Strange Bedfellows September 17, 2025

[SPEAKER_12]: It's political Thank you, ridicul You think it's a fun way But you are the politics bar Shotsmith Pearson, Showedie Hamilton Showedie Showed it's already been a day Ha ha ha It's been a day and a half It is hope day [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, and it has been a there's a there's a big hump or a pile if you want to call it that of news We've got a lot to talk about in the news on tap today.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've got the one or only Bob Cesska coming in and He has a little solution for your doom scrolling. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to talk about God as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know It can work for a little while maybe not forever, but [SPEAKER_02]: It's a start. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to start somewhere. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to try try and start with the positive things. [SPEAKER_02]: Which, you know, that's pretty much what we generally try to do around here.

[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, we usually try to start off by thanking our wonderful radio affiliates where we are broadcasting right now. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, whether you happen to be listening on WCPT AMA 20 or AM950 in Minneapolis, St. [SPEAKER_02]: Paul, or on the detour talking, Tennessee, or progressive voices radio worldwide, wherever you want to be, or maybe you are one of those magical future people. [SPEAKER_03]: Future people. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We love you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for listening on the podcast, putting us in your favorite podcast player, or subscribing at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Come on. [SPEAKER_04]: It's 93 degrees. [SPEAKER_02]: OK, look, I can say this your hot. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, it's 93 degrees Fahrenheit. [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's September. [SPEAKER_02]: It's cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's cooling off. [SPEAKER_02]: It's evening. [SPEAKER_02]: It's cooling off.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, but no, it should not be 93 in LA in September. [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's against it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm definitely. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been kind of gray and rainy here all day on an often. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, much rain tomorrow. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, look, you know, I will, I'll slide that across the bar to you, so it won't be 93, 4 e tomorrow. [SPEAKER_04]: So it'll be 93 and raining. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's like Florida weather.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, we're getting that kind of weather now, because there is no climate change, Sean. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: We all know there is. [SPEAKER_02]: There is, there is so much news. [SPEAKER_02]: There is, well, I guess you could say that there was enough news that we didn't put the climate change stuff in the, in the, in the headlines, in the [SPEAKER_02]: there's just so much news today.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there was some performative garbage with cash but tell doing stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: But it was performative. [SPEAKER_02]: We put the news story in there. [SPEAKER_02]: And we put a clip from yesterday's performative stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: The stuff that you mentioned yesterday with Adam Schiff, some of that is so hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening on the radio and you're trying to hear this stuff, it's hard to hear because cash but tell is yelling over the top of of Senator Schiff. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he did it over Senator Booker too. [SPEAKER_02]: He did it over Senator, he did it over everybody. [SPEAKER_02]: Cash Cash Patel, he did it so much worse today in the house.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you see any of the stuff from his, his, I saw the Eric Swallwell stuff and it's just, just yelling and screaming and it's all, look at me, look, it's like, check ass shot off. [SPEAKER_04]: I, because that's where public can lead, they can get up, he can get away with it. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, if it was Democratic-led, they absolutely would not. [SPEAKER_02]: They would say, you will be quiet.

[SPEAKER_02]: You will be respectful, and if you don't, we will have the Sergeant at Arms come and get your ass. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: And we will put you in contempt of Congress. [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can go cool your heels in a small room for a little while, Mr. FBI. [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: Which is actually what they should do anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: And anybody who gets in a line like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, because you're in Congress, you're supposed to be respectful. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: And not yell at the people. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's very simple, there are at least in general in politics, there are two factions. [SPEAKER_02]: And I always get frustrated because you get people like CodePink. [SPEAKER_02]: And they don't seem to understand that the yelling and marching and having signs faction is the faction that's outside the halls of power.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying that faction is not important, but you don't [SPEAKER_02]: you don't use Roberts rules of orders. [SPEAKER_02]: Roberts rules of order pardon me when you are marching down the street and you don't use throne paint and screaming cuss words and things when you're inside because you're not going to be effective right it's it's you know it's like being in a bar and a guy going up to a woman and going hey babe nice rack on a f

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, okay, I'm sure there are some bars where the, but this is not one of those bars and most bars are, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

[SPEAKER_02]: I have said to people before, people of every gender. [SPEAKER_02]: I've said, hey, you have a nice smile. [SPEAKER_02]: Has absolutely nothing to do. [SPEAKER_02]: Frick's guys out when you say that. [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, hey, nice smile. [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, what? [SPEAKER_02]: But for some reason, I have the ability where I can get away with it and people are like, that's really bizarre. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I was at a bar not too far from where I live.

[SPEAKER_04]: Years got 30 years ago, and it was not in a good mood. [SPEAKER_04]: So he's at the bar and I knew the bartender and you know, just hanging out and this guy sits next to me goes, you should smile and I looked at him and I was like, really? [SPEAKER_04]: I was on the mode to smile. [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, but you should. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, why? [SPEAKER_04]: He had no answer for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I was waiting for some kind of fun thing that he said.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, he had no answer because it's like, [SPEAKER_02]: your point is I'm like not in the middle if you're going to say that to somebody you mean you know if you're going to say something like uh... like you appreciate look the the it it's a Voltaire quote it's one of my favorites okay it's hard to translate from french week it is but basically we we make the best things in others part of us

[SPEAKER_02]: when we compliment them when we, you know, we make them our property is is that the more of a direct translation. [SPEAKER_02]: And when you when you give somebody a compliment that's worth while that's earned. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, hey, cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice skirt. [SPEAKER_02]: You say something like, you know, I like the fabric. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not saying you. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, nice skirt, Jackie. [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying, hey, nice skirt.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like the fabric. [SPEAKER_02]: I like the pattern. [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty cool. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you just, you know, all you're doing is you're just saying something nice to somebody. [SPEAKER_02]: And if somebody's like, hey, I don't, you know, if you say, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: If you say, hey, you have a nice smile. [SPEAKER_02]: That's obviously when there's a smile, or you've seen those miles before.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't go up to somebody that you haven't seen before and say, you should smile. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they do when they've got like three teeth missing and, you know, I mean, don't do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, women get this all the time. [SPEAKER_04]: You should smile more. [SPEAKER_04]: All I wanted to do is punch men in the face when they say that to me. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not a violent person, but it's... Ha ha.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, look, words matter. [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Hi. [SPEAKER_02]: words and I said well thank you and hateful hateful words cause hateful actions stupid words cause stupid actions or when a guy goes up to the girl and says you know hey you should smile more she could be like why you jackass and then list 1800 reasons why she shouldn't smile and she's there nothing wrong with that

[SPEAKER_02]: broke a welcome to guy say the same thing technically and he could listen you don't know what's going on this is really going on other people's life so you have to you have to you have to use your words carefully you have to know what you're doing and a lot of people clearly have not uh... pampani being one of them the uh... a total of general

[SPEAKER_02]: yeah uh... for those of you may not have heard here in the bar uh... so pan body was on the okay so yes i i have to lay out the characters for those of you who don't know so [SPEAKER_02]: Steven Miller the monster that whispers in Trump's ear. [SPEAKER_02]: He's Trump's advisor. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the guy who's behind sending the National Guard. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the guy who's behind, you know, let's grab anybody brown. [SPEAKER_02]: Steven Miller's the monster.

[SPEAKER_02]: Steven Miller is a self-loathing Jew. [SPEAKER_04]: And Malcolm Nance calls him Nusferatu Junior. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Malcolm Malcolm is right. [SPEAKER_02]: We should get Malcolm back here in the bar too, but um, so Steven's odious wife Katie Miller has her own podcast. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she's yeah, she should smile more [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she had on AG Pam Bonnie the other day and this is what got about Bonnie and trouble here. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's play this from the DVR.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's free speech and then there's hate speech. [SPEAKER_01]: And there is no place especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society. [SPEAKER_08]: Do you see? [SPEAKER_08]: more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action. [SPEAKER_01]: We will absolutely target you. [SPEAKER_01]: Go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's across the aisle. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm sorry, but Donald Trump should be then Donald Jr. [SPEAKER_04]: and Eric and I have a few people on the other side of the aisle that she should look at those are for all those people that you didn't have to name, but I knew they were Jody. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's look that but that is here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: So already the the right itself.

[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I was not surprised that people like Pennsylvania Governor Shapiro slammed the Trump administration, especially slamming Bondi over this cherry picking of recent political violence and that they're going to go after the hate speech, Stephen Miller has been big, but I'm going to go after hate speech. [SPEAKER_02]: You might be surprised, I was not.

[SPEAKER_02]: FCC chair Brendan Carr and Senator Ted Cruz don't think that Charlie Kirk's murdered justifies a lot of this hate. [SPEAKER_02]: The reason why is that they are smart enough to understand that the rules about limiting hate speech, about limiting speech can be turned around on them in New York minute, you cannot slice that orange so thin that they can have hate speech. [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm agree with Ted Cruz.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's just I need it so much power at this point. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you check check check yourself on this, Jody, because there's somebody else you're agreeing with, too. [SPEAKER_02]: This is 29. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from from a turning point USA event here. [SPEAKER_08]: Good talk about where you draw the line with free speech, hate speech and slander. [SPEAKER_10]: It's a terrific question.

