No More Mr. Nice Guy august 4, 2025

[SPEAKER_15]: It's political thinking, radical. [SPEAKER_14]: You think it's a part of where you are, the politics part. [SPEAKER_15]: Shotsmith Pearson, Jody Hamilton. [SPEAKER_03]: Jody? [SPEAKER_03]: John? [SPEAKER_03]: Monday night. [SPEAKER_03]: It's good to see you. [SPEAKER_03]: I hope you had a good weekend. [SPEAKER_13]: I did. [SPEAKER_13]: It was nice and calm and watched a couple of movies, but in the middle of a half a movie. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, but no, because I went to bed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well sometimes sometimes I'm not wrong as often as Chris is that's [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, Chris. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sitting in for him in a couple of weeks. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: I will look Chris Chris is a typical producer like you and I. So, you know, the job of producer is not to make people happy. [SPEAKER_04]: Your job is it's like being the unfunparent totally to say no a lot. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_04]: Look at you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Jodi knows exactly as much as like the first movie that I produced with my sister it was called Define the Stars and at one point that's not the one that's not the one that's not the one that you saw no no different film completely different film like seriously different actually shot on film but I remember telling her no [SPEAKER_13]: No, we don't have the money. [SPEAKER_13]: She's like, what?

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm like, no. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, that's like that. [SPEAKER_04]: That is the job. [SPEAKER_04]: The job of producer is more than a good producer or a good editor.

[SPEAKER_04]: Their job is [SPEAKER_04]: and you know it's that this is this is important inside baseball stuff for you folks who are here in the market in the media when you have a producer when you have an editor it's the same thing as if you have a good manager um who it basically is the filter between you the people actually do the work and the jackasses in the executive offices who couldn't count their eyeballs and get the same number twice

[SPEAKER_04]: their job that person they may frustrate you because they tell you know a lot but they also tell the executives to pound sand a lot which mean you know that's that's if you're good if you're in that range producer show runner editor whatever you say know a lot even to powerful people because that's your job my favorite is you know you're a good producer when nobody notices your job [SPEAKER_04]: I love that. [SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is one of my favorite things. [SPEAKER_04]: Although it makes it extremely difficult when you're trying to get a job. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Because if you've done your job, there's nothing to show. [SPEAKER_13]: I know what I'm doing. [SPEAKER_13]: So therefore nobody's complaining. [SPEAKER_13]: It's just and nothing untoward has happened. [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if you do badly, everybody knows about the mistakes that you made and they become legend. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Now I remember we actually lost. [SPEAKER_13]: We had a generator for the movie that we produced and somebody siphoned our gas and it was diesel. [SPEAKER_13]: So I hope that the person that siphoned it did not have a diesel engine. [SPEAKER_13]: So we're at lunch break and my gaffer realizes that we are low on gas.

[SPEAKER_13]: And it was a Sunday before Fourth of July. [SPEAKER_13]: Not kidding. [SPEAKER_13]: Wow. [SPEAKER_13]: And so I just remember Chris, he looked like he was running in slow motion. [SPEAKER_13]: And like, he's totally bionically. [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm looking at him going, what is Ryan goes, the Jenny's almost out of gas. [SPEAKER_13]: Now for those of you that don't know, if your generator loses gas, your lights are down for a good hour. [SPEAKER_13]: a good hour.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right, and remember you're paying these people by sometimes the minutes. [SPEAKER_13]: And so we had we all figured out who had gas cans in their cars. [SPEAKER_13]: And we were running around Pasadena. [SPEAKER_13]: getting diesel gas on a Sunday, mind you, in the nineteen ninety nine, and we filled it up and finally we got a guy on the phone who was not our generator guy.

[SPEAKER_13]: It was a different company that we did not hire because they were too expensive, but they're like, no, we got you. [SPEAKER_13]: It'll just take us an hour. [SPEAKER_13]: So we got enough in there for them to show up in an hour and then completely fill our generator. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you do what you have to do. [SPEAKER_04]: That's production. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, but that's also fighting politics and that's, that's what this is about.

[SPEAKER_04]: where this gets us because I was so so last night in if you were you know sleeping if you when you went to sleep like jodied it a little bit early or or maybe you you know you turned off the news you said screw it I'm not going to pay any attention whatever you miss this because Democrats from the Texas House it did what they were

[SPEAKER_04]: Planning to do if the Republicans push forward and the Republicans over the weekend push forward and ran through that bill where they're going to try to steal five house seats. [SPEAKER_04]: So this was Jasmine Crocket last night at a move on event and well here I'll let her say it.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I have to tell you this, because I'm so inspired not only by all of you that decided to show up today, but right before I got over here, my former colleagues from the Texas House, those Texas Democrats decided to get the hell out of Texas. [SPEAKER_07]: They decided to use whatever tools they could in breaking qualms is where they are at right now. [SPEAKER_07]: And they didn't just do it by themselves.

[SPEAKER_07]: They went to Illinois, where there is a governor that gives a damn. [SPEAKER_07]: You see, let's fight. [SPEAKER_07]: It's gonna take all of us. [SPEAKER_07]: That is why I say we are one, but- Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: That a girl. [SPEAKER_13]: I love her so much. [SPEAKER_13]: I cannot wait to vote her to be president.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jasmine Crocket is she is very good and she's very good of the politics, but it's interesting that they went to the majority of Texas Democrats went Chicago, but they also went to New York City and they went to Boston. [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of like it's kind of like going to places that don't have extradition policies.

[SPEAKER_04]: because our slaves that ran away very much so look this this I mean denying quorum in Texas is this is not a new thing not first time eighteen seventy June of eighteen seventy so literally me we're talking over a hundred years ago

[SPEAKER_04]: thirteen texis senators walked out of the capital to block the then governor from being able to have the right to declare martial law for things that they shouldn't so basically thirteen texis senators left in eighteen seventy because they were fighting for democracy [SPEAKER_04]: And now in twenty twenty five. [SPEAKER_13]: I assume that's were publicans, by the way, at the time, because we've switched ideology. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, at least they were pro, they were pro democracy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's just going to go with the Republicans. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, because back then, they were the ones who were more progressive. [SPEAKER_04]: They were right. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but look, the, the cool thing is that they went to Chicago, the majority of these Democrats. [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, well, you know, look, one of my favorite quotes, we've mentioned it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just grabbed it because, you know, in case you don't know, in case you've never seen the entouchables, Sean Connery plays his fantastic character, Jim. [SPEAKER_13]: His name is spelled differently than yours. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_04]: His, his, his is spelled S-E-A-N, but, you know what, it's Sean Connery. [SPEAKER_04]: You got to give them an answer. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I mean, he's, you know, UK guy, you know. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's also Sean Connery.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know. [SPEAKER_04]: And, well, here's, here's the, here's the pertinent quote from the attachables. [SPEAKER_09]: You said you wanted to know how to get the curve. [SPEAKER_09]: Do you really want to go to him? [SPEAKER_09]: You see what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_09]: What are you prepared to do? [SPEAKER_09]: Everything within the law and then what are you prepared to do? [SPEAKER_09]: If you open the ball on these people, Mr. Nash, you must be prepared to go all the way.

[SPEAKER_09]: Because they won't give up the fight until one of you is dead. [SPEAKER_09]: I want to get a couple and I don't know how to get a couple. [SPEAKER_09]: You say, you got him. [SPEAKER_09]: He pulls a knife. [SPEAKER_09]: You pull a gun. [SPEAKER_09]: He sends one of yours to the hospital. [SPEAKER_09]: You say, one of his to the mark. [SPEAKER_13]: That's the Chicago way, baby. [SPEAKER_04]: That's the Chicago way. [SPEAKER_13]: And he's so Irish in that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, but he's he's fantastic and and look, you know, JB Pritzker, he he stood up last night with these Texas Democrats gave a big huge presser. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it was very clear that that Pritzker was not messing around. [SPEAKER_04]: It's very clear that a lot of Democrats are not messing around anymore. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I've given Chuck Schumer all kinds of hell, but Schumer. [SPEAKER_04]: Me too. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, rightfully so I think yes.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, absolutely. [SPEAKER_13]: They deserve it. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but look, we've, especially last week, you know, with Corey standing up, we were giving him hell. [SPEAKER_04]: Over the weekend, Schumer Senate Democrats got a big win. [SPEAKER_04]: The media, of course, completely ignored it, mainstreamed all and under no. [SPEAKER_04]: They're big win. [SPEAKER_04]: The Senate was forced to head home with no deal to speed confirmations and Trump was so pissed.

[SPEAKER_04]: He told Schumer to go to hell. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and shimmers like bite me. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, bite me. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm like jelly roll. [SPEAKER_04]: This is this is this is what democratic voters want to see. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a new AP, North Pole Bob says. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a new AP and ORC pole that says many Democrats.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're unhappy with their party because they see the party as weak and ineffective and what they want is they want Democrats to stand and fight. [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: This is, wasn't our first, no, our second week when we had Joe Walsh in here. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, was our second week. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, that's what people want from their elected officials. [SPEAKER_04]: They want them to stand and fight for them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: And then, of course, Joe Wells became a Democrat and, you know, there are people who rag him about this, but I don't because look, he stands and fights. [SPEAKER_13]: He knows how to teach Democrats how to fight. [SPEAKER_04]: And there are a lot more Democrats.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw kind of can't remember where I was at looking at something online over the week in the David jolly's name popped up and somebody was like, hey, you know, he's he's assertive, but he's not aggressive. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, that's what you need to be as assertive. [SPEAKER_04]: You need to say, this is how we're going to do things. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not going to back down. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: That doesn't mean that you go up and punch somebody in the face.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, that's never good. [SPEAKER_04]: No, but like, you know, you know, I'm a friend of cats. [SPEAKER_04]: I've been catabagazella there in Illinois and and she is regularly. [SPEAKER_04]: She goes out and she mocks the Republicans, but she doesn't purposely antagonize them so much as she's responding to their hatred, their evil. [SPEAKER_04]: She is assertive without being aggressive. [SPEAKER_04]: She gets memed Annie assertive without being aggressive.

