Preparation, Not Paralysis

[SPEAKER_03]: He's a political. [SPEAKER_12]: He's a political. [SPEAKER_04]: He's a political. [SPEAKER_12]: He's a political. [SPEAKER_09]: Jody is out today. [SPEAKER_09]: She's on vacation this week. [SPEAKER_09]: So we have the one the only Jared Rizzy in the house filling in. [SPEAKER_09]: Your hair is not quite as red as Jody's just a suggestion. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just it's very great. [SPEAKER_10]: You still look home. [SPEAKER_10]: You look handsome. [SPEAKER_10]: You look handsome.

[SPEAKER_10]: You look handsome. [SPEAKER_10]: You look handsome. [SPEAKER_10]: I have age. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, like a presidential turn. [SPEAKER_09]: And of course, the last ten years has aged all of us. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, we've got. [SPEAKER_09]: We've got some news recording to that according to that going to that look. [SPEAKER_09]: It's Monday. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm a little tired from the weekend.

[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe you guys saw Donnie's talk going with the Latin Putin on Friday. [SPEAKER_09]: We talked a little bit about that on Friday. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll talk more about that. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll talk more about the meetings of the White House today with the Ukraine's President and a lot of the Biggies from Europe as well. [SPEAKER_09]: Big thank you, by the way, to all of you who are listening on all of our great affiliates.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_10]: And I made her watch it the first time. [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, the first, first, and the one month in, and she's like, why did you make me watch this? [SPEAKER_10]: It's so depressing. [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, I thought it would help. [SPEAKER_09]: No, the opposite. [SPEAKER_09]: That's brondo. [SPEAKER_09]: No anyway. [SPEAKER_10]: What's the drink minimum here at the beginning? [SPEAKER_09]: I'm usually, you know, I've come in.

[SPEAKER_10]: There's yes, but there's you feel like I need to be drinking. [SPEAKER_09]: There's no drinking minimum. [SPEAKER_09]: There is drink maximum. [SPEAKER_09]: Don't don't make sure you're on the floor. [SPEAKER_09]: That's that's important, especially because you're the co-host and that would be a good thing. [SPEAKER_09]: We do have the drink of the day, though, which is excellent. [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, it is a very fantastic drink of the day that is celebrating women and voting.

[SPEAKER_09]: And if you are already subscribed, you already know we're talking about. [SPEAKER_09]: So look, you should subscribe to that as well. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, Jody said, Jody set that up before she left. [SPEAKER_09]: We love her. [SPEAKER_09]: She's fantastic. [SPEAKER_09]: So I have to do so little. [SPEAKER_09]: So easy. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, as a guest host.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, you know, we try to set this up so you can just roll on in and have fun and deal with things like, for example, Putin getting, you know, just he got completely over on trouble. [SPEAKER_09]: And the thing is, it's not hard. [SPEAKER_09]: Not only is it not hard, it was so easy to see that it was what was its September of twenty twenty four, the only debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_09]: Literally, she called the shot almost a year ago.

[SPEAKER_09]: Here, I'm going to play this from the DVR. [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump were president. [SPEAKER_00]: Putin would be sitting in key right now. [SPEAKER_00]: And understand what that would mean because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine. [SPEAKER_00]: Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president. [SPEAKER_00]: And that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland. [SPEAKER_00]: And why don't you tell the eight hundred thousand Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.

[SPEAKER_10]: Cobble Harris was right. [SPEAKER_10]: No question. [SPEAKER_10]: Not since Babe Ruth has a shot been called. [SPEAKER_10]: So accurately. [SPEAKER_09]: So far. [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, or a tatively. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: She's way out there in front. [SPEAKER_09]: And look, it's everybody knew that he's thing is Trump was all like, I'm going to put down sanctions and I'm going to [SPEAKER_09]: Did he do any of that by the way?

[SPEAKER_10]: And what's fascinating to me, Sean, what's fascinating to me is the level of, you know, we could call whatever we want, we could call a taco, we can call it. [SPEAKER_10]: But the level of them tying themselves up and nuts to pretend that the things that they said days [SPEAKER_10]: hours ago, even. [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Are not being contradicted by what's happening right now.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was actually funny because for once for one, I mean, Fox Fox does this thing, you know, they're they're the broken clock. [SPEAKER_09]: They're right, you know twice a day. [SPEAKER_09]: And that's it at most. [SPEAKER_09]: And Jackie Heinrich, who is the conclusion of our broadcast did you play? [SPEAKER_09]: Did you you did worry was Jackie there when you were there at a yes. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, there was a little bit of overlap.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: What's your honest take about her? [SPEAKER_10]: Fantastic. [SPEAKER_10]: You actually like context of like a Jennifer Griffin or someone who knows what's going on very talented. [SPEAKER_09]: How she shovels the crap that is put through that White House press room every day is beyond me because she she obviously couldn't shovel it on Friday night after put got over on trouble. [SPEAKER_09]: Here's what she said.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was just very unusual, a typical, and I think we're all waiting, you know, the readout because the way that it felt in the room was not good. [SPEAKER_05]: It did not seem like things went well, and it seemed like Putin came in and steamrolled. [SPEAKER_05]: It got right into what he wanted to say, and got his photo next to the president and then left. [SPEAKER_10]: Bingo. [SPEAKER_10]: Someone who was a White House reporter for a decent amount of time, a little bit of context.

[SPEAKER_10]: Sure, usually you would go into a summit like this. [SPEAKER_10]: A lot, a lot, months, maybe years of staff work, talking about people who are trying to make sure that things are agreed to in advance. [SPEAKER_10]: You've got a lot of information about who's going to be in the room. [SPEAKER_10]: Information about, you know, what recording devices might be left right afterwards. [SPEAKER_10]: But just the amount of work.

[SPEAKER_09]: And instead, and you wouldn't do things like, for example, you know, leave secured documents on the printer to holiday in. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, just does a suggestion. [SPEAKER_09]: But that is, but that is where they get all of their expertise from the holiday. [SPEAKER_09]: I was right.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, but here's the thing that does explain why the Trump administration thinks they're great because they're like, you're like, you guys are idiots and they're like, yes, but we stayed in a holiday and expressed last night. [SPEAKER_10]: And you're like, well, we're doing while we're doing commercial reads from thirty years ago. [SPEAKER_10]: I also think that maybe some of them are real men of genius.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, here, like in contrast to actual presidency, actual president, where you do the staff work in advance. [SPEAKER_10]: This and you have actual experts do it. [SPEAKER_10]: You have actual people who have experience in the, yeah, right. [SPEAKER_10]: Sorry about that. [SPEAKER_10]: When you elect a reality TV president, you get a reality TV level production. [SPEAKER_10]: They're very interested in making sure that his makeup is eighty five percent on his face and end of list.

[SPEAKER_10]: And that is kind of disastrous when you're in Swordsfolly the day today. [SPEAKER_09]: As we were as we were, you know, getting ready to come in here to the bar. [SPEAKER_09]: They're still talking Trump and the European leaders and he'd had that that somewhat presser earlier with about what was about a twenty five thirty minute presser with the Wednesday. [SPEAKER_09]: And it was, I mean, that the presser with Solansky this time was [SPEAKER_09]: It was nice.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was, I mean, it was not the, you know, sneak attack on Zelensky. [SPEAKER_09]: Like last time it was not, they were cordial. [SPEAKER_09]: They were, you know, whatever. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, Sean, of course it was nice. [SPEAKER_10]: We didn't hear a damn word from J.D. [SPEAKER_10]: Vats. [SPEAKER_10]: He kept his Teddy Rucksbyn with a creed cassette and it mouth shut. [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, I'm very not my joke.

[SPEAKER_10]: That is I think an onion joke, but it is an accurate representation. [SPEAKER_09]: I love the onion. [SPEAKER_09]: We love the onion here at the politics bar because quite frankly not only do we know the editor and chief and owner, but the politics bar actually would subscribe to the onion in a physical form. [SPEAKER_10]: I get where we physical bar. [SPEAKER_10]: I get the print copy. [SPEAKER_09]: You do see once a month. [SPEAKER_09]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_09]: I favorite piece of mail I get. [SPEAKER_09]: See, this is this is the kind of thing where it's like, look, a great old bars. [SPEAKER_09]: You subscribe to all the newspapers. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you'd get your, you'd see your New York Times and your Washington Post there. [SPEAKER_09]: Whatever. [SPEAKER_09]: This is back when they were still pretty good. [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, if they were really good, they would have an onion. [SPEAKER_09]: So back in the day.

[SPEAKER_09]: So this one. [SPEAKER_10]: But here's the thing. [SPEAKER_10]: So let's do the success of this event as an event where people weren't eviscerated. [SPEAKER_09]: Which one? [SPEAKER_09]: The Putin event, the Zelensky event, or the EU leaders event, because all of these three, as you're saying, in any normal administration, you wouldn't have put them back to back to back over like a four day thing. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just not, they don't do that.

[SPEAKER_10]: JD Vance talking as little as possible contributes to the success of all of those events. [SPEAKER_10]: That's what I will say. [SPEAKER_10]: I will say that with my Jared is right. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_10]: My first one of those. [SPEAKER_10]: I'll never forget where I was. [SPEAKER_09]: But look, seriously, JD Vance. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, the best thing that I can say about JD Vance was already said by a fantastic musician who was no longer with us.

[SPEAKER_09]: For those of you who watched the Stephanie Miller show, you know what I'm referring to, the JD Vance is a, and I'll just leave it there because some people know it. [SPEAKER_09]: If you don't, you should listen to Stati Miller just saying. [SPEAKER_09]: But, um, long and short, the, the, the slap dash nature of the Putin thing, leading into today. [SPEAKER_09]: I was, I was concerned, obviously.

[SPEAKER_09]: When you say slap dash, do you mean how the president was walking on the red carpet? [SPEAKER_09]: No, that was more like, for those of you missed the footage. [SPEAKER_09]: I think we've got some of the footage in one of the clips that is in the news on Tap today, near the top there about Trump getting nothing. [SPEAKER_09]: He looked like he was drunk as he was going down this red carpet. [SPEAKER_10]: Doesn't drink famously, but yeah, whatever's going on.

