's such a thankless job. [SPEAKER_02]: People get mad at them all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to be, they're trying to be safe for us. [SPEAKER_02]: That's their job. [SPEAKER_02]: And some of them are not the nicest people, but you know, [SPEAKER_02]: They have a job. [SPEAKER_08]: You've got TSA. [SPEAKER_08]: You've got a national weather service with the storms that are off the coast in East Coast and you got storms coming in on the west coast up in Washington, Seattle. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, they got to be there.
[SPEAKER_08]: You got members of the military. [SPEAKER_08]: They have to be there, but they're not getting paid either. [SPEAKER_08]: Thankfully, because of when the shutdown happened, their paychecks, most of them, got were either sent or were procedurally sent, processed yesterday, flipped, right, so that it flipped over, so that and they get paid in the first and the 15th. [SPEAKER_08]: So they've got about two weeks, roughly a week and a half, before that starts impinging on them.
[SPEAKER_08]: But it's still, it's like, you know, what are the people think you are? [SPEAKER_08]: So I, you know, and the whole thing about it is, Democrats are like, look, the first thing we have to do is, you have to agree not to cheat on the deal. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how they do. [SPEAKER_08]: And they want the ACA subsidies, because while the ACA subsidies, if we kept those, it would actually be politically bad for Democrats. [SPEAKER_08]: And Democrats have acknowledged this.
[SPEAKER_08]: Republicans are like, yeah, it'll be better for us, but we still want to hurt people, so FU. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry, that just... [SPEAKER_08]: People like that. [SPEAKER_08]: I can't stay in it. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to win the government. [SPEAKER_02]: Same. [SPEAKER_02]: It's the old adage.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when Reagan and I'm going to paraphrase said, what are the worst words you can hear is I'm from the government and it's like, well, then why do you join the government? [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: If you hate the government, that bad go do something else. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like saying, I don't believe in electricity, but I'm going to rewire your house.
[SPEAKER_08]: or I don't believe in electricity and just to prove how bad it is, I'm going to jam this fork in the wall. [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
[SPEAKER_08]: I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know why I try to hurt them, but you know you guys have seen films that are kind of funny that way that have have some slapstick humor John Candy used to be fantastic about that. [SPEAKER_08]: So we're gonna talk to a couple of guests who know all about that Chris Candy and Dan passed her nap talking about that new documentary John Candy. [SPEAKER_08]: I like me.
[SPEAKER_08]: So [SPEAKER_08]: we won't see that both here in the bar very soon look what you need to do get yourself a drink get it freshened up or freshen up the drink you have if you already have one take care of yourself make sure you're not thirsty and then come on back we got Chris candy and Dan passed her neck looks like they are knocking on the door here we'll get him into the bar and we'll get him with you hang on
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: Wednesday night, hope day here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: You got you, Jody Hamilton. [SPEAKER_08]: You got you me, Sean Smith Pierce. [SPEAKER_08]: And you got two guys that you guys have not met yet here in the bar, but you will you will. [SPEAKER_08]: Mr. Dan Pasternak has known Jody for about a billion years and he has been involved with damn near everything you've ever seen or heard.
[SPEAKER_08]: Seriously, he got a huge bio man. [SPEAKER_08]: It's fantastic. [SPEAKER_08]: We got to talk about how you know Fransaluk is winning in that and then his wonderful friend You know this name Chris candy. [SPEAKER_08]: He's done some acting.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's done some music He also happens to be the son of John candy, which I mean, you know everybody's favorite uncle everybody's favorite dad He's actually your dad and you guys are both here in part [SPEAKER_08]: to promote the new documentary, John Candy, I like me, which, you know, honestly, I love John Candy. [SPEAKER_08]: I gotta say it. [SPEAKER_08]: I can't wait to see it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was telling Chris, I was telling Dan and Jody here before you came in, and I've kind of, you know, I craft some of this stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: Jody crafts some of the stuff that we do for the, you know, the words on the site and the little slugs and everything. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, I want to get it right, because I mean, this is your dad.
[SPEAKER_08]: you know I mean it's like you know some people it's oh somebody famous and yes I mean like you know Judy's mom is you know Carol Brad but she's also Carol it's Judy's mom and I'm like this is it's Chris's dad so as opposed to you know just you know you don't want to go into somebody's house and introduce them and be like you know oh hey here's my dad and you go hey you SLB how you doing I just you want to have a little little bit more tact than that and I just and especially because
[SPEAKER_08]: all the great films, all the things that we all know him and love him for. [SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, I'm sure some of this is is covered in the movie, but I'm sure there's some other stuff that we didn't even know. [SPEAKER_01]: So, well, thank you for that awesome intro for the right shirt that was lovely. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a pleasure to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, Dan and I have been on the road for the last week promoting this movie with Ryan Reynolds. [SPEAKER_01]: We've had some great guests come in each night.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to be able to do this with my family because I feel like when you and Jodie might understand this too, there's the sense of the, [SPEAKER_01]: persona that the world knows of your, you know, my dad, your mom, and then there is also this essence of wanting to make sure that they fully understand who they are and you do that through kind of love and honesty and nuance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for someone like my father who gets kind of lumped into this world of fast living comedians who died young, it was important to us as a family to kind of say, well, there is a lot more to this than what you would assume. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the movie comes [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, next week on October 10th on prime. [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish it could go tomorrow night when you guys are at the Monto Bon here in LA, but can't go because I'm getting a bit one a.m. [SPEAKER_02]: on Friday. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll come on pulling all nighter. [SPEAKER_02]: Not this old age. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going right after fasting for young people. [SPEAKER_00]: So you really have no idea. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, look, you guys are doing events all over the US and I think are you doing something Canada as well?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there is one night in Toronto that's going to be, I believe, this Monday, but only one candidate, but we were fortunate because we were able to launch the movie at the Toronto International Film Festival back at the beginning of September, and that was just really, really. [SPEAKER_08]: Just kind of say go Blue Jays. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I dance from New York. [SPEAKER_02]: He lives in New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: No offense, Dan. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him raised in that way. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him to do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want him to do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I was pleased that we were able to do a date new jersey and what's coming up is the event tomorrow night at the Montelban then Chicago Toronto, Brooklyn and Boston, and tickets still available for for all of those with Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, where where do people go to get tickets? [SPEAKER_00]: John can be dot com, perfect. [SPEAKER_02]: That's an easy thing to remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we're we are on an already a station in Chicago. [SPEAKER_02]: So the hopefully you guys being on with us today will help. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go. [SPEAKER_02]: So great. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great day in the WC PT land. [SPEAKER_08]: Check out John candy.com and check out the event on the Chicago theater. [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, great, great venue.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, by the way, since Dan, you've known Jody for how long did you guys go like elementary school or you were in Aaron's class, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I was in Aaron's class in the starting of the fourth grade. [SPEAKER_00]: You were what? [SPEAKER_00]: One year ahead of us? [SPEAKER_00]: Two. [SPEAKER_00]: You were two years old. [SPEAKER_02]: So I was in sixth grade. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you were in, you were in Mindy Rickles class.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't Mindy Rickles class and Sasha Marks. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: See it helps to know people. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll tell you a quick anecdote. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is something that may be, you know, Chris will relate to as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I remember around that time when we were all going to school together, being at Jacopo's Pizza Rio. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Mr. Copo so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was there with my mom and my mom looks over and she'd never met your mom, but she sees you and your sisters and your mom all having pizza and she was like, oh my god, Cowburned is here having pizza with her kids and I said, well Elaine Pasternak is here having pizza with her son.