[SPEAKER_10]: My position is that even hate speech will be completely and totally allowed in our country. [SPEAKER_10]: The most disgusting speech should absolutely be protected. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't say this was irony, Charlie Kirkcus Wright. [SPEAKER_04]: He is right. [SPEAKER_04]: He was right, and that moment in time. [SPEAKER_02]: At that moment with that phrase. [SPEAKER_04]: Slander is a different thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Slander is a legal thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Slander and libel are there. [SPEAKER_02]: They're definitely different things. [SPEAKER_02]: That obviously Donald Trump doesn't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Donald Trump doesn't know to the tune of 15 billion, like you said. [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I said it right. [SPEAKER_02]: Billion, I apologize. [SPEAKER_02]: I said it wrong yesterday, but it's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fact of the matter is, [SPEAKER_02]: Even people like it and and look Charlie Kirk did in the legal shadow of that he did that's that's where he made his money a lot of it to But the fact of the matter is he's not the first one father, Kaufflin ever here.

[SPEAKER_02]: That guy Yeah, right right go back to the gangs of radio here folks Rush Limbaugh I could Sean Hannity or Ingram point what four one times when that forgetting he smoked himself to death [SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: He was the he was the before limbo even. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was on TV. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember him. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Super smoker.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's been there's been so, so, so, so many.

[SPEAKER_02]: but that is that's the price of free speech is that you have to let the people who you just like Barack Obama had a really good take on this well after what we'll have to play this cut when when we get back because he was it was a very good clip we've got that on the DVR he was um at an event here on Tuesday night and uh well it's my boss so I can I can say that he was good but he's he's very good at this but he's very good

[SPEAKER_02]: there are people across the board left right in center who are agreeing that the idea that Donald Trump has and the idea that Pam Bondi has and we're gonna go after you and we're gonna limit your speech much as we there there are ways to limit the damage from negative from negativity from from there's certain kind of speech that's hate speech you you can't you can't say bomb a plane you can't say fire in a crowd of theater

[SPEAKER_04]: But that's not hate speech, that's just terrorizing people. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll talk about all of that. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, we've got a full slate of news for you tonight. [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a very good drink of the day for you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's tied to a couple different types of music. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you probably like both of them. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a hit for those of you who are already subscribed to the drink of the day.

[SPEAKER_02]: We will get you that drink of the day. [SPEAKER_02]: Bob Syska, of course, will be in as we mentioned. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Wednesday night. [SPEAKER_02]: Take a deep breath. [SPEAKER_02]: Get yourself a nice drink, fresh new drink, come on back. [SPEAKER_02]: We have another round here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_13]: We'll be right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Wednesday night. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, we laugh a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have a lot of fun here in grapes. [SPEAKER_04]: I said to you and I said die on air if you're gonna die. [SPEAKER_04]: Just do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, you know, I'm I'm having fun and then you know, when when when you laugh when you're eating pizza and you inhale Yes, that's just not a good thing not a good plan Yeah, it's that that is not something I recommend no [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm back though. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_04]: He's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank God. [SPEAKER_04]: Because I can't do the show without him. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I couldn't do it out. [SPEAKER_02]: You we'd have to call Jared and I don't know what he's doing. [SPEAKER_02]: But he will be back with us in a couple of weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: We have a whole bunch of great guests coming. [SPEAKER_02]: We got Bob tonight. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. [SPEAKER_02]: We've got John. [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Rebecca Buckpuller. [SPEAKER_02]: Buckpuller is so pretty.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's very pretty and she's very fun and she's got a great piece of leave it's in Out magazine. [SPEAKER_02]: There it is. [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be out tomorrow. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I have a lovely picture for her for a guest thumbnail tomorrow. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, nice excellent. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay Ah, since my voice is Look, you know, I inhaled pizza look at my sex. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm gonna drink in the days while you get your voice back.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna I'm gonna let my old boss talk about because he's he's got some words about Charlie Kirk. [SPEAKER_02]: He does. [SPEAKER_11]: action point, not just around political violence, but there are a host of larger trends that we have to be concerned about. [SPEAKER_11]: I think it is important for us at the outset, to acknowledge that political violence is not new. [SPEAKER_11]: It has happened at certain periods in our history.

[SPEAKER_11]: But it is something that it is anathema to what it means to be a democratic country. [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_11]: Regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. [SPEAKER_11]: What happened agreed, as you mentioned to the state legislators, Minnesota, that is horrific. [SPEAKER_11]: It is a tragedy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Amen. [SPEAKER_11]: And there are no ifs ands or butts about it, that the central premise of our democratic system is that we have to be able to disagree. [SPEAKER_11]: and have sometimes really contentious debates without resort to violence. [SPEAKER_11]: Amen. [SPEAKER_11]: Amen. [SPEAKER_11]: And when it happens to some, but even if you think they're court and court on the other side of the argument, that's a threat to all of us.

[SPEAKER_11]: And we have to be clear and forthright in condemning. [SPEAKER_11]: Amen. [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. [SPEAKER_11]: Barack Obama is right. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: He's presidential. [SPEAKER_02]: He is. [SPEAKER_02]: He is. [SPEAKER_02]: He's also, he's dealt with this for a very long time. [SPEAKER_02]: He has a powerful black man in America. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: So he understands. [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the thing, folks.

[SPEAKER_02]: When you have Barack Obama and Ted Cruz and Brendan Carr and Charlie Kirk.

[SPEAKER_02]: All agreeing and us and you and me and the folks here in the bar are agreeing [SPEAKER_02]: that's that's what free speech is about exactly and for those of you who are worried the the solution to free speech is not less speech exactly it's more and it's more informed speech yes one of the one of the differences between so you and i talked about this the other day that there are basically three kinds of [SPEAKER_02]: There's news, which is the dry kind of factual.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: There is informed commentary. [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: That's we provide. [SPEAKER_02]: We actually, that's part of the reason that we give you guys the news on tap for free. [SPEAKER_04]: So that you can just look at that and then listen to us.

[SPEAKER_02]: you can be informed you know exactly what's going on and if you want to know stories deeper then you absolutely can that's why we put it if all you want to do is take two minutes and bust through the headlines that's fine you can do that too it's free it's there you can look at some of the clips that are there but it gives you a better idea of what's going on so that you can be informed so that you can make a commentary of your own then men there's opinion and we do a little bit of that

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sure, but opinion is opinion isn't necessarily fact-based. [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: opinion is for example. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I like pepperoni pizza. [SPEAKER_04]: I used to. [SPEAKER_02]: True. [SPEAKER_02]: True. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, do you do the the fake pepperoni? [SPEAKER_04]: I love the fake pepperoni. [SPEAKER_04]: See, you fake pepperoni pizza. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fine. [SPEAKER_02]: There you go, pepperoni. [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's the spices that matter.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, that's opinion, that's commentary. [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. [SPEAKER_02]: opinion can also be completely and totally ignorant, like, well, a lot of right-wing talk. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but these three things are not the same. [SPEAKER_02]: There's news, there's informed commentary, there's opinion, these three things are not the same and people say, well, I can't tell the difference. [SPEAKER_02]: Jody is rolling her eyes that you right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can, news is you do you honestly think most people can't I do think most people can't you don't think the people can really tell the difference I So many people I know cannot tell the difference between news and opinion Between news and form of commentary in opinion That bagels my mind because I'm like it boggles my mind when I'm like this is the facts and they're like no, that's not the I'm like

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, don't you know, I mean, you know, this person told me, Sean Hannity told me that the sky was red with purple flocks so it must be so. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: No, Sean Hannity is an idiot. [SPEAKER_02]: He's an entertainer. [SPEAKER_04]: He is an entertainer and he's very good at his job. [SPEAKER_02]: He looks a little like him. [SPEAKER_02]: I suppose. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, obviously he's good at his job because he still has it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: For me, for me, news is really easy to understand. [SPEAKER_02]: It boils down to journals in 101. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to find a minimum of two sources, two legitimate sources that didn't come from the same place. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't mean, you know, Bob Smith reporter who's reporting for the AP and also you see Bob Smith reporting on, you know, ABC or NBC.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's because Bob Smith was the pool reporter that day, so he was reporting for everybody, including ABC and NBC, and then now all that comes from one guy, Bob Smith, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: Like John Carl, for example, John Carl is in the White House pool. [SPEAKER_04]: He's who got young by the president the other day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did, which is we've got to cut on a will play that one, but Jared, when he was when he was the White House, when he was the one, he was sometimes the pool reporter. [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: That's still a single source. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: I want it to be like, let's say John Carl and Jared Rizzy Jared does his own stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: John does his own stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: These two people are going to report things in a different way.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to give you like pizza. [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to season it differently. [SPEAKER_02]: You make yours. [SPEAKER_02]: I make mine. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to make it differently. [SPEAKER_02]: There's joints. [SPEAKER_02]: Whether you like your pizza, uh, New York style, California style, Chicago style, Detroit style, Kansas City, [SPEAKER_02]: However, way you like your pizza, there are lots of different ways to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now I know some of you in Chicago are gonna bitch and complain. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, crack across this pizza, deep dish is a casserole. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a hot dish, like the folks in Minnesota say. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a hot dish. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you. [SPEAKER_04]: I know what a hot dish is. [SPEAKER_02]: Those are people you can argue that all you want. [SPEAKER_02]: The fact of the matter is they're in the broad category of pizzas.