[SPEAKER_10]: Whatever drugs he's being prescribed to take. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Wow. [SPEAKER_10]: I've bold worst games than him on that carpet. [SPEAKER_10]: That was the... [SPEAKER_09]: Well, here's the thing. [SPEAKER_09]: So then today, he gets into this thing with Zelensky, and he was, they were vague.

[SPEAKER_10]: They weren't answering to really specific questions, which, by the way, is normal for these kinds of events that don't want to always, you know, but keep the cards close to the best sometime. [SPEAKER_10]: That's not completely abnormal. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that was, that was actually surprisingly normal because, you know, it wasn't Trump giving everything away.

[SPEAKER_09]: But before this, before he met with Zelensky earlier today, [SPEAKER_09]: He was on his social media platform and he was echoing Putin's position. [SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't last a year. [SPEAKER_09]: And you're sitting there going, OK, dude. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, the only thing we've said this the whole time this bar has been open. [SPEAKER_09]: I've said it for ages beforehand for years beforehand. [SPEAKER_09]: Jody has, too.

[SPEAKER_09]: The only thing that's necessary for this war to end is for Vladimir Putin to pick up his Russian troops and get the hell out of Ukraine. [SPEAKER_09]: That's it. [SPEAKER_10]: Amen. [SPEAKER_09]: That's it. [SPEAKER_09]: That's that's you want to have this war ends? [SPEAKER_09]: Flag goes home. [SPEAKER_09]: That's how this war ends. [SPEAKER_09]: That state's not complicated, but it is the way that it is.

[SPEAKER_10]: So we will among the things that they've reversed themselves on in the last couple of days was talking about article five protections for Ukraine, even though they're not a net member of NATO. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, basically it would defend that. [SPEAKER_09]: Like protections. [SPEAKER_09]: And then Putin kind of said, well, I wouldn't entirely be a hundred percent against it, but he didn't say that he was a hundred percent for it.

[SPEAKER_09]: And as much as we know, because we don't know a whole lot because this is not a professionally run foreign policy shop. [SPEAKER_10]: That's just that's now we're saying there's no ceasefire. [SPEAKER_10]: There's no NATO. [SPEAKER_10]: He wants land concessions. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we'll see.

[SPEAKER_09]: When we get out of the bar tonight, I'm definitely going to go and look and see because you got to remember there are seven of Europe's most powerful leaders that we're meeting with him earlier today. [SPEAKER_09]: They will all have readouts from everything that went on and everything that the cameras and mics didn't necessarily catch. [SPEAKER_09]: So we will be able to buy tomorrow, evaluate a lot more of what happened today.

[SPEAKER_09]: But at least, hey, at least Donald Trump didn't poop his pants on camera. [SPEAKER_09]: Wow, that's, and I get to come back and do this again with you tomorrow. [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_09]: A week. [SPEAKER_09]: And, and we have some great guests coming up this week. [SPEAKER_09]: Today, we have Brooklyn Dad to find in the house, and Parker Maloy, she is coming into the bar here very shortly.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, look, come back, get yourself a fresh drink, and we'll have Parker Maloy in the house. [SPEAKER_09]: See, you gotta have one of the house. [SPEAKER_09]: We've got one. [SPEAKER_09]: She's gonna be here. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll be talking about all this and more. [SPEAKER_09]: Get your drink fresh enough, hang on. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_09]: It is a Monday night here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_09]: And she's got all kinds of great stuff on there. [SPEAKER_09]: Kind of knocking out Chris Cuomo and Chip Acosta's little AI weirdness. [SPEAKER_09]: The Sydney Swiny non-troversy. [SPEAKER_09]: That a really good piece. [SPEAKER_09]: We're definitely going to talk about this one. [SPEAKER_09]: The government is now deciding what history museums can display. [SPEAKER_09]: Parker, welcome to the bar. [SPEAKER_09]: How you doing? [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, oh, I mean, I'm doing okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: All things considered. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you know, I mean, hey, that's a different show. [SPEAKER_09]: Well played. [SPEAKER_09]: No, look, I mean, the whole thing is that there are many other jobs you could have that would be much worse. [SPEAKER_09]: For example, being on the state department team that has to go to Alaska for Donnie's beat down by Vladimir Putin and they end up leaving documents that have secured information on the printer at the holiday in.

[SPEAKER_07]: What the hell? [SPEAKER_07]: As as one does. [SPEAKER_09]: I suppose if one, you know, is like a producer for Fox, maybe, but, you know, if you're actually in the state to, oh wait, they never mind. [SPEAKER_09]: I remember that's already fine. [SPEAKER_09]: I forgot they moved the producers from Fox to the state department, sorry. [SPEAKER_10]: I do think this is the please print boomer generation coming home to Roost.

[SPEAKER_10]: We're finally they've been like, oh no, you know, we can only campaign on document security when we're out of power. [SPEAKER_10]: And when we're in power, we need you to please tell us what to do with this PDF. [SPEAKER_10]: We don't know. [SPEAKER_09]: It's possible, but I mean, it's, I mean, look, you had, you had the pieces where you saw where you had Cuomo, Chris Cuomo, and Jim Acosta, who were doing ridiculous stuff with AI.

[SPEAKER_09]: Do you honestly think Parker that this weird tech stuff is somewhat related to the lack of experience, the age?

[SPEAKER_07]: I, I think some of it, like some of it is, you know, this sort of like, you know, middle-aged way to not know, you know, especially the, how dare you, the cost of like, like having, having that, that interview with, because for those who don't know, basically, so Jim Acosta from formerly of CNN now of [SPEAKER_07]: his own thing the japan cost show right he's got his own show and blog on sub stack yeah uh he interviewed the in AI that was based on

[SPEAKER_07]: one of the parkland shooting victims. [SPEAKER_07]: Like one of the ones who died with the AI is supposed to be like what he would have been like if he was still alive. [SPEAKER_07]: And it was really weird. [SPEAKER_07]: And the whole time, the whole time, Tuma Costa's interviewing him, he's just got this, there's this, wow, wow, wow, this is so insightful, this is amazing. [SPEAKER_07]: He was really blown away by this.

[SPEAKER_07]: And it was, but all the responses were just kind of, [SPEAKER_09]: chat GPT I mean that's kind of what it was there are there's there's a story we didn't get in in the news on tap today the politics bar dot com about this this nice young woman who ended up committing suicide unfortunately of because she used chat GPT as as like a mental health counselor or something there are all kinds of

[SPEAKER_09]: horrible and awful stories of people doing bad things, doing dumb things because they're asking what is little more than [SPEAKER_09]: I'm older than both of you, so I don't know if you guys will remember this or not. [SPEAKER_09]: Back in the day, they had the Apple II, Apple II E computers throughout all these elementary schools. [SPEAKER_09]: Some of the some of the poor in schools had those for many years passed. [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, I played Oregon Trail in one of them.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so you remember, okay. [SPEAKER_09]: Did either of you ever play this program called Freud as in Sigmund Freud? [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think. [SPEAKER_09]: No. [SPEAKER_09]: So it was a very poorly drawn graphical representation of Sigmund Freud, and you could type in any question you want, and it would return responses.

[SPEAKER_09]: And you're going, oh my God, you're like, this was literally like, I don't know, thirty, almost forty years ago, must have been close to forty years ago. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, forty years ago or so. [SPEAKER_09]: And it's the same basic technology as what they have in chatGPT. [SPEAKER_09]: All that the program was looking for was for you to be happy with the response.

[SPEAKER_09]: Whatever response that so whatever data it had access to it would try to use that to give you the response. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not actually thinking it's not actually giving it just says, oh, well, I want you to be happy. [SPEAKER_09]: So it's like there are stories of in the past of people say, oh, a horse is good count. [SPEAKER_09]: No, the horse read your body language really well.

[SPEAKER_09]: And it would keep stopping its hoof until it had done it to the exact number of times when you started to react and go, oh, yeah, that's the right answer. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not thought. [SPEAKER_09]: These, these, these quote unquote AI bots are not, they're just, they're just, they're not AI. [SPEAKER_09]: They're not artificial intelligence. [SPEAKER_10]: On the plus side, Laura Lumer is losing arguments to God. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I can enjoy that forever.

[SPEAKER_09]: I hope a lot for those of you who don't know is a extreme right wing nut job who happens to have the ear of Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_10]: Grock for those of you who don't know is an extreme right wing nut job created by Elon Musk. [SPEAKER_09]: That's that's the AI for Twitter. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. [SPEAKER_09]: And so these two extreme right wing nut jobs were having a fight and Grock basically said, yeah, everybody thinks you're a problem to her.

[SPEAKER_09]: And she's like, I am not a problem. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just like, well, here's the public evidence. [SPEAKER_09]: Just saying. [SPEAKER_07]: It's kind of funny because in in this in responding to her grock list listed some of the sources, which I think is kind of interesting because it kind of you can get you get a little window into which sources. [SPEAKER_07]: Elon is weighing higher than others on there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Nice. [SPEAKER_07]: Because it's like then here's the New York Times and the Washington Post and Breitbart. [SPEAKER_07]: It's like why is Breitbart that's high up. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's like I like clearly they're not going to [SPEAKER_07]: point to like media matters reporting, but that's what media matters is probably written more about Laura Loomer than anyone else on the planet.

[SPEAKER_09]: Probably probably some good news by the way with media matters over the weekend. [SPEAKER_09]: That's in the media matter section of the news on tap today federal judge blocked the Elon Musk spurred retaliatory FTC investigation of media matters and blasted Trump's actions as alarming. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like they're more than alarming, but at least I'm glad that they've they blocked the attack on media matters, which is great. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, hey, is that tape?

[SPEAKER_07]: That is Tatertop. [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, Tater! [SPEAKER_09]: See, we have dogs in the bar too. [SPEAKER_09]: We allow them in our bar because that's just how that is Tatertot is awesome. [SPEAKER_09]: Tatertot is great. [SPEAKER_09]: We love Tatertot. [SPEAKER_09]: If you have not seen, just Tatertot still have, I think, is it an Instagram, or? [SPEAKER_07]: I think we combined Tatertot and our other dog Cassie into a single Instagram. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's Chicago Gremlins.