[SPEAKER_00]: right then we went over and of course your mom was just as warm and as wonderful as she always is and I think that was sort of a great learning moment actually for my mom who is very much a oh don't bother them you know they're you know they're having private time and it was like mom and the people you know and so I think growing up here in L.A. [SPEAKER_00]: gave me some you know some real insight into into what that experience is even though you know that wasn't my
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, especially at John Dye, I mean, I think that's the thing. [SPEAKER_08]: I think that people forget about famous people. [SPEAKER_08]: They, I mean, where does it seem, you know, radio, radio hosts, or whether you're a favorite famous author or people like, oh my god, and I'm like, they're just people. [SPEAKER_08]: They have some of the highs and some of the lows, like all of us do. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's so great about this documentary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no role in the making of the film, but I was the one who suggested to Ryan to go out and show it to real audiences and have these conversations about the making of it. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's such an intimate film and Chris and his mom and his sister and everybody involved with making the documentary do such a beautiful job that really [SPEAKER_00]: humanizing John Candy. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really profound. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so intimate. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: I think to that point like that was the main goal I think when we were originally beginning to do this and Colin came on board. [SPEAKER_01]: Colin Hanks is a director. [SPEAKER_01]: It was important that [SPEAKER_01]: that nuance was kind of handled when we were talking about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I keep saying that because it's just like, that was my main focus, I wanted to make sure that that was done, but Colin was always being able to be there saying, like, okay, but we're also going to celebrate him too. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole other side to this coin. [SPEAKER_01]: We could talk about the things that he grappled with his struggles, all of those things, but let's also enjoy the movies, let's enjoy it for four of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I've had a lot of people come to me now since it's been playing for theaters and they're experiencing a John Candy movie. [SPEAKER_01]: They're experiencing what it's like to be in one of those old 80s or early 90s, comedies when they're watching this. [SPEAKER_01]: So that is such a win in my book. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, I'm sure Colin Hanks understands where you come from too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was, you know, we were initially, [SPEAKER_01]: teamed up with Ryan to do this because Ryan had the desire to do the documentary. [SPEAKER_01]: We were fulfilling a need for it. [SPEAKER_01]: As a family, we had done a few things prior and any biography. [SPEAKER_01]: Back in the 90s, it seemed like there was all these TV movie-the-week-style documentary. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I like true Hollywood store, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we felt like we'd kind of gone through the process. [SPEAKER_01]: But there was an appetite for more and there was a desire for war more, but what with getting Ryan involved to then get Colin involved, Colin's done documentary, Colin's probably one of the most established self-knowing entertainers, I know who comes from celebrity family who's also been in the line light. [SPEAKER_01]: and he understood documentary in a way that was unbelievably important for this process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nice. [SPEAKER_01]: That's nice to hear. [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know he was a documentary documentary director. [SPEAKER_00]: So you did an incredible talk about tower records that I have fun documentary. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I should watch that because that's just I. That's old home week there tower records on sunset. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think virtually every old radio DJ and [SPEAKER_08]: considering I'm 30 some years and media most of it in radio, you know, every every one of us, you know, you know, you know, the tower records of iconic pictures that I mean everything about it is just, you know, it's one of those kind of things, but it's your dad is your dad is somebody who I, I also kind of relate to. [SPEAKER_08]: One of my closest friends in high school.
[SPEAKER_08]: big man like your dad, um, Cody was six, six, six, seven, and whenever we would do, uh, we did a lot of theater. [SPEAKER_08]: And so whenever we would, you know, mock up and we're, we're playing and we're like, you know, we're, we're making fun with space balls, whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: And of course, he always jumps into the John candy roll and just, you know, and, and, you know, love so.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and you're in the new space boss, yeah, well, there's there's there's that there's that fantastic moment Jody just mentioned you are gonna be in the new space balls to movie, which is am I Everybody's saying that's your [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I am, I have anything official because there's been such a funny, uh, I've experienced for the first time ever, A.I.I. [SPEAKER_01]: if I will fake news.
[SPEAKER_08]: So it's not confirmed yet, but in there are people including you who might say that you, you know, would like to be Mall Jr. [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that I know about the project and I'm really excited for the project and all of the things involved in it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'll say. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what I can definitely say is Rick Moranis is coming back. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And through making this documentary, we got to interview Mel Brooks, who is the most amazing human being and through that process. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, got to reconnect with him and, you know, so I knew that the movie was happening through all of those channels. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Josh Gad is part of the two and we worked on a movie last summer together. [SPEAKER_01]: So I've kind of been in the orbit of spaceballs too, but nothing official by any.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me give Mr. Brooks a call. [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, just, just be like, hey, mom, could you call, um, I'll be like, just, now, my dad did a show called Big City Comedy and I believe your mom was a part of it. [SPEAKER_01]: She, yeah, I think she guessed it on it a few times. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because we actually did reach out to her to try to do the documentary, but I don't think the schedule will wind up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you guys are probably shooting when she was doing Palm Royale or something, who's super, super busy. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, on there's other connections too. [SPEAKER_08]: For example, uh, we, we joked about this day, and but that you know, Frangel. [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, you were involved in a pilot for Frangel a back in 2006. [SPEAKER_00]: That is true. [SPEAKER_00]: That is true. [SPEAKER_00]: That is a good careful reading of my bio. [SPEAKER_08]: And we aim to please her.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one degree of separation from John Candy because the pilot, the Franchal Appilot, which was made for Fox, was directed by David Steinberg. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I know, and look, wasn't Franchal Wilson also involved in Second City Firemember Wright. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they both were, I believe Francis started in Chicago, Angela started in Detroit, if I'm not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to Detroit Shelton's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I think Angela was in the Detroit company with Kegan Michael Kee. [SPEAKER_02]: There he go. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But they had been in a showtime pilot that I produced and I fell in love with Francis and Angela. [SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, we were able to sell the Frangelo Pilot to Fox. [SPEAKER_00]: Sadly, did not go to series, but it was a, you know, it was a wonderful adventure.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love them. [SPEAKER_02]: I've known them now for almost 15 years, so I have to work on their interests. [SPEAKER_08]: I have, too. [SPEAKER_08]: They're great. [SPEAKER_08]: And the comedy that comes from a lot of those things, like second city. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I think a lot of people don't realize how big an influence it's second city. [SPEAKER_08]: They're all, you know, centering it live, and that's great.
[SPEAKER_08]: Centering it live has been around 50 years, whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: But second city TV, I mean, you have John Candy, you have Rick Moran. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, the list of people that came from SETV is just [SPEAKER_08]: off the chain. [SPEAKER_08]: And your dad was one of the most iconic people to me. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, when you think of second city, you think of John Candy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The fun part about this process has been going back and looking at all that CTV stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: When I was younger, I actually did not understand it at all. [SPEAKER_01]: Lay over my head. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I was a little kid, I was like, it's not even that funny. [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I was like six. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, but as I've gotten older, and then I went on my own comedy journey, and I would be watching Mr. Shove Bob and David, or, you know, reruns of Conan O'Brien on Comedy Central, and all of this stuff, I just saw the direct influence. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I would hear them talk about what we were influenced by, S-C-T-V, and early SNL, and my knife on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you start to patch work all the stuff and there's moments in the documentary specifically with Conan O'Brien where you just see the direct connection between the work that we're doing in a CTV and what is happening currently in comedy. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd have to give your listeners a little tip too. [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to really spice up your Christmas party this year, maybe it's the night for Christmas.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's a little dull, and you know, you're wanting to get like your uncle a little excited or piss someone off. [SPEAKER_01]: But on the SETB Christmas special, and that will, that'll put everyone in their place. [SPEAKER_08]: Because for those people who, for those people who don't know, you should just go look at us. [SPEAKER_08]: You will look at us. [SPEAKER_00]: I know that Ben Stiller watches it as an annual tradition with his family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now I want to go to his house for Christmas. [SPEAKER_08]: Can we hold you guys over for another round here at the bar? [SPEAKER_08]: Are you guys amenable to that? [SPEAKER_08]: You got time on your on your calendars? [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_08]: Excellent. [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, we have Chris Candy, son of John Candy, and actor and musician is on right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Dan Pastor and actor producer looked the list of things he's done this so long. [SPEAKER_08]: You would know all of them. [SPEAKER_08]: We will talk with both of these gentlemen a little bit more after the break by our piece of Bill. [SPEAKER_08]: So look, fresh and upbeat drink. [SPEAKER_08]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_08]: We're here at the politics bar in a Wednesday night hang on. [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wednesday nights here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: Hopefully you guys are hanging out and joining us and joining us taking a little bit of a break from some of the crazy politics out there and hanging out with Chris, candy, and then, Hesterdeck.
