Problems and Solutions August 28, 2025

[SPEAKER_07]: It's political. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you, radical. [SPEAKER_07]: Shotsmith, Pearson, Jody Hamilton. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, hey, Jodie. [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, hey, hey. [SPEAKER_02]: I love fat Albert. [SPEAKER_02]: It was a fun cartoon. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a good show. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was in spite of who did it. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't know about that at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a very good show. [SPEAKER_03]: It was good for learning lessons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that you've, it's kind of a Tuesday again. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a Tuesday on Thursday. [SPEAKER_03]: It was good. [SPEAKER_03]: At least the computer didn't break down like it did yesterday. [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely so that was good. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you threaten it this morning? [SPEAKER_03]: I did actually I checked it before we started because there's a thing that I have to do for a speech.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I checked and made sure that things were working before we even started today. [SPEAKER_02]: Usually it's just afraid of Chris. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm sorry, but Chris is just because Chris knows the universal computer tool trick. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what the universal computer tool is, don't you? [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: Universal computer repair tool is a twelve pound sledgehammer.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason that this is the case is because, look, if you call the help desk, you're at work, your computer breaks down, you call the help desk. [SPEAKER_02]: Help desk is what the problem is. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: They're frustrated. [SPEAKER_02]: You're frustrated. [SPEAKER_02]: The computer's not working. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's happy. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, use the universal computer repair tool.

[SPEAKER_02]: Put twelve pound sledgehammer through the computer. [SPEAKER_02]: Call the help desk. [SPEAKER_02]: They say, what's the problem? [SPEAKER_02]: You say there's a twelve pound sledgehammer through my computer. [SPEAKER_02]: They say, I know the solution. [SPEAKER_02]: I will send you a new work computer. [SPEAKER_02]: You say, thank you very much. [SPEAKER_02]: You're happy. [SPEAKER_02]: The help desk is happy. [SPEAKER_02]: The computers and happy, but who gives a dam?

[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't working anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: So screw it, replace it, and everybody's happy again. [SPEAKER_02]: See? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if I'll pass. [SPEAKER_02]: Well. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying do it to your work computer, do not do it to your personal computer, because if you do it to one of the other, it's very important. [SPEAKER_03]: So we don't do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's true.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also Stephanie would have to replace that and we don't want to force Stephanie to have to try to do that because that would not be good. [SPEAKER_03]: So she's she's just happy she knows how to save threads now. [SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_02]: Stephanie is going to save threads. [SPEAKER_03]: No, there's a way you can save threads. [SPEAKER_02]: I've been the way the way that you've said it to me. [SPEAKER_02]: It sounded like she was, you know, did it in there on a horse?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm Stephanie Miller. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to save threads. [SPEAKER_01]: And the little hat. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was just thankful that because yesterday it did kind of screw up a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: So I left later than usual. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: and then you then then you got to Bob's later than usual and then you got back and you got here you're bad on time yesterday was good you know it's all good but you and you're all of your wonderful shows and we are very glad that uh... [SPEAKER_02]: This is true, but I believe she also has a teleporter. [SPEAKER_02]: So just she might. [SPEAKER_03]: And Rachel, they have three shows right now. [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully we'll get them on again soon.

[SPEAKER_02]: We do have the wonderful John Fugel saying coming in coming back. [SPEAKER_02]: And I were going to talk to him about his book. [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously about the shooting in Minneapolis and that. [SPEAKER_02]: That's where we start the first draw from the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, it's look. [SPEAKER_02]: It is a tough subject. [SPEAKER_02]: And we still don't know all of the details. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we know more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we know the shooter was trans, but we don't know exactly how they identified whether they were on anything. [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what? [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't really matter that they were trans because it's irrelevant. [SPEAKER_02]: It's irrelevant. [SPEAKER_02]: The shooter had serious mental health issues. [SPEAKER_02]: May have been lifelong. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know how long that happened. [SPEAKER_02]: There were issues.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the guns were purchased legally, but there are some restrictions that are recommended by gun safety groups like every town that are not in place in Minnesota. [SPEAKER_02]: And so they were able to get more guns and more ammo than they probably should have. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and so governor walls and the people of the great state of Minnesota can close those loopholes.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing is that the governor walls and Peggy Flanagan, his lieutenant governor and a lot of the Democrats in Minnesota have done a lot of things. [SPEAKER_02]: They pass some gun safety laws. [SPEAKER_02]: They will. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure push for more. [SPEAKER_02]: They've taken action to me. [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's one of the biggest things is not doing something is not [SPEAKER_02]: It's no longer right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: You're really not doing something. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but it's not acceptable anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many people who say, you know, oh, well, you can't do anything. [SPEAKER_02]: Pick a direction, damn it. [SPEAKER_02]: A freaking direction. [SPEAKER_02]: Amen. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll care what direction you're picking. [SPEAKER_02]: Pick an effin direction. [SPEAKER_02]: Folks, because that's, that's the big key.

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, we went over these yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: The five components of gun violence. [SPEAKER_02]: It's important to remind people that all five of these are important, and the idea is not to stand with the status quo. [SPEAKER_02]: Just a reminder, again, the five components are ineffective gun safety laws, suboptimal mental health care systems, corrupt lobbying and political finance systems, questionable media ethics and poverty and inequality.

[SPEAKER_02]: These are our five. [SPEAKER_02]: If you are doing something to try to alleviate these problems, then you're doing something. [SPEAKER_02]: I got a little pop quiz for you, Jody. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go down these these five again. [SPEAKER_02]: And you tell me.

[SPEAKER_02]: whether democratic independent or Republican who's who's done anything on these or or better yet better yet since we've got all three since we get democratic and who hasn't done anything that's a that's an easier yeah because I know Bernie Sanders and is is independent and he's very much uh... uh... got a trend member who the uh... the senator for man is that he's also an independent uh... king and is king yeah exactly exactly so okay so let's so of the three

[SPEAKER_02]: Democrats, Independence, and Republicans who has not done anything on each of these five components of gun violence. [SPEAKER_02]: So the first one, ineffective gun safety laws. [SPEAKER_02]: Who's done nothing? [SPEAKER_03]: Fred, please don't. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not stuck here. [SPEAKER_02]: The Republicans. [SPEAKER_03]: The Republicans. [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. [SPEAKER_02]: Judd, you're right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Suboptimal mental health care systems. [SPEAKER_02]: We're health care systems in general. [SPEAKER_03]: No, Republicans. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Who hasn't done anything on the corrupt lobbying and political finance system or made it worse even? [SPEAKER_03]: Republicans. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: A questionable media ethics. [SPEAKER_02]: Who's making things worse?

[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a story on the news on tap today about that as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Who's making it worse? [SPEAKER_02]: Democrats independence or Republicans? [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And poverty inequality. [SPEAKER_02]: Who's constantly making that worse? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a really tough republicans. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not difficult. [SPEAKER_02]: Democrats and independence are not perfect, but they are at least doing things on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Minnesota, they have done things. [SPEAKER_02]: God, yeah, trying. [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't do it if you don't try you won't succeed. [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's kind of been like the accidental theme of the whole week. [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't fight, you know, fight and forward. [SPEAKER_02]: So you got first you got to try. [SPEAKER_02]: First you got to stand up. [SPEAKER_02]: First you got to do something.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you ain't gonna do nothing, you ain't gonna get nothing. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and the thing that I find interesting about the trans issue, because they tried to say the Tennessee shooter was trans and he was not. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so this person identified as female. [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know whether or not this person was on any hormones. [SPEAKER_02]: We have no idea whether they were whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're lying to me as a lady. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_03]: Is women are out of control. [SPEAKER_03]: because if they're on hormones, they. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: It's that it's that subtle right wing right wing, uh, massage it where they're trying to say they did something like that on Fox this morning with RFK junior, which was just ridiculous. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly what it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we can find out if if this person was on any hormones because the autopsy will show that. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to play the Fox bit just because there's so much BS and anti-transst crap in there and look, trans people are people like anybody else. [SPEAKER_02]: There are plenty of healthy, mentally healthy, mentally stable, great trans people. [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a couple of great trans neighbors.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've mentioned before who fit in that box. [SPEAKER_03]: Good friends that are trans and my, my granny's, she's trans. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if she can have sort her hormones or not because I told you a few weeks ago my friend Bridget, when she couldn't afford her hormones, [SPEAKER_02]: She went off. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: She got more masculine. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Just because her hormones weren't there.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, by the way, children, women are way calmer than Brett Kavanaugh, Lisa Graham. [SPEAKER_03]: I can go on and on and on. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that goes, it goes along. [SPEAKER_02]: It goes along with some of the other stories that we have in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, you can subscribe for free to the news on tap at the politicsbar.com. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there is garbage going on with the CDC standoff.