[SPEAKER_04]: We are going to do these things and I am going to try to do that because this is what you want. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, even Joe Loss is supporting Mandani. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm seeing. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm seeing Spanberger actually step out a little bit more here in the Virginia area of the DC area of the bar and and be a little bit more assertive because that's what people want. [SPEAKER_04]: They want to see Democrats stand up and fight for for us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: and it is nice to see that Democrats even inside the halls of the Senate are finally standing up enough that the Senate has like I think it's like eighty different it might be more than eighty nominations of Trump's and they only got one through I think it's over a hundred is it it might be over hundred but they only got one through [SPEAKER_04]: Drunk and Jeanine Piro. [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever, she's actually been a lawyer before in those people.

[SPEAKER_04]: There are a few people in the DC here. [SPEAKER_04]: I know who mess with her and said, she has a horrible personality, but she's not bad as a lawyer. [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, it's one of those where you get what you can get. [SPEAKER_04]: And then you go back for more. [SPEAKER_04]: It's what Warren says. [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll do. [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, we want you to come back for more. [SPEAKER_04]: We got another round here on Monday night here at the politics bar.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't know what to hell to do with Democrats actually standing up. [SPEAKER_04]: It is fantastic to see. [SPEAKER_04]: And so of course they, you know, did the typical both sides is something and Republicans are doing it. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a hypocrisy for Democrats and Pritzker was like, none of that, man. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm having none of that. [SPEAKER_08]: Let me be clear, we passed a map in Illinois that follows the Constitution.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that is not what Governor Abbott is trying to do in Texas. [SPEAKER_08]: We believe that the people of Texas deserve to have fair representation and not to have the game changed in the middle of the decade. [SPEAKER_08]: They're already as litigation about the original map that they put in place. [SPEAKER_08]: Now they want to change it again. [SPEAKER_08]: That no doubt will end up being litigated, too. [SPEAKER_08]: But let me be clear that they are attempting to cheat.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think we all know Donald Trump is a cheater. [SPEAKER_08]: So is the Attorney General Texas can back down. [SPEAKER_08]: in so many ways. [SPEAKER_08]: And we here in Illinois believe that we're, you know, what is twenty twenty five? [SPEAKER_08]: We've had elections now for, you know, the five years that this map has been in place. [SPEAKER_08]: We want to continue to have those fair elections.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we're proud of the fact that Democrats do better than Republicans in those districts. [SPEAKER_08]: hyper-competitive, frankly, and we won in virtually every one of those districts that was competitive. [SPEAKER_08]: But when you look at a map that's fourteen to three, you're talking about the outcome, Paris. [SPEAKER_08]: You're talking about the outcome.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, the fact that we are very good in Illinois about delivering for the people of Illinois and the people react to that vote for our candidates is very different than cheating mid-decade by rewriting the rules because their cult leader Donald Trump tells them to do it. [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, man. [SPEAKER_04]: Fritzker is on it and well, that's just with art with my state California. [SPEAKER_13]: We have [SPEAKER_13]: Fairly drawn districts is what they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: You guys have a non-partisan commission that draws fair districts every ten years. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: And it's overwhelmingly democratic. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Even in even in the red areas, the quote unquote red areas of California overwhelmingly the representatives for California still end up being democratic. [SPEAKER_13]: Not all of them.

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, we have fifty two people that go to Congress and not all of them are Dems, but if Texas is going to do that, we can totally make it fifty two. [SPEAKER_04]: That was one of the things that I noticed over the weekends. [SPEAKER_04]: So your governor, governor Newsom, who, like I said, I have some issues with the case with his issues with trans people. [SPEAKER_04]: We all do. [SPEAKER_04]: Trans people are great people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Shout out to Parker, but why love that got to contact you. [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, [SPEAKER_04]: Um, she's great. [SPEAKER_04]: So there was a guy, a, a, a, a, a statistics person. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and so they put out a tweet and, and knew some basically retweeted it, reposted it with big Google liaison. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, because here's the, here's the tweet. [SPEAKER_04]: So it says even in a bad year for California Dems, like, twenty, twenty four mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can create a fifty two democrats zero republicans map with no seat being less than Harris plus ten. [SPEAKER_04]: You would probably eliminate nine republicans from the house delegation from California. [SPEAKER_04]: It will integrate one to two GOP votes sinks. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you know what that means.

[SPEAKER_04]: Basically, creating a rise that where Republicans are packed into them, if you give Republicans one to two seats, you could create a map in California with no seat less than Harris plus fourteen.

[SPEAKER_04]: So what this means to the non-political folks who are here at the politics bar with us is when you have what's called a DW nominate score, the thing I was trying to remember the other day, basically says what a specific district is more likely to nominate where there's [SPEAKER_04]: your, your plus minus of whatever a D plus fourteen means that given two candidates who are basically equal a Democrat and Republican, they are more likely to nominate the Democrat by fourteen points.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can in any election in general, you can swing maybe five points three to five points is a given flexible. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: But when it's fourteen points, when a Republican sees that map and says, do I do all the things that I have to do to go out and kiss, ask and get money to go and run this campaign? [SPEAKER_04]: And they know that they're going to be starting in a plus fourteen or plus fifteen or plus twenty whole.

[SPEAKER_04]: Most of the good candidates go, no, that's stupid. [SPEAKER_04]: Because that's a losing cause. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, my father is spending the money. [SPEAKER_04]: And remember, as you said, Johnny, because California has a fair district and they can create this with fair districts. [SPEAKER_13]: We also do have a thing in in our state where it doesn't matter who's the one or two, if it's to Democrats, then they have to fight for it.

[SPEAKER_13]: If it's to Republicans, they have to fight for it. [SPEAKER_04]: called a jungle primary right whoever gets the top two spots in the primary if it's if it's an independent and a republican or an independent and a democrat or two independence or two republicans or democrats whoever the top two vote getters in the primary are that's who faces off in the general which seems fair [SPEAKER_04]: It's not bad. [SPEAKER_04]: It definitely, it tends to, it opens things up a little bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's another one of those tools like we talk about with the Deb here in the bar, you know, who called us here. [SPEAKER_04]: It's another tool that tends to diffuse partisanship and opens up more opportunities. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a fantastic guess. [SPEAKER_04]: So jungle primaries are great like that, but it was interesting to note that the governor of California sees this and says, hmm, interesting thought.

[SPEAKER_04]: And for Republicans who are saying, oh, well, you know, we just do whatever we want, you know, I'm gonna do whatever I want. [SPEAKER_04]: I got news for you on this one, folks. [SPEAKER_04]: Republicans look, and we've got a piece today from the nation, very good piece from David Daily.

[SPEAKER_04]: The talks about what Republicans are planning to do on this look, it's redistricting wars, it's jerrymandering wars, but we're there going to go, they're not gonna stop, even if we stop in Texas, which is going to be hard.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's say the Democrats stop this because what Governor Abbott and Texas did is he called a special session of the legislature that was nominally supposed to be so they could fix the problems with certain towns and not having money because of all the flooding. [SPEAKER_04]: And then once he called and said, oh, by the way, let's do this whole big redistricting.

[SPEAKER_13]: And if, well, when the flooding in stuff doesn't come in, his calculation is he's going to blame the Democrats. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, right, which is stupid because a lot of the Republicans realize, no, you're the, you guys are the ones in control and you've been missing this for how many years now, people are starting to wake up even some of those minor Republicans. [SPEAKER_04]: But I digress. [SPEAKER_04]: So Abbott called the session.

[SPEAKER_04]: He said, Hey, you need to come in and do this. [SPEAKER_04]: The Democrats have left if they can't go forward with the session because they don't have a quorum. [SPEAKER_04]: They don't have enough people to do the session. [SPEAKER_04]: That session will close. [SPEAKER_04]: But the way that Texas State law works, a governor can call a special session of the legislature at any time.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Abbott has said, fine, if we have to close that one without doing anything, then I'm just going to call another one and we'll keep playing this game over and over. [SPEAKER_04]: Republicans know this. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, this is so even if, even if somehow the Democrats in Texas stay out for long enough to do this, [SPEAKER_04]: They're not just going to Republicans, this is a war, and they have declared war on the rest of us. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to go through Ohio.

[SPEAKER_04]: There will be a huge jerryman or a high-o-next. [SPEAKER_04]: Florida is up there in Indiana. [SPEAKER_04]: I think in Indiana, possibly. [SPEAKER_04]: Not quite sure. [SPEAKER_04]: I know Missouri, I know North Carolina. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a number of places like this, but Democratic states.

[SPEAKER_04]: Illinois is saying therefore back California is saying New York is saying Maryland Washington state Big population centers and if they go ahead and do all of this The same way if Democrats fire back as hard as Republicans say that they're going to Democrats in those states have more seats they will end up winning Now nobody really wins at this type of game

[SPEAKER_04]: But the whole deal is folks is this is this is a war without guns, but this is a civil war and just like the last the first civil war [SPEAKER_04]: The right wing got their ass kicked. [SPEAKER_04]: The second civil war was the civil rights war and the right wing got their ass kicked. [SPEAKER_04]: If they want to start a third civil war, fine. [SPEAKER_04]: The right wing will get their ass kicked. [SPEAKER_04]: It dumbass has never learned.