[SPEAKER_09]: Ah, yes, that could be it. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. [SPEAKER_09]: Tatertot and casserole. [SPEAKER_09]: Let's Cassie's full name. [SPEAKER_09]: So, yes, you know.

[SPEAKER_09]: that's how that's how that's how that's how we know that your wife are totally absolutely one hundred percent Midwestern if nobody else had any any guess yeah I mean and then my my dog before before tater taught was meatball yes so got to keep got to keep with the food them [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they are cute enough to be like, oh, you're cute enough to, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_09]: I just, you know, I love, I love Pups and yours are cute.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, they, they are keeping me, keeping me company this week as my wife's, my wife's out of town every year, she goes to, she goes to camp, which is amazing. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, like, writer's camp or so, she, a few years back, she was just like, I want to do an adult summer camp. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so she found an adult summer camp that like is specifically geared like aimed at LGBTQ adults and like they have people there from age like twenty five to like seventy five and it's like that's really cool. [SPEAKER_07]: So she goes there every every year for one week and then that's the week where I get to watch all my terrible movies and saving on Netflix and HBO Max. [SPEAKER_10]: And what are you most excited to watch without your spouse?

[SPEAKER_07]: Last night, I watched on Netflix, Kpop, Demon Hunter. [SPEAKER_10]: I haven't seen it yet, I've heard so good. [SPEAKER_07]: It is so good. [SPEAKER_07]: I cannot wait. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I know it's for kids, but it's. [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to go there because I was like, well, you know, Jared has a kid so that that's possible, but I don't. [SPEAKER_09]: You're like, you know what? [SPEAKER_09]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_09]: It's like cotton candy.

[SPEAKER_09]: You're just like, I'm just going to do it. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, there are things that I look forward to watching without. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, like, I'm a huge doctor who person my wife is like, tepid at best. [SPEAKER_10]: And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this when you're gone. [SPEAKER_10]: So I get, I get what we're coming from. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, it's not demon hunters. [SPEAKER_10]: We'll also be on that list for me.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's that's one that I went at first came out. [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, I'm not sure this is going to be her thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wait. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, let's tell me. [SPEAKER_09]: And we all we all think have spouses that aren't as involved in politics or involved is paying attention to politics as politics as we are, but [SPEAKER_09]: And I mean, we have been paying attention.

[SPEAKER_09]: And one of the things I've been paying attention to is obviously the occupation of DC. [SPEAKER_09]: Now Jared lives in DC. [SPEAKER_09]: He lives in the districts just for the records of Parker and I and everybody here in the bar know how was your DC neighborhood experience this weekend as opposed to like last Thursday when you were in the bar. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, truly more and more and more of federal presence.

[SPEAKER_09]: Are they menacing or are they just absolutely menacing? [SPEAKER_10]: They are taking people in my neighborhood and I am not, I mean, I'm not at a really CD part like the National Mall or the Lincoln Memorial or Georgetown Cupcake. [SPEAKER_10]: I am in Northeast DC, almost in Maryland, but I will tell you [SPEAKER_10]: It's still here. [SPEAKER_10]: It's still in my neighborhood still picking people up.

[SPEAKER_10]: My neighbors off the streets and I am actually watching a dog this for the next. [SPEAKER_10]: We lost my dog a couple months ago for the next couple weeks I'm watching a friends dog and I was gratified that I hadn't excuse to go out and meet my neighbors because I literally had several interactions where I was checking in with people and had that community moment. [SPEAKER_10]: I would not have had that.

[SPEAKER_10]: If it made me miss my dog, but it also made me realize how important it is to get out there, to talk to the people physically present in your community. [SPEAKER_10]: My kids and my friends, kids, my one kid, and I, we all were participating in some noise making on Friday night, which was a very nice protest that was very child friendly. [SPEAKER_10]: We got a lot of people honking at us, the good kind, and we yelled a lot of people who didn't honk at us.

[SPEAKER_10]: And that was a lot of fun to let my kid see the version of me that is essentially a hooligan. [SPEAKER_10]: That was a fun way to show that side to my five year old. [SPEAKER_10]: But no, I mean, it's it's scary. [SPEAKER_10]: It's like January. [SPEAKER_10]: It's the extended release January six is what's happening right now. [SPEAKER_09]: It's it's worrisome in the sense that you worry that something could happen.

[SPEAKER_09]: For example, [SPEAKER_09]: There, if you're ordering food, I've seen about three different stories where the board off their ass, federal, whatever the hell you want to call them, federal forces, have basically gone after people who are food delivery people, who many times are immigrants. [SPEAKER_09]: And they I guess they tackle the guy in a moped and then they're like, Oh, no, no, he's good. [SPEAKER_09]: He's fine. [SPEAKER_09]: They you're sitting there going.

[SPEAKER_09]: The hell is wrong with this. [SPEAKER_09]: But there is some good news in the sense that Friday night, they knew the Trump regime knew that they were going to ask handed to them by federal judge on the way that they were trying to go after take over the police department. [SPEAKER_09]: So they backed off and they said, well, we're [SPEAKER_09]: We don't have to completely take over. [SPEAKER_09]: We just want you to work with us.

[SPEAKER_09]: Just make sure that you give some of this information about immigration stuff to ICE. [SPEAKER_09]: But otherwise, we're not going to try to make you because they knew that they would lose. [SPEAKER_09]: But overall, they keep stepping up the potential threat level. [SPEAKER_09]: You've got, who is it? [SPEAKER_09]: There are national guard people who are coming in from three different states, Ohio and West Virginia and a belief in Carolina.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, which I'm like, [SPEAKER_10]: What do you finally get to occupy after a hundred and sixty years? [SPEAKER_10]: I think it's great. [SPEAKER_10]: They're fine. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I mean, the federal government has been edging South Carolina for so long. [SPEAKER_10]: I can't say that. [SPEAKER_09]: I feel a bump, feel a bump had a fantastic piece about this.

[SPEAKER_09]: We put this in the news on Tampa Day because there are more people facing violent crime in Ohio, South Carolina, West Virginia. [SPEAKER_09]: Then there are people in DC. [SPEAKER_09]: I just like this is stupid. [SPEAKER_09]: Parker, you got to experience with the Texas Democrats coming to Chicago. [SPEAKER_09]: There were some bomb threats we heard. [SPEAKER_09]: But otherwise, was it pretty much normal in Chicago?

[SPEAKER_09]: Not a whole lot of extra violence, not a whole lot of. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Katertata has decided he wants to sit on my lap. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he's like yeah, I'll be on whatever. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'll be on here. [SPEAKER_07]: He likes the microphone. [SPEAKER_07]: He likes the microphone. [SPEAKER_07]: Wait, what was your question? [SPEAKER_09]: What was it? [SPEAKER_09]: Is Chicago normal right now? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Chicago's normal.

[SPEAKER_07]: I went to the movies over the weekend, so no problem. [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no mask men in unmarked vans. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: So you're not experiencing the same thing that Jared is. [SPEAKER_09]: And you didn't have to worry. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, the the Texas Democrats who were there in in Chicago, they moved.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that way, they didn't have to worry about the bomb threats, but you didn't have any bomb threats in your neighborhood. [SPEAKER_09]: So [SPEAKER_09]: see a lot of America still very calm very chill and there's a lot of DC that actually is mostly calm but it's the threats of potential violence that is very concerning and we definitely we we want to talk about that obviously [SPEAKER_09]: We want to talk about the threats to things like the Smithsonian Museums.

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[SPEAKER_09]: All right, so we were in the break talking about how DC is, I mean, it's scary right now as Jared noted, but it is not as scary as it could be, but you had this really good point, Parker. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so yeah, no, go ahead, go ahead. [SPEAKER_07]: Basically, you know, if none of these guys, you know, I see B.P. [SPEAKER_07]: whoever.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, if none of them are identifying themselves and they're not wearing their badges and they're covering their faces, what's the stop people from just doing that and abducting people? [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: And there are have been reports of people in different places across the country who have done just that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Random guys who are like, you know what, I'm gonna put on my camel, I'm gonna put on my vest, I'm gonna put on a face mask, I'm gonna have my gun and I'm gonna try to get somebody in a van. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, when Sean does the voice, it makes me wonder, has Sean been doing this. [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, I want them. [SPEAKER_10]: I want them to do it on in a standard ground state. [SPEAKER_10]: That's what I want to do. [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I can guarantee it's a problem that'll solve itself. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's going, it's going to happen. [SPEAKER_09]: And that is it's something that a lot of people are fearing.

[SPEAKER_09]: There were people that I was watching, um, legitimate news, legitimate journalists who were [SPEAKER_09]: paying attention and saying as they keep flooding these national guardsmen into DC, we are one parent shot away from starting a civil war because if nobody remembers, that's kind of how the first one here in the US started. [SPEAKER_09]: So it is concerning. [SPEAKER_09]: And once again South Carolina leading the charge.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: What's more concerning in some ways politically to me is, and this is more of a long-term thing. [SPEAKER_09]: So Jonathan last, over the board, had this really good piece. [SPEAKER_09]: And had a different title on it. [SPEAKER_09]: We titled it in the news on tap today that maybe Republicans have always been fascists. [SPEAKER_09]: And so he had some discussions here in the last few days.

[SPEAKER_09]: And long and short, his discussion boiled down to the folks that we're seeing on the right now, the Trumpas. [SPEAKER_09]: This is their natural state. [SPEAKER_09]: that the state that we have understood that a lot of us who grew up in between the time of let's say, oh, I don't know, nineteen fifties to nineteen nineties, where we thought Republicans were, you know, a lot of us didn't like their policies, but they were otherwise mostly harmless.

[SPEAKER_09]: and what Jonathan last and some of the people on some of his chats that we're talking about is no, no, no, the more fascist version of the Republican party is actually the norm. [SPEAKER_09]: That's that's the normal that what we're seeing now with these, let's flood the streets and carry guns and scare people and attack things like facts and history, like at this at the Smithsonian Museum, that that may actually be the natural state of the Republican party.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I can't dispute that. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if either of you two can. [SPEAKER_09]: I sent, I sent it to after my friend Bruce Bartlett. [SPEAKER_09]: He's busy, so he hasn't sent anything back when he does, I'll let you know. [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, Bruce is, he's very much a buckly conservative. [SPEAKER_09]: And he's very, Bruce is harmless. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, mostly. [SPEAKER_09]: He's very gentle.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's a nice guy, but you're like, [SPEAKER_09]: What the hell? [SPEAKER_09]: Even even we've had similar discussions he and I in the past. [SPEAKER_09]: And this is it's along those lines of is this the new normal for anybody on the political right? [SPEAKER_09]: Or is this the state that they always were?