[SPEAKER_02]: The CDC director, Susan Maneras, [SPEAKER_02]: RFK junior tried to fire her basically because she said she was standing up for what is science backed stuff and remember trump picture she only she's only been doing her job for a month trump picture so it's not like right right but here here's the thing it wasn't just her because of the way that that RFK junior tried to push her out with his anti vaccine you know bad the anti vaccine thing is

[SPEAKER_02]: So at the direction of RFK junior, the FDA has now narrowed access to the COVID vaccine for everybody under sixty five. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're old, sure you can get it, but if you're not well, maybe maybe not. [SPEAKER_02]: It depends on if you're insurance company picks it up or it's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're also saying it's not even insurance. [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's if you have underlying conditions. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they define those because I have high blood pressure. [SPEAKER_03]: Can I please get it? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's and and because the thing is is because they'll restrict it so much then a number of pharmacies may not carry because it may not be financially viable for them to carry it [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's extremely- I would assume that Pfizer, Moderna, and every other pharmaceutical company is going to start going crazy at the FDA and the FDA.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll have to- And they'll have to just go look. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there are, there are some Democrats. [SPEAKER_02]: Patty Murray was the first person. [SPEAKER_02]: You sent me the, the press release from her and I agree. [SPEAKER_02]: She called for RFK Jr to be fired over this. [SPEAKER_02]: And he should be. [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: I would prefer him to be fired out of the canon, but that's just me. [SPEAKER_02]: Sean Lewis.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I didn't say into a wall this time. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_02]: He'd probably like it. [SPEAKER_02]: He'd be like, look, where are the bears? [SPEAKER_02]: I can see them for luck here. [SPEAKER_02]: God, he's bizarre. [SPEAKER_02]: But there's, there's also worse things. [SPEAKER_02]: This is all under the, the segments in the news on tap today called the Trump regime doesn't care about you.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you think they're, their bad policies on healthcare just relate to vaccines, un-in-in-in-in-in-in-in. [SPEAKER_02]: You remember what prior approval is when it comes to insurance, Jodie? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, the Trump regime is now testing a pilot program and places like Oklahoma. [SPEAKER_02]: Deep red Oklahoma to bring back prior approval, but stick it under Medicare, which has never had prior approval because it's been Medicare.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the Oklahoma is that what they are. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Oklahoma. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, just making sure I don't think they'll like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't think they like it at all because it's flarrant. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and they won't like it either. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there are, I think, six or seven states where they're trying this crap. [SPEAKER_02]: It is hated and damaged.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the reason that so many people are not on Medicare Advantage, which is a private plan. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even Medicare. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: But look, all of these types of cuts, the Medicaid, the ACA cuts, the Medicare cuts, they're affecting rural health care systems. [SPEAKER_02]: We got a fact check. [SPEAKER_02]: You can read through the full check check on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But look, for those people who are saying, the shooting in Minneapolis, they're blaming it on mental health care, mental health care costs money folks. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're looking between Democrats, independents and Republicans who is trying to take away your health care, your mental health care, special Republicans. [SPEAKER_02]: So don't tell me that you care about mental health care issues and then try to take away the funding for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we got words in my head, I can't say. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: You and me both, Joey, you and me both. [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Thursday night. [SPEAKER_02]: We got John Dugelsang. [SPEAKER_02]: We have a very fun drink of the day that is a mocktail because you guys requested it. [SPEAKER_02]: So, hey, you put in your requests. [SPEAKER_02]: We can get to him. [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what we're doing tonight. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is two one three six seven seven seven seven two five eight two one three six seven seven salt like in your maga Rita. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we had a couple of calls, by the way, last night, a couple of our favorite members of the bar here are favored bar patrons. [SPEAKER_02]: Paul and Seattle said on the drink of the day that I was right yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: He actually, it was great. [SPEAKER_02]: He said, Sean was right. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much, Paul. [SPEAKER_02]: He said that it was Ralph Waldo Emerson, who wrote the words, shot her around the world with regard to the Cracoteller option, which I remember that, but it was just kind of it was nice to be validated. [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you Paul. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Nice to be validated. [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's in person or you're parking. [SPEAKER_02]: either way is good to be valid.

[SPEAKER_02]: Heather, by the way, also for Michigan. [SPEAKER_02]: She called, talking about the redistricting wars. [SPEAKER_02]: And she said she's very glad that some Republicans in Indiana are standing up against Trump's push on the redistricting wars. [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, she knows and people she lives fairly close to Indiana. [SPEAKER_02]: She says, and she knows some people. [SPEAKER_02]: And they're mad. [SPEAKER_02]: People who are obviously, it sounds like Republicans and stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, we don't want that here. [SPEAKER_02]: We want to pick our members of Congress. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want them to pick up. [SPEAKER_03]: Because they have relatively fair maps in Indiana. [SPEAKER_02]: Relatively, but still they the talk has been Trump has been. [SPEAKER_02]: He they had some some something that you know Indian lawmakers were in the White House here. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember that it was.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Trump was Trump was leaning on him. [SPEAKER_02]: The same day that the poll came out that said like eighty some odd percent of Indians and that's across the board regardless political parties say hell no [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it looked the Republican legislative a lot of legislators. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, this was God was it last week. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was last week.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, that, uh, John Fuegel saying was mentioning this to Jared and I that we're going to start seeing more and more a split between the members of Congress who understand that Donald Trump is not going to live forever and he will not make a third term. [SPEAKER_03]: There's, there's no way he's going to last this term. [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think his health is good enough that he will, but he's not, he's not going to, which means there is a point in time, especially for anybody in the Senate who was on a six year jaunt, who maybe just got reelected this last one, but you've got house members every two years.

[SPEAKER_02]: There is a foreseeable future, even within the next cycle, even before twenty twenty six, where they have to figure out a world, the Republicans have to figure out a world without Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_02]: And they are going to have to start separating themselves from him, which is going to be insanely difficult because they've made their whole political world about him. [SPEAKER_02]: It's an absolutely stupid thing to do politically, but that's what they did.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, just that. [SPEAKER_03]: That's happening at meaning alone. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's that, that's sicophantic ass kissing, you know, pathetic, pathetic. [SPEAKER_02]: It was disgusting. [SPEAKER_02]: But that's, that's the kind of things that they do. [SPEAKER_02]: So for those of you who, you felt really bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's not like Jody and I don't feel bad about the shooting. [SPEAKER_02]: We do.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there's no need to wallow. [SPEAKER_02]: There has been progress made. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a little video. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're feeling a little bit down, you're feeling like we haven't done anything on gun safety. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a little video from every town that is in the news on tap today that we stuck in there that you can kind of watch and look by the numbers. [SPEAKER_02]: They go over a whole bunch of stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: States have done stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Feds have done stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: You remember the Biden Harris administration Democrats. [SPEAKER_02]: They even had some Republican buy-in on it. [SPEAKER_03]: Even Donald, banned bump stocks until the Supreme Court said they were legal, even Donald did that. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, we can make progress, but if you don't try, you ain't gonna go get nothing. [SPEAKER_02]: So you gotta, you gotta try. [SPEAKER_02]: There are actions that can be taken.

[SPEAKER_02]: And oh, by the way, so this was something, friend of mine, Sean Dixon. [SPEAKER_02]: Great friend of mine. [SPEAKER_02]: He lives up in Northern Minnesota. [SPEAKER_02]: Literally, he was, if I had more groomsmen at my wedding, he would have been one of them, but he's fantastic. [SPEAKER_02]: He's been one of my friends for, oh God. [SPEAKER_02]: He's fantastic. [SPEAKER_02]: And he used to be, he's the guy that I went into the Navy with.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's the guy who said, come on, it'll be fun. [SPEAKER_02]: Plus you'll get your college. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the guy that I lost a day in Mexico with when we went to the bar when we were in the Navy. [SPEAKER_02]: But he used to be a big second amendment guy. [SPEAKER_02]: And then he really thought more about it. [SPEAKER_02]: He is a big gun safety guy now. [SPEAKER_02]: He knows so much about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he pointed me to a story that I included for us in today's news on tap. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty key story. [SPEAKER_02]: So the Trump administration wants to ban marijuana users and users of some prescription drugs from owning guns. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Joe, he's giving me that. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you kidding?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Dixon and I who we've said this and other other people especially people who are in the gun safety corner of the world have been saying this for a long time that that for those of you who are gun rights extremists or if you know somebody who's a gun rights extremists.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's been told to these folks a whole lot of times if you do not accept normal saying limits on gun safety on your behavior and behavior other people who have guns extreme limits are going to be placed upon you by somebody in government. [SPEAKER_02]: Now I bet they never thought it would be Donald Trump and Republicans trying to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Donald Trump, with help from his Republicans, is going to try to push through this attempt to ban and what he means by marijuana users is even if it's illegal for you to use marijuana in your state. [SPEAKER_02]: They still want you to not be able to have your guns. [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, that means depending on how far they decide to go, they could come and try to take your guns. [SPEAKER_02]: Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: which look with his fascist tactics, would you really be surprised? [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want anybody else to have guns to stand up to him if they tried to do that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he figures only Democrats smuck pot. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, seriously, he does what he's figuring. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sure that's I'm sure that's what he and some of his life, but I'm like he obviously does not know Republicans very well at all or independence for that matter.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: We're often registered Republican are independent. [SPEAKER_02]: So the idea is folks, especially if you are somebody who has a gun or knows somebody has a gun, there are all kinds of ways that we can make progress on gun safety. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a crap ton of them. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a great piece. [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's from NPR. [SPEAKER_02]: No, PBS.

[SPEAKER_02]: uh we put that in the news on tap today as well that is at the end of the first segment there shots of terror chases of truth because this is the politics bar and we like shots and chases but the NPR piece it goes really well and it goes through how there are a lot of other nations that have different ways to do things

[SPEAKER_02]: you always comment well i will say always but you often comment jodied that we have a listeners and other places in the world like to know yeah i'm surprised how many listeners we have in Canada so thank you by the way for coming into the bar here you can exactly we're all about you [SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm sorry, but look, we love him. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Minnesota is close enough. [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you get up in the boundary waters. [SPEAKER_02]: They're cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: There you go. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: But look, in Canada, firearms are divided into three classes. [SPEAKER_02]: There are non restricted weapons. [SPEAKER_02]: Those are rifles and shotguns, which makes sense for personal protection.