[SPEAKER_13]: Just so you all know in California, it's going to have to be a ballot measure. [SPEAKER_13]: So I cannot imagine the money that it will be poured into the state. [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. [SPEAKER_13]: from Republicans saying this is bad. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, we like, you know, how it's going. [SPEAKER_04]: But that's actually good. [SPEAKER_13]: That is good because then it's hypocritical of them to do it elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, but not only that, because the media markets in California are so expensive, it will siphon a lot of Republican money away from other things. [SPEAKER_04]: And they've got a lot. [SPEAKER_04]: The thing about the way that the elections work, especially in Congress, is there are ebs and flows. [SPEAKER_04]: There are waves and there are laws.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's, we are at the end of a wave for Republicans in a low for Democrats because Democrats want a bunch of races during certain periods of time. [SPEAKER_04]: And then they came up for renewal and Republicans were in the right position and they want a bunch in return. [SPEAKER_04]: Now we're selling the pendulum is swinging back in the direction, pardon me. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, all right. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, frog in my throat. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, we're at a bar.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got a drink. [SPEAKER_04]: It's all good. [SPEAKER_04]: All right. [SPEAKER_04]: So the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction, where Republicans are going to have to be defending increasing numbers of seats. [SPEAKER_04]: And the problem that they have is that, first of all, they pissed off everybody. [SPEAKER_04]: They pissed off their own base with all the Epstein stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: They're pissing off everybody because inflation is going up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jobs are very hard to find and getting harder to find. [SPEAKER_13]: Immigration. [SPEAKER_04]: And the business stuff don't not the fact that now, especially with this with Trump firing the head of the BLS, a lot of the Wall Street folks are really pissed because all of the numbers that they use to decide things they do, right? [SPEAKER_04]: So many of those numbers come from the BLS.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you cannot trust those numbers, [SPEAKER_04]: Then they are, look, Wall Street is a casino. [SPEAKER_04]: It just is. [SPEAKER_04]: Wall Street is gambling. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Whether anybody likes it or not. [SPEAKER_04]: But because of the data and the amount of money that they have, they basically are putting a thumb or a whole hand or two hands on the scale. [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: But you have to know where to put them on the scale.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what the BLS numbers tell everybody is. [SPEAKER_04]: It tells everybody exactly where the real numbers are. [SPEAKER_04]: And if you don't know where the real numbers are, you can't put your hand. [SPEAKER_13]: I just saw a graph from about a year and a half ago to now where the numbers were bad for Biden. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: Like really bad. [SPEAKER_13]: Like forty-one thousand jobs out of it. [SPEAKER_13]: Kind of bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, but it wasn't this was the worst miss on jobs. [SPEAKER_04]: Trump's miss on jobs here for June was the worst miss on jobs since the recession that was created by his failures during the COVID. [SPEAKER_13]: But still, I mean, I'm looking at this graph. [SPEAKER_13]: It goes up and then way down for Joe Biden. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was June or July or August or something of twenty twenty four. [SPEAKER_04]: It was really bad. [SPEAKER_04]: It was a bat.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was one bad month because the next month they jumped right back up. [SPEAKER_04]: But then the system was like three hundred sixty thousand jobs and then Trump was Trump was like oh see that this was this was a problem and they were not they were playing with the numbers. [SPEAKER_04]: Well he's actually going to be playing with the numbers. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh no he is. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean this is just and there's others of people that do this job.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's not just the one person that he fired. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: So, so the BLS, the bureau labor statistics is a sub-cabin agency. [SPEAKER_04]: We were wondering this in front of you. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a technically cabin agency. [SPEAKER_04]: It's under the labor department, but Dr. Erica McIntyre, who I mentioned, just because I love her name. [SPEAKER_04]: McIntyre, it's a fun name to say. [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, she is now the fire director.

[SPEAKER_04]: She was appointed by Joe Biden. [SPEAKER_04]: And look, she's great. [SPEAKER_04]: The acting director of the BLS is now Bill Wastowski. [SPEAKER_04]: He was appointed by Obama. [SPEAKER_04]: But these are people who down the line, look the former. [SPEAKER_04]: BLS director, I believe it was was on one of the Sunday shows. [SPEAKER_04]: And he's more of a Trump guy, but he's not a, he's not a sickle fan. [SPEAKER_04]: He's not an idiot.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, look, I trust these people because they are as, as the joke about the BLS as we've mentioned the other day, the joke about the BLS is not that they're optimistic or pessimistic. [SPEAKER_04]: They don't say that the glass is half full of the glass is half empty. [SPEAKER_04]: They say there is four ounces of glass of water in an eight ounce glass. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: because they're straight down the line and McEnterfer is exactly the same way.

[SPEAKER_04]: But because Trump fired her for telling him something that he didn't want to hear, the shot, the messenger. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I mean, like I said, you've got all of these core parts of the Republican base. [SPEAKER_04]: Muggers are mad because of Epstein. [SPEAKER_04]: Wall Street is mad because of the BLS. [SPEAKER_04]: You've got a lot of these people who are pissed off at them.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is at a time when Republicans are going to be needing every vote they can get because they only have a five-seat, seven-seat majority in the house. [SPEAKER_04]: And they only have, I think, was it three in the Senate? [SPEAKER_04]: And they have more seats coming up for election for them. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, then Democrats do. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, they are screwing. [SPEAKER_13]: It's a bad map for them this year. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's, it's a bad confluence of events.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the funny thing is, it isn't like that they weren't warned that this crap was going to go on. [SPEAKER_04]: This is, this is why we don't play with these things. [SPEAKER_04]: This is why we have every ten years you have redistricting. [SPEAKER_04]: And we don't worry about that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_13]: And this is why they're trying to get voter information. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about all of that and more.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's all in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_04]: If you have not subscribed, that is free. [SPEAKER_04]: You can subscribe to that and get all the news. [SPEAKER_04]: We go through it all. [SPEAKER_04]: Believe me, Jody, and I go through all of that for you. [SPEAKER_04]: It's there at the politics bar.com. [SPEAKER_04]: Also, your drink of the day, we got that coming up. [SPEAKER_04]: We have Brooklyn Dad Defiant coming in.

[SPEAKER_04]: He has a great piece about Democrats fighting tonight. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, refresh your drink. [SPEAKER_04]: Come back for another round. [SPEAKER_04]: It's Monday at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_16]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: It is a nice one day night here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Whether actually here in the DC area, the bar has been decent last couple of days. [SPEAKER_04]: LA area been pretty decent as well.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's pushing the nineties, which is really low for this time of year.

[SPEAKER_04]: whether whether got better for most people here over the last few days but look you know wherever you happen to be we are glad you were listening absolutely if the weather blocks your regular regular over the air signal why you get the podcast remember it's easy to do you go subscribe to the politics bar dot com it is six dollars a month [SPEAKER_04]: For that cover charge, love us cover charge of any bar in the country. [SPEAKER_04]: It happens to get you of course.

[SPEAKER_04]: The news on tap for free also gets you the drink of the day and the podcast ad free. [SPEAKER_04]: It's all something we provide to you at the politics bar dot com. [SPEAKER_04]: All right, Jody, it is Monday night. [SPEAKER_04]: It is also a very special day. [SPEAKER_04]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, well, it's one of one of my, one of my favorite people. [SPEAKER_04]: One of my, one of my former bosses actually, you know, it's, he's a good day.

[SPEAKER_04]: So happy birthday to Barack Obama. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I'm not going to give his number. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's just say he's, he's older than Jody, you're on. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's. [SPEAKER_04]: Barely. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, you know, he's barely older than I am black don't crack. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_04]: He looks good. [SPEAKER_13]: He looks good. [SPEAKER_13]: They both look good.

[SPEAKER_13]: They both look happy. [SPEAKER_04]: And he's been out there. [SPEAKER_04]: He's been throwing some punches. [SPEAKER_04]: Throwing some haymakers out there as well, which I am glad to see, which is nice to see. [SPEAKER_04]: But he does happen to have a, it's a drink. [SPEAKER_04]: I, you were thinking of another one. [SPEAKER_04]: And I pointed this out to you because I remembered this. [SPEAKER_04]: This, this, somebody created this back. [SPEAKER_13]: This person did.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and two thousand nine. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: So what is the drink of the day? [SPEAKER_13]: It is called the Obama cocktail. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right. [SPEAKER_04]: Cust, you know, today's. [SPEAKER_13]: It's his birthday. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: still very young. [SPEAKER_13]: By the way, uh, so he's here. [SPEAKER_05]: He's still got it. [SPEAKER_13]: He's still got it, man.

[SPEAKER_13]: Are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, you need to pre-chilled old fashioned glass. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_13]: A shaker. [SPEAKER_13]: Got it. [SPEAKER_13]: Some ice for a said shaker. [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_13]: Two ounces of bourbon. [SPEAKER_03]: The good stuff.

[SPEAKER_13]: Always top shelf an ounce of honey an ounce of lemon juice four mint leaves Okay, and a twist of fresh lemon zest for the garnish we've all done this before go back actually done this before I've done it too [SPEAKER_13]: So what you do, okay kids, we're muddling again. [SPEAKER_13]: Just so you know, it's about the muddling.