[SPEAKER_08]: yeah they're here for a movie they're here for fun as well and we know that you guys like to reach out to us and talk to us for all kinds of reasons not just political reasons so if you're looking to get hold of us on our social media you know where to go blue sky threads instagram facebook substak and twitter we're all there at the politics bar [SPEAKER_08]: All right, guys.
[SPEAKER_08]: We were just talking about one of the things about comedy was something I was thinking of as we were heading into the break. [SPEAKER_08]: Comedy's great and everybody loves it, but I, you know, knowing a little bit about your dad, Chris and about some of the things in the past and obviously Dan knowing your history. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you've done so many different things.
[SPEAKER_08]: One of the big things involved with with comedy with music with left-leaning political talk is the fact that [SPEAKER_08]: and nobody wants to pay for it, and it's very hard to do and yet the people who were involved in it, the passion that we all have, the passion that your dad had, Chris, in doing it is so evident. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's the dichotomy of some of the great highs of being able to do this stuff with your friends and then go and crap, I'm gonna pay the bills.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Sure. [SPEAKER_08]: And I think, I mean, do we see, I'm sure we see some of this in the documentary. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I think you have to look at the times at which, you know, they came up like his first improv team was Gille the Radner, you didn't let the art in short, you know, it's like you just don't get a damn accurate you just don't get that kind of right. [SPEAKER_01]: team normally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I always think about that or it's to when he started out. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that like when it comes to commerce and all of that stuff within our rights to art, I think it's best to hold onto your core values and your rights to like what you like about it. [SPEAKER_01]: Like what is it about the thing you're doing that you love?
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, [SPEAKER_01]: It's a super hard business to be a part of and get into it, but I also never really wanted to put a monetary value next to it. [SPEAKER_01]: So I do it for fun, but I have a bunch of friends that I still play music with and we still have that and I feel like that that creatively is still super pure. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you go off and do a, you know, work and commercial.
[SPEAKER_01]: see there you go you got to get paid somehow but but the difference is I have to say this so the difference is the balancing act of it all is you have to be really good to get that or commercially truly train you have to study you have to do all the things so yeah it's complicated I don't have all the answers but I do think all the best work that certainly I appreciate and I think have been [SPEAKER_00]: fortunate enough to be involved with was always created on cynically.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I had the great gift of being a part of the development in the production of a show called Portlandia, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: It has the SCTV definitely attached down for us. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And our showrunner Jonathan Chrysel always referred to it as an art project. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, also, Dan, I mean, you work with Kimmel at one point in time and I mean, I hired Jimmy for, you know, this is very first TV job.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: But what were you guys doing, by the way, I, you know, I saw them, I was like, wait a minute, you work with Kimmel on, but what was so the short version of a very long story was I met Jimmy again growing up here in LA, Jimmy was on the radio. [SPEAKER_00]: He was [SPEAKER_00]: And so he was doing some promotional event. [SPEAKER_00]: My mom was the manager of the Macy Store at the Beverly Center.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, do you know this guy, Jimmy, the sports guy from K Rock? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, listen to me all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: She goes, well, he's in my men store doing some kind of promotional thing. [SPEAKER_00]: We met. [SPEAKER_00]: We had lunch. [SPEAKER_00]: It was love at first sight. [SPEAKER_00]: He said, what do you do? [SPEAKER_00]: I said, I work in TV because I want to work in TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, great, for the first thing I can hire you for your hired. [SPEAKER_00]: I hired him for this terrible game show that we were developing when I worked for Fred Silverman. [SPEAKER_00]: A bunch of people came out for the this live presentation we did and the people at Buena Vista said, we don't like the show, but we like [SPEAKER_00]: him. [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to hire him for show that they were developing called wind bend signs, my remember that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jimmy didn't want to take the job because he said, I don't want to screw you in Fed over, you know, and I think Jimmy, this show's not going to sell. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how Jimmy got into television. [SPEAKER_02]: My next or neighbor writes for his show. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_02]: Who's that? [SPEAKER_02]: Eric, Immerman, this is name. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_08]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: But look, that's, to me, that is, that's the kind of thing that bleeds true. [SPEAKER_08]: You can tell with certain actors, you can tell with your dad, Chris, that that, there is a, there's a truth like with Jimmy saying, no, hey, I don't want to screw you guys. [SPEAKER_08]: I want to make sure that everybody comes along. [SPEAKER_08]: You want that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: To me, comedy, [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's not just me that says, I mean, good comedies about truth. [SPEAKER_08]: To me, also good political discussion is about truth. [SPEAKER_08]: It's about being honest about the way things are. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, this crap going on here in the US right now with the shutdown or whatever, I know that the media has said, oh, it's about the health care stuff, and it is somewhat.
[SPEAKER_08]: But it's really about the fact that the Democrats can't trust the Republicans not to screw them. [SPEAKER_08]: Like they did with the NPR and PBS.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's about trust, it's about, and I look at it and I say trust and truth are so important whether you're dealing in politics, whether you're dealing media, whether it's in music, whether it's in TV and movies, and some people just, they have that, they exude trust, no matter what else is going on in their lives, because you know that they give a damn about what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that in any type of [SPEAKER_01]: political service or performance, I think that especially our world nowadays is so desperate, just they're thriving for someone to be honest and responsible. [SPEAKER_01]: They just want someone to say, how great would it be if a politician just said, I think, up. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I made a huge mistake, like you're just even saying it, where it makes you feel relieved.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the same is that for entertainers, you know, comedians specifically, and end to my father to go back to him. [SPEAKER_01]: He carried that with him through his work. [SPEAKER_01]: And as we're working on the documentary, I was kind of waiting for there to be just, is there a misstep here, is there a discrepancy in there?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, authentically wanted to be as honest and right there as possible, signing too many autographs as he could be there for for people. [SPEAKER_01]: And so that is truth to art history. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think, yeah, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the world is desperate for that. [SPEAKER_01]: They're tired of the BS and and that's where I feel like our world is would like to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it be [SPEAKER_01]: what do we go there and keep getting in our own way? [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you. [SPEAKER_08]: But if you don't try, you don't get there. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's, you know, you gotta be, but it's just nice that to have people who
[SPEAKER_00]: who say you know what i may not be getting paid a jillion dollars i may not be you know but i'm going to do this and i'm going to do this because it's honest and it's true and and it's well i would say this to bring it back to the tour Ryan Reynolds wanted to keep the ticket prices low i think are all under a hundred dollars some well under a hundred dollars because the whole idea of this tour [SPEAKER_00]: because John Candy represented everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he spoke to everyone and the idea to have real audiences of real people come together in celebration of joy and togetherness and unity is just so desperately needed and that's what bringing people together for these screenings and these conversations have been all about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really been so gratifying and I've been so grateful to have Chris be a part of it and it's been [SPEAKER_00]: as you can tell is so real and grounded in warm and it's it's really been a blessing in my life. [SPEAKER_02]: He was raised right. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: By my therapist. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, it takes a village as they say.