[SPEAKER_04]: When Francis comes on again, she's gonna argue with us about that. [SPEAKER_02]: We got friends who are coming back as well, which is fantastic about that. [SPEAKER_02]: But look, here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: They are in the broad sense pizzas. [SPEAKER_02]: In the same way, in the broad sense, ABC, NBC, CBS, unfortunately for, you know, well, we don't know, we'll see if they're news for when they get bought for a while.

[SPEAKER_02]: But at least now, MSNBC scripts news, you know, ABC, there you go, great, yeah, I'll just [SPEAKER_02]: When you do news, you get just like making different pizzas, you get different ingredients, but it's recognizable as what it is. [SPEAKER_02]: Informed commentaries, the thing that a lot of people don't seem to get in between.

[SPEAKER_02]: And informed commentary is, so when I'm telling you stuff today, when you and I are talking today, Jody, for example, we got some stories in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a hateful action section. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, 13 people were hurt in two mass shootings in a Minneapolis homeless encampment. [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is after Brian Killmeat at Fox suggested that the homeless people should be killed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a connection between the two? [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: We listed it as the headline there for the story. [SPEAKER_02]: She can read the story yourself and it's a slightly different headline when you click in. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a statement of fact. [SPEAKER_02]: And if somebody said, well, is it connected? [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know if it's connected, but we know that those are the facts.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if we gave you the information, we gave you the information on what Ryan Kilmede said in the news on Tapia the day you can click through there. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just it. [SPEAKER_02]: We give you the information, and then we comment on, that's informed commentary. [SPEAKER_02]: If somebody cannot tell you where they got their information, well, you know, I got it somewhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: If they can't tell you where they got it, when they got it, if they can't give you some idea of where they know the information is, they're probably full of crap and lying to your ass. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's opinion, because opinion can be true or it can be false.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's an opinion right it's a opinion a opinion ranges the right of them we all have a hope to I mean Exactly exactly jodie is right and that and that is a hundred percent that is so that's where opinion lies But in form commentary is somebody says that so Like out here in the DC area of the bar Um, some of the trees the leaves have already been turning

[SPEAKER_02]: There's rain, it'll get pretty hopefully when you know they get a little bit further, but saying it's pretty, that's an opinion. [SPEAKER_02]: Saying that the rain will knock some of these leaves that have already turned out. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I can point you to science. [SPEAKER_02]: I actually have a neighbor who works at USGS. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a fact. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I can tell you where I get the fact. [SPEAKER_02]: That's informed commentary.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully you guys are understanding the difference. [SPEAKER_02]: So when somebody says to you, okay, [SPEAKER_02]: It's got floating definitions because different states have different definitions as a general of thumb hate speech is speech that incites people to violence. [SPEAKER_02]: So for example, Donald Trump's speech that incited people to an interaction on January 6. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that would qualify as hate speech.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as a general rule of thumb, if speech incites violence or incites violent action, that's hate speech. [SPEAKER_02]: And Pam Bonnie, say, well, we're going to go after those people. [SPEAKER_02]: I would expect you to, Pam, you're the attorney general. [SPEAKER_02]: When someone is inciting violence, there are already laws about that that I expect you to enforce, you idiot, and I can call her an idiot because that's my opinion.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think she refers to hate speech as negative speech.

[SPEAKER_02]: which that's not a legal definition and that's the thing she is the attorney general she is the top law enforcement officer of the country the president is not the top law enforcement top law enforcement officer is the attorney general yes she needs to be speaking in terms like that it's one of the reasons why when they take this suspect who killed Charlie Kirk to court and they will they're all kinds of things they're going to cite they're going to cite cash patel telling how he was a friend of Charlie Kirk they're going to cite Donald Trump

[SPEAKER_02]: talking about his personal relationship, even before this guy had been officially charged. [SPEAKER_04]: But they also, I mean, they said that other people were arrested, and the one guy was shot porn, but whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, there are so many things that this kid can get acquitted on.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's another one that there's another one in the news on tap, a Russian Chinese and a rainy and disinformation about Kirk's murder flooded into U.S. [SPEAKER_02]: internet streams in the wake of his killing. [SPEAKER_02]: And the goal was pretty easy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's sought to divide us from each other. [SPEAKER_04]: But with the president and pan-bondy and cash betel coming out and saying things about this alleged murderer could get that kid free.

[SPEAKER_04]: Potentially, yeah, because they're like you don't talk about a thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's happening. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't talk about an active case or a pending case No, while it's pending because if you do It will take that jury and it will be like Yeah, you're right. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Laura already expert You got your your law degree from law and order.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, totally [SPEAKER_02]: But look, some of that stuff, I mean, they have legal consultants, like some of the lawyers that we know and and they will tell you a lot of those things they are very basic law and yes. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's free speech, there is hate speech and there's speech. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_02]: Jody is right on that one too. [SPEAKER_02]: And boy, that's that speech holy cow. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, look, we got more news on Tapley Tilts.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of stuff out there. [SPEAKER_02]: There was really proud of former CDC director Monaris today. [SPEAKER_02]: She was a great. [SPEAKER_02]: Our capital hill.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: um... she and uh... debris horry were great but we'll talk about him uh... we've got the drink of the day coming up and uh... we happen to have uh... one of our favorite people mentioned this earlier today july said she absolutely love that we highlighted this particular thing for the drink of the day so we'll just tell you what the drink of the day is next look fresh in your drink right now and she likes a country done she

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm probably here Western too. [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha. [SPEAKER_02]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have a drink of the day next. [SPEAKER_02]: Here are the problems. [SPEAKER_13]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Wednesday night here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much, By the way, King involved with us if all of our social media, wherever you happen to be, whether that is blue sky, with reds, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, or sub-stack, you know the place you find us at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or you can always call us 21367777258, that's 213677775A, 2136777 salt, [SPEAKER_02]: or you know other drinks that require salt uh per the mention earlier by the wait thank you Julie for interacting with us over on some stack so she was noting that we today have highlighted for the drink of the day a drink for those country music lovers we do [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and by the way, uh, back in the day, my, especially my stepdad would appreciate this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there he's gone now. [SPEAKER_02]: What does seven months, something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: That's so new. [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: It is a little bit, but I always, you know, he, he was, he was very positive guy in a lot of ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, many, many years dry recovered alcoholic, um, [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's proud of of of doing that, but he's also proud of being from Western Nebraska, being from broken bow, had his his snap button shirts that he liked and they were Western shirts, so country Western, oh, he was very country and he liked both of those kinds of music both country and Western, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this this one of it would have been a drink that back in the day when he drank and he probably would have enjoyed this one. [SPEAKER_04]: And when this is a way to make it, you know, a mocktail at some point. [SPEAKER_04]: True. [SPEAKER_04]: Today is intern National Country Music Day. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, Swiftie was a country music star. [SPEAKER_02]: I used to be a country music DJ.

[SPEAKER_02]: real you did you do not know that no haha yeah i worked on uh... country radio station in link in a brassica for five and a half years uh... let's see if i can uh... let's see if i can uh... draw to break here i would i would say things like uh... blankets country leader ninety six point nine fm ninety six kicks it's shonsmith your web muggy hanging out you want to win the night yeah that that was me you have such a dj voice

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm here hanging in the bar with you because you can see them. [SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, back in the day when I was in college, somebody said, hey, we get a radio station and you got one of these types of things, you got a nice set of pipes in no life. [SPEAKER_02]: So, hey, you want to be honest? [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, guys, you're whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: So, but yeah, it's not yet. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the country country music is it's different these days. [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it is more poppy. [SPEAKER_02]: So international country music day, it was established on the birthday of what famous country music star. [SPEAKER_02]: you got it. [SPEAKER_02]: There is a Hank senior. [SPEAKER_02]: I realize there are people out there. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: You're in Hank 3 so.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there are people depending on your age where you may not necessarily realize that there are other versions of Hank Williams out there. [SPEAKER_02]: The youngsters like like Bella with a Z, you know, she might go at Hank 3. [SPEAKER_04]: She might not even know who he is. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, I suppose.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then there are people who know Hank Jr., and, well, whatever, and then there are people who know Hank Sr. [SPEAKER_04]: So, this is how you look and what you got cooking. [SPEAKER_02]: We got that clip, by the way. [SPEAKER_04]: I know, I love that, you got that. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_02]: It's good. [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, what is the drink of the day is a cowboy derby? [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's based on the old, now I'm talking Southern, it's based on the classic 1930s [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but it's a little bit different. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a slightly different because today is international country music day. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm just going to do it like that. [SPEAKER_02]: When you say that, you sound a little bit like a character the Carol did. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it all Southern if you want.