[SPEAKER_13]: So you muddle the mid leaves in the shaker, then you add the bourbon, the honey, and the lemon juice, and then you add the ice, and then you shake it, then you strain it into your chilled, old fashioned glass, and then you garnish it with the lemon twist, and it sounds yummy. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: And how to this chief who didn't screw up our country? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, Barack Obama did a pretty good job. [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Consider considering the, the steaming pile of turd that he was handed by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And then the rest of us in twenty ten and then the rest of us in twenty fourteen and yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm pretty glad with what Barack Obama. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he did very well. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he did well.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess are there things that I disagreed with him on short for those of you who lean further to left of me. [SPEAKER_04]: He was not perfect. [SPEAKER_04]: There is no such thing as a perfect. [SPEAKER_13]: It doesn't exist. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, if you want to try to run a perfect candidate, the simple thing you can do is go to run for something that org because you should run yourself if you think you're perfect. [SPEAKER_13]: I like that idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look, there's plenty of plenty of places you can go run, try and go do it yourself. [SPEAKER_04]: If you think you're perfect, go for it. [SPEAKER_04]: But I guarantee you, you will, you know, if you're anybody sane, you'll look at everything around you and be like, yeah, I think I was overestimating my own abilities.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, not only that, but the fact of the matter is, [SPEAKER_13]: Once you get into office as pure as your desires might be and as wonderful as you might think it is, it's not the movie day of kids. [SPEAKER_13]: It's. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not the president. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not the West Wing. [SPEAKER_04]: I have a beef with people who say, oh, the West Wing is awful. [SPEAKER_04]: The West Wing, many of them also think that the newsroom was awful.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love the newsroom. [SPEAKER_04]: I love them. [SPEAKER_04]: But they are both, look, when you go and you ride a roller coaster, the feeling of you riding a roller coaster is so viscerally different than if you happen to, I don't know, sit in a

[SPEAKER_04]: three D you ever you ever seen those like almost a video game things where they they move the card around back and forth in the screen and wraps around you and it's kind of gives you the same feeling but not entirely I say this because I'm reminded because my brother my youngest brother with his two daughters has started to do this fun thing where he pulls a box around the house and that's close it's very cool right but it's it's not the same thing I get it you're a minute me at the grandmother in the movie parenthood

[SPEAKER_13]: where she talks to Marystein, Virgin. [SPEAKER_13]: She goes, oh no, we're on a roller coaster. [SPEAKER_13]: And we like that. [SPEAKER_13]: And it's a whole, and you see, you know, everything going on with the kids. [SPEAKER_13]: And you see the roller coaster Ron Howard was great at that. [SPEAKER_13]: And you see on it's like, and the roller coaster can be fun. [SPEAKER_13]: And sometimes not.

[SPEAKER_04]: and sometimes scary yeah look it's and and and the real thing is different then and when you get into office it's like when you get in any job you you have an expectation what a job is getting in the job and you're like oh crap I never saw this coming and you wouldn't you wouldn't see it coming because you know [SPEAKER_04]: You wouldn't see certain things happening in the roller coaster unless you actually went on the roller coaster.

[SPEAKER_04]: The fake roller coaster is fun, but it's not the same as the real roller coaster. [SPEAKER_04]: And being in the job can be fun, but it's not quite the same as, you know, I don't find a mine he ran for, I think he was the mayor of his town. [SPEAKER_13]: And he's a centrist, mind you, South Carolina. [SPEAKER_04]: where he needs to be centristy. [SPEAKER_13]: Interesting to see what he learned about being the mayor of his little town.

[SPEAKER_13]: Because he thought, I'm going to get in there and I'm a facet. [SPEAKER_13]: And it's like. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: And that's a small town. [SPEAKER_13]: It's not like mayor bass or they're, you know, the mayor of New York.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who they think that they can get in there and it's the reason why so many maga people love Donald Trump is because they say, Oh, well, you know, he was just going to go in there because his personality is so big and [SPEAKER_04]: Government is a machine that is bigger than you or I, it's bigger than almost all of us. [SPEAKER_04]: That's the nature of government because government is there to do for us what we cannot do ourselves individually or even as a small group.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even if you're a small group of billionaires, there are still all kinds of things that you can't know. [SPEAKER_04]: So unless you're actually riding the roller coaster, you ain't got to know Elon Musk found that at the hard way. [SPEAKER_04]: And I think a lot of other people need to have the humility to understand. [SPEAKER_04]: It works the same way. [SPEAKER_04]: And in fact, in many ways, is amplified when somebody works in government. [SPEAKER_04]: You, you, there are things.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's not a, it's not a private company. [SPEAKER_04]: No, and it's not a private company controlled by one person. [SPEAKER_13]: Though Donald has got a lot of Republicans. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the fascism is real and heavy. [SPEAKER_04]: We have a whole section of that in today's news on tap. [SPEAKER_04]: So Trump fired the economic data collector, which we talked about at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. [SPEAKER_04]: There are all kinds of economists.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have a Nobel winning economist George Acrelaw, he has a great piece on this. [SPEAKER_04]: Why Trump's meddling in the BLS matters so much? [SPEAKER_04]: But Trump didn't stop there. [SPEAKER_04]: His DOJ is the Office of Special Counsel, which is not really that independent, has launched an investigation to Jack Smith over alleged hatch act violations. [SPEAKER_04]: That's, do you remember what the hatchback is? [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you can't make money in office.

[SPEAKER_13]: You can't, like, sell Goia beans. [SPEAKER_13]: You can't. [SPEAKER_04]: And you can't be, for example, on media talking about these kind of and promoting this stuff or have Tesla's in the front of the White House. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: So it is it is laughable. [SPEAKER_04]: And anybody who knows the losses, even if he gets a biases, they're going to throw it out because it's Jack Smith. [SPEAKER_04]: Jack Smith is is he's the monk.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is the legal monk as far as that goes. [SPEAKER_04]: The man doesn't, you know, if if the loss said, you may only fart on the two and four, that would be Jack. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, people go, oh my God, look, that's Jack. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, what exactly did Tom Cotton say was his violation of said hatchet? [SPEAKER_04]: Tom Cotton didn't exactly state of violation of the Hatch Act.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Tom Cotton, Senator Cotton, was the one who pushed Trump to have the Office of Special Council launched this investigation. [SPEAKER_04]: So, isn't that it's, again, it's a very fascist example. [SPEAKER_04]: Greg Sarton has a piece too that's in the news on tap about a newly leaked memo that shows that their plans for domestic use of the military could get worse. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's kind of scary. [SPEAKER_04]: All of this stuff is scary.

[SPEAKER_04]: But and I say but I'm not being polyanish when I say that some of this stuff can be stopped Still at this point by us standing up.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had a Had a little thing that bug me I saw somebody post post up and somebody was talking they were [SPEAKER_04]: pushing another post reposting something on blue sky from an academic who this guy is done other things he's not all wrong but his his first statement that that led his whole thread was democracy's dead basically that's not good

[SPEAKER_04]: And I hammered on this person who didn't like being told that I said, you know, you really shouldn't be spreading that because democracy is not dead. [SPEAKER_04]: There are places in this country where democracy has been severely lacking since the Civil War. [SPEAKER_04]: There are places in the South. [SPEAKER_04]: I think we've all heard a couple of the stories of a black person was elected.

[SPEAKER_04]: The white people didn't actually let the black guy take the mayor's office, whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying that's a recent history. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying democracy is perfect. [SPEAKER_04]: But we have an imperfect democracy, we still have a democracy. [SPEAKER_04]: If you tell people that democracy in the U.S. [SPEAKER_04]: is dead and it's not coming back within their lifetimes.

[SPEAKER_04]: What most people will say is, if there is no chance, and this is an expert quote unquote, so they know what they're talking about. [SPEAKER_04]: And if this expert says that the basis on which we all have everything is not going to come back within the lifetime of somebody who is a thirty, forty, fifty year older.

[SPEAKER_04]: What most people say is, well, [SPEAKER_04]: If everything is going to suck, that bad, and the monsters who made it suck are still around, then I'm going to take them down too. [SPEAKER_04]: They look. [SPEAKER_04]: There are multiple reasons why we have that Sean Conner-requote from the Untouchables today. [SPEAKER_04]: And the fact of the matter is, it's very simple. [SPEAKER_04]: This is the attitude of most people. [SPEAKER_09]: He pulls a knife. [SPEAKER_09]: You pull a gun.

[SPEAKER_09]: He sends one of yours to the hospital. [SPEAKER_09]: You say, one of his to the mark. [SPEAKER_09]: That's your tackle. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's exactly what people think. [SPEAKER_04]: So when you tell them that democracy is dead and there is no opportunity for them to get it back, then they say, well, if I can't get it back, then I'm God damn sure I'll make sure everything burns down.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you are on the side of wanting to save this country and really the world from, you know, another dark ages, [SPEAKER_04]: You best watch your tongue, especially if you happen to be an academic or somebody who happens to be in authority. [SPEAKER_04]: You don't say democracy is dead because democracy isn't dead. [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't mean that things are not scary and it doesn't mean that things are not dangerous out there. [SPEAKER_04]: They are.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to lie. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to tell you it's not that way. [SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, you don't give people no hope. [SPEAKER_04]: You don't take hope away because if you take hope away, [SPEAKER_04]: People will say, then let's literally burn it all down. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're not wrong to feel that way. [SPEAKER_04]: That is a very natural human instinct. [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, we've done it a few times in this country.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, yeah, and it took many, many years, but we're not there yet. [SPEAKER_05]: No, not yet. [SPEAKER_05]: Things are things are not sketchy. [SPEAKER_04]: They're sketchy, but we're not there yet, which means it's time to stand up. [SPEAKER_04]: It's time to fight. [SPEAKER_04]: It's time to fight for the good things that we need, and it's time to make progress in every single way that we can. [SPEAKER_04]: Including by the way on the clock because now we got to go pay some bills.

