Honest Tea July 15, 2025

[SPEAKER_06]: I've got to the bar. [SPEAKER_06]: It's political. [SPEAKER_05]: I've got to the bar. [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, radical. [SPEAKER_05]: You think it's a bar? [SPEAKER_05]: Wherever you are, the politics bar. [SPEAKER_06]: Shotsmith, Pearson, Jody Hamilton. [SPEAKER_08]: Jody. [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, John. [SPEAKER_08]: It's Tuesday here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: It's been a busy day. [SPEAKER_08]: Lot of news out there. [SPEAKER_08]: Lot of people still telling lies.

[SPEAKER_08]: Lot of people in denial. [SPEAKER_08]: And I do not meet in the river. [SPEAKER_08]: It's seriously there are but to help people come on if you're gonna be involved in news or politics you really should be telling the truth because there are some good journalists out there. [SPEAKER_08]: We happen to have one coming into the bar tonight Brian Keram is coming in here. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I like him. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, he and I have spared on social media before. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you to a spot on social media before the jury have no not at all no see I didn't I didn't think so you're you're more kind than I am but you know look I think he's fantastic I think he's got a great record and we'll kill him about the news about politics and maybe a little entertainment to maybe get a little uh... comic talk in there he's also a musician don't forget about that he is he's he's got a he is a very interesting person and uh... we're glad to be able to have him here in the bar absolutely with you guys

[SPEAKER_08]: Hey, thank you, by the way, for coming into the politics bar tonight from AM-Nine-Fifty folks coming in from the Minneapolis St. [SPEAKER_08]: Paul area, or WCP TV AM-A-Twenty area. [SPEAKER_08]: Of course, we've also got our America one radio folks in Atlanta, the detour talk radio folks at the Tri-City's area of Tennessee, or hey, progressive voices radio worldwide, wherever you're tuning in, or if you're from the future, you podcast people.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hey, thank you very, very much. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, Tuesday. [SPEAKER_08]: It's not only busy day for news. [SPEAKER_08]: It's also a busy day for Jodi where she does five thousand three hundred and forty eight podcasts and radio shows because, you know, it's Tuesday. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, Stephanie did joke that the last Thursday, I think I said to Bob, I'm like, I don't know what show I said to him.

[SPEAKER_08]: I know, I think I actually have that on one of our promos that goes out to other shows. [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, look, you're a busy, you know, house broadcaster podcaster. [SPEAKER_08]: There's nothing wrong with that. [SPEAKER_08]: You keep your stuff in line. [SPEAKER_08]: You mean you know what's going on? [SPEAKER_08]: It's just funny because, you know, you are in a lot of shows and everybody loves you.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, part of the reason everybody loves you because Jody is right. [SPEAKER_08]: Just fine. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a way. [SPEAKER_08]: In the news on tap today, uh, we have a lot of people who are wrong, starting with Senate Republican leader John Thun, barreling ahead on this brutal decision. [SPEAKER_08]: Got nine point four billion dollars worth going to try to basically gut NPR and PBS. [SPEAKER_08]: You guys know the number. [SPEAKER_08]: You remember the number, Jody?

[SPEAKER_04]: Two, two, two, two, one, three, one, two, four three, one, two, one. [SPEAKER_08]: got it to two two two four three one two one two two two four three one two one. [SPEAKER_08]: That is the Senate switchboard. [SPEAKER_08]: Make sure to call your senator whether they are Republican or a Democrat and tell them to vote hell. [SPEAKER_08]: No on the decisions bill or vote no one anything. [SPEAKER_08]: Stop that decisions bill.

[SPEAKER_08]: Whatever you got to do because that's just how that goes. [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, there you go. [SPEAKER_08]: We like we like Sesame Street. [SPEAKER_08]: We like NPR and PBS. [SPEAKER_08]: These are good things. [SPEAKER_04]: How can you not like Sesame Street? [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, some people are magas and, you know, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, some people are magas and, you know, I'm sorry. [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry [SPEAKER_08]: Especially because we've got a piece that is in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_08]: I can't remember where I put it in here about the people who are in DC. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, I know the folks out here. [SPEAKER_08]: And it is gotten ridiculous because they're hired, they're fired, they're hired, they're fired, they're fired. [SPEAKER_08]: It screws up people's lives.

