Ladies' Night September 26, 2025

[SPEAKER_07]: It's political, thank you, credit card. [SPEAKER_00]: You think it's a fun way that you are, the politics class. [SPEAKER_07]: Shonsmith Pearson, Jodie Hamilton. [SPEAKER_12]: It's Friday, Jodie. [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, it is, Sean. [SPEAKER_04]: Woo-hoo! [SPEAKER_04]: Yay! [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very excited because it's been a long week for you and for me and probably for you guys here who are coming into the bar, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Lot of news, but it's better than some of you think, it's better than some of the mainstream media people are saying, mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a little tell y'all about that. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, big thanks by the way to everybody coming in from all of our great affiliates, whether you are listening on WCPT, AMA 20 in Chicago, or AM950, Minneapolis, April, maybe you're listening on the D2 or talk in Tennessee, or

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, while you're listening live, and then later if you miss something you scroll back and then you've got it there. [SPEAKER_04]: It's quite thick. [SPEAKER_12]: Exactly, exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: So how you day then? [SPEAKER_12]: It's been okay. [SPEAKER_12]: We might have, I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_12]: I think they just left, but two friends of mine came over to meet the cat that adopted us.

[SPEAKER_12]: And he's been staying in our guest house at night, and he figured out how to open a drawer. [SPEAKER_12]: We have this little kind of small little dresser kind of thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I mean, you know, sleep wherever you want to. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_12]: So he's been, I mean, he's been safely sleeping in there. [SPEAKER_12]: He thinks that we're outside, then he starts to be very loud. [SPEAKER_12]: He's very talkative. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's not a cool.

[SPEAKER_12]: But Hill calmed down and go to sleep. [SPEAKER_12]: You know, at least he's safe in way from the raccoons at night. [SPEAKER_12]: You know, we were kind of worried about that situation. [SPEAKER_12]: Right. [SPEAKER_12]: So we basically put him in. [SPEAKER_12]: around 7 or 8 and then let him out around 5 or 30 or 6 because the sun starting to come up then and the raccoons have left at that point.

[SPEAKER_12]: So hopefully hopefully Emily and Gregory will take him and if not, Lonnie talked to somebody that does kitten and cat rescues and she knows a bunch of people that will foster him. [SPEAKER_12]: So if Emily and Gregory can't take him for whatever [SPEAKER_04]: I like that Linus mayonnaise, you guys know you know, it's interesting. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, not the only that there are plenty of fun references, plenty of good information.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're very glad that Jody is rescuing cats. [SPEAKER_04]: We're very glad that you guys are doing whatever you were doing. [SPEAKER_04]: Big thanks to the folks in Chicago, by the way, who are protesting the end of the time. [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, amen to them. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk with Karen from Chicago, and a near from San Antonio, later from True Blue politics. [SPEAKER_04]: Also we have Rebecca Pakwala pose as a great piece in today.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is in the advocate, actually, we link to it in yesterday's news on tap. [SPEAKER_04]: uh... but it is great to basically uh... democrats there are things you guys can be doing to uh... to win more elections and we'll we'll talk about that with Rebecca uh... so okay [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, James Komi. [SPEAKER_04]: I guess that's where we should start. [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I mean, it was it's just so dumb. [SPEAKER_04]: It is the it is completely empty vengeance.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is absolutely it is some of the stupidest stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: And I am, you know, I'm like, whatever, I just, for those of you missed it, Donald Trump pushed through or his, his idiots, Lindsey Halligan, the current acting, DOJ attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, basically where I live. [SPEAKER_04]: She got a grand jury to indict James coming on two of three counts. [SPEAKER_04]: The counts are first one is false statement to Congress, basically lying to Congress.

[SPEAKER_04]: The claims during his 2020 testimony Congress that he said that he hadn't authorized somebody to leak. [SPEAKER_04]: which there's a whole thing with the McCabe will talk about that. [SPEAKER_04]: And the second one is kind of as as Glenn Kirchner calls it double dipping. [SPEAKER_04]: Basically, it's obstructing a congressional investigation by lying to Congress. [SPEAKER_12]: So it's the same charge, basically. [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty much.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a hit and you're from the left and you're right, whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: But Komi had a video response to this ridiculously unjust action. [SPEAKER_04]: Here it is, we got this on the DVR. [SPEAKER_06]: My family and I have known for years that there are costs. [SPEAKER_06]: to standing up to Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_06]: But we couldn't imagine ourselves living any other way. [SPEAKER_06]: We will not live on our knees. [SPEAKER_06]: And you shouldn't do that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Amen. [SPEAKER_06]: Somebody that I love dearly recently said that fear is the tool of a tyrant. [SPEAKER_06]: And she's right, but I'm not afraid. [SPEAKER_06]: And I hope you're not either. [SPEAKER_06]: I hope instead you are engaged. [SPEAKER_06]: You are paying attention. [SPEAKER_06]: and you will vote like your beloved country depends upon it, which it does.

[SPEAKER_06]: My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but I have great confidence in the federal judicial system, and I'm innocent. [SPEAKER_06]: So let's have a trial and keep the faith. [SPEAKER_06]: Nice. [SPEAKER_12]: Nice. [SPEAKER_12]: I agree with what you're saying and I agree that he should not be prosecuted for this crap, but were it not for Jim Komey, Jim Komey wouldn't be going through this. [SPEAKER_04]: Jody is right. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is the thing is that when when we had when Jimmy Kimmel got knocked by these jackasses at sinclair and next star, there were people on the right who were coming out and saying, hey man, it could be me and that's some bull crap. [SPEAKER_04]: So [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, if Komi had done what most of us wanted him to do, which is, you know, whatever, slow walk this stuff, this is ridiculous doing this. [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to be a damn boy scout, but he did.

[SPEAKER_04]: He played Boy Scout. [SPEAKER_04]: 11 days before the 2016 election, and that swayed some people by multiple measures. [SPEAKER_04]: It's way, some people. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I get it. [SPEAKER_04]: It would also be some kind of Karmic justice if Komi was the one to actually help start fixing the problem by standing up. [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, speaking of standing up and Jimmy Kimmel, uh, sinclair forced to end their Jimmy Kimmel boycotts.

[SPEAKER_12]: They looked at their contract. [SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha ha ha. [SPEAKER_04]: Jodie is right. [SPEAKER_12]: They talked to all of their lawyers and their lawyers said, who's a ho-ho-ho?

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[SPEAKER_04]: John Fugelsign was also right when he said last night to give some credit to the folks at ABC Disney you know, give some credit to Bob Eiger for after initially not going under standing up to the bullies because apparently sinclair made some demands of ABC well if we're not going to get this we're doing this we're not going to get this we're going to this and ABC basically told them you'll get nothing yeah

[SPEAKER_04]: And you can go off off or you can continue pissing us off and we'll discuss next steps. [SPEAKER_12]: Well, yeah, I mean, they luckily sing Claire doesn't own every affiliate in every city. [SPEAKER_12]: Right. [SPEAKER_12]: So they could say, hey, you know what, you broke your contract.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now we're going to go to your competitor in that market and sell our shows to them or will yankers stuff or I'm sure I'm sure that the lawyers and suits at ABC Disney had probably at least three levels of decisions. [SPEAKER_04]: And they were ready to basically say to the folks at St. [SPEAKER_04]: Claire and next star haven't heard of next star is jumping back, but I'm sure they will too, because I'm sure basically the folks at ABC are like we've had it with your crap.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's what standing up is all about. [SPEAKER_04]: There was last night we were here, Jess McCrock, it was on Chris Hayes, over on MSNBC. [SPEAKER_04]: She had a really good piece about that here. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, play this too. [SPEAKER_01]: I want the American people to know that when you stand up to a bully, you win. [SPEAKER_01]: Do not back down, do not bend. [SPEAKER_01]: You allow them to go and wage their threats.

[SPEAKER_01]: If everybody starts to bend, for sure, what is left of our democracy will be gone and unfortunately that is exactly what he wants and even more sadly is that many of his followers agree with this. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's that's yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, Jasmine Crocket is right. [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's very much the idea You can't you can't back down. [SPEAKER_04]: No, you guys you can't back down.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's so I'm I'm really glad to see Call me ain't playing call me ain't he's ready. [SPEAKER_04]: He's I you saw who's who's gonna be representing him, didn't you? [SPEAKER_12]: I did not, I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: Patrick Fitzgerald, if that name rings a bell, he's the former U.S. [SPEAKER_04]: DOJ attorney in Chicago.