[SPEAKER_02]: especially because there's so much rural area in Canada and a lot of times in the US you have the people who are rural saying don't restrict my weapons they have non-restricted weapons they are there are some restrictions but they call that that's the class of weapons they call them rifles and shotguns are non-restricted [SPEAKER_02]: Their second class of weapons in Canada is restricted. [SPEAKER_02]: Those are handguns, semi-automatic rifles, and some other types of shotguns.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's obviously your Canadian. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm talking about? [SPEAKER_02]: The third type is prohibited. [SPEAKER_02]: Automatic weapons prohibited. [SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: In Canada, individuals must obtain a license to buy both guns and ammunition. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember you were talking yesterday about the Chris Rock thing? [SPEAKER_02]: You got a license to buy a bullet? [SPEAKER_02]: They got that there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, you have to register all of your restricted firearms. [SPEAKER_02]: Those are just some of the big ways that can't is doing it. [SPEAKER_02]: We could do some of those kind of things here because the people who are worried they say, well, you know, the government might know all about these kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: So guess what, the government, the government because among other things, if you buy guns and you pay for them, you buy it a gun shop or even if you buy it privately, you're paying taxes. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're paying taxes on it, if you're not, you're doing something illegal. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're paying taxes on it, then they know that you bought a gun. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and by the way, our Social Security numbers are completely out there in the ether now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We, I think we had that yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: You gave me that one. [SPEAKER_02]: We put that in the news on tap yesterday that there's been a big hack that traces back to those doge bags. [SPEAKER_02]: There are millions of those Social Security numbers. [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, that would be good. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be more concerned about that than somebody knowing I own a gun. [SPEAKER_02]: A gun. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because there are a lot of people that own guns for protection. [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of people that own guns for hunting. [SPEAKER_02]: Even people you wouldn't necessarily think. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they're Australia's another nation. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember when we're looking at solutions right now, ways that we could be safer about because here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know that there are some of you here in the bar who are saying, you know, the best thing to do would be to get rid of all the guns. [SPEAKER_02]: True. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, no, no, and you've said that before, but I know a lot of people, especially in the left you say that. [SPEAKER_02]: And I say, you know what else would be really good? [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get rid of all the stupid people.

[SPEAKER_02]: and you people, some people look at me like, wait, wait, wait, I've been dumb once or twice. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't get rid of all the guns anymore than you can get rid of all the stupid people. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not possible. [SPEAKER_02]: It's what we call a belling the cat solution. [SPEAKER_02]: Great idea if it was possible, but it ain't possible.

[SPEAKER_02]: The mice cannot go up and put a bell on the little kitty you have on your lap there, Jody. [SPEAKER_02]: It's innate possible for them to do any more than it is to get rid of all of the guns. [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean that you can't try Australia. [SPEAKER_02]: They had a great big buyback program. [SPEAKER_02]: They got, God, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I think more than a million guns back. [SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing that we could do is a buyback program.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are cities and there are states that have tried that and it works. [SPEAKER_02]: It gets more guns off the streets. [SPEAKER_02]: Australia did that. [SPEAKER_02]: They have an Australia a near complete ban on automatic and semi automatic rifles. [SPEAKER_02]: They have registration. [SPEAKER_02]: harder than Canada's.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to have a gun, what it is, you have to have in Australia a valid reason, quote unquote, literally quote valid reason and quote, for gun ownership and the state gets to determine it. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you're out in a rural area for the most part, yes, that is a valid reason because they figure you're a long way from the cops. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: But the fact is these are all solutions. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not telling you that we could do everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just giving you guys ideas because here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Jody and I can give you ideas. [SPEAKER_02]: We can give you help. [SPEAKER_02]: We can give you information. [SPEAKER_02]: But it is going to be up to you, just like it is in the LA area of the bar, in the northern Virginia area of the DC area of the bar. [SPEAKER_02]: That's our individual things. [SPEAKER_02]: We have to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we contact our legislators and we reach out to them and you know, drop phone messages and other messages occasionally. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we do. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to do the same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not somebody else's job to do any of this. [SPEAKER_02]: It's yours. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure is a mine. [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, other solutions is real has a different way of doing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have mandatory military training that obviously mandatory military service for everyone. [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone, males, females, it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And there are some people they say that are exempted from it. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're exempted from most types of service. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not, but you're not most of the time, you are not exempted from certain things within the military training.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're exempted from the service, but they may still make you go in and do gun training. [SPEAKER_02]: So you have to learn about this stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't know about guns, you may not like them, but you should at least learn about them because you may need to know for somebody else.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you may need to know because if somebody's trying to push and push misinformation out there on the internet, it would be very good or, you know, if you're hanging out in another bar and somebody's pushing some BS, it'd be good for you to know that they're pushing BS. [SPEAKER_02]: So learn about this stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Norway, Andre's Brevick, where that horrible incident happens. [SPEAKER_02]: He was a killer over there.

[SPEAKER_02]: The guy who was up in Minnesota, or Colonel, they, whoever, the killer in Minnesota, yesterday this week, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: They were all about this Norway shooter, all about them, and several of the other mass shooters. [SPEAKER_02]: Norway has a lot of solutions. [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, registration comes for ammo. [SPEAKER_02]: They also have the valid reason for gun ownership like Australia does. [SPEAKER_02]: They also have mental health care.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are a number of nations that have this solution. [SPEAKER_02]: So they have gun lockers. [SPEAKER_03]: So let's say, I think so. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where it's like, look, so you go to your, you go to your mental health care professional. [SPEAKER_02]: And they say right now, you're a little too unstable to have a gun. [SPEAKER_02]: So you go to the public gun locker. [SPEAKER_02]: You pay like five bucks a month. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're poor, I think it's subsidized.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they will temporarily hang onto your guns for you. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just it. [SPEAKER_02]: They hang on a thing. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want nothing with them. [SPEAKER_02]: They lack of a gun safe and there it is. [SPEAKER_03]: And if you want to shoot it, you go to a gun range and. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but the other thing is is when you come back with a doctor's note and you say my doctor has now said that that I'm cleared to take my guns back, they're like fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sign the paperwork and there go. [SPEAKER_02]: People say, really, I go, yeah, these are all solutions that other countries have. [SPEAKER_02]: The idea that we can't do something is absolute bull crap. [SPEAKER_02]: We can, there's lots of, this is America for God's sake. [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of things that we could do. [SPEAKER_02]: We are innovative as hell when we want to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just having the will to actually get off our asses and make our legislators do stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: We can do stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: So, they choose not to. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And they choose not to impart because there are enough of us who aren't forcing them to take care of things, like the gun safety laws, the mental health care systems, the corrupt lobbying and political systems, the questionable media ethics and the poverty and inequality systems.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not pushing on those things, you're not trying to solve the problem. [SPEAKER_02]: To say. [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, it's Thursday night. [SPEAKER_02]: We got more news on tap four. [SPEAKER_02]: You, we do have that drink of the day and we do have the wonderful Mr. John Figuelsang. [SPEAKER_02]: Come in into the bar a little bit later. [SPEAKER_02]: See, we are full of solutions and full of things for you to drink because after all, it's a bar.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thursday night with Joni Hamilton, me, Sean Smith Pierce and you, fresh enough your drink and come right back. [SPEAKER_02]: Alright. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did. [SPEAKER_02]: But we are very glad you are learning things and having fun with us here at the politics bar on a Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, since since this was requested, more than one person, different platforms requested. [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, can we have another mock, can we have more mocktails? [SPEAKER_02]: We will try to fold more mocktails in which is very good, but what is what is today's drink of the day and what is it celebrating or focusing on? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, first off, it's a, it's a, it's a non, I can speak a non alcoholic version of the beeshoe cocktail.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: And it is in celebration of Harry Johnson, which sounds dirty. [SPEAKER_01]: Harry Johnson. [SPEAKER_03]: It would have been his birthday. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: It's Harry Johnson at the bar. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a Harry Johnson? [SPEAKER_03]: You're a refrigerator running. [SPEAKER_03]: He got to Prince Albert and a can. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly exactly exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: So he was born today in eighteen forty five.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: And he literally wrote the book on bartending. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like that when somebody's like, I am really smart about this. [SPEAKER_03]: No literally there are people who are literally wrote the book on how to bartend and he was on a Russia. [SPEAKER_03]: So this is another country. [SPEAKER_03]: He was a kitchen boy at the Union Hotel in San Francisco. [SPEAKER_03]: Daddy, Daddy, you have pictures. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got some of the history.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you like that, you guys can check that out. [SPEAKER_03]: We will leave the history part up for free in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: People are looking back to it to more refined cocktails and mock tales. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: So this is this is the beeshoe cocktail, which is very good. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: What is involved in this beeshoe cocktail? [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: You need a mixing glass or a shaker. [SPEAKER_03]: Some ice. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: A coop glass or an ignored glass.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: So now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That could work. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Now for those of you that want to do it with alcohol, just listen to what I'm saying and use it with alcohol. [SPEAKER_03]: For those of you that don't, this is what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_03]: One and a half ounces of non-alcoholic gin like Monday, zero alcohol gin or cut above zero proof gin.

[SPEAKER_03]: These are all non-alcoholic. [SPEAKER_03]: They're good tasting too. [SPEAKER_02]: And we have links in the drink of the day as well. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're looking for your sources for your non-alcoholic stuff, they are just go to the drink of the day that you subscribe to, click on the links. [SPEAKER_02]: You'll get it. [SPEAKER_03]: I put it into the non-alcoholic.