[SPEAKER_08]: for some of us, me especially, it takes you know a lot more, you know, to add some mom, yeah, you know, you throw them all in there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm glad in some ways that we are as as a media community starting to do more of these kind of things of look back that at people like John Candy who some people have like oh yeah, I'm like no there's there's more to him there then some people might have realized and like everybody overlooks only the lonely which [SPEAKER_08]: I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. [SPEAKER_08]: I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: But only the lonely. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great time.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's so overlooked. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, come on, man. [SPEAKER_08]: Come on. [SPEAKER_00]: That's such a beautiful performance. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: That is actually probably the closest in regards to. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't really say in the DNA in the movie, but the closest I think it was a relationship to his family, his mother, his brother. [SPEAKER_01]: I think you get a sense of the guilt and the making sure everything's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Catholic guilt that my father speaks volumes in that movie. [SPEAKER_01]: And that also is a great touchstone of like his work in relationship with John Hughes, Chris Columbus. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was just a time when when [SPEAKER_01]: And that feels like we're talking about the Wilder, I think, then a couple of days ago, but it feels just like one of those old kind of Billy Wilder, meet cute kind of comedies and Balushi's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just one of the story, you know, an aura incredible rain, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But that, I mean, that's a great story like, and Balushi tells the best, but what happened was, is they put Marino here and like a small little, like, little trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: and my dad caught wind of that and he was in a giant trailer and he said oh well we'll just switch and when production found out that he was in a little double or the little whatever single you hit the honey wagon the honey wagon to us yeah he's in the honey wagon and then she's in the giant thing they said oh well no no we can't ever start in the little thing he said no no you guys told me you're saving money so which makes sure it all gets put on the screen
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, anyways, by the end of that day, they both had property. [SPEAKER_00]: So he suffered from corporate guilt, but he knew how to use. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: He's a no-slown kid. [SPEAKER_08]: You're dead stood up for your dead stood up for women. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, that's, that's the kind of thing I see. [SPEAKER_00]: The women on a CTV would not have been credited as writers if Chris's dad didn't advocate for them. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: See, Dan is right. [SPEAKER_08]: Please, where we have the bell here at the barge. [SPEAKER_08]: One of those things. [SPEAKER_08]: But that's the kind of thing, that's one of the reasons why I like the community of people that we have.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's one of the reasons why we totally feel, you know, totally uncomfortable having you guys hanging out in the bar with us because you are part of that community, even if this is only your first time hanging out in the bar, is because, I mean, that's the thing that we do.
[SPEAKER_08]: We, you know, we stand up for, for women, we stand up for racial minorities, we stand up for LGBTQ people, we stand up for all the people who are part of our community, because [SPEAKER_08]: And we know that by doing that, it makes everything we do, whether it's comedy or political talk or whatever, it makes it better. [SPEAKER_08]: It's, to me, it's logical. [SPEAKER_08]: I can't explain it to some of the folks on the Magaside.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I, it definitely, it makes sense to me. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but I will say to that point, like the trick with all of this, which we have to really be mindful of moving forward, is like we have to keep those lines of communication of people because, [SPEAKER_01]: The minute you cut them off, it's like, forget about it and so I think, yeah, I feel like love goes a far long way, but then to the point, does it fall on deaf ears, you know, someone's listening right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what you got to say? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: We are extremely glad that you guys are keeping working. [SPEAKER_00]: This tour is continuing through how long? [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so the last date is the one in Boston. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we're doing Brooklyn on October 8th and the following week will be in Boston. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the last date and some incredible incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: The prize guests coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So please come out. [SPEAKER_08]: yeah guys we want to find out more information the best thing you can do is go to john candy dot com and then whenever you get the possibility please see john candy i like me it's you guys a little i'm sure you're going to love it Chris candy and dad pastor nack visiting us here at the politics bar guys thank you so much thank you so much i mean it's a bar we hang with our friends here and we talk about
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you can't get out to see the movie in a theater with Ryan Reynolds who's hosting these with Chris and other guests. [SPEAKER_02]: And so it sounds great. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I wish I could go tomorrow night here now. [SPEAKER_08]: I'll be Chris Candy with Ryan Reynolds, my hosting and then they show the movie. [SPEAKER_08]: That's really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's a Q and I, I think, too, with the guests and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_08]: And you get the free news on tap. [SPEAKER_08]: Check it out at the politics bar.com. [SPEAKER_02]: Amen. [SPEAKER_08]: All right. [SPEAKER_08]: So why why are we calling it that the a thriller today? [SPEAKER_08]: What is the drink tied to today? [SPEAKER_08]: What is the drink today? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the drink today is the Manila Hotel Jewelip and because today is the anniversary of the infamous 1975 thriller and Manila boxing match between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was member when that happened. [SPEAKER_02]: I was eight years old and I remember when that happened. [SPEAKER_08]: I was a little younger to remember that, but obviously I have been like, oh yeah, you know, you look back and I mean, some people don't necessarily like boxing, but I prefer boxing to UFC. [SPEAKER_08]: I just I think UFC is just not that bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, being knocked around in the head obviously affected Muhammad Ali. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, right. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, God breast his soul. [SPEAKER_02]: I got to meet his daughter once. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, Laila? [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_08]: Nice. [SPEAKER_02]: She was really, really, really sweet. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I've really nice. [SPEAKER_08]: Very nice. [SPEAKER_08]: And I think she was doing, I think, a TV show here, like, I was... And sometimes I have a game show, or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was doing a stage man, being part of a stage managing crew that my brother hired me to do. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was on stage right, and she came on to my side of the stage to be led on for... It was an ESPN thing, or something. [SPEAKER_02]: It was the ESPN Awards, or something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: She could not run to Rousy also.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to meet her speaking of fighters and they were both like most humble humans and just so so nice and it was just not an honor to meet her because, you know, Muhammad Ali is so his Joe Frazier, but you know, icons when it comes to that sport. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, for for boxing, there is a few higher and for a lot of things, Mahamura Leadies, you know, a great about social justice as well. [SPEAKER_08]: He was, he was. [SPEAKER_08]: We know a lot of people here in the bar, like.
[SPEAKER_08]: So this drink, the Manila Hotel Jula. [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_08]: What are we gonna need for this drink, Jodi? [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, a silver jullip cup if you can find it or a rock glass or rocks glass is fine and chill them chill it A muddler now. [SPEAKER_02]: We've done muddling before if you've forgotten we have a link to how to get a muddler and how to muddle [SPEAKER_08]: Or if you're new here, that's fine. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, just go to the link.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it'll tell you what to do. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: We need some crushed ice, a half ounce of simple syrup, three mint sprigs, one and a half ounce. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, one and a half ounces of bourbon, or you can use Rye Whiskey.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's up to you there there there's some people that we're looking at it and it may want to be uh... sponsoring us here that have some really good verb and rye we'll have to talk about that soon i like bourbon on occasion i'm not a big bourbon drinker but i like it on occasion uh... a teaspoon of rum now the suggestion is you use a fragrant rum like a barbedo's or a demi [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, Demara, Demara. [SPEAKER_08]: There's a little bit more, I think, pregnant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I could see that. [SPEAKER_02]: I think, because it's just a teaspoon. [SPEAKER_08]: So I think it's more of a, a, a touch, but you know, when it's got a little, got a little bit of strength to it. [SPEAKER_08]: So it doesn't get washed out. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And for garnish, a chunk of pineapple, two cherries and the mint sprig. [SPEAKER_02]: And a straw. [SPEAKER_02]: They require a straw for this drink.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean, [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at it. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I suppose you probably wouldn't want to straw for that, because you don't want to pineapple hitting the face. [SPEAKER_02]: No, you know, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So this is how you make it. [SPEAKER_02]: You add the simple syrup and the three mint sprigs to the gelap cup or glass. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you muddle very gently so that all those flavors get into the cup and or glass.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you discard the mint sprigs from the cup or glass. [SPEAKER_02]: Then you pack the cup with the crushed ice. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_08]: That's a little bit different than usual, okay? [SPEAKER_02]: It is. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you pour in your choice of whiskey. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't stir it. [SPEAKER_02]: Then you dribble, not like a basketball, but you kind of just slowly dribble, like in baking when you dribble glaze or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Into the glass slowly to cover as much of the surface as possible. [SPEAKER_08]: And then you're kind of trying to sprinkle it across this. [SPEAKER_02]: So that you can smell it and also taste it a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: It's more of a smell, I think, that it requires. [SPEAKER_08]: That would make sense, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last thing is you garnish with your pineapple cherries and you're meant and enjoy. [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Don't let it knock you out. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't let it. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to TKO. [SPEAKER_02]: You definitely don't. [SPEAKER_08]: But I'll knock you out with that drink. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't want to have too many of those. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: If you missed any part of the drink of the day or any part of the show, you don't want to do subscribe at thepoliticsbar.com or on your favorite podcast player.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you, by the way, if you are listening live and doing the podcast thing, we're having more people commenting and saying, hey, that's a really cool thing. [SPEAKER_08]: It's like a DVR. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, that's that's the point. [SPEAKER_08]: That's why we do it. [SPEAKER_08]: That's why you guys don't miss out on anything. [SPEAKER_08]: Although quite frankly, you wouldn't be missing out on Much right now because the government is still shut down. [SPEAKER_08]: Last check.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think they're going to be opening for a while. [SPEAKER_08]: I think God was it Jared yesterday who said that he thinks that it's probably going to be a week because it sounds like they are discussing some things [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, some of our friends are still Allison Gill was out on blue sky last night. [SPEAKER_08]: And she said, hey corporate media, say it with me, your headline should be Republican Congress fails to fund government shut down imminent.