[SPEAKER_04]: He also prosecuted Osama Bin Laden, Omar Abdul-Ramman and Ramsey U.S. [SPEAKER_04]: F. He ran the investigation of the folks who outed Valerie Plame. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's how he got the conviction of Scooter Libby. [SPEAKER_04]: He also led the investigations, which led to the prosecutions of former Illinois governors, Rob Ladoevich, a Democrat, and George Ryan, a Republican. [SPEAKER_04]: So for you folks in WCPT land, y'all are probably real familiar with Patrick Fitzgerald.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, I mean, if they're going to bring charges, and I know this is just fantasy on my part, if they're going to bring charges about for people who say lied when they were being questioned, say, I don't know in the Senate for [SPEAKER_04]: Oh God, I would love that. [SPEAKER_04]: I would love that. [SPEAKER_12]: Or RFK lying, a junior lying about... Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_12]: Vaccines and things. [SPEAKER_04]: There's tons of ways that we can go on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: But if they want to play, they got nothing. [SPEAKER_04]: Lindsey Halligan, the young woman who is now the interim district attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. [SPEAKER_04]: She's a former Florida insurance lawyer, never prosecuted case. [SPEAKER_04]: You were right when you said that you thought she might have been a pageant queen, she was. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Third one, Rhett and Miss Colorado in 2009, fourth one, Rhett and 2010.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so clearly not only this is she, you know, pageant queen with no serious legal chops, she's a pageant queen who doesn't seem to learn that, you know, if you don't really do it, you try again and you suck, you really should stop.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well I mean the thing is is she's the only lawyer that signed on to these charges well she's she's the one that's in charge of the district so she has to sign on there are ways that other lawyers in in the office can be involved and I guess there's two or three they're involved but as far as I know they haven't

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we'll, we'll ask Rebecca about this because there's a way that that the lawyer can do the work, but not officially sign on, but somebody is going to have to sign on and actually try the case. [SPEAKER_04]: Because there's no way that they're going to put up against Pat Fitzgerald this wet behind the ears, never done a damn thing, Lindsey Halligan. [SPEAKER_04]: Pat Fitzgerald is going to absolutely wipe the floor with her.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, I don't even think it's going to make it to trial. [SPEAKER_12]: I don't think it's going to get past jury. [SPEAKER_12]: It's something to get to jury selection. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of people who are agreeing with you that it could be that it could get thrown out because of malicious and vindictive prosecution. [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it's right there in the stupid thing that Donnelly and he made more comments. [SPEAKER_04]: Dumbass Trump made more comments this morning.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds to me like Komi wants it to go to trial. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he does. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he wants it to go to trial. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he is using the speedy trial. [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, he has three days if he wants to. [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he wants it as fast as possible. [SPEAKER_04]: As he should.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because among other things, he knows that he's got himself and packed Fitzgerald and probably a whole army of others. [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sure Annie McCabe would be happy to testify and you know he would. [SPEAKER_04]: You know he would and that's you know that that's That's the whole the whole deal about all this is just the fact that it's like You want it bring it. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go.

[SPEAKER_12]: No, I love that he's ready like let's go 30 days You got 30 days together case against me. [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: It's his right. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I think and I think that that actually would probably scare the Trump folks Because they I mean, you know, I would like to see call me clean their clocks [SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, because of what he did with Clinton, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a fan because of that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But in this particular case, look, we've, we've, Al, we've sided with Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson recently. [SPEAKER_12]: And Madge and Lauren Bobert. [SPEAKER_12]: It's just, I seriously circulated our time. [SPEAKER_04]: But, but, you know, pick your battles. [SPEAKER_04]: That's, that's what we're at on that. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, it is a busy Friday night. [SPEAKER_04]: We got a whole bunch more news on tap.

[SPEAKER_04]: We got some great guests carrying the need of true blue politics coming in a little bit later And of course we're back up buck Walter Poza. [SPEAKER_04]: She's gonna be in one here very soon And we are going to talk with her about all this legal stuff because you know, she's one of the members of our politics bar bar Which I know it sounds we're gonna say bar twice, but it makes sense. [SPEAKER_12]: She's part of the legal end of the bar [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Except Jodi is right. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, freshen up your drink. [SPEAKER_04]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Friday night's here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited because we have some great guests coming in soon.

[SPEAKER_04]: Of course we told you we know Jared Rizzi and Charles Gamba are gonna be here next week David Shockett jodie your old podcast host co-host Joanne Carducci Jojo from Jersey, Julie Fred Shella coming in, Frangela and then today today it's a Friday. [SPEAKER_04]: So of course Karen Anita will be here from True Blue politics and then we have the one and only [SPEAKER_04]: Back a bucklulter pose, and she is here! [SPEAKER_04]: Wait now! [SPEAKER_04]: Whoo-hoo! [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-uh.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you got to give, you know, the right applause for the right people. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just my personal thing. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, so how you doing today? [SPEAKER_09]: What's up? [SPEAKER_09]: I'm great. [SPEAKER_09]: Always a good day when I get to settle up to the bar with you, too. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we know we have, obviously, you know, legal questions because, you know, you are a member of the bar's bar, which we're saying, so that no twice, but it's true. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you're, you're, it's our bar and you, you know, because you're a lawyer and you know stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: you know, we just do research. [SPEAKER_04]: So, but you do have a really good piece today that also happens to be it's in the ad to get actually we link to it in yesterday's news on tap.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's really something that Democrats should be doing. [SPEAKER_04]: The title of the piece there is no supporting transwrites doesn't cost elections. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, yeah, but you got data to back it up. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and I was going to say, Sean, you came up with the right title. [SPEAKER_09]: We just, you know, are unable to reach into the innards of the internet and fix it. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, on a moment now that's so few.

[SPEAKER_09]: Here to share the. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you like my title better. [SPEAKER_04]: Because I, I honestly, I appreciated that title yet yesterday. [SPEAKER_04]: If you look in the news on tap folks, the title we have there. [SPEAKER_04]: It is in yesterday's election land section. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's called message to Democrats. [SPEAKER_04]: Data proof supporting trans rights doesn't cost elections. [SPEAKER_04]: It helps win them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Which, uh, sorry, it's just a, you know, to me, I'm like, I would think that that would make the most amount of sense. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, one would think, am I, am I wrong on this guy? [SPEAKER_09]: No, I think just so few people are out there pointing this out that they, they couldn't go all the way to actually, it helps when you respect civil rights and when you protect families.

[SPEAKER_09]: you know, and parents and children's ability to take care of themselves and make decisions with doctors. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_09]: The number of folks I've had, just message me and say thank you so much for writing this and for being on top of this because it is. [SPEAKER_09]: So contrary to the really easy lazy narrative that's out there, that's, you know, at that's trans rights or third rail, don't touch them, don't talk about them.

[SPEAKER_09]: You don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, that's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, I hate that when people say that kind of stuff because, you know, as a baseline, trans rights are important. [SPEAKER_04]: trans rights are human rights. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where we start on our side if you're saying, you know, Democrats and quite frankly, most of the people who are not maga, that's their baseline, too. [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it's more than the audits, you know, you ask even Trump supporters and a majority of them don't want to hear more about trans rights, don't particularly care or even oppose what the right is doing with trans rights. [SPEAKER_09]: They want to hear about the economy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: and and and found it surprising that there is as much push back as there is to the making a simple point that this is a culture where that their Republicans pick that's not working for them and doesn't work on on the things that they like when they say look you want you as a parent you want to take control and you want to you know be it be in charge of yeah yeah joddy definitely you're shaking your head on yeah I mean we we've talked about it before

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, on that when the Republicans use that and say parents should have the responsibility of taking care of their kids health care. [SPEAKER_04]: The parents should make the choice with the doctor, that's how it should be. [SPEAKER_04]: And you say that and you get overwhelming people go, yep, uh-huh, yep. [SPEAKER_04]: And then you say, well, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: trans rights that that that that that's health care.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's health care right and then when you look at the go oh yeah I guess it is okay well then that should be the parents thing and and yeah it's not like it it's it's kudies you know it's not like it like if I were to have an abortion it doesn't mean everybody else around me's about to have one you know it's the same kind of thing it's personal health care.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yeah, and you know, like I perfectly, you know, I'm very confident that I'll be marrying a woman, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's funny, it reminds me a little of I for a brief period lived with my mom's mom who immigrated from [SPEAKER_09]: And voted for a Democrat every opportunity like drove herself in her A's to the polls in rural North Carolina But she walked Fox and it was every night.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was like Nana Nana. [SPEAKER_09]: Why do you watch Phil O'Rourke? [SPEAKER_09]: I lay it she goes. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, and then then he hates pedophiles [SPEAKER_09]: who likes them? [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, right.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that was kind of my pushback to Nana, everyone hates pedophiles, and, you know, with that sort of like, the position the GOP finds itself in, you know, something I shared in the article, but like, in the 19 states that passed anti-trans laws. [SPEAKER_09]: aimed at youth from 2018 to 2020 to suicide attempts by these kids increased by as much as 72 percent. [SPEAKER_09]: Like, you know what else? [SPEAKER_09]: One other thing, no one likes, kids harming and killing themselves.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Who the hell is going to go out there and say, yes, I would like more kids to kill them. [SPEAKER_04]: That's just, but that's what Republicans are for by being against trans rights. [SPEAKER_12]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_12]: Especially for kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: The fact that you gather all the data and you put it there, it is definitely something that folks here in the bar and folks everywhere, give it to your friends, send the link to your friends, because it should be something that we got the link under Rebecca's wonderful bio today and the news on Tap today as well. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just some of you guys should do, check it out because, look, trans rights are human rights.

[SPEAKER_04]: You got trans neighbors, you got trans friends, you want to protect them. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a great way. [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of like John Fuegel saying's book about, you know, a separation of church and hate. [SPEAKER_04]: Another great tool to help kind of help you in your discussions, you're inevitably going to run into people who don't agree with you.

[SPEAKER_04]: If they lip off about stupid stuff, like, you know, oh, yeah, transit just have that handy and be like, no, no, no, no, no, I got the facts here. [SPEAKER_04]: Bam. [SPEAKER_12]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: So, which Rebecca kindly gathered for all of you and for all of us, which we appreciate, read it. [SPEAKER_04]: Love it and follow Rebecca on all of your social media stuff. [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I was going to say it was very encouraging that Yahoo picked it up. [SPEAKER_09]: So nice. [SPEAKER_09]: And you know, I found it surprising. [SPEAKER_09]: how few outlets bit when I circulated this piece and I was really glad I think that advocates the perfect home but then seeing Yahoo pick it up.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, yes, please wider audience, let's, you know, because the only thing more mysterious than Democrats failing to stand up for human rights is the fact that Republicans are really leaning into this anti-human rights thing. [SPEAKER_09]: That's not gaining them anything. [SPEAKER_04]: No, it doesn't. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand why more Democrats aren't standing up in fighting.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have my issues with Amanda Litman because there's a difference to me, I think, between, I've said this before. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I've mentioned this to you, Jodie, before. [SPEAKER_04]: The Bernie folks versus the Elizabeth Warren folks, mean both are progressive. [SPEAKER_04]: But the Bernie folks, the folks who were [SPEAKER_04]: the darker side, if you will, of the Bernie followers, remind me a little bit of the megaphoax. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not enough for them to win.