[SPEAKER_09]: And the aberration was that time when most of us last fifty years or so grew up and were like, well, they have bad ideas, but at least they're not complete monsters. [SPEAKER_09]: Am I making any sense at all? [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I'll throw it back to what Parker wrote on the present age, which is, we now have the people who are mad about what's in the museums, who are most likely descended from the people who fired the hoses and wanted to segregate the schools.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's like, well, my dad didn't like when those people were coming into our schools and now my kid isn't going to be allowed to read about it in books or see it in the museum. [SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to, that's a very poor summary of what you've written Parker.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sure. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I can kind of just, so for those who don't know, so what's happening was a few months back, Trump signed an executive order claiming that American museums have been taken over by a, quote, divisive race centered ideology. [SPEAKER_07]: I wish.

[SPEAKER_07]: This administration set letters to eight, eight major Smithsonian museums demanding they turn over basically everything, exhibition texts, internal emails, budget documents, visitor surveys, [SPEAKER_09]: All of this stuff has gotta be coming from Stephen Miller. [SPEAKER_09]: It's all from Stephen Miller. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and so the museums now have four months to make what they're calling content corrections to align with celebrating American exceptionalism.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they've already started making changes. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, there was the change that the Smithsonian made earlier this month where they removed any mention of Trump's to impeachment from the presidential tree. [SPEAKER_09]: And they put it back, but they couch didn't really soft language. [SPEAKER_07]: They did.

[SPEAKER_07]: And at least, thirty-two artifacts have already been quietly pulled from the African-American history museum, including Harriet Tubman's hymn book and Frederick Douglass's autobiography. [SPEAKER_07]: And then the women's history museum, which hasn't even been built yet, has been told that cannot include trans women. [SPEAKER_09]: Which is, go horse crab because trans women are women. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but at the same time, it's like this is, it's not even open yet.

[SPEAKER_07]: You're inventing something to get mad about. [SPEAKER_09]: What? [SPEAKER_09]: I, I just, I don't understand. [SPEAKER_09]: I, why, why stop doing what works? [SPEAKER_09]: I know. [SPEAKER_09]: True. [SPEAKER_09]: They, they do live in a fantasy land and manga world. [SPEAKER_09]: They do not live in the real world.

[SPEAKER_09]: And it is, [SPEAKER_09]: It's frustrating in all kinds of ways, but I did know that they were going to, I have some neighbors who work in different places, and I did know that certain, let's just say that some of the things that are being done at some of the museums are being done in the same way that certain museums and historians in Germany and in Europe did things before the Nazis, which is both terrifying and also somewhat good,

[SPEAKER_09]: in that people are having the foresight to make these things go places where they can be safe. [SPEAKER_09]: But it is appalling to me that we are dealing with that. [SPEAKER_09]: It is off the wall nuts. [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just one of those things that the hypocrisy of it all [SPEAKER_07]: And I know that there's just there's always hypocrisy going these days.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but the fact that for the past however many years these guys that on the right have been pretending that they're free speech advocates right you know when when they're they've never been they've always been the most they've always you know when it comes to things like quote unquote cancel culture it's like the right has always kind of led that [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_09]: Very much.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: The thing with Bud Light, you know, if you came back with Bill and Mulvaney, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Like she's great. [SPEAKER_07]: She's freaked out and just because she didn't have read on her Instagram, you know, it's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_09]: She's great.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's so it's just like [SPEAKER_09]: I have to ask you something that there is something along these lines because I've been very glad about what Gavin Newsom has been doing about stepping out and stepping up and punching back especially the way that he is using Trump's media style against Trump. [SPEAKER_09]: But I still have issues with Gavin Newsom being wishy-washy on trans issues.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I had a discussion with one of our other friends that was here in the bar here a couple weeks ago about this. [SPEAKER_09]: Carlos, I was rocking. [SPEAKER_09]: And I just look to me, I'm sorry, but I start with trans rights or human rights, trans people are people, period. [SPEAKER_09]: And if you can't start there, then I got a problem. [SPEAKER_07]: Right, both.

[SPEAKER_07]: One thing that that, you know, when when I think about it, it's it's like obviously it's like I'm trans so so trans rights are very important to me and will. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: Usually be the number one thing that I that I care about, you know, when it comes to whether a politician will get my support or not.

[SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: But I can say that while I do still have like I would love nothing more than because I've posted that I'm never new some like that I do not want I will not vote for him but you know what I'd love to have to [SPEAKER_07]: read those words back and be like, ah, I was wrong and I voted for him because he did of complete one eighty on trans stuff and he was awesome. [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, for now, I still have my questions.

[SPEAKER_11]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: I do think that this strategy that his team has been going with of mimicking Trump style is really smart because it forces the same media industry that will, you know, [SPEAKER_07]: basically, you know, St. [SPEAKER_07]: Wash Trump's words, you know, are now having to grapple with like, well, oh, well, Gavin News wrote something in all caps. [SPEAKER_07]: How do we deal with that?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, well, how have you been dealing with that with Donald Trump? [SPEAKER_07]: That's exactly it. [SPEAKER_07]: That's one thing that I think is fantastic. [SPEAKER_09]: I need to. [SPEAKER_09]: I've seen that and I have seen and I have seen some of those same people, both in the media and seen their audiences running into that. [SPEAKER_09]: When Trump said they did it, they were like, oh, that was brilliant. [SPEAKER_09]: Now that Gavin Newsom does it.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're like, oh, that's dumb and stupid. [SPEAKER_09]: And somebody are even on their side goes, um, dude, these are the same thing. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: And they're going, uh, uh. [SPEAKER_09]: Like no, it's different when Trump posts an AI generated image of himself or like or like the one that we have that I grabbed from Joe Joe that is on the in the collage today at the news on tap of Gavin Newsom writing on the back of a dinosaur with guns.

[SPEAKER_09]: You're like, yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry, just borrowing some of that strange stuff. [SPEAKER_09]: There is some strange stuff. [SPEAKER_09]: There is something I have to ask you. [SPEAKER_09]: Meredith Schiner, one of your fellow Chicagoites, one of our fellow political people, very good, very ethical journalist coming in tomorrow. [SPEAKER_09]: She's a socks fan, you're a cubs fan. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. [SPEAKER_09]: Would you like to throw some shade her way?

[SPEAKER_09]: Just saying, I'm not trying to start anything. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's one of those things where if we have we're having this conversation, let's say a couple weeks before the trade deadline, I would, one hundred percent be [SPEAKER_07]: be throwing all sorts of shades. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but as it stands now, the my beloved Cubs are eight games out of first place because they are in.

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, they're in the same division as the Milwaukee Brewers, a team of destiny. [SPEAKER_09]: I, yeah, you know, honestly, I, I, I, I'm, I'm low to name any one team a team of destiny, but the brew, I mean, it's so good. [SPEAKER_09]: They just lost last night, but they had fourteen wins in a row. [SPEAKER_09]: And they have no big names on their team. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just a bunch of people who want to go out and play baseball and win.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like, that's freaking crazy and also great. [SPEAKER_07]: And I just checked in the brewers are currently feeding the cubs, three nothing. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, hey, excellent. [SPEAKER_09]: Sweet. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, no offense. [SPEAKER_07]: No offense to the nine games out of first. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, you know, another step back for the movement. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, at least you're not a, you're not a Rocky's fan. [SPEAKER_09]: I am not a Rocky's fan.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'm an ass. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm an ass fan and that sucks bad enough. [SPEAKER_09]: We're, yeah, we're in the basement there, too. [SPEAKER_09]: Parker, we never have enough time with you. [SPEAKER_09]: We would love to have you back again another time. [SPEAKER_09]: All right. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_09]: Parker, we'll be coming back at some point here. [SPEAKER_09]: Jared and I, we've got to do the drink of the day.

[SPEAKER_09]: We've got more news on tap. [SPEAKER_09]: We've got Brooklyn Dad, Defiant. [SPEAKER_09]: It is a busy Monday. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, and we are definitely going to be laughing at Donald Trump more because, well, [SPEAKER_09]: That's what you do. [SPEAKER_09]: Here, it's Paul's Xbox. [SPEAKER_09]: Come on. [SPEAKER_09]: All right, get your drink fresh enough. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll get that drink of the day to you. [SPEAKER_09]: If you got to use a facility, ignore the Rdam Hall, whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: Look, we aim to please your politics bar. [SPEAKER_09]: You aim to please, all right? [SPEAKER_09]: All right. [SPEAKER_09]: Come on back, hang on. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be right back after we face some bills of the politics bar. [SPEAKER_03]: Let it go. [SPEAKER_12]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_12]: Ready? [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, show them! [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's different saying that I do miss Joni.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, well, we'll check in with her later in the week, but it is very good to have you because you and I. I do too. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, she just has, although I was very glad that we just had Parker in the bar because you know what, we needed to have that feminine energy, Parker brought it. [SPEAKER_09]: It's a good thing. [SPEAKER_09]: Otherwise, we just quote Anchorman back at each other. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's just... There's a little of that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, there's a little testosterone in the bar this week. [SPEAKER_09]: But you know, look, we've got some great people. [SPEAKER_09]: We've got Meredith Schiner, who is coming into the bar tomorrow. [SPEAKER_09]: She's a fantastic journalist if you didn't know her. [SPEAKER_09]: We obviously have Karen, and later in the week, John Fugle, saying, more guests too. [SPEAKER_09]: So this is Sean. [SPEAKER_10]: We'll bring a lot of estrogen. [SPEAKER_10]: I do think.