[SPEAKER_04]: We made progress through this hour progress getting closer to you and I And of course the wonderful people here in the bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Judi being able to talk with Brooklyn dad to find he's coming in this next hour We have more news on tap some good entertainment news as well It's a sad entertainment news [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there is some sad entertainment news too, but, you know, there's a radio note of happiness always a good reminder there for those of us who love radio.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look, freshen up your drink and, you know, where the facilities are, if you got to use them down the hall to the left of the right, whatever, just remember, you know, we aim to please, you aim to please. [SPEAKER_04]: It's Monday nights. [SPEAKER_04]: Here at the politics bar, come on back for another round. [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills of the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you ever had a friend at a workplace or maybe go back to college or high school where, you know, you had a long hallway. [SPEAKER_04]: You had to find different ways to holler somebody's name. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: It gets, it's easier with, you know, two civil names. [SPEAKER_04]: Harder with one civil names, I found, but, you know, it's, it's a lot of fun. [SPEAKER_13]: I think I'll Joe, Joe Hamhead.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've been called a lot of things and some of them. [SPEAKER_04]: Hammy. [SPEAKER_13]: Hammy stuck. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and he works. [SPEAKER_13]: Hammy has been my nickname for years. [SPEAKER_13]: And it was my friend Allen. [SPEAKER_13]: God rest his soul who was the first person to say, and that was in the late eighties. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, look, Hammy's a good nickname.

[SPEAKER_04]: I, the, the only nickname that ever partially stuck at any significant point in time that was not something that I chose. [SPEAKER_04]: Like I chose my radio name, but, um, [SPEAKER_04]: girl that I knew in high school, a different theater company. [SPEAKER_04]: She was at the Carney High School, I was at Lincoln East, and she said, I just think your nickname should be Abe. [SPEAKER_04]: Long A, B. I was like, what the hell?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then some people use that for like all of six months, but that's it. [SPEAKER_04]: Most of the time, most people have not, you know. [SPEAKER_13]: I've been Joe with some friends I've known for fifty years. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm also a Jojo Hamhead. [SPEAKER_13]: Torp, I was torped for a long time. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you have older siblings, so I understand. [SPEAKER_13]: No, Torpe was my friend. [SPEAKER_13]: My sister's friend Jenna gave me Torpe when I was in like fourth grade.

[SPEAKER_13]: And that stuck until I was in like ninth grade. [SPEAKER_04]: So there's your older sister, right? [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, my sister carried her friend Jenna. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm saying, older siblings, we do those kinds of things. [SPEAKER_13]: But it's her friend, not my sister. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, still, you know, it's the age thing. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand it. [SPEAKER_04]: I just know that it happened because I have an older sister.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I was Amy's brother for years, just because, you know, my sister Amy, what are you? [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, hi. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you by the way for coming in. [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about old names. [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about. [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about fun stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we talk politics here at the politics bar, but we also talk about little kinds of other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Jihad and everything. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I love him so much. [SPEAKER_04]: They, okay, this is just right now. [SPEAKER_04]: They have a war in the economy. [SPEAKER_04]: They still have their war on immigration. [SPEAKER_04]: They have a war in education. [SPEAKER_04]: They were having wars on Capitol Hill. [SPEAKER_05]: And they were, they were batting maybe five hundred on each of these. [SPEAKER_13]: Not anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, [SPEAKER_04]: I'll go, they're not doing very well. [SPEAKER_04]: Trump's tariffs are set to go into effect this week, and it's going to cost US consumers heavily. [SPEAKER_04]: And as a day of day and over at the prospect writes, his tariffs are collectocracy in action. [SPEAKER_04]: You could, you should read the piece. [SPEAKER_04]: I won't go through all of it. [SPEAKER_04]: But it is, look, it's theft. [SPEAKER_04]: It is absolutely. [SPEAKER_11]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: And yes, that does tie to the BLS stuff and the job's numbers, but it's still technically a little bit different. [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, the other nations that have done stupid things like Donald Trump, David, with firing the head of the BLS, Greece did this. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they did. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they did. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there was at twenty-tenth. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Andres George, I remember his name.

[SPEAKER_04]: He took over his head of their BLS, found they were massively understating budget deficits. [SPEAKER_04]: Other people in the Greek government, the equivalent of Margaret Republicans, tried to prosecute him, despite independent reviews that said, no, he's just an accountant doing the numbers. [SPEAKER_04]: He's doing his job. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but but at least at least he survived. [SPEAKER_04]: He it wasn't so bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this is this is a historical one and people like Bruce Bartley to mention this to me. [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen this on on other famous economists, former former and current economists, a Lempie, a Lempive, Quebec can the Soviet census official under Stalin. [SPEAKER_04]: He was arrested and executed when his population count came in lower than Stalin had announced. [SPEAKER_13]: because he counted numbers. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, don't do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, don't don't count accurate. [SPEAKER_04]: Leave you like to anyway. [SPEAKER_04]: I say I am still I'm out to. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm out to a couple different economists on this. [SPEAKER_04]: Jared Bernstein being the primary one. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, to find out about what they think. [SPEAKER_04]: I know Jared says he's a little worried.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned that Friday that he's a little worried, but [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of depends on if Trump takes another whack at the BLS. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And Trump is looking to install new people to BLS. [SPEAKER_04]: One of the Fed governors left early and that gave Trump an opening, but there are still majority of Fed governors are not Trump people. [SPEAKER_13]: Nope. [SPEAKER_04]: And most of the people to BLS are just the BLS people.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're being counters. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, that's what they do. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and they understand that their job is to count accurately because everybody else on all sides uses their numbers. [SPEAKER_04]: The Wall Street. [SPEAKER_04]: Wall Street folks, the Congress, the Senate. [SPEAKER_04]: Foreign governments. [SPEAKER_04]: Foreign governments. [SPEAKER_04]: Foreign governments, the invest in this country.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and many of them don't necessarily have the same compunctions about killing people, Vladimir Putin, as our government nominally does. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they are well aware of the BLS of how important and how responsible their jobs are. [SPEAKER_13]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: So they tend to leave the politics out of it because that's who they are. [SPEAKER_04]: That's if you don't make political job. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is absolutely not a political job, which should be the case at the Supreme Court. [SPEAKER_04]: But we know that that's definitely not to the case. [SPEAKER_04]: Jasmine Crocket, she was out at a move on event in Arizona.

[SPEAKER_04]: uh... over the weekend uh... that's where in hour one we play the bit where she announced that the Texas Democrats over were her former colleagues uh... left they went to Chicago they went to New York they went to Boston uh... to break quorum so that the republicans can't just run in and steal five u.s. [SPEAKER_13]: house seats and abat wants to arrest them

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's the funny thing is that he wants to arrest them, but he does not have any authority to do so outside of Texas. [SPEAKER_04]: Texas. [SPEAKER_04]: And in fact, recent Supreme Court rulings have verified that whether you're the governor or the legislative body of a state or even a judge in a state, if you're from a state, the authority you have ends at the edge of your state. [SPEAKER_13]: I remember when Wisconsin Democrats did that against Scott Walker years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: Blocked out and blocked him by breaking corn. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, all kinds of states. [SPEAKER_04]: We mentioned this that Texas has done this going back all the way to eighteen seventy. [SPEAKER_04]: This is not new. [SPEAKER_04]: This is this is not a new tactic. [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, if so the way that Abbott says that he's going to try to get rid of these Texas Democrats is he's going to say that they are abandoning their posts and therefore he can replace them.

[SPEAKER_04]: but of course that will be taken immediately instantly to a judge and the judge will say no Republicans and Democrats in Texas history and in other states have left to prevent a quorum prevent the full number of people from being able to pass a bill. [SPEAKER_04]: That's a quorum is. [SPEAKER_04]: And no, they're not abandoning their post.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, by doing this, they are doing the one action they can take to prevent the governor from being able to take the Texas Rangers and go and grab them by the hair and drag their ass in. [SPEAKER_04]: So they're doing exactly if they were not doing that. [SPEAKER_04]: If they were, you know, if they what Chicago to see a game at Ridley Field, that's one thing. [SPEAKER_04]: That's one thing. [SPEAKER_04]: They're in Chicago if they went to New York to see the Met.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the Yankees are Broadway. [SPEAKER_04]: That's something different. [SPEAKER_04]: If they went to Boston, just see the Celtics or maybe the WNB-A team. [SPEAKER_04]: Talk about that too. [SPEAKER_13]: Our Los Angeles deceased Jesus Christ Superstar at the Hollywood Bowl. [SPEAKER_04]: There you go, but they're not in any of those places for those reasons. [SPEAKER_04]: They're there because they're stopping quorum.

[SPEAKER_04]: They are literally doing their job the only way they can by not being in Texas. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: So Abbott will try to take it to court. [SPEAKER_04]: A court will say, no, they are still doing their job and therefore you cannot replace them. [SPEAKER_04]: So it will come to the end of a session because the session can't go forever without doing the things that they're supposed to do. [SPEAKER_13]: So, how does it keep restarting it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's, look, that's why for those people who are saying that Democrats, you know, there are some people who are saying the Democrats are being hypocrites about this type of stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: And I absolutely, I don't think Democrats are being hypocritical at all about this. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, Jasmine Crockett, I mentioned her, she had a great rejoinder to this, basically saying, who's to blame for these redistricting wars? [SPEAKER_04]: And she has the answer.

[SPEAKER_07]: We need to have some real guardrails around this Supreme Court, because the Supreme Court has paved the way for half the stuff that we see this going on. [SPEAKER_07]: Listen, Donald Trump is a piece of, okay, we know that. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, yes, he is. [SPEAKER_07]: He is. [SPEAKER_07]: But in a functioning democracy, he still would not be able to get away with this. [SPEAKER_07]: But he's been able to get away with this because the House Republicans are complicit.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's been able to get away with this because Senate Republicans are complicit. [SPEAKER_07]: But most importantly, [SPEAKER_07]: The courts, especially the Supreme Court, is complicit. [SPEAKER_07]: They are the highest court in the lands and they have no ethics guardrails. [SPEAKER_07]: Now you go down to the law courts and they do. [SPEAKER_07]: How much this is that make? [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we know that they're taking money.