[SPEAKER_04]: They have to shove your face in the dirt. [SPEAKER_04]: And you go, that's just stupid. [SPEAKER_04]: And Amanda seems to have a little of that. [SPEAKER_04]: But I agree with her in the sense that challenge every Democrat in the primary. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the research that she's been doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's been saying, look, what people want is if you look on an axis, if you plot it on an [SPEAKER_04]: change things are keep them the same the assertive or be more complacent and we're overwhelmingly democratic voters. [SPEAKER_04]: That doesn't just mean Democrats. [SPEAKER_04]: That means, you know, non-Trump Republicans, independence and Democrats. [SPEAKER_04]: where all of those are is we want change and we want people to be assertive. [SPEAKER_04]: We want our candidates.

[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the Democrats are starting to get this. [SPEAKER_04]: I've been seeing this more and saying this more of Cory Booker. [SPEAKER_04]: I've been, I know John Fuckel said, and gave us crap last night, because I said, you know, look, I was really glad to see Hakeem Jeffries stepping out and, you know, making some posts on social media about some of this stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: But he didn't just do that. [SPEAKER_04]: He did, he did.

[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, we we got a clip from from on our DVR here. [SPEAKER_05]: I want you all to hear this this shows you how desperate they are If Donald Trump really believed That he had a strong position here and why'd you back out of the meeting bro? [SPEAKER_05]: Why? [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand. [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_05]: Let's have this debate In front of the American people and on our side of the debate.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're very clear You promised Donald Trump promised [SPEAKER_05]: to love and cherish Medicaid. [SPEAKER_05]: He said that in January of this year, and then they turned around these extreme mega Republicans, and what did they do? [SPEAKER_05]: They enacted the largest cut to Medicaid in American history. [SPEAKER_05]: That's what the American people are facing right now. [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what we're fighting hard to address the Republican.

[SPEAKER_04]: Manufactured and created health care crisis and yeah, that's and you could tell when he's going back into his still to talk But you could tell at first he wasn't going still to he was being himself and he's going, you know, what you have bro? [SPEAKER_04]: Why you not want to negotiate on a shutdown man? [SPEAKER_04]: Why you not want to talk about this? [SPEAKER_04]: We all know why he doesn't want to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't want to talk about it because the key the key on the shutdown It's not what most of the mainstream news media is talking about [SPEAKER_04]: It's about resisions. [SPEAKER_04]: I was cheered. [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't I tell you when I first came in the bar today, Joe, to your shop. [SPEAKER_04]: Who who who was I surprised at today? [SPEAKER_04]: Katie Tarrer. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: She actually did some journalism. [SPEAKER_12]: Rebecca's face.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know, look, he can do it. [SPEAKER_04]: She just oftentimes takes whatever a producer's shove in her mouth, which drives me nuts, because that's a thing that bothers me is that I know that she can do better. [SPEAKER_12]: Well, when you said that she did journalism, I said, she feeling okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I laughed and you said this true. [SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_04]: But look, she had she had on Senator Chris Van Holland and he was kind of trying to dance around it. [SPEAKER_04]: The whole thing of, you know, maybe voters aren't smart enough to say, and she got him to say it. [SPEAKER_04]: The problem is decision.

[SPEAKER_04]: The problem is the fact that right now, unless Republicans agree to not go back and cut the agreement, whatever agreement the Democrats sign, [SPEAKER_04]: Republicans can guess you're back in with 51 votes in the Senate and all the votes in the house and undo that agreement and cut out whatever the hell they don't like, which is what Russ, Russ, Valt wants to do, right. [SPEAKER_04]: Why would anyone do that? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know of anybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a, there's a magnet neighbor that I have. [SPEAKER_04]: And I asked him this the other day and even he was like, yeah, that'd be dumb as hell to do. [SPEAKER_04]: If you make an agreement with somebody and five minutes later, they can change that agreement. [SPEAKER_04]: What a hell would [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I have long found it mysterious that anyone wants to brag about much less aimed or rely upon an agreement that involves Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. [SPEAKER_09]: He's not interested in playing the game. [SPEAKER_09]: To be fair, he might have forgotten by the time. [SPEAKER_04]: by greenhouse memory issues, I agree. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and to your point about decisions, the Trump quote on this was that these are the demands for health care extensions that are unsurious and ridiculous and an unnamed White House source, who is probably, what was the name he used to call in John Baron?

[SPEAKER_09]: There was, yeah, said that on second thought, he decided to go after yourself. [SPEAKER_09]: And that was the president of the United States on negotiations with Congress over avoiding. [SPEAKER_04]: I shot your message yesterday. [SPEAKER_04]: You and I were talking over over this before, uh, Joe and I came to the bar last night. [SPEAKER_04]: This whole thing is it's a rustvot over at OMB wants to fire all these people at the shutdown comes in.

[SPEAKER_04]: Isn't there stuff for the civil server to perform at the law that says he can't do that? [SPEAKER_04]: That's cute. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: I still believe it's so quiet. [SPEAKER_04]: He's so quiet at a doorbell. [SPEAKER_04]: You're adorable when you're naive. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: I believe in democracy for me. [SPEAKER_09]: I wrote down a list of all of the federal acts just off the top of my head that are being violated.

[SPEAKER_09]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: And how did efficiency act administrative procedure act administrative leave act and you know there's no there's also a problem you haven't given adequate notification and there are hoops that you have to jump through to create these structures of voluntary separation which I mean obviously isn't quite the same scenario we find ourselves in right now, but. [SPEAKER_09]: Now they're breaking all sorts of laws.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if so the reason that some of the Democrats are not sweating the shut down firings, there are so many multiple laws that if Ross Vott says fine screw you and tries to fire tens of thousands of people, the courts will be flooded and filled.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they'll get their asses kicked and they'll have to do what some of the stuff they're doing here in DC now where they're re-hiring the people that they fired that they can you know cut out through those that they'll be forced to suck it back because it's against the law.

[SPEAKER_04]: There may be a temporary reprieve but all those people will get back pay and they'll get their jobs back because they can't go about a mass firing like that because the law just doesn't allow it it might correct on that. [SPEAKER_09]: Most assuming that we still have a working justice system, I think we, we aren't, we don't, uh, so. [SPEAKER_04]: And the functional justice system. [SPEAKER_09]: We, we lower court training better. [SPEAKER_04]: So there's no guarantee.

[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, given given some of the stuff, for example, the, the ruling from William, also on September 12. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the chances are, the chances are pretty good. [SPEAKER_04]: They can't do this. [SPEAKER_04]: or at least it's going to make it real difficult for them to do. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's just a question of how many lower court judges are going to try and anticipate what scotists will do versus rule the right way on the law.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can we talk more about that when we come back because that is a big one right there. [SPEAKER_04]: Anticipatory compliance. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we don't dig that. [SPEAKER_04]: We don't dig that. [SPEAKER_04]: It is a Friday night. [SPEAKER_04]: We've got Jody Hamilton. [SPEAKER_04]: We've got Rebecca Buckwall to pose it and you got me, Sean Smith Pierce. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here. [SPEAKER_04]: You still haven't fun anyway.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Baltics bar dot com we have Rebecca here with Jody and I on this Friday night for lots of reasons A she's a friend basically has this great piece of the advocate which you should you know click on in our news on tap and see Because she's a lawyer and she can roll off her tongue these kind of things which to anybody else they'd be like You know for you and it's like have you seen her CV have you seen her resume?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, plus she also kicked Donald Trump's ass in the first term. [SPEAKER_04]: So just saying you know that's [SPEAKER_09]: You know, when you got somebody who kicks ass like that, you're like, hi, at least I, you know, I would say you're being too kind, but I will, I will go to my grave and that could be my epitaph kick kick dog from France. [SPEAKER_09]: Ask and court, it's great time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Good. [SPEAKER_04]: You deserve that because honestly, that is anybody who does that to me is, and you were on a fray to do it. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, that's really cool. [SPEAKER_04]: Having that kind of courage matters. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, my family wouldn't be here if it weren't for censorship and oppression in Spain during the Spanish Civil War for the Civil War in Columbia.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, they asked me, like, well, yeah, what am I here for if I'm not gonna stand up for the first amendment? [SPEAKER_09]: Madrid was an alloyer. [SPEAKER_09]: Pretty much, my job. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we were talking about the the the the fascism, the half fascism as we joking really call it and the the judges and lawyers. [SPEAKER_04]: They're complying in advance. [SPEAKER_04]: They're saying, oh, well, the Supreme Court's biased as hell.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll just, you know, throw something there that they won't knock down. [SPEAKER_04]: Is it, is it me or is that half-ass in it, too? [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, you know, I think that.

[SPEAKER_09]: a lot of judges especially but of course the attorneys also anticipating their audience are trying to hack a path through these terrible judgments coming from the Supreme Court that comes as close to what the legal outcome should be and you know, would without question be several decades from now after the courts then rehabilitated.

[SPEAKER_09]: So they're trying to find that path, but yeah, it's extremely destructive to base these decisions on the worst things that have ever come out of, you know, that's certainly in modern memory that have come out of the Supreme Court, which can't even keep up with itself given the pace at which it is taking cases from the shadow docket and looking at emergency stays and [SPEAKER_09]: taking cases much more quickly than they normally would usually it takes a multi-circuit split.