[SPEAKER_03]: Liers is a great company that has really good non-alcoholic stuff that you can do with mixers and things like this. [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: So one and a half ounces of non-alcoholic gin got it one ounce of non-alcoholic sweet vermuth like liars at her teeth grow so or Dr. Zero Zero Zero Zero or no three quarters ounces of non-alcoholic aperitif like verbal Vera [SPEAKER_03]: Very good. [SPEAKER_02]: Very good. [SPEAKER_02]: Very good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So those are long spoons for those of you that don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the super long spoons that you only basically use. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Because the shakers are oftentimes kind of tall. [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't want to shake it. [SPEAKER_02]: You want to just stir it so you don't bruise the gin. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: And you do about twenty to three seconds until it's well-chilled and diluted.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because, you know, you strain the drink into a chilled cup or an ignored glass and you garnish with an orange peel or a mar-marish in a cherry before serving. [SPEAKER_03]: And go bartenders. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's give a big salute to great bartenders everywhere. [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: But bartenders work their asses off. [SPEAKER_02]: It's all those people who believe in you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, if you've had a regular tissue, it's pretty good. [SPEAKER_02]: And the nice thing, the nice thing about non alcoholic drinks is that you can oftentimes have more of them. [SPEAKER_03]: You can have all of them. [SPEAKER_02]: If you missed any part of the drink of the day, [SPEAKER_02]: just go and subscribe. [SPEAKER_02]: It is at the politicsbar.com. [SPEAKER_02]: So in the break, we were talking more about, well, solutions.

[SPEAKER_02]: And some people not saying their solutions because obviously look, we need to have solutions for gunnaids. [SPEAKER_02]: We need to have solutions to the problem of, you know, RFK junior in his ridiculous attack on healthcare and the CDC. [SPEAKER_02]: One of the solutions that you were mentioning is some of your friends talk about [SPEAKER_02]: is term limits. [SPEAKER_02]: Why is term limits not a good solution?

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, because lobbyists then will can cause, uh, when you're a freshman coming into the Congress, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like AOC or state or state legislature or wherever, right, city, city hall, whatever, right, wherever. [SPEAKER_03]: When you're a freshman, first off, you need to know where the bathrooms are, do I? [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, down Holland, whatever, great. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: But then you need to kind of learn how to make law, because that's your job.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't, you don't most people who come in don't actually, they haven't been involved in that. [SPEAKER_02]: So they don't understand the bits and bubbles of how to do that. [SPEAKER_03]: No, and you need to learn. [SPEAKER_03]: So like, AOC took Nancy Pelosi's advice, smart lady. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And so you go to the people that have been there.

[SPEAKER_03]: You don't go to, but if you have term, say, three terms or four terms or whatever it is, you're not there. [SPEAKER_03]: If only, if you're only there for four terms, you don't have enough time basically, especially in... Depending on what the term is, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That's eight. [SPEAKER_02]: What you're saying, I have a proof case. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a story. [SPEAKER_01]: Yay. [SPEAKER_02]: I know. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a proof case.

[SPEAKER_02]: So in Nebraska, they did this where they instituted term limits for the state legislators. [SPEAKER_02]: And they thought, oh, this is going to solve the problem. [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people always, oh, that will solve the problem. [SPEAKER_02]: You want to know where the lobbyist went to the children. [SPEAKER_02]: The staffers. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_02]: The legislative children as there's sometimes called the staffers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because staffers don't get paid for squat anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: We all know this. [SPEAKER_02]: Staffers, whether they are on Capitol Hill or staffing your local city hall or in your state legislator staffers don't get paid for squat. [SPEAKER_03]: They just because they want to be politicians and they're learning. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Staffers, there is not term limits on them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's no easy way to make that make term limits on staffers because of the fact that they're just staffers. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a public service job, which is why lobbyists then target in legislatures, especially state legislatures. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're living in a state that has, like I said, my home state, I still keep up with the politics, have a lot of friends there. [SPEAKER_02]: And they have said, the lobbyists all go to the staffers.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the staffers kind of have two masters, which is never a good idea and their masters are whoever on whatever issue, the whatever lobbyist is shoveling the money in whatever quote unquote legal way under the table. [SPEAKER_02]: and the elected person that they're serving. [SPEAKER_02]: You have two masters, it never works out well.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, the lobbyists still go after the elected, but they realize they'll only be there for two years or four years and one year or whatever your term is. [SPEAKER_02]: And then, but they know that the staffers can be there for ten years or fifteen years or twenty years or whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's so, so just thinking that, well, if we just slap term limits on them, well, that'll solve the problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: The only reason people think about it is because the Republicans did not like the fact that FDR got elected four times. [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, we would have no term limits on the presidency, either. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that there's somebody along the way would have probably come up with and said, oh, there should be, but term limits doesn't work. [SPEAKER_02]: Term limits is another belling the cat solution, quote unquote solution. [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_02]: It simply doesn't work. [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't like your current senator, congressperson assembly member, state senator, whatever, next time they're up for election, elect somebody. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't vote for them. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's term limits right there. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: It looked we realized one of the one of the components of gun violence is fixing the corrupt lobbying and political finance system. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a system that's local state and federal. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: These are the reason that I made those the five components of gun violence is not just on a whim. [SPEAKER_02]: It's because I've been sitting here and thinking about these issues for years. [SPEAKER_02]: And when I was working with Randy Rhodes and I came up with that list, [SPEAKER_02]: that it was something that you know, look, you got it.

[SPEAKER_02]: When I was working ready, got to pass stuff through her, and obviously she was like, yes, great. [SPEAKER_02]: So, but and she'd been thinking about it longer than I think you were of us have. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it makes sense, folks. [SPEAKER_02]: Something that doesn't make sense besides the attacking the CDC director, which is that you just got in there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So I never, never ever attack Governor JB Pritzker as a lady.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a story. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's from Fox. [SPEAKER_02]: We put it in the news on to have the day as well. [SPEAKER_02]: But Pritzker is continuing to respond to Trump and saying that Trump's actions, if he decides to follow through on that thread and send the National Guard, quote, will be met with the response. [SPEAKER_03]: Good. [SPEAKER_02]: Pritzker's not messing around. [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's not. [SPEAKER_03]: He's amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: And great.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's fantastic. [SPEAKER_02]: Just like D.A. [SPEAKER_02]: Krasner, up in in Philly, who said, you know, look, you bring that stuff in here and you break our laws. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to break yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the things that we tell people is that if you're informed, if you're armed with information, that you're generally not going to be as afraid. [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: People are worried that Donald Trump is going to send armies of ICE agents and FBI agents to their towns. [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, he sent some to a number. [SPEAKER_02]: You've seen him in LA. [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen him here in DC. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Trump is not as strong as he claims to be. [SPEAKER_02]: And the ice itself is not as strong as they claim to be either.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to ask you another question here. [SPEAKER_02]: Another quiz quiz quiz for drink tonight for fun. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, how large is ice going to be able to fully staff up after they got all this money that was in the big ugly bill. [SPEAKER_02]: How many people are they supposed to have roughly by the end of twenty twenty six. [SPEAKER_02]: So like a year and a half. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, according to Donald, like a million, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: That would be incorrect. [SPEAKER_02]: What, how many do you have a guess? [SPEAKER_02]: How many? [SPEAKER_03]: Around thirty thousand dish. [SPEAKER_02]: pretty close, yeah, twenty-six thousand. [SPEAKER_02]: NYPD has thirty-six thousand members. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just, there's that, that doesn't include the nine thousand civilian staff they have. [SPEAKER_02]: So the NYPD alone is bigger than ice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ice could not take over New York City if they wanted to. [SPEAKER_02]: Hell, the NYPD could not put down an uprising, a full, full-on, five burrows uprising if they had to, and they're thirty-five, thirty-six thousand strong. [SPEAKER_02]: So ICE is not going to come in and tackle New York City.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're also not going to go and tackle Chicago or LAPD or DCPD because among other things, if they were going to occupy one of them, they would have to try to occupy multiple ones of this and they're not going to do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Chicago, PD has about twelve thousand LAPD has nine to ten thousand DCPD has about thirty five thousand. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to be able to spread them out across the country far enough.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, in the only way that he could take over is sending the army and the Marines. [SPEAKER_02]: And once you do that, we're into a whole other conversation. [SPEAKER_02]: So I understand and look, maybe in your local neighborhood, you need to be afraid, but you should also in your local neighborhood know your neighbors. [SPEAKER_02]: Have your own neighborhood watch and watch out for the ice people and do what people are doing and alert your neighbors.

[SPEAKER_02]: Keep on high out for your neighbors, because that's what you should be doing in your neighbors, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I got my Mexican flags on my car. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we want to talk about that in the next hour. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll also talk with John Fuegel saying about all this and more. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, fresh it up your drink. [SPEAKER_02]: Go down the hall. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what you got to do? [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we aim to please.

[SPEAKER_02]: You aim to please, so we don't have to clean up too much later. [SPEAKER_02]: It is a Thursday night here at the politics bar with Jody Hamilton and me Sean Smith Pierce. [SPEAKER_02]: Get your drink refreshed. [SPEAKER_02]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_02]: We got more for you. [SPEAKER_02]: Hang on. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills in the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: You heard the little weirdness that I put in my voice there. [SPEAKER_02]: I have some fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, you don't always have to yell. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be quiet. [SPEAKER_02]: You can do weird things with your voice. [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's a good time. [SPEAKER_02]: And we are glad you are having a good time with us. [SPEAKER_02]: Hang it out here at the politics bar on a Thursday night. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you by the way for coming in.

[SPEAKER_02]: For wherever you happen to be, whether that is AM-Nine-Fifty, Minneapolis Saint Paul. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you're listening to the detour talk in Tennessee. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you're listening to America one radio in Atlanta. [SPEAKER_02]: Baby, maybe you're from Chicago listening on WCPTA, AMA-twenty. [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe you're listening on progressive voices radio worldwide, wherever you happen to be. [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe you got that podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're one of those really cool future people. [SPEAKER_02]: Future people. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm supposed to see Richard Chu. [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to be in town. [SPEAKER_02]: Bitcha, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: Tell him I said hello. [SPEAKER_02]: Tell him to reach out to me for when he comes here to D.C. [SPEAKER_02]: And because then we'll get together and we'll have a drink at a different bar. [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which, you know, I mean, look, you don't, yes, you can drink in the bar that you work at, but it's not always recommended. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just one of the, if you ask, you've worked bar, obviously, you bartended. [SPEAKER_02]: I very little bit, I actually did more. [SPEAKER_02]: So when I was, sixteen, seventeen, bar, back, eighteen.