[SPEAKER_08]: Let me know if you need me help with this. [SPEAKER_08]: And Allison Gill is right because, you know, look, the media has been really bad about this. [SPEAKER_08]: Trying to say, well, Democrats, we've talked about this. [SPEAKER_08]: We've talked about this a whole bunch of times, y'all. [SPEAKER_08]: This happens to be one of those things where this is not the Democrats' fault. [SPEAKER_08]: The Democrats of the ones who are holding line and were extremely glad about this.
[SPEAKER_08]: But the Republican spin, there's nothing behind it. [SPEAKER_08]: Republicans have a house, they have the Senate, they have the White House, and if it would go to it, they have the Supreme Court. [SPEAKER_08]: And all that they have to do, if they really wanted to, if they were so gung-ho on getting the government funded, they could change the numbers in the Senate.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the New York minute they can vote on I mean the reason that both the Democrats and the Republicans don't want to technically get rid of the filibuster for everything I mean they already did it for judges they already did it for the Supreme Court but they don't want to do it for everyday bills because that shows especially Republicans don't want to go on because that shows what their intentions are if they don't need bipartisan support and there's a bill that they know is going to be
[SPEAKER_02]: potentially bad for their constituents. [SPEAKER_02]: They create if there's a filibuster. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: They use it as a way to hide things. [SPEAKER_08]: They use it as a way to say, I would have done it. [SPEAKER_08]: But Gali G, they just put my hand and tie it behind my back and you're like nobody's tied anything. [SPEAKER_08]: You put your own hand behind your back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have a problem with the filibuster as a general rule, but I have a problem with how it is done now. [SPEAKER_02]: like we've said before either do a Mr. Smith goes to Washington style, which is amazing, or like our friends in Frank and 41 style. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: One of those two is fine with me. [SPEAKER_02]: He's nicer about it than I am. [SPEAKER_02]: He said, as long as there's 41 senators on the floor at any given time, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they can, you know, tap out. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: I would be like, no, you [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: I might my personal feeling with with stuff like this with a shutdown. [SPEAKER_08]: I would like to see that every member of the house in Senate is required to stay on campus, meaning either in their office or literally in the Capitol building.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, as in the jay indefinitely, didn't the house geopigo on like a luxury vacation to Georgia or something right now was actually it's the Senate the Senate the Senate is doing a Little thing where they're doing like a little retreat. [SPEAKER_08]: I believe this next weekend or something But the house tiny Johnson has an even tiny Johnson told all his people not to even come back Until next week [SPEAKER_08]: And Democrats there there's a couple of pictures out there.
[SPEAKER_08]: I saw one in in the courier that was virtually every Democrat in the house was in the house yesterday and they got a picture of them standing. [SPEAKER_08]: They were trying to do trying to get something right and of course because Republicans aren't there. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they gathered in and gavled out the one GOP person went we're in.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wow, which they could have let Adelaide or Halveen by the way, but then that would have led in the ability to pass through the Epstein petition and put is there an expiration date on when that needs to be signed? [SPEAKER_08]: There's not an expiration date on. [SPEAKER_02]: So what's the point? [SPEAKER_08]: To put it off until the third Tuesday of never, that's tiny Johnson's thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: And as we keep seeing when, as more information keeps leaking out about this stuff, it's not necessarily the Donald Trump is the one that they have to worry about. [SPEAKER_08]: But that they seem to be worried about. [SPEAKER_08]: They're worried about a lot of the Republican donors. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: They're worried about people like Steve Bannon. [SPEAKER_08]: They're worried about people like Elon Musk because of their ties. [SPEAKER_08]: to Jeffrey Epstein.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's the people who were like, oh, this is gonna hang Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_08]: Now, this isn't gonna cause him that much trouble, but it all depends on what's in there. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, this is true, we don't necessarily know, but the fact is, is that for the most part, unless it would actually literally be like Donald with a bad picture of him and, you know, Donald doesn't give a damn about anybody else.
[SPEAKER_08]: We all know that he does not care about anybody but himself. [SPEAKER_08]: So the idea that, poof, we pull the cover off and suddenly it's not, it's not going to do that. [SPEAKER_08]: But it is going to harm because there are going to be some of those moments for a whole bunch of those rich people who knew Epstein, who knew it was going on and probably some of them took part.
[SPEAKER_08]: And that will, it's the thread that begins to unravel a lot of the money that backs the Republican efforts. [SPEAKER_08]: because suddenly if you've got big Republican donor ex over here, who is there's a picture and there's proof and then you've got big Republican donor over here and big Republican donor here.
[SPEAKER_08]: The money that those pill folks are spending on legal fees to keep their asses at a prison suddenly they're not spending to donate to Republicans in political campaign. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, any other thing, remember those two people that were redacted because of the sweetheart deal, the Epstein got in Florida, I want to know who these people are. [SPEAKER_08]: I do too. [SPEAKER_08]: I do too, but that's, and look, the victims, they deserve, they're never going to get true justice.
[SPEAKER_08]: True justice would be, you know, Epstein being around and having to be in person for the rest of his life. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: That's, you're never going to get true justice, but you want to measure of accountability. [SPEAKER_08]: and we can definitely help them get a measure of accountability.
[SPEAKER_08]: But for right now, Tiny Johnson is, you know, the Republicans are waving their tiny Johnson around, causing trouble, which usually happens when Republicans wave their Johnson around. [SPEAKER_08]: That's just how that works. [SPEAKER_08]: So now you guys see why I use that so much because it just, that nickname fits so well. [SPEAKER_08]: Also, if you've seen a picture of Johnson standing next to Thune, Thune looks like this really tall man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a tall man, Mike John, and it's the grinder stuff true. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what is going on? [SPEAKER_08]: We don't know about that. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll talk about more of that coming up is a Wednesday night. [SPEAKER_08]: You got your joney, you got your me. [SPEAKER_08]: We got more news on tap coming up as well. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, I got it right this time. [SPEAKER_08]: If you got to do your thing, look, we aim to please you aim to. [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_08]: There you go. [SPEAKER_08]: I get a ding. [SPEAKER_08]: Coming back. [SPEAKER_06]: Wednesday I hear the politics ball will be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: Hope no one's deny here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: I love doing that. [SPEAKER_08]: That's that's just I know it's Chris Sullivan's gig But you know, I can I can make a good copy.
[SPEAKER_08]: I can try I do voice works sometimes come on It's all good we aren't glad you guys are hanging out with us and again Thank you by the way for getting out to us on our socials blue sky Instagram threads Facebook Substack and Twitter. [SPEAKER_08]: I need another drink [SPEAKER_08]: It is the politics bar on a Wednesday night. [SPEAKER_08]: Acologue got out to us on Blue Sky by the way, and said can we all agree to just brand this as the Epstein shutdown? [SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_08]: Aqua law you get a you get a den on that's going to be the name of the show The F's Dean shut down.
[SPEAKER_08]: I like that one Donald Trump by the way Darrell says should be awarded the Noble Putz prize sort of the Nobel prize for his unmatched superiority in buffoonery and Disfunction which is very much exactly what he said yesterday Yeah, there with a military cosplay cleanup [SPEAKER_02]: talking about stairs talking about paper talking about a signature threatening cities threatening cities saying there's an enemy within it is it's in the White House you
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you exactly exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: By the way, that is we do have some notes on that in the news on tap today in a second round under military cosplay cleanup numerous defense officials basically Kind of leaked to journalists and and they said look. [SPEAKER_08]: This is ridiculous. [SPEAKER_08]: This could have been an email.