[SPEAKER_09]: The federal pellet courts under it have to disagree and consider the issues to, you know, some substantial degree before the Supreme Court weighs in, but not under John Roberts. [SPEAKER_12]: Especially if it has to do with Donald unless they want to slow it down for Donald. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_04]: Jody's right on then. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: This Supreme Court drives me nuts, and people doing anticipatory compliance look, stand-up fight.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what we've seen. [SPEAKER_04]: The, the, the log groups that have stood up and fought. [SPEAKER_04]: Glenn Kersner is big on this. [SPEAKER_04]: He says, look, the log groups that have stood up and fought. [SPEAKER_04]: They've won the, the colleges and universities that have stood up and fought. [SPEAKER_04]: They won ABC at first. [SPEAKER_04]: They bent the knee and now they stood up. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you saw this earlier today, Rebecca.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, sinclair got their ass handed to them by ABC again. [SPEAKER_04]: They are bringing Jimmy Kimmel back because they thought they were the big dog and apparently ABC Disney reminded them who actually is the big dog. [SPEAKER_04]: And so now sinclair and since their had made demands of ABC, they were like, oh well, you need to do this before we come back.

[SPEAKER_04]: You didn't ABC Disney was like, you just need to sit [SPEAKER_04]: and where the big dog, and if you'd like to continue making money, you're going to shut up and do what we say, and they wait. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Got it, boss. [SPEAKER_04]: It's because they stood up. [SPEAKER_04]: They stood up to the fascists. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, to me, it's all part of a pretty thorough if, you know, haphazard psychological warfare campaign that is meant to close the over to Nlando or close the window of what people feel that it can safely say and do. [SPEAKER_09]: And so it's, you know, not about keeping it off the air forever. [SPEAKER_09]: It's about sending the message. [SPEAKER_09]: And that's sort of what's happening with lawyers too, I think. [SPEAKER_09]: So it bugs me when judges have bowed in advance.

[SPEAKER_09]: When lawyers do it, I figure they're just writing as many possible paths forward as possible. [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, that makes sense if you're the litigator. [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't make sense if you're the judge to just, you know, prematurely, [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so speaking of judges, going back to Komi, um, the Komi indictment. [SPEAKER_04]: How dumb is this? [SPEAKER_04]: She's rolling her eyes so perfectly. [SPEAKER_04]: Go back at her head.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's so, uh, on level of stupid, it's really, really stupid. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I, [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, Jodie, please. [SPEAKER_12]: No, I mean, my thoughts are they're not even going to get to jury selection. [SPEAKER_12]: It's going to be tossed as malicious prosecution before they even bother. [SPEAKER_12]: The motions are going to be filed and the judge is going to go, but by and do it with prejudice, that's my feeling.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I certainly hope that's what happens. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just kind of, you know, what comes to mind is, you had one job. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, Trump appoints his U.S. [SPEAKER_09]: attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, which by the way is a dangerous district to just be appointing a loyalist, too. [SPEAKER_09]: It's where a lot of terrorism, like actual terrorism, cases come through and really important district to then hand over to someone who's one job.

[SPEAKER_09]: is to say Jim Cummie's guilty of perjury and we got to go after him. [SPEAKER_09]: There's there's obstruction, there's perjury, who knows? [SPEAKER_09]: There could be cross-dressing, we should absolutely cross-dressing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I, I, I just look at this and say, you know, when you look at first of all the indictment is ridiculous, false statement of line to Congress, the whole thing about this is that, that they're saying that he lied during his testimony to Congress in five [SPEAKER_04]: in 2020, which was on tape. [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody has it. [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people have played the clips of it of Ted Cruz and whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the whole thing is, some people are saying, oh, there's a conflict, there's a contradiction. [SPEAKER_04]: There's no contradiction. [SPEAKER_04]: Andy Became said that Jim Komi did not authorize him to leak to the press. [SPEAKER_04]: And Jim Colmy said the same thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Last time I checked, that's not a contradiction. [SPEAKER_04]: That's the same thing isn't it when they both say the same thing that is literally the same thing?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's that's how to green. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that that's kind of my take on that, too. [SPEAKER_04]: So that's why I'm like, I, I, I, and then then so then you look at the basics there, you look at the fact that one of it is the fall statement and the other one is obstructing congressional investigation by a fall statement. [SPEAKER_04]: So it's just double dipping. [SPEAKER_09]: But more than that, I mean, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's also what Republicans call Tuesday. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm, you know, that's just a good point. [SPEAKER_09]: Like, yeah, the there's no there there of this whole situation is kind of spectacular, especially as the administration is making new and outrageous claims about these existentially threatening terrorist groups. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like like the 95 year old George Soros.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's a such a bad terrorist that he's now the it's just they got nothing and then you look at the players So the case judge the guy who who got the case Michael Nakman off Biden nominee from 2021. [SPEAKER_04]: I believe he worked [SPEAKER_04]: I think in the DOJ starting under Obama, and then he was there during Trump, he's been around the block. [SPEAKER_04]: He's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing really wrong with him.

[SPEAKER_04]: But then you look at the two big players, Lindsey Halligan, former Florida insurance lawyer, never prosecuted a case. [SPEAKER_04]: She was, however, third runner-up to Miss Colorado in 2009, just saying. [SPEAKER_12]: So, if the queen couldn't do it, and then the runner-up couldn't do it, she would have then had the crown in the staff. [SPEAKER_04]: True, but she still didn't. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, she didn't even make it to Pagent Queen.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, then she's going up against Patrick Freak and Fitzgerald. [SPEAKER_04]: former U.S. [SPEAKER_04]: D. O. J. Attorney in Chicago, prosecuted been ladden and Abdel Raman and UCF ran the investigation of the people who leaked this stuff about Valerie Plame and ended up getting the conviction of Scooter Libby led the investigations that got the convictions of Blegoye of Itch and Ryan in Illinois.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, okay, this guy is a big dog going up against [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not qualified for it and most of the guys at the DOJ don't want to try this case because they know it's a not a winnable case for them. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, Rebecca, we were we were pondering about this earlier, so obviously Lindsey being you know, the acting attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia had to sign on to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know that any other of the lawyers, they obviously there's been some legal work to it, but it doesn't look like anybody else in the office has officially signed on. [SPEAKER_04]: Is there, is there, can they do that or do they have to eventually sign on? [SPEAKER_09]: I think Trump's legal causes of action. [SPEAKER_09]: So-called causes of action are about as popular as [SPEAKER_09]: Which you know what I heard they found a cure for Kuala Committee.

[SPEAKER_09]: I might need to substitute something else, but yeah, I mean, I don't think that anyone's rushing to represent him or argue anything, I told you my suit against Trump, they sent a guy who'd never argued a case before to represent the president of the United States in district court. [SPEAKER_04]: This is a habit of sending people who have no experience and nothing in big cases and then getting their asses kicked.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, if I'm sure the way they're thinking and lawyer brain is a very unpleasant place to reside for too long. [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, it looks great on your resume in theory that you've argued emotion in the second circuit on behalf of the United States. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, what have you? [SPEAKER_09]: I think there are a lot of lawyers are [SPEAKER_09]: much further on the spectrum of get me to hack away from Donald Trump during this administration then the last.

[SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't mean all of them unfortunately. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but at least at least there is I'm not as pessimistic as YouTube. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I look at it and I'm, you know, I'm seeing the silver lining and I'm going, you know what? [SPEAKER_04]: It could be a lot worse. [SPEAKER_04]: I realize this is a mob thug accuracy, but if they actually were competent, you know, it could be worse. [SPEAKER_12]: And pessimistically optimistic.

[SPEAKER_04]: That works. [SPEAKER_04]: You're being Sean positive. [SPEAKER_09]: I was about to say, I'm positive. [SPEAKER_09]: It's a terrible way to log up the justice system. [SPEAKER_09]: positive and we're experimenting with it. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm positive that dog is howling it as well.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, yeah, I'm just saying it's, you know, there's positive, you know, we could know, I worry it might be, you know, I'm not worried I'm sure that when all instead and done it's not going to be top of the list, but what Donald Trump has done to the judiciary and what he's currently doing, not even just who he's putting in these seats, you know, like the U.S. [SPEAKER_09]: attorney who's never prosecuted the case.

[SPEAKER_09]: But he's clogging the courts that are already overburdened. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: And he's less justice for the rest of America. [SPEAKER_04]: Sadly, does not surprise me that Donald is trying to bug art justice. [SPEAKER_04]: Rebecca, you want to hang around or do you have to go? [SPEAKER_04]: She's hanging around for another round. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we do have the drink of the day coming up.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Rebecca's gonna hang around for that, and hang around with all of you as well. [SPEAKER_04]: It is a Friday night. [SPEAKER_04]: We had Karen and Anita come in in. [SPEAKER_04]: Whew, this is a good evening. [SPEAKER_04]: Look at this, it's ladies' night. [SPEAKER_04]: It's ladies' night. [SPEAKER_04]: It's ladies' night. [SPEAKER_04]: Brilliant and beautiful women. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm okay with this. [SPEAKER_04]: You should be too fresh and up your drink.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go do whatever you gotta do. [SPEAKER_04]: Just remember, we aim to please here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: You aim to please. [SPEAKER_04]: We have to clean that up later, all right? [SPEAKER_04]: Come on back. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_12]: She's on Rebecca. [SPEAKER_12]: Hi. [SPEAKER_12]: She's hanging out with us. [SPEAKER_04]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: Showing it on here in politics bar with her backup.

[SPEAKER_04]: But Walter Poza. [SPEAKER_04]: She is here. [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have Karen and I need to hear this hour. [SPEAKER_04]: And we've got the drink of the day and more news on tap. [SPEAKER_04]: We are very glad to you. [SPEAKER_04]: are here hanging out with us as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: From all of our fantastic radio affiliates, whether that is AM-950 in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, the D2er talk in Tennessee, or maybe you're listening in Chicago on AM-820, WCPT, or maybe you're listening on progressive voices, radio, world-wide, wherever you happen to be, or maybe you're one of those magical future people. [SPEAKER_04]: Which Rebecca happens to be, by the way. [SPEAKER_04]: Rebecca, you and your girlfriend are future people, at least you are.