[SPEAKER_02]: kind of yeah I was I was working at a country club in Lincoln Nebraska and I was doing I started as a bus boy and then they were like oh well you're really good people and you can talk and and stuff and you're good with memory so maybe you can do a weight staff stuff and then oh you can you can work in the the pro shop for the little thing you know you can work in the men's lounge whatever and of course you're in the men's lounge and they expect you to be a bartender even though you're you know like

[SPEAKER_02]: under age like seventeen and they're like great you're seventeen hey can you make me like um and only know legally know I can't but I can pour you something and then of course there's some of the guys because it's country club they got money and like here's a deal I'll give you a hundred if you know [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, you know, sixteen, seventeen, you're like, you promise I'm not going to get in trouble.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, yeah, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever is fine, hundred dollar tip, whatever, because it's a private country club. [SPEAKER_02]: It's their rules. [SPEAKER_03]: So I literally carted a server. [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. [SPEAKER_03]: I did. [SPEAKER_03]: We were, uh, this was nineteen ninety three, I think. [SPEAKER_03]: And I was up at Universal City Walk before it is what it is, was what it is now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And I was at this restaurant with a friend of mine, and we both ordered [SPEAKER_03]: like a beer. [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't even anything major. [SPEAKER_03]: And this child part of us. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I'm going to card you. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think you're old enough to serve me and he was barely twenty one. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you're prodding me out in a card, you. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can do this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here, okay, so in this, in this end of the bar, we have a grocery train out here, back east, call wagmans. [SPEAKER_02]: And they card for everybody. [SPEAKER_02]: At any time, anybody buys alcohol, whatever age they are. [SPEAKER_02]: So I've always like, look, if you want to make your granny or your auntie or your auntie or your auntie, you want to make them feel better, be like, look, I'm going to take you to wagmans.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you can buy some beer or some wine and then they'll card you and you don't tell them that they just I want you and you buy them and then of course when they get there because you don't tell them they're gonna card them and they will because they card everyone and then they'll go oh you just think I look so young and you shake your head at the cashier and be like oh yes [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've been carded a couple of times in this, in my late fifties.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I always go, are you kidding? [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it policy? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but thank you, card me all you want, you know? [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's, you know, if they think you look young, nothing wrong. [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I've told, I've said this before. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they say the secret to being young is, it's how you feel. [SPEAKER_03]: My mom says she feels like she's eleven.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what kind of young people that she's, you know, red-grabbing giving hugs, but you know... Actually her numbers do add up to eleven now.

[SPEAKER_02]: yes you told me this before and look your your mom your mom could she i'm sure she gives good hugs and you know and she's a she's a great freaking motivator man the people the people i know who have been motivated by your mom including myself he she's great motivator because you know she's fun and she's smart and well so were you so one fantastic reasons i i'm very glad that you know you and i are [SPEAKER_02]: having fun and hanging out in the bar, which is good.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have some interesting stuff that is in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not necessarily as happy and fun as, you know, us commenting and complimenting each other. [SPEAKER_02]: But a top floor to official has admitted in a nearly discovered email that the alligator alcatraz concentration camp will likely be empty within days, which [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I can move them some other concentration. [SPEAKER_02]: They're moving them to a, no, some in northern Florida, I guess.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But look, it's slightly safer there. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a step forward. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to get back to normal until you get this, you know, current regime out. [SPEAKER_02]: Another step forward. [SPEAKER_02]: Kilmar or Brego Garcia has requested asylum in the US for a second time.

[SPEAKER_02]: hoping to, but remember, there are at least two judges who have ruled that the government, the US government cannot deport him to anywhere until at least October, probably January, until his legal stuff gets sorted out. [SPEAKER_02]: So that is also another step forward, which is great. [SPEAKER_02]: That's yay, fantastic, wonderful. [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, there are some steps back because of the Trump regime.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ice in the state of Washington decided to try to arrest two firefighters who were literally fighting a fire. [SPEAKER_02]: A forest fire. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I saw that. [SPEAKER_02]: Middle of a forest fire. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how dumb is that yeah, they're trying to they're trying to save everyone and you're like nope, I'm gonna pick up those guys.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean [SPEAKER_02]: That's that is that that's the whole thing I've said before the team thing we go through life with a team. [SPEAKER_02]: Why would you go? [SPEAKER_02]: Nope. [SPEAKER_02]: Not those guys. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but it's like since since you didn't fire got through it a burn down your house. [SPEAKER_02]: Good for you. [SPEAKER_02]: You got the guys. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess. [SPEAKER_03]: I just it's like because there are a lot of prisoners that yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: and then they can even become firefighters after they get out, which makes sense to me. [SPEAKER_02]: Depends depends on where you're at. [SPEAKER_02]: There are places that are working on trying to allow them. [SPEAKER_03]: These people are trained and if you try them as prisoners.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and also, if you have served your time, it shouldn't be one of those things where, well, you serve your time, but now you're at X-Con, so we're just gonna, you know, blackball you for the rest of your life. [SPEAKER_02]: That's dumb. [SPEAKER_02]: If we believe in, if we believe that, if we believe in actual punishment for crimes, [SPEAKER_02]: The idea for a punishment for a crime is not that the person who committed the crime is evil for the rest of their lives.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's like saying, you made a mistake once. [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, that should be branded on your head for the rest of your existence. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, some people should be in prison for the rest of their lives, but if you are, if you're allowing a prisoner to fight a fire, which means [SPEAKER_03]: access. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, given to these people, there's certain violent weapons that are given to them to help fight.

[SPEAKER_02]: The people who are on work crews like that are people who are often extremely well behaved. [SPEAKER_02]: They have proven themselves being trustworthy. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the kind of thing of once and once somebody gets done with their sentence for whatever their sentence is. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel that they should have most of their rights restored. [SPEAKER_02]: For example, if you have, well, yeah, voting rights for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a financial criminal and you commit, there are some things you cannot do in the financial world anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand that because you committed fraud, Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_02]: You should no longer be allowed to, for example, have your own charity. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just fine. [SPEAKER_02]: You're proven untrustworthy. [SPEAKER_02]: I get that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if you've most of the crimes that are out there, most of the non-Hainus, I'm not talking about murder, I'm not talking about child molestation, I'm talking about most of your other crimes. [SPEAKER_02]: If you've done your time, whatever your sentence is, you should, and you've proven yourself to be more trustworthy again, then you should be able to go about doing things. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the whole point, you know? [SPEAKER_02]: at you.

[SPEAKER_02]: There is some other terrible governing that's out there. [SPEAKER_02]: The former Trump female leader has now admitted that the agency under Trump under Secretary Christie the Nome is delaying disaster response and lying to the American people about it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know neither. [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't tracked either, but Louisiana Publicans, they already asked Trump Supreme Court to gut the Voting Rights Act and ban use of race and redistricting.

[SPEAKER_02]: They did it again because they didn't think asking them the first time was enough. [SPEAKER_02]: This is brand new, which is insane. [SPEAKER_02]: So under Joe Biden and Kamal Harris, the Air Force was not allowed to give funeral honors to the Intersectionist Trader Ashley Babbit. [SPEAKER_02]: She's a traitor. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: She was an insurer. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, under Pete K. Breath and Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: They reverse that now. [SPEAKER_03]: And we gave her what her family went three, five million dollars or something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So just just remember Trump says he's trying to fight crime. [SPEAKER_02]: He's literally telling the Air Force to honor criminal selectionist and a trader. [SPEAKER_02]: A criminal. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: There is some good news out there. [SPEAKER_02]: The college football is tonight.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am not watching it here behind me. [SPEAKER_02]: The Husker football first game of the year. [SPEAKER_02]: They're playing since then. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure they'll be fine. [SPEAKER_02]: They're in Kansas City tonight. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're at Travis and Taylor Stadium, and I call it that because I can. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's that. [SPEAKER_02]: There's mixed. [SPEAKER_02]: I subscribe to YouTube TV. [SPEAKER_02]: I have YouTube TV.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of pissed at them now. [SPEAKER_02]: They are allowing the Magna Network OAN back, which is Oliver Darsley has all the details. [SPEAKER_02]: We have a link to that in the news on Tap Today as well. [SPEAKER_02]: There is a thing with Fox and Football and YouTube TV. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you understand carrier agreements? [SPEAKER_02]: You probably do with somebody who, yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for those of you who don't understand carriers, your cable company, your satellite company, if you have what's called an over the top company, like sling is an OTT company. [SPEAKER_02]: Will spectrum does something? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Some of them do direct that it's called OTT over the top. [SPEAKER_02]: It means basically you have like a cable subscription, but it's all through streaming. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So all of these providers, right, exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And look, your cable providers, like you were saying, Spectrum, and they have that too. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing is that all your TV channels, they have agreements with these companies to carry them. [SPEAKER_02]: And they get, for everything they get, right, they get so many cents or so many dollars or whatever in YouTube.