[SPEAKER_09]: Hey, look, I am a caring person. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't mind, you know, look, you got to have a little of each. [SPEAKER_09]: And I have no problem with that. [SPEAKER_09]: My biggest problem is, well, obviously, Donnie. [SPEAKER_10]: And all I was like, do we have enough time for all of these? [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I mean, he's just, he's just an idiot.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so today, in here, about what specifically, Sean, the, okay, that we don't have enough time because I cannot list you all of things on which Donald Trump is an idiot. [SPEAKER_09]: If we did that, we would be here for another, you know, couple of centuries.

[SPEAKER_09]: But, um, so, [SPEAKER_09]: today before the big meeting with all of the European leaders and Zelensky had this little spread we talked about this hour one so twenty five thirty minute thing with Zelensky out of blue some jackass as sims about asks him about asked trump about this thing that he said on social media over the weekend about we're gonna get rid of mail-in ballots [SPEAKER_09]: And it wasn't just a fluke. [SPEAKER_09]: He wasn't just, you know, talking out his butt.

[SPEAKER_09]: Here's here it is from the DVR. [SPEAKER_06]: We're working. [SPEAKER_06]: Mailing ballots are corrupt. [SPEAKER_06]: Mailing ballots. [SPEAKER_06]: You can never have a real democracy with mailing ballots. [SPEAKER_06]: And we as a Republican party are going to do everything possible that we get rid of mailing ballots. [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to start with an executive order that's being written right now by the best lawyers in the country.

[SPEAKER_06]: to end mail-in ballots because they're corrupt. [SPEAKER_06]: And you know that we're the only country in the world, I believe, I may be wrong, but just about the only country in the world that uses it. [SPEAKER_06]: You're wrong. [SPEAKER_06]: Because of what's happened, massive fraud all over the place. [SPEAKER_06]: The other thing we want change are the machines. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_09]: Donnie, donnie, donnie, donnie.

[SPEAKER_10]: Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful to mention the voting machines on the same day that Newsmax settles for, I think, sixy seven million dollars paid to Dominion. [SPEAKER_10]: We have that line in the news on top of voting machines.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly same day same day as Jared noted that that is in the news on tap today that he literally no joke mentions the voting machines on the same day which as I've mentioned to you before folks here in the bar Donnie happens to be you know you mentioned to anchor man Jared and he has he has this trait I have mentioned this before where Donald Trump talks about whatever is on his mind

[SPEAKER_09]: And I would not be surprised if somebody mentioned him the newsmax, sixty seven million dollar settlement over the twenty twenty false election has that involved them lying about the voting machines. [SPEAKER_09]: That's exactly what happened. [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's that's what he does that's that was that was what he did when Katie Turr asked him a question the first question and he comes back with bothered by the weather.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, by the way, Russia, are you listening? [SPEAKER_09]: Go get Hillary's emails. [SPEAKER_10]: And that's when you said there and go what the hell he has there wasn't there another clip we had about the the him kind of speaking over himself a little bit or saying there was there was a particular oh there's a couple from today including the Republic of condo when he was talking about which I mean

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, he said he said the public of condo was going through a thirty-year war, which I'm like, look, I understand that you're a property developer, but no, there is no republic of condo. [SPEAKER_09]: There was another one though. [SPEAKER_09]: I think we have it today, don't we? [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we do have the license plate one. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, okay, because he was talking about voting. [SPEAKER_09]: This is him talking about voting. [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to stop. [SPEAKER_06]: mail-in ballots because it's corrupt. [SPEAKER_06]: When you go to a voting booth and you do it the right way and you go to a state that runs it properly, you go in, they even ask me, they ask me from my license plate for a dinner, if I said, I don't know if I haven't, he said, sir, you have to have it. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm very impressed, actually. [SPEAKER_09]: they do not require your driver's license.

[SPEAKER_09]: If you're licensing, if you're going to vote, well, they do, but it's not the same thing. [SPEAKER_09]: It's also not a license plate. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's what I'm talking about. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they don't want to license. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they shouldn't. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm so frustrated because I just eat the number of ridiculous things. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's one of the great reasons why, you know, we get some clips from Aaron Rupert. [SPEAKER_09]: We get some great clips from Asin because [SPEAKER_09]: They can sit there and watch this stuff and not throw tomatoes at their computer because I certainly would be doing that. [SPEAKER_09]: I would be so.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, aside from the fact that you don't need the ID and the ACLU has been working really hard to make sure that that's something that, you know, [SPEAKER_10]: Look, the right to require. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: Also Trump should be making license plates somewhere. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, he should be looking. [SPEAKER_09]: He should and he should not have the right to vote today.

[SPEAKER_09]: By the way, the drink of the day goes along with the right to vote goes along with the women's with women's right to vote, which we realize it to Kegbreath, Heg Seth, and his hypermessage andistic cult leader Doug Wilson. [SPEAKER_09]: And a lot of the insels in Magaland would rather women didn't vote at all. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, but guess what? [SPEAKER_09]: Today, uh, hundred and twenty five years ago, the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified into law that allowed women to vote.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that is why the drink of the day today is the suffragette cocktail. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: It's a good one. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: It's very nice. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, [SPEAKER_09]: I will go through this because you are the guest host and I am the regular host and I understand how Jody does this. [SPEAKER_09]: But you all can judge me.

[SPEAKER_09]: You can you can get on our social media and and you judge how well Jared and I are filling in for Jody are pretending to be Jody. [SPEAKER_09]: You can go on the first guy or threads, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook or Substack at the politics bar and tell us. [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, so drinkably, but it's with you. [SPEAKER_09]: Nice, poorly. [SPEAKER_09]: P.O.U.R. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you will need to do some pouring here for the drink of the day for the suffragette cocktail.

[SPEAKER_09]: You're going to need one Nick and Nora glass. [SPEAKER_09]: Remember, it's a little bit smaller, but it's not bad. [SPEAKER_09]: You need a mixing glass or a shaker. [SPEAKER_09]: We're not going to shake. [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to stir. [SPEAKER_09]: You need one and a half ounces of good gin. [SPEAKER_09]: You need three quarters ounces of sweet for [SPEAKER_09]: Three quarters out of drive or move, two dashes of orange bidders and a lemon twist for garnish.

[SPEAKER_09]: So here's how you combine them for a suffragette cocktail. [SPEAKER_09]: You add the gin, the two kinds of a move, and the bidders to the mixing glass or shaker, then you add ice and you stir. [SPEAKER_09]: If you shake it, you're going to bruise it. [SPEAKER_09]: It will not taste the same. [SPEAKER_09]: It will taste a little bit more. [SPEAKER_09]: It put it this way. [SPEAKER_09]: You wouldn't need the bitters. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just, it's not.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the bitters actually even it out. [SPEAKER_09]: It's good thing. [SPEAKER_09]: So you want to add ice and stir, strain it into your pre-chilled Nick and Norglass, and then express that lemon twist over the drink and drop the peel in. [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, drink up. [SPEAKER_09]: And remember, keep helping good women to vote and vote for great women candidates at all levels.

[SPEAKER_09]: like some people did not do last year just saying just just just saying make sure you're registered and make sure that you can get out there and vote for great women if you missed the drink of the day or any of the show you can always subscribe to the politics bar dot com preparation is important whether it's getting people register to vote or putting your Nicaragua glass in the freezer about

[SPEAKER_09]: about twenty thirty minutes before your time show me the drink not totally iced exactly see chair knows this he's you know he's he's done some drinking in his time he's worked in a restaurant or two what look preparation has actually been helping in good news today there's some fighting forward news some good folks down in Arkansas flip the anti abortion playbook they have now opened their own crisis pregnancy center

[SPEAKER_09]: So it's basically like if you took a planned parenthood, you took the planned parenthood label down and put up crisis pregnancy center and the people on the right went, okay, I don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_09]: and then you kept the smart stuff going inside and actually helping women. [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm glad that some of the some lefties look. [SPEAKER_09]: It's very similar to what Newsom is doing by mimicking and mocking Trump with his own words and his own style.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's, okay, you want to play that game? [SPEAKER_09]: Then let's be exactly like you except we actually have integrity and souls and science, brains, intelligence, heart. [SPEAKER_10]: It's everything that you get at the end of the Wizard of Oz. [SPEAKER_10]: It's hard. [SPEAKER_10]: It's courage and it's brains. [SPEAKER_10]: And I guess a ticket to Kansas. [SPEAKER_10]: The last one is actually optional.

[SPEAKER_09]: Unless you're writing a brother David and then he will want you to go back to Kansas because that's where all these stuff is right now. [SPEAKER_09]: But anyway. [SPEAKER_10]: I do think there's there's some genius here, which is to essentially say, okay, if you are going to allow this ridiculous exception to the law to put these crisis pregnancy centers and say anything can be in this box.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, we can actually just put a real support for actual science and reproductive health in the in the spin of the box. [SPEAKER_10]: It's, I don't love it, but I guess I'm an even storm. [SPEAKER_09]: But I think, well, and I think that's kind of the thing. [SPEAKER_09]: As, as you noticed, Parker saying in, in our one, Parker, boy. [SPEAKER_09]: She's a trans woman. [SPEAKER_09]: She's a great woman. [SPEAKER_09]: She's a brilliant writer. [SPEAKER_09]: She's brilliant person.

[SPEAKER_09]: She's, you know, good baseball person. [SPEAKER_09]: I just fun to hang around. [SPEAKER_09]: And she was noting that while she has some issues with Gavin Newsom, she can definitely see herself still, maybe voting for him, even though he's been kind of wishy watching something. [SPEAKER_09]: But this has a, I don't have a clothespin big enough for my nose, Sean. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, look, here's, here's the thing. [SPEAKER_09]: Here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: And you and I have talked about this, you know, off air and and you before we were in the bar today and everything. [SPEAKER_09]: We have to understand that in order to win, the tent needs to be big enough. [SPEAKER_09]: We can't write everybody off. [SPEAKER_09]: We have to also remember that while we want as many people as possible on our bus, we want everybody from Joe Walsh to Zaron Mandani in our bus.

[SPEAKER_09]: We want to make sure that the people who are driving the bus are closer to the Zorn MemDannies than we do that your Walsh is no offense Joe, but that's just, you know. [SPEAKER_10]: All I can say is I think Parker put it correctly by saying, if he fixes his heart on this, on the same issues. [SPEAKER_10]: And we've got otherwise get off the bus. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we've got a lot of time between now and twenty twenty eight.