[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to get her listening on a more regular basis. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's, look, if you want to be as cool as Rebecca, just, you know, make sure you put in your podcast player the politics bar and, you know, that would at least be a start. [SPEAKER_04]: You'll have a long way to go to be as cool as cool as her, but you can start somewhere, just.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, before we go too much further, we should be looking at the drink of the day today because, you know, we got to do that. [SPEAKER_04]: It is important. [SPEAKER_04]: And I know Rebecca, you like some good drinks, Jody and I love good drinks. [SPEAKER_04]: We actually, we actually had somebody, one of our people here in the bar, Julie, who, she's very, very good about the drink of the day. [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, she had a couple of comments about this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jody, what is the drink of the day and what's it all focusing on? [SPEAKER_12]: It's opinion of our day, and 61 years ago today, one of my favorite sitcoms premiered on ZTV, and it was Gilligan's Island. [SPEAKER_12]: I love that show, man. [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, I, I was, it went off the air, the year I was born, but still I did see it in syndication. [SPEAKER_12]: And so I loved that show from the beginning, from the beginning on it was just a lovely show.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I had the distinct pleasure of knowing Don Wells for a few years before she passed away from COVID. [SPEAKER_12]: So I have a personal, you know, love for that show anyway. [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody always has the question, who, who did you prefer, ginger or marion? [SPEAKER_04]: Mrs. Howell. [SPEAKER_04]: That's Tony Rebecca, you ginger marion. [SPEAKER_09]: It's been too long. [SPEAKER_09]: It's it's done. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to have to review this.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm actually my face and joty. [SPEAKER_09]: I think I'll sell it down for you. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see my my my response whenever somebody asked me that growing up is they said, you know, who was it and my response was both because, you know, well, they're different types and Natalie Schaefer was a different type as well. [SPEAKER_12]: She played Mrs. Howell. [SPEAKER_12]: So, right. [SPEAKER_04]: Julie Julie on Substack.

[SPEAKER_04]: She said that her favorite was ginger and I said, well, you know, ginger does have red hair like joty and Julie said exactly. [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not real red head, let's see. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's assisted, assisted. [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to get it redder tomorrow. [UNKNOWN]: OK. [SPEAKER_04]: A peanut fair day. [SPEAKER_04]: It is similar to a peanut colander. [SPEAKER_12]: It's similar. [SPEAKER_12]: There's a different thing to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Different make up to a different flavor. [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, there's a different flavor to it. [SPEAKER_12]: But it's based on that kind of thing and how the drunkard's almond ac which is where I steal a lot of these drinks from. [SPEAKER_04]: So what is an impine of air day? [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, so you need a blender. [SPEAKER_12]: You need ice for said blender. [SPEAKER_12]: And if you can get one, a coconut hole. [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, that's not like your glassware.

[SPEAKER_12]: Because it is, it's, you know, it's Gilligan's island base. [SPEAKER_12]: So coconut hole is, you know. [SPEAKER_04]: Got it. [SPEAKER_04]: That would make more sense. [SPEAKER_04]: That would be native to the show. [SPEAKER_12]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_12]: Or her king glass, which is what I would recommend because it's probably easier to find a hurricane glass than a coconut hole. [SPEAKER_12]: Just for those of you that are certain.

[SPEAKER_12]: You need one and a half ounces of green, sharp truce, which is a strong sweet spicy herbal liqueur and it has a little bit of hint of mint, anise, pine, and citrus. [SPEAKER_12]: So there's a little bit of a nice kick to it. [SPEAKER_12]: One and a half ounces of pineapple juice, three quarters of an ounce of coconut cream, which gives you that capina collada you've got coconut in that.

[SPEAKER_12]: Right, right, when you've got the pineapple and coconut, yeah, and half ounce of fresh lime juice and for garnish and mint sprig and what you do is you add the char truce the pineapple juice the coconut cream and the lime juice to the blender and a handful of crushed ice and blend until it's smooth. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like a cup, it's just a handful. [SPEAKER_12]: Just as much as you think, it depends on how watery you want it, I guess.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, small hands like Donnie, you might need to. [SPEAKER_12]: Probably, because he is ten to ten little hands. [SPEAKER_12]: And then you add, you blend it until smooth and then you strain it into your glassware or your coconut hull. [SPEAKER_12]: And then you just garnish it with the minced bragging trine out to get lost in the middle of the ocean while drinking it. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that would be important, do not get lost.

[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it's a three hour tour, man. [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, first off, how many outfits do you need for three hours, Ginger?

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[SPEAKER_08]: Ah, good point. [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but the ladies all changed and so did Mr. Howell. [SPEAKER_04]: Things that you think of when you watch Gilgain's Island. [SPEAKER_12]: And adult. [SPEAKER_04]: If you missed any part of the drink of the day, you guys know where to subscribe to. [SPEAKER_04]: Check it out at thepoliticsbar.com. [SPEAKER_04]: There is so much more in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_04]: If we don't get to stuff, that's why you guys should subscribe.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can subscribe to that separately for free at thepoliticsbar.com. [SPEAKER_04]: I got to ask Rebecca, when it comes to some of this stuff that's out there, some of the comments, well, some of the economic stuff, some of the stuff with the farm crisis going on. [SPEAKER_04]: And then the way that certain legislators are responding to stuff. [SPEAKER_04]: I, I am loathed to make fun of John Fetterman these days because I understand the man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, okay, but I don't know how much the damage was from from his stroke. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure it's bad, but clearly, it also damaged his personality. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I know the things and well, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I know you were thinking about something on that Rebecca and I just kind of, it's it's hard for me to take that on because I'm just like, God, where do I start, you know?

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that this would be me speaking is a survivor, the seeds of whoever you are after were already there before. [SPEAKER_09]: I am fortunate enough to be maybe twice the woman I was before because it was such a steep climb to. [SPEAKER_04]: So for those people who don't know, you had a major incident. [SPEAKER_09]: I did, yes, I survived a hemorrhagic stroke that was pretty significant as a result of a brain aneurysm.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I've spent a lot of time in hospitals on the neuro rehab board in the neuro ICU and speaking to other people who have been through this or thing, and I would say, you know, center of federal and like me who's on the younger side for this kind of a problem, right? [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, I don't know that I would have stayed in office if it has happened all I was in office, right? [SPEAKER_09]: All right. [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: During the campaign, and there are things that we do, like... [SPEAKER_09]: Who knows what the majority of the public thinks a psychological test even is anymore? [SPEAKER_09]: Right, thanks to Right, man, man, man, man, man, man, camera, camera, yeah, so, you know, But they're real tests, you know, the the day that I had my full evaluation and I came out, you know, off the charts on everything. [SPEAKER_09]: And it's my psychologist and I cried together.

[SPEAKER_09]: But you got to work hard for that and you know it requires a recognition of I have this much energy now it's not as much energy as I had before. [SPEAKER_09]: How do I use that and humility plays it's a pretty big role when you get knocked on your tailbone to that degree. [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't think we see a lot of that from the Sunder. [SPEAKER_09]: I agree. [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is there anything specifically that he's been doing any big thing that you're like, dude, WTF? [SPEAKER_04]: I mean. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I think for some people any kind of major incident cause it's just a mental shift in priorities and really things that seem super important before less important and you fixate or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: But you also used to have to do the work of the cognitive work of making sure you're at your best before you go into a job of any kind, much less being a US senator or say, President of the United States. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's that, too, you know. [SPEAKER_09]: And there is that. [SPEAKER_04]: I, it is, it's one of those kind of things that drives me nuts when, when people, you guys know, I don't like it when people don't work up to their full potential.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like it when people, half-ass things, that's, that was handed down to me from my granddad, um, the, but we're happy with half-fascism. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I like the word, but I really will create the word. [SPEAKER_04]: But as a general, as a general thing, yeah, I suppose half-ashism is better than actual fascism. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Joe, he's right. [SPEAKER_04]: Fascism light. [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, there you go.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, except as fascism light with an added dollop of stupid. [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead, go. [SPEAKER_09]: No, I was just like, what is fascism cosplay? [SPEAKER_09]: Because I think there are some people who are digging holes for themselves right now, and they don't realize that they're just dressing up. [SPEAKER_09]: is more than just stressing out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, the a lot of the people I think that have been in the the manosphere podcasters. [SPEAKER_04]: Those are Joe Rogans. [SPEAKER_04]: I think they kind of more than maybe some people give them credit for, especially in the free speech issue. [SPEAKER_04]: That's one of the reasons that they were very big behind Jimmy Kimmel is because they're like, look. [SPEAKER_04]: I can't keep my mouth shut.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got to say whatever little say that's why I became a podcaster because that's what I like to do. [SPEAKER_04]: I try to work at home. [SPEAKER_04]: People, my ass got fired, so I'm out here being a row of robots, podcaster, whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: And I get that. [SPEAKER_04]: But they seem to understand what you're just talking about there, Rebecca, that you can't that these people who are like, oh, well, I can do a little bit of Trumpism.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I could do a little bit more. [SPEAKER_04]: I could do a little bit more. [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's, that's, that's not how it works. [SPEAKER_04]: You go like that. [SPEAKER_04]: You go down that road. [SPEAKER_04]: There's, there's very little coming back. [SPEAKER_09]: You end up with Prince Harry Halloween pictures or, you know, other other evidence. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just not. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: No flirting with fascism.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's that's my policy. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Good one. [SPEAKER_04]: 100% 100% a great. [SPEAKER_04]: Which I'm very glad that your girlfriend is not a fascist. [SPEAKER_04]: That [SPEAKER_04]: to be able to do these kind of things. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, my wife's not a fascist. [SPEAKER_04]: Lonnie's not a fascist. [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to go together. [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to go together. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, no, Lonnie definitely not a fascist.