[SPEAKER_02]: It happens every year, a lot of the agreements come up about the time that the NFL sees and starts because the programming providers, especially if they have a sports channel in their lineup, like Fox has Fox sports one. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, the ABC ESPN Disney thing. [SPEAKER_02]: They have that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they all come back to the carriers about that time saying, well, we got these NFL games and if you don't sign the contract, people are going to be really pissed at you. [SPEAKER_02]: So YouTube TV signed a short term extension, which means that at least this first week of college football games, you'll be able to see those if they're on Fox. [SPEAKER_02]: If that's where your college team is. [SPEAKER_02]: But remember, Fox has a portfolio.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have the Fox propaganda network. [SPEAKER_02]: They have the Fox quote unquote business network. [SPEAKER_02]: They have all of those are part of this deal. [SPEAKER_02]: And I was really hoping not because I didn't want people to see their football games, but I was hoping that their contract would expire.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that suddenly millions of Americans who are not jobs and also subscribed to YouTube TV would not be able to have the Fox propaganda network pumped into their brain channels, at least for until they sign the contract, which they always will. [SPEAKER_02]: So I was a little disappointed in that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Fox Entertainment was bought by Disney.

[SPEAKER_02]: right, but this is this is that this is this is for other fox things to remind the fox sports they have fox propaganda whatever yeah, so it's [SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you guys want to know the full details, so that is in the media and entertainment section at the politics bar.com in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, it is a Thursday night. [SPEAKER_02]: John Fuckel's saying should be coming in momentarily here to the bar. [SPEAKER_02]: So, train may be a little bit late.

[SPEAKER_02]: No worries, we'll get him here. [SPEAKER_02]: I love fresh in your drink. [SPEAKER_02]: Jody and I and John will be back. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk with John about all the news of the day and about his new book, which comes out in eleven days. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't really believe it. [SPEAKER_02]: And he too, we too. [SPEAKER_02]: We will talk with you on about that and more. [SPEAKER_02]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_02]: It's John Feevel saying nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Thursday night here at the politics bar, you know what that means. [SPEAKER_02]: That means Mr. John Fughosang just in off the train from the New York Bureau hanging out with us tonight. [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing, man? [SPEAKER_02]: Eleven days till your book comes out. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I feel great knowing that no one will ever burn a flag again.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I can't tell you I say it, but that's been quite a week. [SPEAKER_00]: Why do we for us real patriots? [SPEAKER_02]: You had a good piece on that's at your sub stack. [SPEAKER_02]: We've got links to your sub stack in the news on tap today at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Please, please don't call it the Fuqua stack. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I asked folks. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I asked. [SPEAKER_02]: None of the Fuqua stack.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's, you know, that's when your wife looked at you and she says, hmm, he's stacked. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's a whole other thing in time. [SPEAKER_07]: It is. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe my wife acts that way with you, sir. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you're talking about. [SPEAKER_02]: It is good to see you. [SPEAKER_02]: I am excited for your book.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am excited to see of course separation of church and hate in my hands and of course whenever you get down here to D.C. [SPEAKER_02]: to sign it. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I can actually, you know, buy your real drink because I can't show you across all the children. [SPEAKER_00]: Sean, send me an address and I'll have assignment and choose to send you a copy. [SPEAKER_00]: So please thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you're still speaking to me after you read it, it'd be wonderful.

[SPEAKER_00]: the reviews have started coming in and it's very exciting you know there's been many books written over the years about progressive Christianity or theology or I mean so many great clergy and academics and people smarter and more moral to me have written books about how right wing politics are not compatible with the gospel message of Jesus right [SPEAKER_00]: But nobody's done it with quite as many penis jokes as made.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought, you know, what's really missing is dirty jokes is what's missing from literature to analysis. [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, reprobate that I am, um, you know, this is a book for believers of all faiths. [SPEAKER_00]: It's also a book for atheists. [SPEAKER_00]: It's all agnostic. [SPEAKER_00]: And even even concert, even nice conservatives.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody who's ever going to have to deal with an extreme right wing Christian and it goes through all the topics that divide us healthcare policy, poverty, gun safety legislation, abortion rights and LGBTQ equality, feminism, death penalty, and it shows how even if you're an atheist, if you're fighting a right wing Christian on something, chances are Jesus is on your side.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so what side would Jesus be on in the battle over the cracker barrel logo? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kidding. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a heat with they listen. [SPEAKER_00]: I am so happy to talk about the cracker barrel logo, the great cracker barrel logo crisis of twenty on twenty five. [SPEAKER_00]: I spent a lot of time, you know, working on politics and paying attention to the news and getting fought with people.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, [SPEAKER_00]: This is the story of the year. [SPEAKER_00]: It is the story of the year. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like mass commander kidnapping innocent people on the streets and Gaza is a genocide and they're stealing U.S. [SPEAKER_00]: House district in Texas and our president's abandoning me are out like as a dictator told him to and the media is so focused on the cracker barrel logo crisis and a lot of folks are cynical about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Not me.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, national nightmare is over. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: But briefly, briefly, Cracker Barrel did something that Jesus and Superman and Jimmy Carter couldn't do. [SPEAKER_00]: They've united the country. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, left wing, right wing, maga liberals, hipsters, nerds, grandma's, red next week. [SPEAKER_00]: All for like one week held hands and sang in harmony. [SPEAKER_00]: This new logo freaking sucks. [SPEAKER_00]: That's our copy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am half-southern friends and I've spent many hours of my miss spent life and cracker barrel franchises around this beautiful country my parents retired down south and I spent even I've eaten those biscuits I have sat on those porches I have stumbled through those extremely rustic gift shops and this is the first Real bipartisan achievement in decades.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you were I'm a green with a junior don't trump junior and I [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I should try or vomit and then cry. [SPEAKER_02]: You know you know why the maga folks actually really hated it because they can't read and they look at the sign and they saw the cracker and the barrel and that's how they look and they say look there's the old white cracker. [SPEAKER_00]: They're weak and they have a full diaper and they live for grievance, grievance is there.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have a welcome. [SPEAKER_02]: Aloy on your on your series. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm show before. [SPEAKER_02]: I believe. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well back. [SPEAKER_00]: Well back. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she had a great piece on that. [SPEAKER_02]: We put it in yesterday's news on tap of the politics dot politics bar dot com because [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: No, it is getting later in evening, but she actually she nailed this because so she went through the whole thing about the right wing propaganda media. [SPEAKER_02]: And how they ginned this whole thing up over the weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: Any change? [SPEAKER_00]: Any change? [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: And then Monday, some people who literally hours before had said, no big deal doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_02]: We're, you know, crucify a cracker barrel.

[SPEAKER_02]: And by Wednesday, the cracker barrel executives were like, Oh, God, it changed. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nice to understand. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Sean, it's different. [SPEAKER_00]: It's different this time, because it's not just the racist idiots getting upset. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they do this ten times a week for the racist idiots, but I mean, think about this logo. [SPEAKER_00]: They got rid of the old guy and overalls leaning on the barrel.

[SPEAKER_00]: But nothing says authentic country charm to me like a guy who looks like he just lost a family farm in a bad poker game. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a piss depressing logo and now they try to replace it with these brown words on a yellow background and you know what they said they said the colors are inspired by our biscuits. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's see McDonald's have a great logo would say.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're inspired by the color of our meat, but the maga got mad, but the maga thought the array's tradition. [SPEAKER_00]: The liberals got mad because it looked like crappy clip art and the stock dropped ninety four million in a single. [SPEAKER_00]: day. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the reason they changed it. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So they come out now. [SPEAKER_00]: And they said, I mean, it's like, they made everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you, you poisoned Thanksgiving dinner and and killed everyone, including the dog, like with your food like it's a crack of our all said, we're refreshing our brand. [SPEAKER_00]: We're modernizing our stores. [SPEAKER_00]: We want to make anything lighter and brighter. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want a light and bright cracker barrel. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want modern design. [SPEAKER_00]: I go there because it's like a hoarder's garage sale.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and it smells like bacon fat and broken reconstruction dreams. [SPEAKER_00]: And so now they've cracked and they bent and they say the old timer will remain the new logo lasted less than new coke. [SPEAKER_00]: It lasted less than one scaramot cheese. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's my favorite story of the year because it was the first time since January, twenty of the whole country agreed on something.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I am nominating the new Cracker Barrel logo for the Nobel Peace Prize. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it's called Nobel. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Nobel, Nobel Peace Prize. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Nobel Peace Prize. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_02]: Something something that was a little bit more serious. [SPEAKER_02]: We've been talking. [SPEAKER_02]: We talked a lot in our one tonight about the school shooting that was up in Minnesota. [SPEAKER_02]: And

[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of people have been concentrating on many of the negatives they've been concert especially the right way media was concentrating on always a trans person which is whatever it's it was somebody who had mental health issues and they go oh well but you notice the right is always about oh well it's mental health but they completely missed the fact that the big ugly bill that was brought to them by their orange god and all their republicans in congress cut medicare medicate

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't mean it. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't mean it. [SPEAKER_00]: They have to pivot off the guns, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So they'll say mental health when it's a white person, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: When it's when it's say a racist right wing guy killing a bunch of black folks in a church [SPEAKER_00]: They'll say, oh, it's the Confederate flag. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to take that down.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then when it's the largest massacre of white people in American history in Las Vegas, and that's where they call the largest massacre in history. [SPEAKER_00]: I ask an Indian about that. [SPEAKER_00]: Largest massacre of white people in American history, they said bump stocks. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to get rid of the bump stocks and Trump said all ban them and then Trump got rid of his own ban.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so every time they're going to find a distraction, so we're not talking about the fact [SPEAKER_00]: that there's over a hundred guns in this country for every person, forty-nine thousand gun deaths a year, a hundred thirty-four per day. [SPEAKER_00]: We have more than any other country, more children are killed in motor vehicle crashes than any other cause of death. [SPEAKER_00]: But we have this cult that worships individual rights and personal freedom.