[SPEAKER_09]: We need to win the elections in twenty twenty five first. [SPEAKER_09]: Then we need to win the elections in twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven. [SPEAKER_09]: And then we'll get to twenty twenty eight. [SPEAKER_10]: But there are people back to Merlin Ballets by the way, I'm saying this is how this is how this is how the right is planning on not letting that happen. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's one of the ways that they're going to try to steal elections.

[SPEAKER_09]: The Democrats in Texas, they are going back. [SPEAKER_09]: They have gone back, but [SPEAKER_09]: I made about that, too. [SPEAKER_09]: That you shouldn't be because look, there are not enough Democrats to stop it forever down there. [SPEAKER_09]: One of the things the Texas Democrats did was to get people like Gavin Newsom up off the sidelines and say, you know what, screw it. [SPEAKER_09]: He got, he got J.D. [SPEAKER_09]: Pritzgrope off the sidelines.

[SPEAKER_09]: He got a New York governor and Marilyn's governor and [SPEAKER_09]: These folks are going to be pushing the same way that Ohio and Florida and Texas are pushing. [SPEAKER_09]: So, and as we've done the numbers, we've done the PVI before. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, the PVI generally says that they Republicans when they try to re-jerry manner are going to actually make their seats more winnable for Democrats.

[SPEAKER_09]: They, right now, they have a lot of safe seats and it's not going to be as safe. [SPEAKER_09]: So because they've basically jerrymandered to the max that they've been able to. [SPEAKER_09]: Texas is a perfect example. [SPEAKER_09]: They have jerrymandered living hell out of it in Texas.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I can't even remember who did a an assessment of the the partisan voter index, the PDI in Texas, which has as it sits right now, all the districts that Republicans have in Texas are a PDI of like plus fourteen. [SPEAKER_09]: In order for them to take seats away from Democrats, they are going to have to take the PBI down to like a plus eight, a plus nine.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that means that those seats are winnable by Democrats, especially when you add up, then a lot of Americans are mad about the big ugly bill. [SPEAKER_09]: They're going to be even more mad about getting their health insurance taken away from them. [SPEAKER_09]: They're going to be mad about a lot of these things and hate Republicans in general. [SPEAKER_09]: That's going to be maybe a five point swing toward Democrats anyway.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, Republicans are [SPEAKER_09]: They're doing what they do. [SPEAKER_09]: They threaten a lot. [SPEAKER_09]: They throw a lot of shade, but they don't have a lot of facts on their side. [SPEAKER_09]: You've made me slightly less mad. [SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully we'll make you even less mad as we talk more about the news of the day Brooklyn Dad Defiant. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, thank you. [SPEAKER_09]: Coming into the bar and he's always good to make everybody laugh.

[SPEAKER_09]: He is, you know, he's working on a good piece. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll talk about it with him as well. [SPEAKER_09]: And of course, we will talk a little bit of entertainment news as well. [SPEAKER_09]: Some movies, some music. [SPEAKER_09]: Keep it here. [SPEAKER_09]: It is a Monday night. [SPEAKER_09]: Here at the politics bar, freshen up your drink and come on back. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_09]: Monday night, here at the politics bar, the one the only Brooklyn dad to find Mr. Machine, dancing his way into the bar. [SPEAKER_09]: You know what, he's not saying anything, but his shirt says it all. [SPEAKER_09]: His shirt is is loud and beautiful. [SPEAKER_09]: Fantastic. [SPEAKER_09]: Why in shirt? [SPEAKER_09]: Reminds me why there's a holiday coming up with why we will have to do a while you related drink in the drink the day later.

[SPEAKER_09]: Mr. Machine, how you doing, huh? [SPEAKER_09]: How's your Monday night? [SPEAKER_08]: Aloha. [SPEAKER_08]: There we go, huh? [SPEAKER_09]: And Mahalo. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_09]: Obviously, I'm not sure if you have met Mr. Rizzi before. [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm just saying that first. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, let's go by DC Dad depressed.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if that's trying to... [SPEAKER_10]: That is that an infringement on your IP. [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_10]: I did that. [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_08]: That's all you buddy. [SPEAKER_10]: There's they have a pill for it now, but it's been it's for the tough time. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, look, I am not, I am not entirely depressed. [SPEAKER_09]: I, you know, I'm not obviously. [SPEAKER_09]: I am not a polyanage person, but I do try to keep positive.

[SPEAKER_09]: And there, look, there are plenty of things to [SPEAKER_09]: to look around and be positive. [SPEAKER_09]: Obviously, the way that the Gavin Newsom has been doing things you're good, but there's some good entertainment news as well. [SPEAKER_09]: A federal judge, I mentioned this in an hour one, has blocked Elon Musk's a retaliatory attack of media matters, which we like.

[SPEAKER_09]: Cincinnati Reds did in the Milwaukee Brewers franchise record for teen game winning streak so for those of you who are reds fans and I know at least one of you who is I'm I'm sorry James I don't understand you but that's fine whatever whatever whatever this look our listeners all have the day they they all

[SPEAKER_09]: have different things they like Julie by the way big big listener I've always post back to us on substack she says I'm finally glad to see the dams finally having some backbone she was referring to obviously you know what's been going on with

[SPEAKER_09]: Gavin Newsom and his stuff we we talked a little about this with Parker have you seen it's it's in the news collage that this one was you know our friend our our mutual friend Joja from jurors sent out her sub-stack earlier today and it had this this AI-generated graphic of Gavin Newsom writing I believe Velasa Raptor with two guns blazing [SPEAKER_09]: And he's got the full. [SPEAKER_09]: He's got like the twelve pack. [SPEAKER_09]: He's a super muscle.

[SPEAKER_09]: And you're going, oh my God. [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, he is, I mean, Newsom is hitting back at Trump in ways that he and his people, they don't know how to handle because he's hitting them back in the same ways that Trump delivers all of his garbage over media to everybody else. [SPEAKER_08]: I am a huge fan of what Gavin Newsom is doing. [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's hilarious.

[SPEAKER_08]: I wonder why the heck we haven't already been doing this for such a long time because what Donald Trump does is so [SPEAKER_08]: It's so over the top outrageous, right? [SPEAKER_08]: And people just kind of accepted as normal. [SPEAKER_08]: So now when it's reflected back on them from a so-called normie, like Gavin News, and they're like, whoa. [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, uh, it's just on becoming a governor. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I'm proud with the president.

[SPEAKER_08]: Brooklyn Danny's right. [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_10]: He's testing, he's testing a really brilliant theory, which is if the media has one special boy that they let do whatever the heck he wants could the media have. [SPEAKER_10]: Special boys. [SPEAKER_10]: I do think that is an interesting theory worth testing.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, and look, I mean, you know, especially because you're you used to hang with some of these people in the White House press corps and it was just me and the Velociraptor.

[SPEAKER_09]: But some of those same people are the same types of people who, at least the, you know, the Jake Tapper types, really hate when somebody like me would do something like this to them and put them in a box and make them deal with, you know, which of these things is not like the other, like used to on Sesame Street or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: And you go, I'm sorry, but when they're doing the same thing, when you've got Gavin Newsom, [SPEAKER_09]: doing the all-caps thing, putting out some of the ridiculousness, but also putting out substance. [SPEAKER_09]: And then these people just like you were saying, BDD, you know, oh my God. [SPEAKER_09]: And yet the thing that hits them first is that it's unbecoming and second of all, that Newsom still actually has some substance behind what he's saying.

[SPEAKER_09]: Trump doesn't. [SPEAKER_08]: I just saw earlier today. [SPEAKER_08]: Gavin Newsom had posted something like posted a picture of one of those right wing. [SPEAKER_08]: It's like a right wing influencers got along here and and the the text was like thanks a lot Nancy mace and then. [SPEAKER_08]: And I think Tommy Lauren like. [SPEAKER_08]: clap, you know, try attempted to clap back on this thing. [SPEAKER_08]: How dare you, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then Gavin Newsom's office replied, you sound really woke. [SPEAKER_08]: And then I just lost it. [SPEAKER_08]: That was, that was the win. [SPEAKER_09]: They told they clap back to Tommy Larry and they were she was saying about him was that that she sounded really, which is hilarious. [SPEAKER_09]: That's, that's funny.

[SPEAKER_09]: Cause look, [SPEAKER_09]: They want, they want to be able to have a set of rules, where they can, you know, operate according to these set of rules, but everybody else is bound by these set of rules over here. [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't work that way. [SPEAKER_09]: If, if you're gonna, if you're gonna be able to have the rules, everybody's gonna have the same rules and applies to everybody across the board.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that's, look, this is, this is not, this is, politics is not golf, politics is not sports in general, but golfers especially. [SPEAKER_09]: Rick Riley, great writer over the years. [SPEAKER_09]: He did a piece basically about how Trump is an absolute awful golf cheat. [SPEAKER_09]: This was a few years back when he wrote this. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if either of you guys remember this.

[SPEAKER_10]: Um, yeah, but anyone who watched the video of his catty, just like placing that ball. [SPEAKER_09]: There are more than one. [SPEAKER_09]: There's more there. [SPEAKER_09]: There's like, I think it's just the most recent of them.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah, I think I've seen in the last month, I think I've seen like four different clips of Trump's catty, just randomly dropping a ball in a space that would be convenient much much better placing than where he and his ball actually landed.

[SPEAKER_09]: anybody who is a who actually respects the sport and is a golfer has said that Trump's cheating on golfing tells a lot about the person tells a lot of who he is so it's interesting to me that you know that the list of golfers who have gone with I don't know Scottie Sheffler has golfed with Trump or not

[SPEAKER_09]: uh... mentions shafler in the uh... Ukraine thing today of all that it's like we're in the middle of a completely serious and actually quite important that's where i was going presidential event and it's like yeah why are we talking about and i'll try to mention that scottie shafler one his fifth pj a victory of the year which yeah yeah good for shafler whatever but at the same time it's like why are you mentioning this

[SPEAKER_09]: I, to me, it's, it's, if I were Schaffler and I was one of those people who who feels that way about golf, I would feel offended because you'd take in my name and drag it into the mud with you because I don't want to be associated with Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_10]: I will, I mean, Sean, all we can assume is that everyone that the president mentions casually is in the Epstein files. [SPEAKER_09]: And the only way the president can clear Schaffler is to show us all the Epstein files.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, I know. [SPEAKER_09]: But look, the fact of the matter is, it's also one of those where this goes to what we've been saying the whole show, which is Donald Trump just repeats everything that he sees on TV. [SPEAKER_09]: You know that he must have been watching like an old episode of Taxi or something. [SPEAKER_09]: And because, okay, here, check this out, BDD.