[SPEAKER_04]: uh... today is literally the international country music festival day so around the world people are paying homage to a man to hang George straight in magra garth brook dolly or hell yes will i will i will i will i will bow to dolly every day you can be white at which my sister actually had a blow up doll called tami why not but anyway uh... [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we've got a little barbecue. [SPEAKER_02]: What is in this cowboy burger that we're looking at?

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what you need is a chilled coop glass, a shaker, ice for said shaker. [SPEAKER_04]: One and a half ounces of bourbon. [SPEAKER_02]: Quality bourbon. [SPEAKER_04]: Always quality. [SPEAKER_04]: One ounce of pink grapefruit juice, freshly squeezed. [SPEAKER_02]: Got it. [SPEAKER_04]: Not the soda that we did yesterday. [SPEAKER_04]: It's actual grapefruit juice. [SPEAKER_02]: got it different than grapefruit soda. [SPEAKER_02]: Correct. [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Got it. [SPEAKER_02]: Important difference. [SPEAKER_04]: Very important. [SPEAKER_04]: A third ounce of maple syrup, literal maple syrup. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, use a good stuff there too. [SPEAKER_04]: And a great room zest, which we've taught you before. [SPEAKER_04]: For garnish. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to first squeeze it, may as well have the use of zest. [SPEAKER_02]: Use the whole thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you put everything in the shaker and you shake it. [SPEAKER_04]: with ice, just everything except for the grapefruit zest and then you strain it into the chilled coop glass and then you express the zest over the cocktail. [SPEAKER_04]: Boom, he all!

[SPEAKER_02]: look if you missed any part of the drink of the day you can get the drink of the day and all those those wonderful drinks that we've done in the past just subscribe at the politics bar.com six dollars a month basically a buck fifty a week gets you access to that gets you the podcast ad-free and the news on tap for free it's all there at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: All right the news on tap today yes Donald was getting protested has been getting protested in the UK

[SPEAKER_02]: lots of funny stuff there there's there's there's some clips you can check out that's in the news on tap today well did you like the uh... in fact i know you did you like it so much it's in the news collage today the uh... four people were arrested at the first of some questions were projected onto winsor castle i love that they did that yeah but prints and drew was like hey that's my bud uh... i don't think he said that did they even put pictures of and drew up there

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I think they were just a exclusively with Trump. [SPEAKER_02]: It's very clear that they're trying to hide Trump from all the protests because he's flying in not driving in. [SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but look there. [SPEAKER_02]: There is other stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: There's there's some. [SPEAKER_02]: some Trump Epstein news, not that big of a deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cash Patel is dodging all kinds of stuff on it, but it's pretty clear. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a good piece we got that is in the news on Tap today from CNN. [SPEAKER_02]: If you paid attention to Tuesday's Senate hearing, and to some of the stuff that happened today, it's pretty clear that the Trump regime is going to try to throw Alex Acosta under the bus. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: There's no doubt about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you could check that out read it read that yourself. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to get talking about the the more important thing. [SPEAKER_02]: So there was a hearing today Santa hearing with a former CDC director Susan Mineras and former chief medical officer Debra Horry Who testified before the scent today and it was Remember when when RFK said that Mineras lied he was lying

[SPEAKER_02]: of course he was yeah um she here I have this on the DVR I have this from from earlier today let me pull this up because she she'll tell you exactly what what happened um in her firing process here on August 19th I received a director from the secretary's office that I now required prior approval from my political staff for CDC policy and personnel decisions let me stop [SPEAKER_02]: political staff for policy decisions at a science agency.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Just in the journalist statement, political staff. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Telling scientists what they can and can't say. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: She continues. [SPEAKER_09]: That's after. [SPEAKER_09]: And obviously, first, I was told to return to Washington from Atlanta immediately, which would have met missing officer Rose's memorial, something [SPEAKER_09]: I was not willing to do that a girl.

[SPEAKER_09]: When I did return, I was concerned about my ability to continue to lead the CDC while preserving evidence-based decision making. [SPEAKER_09]: Commitments I had made to this committee during my confirmation hearing. [SPEAKER_09]: On the morning of August 25th, the Secretary Kennedy demanded two things of me. [SPEAKER_09]: They were inconsistent with my oath of office [SPEAKER_09]: He directed me to commit an advance to approving every ACIP recommendation.

[SPEAKER_09]: Regardless of the scientific evidence. [SPEAKER_09]: He also directed me to dismiss career officials responsible for vaccine policy without cause. [SPEAKER_09]: He said if I was unwilling to do both, I should resign. [SPEAKER_09]: I responded that I could not pre-approved recommendations without reviewing the evidence. [SPEAKER_09]: And I had no basis to fire scientific experts.

[SPEAKER_09]: He told me he had already spoken with the White House several times about having me removed. [SPEAKER_09]: For three decades, I have worked at the intersection of public health, science, and technology innovation. [SPEAKER_09]: always challenging the status quo and welcoming the changes that come from research and discovery. [SPEAKER_09]: Even under pressure, I could not replace evidence with ideology or compromise my integrity. [SPEAKER_04]: That a girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Amen. [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. [SPEAKER_04]: She's amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: She's great. [SPEAKER_02]: She's great. [SPEAKER_02]: They both work. [SPEAKER_02]: They were both very clear that what RFK junior was asking them to do. [SPEAKER_02]: as both doctors and scientists and also in their roles that they had been approved for by the Senate was to lie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, was to put in antivax policies and to agree to push through antivax policies, even before they'd seen what those policies were. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's had a lot of real questions today. [SPEAKER_03]: They did. [SPEAKER_02]: They did hearing. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see Senator Cassidy as well? [SPEAKER_03]: I saw a little bit of it. [SPEAKER_02]: He was about the only Republican that had any real hearing his doctor's questions.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's just it. [SPEAKER_02]: He is a doctor and as I understand it, his license is still valid, which means that he also has an obligation to his license. [SPEAKER_02]: And his obligation to his, [SPEAKER_02]: career field as a doctor. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he's been a politician now for I think 10 years, but you've got an active license folks. [SPEAKER_02]: You could you can have a gang. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not something you really want.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want it. [SPEAKER_04]: He's Dr. Cassidy as well as Senator Cassidy. [SPEAKER_02]: He's both clearly pissed off with RFK's BS and all. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he should never have approved him. [SPEAKER_02]: He shouldn't. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm, Charity's right. [SPEAKER_04]: And look, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: He's no better number. [SPEAKER_04]: He no better. [SPEAKER_02]: He implied that he was going to call RFK junior back to the Senate.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, I think he's pissed enough that if he calls him back in RFK junior or lies, I would love to see him say, you are lying. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you, if you continue, [SPEAKER_02]: we will stop the hearing and we will press charges. [SPEAKER_02]: We will we will do the things that we can do as the Senate. [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot open you cannot do that. [SPEAKER_02]: They can embarrass us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fine. [SPEAKER_02]: Go. [SPEAKER_02]: But one of one of the things that that that Center Cassidy was was really. [SPEAKER_02]: He did a whole big thing standing up for for the the hepatitis B vaccine. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Which is great because that is something that the anti-vax people are targeting and that it's insane. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, we've got some great links in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a really good one that Jody has.

[SPEAKER_02]: You found this one from the bulwark from Jonathan Cohen over there. [SPEAKER_02]: It did. [SPEAKER_02]: Really good piece on that, about RFK's Crusade against vaccines. [SPEAKER_02]: I caught this one. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember who sent this to me initially, but AHIP, the health insurance lobby. [SPEAKER_02]: We put their press release in there, so you guys can see it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, the health insurance companies [SPEAKER_02]: No, especially when it comes to COVID, they know that the costs of people catching COVID and catching the flu More expensive so much more expensive. [SPEAKER_02]: So they want you to get vaccinated and they are hope that they have committed to holding the prices So I know we got strange bed fellows in politics these guys wear it, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean standing with the health insurance companies and tech crews I agree with him. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean [SPEAKER_04]: I need a so good shower at this point. [SPEAKER_02]: I need another drink and I'm going to get one and so we're new. [SPEAKER_02]: Bob sets us coming into, we got more drinks, we got more news on tap, we have some fun stuff to talk about too.

[SPEAKER_02]: And likely, said earlier, Bob has this great suggestion on how to get you to stop doom scrolling, we will get you all of that information more. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Wednesday night, you know, if you got any stuff, you know what you do, we aim to please, you aim to please, all right? [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you here in about two minutes. [SPEAKER_13]: See you right back. [SPEAKER_05]: after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_00]: It's Choney! [SPEAKER_02]: Yay!