[SPEAKER_07]: We have the paper trail and they refuse to put guardrails on themselves. [SPEAKER_07]: So it's time for us to do it for them. [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, man. [SPEAKER_07]: Preach. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, she's great. [SPEAKER_04]: She's great. [SPEAKER_04]: And she's right about who's responsibility is. [SPEAKER_04]: Who got us here? [SPEAKER_04]: Part of it is, I mean, look, she's right to say the house, the Senate, and the courts.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there's one group of people she did miss as to who is responsible. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the voters who sat their asses out and didn't get involved. [SPEAKER_04]: Should have get involved, didn't do things, didn't, you know, everything will be fun. [SPEAKER_04]: Both parties are the thing. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: That makes you so mad when somebody says that. [SPEAKER_13]: Especially now, especially now.

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, if you look at like, nineteen, seventy nine, nineteen, eighty, ninety four. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you can look back, but up until about, come on for the fifties and sixties, even. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, especially then. [SPEAKER_13]: Sure. [SPEAKER_13]: Very similar. [SPEAKER_04]: What there were conservative Democrats and conservative Republicans. [SPEAKER_04]: There were liberal Democrats and there were liberal Republicans. [SPEAKER_13]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_13]: And nowadays it's. [SPEAKER_13]: So not the same. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, it is completely not the same. [SPEAKER_04]: It is not hypocritical for Democrats to say, look, this is not the same thing. [SPEAKER_04]: And we're gonna do things a little bit differently around here. [SPEAKER_04]: Kathy Huckle, when she had some of the Texas Democrats up there, she really laid it out and I love the way she did it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna, why would it be unfair to say that New York Democrats are abandoning good government, good democracy in effort to save democracy? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's an interesting question, but if that's what's called for, if that's what's called for, I will put saving democracy as my top priority. [SPEAKER_01]: And any cost, because it is under siege, just like those who put on a uniform, to fight in battles across the ages. [SPEAKER_01]: For centuries, we've stood up and fought.

[SPEAKER_01]: What has been shed? [SPEAKER_01]: This is our moment in twenty twenty five to stand up for all that we hold dear and that it would be destroyed. [SPEAKER_01]: They bunch of renegades and place called Texas. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a war. [SPEAKER_01]: We are at war. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why the gloves are off, and I say bring it on. [SPEAKER_01]: And a girl. [SPEAKER_04]: The Democrats are standing up all over the place.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so are independence and so are non-Trump Republicans. [SPEAKER_04]: That's, we've said that in this bar. [SPEAKER_04]: And anywhere we happen to be, that is generally your philosophy, I believe, Jody. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, we want a bigger tent. [SPEAKER_04]: And if you're not insane, we'd like you in our tent. [SPEAKER_04]: That's just how it goes. [SPEAKER_04]: We like you in our bar, too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Come on. [SPEAKER_04]: Monday night. [SPEAKER_04]: You see Brooklyn dad of Park LaJody? [SPEAKER_13]: Not yet. [SPEAKER_13]: He's on his way though. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: We will go check. [SPEAKER_04]: We will bring him in. [SPEAKER_04]: And we will get some refresh drinks for ourselves. [SPEAKER_04]: You do the same thing. [SPEAKER_04]: All right. [SPEAKER_04]: Come on back.

[SPEAKER_16]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Monday nights at the politics bar, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Majene, dancing his way into the bar with Joe de Hamilton. [SPEAKER_04]: And of course me, Sean Smith Pierce. [SPEAKER_04]: Me the day how you doing man, how was your weekend? [SPEAKER_04]: Hey!

[SPEAKER_10]: Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds Reminds [SPEAKER_10]: Well, you know, so everybody doesn't play fantasy football, right?

[SPEAKER_10]: And it's funny because I know from the inside looking out and the outside looking in, like most people think that their fantasy football team is like the most important thing that's happening right now, you know. [SPEAKER_04]: But they're a big fantasy football player. [SPEAKER_04]: I get that. [SPEAKER_04]: Some people, yep. [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, so I've been I've been a part of this league with my friends for about twenty six years not an in six years.

[SPEAKER_13]: So you joined when you're like two. [SPEAKER_10]: No, what was it? [SPEAKER_10]: Two thousand nineteen ninety nine so yeah and [SPEAKER_10]: So they've decided to make some changes to the league that I thought were stupid. [SPEAKER_10]: We're absolutely stupid. [SPEAKER_04]: One is some rule changes that they just kind of don't necessarily, I mean, they don't make some people playing, but they don't make sense for you, at least. [SPEAKER_10]: They don't make sense period.

[SPEAKER_10]: One is like they decided to draft earlier rather than wait to see if any of these guys get injured, if they get hurt. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, that's important. [SPEAKER_10]: But the one that bug me is that we're in a fourteen team league, which means it's already slim pickings. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Already like very few guys to choose from.

[SPEAKER_10]: And [SPEAKER_10]: They've decided to make one of the positions a tight end, like a mandatory position. [SPEAKER_10]: So it's going to sound like a lot of inside. [SPEAKER_04]: I get it. [SPEAKER_10]: I want to lose your listeners, but it's a dumb decision. [SPEAKER_04]: I agree. [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, it's no way simple. [SPEAKER_04]: I can I can simplify it. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always good at simplifying it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look, the way that it works when you do fantasy football like this is you have to pick from the players who are actively playing, who aren't necessarily, if you have a lot of teams in your league, the people who are picking the actual football players to participate in their virtual league, the more league, the more teams you have in your league, the less people they have to pick from, and then they make mandatory.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they say maybe you pick six players from different things and three of them are these positions. [SPEAKER_04]: So it makes, it makes it more difficult for you to build the kind of team that you want to build. [SPEAKER_13]: See, my fantasy football team would be the nineteen eighty nine forty nine hours, but that's just me. [SPEAKER_05]: My, my fantasy football was in Steve Young. [SPEAKER_13]: Steve Young. [SPEAKER_05]: Steve Young.

[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, but yes, Steve Young, Joe Montana. [SPEAKER_13]: It just, it was Joe and then Steve and then I forget the quarterback. [SPEAKER_13]: He played third string. [SPEAKER_13]: in the Super Bowl that year. [SPEAKER_13]: And be Denver. [SPEAKER_13]: Fifty four to ten. [SPEAKER_13]: Jerry Rice is my guy. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: For me, it would be college football and that would be the, well, I haven't ever told you guys this story.

[SPEAKER_04]: When I was at Husker Sports and we basically got one over on ESPN. [SPEAKER_04]: So ESPN had their, you know, best teams ever, best college teams ever.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the folks at ESPN perpetually have have dogned on Nebraska, even in the nineties, when Nebraska was some of the best teams ever, they still were like, no, only coastal teams literally in college sports, Notre Dame's nickname used to be called overrated because those people who love Notre Dame, Notre Dame could be the worst team in college football. [SPEAKER_04]: And the people who love them will still say, they're the best team ever.

[SPEAKER_04]: So somebody would ask, you know, so you'd be like, you know, how the Huskers do, how the J-Hawks do, how do I overrated do? [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, you know, people are like, oh my gosh, snap. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but everybody knew what they're talking about. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, so ESPN decides to do the best college football teams ever as voted by the fans. [SPEAKER_04]: And they put it up on their website.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now this was two thousand six. [SPEAKER_04]: And ESPN hadn't really thought to do their technology, correct at that point. [SPEAKER_04]: So what you could do is if you wanted to vote for a team is that you would go on their website and you would go vote for the team. [SPEAKER_04]: And then you would clear the cookies from your browser and you would go back in and you could vote again. [SPEAKER_04]: And then you would go with cheating. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, [SPEAKER_04]: you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I won't say cheating. [SPEAKER_04]: But I will say that five nights a week for multiple weeks as ESPN was doing this. [SPEAKER_04]: Remember, I happen to be the executive producer of the network. [SPEAKER_04]: And we had a sports talk show three hours three hour sports talk show.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we made sure that at least once an hour we mentioned it's [SPEAKER_04]: all the listeners that if you wanted to vote for the Nebraska corn huskers all you had to do was go to the ESPN website vote for them and then clear the cookies on your browser and if you didn't know how ask somebody young and they would teach you how to do it so we did this so they eventually get to the countdown [SPEAKER_04]: And Kirk Herb Street, who used to just have a huge hate on Nebraska.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he would hate. [SPEAKER_04]: So they get to the point where it's down to the last two teams. [SPEAKER_04]: And the final two teams are Nebraska. [SPEAKER_04]: Corn Huskers, nineteen, seventy one and Nebraska. [SPEAKER_04]: Corn Huskers, nineteen, ninety five.

[SPEAKER_04]: and cook a street gets on the ground and does this this three stuages in a circle tantrum kind of thing because he can't believe that it's Nebraska versus Nebraska and my thought is maybe next time herb street they could pay you a little bit less and pay their IT people just a little bit more thank you [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so just to double check, it was Joe Montana was the first string. [SPEAKER_13]: Steve Young was second string and Steve Bono was the third string.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's nice. [SPEAKER_13]: And they won fifty five to ten, not fifty four to ten at the that year. [SPEAKER_13]: Against the Broncos and I was living in Denver at the time and it was hilarious. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you better for you, even better for you. [SPEAKER_10]: I want to say about your corn husk story. [SPEAKER_10]: This system was rigged. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, when the rules are that particular way.