[SPEAKER_04]: Fascist do not drive cars as cool as Lonnie's car. [SPEAKER_09]: There is that. [SPEAKER_04]: See. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, there is, since 2016, I don't know how familiar you are with the DC dating app sphere.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, no, I'm being having a time to connect as long as I have so fortunately off all the apps right, but even starting in 2016, there was just a line that's like Republicans need not apply and at this point, I'm just assuming without having hopped back onto the apps that it's like fascists take a mic. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so I hope so. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, hopefully stronger than need not apply. [SPEAKER_09]: Please go take a hike. [SPEAKER_09]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think one of their strengths truly. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just going, you know, from the front of you myself, to the manus here. [SPEAKER_04]: Rebecca is right. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad we loved having you here, dear. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-oh. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, we are coming up on a break. [SPEAKER_04]: We are definitely going to have to have you back in the bar in the other time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Rebecca, we are so glad that you are part of our legal bar here at the politics bar, an experts, a brilliant, beautiful woman who has a fantastic sense of humor, [SPEAKER_04]: Man, we dig you. [SPEAKER_04]: We're pretty cool. [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_09]: And the same company and so glad to be here any time. [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, you know. [SPEAKER_09]: Very much. [SPEAKER_09]: I once was a bartender. [SPEAKER_09]: So you can always, uh, Roooooooh.

[SPEAKER_04]: Heck yeah, some street bartender. [SPEAKER_04]: We, look at that, you know, we, we could have you and Jared do the show at some point. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just the gen. [SPEAKER_04]: We go on vacation. [SPEAKER_04]: We go on vacation. [SPEAKER_04]: No, we're here. [SPEAKER_04]: Just, you know, on the, in the corner. [SPEAKER_04]: You guys. [SPEAKER_12]: We'll just get the recordings up and out for you. [SPEAKER_12]: But you guys are the show. [SPEAKER_04]: That part of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Excellent. [SPEAKER_04]: We will see you soon, Rebecca. [SPEAKER_04]: We have Karen and her leader from True Blue Politics coming in the bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Guys, it's a Friday night of the politics bar. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for joining us. [SPEAKER_04]: Get your drink refreshed and come on back for more. [SPEAKER_04]: Hang on. [SPEAKER_04]: Friday nights, it's late these nights, is that it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the politics bar, we have Cameron and Anita from True Blue politics joining us as always because you know what, on Friday nights, you just need some good friends to hang out with and talk about all the insane stuff that has gone on for the week. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_10]: It's been so insane.

[SPEAKER_10]: It has been just off the [SPEAKER_10]: What, I mean, with the whole town on all things and my daughter in speech and then James Call me, it's just been one thing after another. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just crazy. [SPEAKER_04]: How's Chicago doing, Karen? [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, we're hanging in, but it's it's I will I have said this to Anita and I've said this to some other people that I've talked to just going over to the ice detention facility every day.

[SPEAKER_11]: My heart is breaking my best. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, did they put up I thought I saw cat. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you want to explain to the folks here in the bar, because that's just sounds like it's insane. [SPEAKER_11]: But the, the, the, the village of Broadview on my mentioned previously, I had gone over there to ask about the boarded up windows and they said, well, it's a federal building. [SPEAKER_11]: So it's outside of our jurisdiction.

[SPEAKER_11]: However, [SPEAKER_11]: the fence that went across beach street. [SPEAKER_11]: That is a no-no. [SPEAKER_04]: That is a public street, isn't it? [SPEAKER_11]: That's a public street. [SPEAKER_11]: So they have ordered them to take it down. [SPEAKER_11]: Good. [SPEAKER_11]: It four days ago. [SPEAKER_10]: They think they don't have to, you know, do a follow the law, they don't have to be law.

[SPEAKER_10]: Like they told Gavin News, that they were going to have to, they didn't care about his law about not wearing masks. [SPEAKER_10]: Right. [SPEAKER_10]: They wanted to do it. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, the thing is, is that they legally speaking. [SPEAKER_04]: people forget that there are an awful lot of law enforcement officers who are not maggots. [SPEAKER_04]: There are a good section. [SPEAKER_04]: It may be maybe over all across the nation.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's maybe 60, 40, but that's still 40% of law enforcement officers that are more on our side that they are. [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_10]: And what happens if they arrest these people? [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's exactly it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and so if they arrest these ice monsters, because the ice monsters are breaking a law, if it's in California or if it's in Chicago, if the law says you do not get to have masks on and you have to have your badge and your name and you don't, it's like any other law. [SPEAKER_04]: The federal government does not get to come in and protect you from breaking state and local law. [SPEAKER_04]: And Trump can't part you. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_11]: Right.

[SPEAKER_11]: Well, and, and yeah, so in Chicago, Mayor Johnson issued an executive order that said that law enforcement cannot be masked that is not stopping them from masking. [SPEAKER_11]: So I have not I've yet to see them carry out one of their abductions without masks. [SPEAKER_11]: The other thing, the broadview mayor came out and said that the use of tear gas and other [SPEAKER_11]: Um, uh, irritants on protesters is not okay. [SPEAKER_11]: And I have to be forced.

[SPEAKER_10]: It has to be forced. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, at least they're coming out. [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, that's the important thing is that they're coming out and they're making issuing those statements and they're saying that this is not okay. [SPEAKER_11]: So, you know, I mean, what, what, but if they don't have a portion does, yeah, that's another.

[SPEAKER_04]: I need to, the whole thing is is when one person stands up, more [SPEAKER_04]: I said this earlier, um, and that's the other phone of the back. [SPEAKER_04]: I'll let it here. [SPEAKER_04]: Hang on a second. [SPEAKER_04]: Give me a break. [SPEAKER_04]: You're talking to your baby. [SPEAKER_04]: There's too many phones. [SPEAKER_04]: Any who. [SPEAKER_10]: And you see that woman that that one of the ice officers just threw to the ground. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: New York.

[SPEAKER_10]: Which is crying about her husband and he just threw it to the ground. [SPEAKER_10]: And apparently he got suspended.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's, and he got suspended in part because they have people there and they have people like Brad lander who happens to be the Comptroller Brad lander, so he said the law says and he helped those people Here's the thing I was good to so we said that this was not going to be acceptable for Jimmy Kimmel to be silenced and people all across the country stood up [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you two heard this Karen Anita, but we heard this early when we were coming to the bar.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sinclair has ended. [SPEAKER_04]: It's Jimmy Kimmel Boycott. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, Karen told me. [SPEAKER_10]: She just told me about 30 minutes ago. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's amazing. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, look, and the whole thing is when John Fugel sang was here at the bar last night. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and we were giving Kudos to Jimmy and his crew, which obviously they deserve the Kudos for.

[SPEAKER_04]: But also John said that you ought to give some kudos to the ABC executives who may be knuckled under at first But then they decided to stand up and Bob I you're obviously has their back with that as well, and because they stood up You know, sinclair and next are thought that they were the big dogs and they're not they're the little dogs in the They can be fine [SPEAKER_04]: Right, worse than that, worse than that. [SPEAKER_10]: And they can give them the show.

[SPEAKER_10]: If somebody doesn't network the show, can't they? [SPEAKER_12]: They can stop them. [SPEAKER_12]: They could have basically if Sinclair kept going because they could only print for so long, like natural disasters, local emergencies, things like that. [SPEAKER_12]: They can print for any programming for only so long. [SPEAKER_12]: So what Sinclair has realized they read their contract. [SPEAKER_12]: What he could have done was said, oh, you like raising out of me gone.

[SPEAKER_12]: You like the bachelor gone. [SPEAKER_00]: You like the bachelor gone. [SPEAKER_12]: You like it because if your guys are going to preach contract, then we no longer have to give you the content and good luck getting advertisers in your local area. [SPEAKER_12]: And that's where they make their money. [SPEAKER_10]: And ABC already came that one time with you know, George Stappellus. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: So I didn't learn, I guess, but hopefully they learned something.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think they have learned. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I think they have learned. [SPEAKER_04]: I've been, you know, because I obviously keep my eye on and look at. [SPEAKER_04]: in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_04]: We never, because there was so much news, just right. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to use that in the video clips because we have room.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I have when I when I review the clips and ADC is doing some good work and they really are standing up. [SPEAKER_04]: But it takes it first somebody standing up and then somebody else stands up and then somebody else stands up. [SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that Gavin Newsom is standing up with the no-masking thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then Governor Pritzker and then Mayor Johnson and then the mayor who's you're right there in your neighborhood, Karen, that's the idea is you know Courage is contagious. [SPEAKER_10]: It's a Kamala said and she's right and so it's cowardice And so you have to punch this bull in the face. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, he backs down every time I needed this right [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think that we need to refashion the first they came for into something a little bit more aspirational.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_11]: First I stood up for. [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I like that. [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: And I punched him in the face. [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, there you are, the violent laugh. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, you know what, you can only put you so far, okay? [SPEAKER_10]: No, I'm with you. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm honestly of the mind with the Comi indictment.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really think, you know, Jody's in the cap that she thinks, and I agree that if this is the way that Comi wants to go, the fact of the matter is they could take the malicious vindictive prosecution route. [SPEAKER_04]: It's clear. [SPEAKER_04]: They should. [SPEAKER_04]: Donnie came out this time. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not double. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he came at this morning again and was like, Oh, we got him and we're going to go.