[SPEAKER_08]: Here's the thing [SPEAKER_08]: Kegbreath is Pete Kegbreath aka the secretary of defense because we don't call it calling it the secretary of war now right also if it is then we can call him a sound which if he wants to do that i mean that's fine whatever i mean it's an insult to pigs but i'm sorry it is an insult to pigs which he is one but anyway just not that kind but um this jackass as an answer plan to up in the troops access to access to file whistleblower complaints
[SPEAKER_08]: and report toxic leadership and discrimination. [SPEAKER_08]: He wants us to go back to the tail hooker. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: No, because he is accused rapist. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And he's like, oh, no. [SPEAKER_08]: I just, the flag officers, even some of the people that I know who worked down there are, and I obviously will not reveal anything more about it than I know them and they work there.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're basically keeping their heads down, even if they disagree with a lot of this. [SPEAKER_08]: And they all think the same thing, which is this two-shelpass. [SPEAKER_08]: These idiots will go. [SPEAKER_08]: They're doing their job as best they can and trying to get around and dodge the political BS. [SPEAKER_08]: They kind of keep track of who is a political hack and who is not.
[SPEAKER_08]: And if you're if you're in a room with a bunch of career people, and there are no political hacks in there, the environment is different than if there's political hacks.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's it's kind of like if if you've been in the military, if you're a veteran like I am and you, you know what I'm talking about, Officer comes in the room and you know, people straighten up a little bit more and they, you know, clean up their language a little bit and they, you know, talk a little bit better and yeah, because, you know, you don't want to deal with a mess. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's just basically their thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're like these idiots are going to be gone. [SPEAKER_08]: But they do think they're idiots. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, what was interesting was, I read an opinion about what happened yesterday, and the writer writes what I think is also true. [SPEAKER_02]: The silence from the audience, other than the civilian members of the DOD, because they're allowed to react. [SPEAKER_08]: This civilian members of the DOD, some of them did applaud and do the math and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: were silent, which is a good thing. [SPEAKER_08]: Right, the flag officers in general, generals, admirals, whatever, they all kept their hands to themselves, they didn't hoot, they didn't, because they all understand exactly what? [SPEAKER_08]: God, I heard you this morning on Steph's show, and that douchebag troll, oh my God, that guy. [SPEAKER_02]: because I was like, oh, no, no, that's not right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you sent me that and then all these other people started calling in, they're like, no, and then Malcolm said the same thing. [SPEAKER_08]: Chris will avoid this as for you. [SPEAKER_08]: He was great. [SPEAKER_02]: He was great. [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to kill him. [SPEAKER_08]: I knew the Malcolm, but that's just it.
[SPEAKER_08]: that's why that's also for you Chris just because of the fact look it is nice when you have people who are civilians who haven't been in the military who stood up and who echoed the same thing that Malcolm and I did on rules of engagement rules of engagement are not just yes the Geneva convention sets down rules of engagement but there are multiple kinds and types of rules of engagement rules of engagement are like the rules of any game there the rules of what's going on right now
[SPEAKER_08]: in on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. [SPEAKER_08]: The rules of what goes on in your state capitals, in your Commonwealth capitals, in your cities. [SPEAKER_08]: There are rules and there are norms, and there are laws, rules, and norms. [SPEAKER_08]: Those are the three levels.
[SPEAKER_08]: And look, if you want to be like these magic jerks and ignore the norms and ignore the rules and just say, well, the law doesn't specifically say, what you forget is that everybody else can play by that too. [SPEAKER_08]: If you just want to go by exactly what the letter of law is, no spirit of law, no intent, no rules, no norms, we all can play that way. [SPEAKER_08]: But that never ends well for any. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's, that's why the Geneva Convention's existed.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is why they are that way when we are in a hot war with somebody. [SPEAKER_02]: We know that our prisoners are going to be taken care of. [SPEAKER_02]: We know that our civilians are not going to be murdered. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's just certain things that we know based on that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and if you're somebody who's like, well, I'm only in it for myself, if even if you're in it and especially if you're in it for yourself, you abide by rules of engagement because when it's people that you care about when it's your civilians, when it's your family, when it's people that you know that they are still treated because and and once the opposition.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, part of the reason Israel is in such trouble as they are with Gaza is because they haven't followed proper rules. [SPEAKER_08]: And again, now look, Hamas has a followed proper rule. [SPEAKER_02]: No, they have not either. [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody knows that Hamas is terrorists. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Even the even the other Arab groups that support Hamas know that Hamas is terrorists. [SPEAKER_08]: They don't trust them either. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, there are benefits that you get when you follow rules of engagement, like with the DOJ, for example. [SPEAKER_08]: The reason that the Department of Justice in so many courtrooms is given so much leeway is because the Department of Justice has had a long tradition of following proper rules of engagement in the courtroom, proper rules of engagement, how the court battles go. [SPEAKER_08]: They are battles. [SPEAKER_08]: They're just battles with law books.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know how to write a motion properly. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know or a suit properly. [SPEAKER_02]: The little things like that or like when you filed these, you know, emotions against Komi. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when you filed the crime that crimes to come don't turn two different ones in. [SPEAKER_08]: This is my seat from this one and this, oh, I didn't realize I signed up for it. [SPEAKER_02]: And you signed both of them, but he was only, he was only indicted on two of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: So which one is the right one? [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, she does miss that. [SPEAKER_08]: That's the current acting, US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, Lindsey, Haligan. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, that's her name. [SPEAKER_08]: Remember, she's never tried a case. [SPEAKER_08]: No, so she's, which means she's never gone to court to put through the motions. [SPEAKER_08]: She's never done the paperwork.
[SPEAKER_08]: When she first started into the court, she was standing on the wrong table. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right, yeah, see what I'm sure she knows how to file a brief, but that was in law school. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, and also you can file a brief often times digitally these days, so you can just do it from your computer anywhere. [SPEAKER_08]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_08]: But when you appear in court, there are rules there. [SPEAKER_08]: Very nice achievement with the courts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just took a class called communications and legal settings. [SPEAKER_02]: And it had nothing to do with the law. [SPEAKER_02]: It had everything to do, at least in California, on how you act in court. [SPEAKER_08]: Right, how you behave? [SPEAKER_08]: I had, I think I was two classes short of a minor in pre-law. [SPEAKER_08]: I was one class short. [SPEAKER_08]: Five and a half years in college. [SPEAKER_08]: I took a lot of stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: Four minors, one major, whatever.
[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: I basically, I was a film minor. [SPEAKER_02]: My major was entertainment management. [SPEAKER_08]: I have this horrible thing about being honest. [SPEAKER_08]: Kind of like we were talking with Chris Candy and a pastor in your ear. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Because so my degrees in broadcast journalism, but I have minors in English history. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell if it's your right name. [SPEAKER_02]: The theater. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: English history, political science and theater. [SPEAKER_08]: So I am literally credentialed to look people in the eyes and light of them. [SPEAKER_08]: I just have this horrible thing that, you know, at least this floating hand that I've talked about, it's my mom's behind my head. [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you lie, don't you lie, don't you lie. [SPEAKER_08]: I'll slap you upside ahead. [SPEAKER_08]: right mom.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did it was years ago because my mom likes pictures of her children that are kind of up today, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And so I couldn't afford to hire somebody to photograph me when Christmas year was when he something years ago. [SPEAKER_02]: So I had a camera. [SPEAKER_02]: So this was pre-phones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I set up my camera in my dining room and I put lights and I you know took this basically [SPEAKER_02]: I made it black and white and it was a good photograph of me and so I even liked it and so I you know I gave it to her in a frame for Christmas because oh honey who took that and I could have said [SPEAKER_02]: So-and-so, or if that's- I did, because I was like, I can't, I can't.