[SPEAKER_09]: This was during, well, there's other channels, but look, this was during the same meeting that he mentioned Scotty Schaffler. [SPEAKER_09]: This was when he was meeting with Zelensky. [SPEAKER_09]: Here, here that it wasn't. [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to stop mail-in ballots because it's corrupt.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, when you go to a voting booth and you do it the right way and you go to a state that runs it properly, you go in, they even ask me, they ask me for my license plate for it. [SPEAKER_06]: Then if I said, I don't know if I haven't, he said, sir, you have to have it. [SPEAKER_06]: I would be very impressed actually. [SPEAKER_09]: So they asked you for your license plate, Grampi, in order to vote. [SPEAKER_10]: They literally don't do that anywhere. [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: Just prying it off the back of the car. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: This is the law. [SPEAKER_10]: I have to do this. [SPEAKER_08]: So I can go in and vote.

[SPEAKER_08]: So he's he's riff on the mail-in ballots thing was a continuation of, you know, Vladimir Putin apparently in [SPEAKER_08]: planted seed in his very shallow brain about, you know, the, the perils of male and voting and, you know, you know, he said that he said that the pressure on Friday. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: You always want to take your cues on democracy from a dictator.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, yeah, the Vladimir Putin's like, you can't, you can't, you can't have the democracy, you have a million vote. [SPEAKER_08]: Don't work. [SPEAKER_08]: It's like he says, bro. [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, that's, that is, it's one of those were used to there and go, I, I, and here's the, here's the thing that I have not seen a whole lot of national media folks state. [SPEAKER_09]: Voting in the United States is not controlled by the federal government for the most part.

[SPEAKER_09]: It is controlled at the state level. [SPEAKER_09]: States have most of the control over that. [SPEAKER_09]: That's part of the, the whole tent amendment agreement that we have, where we do a butt. [SPEAKER_10]: Come a butt. [SPEAKER_10]: It's not just about [SPEAKER_10]: what the states are allowed to do. [SPEAKER_10]: He's also setting up a wish list for Republican governors to do what they did the last few times.

[SPEAKER_10]: He had he complained about this, which is make voting more onerous for everyone in your state. [SPEAKER_10]: And we're setting up, he's, look, you can't just claim it's rigged the day after election day. [SPEAKER_10]: You got to start. [SPEAKER_10]: You got to set that low and slow to cook for a couple years. [SPEAKER_10]: By the time it's ready, it's really nice and tasty. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, I mean, it's got to be that's, that's, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Look, the thing is that especially on this particular issue, this is one where he has tried this. [SPEAKER_09]: He tried this in his first regime, went to court, got his ass handed to him. [SPEAKER_09]: They tried it again, got his ass handed to him, got his ass handed to him because it's the kind of thing where even in states where Republicans control it, yes, they may want to mess it up. [SPEAKER_09]: They may want to completely screw it up.

[SPEAKER_09]: But they want to screw it up in their own way. [SPEAKER_09]: They don't want you to screw it up for them. [SPEAKER_09]: They want to screw it up themselves.

[SPEAKER_08]: Sure, and I think that the difference this time, though, is like, I don't disagree with you, but there's a major difference this time in that we're dealing with a different, more emboldened, less restricted Donald Trump, like there's nobody standing up to him, especially in his own party, you know, like the even the the governors, you know, Greg Abbott is [SPEAKER_08]: is going against a longstanding tradition of doing the redistricting right after the census.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's now he wants to do well and there are laws and things too. [SPEAKER_09]: That's the thing is that people got to remember. [SPEAKER_09]: The small things that we do aren't really all of that, they aren't that small. [SPEAKER_09]: There's a good, there's another good piece. [SPEAKER_09]: We get a lot of good pieces today in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_09]: One of them, and from Ellie Mistahl, one of our members of our, our legal bar here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_09]: And yes, it's about being tired, but it's also about the energizing power of small acts of fighting back, of noncompliance. [SPEAKER_09]: The fact that [SPEAKER_09]: We can't just look and say, well, hell, they're going to win. [SPEAKER_09]: They're going to win at all all of this. [SPEAKER_09]: So we're just going to, there's no chance in us winning. [SPEAKER_09]: There's no chance in us stopping them. [SPEAKER_09]: There's no chance.

[SPEAKER_09]: And you were bothered earlier, Jared. [SPEAKER_09]: We're talking about this. [SPEAKER_09]: The Texas Democrats going back. [SPEAKER_09]: They're going back. [SPEAKER_09]: There's a second session. [SPEAKER_09]: There are not enough Democrats in the Texas legislature to perpetually stop the Republicans from doing whatever they want.

[SPEAKER_09]: But what Texas Democrats wanted to do in that first special session, the first thing that Texas Republicans wanted to do was redistricting above everything else, above everything else. [SPEAKER_09]: Now redistricting is like, fifteenth or sixteenth on the list of things that the Texas House has to go through in this special session.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying that they can't, I'm not saying that the Texas Democrats will be able to stretch out the session long enough to push that off the docket. [SPEAKER_09]: Because I'm sure if they pushed it off the docket, Abbott would just do another special session. [SPEAKER_09]: But the first thing that's on the docket is flood relief for Texans.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's what these Texas Democrats, one of the things that they did in being able to do what they did was to push the flood relief from somewhere down the line to there. [SPEAKER_09]: One of the other things that they were able to do was to get Gavin Newsom and to get, you know, all the other [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_09]: And Westmore and J.B. [SPEAKER_09]: Pritzker, who are all saying we are now going to do what the Republicans are doing.

[SPEAKER_09]: So if you guys want to play, fine, we'll play. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll do things according to your rules. [SPEAKER_09]: You ain't go like it. [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to do things according to your rules that way. [SPEAKER_09]: Before the Texas Democrats did this, [SPEAKER_09]: None of the other, none of the, you could talk to some of the governors and they were like, we might.

[SPEAKER_09]: Now, you got Gavin Newsom writing out of the loss of raptor with guns metaphorically or otherwise. [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_09]: We're gonna do this. [SPEAKER_09]: And you're going to do this. [SPEAKER_10]: And you're going to have a different governor. [SPEAKER_10]: You're impersonating. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, Sean, I'm never going to forgive you for two things in this segment. [SPEAKER_10]: One, bringing nuance. [SPEAKER_10]: How dare you?

[SPEAKER_10]: And two, mentioning to me, mentioning to me, mentioning to me, mentioning to me, mentioning to me, and I haven't thought of Tommy Laren and so long. [SPEAKER_09]: And I didn't mention, I think, but she'd mentioned Tommy Laren. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, well then my vendetta against the both of you. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, as Charlie Pierce calls her, the walking clothes closet Tommy Lairn, which quite frankly, you know, whatever she is.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I don't generally think of her that much. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think of her pretty much at all because, you know, some people would just not worth thinking. [SPEAKER_09]: It's all I'm saying about it. [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, we do have somebody who is worthwhile. [SPEAKER_09]: We have a couple of fantastic gentlemen who are worthwhile and worth thinking about and worth drinking with and we got one more round. [SPEAKER_09]: BDD, you hang around for it? [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's dancing up a storm. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, we will have last call here Monday night at the politics barn. [SPEAKER_09]: We will drink up. [SPEAKER_09]: We will hang with you. [SPEAKER_09]: We will have some more last with you. [SPEAKER_09]: And me and BDD and Jared Rizzy. [SPEAKER_09]: It's Monday night at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_09]: Get your drink taken care of. [SPEAKER_09]: Just you know, top it up a little bit there. [SPEAKER_09]: Hang on, come on back.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That is honestly, you know, I do think some of the stuff that we've been talking about with Newsom and the way that he is going about that I think it is starting to break some of the brains of some of the, the MAGA folks. [SPEAKER_09]: I think, you know, that in concert with a lot of the other issues out there, starting to break their brains.

[SPEAKER_09]: Although, you know, you guys were talking, something else that we saw in another clip that we saw kind of rolled it back here in the DVR. [SPEAKER_09]: Trump's broken brain caught something that Zelensky said and turned it kind of dark and yet all the media people were laughing. [SPEAKER_09]: I hate this. [SPEAKER_10]: I hate this clip so much. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's not it's not here. [SPEAKER_09]: It won't only play. [SPEAKER_09]: Let me play for everybody here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Upon peace. [SPEAKER_01]: God willing to get peace. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you open to holding an election in your country? [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, of course. [SPEAKER_02]: We're open for election, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: We have to do safety in circumstances and a little bit, we need to work in the parliament because during the war you can't have elections but we can do security. [SPEAKER_02]: We need, maybe, how to say, we need a truth.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, everywhere in the battlefield in the sky and the sea, yeah, to make possible for people to do democratic, open, legal, legal elections. [SPEAKER_06]: So you say during the war, you can't have elections. [SPEAKER_06]: So let me just say three and a half years from now. [SPEAKER_06]: So you mean if we happen to be in a war with somebody, no more elections. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: There's a landscape laughed and media people laughed.

[SPEAKER_09]: I get it. [SPEAKER_09]: Yellow thing is is I still look elections are a local thing elections are a local thing. [SPEAKER_09]: It's one of them. [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, we're living in the city that is he's abusing emergency powers. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, where of that?

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm also well aware of the fact that if Westmore decided let's say that Mayor Bowser and DC requested help from a more friendly National Guard that Westmore could absolutely bring in Maryland National Guard just if he blocks from you to help out on the good side.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm well aware that all of this is is [SPEAKER_09]: Look, we are hanging in a very precarious point right now where if somebody does the wrong thing, somebody shoots the wrong person, somebody does the and yet and yet. [SPEAKER_09]: We're not there yet. [SPEAKER_09]: They're still there are far too many, especially in our side. [SPEAKER_09]: This is something that the right knows. [SPEAKER_09]: The right knows this about the left and they have used this for years.