[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, no, that's even more reason for it to be delicious prosecution. [SPEAKER_04]: But it also comes out and says that I think Jim Coney wants to take it to trial. [SPEAKER_04]: Try to set an example and he wants to beat these guys so badly. [SPEAKER_04]: Their ancestors feel it. [SPEAKER_04]: he wants to pay us not out of the Trump people in the court of law. [SPEAKER_04]: So then he can say they've indicated.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and then he can say if I can stand up and punch these bullies in the face, you can do it. [SPEAKER_12]: And we don't talk about we did talk about how if it were not for Jim Comey Jim Comey would probably not be in this position. [SPEAKER_12]: That's true. [SPEAKER_10]: There's no irony there. [SPEAKER_10]: But you know, did you read the indictment? [SPEAKER_10]: It is so soft. [SPEAKER_10]: And I think midnight on Tuesday to do this exactly.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, I know they're there. [SPEAKER_10]: The statute was running out. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Right now. [SPEAKER_10]: And that was going to add them to you. [SPEAKER_10]: And then James apparently so. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, this, this, this young woman, I don't want to call her a little girl because that is inside just an offensive, but this unskilled, unexplurienced young woman.

[SPEAKER_04]: She was a Florida insurance lawyer, never tried and actually tried and prosecuted an actual case. [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, I make fun of her that she was the third-born old up Miss Colorado, but we just had Rebecca Buckwater pose it in, in bad-ass lawyer. [SPEAKER_04]: She kicked Donald Trump's ass technically three times in his first term.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, she was she was in miss you was that was in the miss USA pageants and also Yeah, for her life, Erica Kirk was in the same pageages her and Erica didn't Don't run those yet. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and Donald Trump ran them did you see that was yes that they were very Chummy at that moral thing by the way, so yeah

[SPEAKER_04]: Look, but the fact of the matter is, when people stand up, and when you set up a case like this, I honestly think that Jim Komi wants to take this, and you've got Lindsey Halligan, the not even barely counts as an amateur versus Pat Fitzgerald, former DOJ lawyer from Chicago who ran the investigation of the outing of Valerie Plame and convicted Scooter Libby. [SPEAKER_04]: led the investigations in the conviction of boy of each and Ryan.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this guy is, you know, long time badass. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going, if that's how we're going to do this, if we're going to set this up with some kind of a proxy fight between the Magamorans and the rest of us good people. [SPEAKER_04]: And you guys on the Magamorans side, you want to go with the Toots McSuite. [SPEAKER_04]: So for your side and you know we have like the Hulk on our side.

[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, I'm fine with that somebody said she makes it laying a hobba look like all over when to bless you Whoever said that you are correct is what I mean, there's probably Jody no [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I just, the whole thing to me is just, you know, but it is, it's in line with this whole, with this theme that we've had this week, right, Jody, this mom thugocracy, they're like mobsters, but, you know, it's half-assism. [SPEAKER_04]: They're stupid. [SPEAKER_04]: They're stupid. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and they're exposing them. [SPEAKER_10]: They're exposing themselves.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I think people getting turned out really don't want them to expose themselves because that's also this week this week. [SPEAKER_10]: That's what they've done with that crazy rally that crazy Memorial, which turned into a rally with pyro attack Nixon.

[SPEAKER_04]: there's the latest thing you guys okay so for those of you in the New York New City New York New Jersey part of the the bar New York City New Jersey part of the bar there you guys know New Jersey has elections just like you do in the the Virginia part of the bar yeah and Mikey Cheryl you know decorated military veteran member of Congress currently she's the Democratic candidate

[SPEAKER_04]: So, Marco Rubio, thirsty little Marco, is currently the acting head of the National Archives, and conveniently served by the National Archives leaked Mikey Sheryl's entire unredacted military file to a friend of Jack Chitorelli who happened to give it to him. [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_10]: I hope that helps her because people, you know what, people understand how violated, how they think violated her privacy.

[SPEAKER_12]: They got his social security number on top of it all. [SPEAKER_12]: Let lunches everything else. [SPEAKER_04]: But her social security number, social security number, information of people around her and her family, it's way, way, way, way. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going, well, we just don't know who did it. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, no, we don't know, we'll get a hold of that. [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly, I heard their neck and neck. [SPEAKER_10]: I hope that changes.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think especially after this because, you know, I look [SPEAKER_04]: one of the things I think that that has helped because of this whole thing with Jimmy Kimmel is that a lot of the folks who we were talking about this with Rebecca that that some of the folks who had gone in with maga are suddenly realizing, you know, this might not be such a good idea and they're pulling back. [SPEAKER_04]: You got the the Manos fear types. [SPEAKER_10]: You've got the pastures I call that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and they're going, uh, uh, we ain't down with all that, and most of them are not down with getting docs. [SPEAKER_04]: They're not. [SPEAKER_04]: They're comedians, too. [SPEAKER_04]: They're comedians. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: They're also not down with docs and other people. [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, you know, they're talking to trash, but right, because you and I talked about that the other day, you know, right?

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Nobody's down with docs. [SPEAKER_10]: That's not right. [SPEAKER_11]: Well, in a fact that they're saying that the ice agents are masking because they're afraid of being docs. [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, that's hilarious. [SPEAKER_04]: That's it. [SPEAKER_11]: That's it. [SPEAKER_11]: That's so.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, Sarah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Sarah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and she said and she said this week. [SPEAKER_04]: She said a lot of the stuff that they're doing a lot of the stuff that they're doing and she was she used to be there. [SPEAKER_04]: She used to be there. [SPEAKER_03]: She knows. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she says it is just to intimidate. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, just to intimidate and that goes home to the point. [SPEAKER_04]: All they're doing is trying to intimidate and scare.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like an animal that, you know, frills out it's just whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm big. [SPEAKER_11]: not going to back that they're going to be a casual tease. [SPEAKER_04]: But if we stand up and we go heard and we're much bigger than they are, family, they go, you know what? [SPEAKER_04]: Never mind. [SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't know exactly. [SPEAKER_10]: You can see that. [SPEAKER_10]: We've seen it with them.

[SPEAKER_10]: Every time somebody stands up to them, they back, he back, Sam. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, and, and they all do, and that is the kind of thing that we need to remind each other. [SPEAKER_04]: And we mean, yes, these are scary times. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, some of this stuff is scary. [SPEAKER_04]: But that's exactly it. [SPEAKER_12]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: You're united. [SPEAKER_04]: We are much stronger.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, you know, we don't have to get along with everybody on everything. [SPEAKER_04]: No, we do agree on the basics, you know, things like free speech. [SPEAKER_04]: Democracy looks things like that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: We got one more round. [SPEAKER_04]: Y'all want to help us close down the bar for the week tonight. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: Pair it in and build a true little politics.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_04]: See you. [SPEAKER_04]: Look at that. [SPEAKER_04]: You should and then remember, Jody will also be in for Stephanie next week. [SPEAKER_04]: All next week. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be doing Stephanie. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's right. [SPEAKER_04]: She's like gone all week. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: Next week. [SPEAKER_10]: So call it, please. [SPEAKER_04]: Next week, it's it's really simple.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look, you guys can wake up with Jody and go to bed with Jody. [SPEAKER_04]: Basically, you'll all be Lonnie. [SPEAKER_10]: I think I'm pricking. [SPEAKER_04]: I know that was wrong. [SPEAKER_04]: Yo, y'all can't hold a candle. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm the same. [SPEAKER_04]: Lony can do something y'all can't, because he can do the politics. [SPEAKER_10]: back to exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: So it has been an absolutely ridiculous week.

[SPEAKER_04]: The shutdown stuff, we were talking with Rebecca about this. [SPEAKER_04]: I am cheered for a number of reasons about this. [SPEAKER_04]: I am cheered because Democrats are holding a line, which is good. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: I am cheered because Democrats have things on their side. [SPEAKER_04]: They played this correctly. [SPEAKER_04]: I was worried at first that Chuck was going to. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, he seems to be and and Hakeem is doing it as well and even so we mentioned it to Rebecca. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we've mentioned it to you too, Karen Anita, but it was an amazing act today. [SPEAKER_04]: We actually saw Katie Turr doing some journalism. [SPEAKER_12]: I know, I know, I know. [SPEAKER_12]: Did I want reaction? [SPEAKER_12]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_12]: Is it? [SPEAKER_12]: And I said to, I said to Sean, I'm like, is she okay?

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_12]: Feeling okay? [SPEAKER_12]: I'm having a stroke. [SPEAKER_12]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, the biggest reason I think that we joke about this is because of the fact that we expect more of Katie to her, oftentimes, we know that she can do more.

[SPEAKER_04]: But oftentimes, if you see her, you're just like, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: But today, so she had on Senator Van Hollen, and you could tell that he was trying to get out the point that most of the media should be getting, and that most of the mainstream media hasn't been getting. [SPEAKER_04]: Women get in here. [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about it here, Jodie, for a couple of weeks now.

[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't even listened to this part of it, and she could tell that he was trying to get [SPEAKER_04]: trying to save the thing without saying the word recision. [SPEAKER_04]: And she kind of guided a place where he finally said it, or he said, look, the main story isn't about the ACA subsidies. [SPEAKER_04]: The ACA subsidies are important, but it's about the recisions.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's about the fact that if Democrats in the Senate make a deal without having the ability to block the recisions from the Republicans, they're going to pull the same crap they did this summer with NPR and PBS and FIA. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're probably going to go after more of the health care. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to go after more of the things that the rest of us care about.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because if Democrats agree and say, sure, we'll agree to fund the government, but we're not going to block you from being jackasses and trying to undo the deal 10 minutes later, that's exactly what Russ fought and the Republicans and Congress, tiny Johnson are going to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm glad that it's clear that some of the Democrats are going, no, we're not having it. [SPEAKER_04]: We're not doing that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I'm like, my God, they got it. [SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, they wouldn't have got it without us screaming. [SPEAKER_04]: I know, literally, what are some phone calls and texts? [SPEAKER_10]: I was actually worried about that. [SPEAKER_10]: That they would, you know, trust them, you know, take their work, given them, you know, what they've done in the past. [SPEAKER_10]: And then we're Republicans have been doing what we're dealing with right now.