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Choney! [SPEAKER_02]: Yay! [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I don't get that reaction all that often. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for my dog, mostly. [SPEAKER_02]: Can't, my wife sometimes. [SPEAKER_02]: Although, you know, she works long days, so I come back for the bar. [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, hey, you're home. [SPEAKER_02]: That's great. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to bed. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but look, we've been around a while. [SPEAKER_02]: I know you've got an anniversary coming up.

[SPEAKER_02]: We will have to come back as well. [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, we'll talk about that. [SPEAKER_02]: Bob Cesca coming in, we got more news on tap as well. [SPEAKER_02]: The tap is almost, but not quite as overflowing with news as it was yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes depending on where you're at, you don't worry about it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you have the DVR trust me. [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, why do you say, huh? [SPEAKER_04]: I'm all to what? [SPEAKER_02]: My mom. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God, Jody. [SPEAKER_02]: My mom. [SPEAKER_02]: My mom Nancy is not like your mom Carol. [SPEAKER_02]: Your mom does not do that, does she?

[SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: I love my mom, but she refuses to [SPEAKER_02]: My stepdad refused for a long time, and she, you know, he would go, I am dead for years. [SPEAKER_04]: Here we go, huh? [SPEAKER_04]: Finally, she has good ones. [SPEAKER_02]: And then she would repeat it louder. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, oh my God. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, so so finally, she got tired of that. [SPEAKER_02]: So he got a hearing aid. [SPEAKER_02]: Notice, she got tired of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he got a hearing aid. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, my mom could probably, you know, I any who, whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: I, I love her all the same. [SPEAKER_02]: She, you know, you do what you got to do. [SPEAKER_04]: And I have deaf friends that hear better than Lonnie. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but Lonnie's been a rock and roller for a long time. [SPEAKER_02]: I get that, you know? [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he literally, like, I turned the TV up to like 17.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, ahahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaaha

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So we are back to the news on tap for the day. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I got to say, um, a lot of the news today. [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the performative testimony, the good testimony. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but the economic realities are still there. [SPEAKER_02]: The Fed has approved a quarter point interest rate cuts and now they see two more coming this year and it's not because that they've gotten control of the The inflation problem. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the word.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking forward. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you my brain was ain't fried [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not because we've got control of inflation. [SPEAKER_02]: It's because of the fact that Donald Trump is screwing this economy up so bad US long-term unemployment is now hit the post-pandemic high Higher now that it has been since pandemic Shocker yeah

[SPEAKER_02]: uh... the government shut down odds are also going up as well uh... democrats have rejected the republican stop gap proposal it didn't really have any uh... democratic inputs and they didn't extend the a c a subsidies so i look there that there's a poll confirming the democratic voters want to shut down fight and i i'm a democratic voter on with a shut down fight i do so it's it's important i mean the republicans have done it for years

[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, nobody's going to vote against them in a year because because they decided to stand up for our principles for the principles that we all believe it. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody is going to nobody. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody is going to to say screw you on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, elsewhere in Capitol Hill, you caught this one.

[SPEAKER_02]: House Republicans voted again to surrender their tariff powers to Trump. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they couldn't. [SPEAKER_02]: They could have ran them in. [SPEAKER_02]: The courts are going to rain him in anyway on that. [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully knock on wood. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, for now, tariff man is still doing his tariff thing. [SPEAKER_04]: He's, they're cow-towing to this man, um, who was it that I saw?

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, uh, Justin Wolvers who said, look, we are very definitely in Stagflation right now, where normally it's one or the other stagnation inflation and obviously it's Stagflation is a combination thereof. [SPEAKER_02]: And he says, you know what would there, there is a silver bullet that would kill Stagflation getting rid of [SPEAKER_02]: So, we'll have to see if we can get him here in the morning. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go back to what Joe Biden passed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just go back to that. [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, if you get rid of the tariffs, pretty much that's what you're doing. [SPEAKER_02]: If we, if if if Congress passes another continuing resolution and there may be a shutdown for a while, but they will likely, they are not going to pass an all new budget.

[SPEAKER_02]: They will likely pass a continuing resolution, which will be [SPEAKER_02]: So for those of you who don't understand, continuing resolutions continue funding things the way that we had them previously. [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, when's the last time that we actually passed a fiscal budget that Congress passed a past budget passed all 12 appropriations bills? [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would be during the first two years of Joe Biden administration, Biden Harris administration, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: And we have not had a new one since then. [SPEAKER_02]: Because Republicans say that they want all this ridiculousness in Democrats will vote for it and they can't get it through.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we have had continuing resolution after continuing resolution and yes, there has been some adjustments because of the cuts that Republicans rammed through those recision cuts. [SPEAKER_02]: But the majority of it is basically the same budget that we had when it was still Biden in the Democrats, which pisses off the Republicans to no end.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it is still basically the same thing, and so if they get rid of these tariffs at any point in time, hey, you get rid of the tariffs boom, it goes back to mostly what we had with Biden Harris on the Democrats, which, you know, holy crap, that actually made sense. [SPEAKER_02]: That would be a really good thing, but yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's that's that's not happening any time soon. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Bob. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, how you doing? [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're here in there. [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be better could be worse, but you know, be raining. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: It's raining here. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mentioned that to Joe to your earlier. [SPEAKER_02]: That it's raining. [SPEAKER_02]: The leaves are starting to change and the trees and in the DC area of the bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Since you happen to be the Maryland part of the DC area.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm in the Virginia part of the DC area. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this is a raining there. [SPEAKER_02]: It has been on and off all day. [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to start here tonight. [SPEAKER_04]: So. [SPEAKER_04]: Just letting you know the weather is coming your way and when Jody says she's hot She's not bragging. [SPEAKER_14]: She's saying that she's noting that it was 90 degrees in septia in That time of year for LA for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's stupid.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it shouldn't be this it should not be this warm in LA It's absolutely should not be this warm in LA right now, but but it is Hence the hair up

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[SPEAKER_02]: because I noticed this last night on blue sky. [SPEAKER_02]: I think you did it on threads too. [SPEAKER_02]: But where you put this post up, you said battle doom scrolling by listing five small pleasures in your life. [SPEAKER_14]: Yes, and so in fact, I wish I could take credit for that idea. [SPEAKER_14]: It wasn't my idea. [SPEAKER_02]: I just jumped in and I was going to ask you whose idea it was. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I'm very well could have been your idea.

[SPEAKER_02]: Bob has good ideas, you know. [SPEAKER_14]: Well, thank you. [SPEAKER_14]: I appreciate the exhibition, but it was someone else who, well, I don't know if this is the person who started it, but I quote, [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Give here that signifies how you're feeling today and what am I, you said that ways to battle doom doom scrolling by listing five small pleasures in your life. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you listed five great things.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: You know, it took me a second to think of these, but then once I came up with a couple of them, the ball started rolling and I got the rest of them. [SPEAKER_14]: And you could also tell that I was hungry when I wrote it. [SPEAKER_02]: was most of the things have to do with food for those for those people in the bar here who were who were not paying attention. [SPEAKER_02]: They were not on blue sky when you did this.

[SPEAKER_02]: What were your five small pleasures? [SPEAKER_14]: Number, I'll go and reverse order and count down to number one. [SPEAKER_14]: Number five, a chocolate-multid milkshake. [SPEAKER_14]: I might be dating myself with that. [SPEAKER_14]: No, you were like multi. [SPEAKER_14]: We're talking about that the other milkshakes.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: It you know what you can't drink a milkshake without the malt powder in it because it I can once you do Yeah, you're the one Jody doesn't I'm I'm with you. [SPEAKER_14]: I was one truck of multi milkshake and yeah, and a band Oh a burger served in a red plastic basket and an old diner. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I [SPEAKER_14]: But something about this. [SPEAKER_14]: You're so hungry. [SPEAKER_14]: I'm which served in one of those red plastic baskets.

[SPEAKER_14]: Number four paper. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: Number four was. [SPEAKER_14]: Number four is a summer evening after mowing the lawn. [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: You get home from work. [SPEAKER_14]: You have to mow the lawn. [SPEAKER_14]: You mow the lawn. [SPEAKER_14]: But once you're done, mowing that feeling in that sort of magic hour. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and especially if you have a lawn mower beer, [SPEAKER_02]: One more beer is different.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are some beers you have to have like with a fork. [SPEAKER_02]: But if you have a lawnmower beer, the kind of beer that is perfect after mowing a lawn. [SPEAKER_02]: As long as it's ice cold, yeah, can be any brand of beer. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's always a smell of lawn just being moored. [SPEAKER_04]: After it's, that's the smell. [SPEAKER_04]: I love that. [SPEAKER_04]: It looks good. [SPEAKER_14]: Number three is chili and cornbread.