[SPEAKER_00]: And personal freedoms means that my entertainment matters more. [SPEAKER_00]: than your kid's life. [SPEAKER_00]: So Republicans had to pivot off of this and they made it about the fact that this may have been a trans person. [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't care when another Republican was murdering people in Minnesota two months ago with silence, silence, but this one they cared about because the shooter identified his trans. [SPEAKER_00]: And suddenly this is a mass slaughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Republicans can market. [SPEAKER_00]: And so the same guys who have fought to the nail to make sure that Robin Westman [SPEAKER_00]: could legally walk into a pawn shop and walk out with an AR-fifteen. [SPEAKER_00]: They're now the people who put the guns in the hands of these criminals are now saying, see, trans people are the problem. [SPEAKER_00]: And this guy was not this woman, this person was not progressive. [SPEAKER_00]: They were far right.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, glorified, Columbine, glorified, andres brevick as right wing as they get. [SPEAKER_00]: So they got a face trans and they will count on the fact that no one will read deeper than that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's their favorite play. [SPEAKER_00]: Blame the existence of trans lives instead of their own gun laws. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't protect life. [SPEAKER_00]: They protect AR-fifteen sales.

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: And Robin also was against LGBTQ people. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Totally. [SPEAKER_00]: So they paid her. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And we don't even know if she was on hormones, by the way. [SPEAKER_03]: And I said this earlier. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, when they go with the trans, [SPEAKER_03]: girls, women shooting up people. [SPEAKER_03]: It's because women are so emotional because we're on we're emotional because of our hormones.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's about. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you know, the funny thing about that is that a women have proven they're the only gender that can be trusted with firearms in this country. [SPEAKER_00]: transgender people commit point one one percent of mass shootings. [SPEAKER_00]: Men commit ninety eight percent of the mass shootings in the society and literally the same party that made sure James Holmes could have an AR fifteen and kill twelve people in Aurora.

[SPEAKER_00]: These Republicans have made sure that Siyad Rizwan for Rook and Tashhteen Malik got AR-fifteen's to kill fourteen in San Bernardino. [SPEAKER_00]: They made a thought to make sure Omar Martín could get an AR-fifteen and kill forty-nine people in Orlando.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Las Vegas shooting guy, Nicholas Cruz, the Parkland guy, Republicans, did everything they could to make sure he could have a machine designed to kill lots of people really fast in his hands and he killed seventeen people. [SPEAKER_00]: Southern Lindsprings Church, twenty-six people, AR-fifteen, the Buffalo Supermarket, Kill Ten People, AR-fifteen, you've all day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Republicans fought for Salvador Ramos to easily buy an AR-fifteen or Daniel Defense, whatever that was, killing nineteen kids. [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans put the guns in their hands. [SPEAKER_00]: The liberals are the ones along with. [SPEAKER_00]: Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: The liberals who are fighting to make sure that these guys can't get their hands on mass kill weaponry. [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans hate.

[SPEAKER_00]: They hate that liberals want to make these mass shooters reload after ten rounds. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, they think that freedom means you should be able to fire off a solid thirty rounds. [SPEAKER_00]: It's soft bodies of children before you're forced to reload and someone can tackle you. [SPEAKER_00]: We need to act that the Democratic Party is losing on this when extended background checks is more popular than Christmas. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let them do it guys. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let them pivot. [SPEAKER_00]: They and I had them call my show last night and I asked everyone of them. [SPEAKER_00]: You support Salvador Ramos having access to an AR-fifteen and you've all the correct and not one could answer. [SPEAKER_00]: They made it about me. [SPEAKER_00]: They insulted me because they're all heavily armed cowards. [SPEAKER_02]: Look, the whole, we used to do this John.

[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about it today. [SPEAKER_02]: So when Sandy Hook happens, I was working with Randy in the Randy Roadshow. [SPEAKER_02]: And I wrote this whole piece. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking of rebuilding it and doing it again, called the five components of gun violence. [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people in the media referred to it for a number of years because she had it on her site for a long time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and we did this quiz earlier. [SPEAKER_02]: Jody and I did. [SPEAKER_02]: So I can do the same one with you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty simple. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, whether it's exactly whether it's Democrats independence or Republicans. [SPEAKER_02]: These are the five components of gun violence. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, since there's three of them, we're going to tell you which group is not helping to make things better in each of these five components.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, which one of the first one, which is let's go with suboptimal mental health care? [SPEAKER_02]: Who's who's not helping in that one? [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans, they don't want to. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't even want to destigmatize mental health care. [SPEAKER_00]: They want to drive the narrative away. [SPEAKER_00]: If they cared about mental health, causing gun shootings, they would fight for single payer. [SPEAKER_00]: They was fight for expedited care.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to spend the money. [SPEAKER_00]: They want to pass the buck because they're not pro-life in the next, they're not patriots next. [SPEAKER_02]: Amen. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Corrupt lobbying and political finance systems. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: The NRA. [SPEAKER_00]: They are paid paid to say that more guns makes America safer, which is the same as saying that more cars makes traffic better. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Republicans, again, they're the ones doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the next one. [SPEAKER_02]: Questionable media ethics. [SPEAKER_02]: Who wants the media to actually be more honest and factual and who's against actual? [SPEAKER_02]: Who's more in favor of propagating? [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is easy, obviously. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I don't really, I don't really, I mean, the media sucks, but I don't really know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think of Fox News lying about this sort of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I think of them just, you know, they promote that other point of view, but that's all, you know, that's podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: You are far more gentle about that than I am. [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: But there you go. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: So poverty and inequality, who is in favor of getting rid of it and who is wants to make it worse?

[SPEAKER_02]: Who's made it worse? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the poor will always be with you. [SPEAKER_00]: They love quoting that Jesus line out of context to justify complete in action and doing nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: So there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't want poverty to get better and they can't admit that poverty causes violence, poverty causes crime. [SPEAKER_00]: When there's more of us and we're doing better, we're all doing better and rich people do better too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever it's doing better and poor people have more money, they spend it and the money trickles up. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what Joe Biden understood and that's why Joe Biden brought America to be the country with the lowest post-COVID inflation of all developed capitalist nations and Donald Trump has been undoing it because they are owned by oligarchs. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Once again, John, who was saying is right. [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the fifth one.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fifth category, of course, is ineffective gun safety laws. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to ask you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you were saying that earlier. [SPEAKER_02]: Republicans are the ones who are doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: So look, these are the five components. [SPEAKER_02]: If you fix just one of them, you're still not going to fix the whole problem. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to fix all of them. [SPEAKER_02]: And Republicans have proven time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And again, they not only don't want to fix them. [SPEAKER_02]: They want to make every single one of those worse. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's it to be nailed. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: I just I'll get an I go if you're not talking about all of those components you're not wanting to solve the gun violence problem. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the whole thing is the guy that there was a guy literally like the day that Trump did the whole. [SPEAKER_02]: I could ban flags, which of course he can't, uh, nitrogen, eighty nine. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to remember what the, but it's the Supreme Court case. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no, you can't ban flag burning. [SPEAKER_02]: Guy literally went across the streets from the White House, banned the flood or burned the flag in the park.

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, they restaurantmen. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he made it clear. [SPEAKER_02]: He was doing it as a political statement. [SPEAKER_00]: He burned the flag in a park, which is still illegal. [SPEAKER_00]: The executive order changed nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: For always legal for is still legal. [SPEAKER_00]: What was illegal before is still illegal. [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump seems to think he did something, but it's still protected by the Constitution.

[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks he it's like signing an executive order against gravity and it's [SPEAKER_00]: It's really great to make fun of them. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even Scalia, the Republican fossilized legal pope, said it was free speech. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we can market. [SPEAKER_00]: You burn a flag in protest one year in jail, but you beat a cop after death with a flagpole. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to presidential part in a high five.

[SPEAKER_00]: This executive order has the same legal weight as a Chuck E. Cheese price coupon. [SPEAKER_00]: But you can still be prosecuted for burning flags in a place like a park where you're not allowed to set fires. [SPEAKER_00]: You earn somebody else's flag or damage them and else's property. [SPEAKER_00]: You'll still be prosecuted. [SPEAKER_00]: Government still can prosecute your protected free speech. [SPEAKER_00]: You can buy your own flag or create your own flag and burn it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's still legal. [SPEAKER_02]: There are places named. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: There are places. [SPEAKER_02]: But if that particular park he couldn't, but in theory, there are other places. [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, there are other places in view of the White House where he could have done it. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, just fine. [SPEAKER_00]: But later, again, there is madness to this, Michigan, because as stupid as he is, he knows what he's doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is not about getting fewer people to burn flags. [SPEAKER_00]: He did this to get more people to burn flags. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: Before people decide to before people decide hey, I'm going to burn a flag to show how stupid this Trump had a stupid stunt that he hates the Constitution. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to burn a flag right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Come at me man. [SPEAKER_00]: Come on. [SPEAKER_00]: He wants you to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Getting liberals to burn flags preferably on camera. [SPEAKER_00]: is one hundred percent the point of the executive order. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just about distracting from Epstein, okay? [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to distract from Epstein on a bigger. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he wants more, not less flag burning.