[SPEAKER_04]: There is a story that actually kind of reminds me of that's in our entertainment block at the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_04]: So Jimmy Kimmel has begun his own campaign for the Emmys. [SPEAKER_04]: And he has voted on as well. [SPEAKER_04]: And his ad campaign, he is voting for Stephen Colbert and the late show. [SPEAKER_04]: And he's telling all of his viewers to vote for Stephen Colbert. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I mean, people in the academy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,

[SPEAKER_13]: make make it a wave so that the people in the academy can't even you know that that they decide to do the same thing as the popular people are doing under the billboard is here on in Hollywood and it's on Sunset Boulevard these are huge billboards because this is campaign season right now because September is when it happens right and I'm an academy voter so trust me I'm going to [SPEAKER_04]: vote for Stephen. [SPEAKER_13]: Of course. [SPEAKER_04]: I love.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love the idea. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's those are the rules. [SPEAKER_04]: If you don't like the rules change the rules folks, but of course, like anything, if you want to change rules, you have to vote for the people who will get into the organization who will then change the rules, kind of like Congress. [SPEAKER_04]: So if you don't like the rules, you got to win the elections first. [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_04]: See, that's [SPEAKER_04]: How works in your city hall? [SPEAKER_04]: That's how it works in your state legislature. [SPEAKER_04]: That works in Congress and that's how it works in the MIA Academy. [SPEAKER_04]: There you go. [SPEAKER_13]: And there was some news. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: That's the whole thing. [SPEAKER_13]: Lonnie Anderson passed away. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, two days before eight. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, two days before eight.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's birthday for everybody in radio. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Lonnie Anderson and look, look, the actress who played Bailey. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we look. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, not Jan. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Jan. [SPEAKER_04]: We. [SPEAKER_04]: We radio people, especially rock and roll radio people. [SPEAKER_04]: I spent the largest portion of my music radio career at a classic rock station and totally Johnny Feaver, absolutely an icon.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we all love, we all knew a girl like Lonnie Anderson, most of us did at our stations, a woman who dropped that gorgeous much smarter than the people think. [SPEAKER_04]: So at my station, there were a couple of them. [SPEAKER_04]: My station complex. [SPEAKER_04]: One of them, this is before my wife and I were married. [SPEAKER_04]: We were on a [SPEAKER_04]: separation time, whatever, and I went on a date with the girl at the front desk, and she was one of those people.

[SPEAKER_04]: But she wasn't as good as the other. [SPEAKER_04]: The other one I got to be really good friends with her name was her on air name was Hot Heidi. [SPEAKER_04]: And Heidi is freaking brilliant. [SPEAKER_04]: And she's a great businesswoman now. [SPEAKER_04]: She's a great mom. [SPEAKER_04]: She's, she's freaking, but I mean, you're rocking all your radio people would be like, man, she's, she's sexy. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, yeah, she's also way smarter than you do.

[SPEAKER_04]: Way. [SPEAKER_13]: And that was Lonnie Anderson's idea about the character. [SPEAKER_04]: But that's isn't, isn't that who she really was, too, as an actress? [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously she was. [SPEAKER_13]: I got to meet her a couple of times and she and Lonnie, my husband, got along because of their names. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that makes sense. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: He spells it differently than she did.

[SPEAKER_13]: But she was, I met her like twice once I think when she was still with Mr. Reynolds and then after and I know they after because we all had dinner together and [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, she was with Bert Reynolds for years and she was with us for my uncle Jim. [SPEAKER_13]: We were having a part if we get why we were going this place, but it was my uncle Jim hosted this thing and and Lonnie Anderson her son with Mr Reynolds.

[SPEAKER_13]: They were there and she could not have been nicer by the way like [SPEAKER_13]: You walk into the room and it's Lonnie Anderson for F-sake, right? [SPEAKER_13]: It's like icon, you know, and she couldn't have been more down to Earth and so sweet to my husband who was my boyfriend at the time, because she was flirting with him and it was adorable. [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm like, stay away, lady. [SPEAKER_13]: No, she was, she, I mean, I'm so sad that she's gone.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: She was just, and anybody, I know a bunch of people that worked with her too, and just, they have nothing bad to say about her. [SPEAKER_04]: She was a Midwest girl. [SPEAKER_04]: She was from a St. [SPEAKER_04]: Paul. [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: She's been a son of a girl. [SPEAKER_04]: For you AM-Nine-Fifty listeners, we know she was one of yours. [SPEAKER_04]: So, but, yeah, just, I mean, these icons keep passing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just kind of, you know, it's shocking. [SPEAKER_04]: It's shocking. [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, it's shocking. [SPEAKER_10]: It's shocking. [SPEAKER_10]: It's shocking because eight, eight years old is not really old. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: The older we get, the younger we get, the younger eighties. [SPEAKER_13]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: Also, I mean, yeah, people are living longer, they're healthier, but yeah, I mean, eighties doesn't seem like it's that old anymore.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, I mean, I mean, I'm late for July last week. [SPEAKER_13]: Tom Lairer, who was an icon to me, the composer and singer Tom Lairer? [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: He was ninety-seven. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he had a few years in him, yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: You know? [SPEAKER_13]: But he's still a great, I mean, and he, I just, I still have his records on vinyl. [SPEAKER_13]: I have two of them.

[UNKNOWN]: Cool. [SPEAKER_13]: cool he was he was ledger he's I mean you know honestly Rocky Mountain Mike I think would would consider Lairer kind of one of his absolutely time Lairer was such a brilliant satirist songwriter I mean new math alone let alone the Vatican rag I mean I can go on it's just such a brilliant he worked for the electric company and he worked for Sesame Street he did a lot of stuff

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, speaking which those there there is something in the in the news on that that isn't necessarily great of the corporation for public broadcasting has been forced to to begin to shut down following the recision cuts by the Republican Congress, which I don't know how you two feel about that. [SPEAKER_04]: That one that one hit me in the fields over the weekend when I heard that the CPP was going to get shut down.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's so it's so stupid and unnecessary and mean it just to me it's it's mean spirited like [SPEAKER_10]: You're not saving that much money. [SPEAKER_10]: No, no. [SPEAKER_10]: Like if if money was the issue, but obviously it wasn't the issue. [SPEAKER_10]: The issue was, you know, those square eggheads, you know, will show them. [SPEAKER_10]: We'll show them, you know, we'll teach them a lesson about trying to teach under privileged kids how to read, you know.

[SPEAKER_10]: Like so when I was growing up, uh, I spent a lot of time watching Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers neighborhood and electric company. [SPEAKER_10]: And that was like that was like the the the base of my educational experience. [SPEAKER_10]: I got a lot out of it. [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm very sad for the future generations of kids. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: That are going to be deprived of that because of this. [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know even know what to call it.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's just it's mean. [SPEAKER_10]: It's draconian is a great word for it. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it's it's unnecessary, but it's not even just that the kids programming it is. [SPEAKER_04]: So there are God, what is it? [SPEAKER_04]: Sixty stations that that are are looking at shutting out radio stations. [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of these are in on tribal land. [SPEAKER_04]: We got a lot of Native American stations. [SPEAKER_04]: You got a lot of rural stations.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that that one of their big one of their few local stations that they have that does local information is their local public broadcasting station. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to have to shut down now because of these jerks and Congress because these Republicans who use the recision technique, which we definitely will we we want to talk about that here we come back as that is [SPEAKER_04]: There's a certain level of trust that's involved in government at every level.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this jackass, Russ Vaughn, he wants to keep doing this. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think people are really going to start with the CPB going away. [SPEAKER_04]: I think people are really going to start figuring out feeling this really, feeling in their communities and their lives. [SPEAKER_04]: What this cruelty that Republicans are doing is, and I think it's [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of things you're probably going to try to do to steal the next elections coming up.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I think this is going to be one of those things that is going to go against them no matter what they do because. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, well, we'll talk about that. [SPEAKER_04]: BDD you hang around for another round. [SPEAKER_04]: I am here. [SPEAKER_04]: He is here. [SPEAKER_04]: He is dancing. [SPEAKER_04]: He is having a good time. [SPEAKER_04]: We hope you were having a good time as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or, hey, go to politicsbar.com, six dollars a month, get to that podcast and sleep. [SPEAKER_04]: All right, it is last call. [SPEAKER_04]: I did mention this because I wanted to mention this because I think it's pretty important. [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously to us, electric company, Sesame Street. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Austin City limits, something that I really have loved as an adult. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's so many, there's so much great programming on PBS and on NPR.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, wait, don't tell me. [SPEAKER_04]: I love that. [SPEAKER_13]: No, but it does stuff on PBS, you know, I mean, great. [SPEAKER_13]: I learned a lot about your mind. [SPEAKER_04]: I learned a lot about science. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: All kinds of stuff you can learn about space, the beautiful pictures they have from the Hubble telescope. [SPEAKER_04]: All of this stuff is important.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is something that I mentioned it before. [SPEAKER_04]: Charles Gaba, a data guy who does a lot of stuff with healthcare, his stuff is going to become more important as we get near some of these cuts on the ACA. [SPEAKER_04]: That is also coming from this recision. [SPEAKER_04]: The decision bill isn't the big ugly bill that passed. [SPEAKER_04]: It isn't the large lousy law now as we call it here. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for that label, Johnny.

[SPEAKER_13]: I stole it from somebody. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I think it's from Richard shoe or somebody that he was talking to. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but I stole it. [SPEAKER_04]: But look, it's but the fact is [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't, it was a separate thing. [SPEAKER_04]: And now when Congress, Congress is out, the House is out, the Senate is out, they've got their vacation all the way through this month.

[SPEAKER_04]: They will come back and they have a September-thirty deadline to fund the government. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we've got this jackass. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, Russ Vaughn. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, that one. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And there's so many. [SPEAKER_13]: I know. [SPEAKER_13]: It's like, which one? [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: It's just a little bit of a vertical in order of importance.