[SPEAKER_14]: Also, nothing after that, just chili and cornbread. [SPEAKER_14]: actually during the autumn, it's also very, very good, but any time of year, chilly and cornbread is a perfect job. [SPEAKER_02]: Your number two thing that is a blessed life, an autumn bike ride in the country. [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, the leap's changing and the weather's cool and you've been working hard all summer to work with. [SPEAKER_14]: But it's not cold, so you can still ride with your cool to as you're riding.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_14]: And plus your your fitness is up to snuff. [SPEAKER_14]: And so you're able to really just enjoy the bike ride. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the best. [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing. [SPEAKER_14]: Nothing like that for those of us who ride bikes. [SPEAKER_14]: That's yeah, really. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while. [SPEAKER_02]: I need to fix mine up.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the number one small pleasure to battle doom scrolling that you missed it last night was rainy day binge watch of Star Trek any era. [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, you know, we would also take a rainy day, a binge listen of track politics with Bobcester and Mary Trump just, you know, track politics. [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, you know, these are, these are all things.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you're going to battle doom scrolling, it's a great way to get yourself to just stop, stop, and make a list of five small pleasures in your life. [SPEAKER_02]: Because like you said, you actually had to think about it a little bit. [SPEAKER_14]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_14]: Yep. [SPEAKER_14]: Yep. [SPEAKER_14]: So, that's because of the doom that we're in right now. [SPEAKER_14]: My brand is all occupied with doom and panor. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I get that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get that. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Bob Ceska is here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: We are going to talk about more of the, the heavier the big stories that popped today, because, yes, that's what we do here. [SPEAKER_02]: But we had to take, take, take a moment from the news, scrolling from the doomschooling at stop. [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, smell the chili and cornbread.

[SPEAKER_02]: So. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Bob Ceska, when you come back, look, get your drink refreshed. [SPEAKER_02]: As we said earlier, if you got to do your thing, do your thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_13]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Bob Setska here in the bar with us look if you missed his technique to battle doom scrolling you can check that out that's on his blue sky account.

[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's on your threads account as well. [SPEAKER_14]: Just a blue sky account. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: you can follow Bob on all the social media just do not stalk him and of course you can always go to bobsesca.com get yourself signed up for that podcast and you know if you're a really, really cool person you can go and sign up this patreon and throw some money too. [SPEAKER_14]: That's that would be awesome. [SPEAKER_14]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: I like your shirt, Bob Starfleet Command 11. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good shirt. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you checked out the shirts over at our store? [SPEAKER_14]: I have I got to get me I got to get me a politics bar sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have one of those I still I still like the you know Jody is right sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are two versions of that, but well, that's the one I'm going to get I especially I would I would like it at some point in the next you know big sexy liberal gathering For pretty much all of us to show up with Jody is right shirts from the politics bar [SPEAKER_02]: Just so that Chris, the little boy is there, he could see them all with his, maybe he's wearing a Chris' right shirt, but I'm sure some people will be wearing a Chris' wrong shirt and just, you know.

[SPEAKER_14]: we could battle it out. [SPEAKER_14]: It's a battle of that story. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, yeah, it's good. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, look, it would be t-shirt speech as opposed to hate speech, which, yeah, look, nice segue. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: What, what, what, what, I mean, the, the events of the last week have been ridiculous in so many ways, and I've, you know, I've heard a little bit of a bunch of things, you know, you podcast, but [SPEAKER_02]: This this new stuff with Pam Bondi and with the Trump regime trying to use hate speech and then you end up with people like Literally effton in car and Ted Cruz Teeming up with Barack Obama to be like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry But Charlie Kirk's murder does not justify the questions the Pam Bondi and Donald Trump wanted to make [SPEAKER_02]: You got a one side. [SPEAKER_02]: You've got us bread and car Ted Cruz and Barack Obama and on the other side you've got Donald Trump and Pam Bondy. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: And strangely enough on our side also daily wires Matt Wolff. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_14]: Well, right. [SPEAKER_15]: And Charlie himself.

[SPEAKER_15]: Charlie Kirk himself. [SPEAKER_14]: Charlie Kirk. [SPEAKER_14]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_14]: He said there is no such thing as hate speech. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: We had we had that we had that we played on DV earlier. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Literally. [SPEAKER_02]: He says that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going the guy who got killed is on our side about not restricting this speech thing. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_14]: Well, this is a circumstance where I think Donald Trump has been teeing this up for a long time. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's not a label any liberal political speech as somehow hate speech. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's let's just be honest, Bob. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just bought it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's not just Trump. [SPEAKER_02]: It's everybody on the white and they've been teeing this up for 30 plus years.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, well, but I mean specific to Donald Trump, this is how he organizes all of his frivolous lawsuits. [SPEAKER_14]: This is the frivolous lawsuit against 60 minutes. [SPEAKER_14]: This is the forthcoming for whether frivolous lawsuit against ABC News for that matter. [SPEAKER_14]: Certainly the frivolous lawsuit that was filed yesterday against the New York Times for $15 billion dollars.

[SPEAKER_14]: because what he sees as normal political speech, free speech, if it's against him, that's therefore hate speech. [SPEAKER_14]: He sees any speech that's anti-Trump as being hateful against him. [SPEAKER_14]: He said it to Jonathan Carl yesterday. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: Do you have hate in your heart for me, whether John of the call has hate in his heart for Donald Trump, is none of Donald Trump's goddamn business.

[SPEAKER_14]: But in his mind, in his twisted, warped, chiclet-sized brain. [SPEAKER_14]: This is something that rises to the level of hate speech. [SPEAKER_14]: If you're opposed to Donald Trump, you hate Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_14]: Therefore, [SPEAKER_14]: it's absolutely ludicrous and again standard operating procedure. [SPEAKER_14]: So he's just been looking for an excuse and he's using the Charlie Kirk thing.

[SPEAKER_14]: Despite the fact that the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk is often weirdo phantom zone gripper world and he's not his politics are not cut in dry. [SPEAKER_14]: No. [SPEAKER_14]: As some of us were forecasting last week when it happened. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, this is happening more and more often where a lot of mass shooters, a lot of people are engaged in political violence. [SPEAKER_14]: Yes, the vast majority of them are right wingers, right?

[SPEAKER_14]: That has borne out in all of the statistics that we've seen over the years. [SPEAKER_02]: We have a huge list that we use one of yours. [SPEAKER_02]: You use the thing from the Economist, and I think we put that in there too. [SPEAKER_02]: We have a huge list in the news on Tap yesterday of multiple sources that have said for years and years and years that the right [SPEAKER_14]: overwhelming 75% Yeah, only a security department of defense, the anti-deformation leader.

[SPEAKER_14]: I asked, oh, yeah, we do the whole list. [SPEAKER_14]: And the fact of the matter is that despite what Donald Trump says, [SPEAKER_14]: this is something that's common to the right, but also going back to the shooter in Utah, the alleged shooter in Utah, is the fact that some of these people tend to have politics that are all over the place, just confused, manifesto, type, screens, and things.

[SPEAKER_14]: that you can't you can't it's not like you can go to a particular shooter certainly not this alleged shooter in Utah and say oh yeah look at this guy he's a member of the RNC or all look at this guy's a member of the DNC it's not that cutting dry and right a lot of cases so people need to bear that in mind as well and if he were super left twing we would know about it by now

[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe there are certain parts of his belief system that are more of a little but he's not a liberal as well We had pieces yesterday.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have another one in the news on tap today under the section for hateful actions That talks about bizarre memes and nihilistic in jokes and the extremely hard to understand online world that people like this suspect live in Oh, yeah, yeah, and and it's [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I won't, you know, I, I, I, I say this often times, you know, I've got, I've got issues with all kinds of you. [SPEAKER_02]: Hell, I have issues with myself, but, um, uh, we all do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, I'll just, you know, I, but it's, you know, nobody's perfect, but, uh, Spencer Cox did make a point that more people are making, which is that social media itself, uh, if you swim in it too much, if you swim in it too long, it definitely will warp you.

[SPEAKER_14]: That actually kind of leads me to the thing I've been thinking about a lot today, which is that alleged text message exchange, the accused shooter and his roommate, and based on what we know about this kid, [SPEAKER_14]: It certainly based on some of the stuff that was allegedly scrolled on some of the rounds and the circles in which this guy goes around in online, there's a disconnect between the language that this kid has used on the, again on the rounds and certainly online.

[SPEAKER_14]: Bruce is what was the kind of language that was used in this text exchange. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, which seems like it was constructed almost with a by an AI chat bot or by someone who is much older than 22 years old.