[SPEAKER_08]: I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't,
[SPEAKER_08]: I know we didn't have time to get into that, but I can guarantee that Dan and Chris would have told us about that, that comedians have certain rules that they do, certain things. [SPEAKER_08]: For example, one of them, we all know. [SPEAKER_08]: The best comedy. [SPEAKER_08]: Don't punch down. [SPEAKER_02]: You always punch up. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: And be honest, because honesty is better in comedy.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you've got truth, the comedy is better. [SPEAKER_08]: These are some of the basic rules of engagement of comedy. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, if you're in a club, unless you really can do it, do not go after the people in the audience, the heck of a nurse, do not go after them. [SPEAKER_08]: If you are an expert at crowding engagement and fighting off hecklers, you can try it. [SPEAKER_08]: But if you're not, don't. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I saw Dana Carvee just.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Look for a few heckler. [SPEAKER_08]: If you're great at doing it, that's fine. [SPEAKER_08]: But these are the kinds of rules of engagement that are out there. [SPEAKER_08]: We have rules of engagement throughout our society. [SPEAKER_08]: So this jackass that called you on Steph show this morning at whatever oh god 30. [SPEAKER_08]: And just was, oh, oh, oh, this is what rules [SPEAKER_08]: That's for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, and then when Chris basically just asked him a yes or no question, I'm formulating my answer. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: I love that. [SPEAKER_08]: I love that. [SPEAKER_02]: But I was born. [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm glad I kept him on because Stephanie would have hung up probably a minute earlier, but it's more fun to just let them keep digging the hole.
[SPEAKER_08]: Randy used to love to have to do that, too, to have them just dig themselves a very nice deep hole and then drop them off. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I mean, she would have been amazing with this troll today. [SPEAKER_08]: She would have, she would have strung him out for about five minutes and then dropped because she's a veteran. [SPEAKER_02]: She knows. [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_08]: But that's part of the reason why I was so glad to see to hear Chris do that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was just like, I, I, I, I. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, the fact that Malcolm went there too, and Malcolm went there too, and it was the same thing, but it's great when you hear people that you know are, yes, Chris has muscles, but he's strong in his just his personality.
[SPEAKER_02]: his conviction was very he was very upset because this is my this is our show we're the hosts of this show first off so don't tell us to stop talking a yeah and he's right and then and then and then the Vietnam vet that called in he goes yeah you guys are right about this man it's it's it's nice because you get that atmosphere and then you know that people who are outside of the of staff show we're outside of the bar here tonight that that
[SPEAKER_08]: everybody knows that the majority of people are with us and that they understand the importance of rules of engagement and the importance of not being a douchebag like Russ Vaughn who you know well the law doesn't say so i'm going to try to fire these people and i'm going to try to go after the folks in New York and i'm going to try to screw them on their tunnel and he is breaking some laws i mean there's no doubt he's [SPEAKER_02]: He's breaking some laws.
[SPEAKER_08]: There's no question on that. [SPEAKER_08]: And there are a lot of people who have said that. [SPEAKER_08]: We've got some of the stuff on that that's in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_08]: But the fact that the matter is hell, my, my congressman, the guy who, the new guy, rep walk and show. [SPEAKER_08]: He actually wrote a piece and we have that that's in there that says what Roosevelt is doing is illegal because it is.
[SPEAKER_08]: But it's nice to have people stand up and stand with you and, you know, kind of fight the same battles that you're fighting. [SPEAKER_08]: It is nice to know that you're not alone in that. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm, you know, so I'm, like I said, you know, I just, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: Look at that to you, Mr. Lobo as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, he was definitely, he was great doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, now people are going to complain and I'm like, no, they're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody that's a true veteran is going to be like, you're right. [SPEAKER_02]: And even Malcolm reminded us that Donald pardoned war criminals. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, an insurrectionists.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so no, that's that's it was just really nice to have that and to be like, you know, when when you know you got good friends in your community to have your back So it's nice nice nice to see their other good people here at the bar that have our back on you know what to me is a pretty important thing because rules of engagement That is what we're talking about really with this shutdown [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, Republicans, they want to be able to welch on a bet.
[SPEAKER_08]: And one of the rules of engagement is you make a deal, you make a bet, you don't welch on it. [SPEAKER_08]: That's how it goes. [SPEAKER_08]: That's how it goes. [SPEAKER_08]: You don't be a cheating lion. [SPEAKER_08]: And Republicans are like, but I want to. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it sucks to be you. [SPEAKER_08]: There are a whole lot of things I want. [SPEAKER_08]: I ain't getting all them either. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't win the mega millions this week, so there's that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: It's nice. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, God, I would have loved that. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, something I do want to love, or something I do love, a break because we had to pay some bills and I'm going to get a drink when we do that. [SPEAKER_08]: So you guys should too. [SPEAKER_08]: We got last call coming up on Wednesday night with Jody and me and you here at the Politics Bar. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll give you something you want.
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[SPEAKER_08]: A little political news in the election land saying that today, Mikey Cheryl now leads Republican Jackson, early by eight points in the latest New Jersey governor's poll. [SPEAKER_08]: There are some polls that are coming out and you're going to start seeing a lot more of this here.
[SPEAKER_08]: where the Republicans are starting to flood the zone, both in the Virginia and New Jersey races with garbage poles and they're trying to say, oh, you know, the Democrats are not doing well, do not listen to them, do not listen to them, keep pushing. [SPEAKER_08]: Remember how we won in 2008 with Barack and Joe? [SPEAKER_08]: The way that we did it is always a assume that you can win, but that you're 10 points down in whatever the poll is. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, [SPEAKER_08]: pedal the floor, go like hell, do everything you can. [SPEAKER_08]: And then we'll win, because that's, you know, and that means call you friends, call you neighbors, make sure they're registered, make sure they go in the vote early if they can, make sure if they're gonna vote on the day of that they've got a voting plan. [SPEAKER_02]: And make sure they're, yeah, make sure you're registered as the most important thing, especially if you're in a red state.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and then you're a blue dot in the red state make sure you're there lots of other elections just the ones just the other the ones in Virginia and New Jersey. [SPEAKER_08]: Jody is right, which she often is which by the way, you can get your Jody is right t-shirt two different versions of that at the store at the politics bar dot count. [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of great gear there as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Glasses mugs shock glasses. [SPEAKER_02]: Flasks. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_08]: The Reds socks squeaked past the Yankees, the Cubs and Tigers also won, like I said, I haven't seen who's been playing this evening. [SPEAKER_08]: So we'll have to check that for tomorrow. [SPEAKER_08]: But WNBA news, so the Las Vegas Aces beat the Indiana fever in over time. [SPEAKER_08]: It was that was a good game if you saw any clips from that. [SPEAKER_08]: So it's going to be the Phoenix Mercury in Las Vegas Aces in the WNBA final.
[SPEAKER_08]: personally, and the folks in the AM-950 area know this, I firmly believe that it should have been the Minnesota Lynx. [SPEAKER_08]: I think the Lynx got jobed by the refs. [SPEAKER_08]: The officiating was absolutely horrible. [SPEAKER_08]: And the Fisa Collier, fantastic star. [SPEAKER_08]: She got injured and she actually took the commissioner Kathy Edwards. [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that. [SPEAKER_02]: That was like, [SPEAKER_08]: We got a clip of that in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I want people to see this because She just Yeah, and look there's another story right below it in the entertainment section of the news on tap Kathy is probably going to be out of a job because they've got to do their collective bargaining agreement They haven't finalized it yet and that will probably be one of their conditions
[SPEAKER_08]: Just like Democrats' condition with Republicans is you have to be honest, I would bet the players condition with the league is Kathy Engelberg has to be the hell out of there. [SPEAKER_08]: Because the refs this year in the WNBA have been, it has been a brawl, a wall to wall brawl, the whole time. [SPEAKER_08]: People do it, I mean, seriously, flagrant fouls that actually can hurt [SPEAKER_02]: for life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, this is they're not padded like football players and those guys get hurt for life. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I mean, they're not where me pads, but barely there is just there is no excuse to me for being a commissioner and not enforcing the rules like that because that these people. [SPEAKER_08]: professional athletes, I don't think they get paid as well. [SPEAKER_08]: First of all, WMF, they should not get paid as much as they should.