[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it's just, it would be, that would be completely fine, bug. [SPEAKER_04]: I understand, this is really what I think is they did probably. [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't have confirmation of this. [SPEAKER_04]: But my guess is that they did three levels. [SPEAKER_04]: is that the Democrats in Congress is that the Jeffries and Schumer sat down and laid out a plan and said, look, there's going to be three levels. [SPEAKER_04]: The first one is a non-starter.

[SPEAKER_04]: If we don't get this, we ain't doing squat. [SPEAKER_04]: And that is no resistance, whether it's a seven-month or a seven-week CR, no freakin' resistance. [SPEAKER_04]: Because as soon as a new CR assigned, they can do at least two [SPEAKER_04]: So no, no, no, no decisions whatsoever. [SPEAKER_04]: The next level is we would like the ACA subsidies to be extended temporarily, a little bit further than they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then the third version would be let's extend the ACA subsidies permanently. [SPEAKER_04]: But most of the media has focused on, oh, well, it's all about health care. [SPEAKER_04]: And while Democrats do, that's literally care and Republicans don't. [SPEAKER_04]: We have a piece in the news on tap today, 35 conservative groups aligned with Republicans. [SPEAKER_04]: have been pushing Republican elected members of Congress to not do any deal that extends the ACA subsidies.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: How do you get behind 1 in 17 to 20 million people to lose their insurance? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't get that. [SPEAKER_11]: I don't. [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, do you think those are, you know, talking about talking about the ACA and healthcare because there are Republican voters that are on the, you know, the Affordable Care Act.

[SPEAKER_11]: Do you think that that is, they think that that is an easier way to explain it to the vast majority of people without, because like the resisions, do you think it's like, maybe you're a little bit of some people. [SPEAKER_10]: I think they have to keep it simplistic because people will not understand it. [SPEAKER_10]: But what happened to the transgender surgeries for everyone? [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I forgot about that. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I forgot about the demands for that, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's what the right said we wanted, right? [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, I don't know. [SPEAKER_10]: That's a Donald Trump set. [SPEAKER_10]: He did. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right, right. [SPEAKER_04]: You're right, and he does, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's as hard to explain the decisions issue as other people do, because it's real simple. [SPEAKER_04]: If you and I make an agreement, [SPEAKER_04]: 10 minutes later, you go ahead and break the agreement and screw me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why should I agree to make any agreement with you? [SPEAKER_04]: That's what we're talking about with decisions. [SPEAKER_04]: That's why Democrats are saying screw you guys because that's what Republicans want. [SPEAKER_04]: That first tier of things that Democrats want is to say if you and I are going to make an agreement to fund the government, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: But 10 minutes later, I don't want Russ fought from OMB who says he's going to fire [SPEAKER_04]: to come in here and cut out all the money for every, every one of those government workers permanently. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm not going to agree to that. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to agree because then five minutes later, you can change the agreement and anybody that you, I mentioned this earlier tonight to Rebecca.

[SPEAKER_04]: I said, uh, I got a magna neighbor who I don't always, but you know, we try to be civil. [SPEAKER_04]: And I, I just, you know, somehow the conversation ended up on the shutdown thing. [SPEAKER_04]: And I explained it. [SPEAKER_04]: like that 30 seconds, like I just explained it to you all here. [SPEAKER_10]: But these, but politicians have to be able to explain it, like, you know, the same.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I just did and that I know, but when I did that magna neighbor, he was like, oh, hell, no, I wouldn't agree to that. [SPEAKER_10]: And you go. [SPEAKER_10]: I know, but you, it has to be so short and sweet. [SPEAKER_10]: It's like has to fit on a bumper sticker. [SPEAKER_10]: You know, the saying, if you're explaining your losing in politics, so what do you call the resisions, right? [SPEAKER_10]: People are not going to know what that is.

[SPEAKER_10]: So what is the simplest [SPEAKER_04]: you know, the thing is a need and this is the thing that the center of and howling got to and this is the thing that Katie Turner kind of got into is and this is one of the things people are not as dumb. [SPEAKER_04]: I think is the mainstream media mainstream news media thinks they are. [SPEAKER_04]: it's okay to explain the folks what a decision is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's okay to explain to folks that what Republicans want to do is well-chunne bet with decisions. [SPEAKER_04]: And once you explain it that way, people are able to tie the word decision to the word to the idea of welching. [SPEAKER_04]: And they go, got it. [SPEAKER_04]: You want to go in and clap out after the agreement's done. [SPEAKER_04]: And Democrats should go, [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, and it's also breaking a contract, right? [SPEAKER_04]: It's as simple as that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not even legalese. [SPEAKER_04]: It's breaking an agreement. [SPEAKER_04]: When you're governing with other people that you don't agree with, it's about trust. [SPEAKER_04]: Why should Democrats trust Republicans and Republicans in the same container and stab them in the back like they did this summer? [SPEAKER_10]: It's gotta be something people can relate to. [SPEAKER_10]: I like that about watching on a deal. [SPEAKER_10]: Right.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, that type of language because it has to be something that most people can understand and relate to. [SPEAKER_10]: I think. [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. [SPEAKER_04]: I get it completely agree with that completely, but that's just so that's you know, I'm not as worried because there's that and then there's all the laws Rebecca had a list that she had when we were talking. [SPEAKER_12]: She's worried that they're not going to follow the laws and same here.

[SPEAKER_04]: True. [SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, I'm not as worried. [SPEAKER_04]: I know you are, Joe, but I look at it and say, look, September 12th, what two weeks ago, federal judge William Alsep said, OPM does not have the power to mass fire employees. [SPEAKER_04]: They can't OMB can't and basically gave the power to any federal employee if they get a note like that to give the finger. [SPEAKER_04]: to the Republicans who are doing that. [SPEAKER_04]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's because Alseps stood up for the law and said the law says you can't do that. [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, here's a whole list of laws that say you can't freak and do that. [SPEAKER_04]: So you want to do it. [SPEAKER_04]: There are ways to do it. [SPEAKER_04]: They're just long and cumbersome and a pain in the ass. [SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing. [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of the Republicans, they don't want to do it that way.

[SPEAKER_04]: They want to be able to push a button like on a remote control and go, well, I just got what I wanted. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: There is no easy button for government. [SPEAKER_10]: But you know, back to that question, you said, why do they want to take like seven millions of people off their health care or make it so uncomfortable, they can't, you know, be on anything because they can't afford to. [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, Republicans, look how it happened in red states.

[SPEAKER_10]: where they like my state where we still don't have expanded Medicaid and even the federal government was going to come in and pay for it right it wasn't going to cost anything but yet we still don't have Medicaid it would have we have the most uninsured people in the country state of Texas but your health insurance rates for the people who have health insurance in Texas is also significantly higher in part because of the people who are uninsured that's right so my point is my point is that they will do I mean it's just they will just

[SPEAKER_10]: destroy their own lives. [SPEAKER_10]: Just to all the labs. [SPEAKER_04]: Power. [SPEAKER_12]: It's a power thing. [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that there are a lot more of the folks who are like your Joe Rogans, who look at it and say, [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not down with that. [SPEAKER_04]: I was down with it when it was fun and it wasn't really hurting anybody, but now that it's kicking me in the Jimmy, and I don't mean Kimmel. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not down with it no more.

[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, well, maybe they're starting to realize that those guardrails and the checks and balances were actually protecting them as well. [SPEAKER_10]: I see them getting a little nervous, but the truth is Democratic president will won't do the type of things Donald Trump of course would never try to even take Fox off the air. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I keep thinking of a meme. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you guys saw this meme back when Joe Biden got in it first.

[SPEAKER_04]: and it was him at a desk and it had all these little kind of like pop up bubbles accused of pop up music videos. [SPEAKER_04]: And it was just a him saying I got an on f this and on f this and on f that on f this and on f [SPEAKER_10]: You should have said that out loud. [SPEAKER_10]: He should have said that out loud. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, no Joe, he probably did, just saying no. [SPEAKER_10]: Well, no, he didn't say it to them.

[SPEAKER_10]: He didn't, he never talked about it really. [SPEAKER_10]: About the mess that he had to clean up, whereas don't compromise about it how terrible everything was. [SPEAKER_10]: But Biden gave him, he inherited amazing economy from Joe Biden. [SPEAKER_10]: He did. [SPEAKER_04]: And he and Annie hired before that an amazing economy from Barack Obama. [SPEAKER_04]: That's where. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but he always acts like, you know, he's still want to create that.

[SPEAKER_10]: That he's fixing this horrible economy or that he doesn't, that nobody else can credit for the economy that Obama left him. [SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, right. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so there is, there is so much more to talk about on the economy. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, we are at the end of the week and the end of the night, but we do have a little after hours time. [SPEAKER_04]: If you two have a little time for after hours, of course, all right.

[SPEAKER_12]: That's when all the clothing comes off people that are not in the air. [SPEAKER_04]: No, we can't do that at poker, huh? [SPEAKER_04]: Very well, I'd lose it that for sure. [SPEAKER_04]: We are going to do it after hours. [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to catch up on the stuff we're talking about, as we're closing the bar down, you can check out the after hours for free. [SPEAKER_04]: Tonight's after the show at the politics bar.com.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Next week, man, we got some great guests coming up, Jared and Charles and David Shockets. [SPEAKER_04]: They will all be in. [SPEAKER_04]: We expect to see you guys here too. [SPEAKER_04]: Have yourselves a good weekend. [SPEAKER_04]: Don't do anything I would do and don't do some of the things I would either.