[SPEAKER_14]: There are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some people on the right, there are people who have got some

[SPEAKER_14]: I don't, but they don't necessarily know on or among thieves. [SPEAKER_14]: No, these guys. [SPEAKER_14]: Because they're, they're so conspiratorial all the time. [SPEAKER_14]: Then suddenly there's intramaga conspiracy theories and things like that. [SPEAKER_14]: So we're seeing that playing out as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: I agree. [SPEAKER_02]: I have, I have no way of knowing when it is, that's, that's the point.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the point that at least the, the Utah prosecutor made, when initially announcing the charges, the fact that, [SPEAKER_02]: This case should be tried in court. [SPEAKER_02]: This case should not be tried in the court of public opinion and they'll figure out they'll find out now that there is the whole difference between communicating in text versus communicating like normal people do You know what with you like we're talking here in the bar

[SPEAKER_02]: I always had a I had a great mentor in radio and he always said text communication is just about the worst thing because text-based communication you cannot tell tone even if you're using emojis and you know bold and I text-based communication doesn't communicate tone. [SPEAKER_02]: And there are a lot of people who are saying that's part of the problem with social media that we have is that it's kind of anti-social because it eliminates a lot of the tone.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have deaf friends that would disagree with you on that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but when people who are deaf talk, I mean they see the expressions of the person. [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, when they do TTY, you should be called TTY. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see what you're saying. [SPEAKER_04]: And now they love text. [SPEAKER_04]: They love it. [SPEAKER_04]: Now they have FaceTime so they can actually do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But when it was just text communications trust me, my friends that are deaf were like so happy that they didn't have to have a tea. [SPEAKER_04]: I had a TTY here in my house because I had deaf friends. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow, wow, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Plug the phone in and all of that. [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm so impressed me. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's better than nothing, but I'm saying it doesn't communicate tone a hundred percent.

[SPEAKER_02]: True. [SPEAKER_02]: It is still better for somebody who is speaking with ASL, speaking with sign language, to be able to see who they're communicating with, because they pick up all of this. [SPEAKER_04]: FaceTime is great for them, because they can sign now. [SPEAKER_02]: right and and they pick up on all the cues if somebody's hands are a little bit limp. [SPEAKER_02]: If normally they mouth the words along with it and then they don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: These are all things that that's whether whether you're communicating with a smile or whether you're communicating with a frown. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can hear it in voices but it's best when you can hear and see all of it and text really strips that out and then when you then when you take text based communication and you put the emotional quotient way high up and you turn the speed up to insane that's pretty much what social media is.

[SPEAKER_02]: you're standing at the fire her fire hose of news dealing with highly emotional very intense things and the only way that you can do it is to communicate in a version of communication that is somewhat like a robot drives people up a wall because they they can't get the nuances in there and you miss nuances you miss nuances all the time it's my my dad [SPEAKER_02]: Some languages are tonally based. [SPEAKER_02]: I know you too know this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if everybody in the bar knows some languages are tonally based Manoring for example, my dad used to do business with China.

[SPEAKER_02]: You trade with China And he always reminded me he said if you're going to learn Chinese, he says you need to learn to do it well Because if you say and I can't remember the phrase, but if there's a specific phrase, if you say it right you're complimenting your host Mothers cooking and if you say it wrong, you're saying your host mother is an ass

[SPEAKER_02]: and it's not in the words that you're using it's in the tone house parts can help us with that because he speaks i believe mandarin i don't i believe so yeah yeah we're asking about that but that's that that that's that's the kind of thing if you don't have the tone you can't get it across and then add in the other things you know uh... existential crisis doing high speed and then of course the news industry which is uh... news and opinion are the same thing

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you add you add all those. [SPEAKER_02]: I understand why a lot of people like it. [SPEAKER_14]: You know again if you look at the text transcript from this exchange Amazingly typo free Yeah, that's Then you have a bunch of big thumbs like me. [SPEAKER_14]: I can't text without Scrolling up I mean then you have to wonder though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have to wonder if they cleaned up the transcript to send it out or if that's the [SPEAKER_14]: We have to not give this White House the benefit of the doubt on anything, we have to assume the worst until we're proven otherwise. [SPEAKER_14]: I try not to get conspiratorial about these things, but in this one instance with this text exchange, it's just not matching up. [SPEAKER_14]: Right.

[SPEAKER_14]: Based on just the time I've spent text messaging over the years, this just doesn't match the text messages that I've exchanged. [SPEAKER_14]: And this guy was under extreme arrests. [SPEAKER_14]: Yes, you know, running around not knowing what's going to happen next. [SPEAKER_14]: Obviously parting ways with his roommate or whatever the relationship was there, having just shot and murdered [SPEAKER_14]: wondering whether he should go back and get the rifle and all the same.

[SPEAKER_14]: Lots of little incriminating details in there, too. [SPEAKER_14]: I got something that I think either Steve Bannon or Candace Owens was pointing out. [SPEAKER_14]: I don't believe I'm favorably quoting. [SPEAKER_14]: I know, you're right, though. [SPEAKER_14]: But they're right about that. [SPEAKER_14]: He's including incriminating evidence and confessions in this exchange. [SPEAKER_04]: but he's not cooperating with the cops.

[SPEAKER_14]: So, yeah, yeah, I was so nervous right now. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of, but the political stories that we're dealing with today are making very strange bed fellows that we, you know, I mean, who would have thought that us and Barack Obama are agreeing with Charlie Kirk and Ted Cruz about speech issues and that you're favorably quoting [SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, I don't like this timeline. [SPEAKER_04]: Can we get off it now? [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't.

[SPEAKER_14]: You know what? [SPEAKER_14]: I don't entirely agree with Charlie Kirk and Ted Cruz on hates people. [SPEAKER_14]: No, I don't think there's such a thing as right, as speech that that goes too far. [SPEAKER_14]: Yes, right. [SPEAKER_14]: Abuses the town square to incite people to violence. [SPEAKER_14]: Don't accept sending the January 6th insurrection is down to the Capitol. [SPEAKER_04]: Talk about hate speech exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: We use that.

[SPEAKER_02]: We use that example earlier night. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: That is that is look. [SPEAKER_02]: There is hate speech, and there is legal definition of it, too. [SPEAKER_04]: So Pam Bonnie wants to go after an ability. [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, Donald. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the fact that the fact that we even agree, even a little bit, with folks like Ted Cruz on that, you're right. [SPEAKER_02]: That is something to note. [SPEAKER_02]: So look we've got one more round.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously you'll stick around for last call Actually I got to go. [SPEAKER_14]: Okay. [SPEAKER_14]: I talked to Hal Sparks on my show today and it was late because he had to do his show and so we couldn't Start and you go Then you go Bob and we will see you back here again next week. [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's gonna come check out his podcast Go to his patreon site because that's what we recommend. [SPEAKER_02]: You do always See you next week brother.

[SPEAKER_02]: Bye. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: See you next week. [SPEAKER_02]: Bye. [SPEAKER_02]: Bye [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Wednesday night. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do last call with you hang on. [SPEAKER_13]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar Wednesday nights Let's call for alcohol [SPEAKER_02]: Bet you didn't think Jodie was gonna do that. [SPEAKER_02]: If you thought, well, anyway, look, it's Wednesday nights or glad you're here.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're glad you guys have been coming in from wherever it's you missed any part of the show. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, best thing you can do. [SPEAKER_02]: Get the podcasts, get on your podcast player, type in the politics bar, and you'll find this there. [SPEAKER_02]: Or you can subscribe at the politicsbar. [SPEAKER_02]: Dot it out. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh goodness, so we do the drink of a day, Bob Cesska was here. [SPEAKER_02]: He had some things he had to go do because he had another show.

[SPEAKER_02]: He had some other stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a prep for you guys. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, look, it's it's uh, uh, I have to say it is fun having our friends be able to pop in and out here. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: No, we're happy to have everybody that's on the show. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very glad that we're going to get Rebecca in the bar tomorrow because I can't wait to meet her. [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked with her on and off over text.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is, we were talking about text-based communication with Bob.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I have talked with her via text-based communication for... [SPEAKER_02]: I think since not about the time that she was in that legal fight, we'll ask her about that with Donald Trump, because she said something and he went after food and whatever and there's a whole schemeel in there and it's one of those things where I forget how many people over the years, having been in media as long as we have, we know a ton of people.

[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of them, you don't necessarily these days especially because of the communications infrastructure we have. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't necessarily always meet. [SPEAKER_02]: We rarely meet many of these people in person. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, especially now. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although I mean, you're being able to bring them here to the bar that's different.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for most of the last 15, 16 years, there's a whole parcel of people here in the national media industry in the D.C. [SPEAKER_02]: in New York area. [SPEAKER_02]: that I have communicated with on tech space platforms, Twitter and blue sky and threads and text and instant messaging and whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: We've never actually met.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of weird now that now we're meeting more of these people like, oh, hey, I got this thing and I'm like, oh, hey, well, that'd be really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're a really knowledgeable person. [SPEAKER_02]: You're an expert in these kinds of things. [SPEAKER_02]: For example, Rebecca's a lawyer. [SPEAKER_04]: So we need more lawyers. [SPEAKER_02]: We have probably the best bar of any bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the best legal bar of any alcohol.

[SPEAKER_02]: And non alcohol bar, anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, she's a lawyer too. [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll talk to her tomorrow. [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, John Fuckel's saying we'll be back. [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk more with him about his new book, how the reception to that is going. [SPEAKER_02]: He's going well. [SPEAKER_02]: He's got somebody who is going to be doing that event with him that live event in the 90s, history, why in New York?

[SPEAKER_02]: Castella Alonza, I don't know if you, she's great comedian. [SPEAKER_02]: She's fantastic. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know who she is, but I'm sure it's fantastic. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure she's fantastic. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk we'll talk with him more about that tomorrow as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, news on tap there as we said there are some other things that you may or may not have missed.