[SPEAKER_08]: But a lot of the athletes do get paid a ton of money. [SPEAKER_08]: I still don't think they should get paid the ridiculous sums, but I think they should get paid more than other people think. [SPEAKER_08]: And people say, why do you think that? [SPEAKER_08]: And I said, because they play their sport, excuse me, for four to 15 years, depending on what the sport is. [SPEAKER_08]: That's the money that is their primary money to live off of until they are roughly 60.
[SPEAKER_08]: and they're done most of them by somewhere between 30 and 35. [SPEAKER_02]: At the oldest, some of them, maybe baseball players can last a little longer, some football players have lasted longer. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you're 35 is pretty much as old as you're 30 to 35. [SPEAKER_08]: It means that if you are a professional athlete in whatever sport, and that includes many of the Olympic sports as well.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hell, like some of the gymnast, you mean you get in your 20s and they're like, oh, there you're done, you're not, you're a woman now. [SPEAKER_08]: Thing is, is especially a sports that earn a ton of money. [SPEAKER_08]: That's the money they have to bank on for the rest of their lives. [SPEAKER_08]: So you have to look at it.
[SPEAKER_08]: uh... correctly you have to look at it through the correct lens to understand where they're coming should they make you know big money per year yes because they're sacrificing literally their their bodies and many of them especially as we're seeing with a lot of the sports with c.t.e. [SPEAKER_08]: and they're mine they're they're they're they're sacrificing their health for our entertains well like c.m.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: bios when she didn't do the Olympics at one year because she it wasn't her brain to do it
[SPEAKER_08]: right exactly and she could have killed herself she could have killed her because i've seen that woman fly through the air as if she's in slow motion they're i can't remember the name of the rush in gymnast but she is always the the the the key case not yet come in a chair no no no no this is one who um... she knew she had something that it wasn't right whatever mentally and she was i think in in rush or remain here something like that this was i think uh... late seventies okay it was post-notch a
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, and you know, did all the and in it breaking your neck did die, but she was a quadriplegic for the rest of her life. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's that's why when Simone said, I can't do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Then that's what she said. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: So I get the professional athletes.
[SPEAKER_08]: And when you got a professional athlete like Nefisa Collier, who says the lead commissioner is not doing what they're supposed to be doing to protect us. [SPEAKER_08]: No, look, it's it's. [SPEAKER_08]: In the law, we've got our elected, we've got lawyers and we've got our elected representatives, our mayors and our governors, not right now the president, but normally in a normal world. [SPEAKER_08]: And they are there to look out for us and protect us.
[SPEAKER_08]: In sports, you've got your officials and you've got your commissioners. [SPEAKER_08]: And right now, the officials aren't doing their job in the WNBA and the commissioners not doing her job. [SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, that's when somebody calls it out like that, that's, that's what you got to do. [SPEAKER_08]: You got to call that stuff out. [SPEAKER_08]: I just kind of one of those things of you got to call out the bad stuff and you got to feature the good stuff as well.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, uh, the, um, [SPEAKER_08]: the bad stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: So there's more bad stuff, unfortunately, in the news on tap, Trumponomics is continuing to fail, uh, since we won't get an actual jobs board on Friday because the government is shut down or the CPE, what is it? [SPEAKER_02]: The CPE, the CPE I at that too. [SPEAKER_08]: Price index, right. [SPEAKER_08]: We're not going to, we're not going to get an inflation report.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, so the nearest thing that you have is some of the private reports. [SPEAKER_08]: And we had a nice clip that happens to be in there about the Trump dynamics today. [SPEAKER_08]: You can see that it's in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_08]: But basically, the U.S. [SPEAKER_08]: the private ADP report, sometimes it's a little further away from what the BLS, whether Bureau of Labor Statistics gets out there. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just private jobs.
[SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't include it doesn't include government jobs. [SPEAKER_08]: But that is often times what some of the the economists are looking at is some of the stuff in the private sector. [SPEAKER_08]: But right now the trends with the ADP if you look at the clip you guys will see that the trends between the ADP and the BLS are they're almost identical, which means that the ADP report is as best as we're going to get and that's a pretty accurate rating.
[SPEAKER_08]: And the ADP report says the US lost 32,000 jobs in September. [SPEAKER_08]: And the number of jobs in August was revised down to negative 3,000 from positive 54,000. [SPEAKER_08]: That's a big. [SPEAKER_08]: That's a big. [SPEAKER_08]: That's a great big. [SPEAKER_08]: Jobs have been cut for the third time in four months. [SPEAKER_08]: And the ACA marketplace premiums, Kaiser confirms, will more than double on average next year, which is what Charles Gabbitt told us yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and the thing is is. [SPEAKER_02]: with Donald's first favorite word tariff, which is now his fifth favorite word. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that has a lot to do with everything. [SPEAKER_08]: Jody is right. [SPEAKER_02]: Again, he said that in front of generals. [SPEAKER_02]: My favorite word is tariff. [SPEAKER_02]: Which what does that have to do with why he was there? [SPEAKER_08]: Nothing, Donnie was, Donnie was looking for a crowd.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was looking for a rally, and he didn't get a rally because thankfully, that cheered me to. [SPEAKER_08]: That is a positive news in that you know, to know that the flag officers, the generals, the, all of them. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it's like, his birthday party when they weren't walking properly, when they were marching for that stupid parade, and they were kind of just walking off of it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: They weren't marching.
[SPEAKER_08]: They weren't marching in the way that they're supposed to, very sharply. [SPEAKER_08]: They were just like, God, I'm here, whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: Which also says they're command said that to them. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it means that they knew that their command wasn't gonna be watching them that sharply because their command was like, oh my god, this is so stupid. [SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing we are not North Korea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think thankfully you're not the Soviet Union thankfully. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's that's what he wants and hopefully we can hold him back. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but that's though those are the positive signs that we all should be looking at here you're never going to see a positive sign. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we'll say never, but you're you're not going to see a positive sign anytime soon of Donald Trump says, Oh, you got me. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I broke this law and that law.
[SPEAKER_08]: I got that. [SPEAKER_02]: We're never going to see that. [SPEAKER_08]: No, right. [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's trying to prison. [SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah true true, but but also just the fact that that it's just not but the courts did slap Donnie around a little bit. [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that was pretty good. [SPEAKER_08]: Us prime courts allowed federal uh the Fed governor Lisa cook to keep her job.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh a federal judge disqualified Nevada's acting U.S. [SPEAKER_08]: attorney. [SPEAKER_08]: He pulled the same stuff uh this this acting U.S. [SPEAKER_08]: attorney Nevada pulled the same stuff as Alina Haba bless you. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so it's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, but it's nice to see. [SPEAKER_08]: And then there was this, this one judge. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't even know if I, yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_08]: I got the piece in here from Charlie Pierce. [SPEAKER_08]: We're gonna point a judge. [SPEAKER_08]: Orch is Trump about this judge. [SPEAKER_08]: He ruled that the Trump regime basically has been targeting non-citizens over pro-Palestinian speech and that's absolutely not accepted. [SPEAKER_02]: It's against the law.
[SPEAKER_08]: the law that's the base one that's that is the first rule of engagement read the constitution and follow those and the first amendment is there first for a reason people and the first amendment according to this ruling applies to everyone who is in the United States whether you are a citizen [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, and so does the Fifth Amendment and every other thing. [SPEAKER_02]: It just has persons. [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't say citizens. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's persons.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like if you go to another country and you break a law that you didn't know about, you are responsible for breaking said law. [SPEAKER_08]: Just like if you're here from somewhere else, and you don't go, you didn't know all. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember that guy that threw chewing? [SPEAKER_02]: You got cained for chewing gum on the somewhere? [SPEAKER_08]: I believe that was Thailand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, okay, that's... [SPEAKER_08]: a little harsh but okay those are their laws that's why you don't do that that's why you kind of pay attention to the law because you understand the rules of engagement of what country you're going to crazy idea about that so I I I hope [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that troll was listening to us. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he was here in the bar, hovering in the back corners. [SPEAKER_08]: But if he was, if it's a call.
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