[SPEAKER_09]: to say that people on the left, when you guys get worried, you think about the worst possible thing that could happen and you'll immediately give up and you go, oh no, I'm not saying that it's bed wedding, but they insist on it. [SPEAKER_09]: That's a tactic that the right uses against the left is to make the left freak out and go, oh my God. [SPEAKER_08]: Sean week, we call that we've been calling out aspects. [SPEAKER_08]: I have to project, twenty twenty five.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep. [SPEAKER_08]: A year ago that have already been unfolding and presenting themselves, but they are not. [SPEAKER_09]: Right, but they are not as they are not in power. [SPEAKER_09]: everywhere. [SPEAKER_09]: They are not in the house across the board every single place in every single town. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not the the the problem. [SPEAKER_08]: Let me say this. [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_08]: Let me say this.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's been has said multiple times when when asked, you know, you see Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_08]: running for a third term. [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, he van in very coily would say, we have an ace up our sleeves for that. [SPEAKER_08]: We have something, you know, and he doesn't go into detail. [SPEAKER_08]: Of course he always, I've always thought that it would have something to do with, again, emergency powers, wartime president, something like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: If there happened to be a civil war in, uh, [SPEAKER_08]: This country progress in this country if there was a civil war and I don't think it's that far fetched if he's already deployed the National Guard in Washington DC Los Angeles and has further plans to roll it out to [SPEAKER_08]: Baltimore, New York City, and other blue states. [SPEAKER_08]: How long do you think before he has some outside, um, agitators, instigate, you know, start tossing, uh, my conversation.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, I've been here. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm understained by the reason to involve. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not saying it's not an irrational fear. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's an irrational fear. [SPEAKER_09]: But what I'm saying is, we do that by ourselves. [SPEAKER_09]: One of the reasons I don't watch many horror movies. [SPEAKER_09]: I know you like the new alien earth.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm, you know, I don't watch, I don't watch a lot of that stuff because my imagination will run ramp, but I don't need anything else. [SPEAKER_09]: I look at the news if I want to see something horrifying. [SPEAKER_09]: It's, it's just, yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: It is.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I also look at it in terms of, especially with folks here on the left, we are very much prone to [SPEAKER_09]: building these things up and then paralyzing ourselves and paralyzing the people that we know. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes Sean paralyzing the people who are listening to your show who are in the bar right now. [SPEAKER_09]: So you need to understand that we need to be aware of these things.

[SPEAKER_09]: We need to know what the other side is doing, but we also need to triumph our wins and make sure that our people know [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, this is a potential possibility, but you know what also is a possibility that it's going to be really rough and really ugly. [SPEAKER_09]: And let's say Donald has a grand mall seizure tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: One of the reasons that Donald Trump can do what he does is because he and only he can wield the power of taking that mob of morons and using them as a club on all the Republicans. [SPEAKER_09]: That mob of morons is not going to be able to be controlled by JD Vance. [SPEAKER_09]: JD Vance is somebody they actually dislike.

[SPEAKER_09]: The minute that Donald Trump dies of a heart attack or a stroke or something like that, the entirety of politics in the US changes drastically. [SPEAKER_09]: So let's let's let's let's be a hundred percent. [SPEAKER_09]: And also the fact is yes, there are some places in this country where things are very anti-democratic and very crappy. [SPEAKER_09]: Guess what there are some places in this country that have been anti-democratic and crappy for two hundred and fifty years.

[SPEAKER_09]: They have never really experienced full democracy in those places. [SPEAKER_09]: So, I understand the fear. [SPEAKER_09]: God knows I understand the fear because I'm, you know, of all of us. [SPEAKER_09]: I've probably been because I'm the oldest. [SPEAKER_09]: I think I've been the one who's been standing here in the center of the fire hose of this awful news for most of the last, especially the last twelve years. [SPEAKER_09]: I get the fear.

[SPEAKER_09]: God knows I get the fear. [SPEAKER_09]: But I also look at it and say, it's important to teach people. [SPEAKER_09]: Know what could happen, but also know what couldn't happen. [SPEAKER_09]: Know what the good things are. [SPEAKER_09]: It matters that you take your dog and walk in that you smile and that you talk to your neighbor. [SPEAKER_09]: It matters that you spend time with your kids. [SPEAKER_09]: It matters that you watch a show.

[SPEAKER_09]: If you like alien Earth, that's great. [SPEAKER_09]: And that you get some enjoyment from that some time away from thinking about politics. [SPEAKER_09]: All of these things are small and they matter. [SPEAKER_09]: Like I said earlier, we have a great piece up. [SPEAKER_09]: It's in the, it's from the nation.com, Ellie Mistall wrote it, talking about the energizing power of small acts of non-compliance.

[SPEAKER_09]: We can sit here all night and get everybody scared and worried about, oh my God, the worst thing is gonna happen. [SPEAKER_09]: It isn't gonna happen. [SPEAKER_09]: Nothing is guaranteed. [SPEAKER_09]: Until it happens, it ain't guaranteed. [SPEAKER_09]: So if we wanna stop it from happening, we have to remember that we can't freeze the people around us. [SPEAKER_09]: We cannot paralyze everybody around us. [SPEAKER_09]: We need to find, I know it's extremely hard.

[SPEAKER_09]: We gotta find that line between paralyzing people and having them not know what's completely going on. [SPEAKER_09]: And I realize that that's difficult. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not trying to parallelize anybody. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just trying to get the word out there that areas of possibility. [SPEAKER_08]: Sure, you can't really do anything about it unless you let people know in the possibility. [SPEAKER_08]: Let me give you a for instance, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm just finished teaching my daughter how to drive, right? [SPEAKER_08]: When you teach them, you have to look down the road and let them know that there is a possibility [SPEAKER_08]: that at any point, somebody could jump out in front of the car. [SPEAKER_03]: Good enough. [SPEAKER_08]: You have to have your wits about you. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's the point that I'm trying to make. [SPEAKER_08]: That's the point.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, things that are crazy that make no sense. [SPEAKER_08]: They don't always happen, but sometimes they do happen. [SPEAKER_08]: When they do, you need to be ready. [SPEAKER_08]: And if you're not aware that it's a possibility, you won't be ready for it. [SPEAKER_10]: Sure. [SPEAKER_10]: And I'll just add to this, which is about paralysis, I would say, versus preparation.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yes. [SPEAKER_10]: As, you know, in the earlier in the show, you mentioned, you know, Republicans, there are fewer Republicans standing up and standing in Trump's way. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, I don't know how many Georgia Secretary of State Raphisberger were going to have. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: But I'm guessing there's a lot fewer of them than there were four or five years ago. [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not doing the same thing.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's important to remind people that those guardrails aren't there. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: And that we have to create a better environment with our joy and our preparation. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: To replace those blockages. [SPEAKER_10]: None of what you did in those arteries. [SPEAKER_09]: I can't rely on them to do what I mean. [SPEAKER_09]: None of what you could, none of what either of you two are saying is wrong.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I think it's important that we also, this is something that some media folks don't do. [SPEAKER_09]: And I find it to me, I find it offensive. [SPEAKER_09]: It reminds me of when I was in college where a professor would lay out, you know, I need to do this, that and the other thing you're like, dude, that's going to take me eighty hours.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm already working a full-time job and I'm going to school and I got family and I got, you know, you're like F.U. [SPEAKER_09]: And then I was reminded, and this was early on, because I was an older than average student. [SPEAKER_09]: And I was reminded that I don't know what the exact breakdown is now on average. [SPEAKER_09]: But I think at somewhere around half to a third of every professor's average salary is created by one student.

[SPEAKER_09]: So if you piss off two students as a professor, you have eliminated your financial reason for existence. [SPEAKER_09]: If we're going to create this and we're going to have this as a capitalist system like this, then you as Professor need to be aware that there are other classes that the people who are taking your classes have other things going on in life that you cannot bogart everything that's out there.

[SPEAKER_09]: You have to be aware and a lot of people in media are not aware. [SPEAKER_09]: They're completely unknown. [SPEAKER_09]: They're like, don't you understand? [SPEAKER_09]: They spend the whole time trying to scare people without reminding people that you need to be, it needs to be preparation. [SPEAKER_09]: We need to prepare. [SPEAKER_09]: We need to make sure that we're aware of all this stuff, but it can't be paralysis.

[SPEAKER_09]: because if you go too far and all you're doing is screaming, people get paralyzed and that, it's self defeating at that point. [SPEAKER_09]: If you're trying to prepare people to make sure you're ready for when the thing happens, but then you're scaring them too much, they get paralyzed and they can't handle it when it happens. [SPEAKER_09]: So you got to have preparation, but not paralysis. [SPEAKER_09]: If that makes any sense. [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I'm bored.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_10]: BDD? [SPEAKER_08]: Sure. [SPEAKER_10]: I follow a question, Sean. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: What kind of lab accident did you create right before the professor told you about how much the students cost the school? [SPEAKER_09]: No, no lab accident, but I did. [SPEAKER_09]: I did actually. [SPEAKER_09]: I had an interesting debate with the burser. [SPEAKER_09]: What we'll have to talk about that is we're playing in stuff.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, we'll talk about that in the after hours, which you can get at the politicsbar.com. [SPEAKER_09]: Majin, Brooklyn Dead Define, we are so glad that you are here. [SPEAKER_09]: You got a new piece coming out on Define Dispatches. [SPEAKER_09]: Look for it on Substack. [SPEAKER_09]: Very soon. [SPEAKER_09]: You see us next week, sir? [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Jared, who do we have tomorrow on a show? [SPEAKER_09]: Got Meredith Shire.

[SPEAKER_09]: Meredith Shire, she's a fantastic DC journalist and a friend, and also a white socks fan. [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll have to throw some of what Parker threw her direction. [SPEAKER_09]: Look, come on back tomorrow. [SPEAKER_09]: It is the politics bar. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll see you here tomorrow. [SPEAKER_09]: All right. [SPEAKER_09]: All right.