[SPEAKER_00]: So those images will be on news nation and OAN and Newsmax to reunite the shaky base behind him because these evil leftists who tried to burn down the flag at early. [SPEAKER_00]: I could probably write at the time that the tariffs are starting to hit Walmart. [SPEAKER_00]: He needs you to burn a flag, so he can coerce his dejected supporters that he's still fighting for them. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't be a part of his propaganda. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So Nick Sonyan.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is how he spins. [SPEAKER_00]: If you first amendment fans, if you can't see this, you don't understand how he operates. [SPEAKER_00]: This is how he spins. [SPEAKER_00]: He wants you to burn it. [SPEAKER_02]: Although I have been really cheered by the way that a lot of it's you know, it hasn't just been new some. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been Pritzker. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been more. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been walls. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a lot of governors, a hoaxle up in New York.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have been responding to Trump in kind with messaging and notes that are on the same level. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really causing some some consternation on the right because they're like [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait, wait, you, you can't do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I love, I love Pritzker, who's like, bring it. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, and did you hear D.A. [SPEAKER_02]: the D.A. [SPEAKER_02]: and Philly, uh, Crasner. [SPEAKER_02]: So, Crasner, we, we had this yesterday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we had a clip yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it in the DVR right now, but, um, Crasner was, he came out and said what I had heard a little bit of low-level talk about anyway, which Crasner came out and said on some podcast, he says, look, you send your national guard or your eyes or your FBI, whoever it is, into Philly. [SPEAKER_02]: We have laws here in Philly. [SPEAKER_02]: We have laws here in Pennsylvania.

[SPEAKER_02]: They do anything illegal. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to pick their asses up. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to throw them in jail. [SPEAKER_02]: And until we run through the courts, their asses are going to be stuck in jail. [SPEAKER_02]: So you want to say, bring it. [SPEAKER_02]: And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, they're like at the White House, they're like, maybe not, maybe we won't pick on Philly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if they want to let's see which Democratic mayor wants to be the one on Fox News for arresting a brave national guardsman as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I don't want to demonize the guard. [SPEAKER_00]: These are people who did not get into the guard because they thought they'd be carrying guns to shoot American citizens. [SPEAKER_00]: American streets. [SPEAKER_00]: They have arm national guard in DC coming soon to Chicago.

[SPEAKER_00]: In case they have to murder Americans, that's why they're doing this right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't throw sandwiches at National Garden. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm all fashioned. [SPEAKER_00]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: Throw a shoe at a politician folks. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how we did it in the old days. [SPEAKER_00]: Throw a shoe at a politician. [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy wasting food as much as the next stupid first world white male.

[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe maybe just you know, consider the guard didn't ask to be there. [SPEAKER_00]: Go after the problem. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, although if you have to worry about being convicted by Janine Piro, go ahead, use the sandwich because she can't convict a ham sandwich. [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's going to kill somebody. [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody, somebody's going to kill someone's going to kill an American citizen because Donald Trump put him there and another can state.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And also Donald Trump is Donald Trump is giving military orders to Ashley Babbot. [SPEAKER_00]: Ashley Babbot is dead because of Donald Trump's lies. [SPEAKER_00]: That is the only talking point you should have. [SPEAKER_00]: If Donald Trump had told the truth, she would still be living. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing is, is by some of these, these people, these great governors standing up and saying, you don't bring that stuff in our house.

[SPEAKER_02]: These national guard members, you're right. [SPEAKER_02]: Most of them, they have businesses, they work at businesses, they have families, they have friends, they have lives. [SPEAKER_02]: They are not in this for whatever Donald Trump thinks they're in for it. [SPEAKER_02]: And if somebody above them says, here's this illegal order. [SPEAKER_02]: And Donald Trump told me to tell you to do it. [SPEAKER_02]: I want them to stand up and say, that's in illegal order.

[SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Pound say, we'll see. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, it may come down to the military, defying orders to save the Republic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean he said he when he ran that when he ran the first time he said he would make the troops torture people and when they said that's illegal he said I don't care they'll do it for me So that's the level of contempt he has and again he said nothing but contempt for the armed forces his entire life when we look at his deeds not his public little Pagence and little little things he says Policy wise he's always at contempt for the armed forces But again, it's really easy to get a certain kind of authoritarian male and

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is there any group more easy to manipulate than the right wing Caucasian male? [SPEAKER_00]: These guys would wear a skirt for Trump. [SPEAKER_00]: The way Trump would wear a skirt for Putin. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: notice that Putin has not exactly stopped. [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he's he's continued to EU today was really pissed and rightfully so because Putin killed I think it was nineteen people in Kiev with more attacks.

[SPEAKER_02]: He actually hit the EU headquarters that is in Kiev. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's he's Putin's doing the same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to bait the EU. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but again, but but the media is playing dumb about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because the media keeps talking about the peace, peace talks and Donald Trump wants a peace deal with none of which is true. [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't Donald Trump is not Donald.

[SPEAKER_00]: They still spread this whole thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump's anti war. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he loves Putin's war. [SPEAKER_00]: He's assassinated people. [SPEAKER_00]: He's running around claiming falsely that he's ended six wars. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, seven. [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's claiming he ended ten wars. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Nine of those were games of battleship that Steven Miller let him win first of all. [SPEAKER_00]: He should know that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: JD Vans goes the other day on meet the press and he I mean it's like it's like what appeasement meets Amnesia now JD has been promoted to doing Putin propaganda and and he was talking about World War II and say oh World War II that that ended with some kind of negotiation and I'm like oh is that what it was we negotiated to Adam bombs on Japanese simply think it were who could forget when Mussolini was negotiating with his own people hanging by his ankles at a gas station I mean

[SPEAKER_00]: They're talking like World War II was a bad divorce settlement and like like Churchill and Roosevelt and Stalin sat down with Hitler and the mediator said, OK, you get Poland every other weekend, but like [SPEAKER_02]: You were at a great piece on that in your substance. [SPEAKER_00]: But the whole thing is that Putin doesn't believe Ukraine's supposed to be at so untunctory. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: He is never going to stop. [SPEAKER_00]: There are no peace talks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Peace talks are a smoke screen. [SPEAKER_00]: Putin will not stop. [SPEAKER_00]: He is going to keep killing civilians. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're trying to say, well, let's have a peace talks without a ceasefire, which is like telling the rape victim and her attacker to sit down and work this out while the rapes in progress. [SPEAKER_00]: So Lensky saying, no, they're killing our people. [SPEAKER_00]: Call a ceasefire we can talk.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they're using this to smear Zelensky and the media is letting them get away with this. [SPEAKER_00]: Zelensky knows what's going on. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Vans knows what's going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know Trump is thinking about Filaea fish, but I mean, he's [SPEAKER_02]: his he is getting I mean his it is harder and harder for him to get through a day when he's in front of the media and his failing whatever I mean he's we we've been calling grandpa around here at the bar because he is just a complete mess it's very obvious my mom who was a nurse most of her life [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I remember that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I kind of mentioned this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what your mom would say. [SPEAKER_02]: My mom, I asked her about it. [SPEAKER_02]: And she said, look, because of the swollen ankles and the swollen hands and the swollen wrists and the fact that he's they're always trying to hide. [SPEAKER_02]: She says, and this was, you know, now what a week ago or something. [SPEAKER_02]: Answer, IVs. [SPEAKER_02]: And she said, yeah, she says, I think he's got IV breathe. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she said, yeah, and I'm just sitting there going. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, that's what I thought just, you know, as a lay person, but then you ask somebody who's professional and they're like, no, no, you're, you're not wrong about that. [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he constantly is making verbal what they used to call gaffs and it's like Trump is failing. [SPEAKER_02]: I, I said it early this year. [SPEAKER_02]: I still believe it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that he's going to last the year. [SPEAKER_02]: His health, I don't think we'll make. [SPEAKER_00]: There's stuff in my fridge that will last longer than the second term, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's, there's, there's dairy products that will last longer than this. [SPEAKER_03]: It's less in mind that will last longer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but but he's gonna hurt a lot of people are in the way out and and but it's it's gonna be fastening once he's gone to be very fastening JV Vance is not gonna be able to control the multi-dance as not got the risk to get those Niagara folks to come down from the mountains in the woods in the swamp to vote like the man from TV does [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say it. [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked a lot about this. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anything bad to happen to Trump.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't wish any illness on him. [SPEAKER_00]: I wish three ghosts to visit him on Christmas Eve and make him a good person. [SPEAKER_00]: But let's just take a moment to imagine what it would be like to see Trump's funeral. [SPEAKER_00]: And there is a very healthy Joe Biden with the other president sitting in the first row. [SPEAKER_00]: How about that? [SPEAKER_00]: How about Joe Biden attending Donald Trump's state funeral like an ex-president supposed to, huh?

[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, howdy. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you something folks, invest in popcorn and Taco Bell before that happens. [SPEAKER_00]: because it's going to be dead Trump and chill. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be glued to our sets. [SPEAKER_00]: When Donald Trump, you know when the president dies and they cut into your family feud to show, in the middle of the day, the box and the car on the runway, we're like, oh man, I'm trying, we're all going to watch the box and the car in the runway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump cares about ratings so much and the irony is he will get the greatest ratings of his life because he's freaking dead because he's dead. [SPEAKER_00]: Not here to pee, not here to pee on his grave, he might enjoy it, just saying that's true. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a hundred percent agreement with you on that they will break into college football. [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it's still be cheering.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Donald Trump won't be going to heaven, but about two thousand NDAs will. [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Wolff's gonna have to write nineteen books the week from size. [SPEAKER_02]: He's obviously been been gathering information for it. [SPEAKER_02]: He's got some thing on the with the daily beast and he's always been like, well, I could tell you, but I can't tell you, but I have all this information. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, yeah, I don't know if it has him on your shoulders.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's trash, but it's righteous moral trash. [SPEAKER_02]: John, we love having you here at the bar on Thursday nights. [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, of course, people can listen to you every single week, night on serious XM progress, which they absolutely should do. [SPEAKER_02]: They can listen to your podcast at any time. [SPEAKER_02]: They can go to your sub-stack and subscribe. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, buddy, John, because, you know, it's a good thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And although, you know, depends on what you want to do. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't expect to stick dollars down his G string. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just not something to cost more. [SPEAKER_00]: But that got that you have to be a premium subscriber. [SPEAKER_00]: There's an option here.

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