[SPEAKER_02]: uh... so we're we're very glad about that it it basically brings their uh... state house parity where was before which yeah it's where was before which basically the democrats are still in control well i mean it's it's fifty fifty at this point but they have a but they have a power sharing agreement and basically that they got old for the house goes to the democrat because i believe they're what he was speaker [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of the thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think the Democrats have the states in the 13. [SPEAKER_02]: You can check that piece out as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Also, the Utah Supreme Court upheld the ruling requiring a new congressional map ahead of 2026, which is [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty likely to actually end up going democratic if they get the right candidate on it. [SPEAKER_02]: So for those of you who are still occasionally pulling your hair out about this redistricting wars, you need to stop a first of all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't pull your hair out. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not good for you. [SPEAKER_04]: No, it says it hurts and you get to get a bald spot. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Secondly, there are things that you haven't seen because I guarantee you six months ago. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody saw that the the courts of Utah.

[SPEAKER_02]: pushing through this change that will end up very likely you're resulting in a seat from we have one by a Democrat, which yes, I mean, they will be the only statewide elected official in and still not statewide, because it'll be the district, but you know want to mean federal federal official elected as a Democrat from Utah, but at least have one, which is great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I still firmly believe that we should go back to having [SPEAKER_02]: where you've got, if you've got enough people in the districts, you've got a Republican and a Democrats or a Democrat or a Republican and an independent, yeah, because that would be more fair representation.

[SPEAKER_02]: poor water on a lot of the the partisanship that's out there uh-huh at what is yeah because people are like i'm finding over this one thing you can't have it okay fine well and then other people would say will look that i would actually have somebody in congress who i feel like i can go to with my issues [SPEAKER_02]: Because I know I know plenty people, especially in Midwest, who are great Democrats or their independence.

[SPEAKER_02]: They, you know, want to do their thing, but they absolutely do not trust the mega Republican representatives and senators that are there. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't trust their governor. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh Nebraska's governor's doing something stupid.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't put this in the news on top of that same kind of jackass or anything that that uh we're on say same but similar um so uh the state got more tax money back uh they they got more tax revenue because people I guess bought more or something and they're supposed to do this out back to the the school boards across the state okay but it's a money issue so who does it go through does it go through the legislature or the [SPEAKER_04]: governor.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's supposed to go through the legislature. [SPEAKER_02]: Because remember, just like with Congress, they have the power of the purse. [SPEAKER_02]: And what the governor there in Nebraska decide, screw it. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I said. [SPEAKER_04]: That's why the governor is going to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's the fact what he's doing is he's going, you know what? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need the legislature's approval.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to push this extra money to them. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, the extra money is going to get there. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but it's, it needs to go through the legislature because that's the laws. [SPEAKER_02]: But the governor there in a brass case Republican and it's both Republican and he goes, well, I'm just going to do it who's going to stop me and like, well, I'm sure there are people going to be so it is asking

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are even going to be some Republicans doing his ass and saying you cannot do it that way there's a reason that we have the laws and even it will end up that the money ends up going to the local school boards in the for any way there's a reason that the procedure that we have these procedures and we go through it because if you do it and you set the procedure you set a a precedent for doing things wrong the next person who comes behind can use that precedent.

[SPEAKER_02]: to do other things that you didn't intend. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: That's why we have the laws. [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I understand a people go, but sometimes what we're supposed to do is instead of letting hundreds of layers of bureaucracy exist. [SPEAKER_02]: You're supposed to go back and revise them. [SPEAKER_02]: And oftentimes, we don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: And part of the reason we don't, just because oftentimes we're too busy fighting all the stupid ass things, refighting the same arguments. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: No, we're. [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, there is some other news that is in the news on tap in the entertainment section today. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're wondering why there's no new South Park episode tonight, Maston and Tray Parker say they're very sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: They screwed up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: So they took down the Charlie Kirk episode, which by the way, Charlie Kirk liked. [SPEAKER_04]: He thought it was funny. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't. [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't have wanted them. [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_04]: He would not. [SPEAKER_04]: I remember when two weeks ago, whenever it came out, he was like, I'm so happy to be on South Park. [SPEAKER_04]: He actually liked what they did to him. [SPEAKER_04]: He liked that they mocked him.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was enjoying that. [SPEAKER_04]: So I understand what they pulled it down out of respect, but he liked it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's, look, that's why we pointed out earlier that even he, at least on certain issues like that. [SPEAKER_04]: He loved it. [SPEAKER_04]: He thought it was great. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm on South Park and he was like, woo, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, Stone and Parker said there was a time crunch because there was too much news and they just said this was on us. [SPEAKER_02]: They screw up, so there should be a new one next week. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, those guys do a cartoon in a week, which if you've ever done animation, that's an insane short time period to do. [SPEAKER_04]: anything topical in cartooning. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and, and, unless, of course, you're, you know, doing a logo for a new network.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like they did with, uh, it's supposed to be MS now. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, what is that? [SPEAKER_02]: that is just so stupid. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a dumbest name of a new network ever. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, MSNBC and NBC news are set for an editorial split that they've said is coming is is sets for October, like mid October, which it means it'll happen over the next few weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I still think this is an absolutely stupid thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I still think that they will be able, they won't be able to rely on them as much. [SPEAKER_02]: But they should be able to do because this is what we do this all the time. [SPEAKER_02]: We have people who come in here. [SPEAKER_02]: They have their own shows, other news shows, reach out to other people. [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you'll see a CNN person on ABC or whatever because or you see somebody from AP on all kinds of it because that's what you do.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, but it just means that they're not going to be able to coordinate with NBC news as much. [SPEAKER_02]: But whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: I just have so many gestures to you with my hands. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and also just the fact that to me, it's been very clear that the word has come down from the MSNBC and I'm still going to call them that. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. [SPEAKER_02]: Good name them because whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they come down from their executives that we need to be both sides thing everything and I'm like no. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_04]: You need to be factual. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And if somebody doesn't like it, they can suck it. [SPEAKER_02]: But that calm cast, they own them and they're, but they're not going to, they're, they're in the process of divesting them. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: They'll be, they'll be a versant.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Whole different company. [SPEAKER_04]: Still, I mean. [SPEAKER_02]: they just need to do the news and do the news in the way that I still get the impression that the executives more now than ever are like oh but we we don't necessarily want to cater to lefties and I'm like hey jackass you haven't catered to lefties ever ever. [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I mean, that's that's they're not worth it.

[SPEAKER_02]: More than far more than seeing an unfar more than Vox, they catered the left. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going, but that's that's the business that you're in. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like somebody who, you know, you make horse and buggy whips and I don't want to make horse and buggy whips. [SPEAKER_02]: Then don't, then quit. [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of the business and let somebody else who actually gives a damn do the job. [SPEAKER_04]: to be the job is the news and not left or right.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just news. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: But you're still going to you. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're going to obviously they have a niche that they are catering to. [SPEAKER_02]: They are catering to people who politically lean to left. [SPEAKER_02]: They absolutely need to still do news. [SPEAKER_02]: But they if.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you are catering to people who are on the left, and you still are doing news, you are going to position things in a certain way, then, for example, Fox, who will position things in a way where Donald Trump is always right. [SPEAKER_02]: And we never talk about the Epstein things. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to cater to the people on the left, stop both sidesing things, stop both sidesing things. [SPEAKER_04]: Stop it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You are correct, but my view is like let's stop both sizing anything ever and not lean one way or the other Let's just right be Walter Cronkite. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah [SPEAKER_02]: Which, I mean, the weird thing is that lefties would prefer that, too, and righties would prefer still fox. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, because, you know, the truth has a liberal leaning. [SPEAKER_02]: It does.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's, it's why it's called news, because people who lean to the left like new things, and people who lean to the right, like things the way that they've been, they don't necessarily like new information, which is why they're always going to not really like good news. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, news done well, because it's new. [SPEAKER_02]: They want the olds and we don't have olds, we have news, not olds.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and they're not conservatives because they don't conserve. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Jody is right again. [SPEAKER_02]: A good way to end a Wednesday night with Jody being white. [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much that's a good way to end every day is, is Jody's right. [SPEAKER_04]: You're just, I did checks in the mail. [SPEAKER_15]: Uh, Jody, who do we have coming into the bar tomorrow again?

[SPEAKER_04]: We have your friend, uh, Rebecca, and then John Fuckel saying, [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, Rebecca, Buckwell, Opposa, and John Fuqua, St. [SPEAKER_02]: will be here tomorrow. [SPEAKER_02]: We will have, uh, who's here next week? [SPEAKER_04]: We have Sherry Jakobas coming in next week. [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, look, we got all kinds of great guests coming in. [SPEAKER_02]: We're very glad that you came in as our guest tonight as well. [SPEAKER_02]: So look, get home safe, uh, do your work.

[SPEAKER_02]: Come back tomorrow. [SPEAKER_02]: See us again here at the Paul.