[SPEAKER_00]: It screws up their families. [SPEAKER_08]: It screws up their bills. [SPEAKER_08]: It screws up their credit. [SPEAKER_08]: It screws up. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's just cruel. [SPEAKER_08]: It is unnecessarily cruel, which we all know. [SPEAKER_08]: This was one of the things that was in Project twenty twenty five is that they wanted to do this to hurt government workers. [SPEAKER_08]: What did what did that jackass say that they wanted. [SPEAKER_08]: Guys at OMB.

[SPEAKER_08]: The guy who basically is one of the lead authors behind project, twenty twenty five. [SPEAKER_08]: I cannot remember his name right now. [SPEAKER_08]: Russell vote. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that guy. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm I'm trying very hard. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm expanding some of my brain power not to to break the FCC rules and curse. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, very difficult.

[SPEAKER_08]: It takes a lot of effort sometimes especially when you're talking about somebody like Russell vote who, um, you know, I [SPEAKER_08]: All I can say is that I wish he was working for Putin and made Putin mad and then stood next to a window, just saying. [SPEAKER_04]: But Putin is very laughing at our current president. [SPEAKER_08]: That's definitely in the news today as well. [SPEAKER_08]: So it looks like Donnie.

[SPEAKER_08]: While his idiot Maga followers may still be the roobs and may still be mad at him about the whole Epstein thing, uh, that he's actually maybe. [SPEAKER_08]: There are more people who are, uh, finally kind of coming to the consensus that it's not a joke this time that Trump actually has finally started to get that Putin is, has made a fool of him. [SPEAKER_08]: And of course he's pissed.

[SPEAKER_08]: So now, Donnie's going to back Ukraine more strongly because he wants to hurt Vlad. [SPEAKER_04]: But he's still getting Vlad fifty days to destroy another country. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I. The whole thing is dumb. [SPEAKER_08]: Every everything under this incompetent government is stupid.

[SPEAKER_08]: And unfortunately for right now, we are, we are all going to have to agree to make sure that we make sure there are consequences for all of this from from the top all the way down. [SPEAKER_08]: That is, it's something that the good people, whatever, whatever conflict, unfortunately in the United States, I mean, go back to the Civil War.

[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, you know, when we started reconstruction, it was there were people who were telling Lincoln that he needed to be significantly more harsh to the people in Confederacy. [SPEAKER_08]: I would have been one of those people. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, look, I would have been like, look, March, March those, you know, Confederate idiots through the streets and what they ask in public. [SPEAKER_08]: People are like, damn, I'm like, no, I'm very serious. [SPEAKER_08]: I, I'm one of those people who, um, I didn't necessarily mind what Sherman did.

[SPEAKER_08]: people like damn i'm like so i i have a friend i may have care of i told you this when i know i've told other people before so i'm a friend he was uh... grew up in uh... northern florida kind of along the floor georgia line he is very clearly not racist in any way shaped reform [SPEAKER_08]: But for those of you who don't know what Sherman did, Sherman when he did his march to the sea, they burned everything and they basically killed everything that was alive.

[SPEAKER_04]: The most expensive line in a movie at Lamp Burns. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly, because when Sherman marched to the sea, he laid a path and he destroyed just him and him and the Union army destroyed so much so deep, so badly. [SPEAKER_08]: So like I said, my friend, he grew up kind of in that area. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: Definitely not racist.

[SPEAKER_08]: And yet if you mention General Sherman, even he and people like him get their hackles up, it was [SPEAKER_08]: probably the only one of the only things in history more brutal is probably Genghis Khan who did similar and that's the kind of thing that that lasts hundreds sometimes more than that years in a culture when you go through an area absolutely I [SPEAKER_08]: I would have been one of the kind of people who would have wanted that done to a lot of places in the south.