[SPEAKER_04]: When they showed up, by me, or male or female, right, you know, I would have guessed Mike Johnson. [SPEAKER_10]: When you said this jackass that was the first one. [SPEAKER_04]: I probably would have said tiny Johnson just because you know the tire. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know exactly, but not a tall man.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, and not a big band in any way and I'll let you guys figure that one out, but [SPEAKER_04]: Russ Watts is the head of OMB and the office of management and budget and he is the one who is really pushing a lot of Republicans to say that they are going to come back and they are going to do more decisions whatever the budget bill is no matter what Democrats and Republicans agree on that they're going to come back and do the budget bill now

[SPEAKER_04]: I might ask both of you a question as we're sitting here in the bar tonight. [SPEAKER_04]: If we were, well, you and I are business partners, Jody, but let's say that BDD, you were in with us on this. [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, I'm going to bring you a plan about what we should do with the money that we have coming in next on how to invest it. [SPEAKER_04]: And then regardless of what we all three decide, I'm going to take the money and do whatever I want with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you guys feel about that? [SPEAKER_10]: It's unscrupulous. [SPEAKER_10]: It's perfect words. [SPEAKER_10]: And that's a BS move to do. [SPEAKER_10]: It's a frankly. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's exactly what Republicans are planning to do. [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks to Ross Vaughn. [SPEAKER_04]: Because Ross is pushing this and saying, regardless of what Democrats agree to on the budget to fund the government to keep it open, regardless of what they agree to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Republicans are just going to come back and say, no, I don't like that. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't like that. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't like that. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to cut away just like they're doing with your decisions on the corporation for public broadcasting on PBS on NPR on things like UNICEF aid for these starving children. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what Russ fought wants to do and say Democrats can pound sand.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Democrats and because the mainstream media is stupid and they always have to push this false balance, they will be like, but don't you understand, you have to keep the government open. [SPEAKER_04]: Democrats are going to look at it the same way you two just did and say, why should I agree to anything with you? [SPEAKER_04]: Because no matter what I agree to, you're going to change the rules after the game. [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to play a fantasy football game.

[SPEAKER_04]: And when the game is done because I don't like the fact I lost, I'm going to fire the rough, change the rules and change the score. [SPEAKER_04]: So I win. [SPEAKER_04]: Why would anybody play fantasy football with that person? [SPEAKER_10]: Would you? [SPEAKER_10]: Not absolutely not. [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm glad you framed it that way, not just because of my recent fancy football.

[SPEAKER_10]: But I have a serious issue with what Republicans are allowing to be done to the rule of law, to the balance of power in Congress. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, they're completely abdicated, abdicating their authority, their responsibility. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_10]: So what we're looking at is half of the Congress is going to let Donald Trump do what Donald Trump wants to do, period, end of discussion regardless if it's, if it's right or wrong, like look what he just did with [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, what are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_10]: You're fired her because she gave you numbers. [SPEAKER_10]: You didn't like. [SPEAKER_10]: So now anything that comes out of that. [SPEAKER_10]: Department is going to be suspect.

[SPEAKER_10]: Nobody's going to leave it. [SPEAKER_10]: And here we have the erosion of trust in government and trusting information and what's left. [SPEAKER_10]: What's left is for Donald Trump to complete his authoritarian takeover of the government. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: That's what Vice President Harris just said last week. [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's also why so many of these Democrats, I'm glad they're standing up. [SPEAKER_04]: You have a great piece that you wrote in your sub-stack to find dispatches called Democrats a time to get dirty how to beat Trump and win back America. [SPEAKER_04]: People should definitely click through a way. [SPEAKER_04]: It's in the guest section of the news on tap. [SPEAKER_04]: I do recommend reading it because well, did you see BDD what happened over the weekend with the Senate?

[SPEAKER_04]: you know a bag on Chuck sugar right? [SPEAKER_04]: I've been like in a truck is right. [SPEAKER_04]: He's easy to bag on. [SPEAKER_04]: But he's so easy to bag on, but Mr. Sterlingly worded litter. [SPEAKER_13]: Extra guy with his glasses down like that. [SPEAKER_04]: And the Chuck and the Senate Democrats, so Republicans had this, I think you're right, Jordan. [SPEAKER_04]: You think of our hundred nominations that they want to ram through.

[SPEAKER_04]: And in the past, what they've done is Democrats and Republicans in the Senate agree to, I don't know, like three quarters of the nominees, and they pass them all in a mass crash. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And then they can then they can jet home early. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, uh, Schumer in the Democrats said because you guys are going to screw us when we come back on the budget and because you screwed us already on the other budget with the resisions.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can pound sand. [SPEAKER_04]: We are approving nothing, and we are allowing none of these votes in as much as they could. [SPEAKER_04]: They were able to get through one vote, so they got through Janine Puro, whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: But otherwise, there's still hundreds of them that sit there, pissed off Trump so bad. [SPEAKER_04]: He was blasting Schumer. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: I had to laugh.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what do you tell a Chuck Schumer you can go to hell? [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, lazy Chuck Schumer or something like that. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And what's weird is I mean, they could soon could just recess the Senate, but apparently they're not recessed technically, which means the Donald can't even do recess appointments.

[SPEAKER_04]: right in far in part because the house is not recessed either because once recess once a technical recess happens that that gives the minority party certain powers and they want to give the minority party no powers. [SPEAKER_04]: So they have to do what's called pro forma sessions where basically they have one member of the majority party who goes in. [SPEAKER_04]: Gavals in the session and says we're here.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not doing anything session is done, which also just allows Donald from recession appointments. [SPEAKER_04]: Right Trump can't do any recess appointments. [SPEAKER_10]: I wish your viewers could see the look on my face right now. [SPEAKER_10]: It would be a little bit like. [SPEAKER_10]: Tell me more Mr. Science. [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just learning these things. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I remember this during Obama.

[SPEAKER_13]: I remember this especially with Obama because Mitch McConnell refused to recess the Senate so that Obama couldn't put in any more judges. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Because when the Senate and the House are recessed, then the president is allowed to do recess appointments.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there are other things that the people who are the minority members of the bodies can do, etc. [SPEAKER_04]: So long in short, Republicans can't have their cake and eat it too on these kinds of things. [SPEAKER_04]: They can't allow Trump to do the recess appointments and also still have the pro-form assassins of the House and Senate. [SPEAKER_04]: They have to do one other.

[SPEAKER_10]: So the stuff you're talking about now, right, is what I alluded to in my very angrily written screen. [SPEAKER_10]: Look, it's a good thing to come back. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, man, I don't know what had gotten me so riled up, but I was like, have you ever been so angry that when you're typing? [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, you shake? [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, you shake? [SPEAKER_10]: He's like, no, your keys are like, clock, clock, clock, clock, clock.

[SPEAKER_04]: and you're doing a soft touch keyboard and they're still glad. [SPEAKER_10]: So yeah, I want our side to use every arcane obscure procedural trick and delay that the possibly can use. [SPEAKER_10]: Like what the Texas Democrat you're doing right now, how they

[SPEAKER_10]: uh... beat a path out of texas uh... just uh... so they could to deny them uh... for more and so they can't uh... what's the word uh... can't pass out of the under these districts right yeah i love it i absolutely love it so more of that from my democrats please mm-hmm amen yes that's that's what we were talking about i think what was it last week or talking about quarry booker stood up and yeah i mean you held it at yelled at everybody in the senate going hey why are we bowling over

[SPEAKER_04]: and book her by way did not vote for what's your name drunk he make drunkers in from junk town was that out loud oh yeah now look look you know when when when when when you talk with your name pure oh especially now that she's the you know DA over over dc or whatever you you have to be very careful when you use the word proof because she might be like hunter [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I love that smile that you just gave Jodie because yes, it's a little devilish, but it's also true.

[SPEAKER_04]: And look, we have to, as you're saying, BDD, use every single, every moment, every, everything across the board. [SPEAKER_04]: No, this is not fun. [SPEAKER_04]: There are there are a lot of Democrats who are admitting they would much rather have a fair redistricting. [SPEAKER_04]: They would much rather have a fair process. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think most Americans were democratic independent Republican would prefer that our politics be fair and just.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's not how the Republicans are playing right now. [SPEAKER_04]: That's not how the Republicans are playing. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're not going to play that way anytime soon. [SPEAKER_10]: I would love to go back to, I'm going to say it was somewhere in the nineties when Congress was still functioning like a normal body, when you have to. [SPEAKER_10]: So prior to [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_10]: You had disagreements.

[SPEAKER_10]: People obviously had very strong disagreements with amongst each other. [SPEAKER_10]: But they got lost. [SPEAKER_10]: But they were still able to get stuff past. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, they were still able to do things. [SPEAKER_13]: They made each other for a drink and talk that way.

[SPEAKER_13]: You know, I mean, it was a whole different way to govern than we lost because partly because of New [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of this back to new is he was he was a cancer on our national politics and it's still not cured of that yeah unfortunately or not that that and fox right wing propaganda media has been a massive cancer to all of this and it is [SPEAKER_10]: I have two questions. [SPEAKER_10]: Two questions. [SPEAKER_10]: Question number one.

[SPEAKER_10]: Question number one is do Democrats have enough in their bag of tricks to to to make twenty twenty six a meaningful year and question number two is is the Democratic face fully behind them. [SPEAKER_10]: Excellent questions. [SPEAKER_04]: Those are great questions. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think anybody's got the answer to that. [SPEAKER_04]: We can try to answer it as we're clean and stuff up here in the bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, well, maybe doing a little bit of an after hours thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can find that later on this evening at the politics bar dot com. [SPEAKER_04]: BDD. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for coming. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see you next Monday. [SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: As Jody and Brigitte dance, we are cleaning up heading out. [SPEAKER_04]: We will see you here tomorrow. [SPEAKER_04]: I believe who's in tomorrow, Jody? [SPEAKER_04]: Kimberly Johnson of the refrigerator. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Kimberly Johnson will be here tomorrow. [SPEAKER_04]: We got some more guests. [SPEAKER_04]: We're trying to get in for the week. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll tell you about them tomorrow too. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, get yourself home safe. [SPEAKER_04]: Get you some sleep. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see you back in tomorrow night at the post.