[SPEAKER_08]: And people go damn, and I go, yeah, but they would have learned their lesson and they would have never forgotten. [SPEAKER_08]: Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, Lincoln was a lot nicer than I was. [SPEAKER_08]: And unfortunately, some of the same people making the same mistakes. [SPEAKER_08]: And just now look what we got, basically the modern confederacy. [SPEAKER_08]: So I, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if it would have worked.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's an alternate history. [SPEAKER_08]: We don't know about, but that's kind of my personal feeling on that is that some of these folks just need need to be taught to a little bit more of a lesson. [SPEAKER_08]: So anyway, we do have some stories about what is currently going on, including in fact Steve Bennett had a great piece today. [SPEAKER_08]: Senator Republicans just confirmed a their first judge of Trump's new second term.

[SPEAKER_08]: You think she actually knows what she's doing, Jordy? [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think we do. [SPEAKER_08]: We do she doesn't this woman. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, oh, God. [SPEAKER_08]: She's we'll go over to a little bit later. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, I see Brian knocking at the door. [SPEAKER_08]: I want to let him in early here because Brian Keram is coming in here to the politics bar this evening. [SPEAKER_08]: And we know he's in early, but there he is.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr. Brian Keram, welcome to the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: How are you doing this evening, man? [SPEAKER_01]: Good. [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing? [SPEAKER_08]: Not too bad. [SPEAKER_08]: We are glad to have you on the air in the bar here. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, all the FCC rules will be perfect. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a somewhere back here somewhere behind me in this picture here, but it's all good. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready. [SPEAKER_08]: Let's burn.

[SPEAKER_08]: Nice. [SPEAKER_08]: You've got the fantastic shades. [SPEAKER_08]: I love that man. [SPEAKER_08]: Wait a minute. [SPEAKER_08]: Jody told me that you do it. [SPEAKER_08]: You do an impression. [SPEAKER_08]: A specific comedic impression. [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with me? [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with me? [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with me? [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with me? [SPEAKER_08]: That's a good danger field. [SPEAKER_08]: That is a good danger field.

[SPEAKER_08]: Brian Welking by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: My favorite Rodney joke is he says, you know, I went to see my proctologist. [SPEAKER_00]: He used to be a photographer. [SPEAKER_00]: He said, bend over and say cheese. [SPEAKER_04]: That is a good one. [SPEAKER_04]: That is a good one. [SPEAKER_08]: That is a good one. [SPEAKER_08]: That is a good one. [SPEAKER_08]: I know you've been doing your podcast just as the question. [SPEAKER_08]: We have that.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's one of the ads that we have during our show and we, you know, we like that. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a very good show. [SPEAKER_08]: If you have not listened to it, you can definitely subscribe to that podcast. [SPEAKER_08]: I know you're still writing for Salon and still writing pieces elsewhere. [SPEAKER_08]: I think I saw one not too long ago. [SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't rolling stone or yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you know, you, you've been a fantastic journalist for so long for one of the, it's one of those weird things for the longest time. [SPEAKER_08]: You do not seem, you do not seem to be that old, which is great, but it's always one of those things for me for God.

[SPEAKER_08]: I've been doing this for like thirty years, and for as long as I can remember, what I really started to get more into the news side of it, it's like, oh, you need somebody who knows what the hell's going on in the White House Pressroom. [SPEAKER_08]: You just talk to Karam, because he'll know what the hell. [SPEAKER_08]: And you give people this kind of, you're very honest about it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sucks.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, you and I, you and I had some debates back and forth on social media over the years. [SPEAKER_08]: But I still respect the hell out of you because, you know, look, there are certain people in our cabal of, you know, national media news media people who call me the A-hole because I am, you know, as direct in some ways as you are to them and they really don't like it.

[SPEAKER_08]: They also don't like the fact that sometimes when I do things like that, I'll loop in their bosses and then they get really pissed. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry, Jake Tapper. [SPEAKER_08]: That's just how that thing kind of thing goes. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, well, don't get me started on that. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm waiting three years from now. [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to go in a mayocopoture about how we missed Donald Trump's dementia.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Jake, that you missed it. [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we're here for it. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've been wanting you about it. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, with Biden, I mean, you could say what you will. [SPEAKER_01]: got people angry when I said the worst communication team I'd ever worked with was under Karine Jean-Pierre and then it became out and, you know, uh, let's just get a party for the becoming independent and then people were alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe you were right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going, yeah, she was horrible. [SPEAKER_01]: She was, uh, and I like her personally. [SPEAKER_01]: I like her, but professionally she didn't have the uh, wherewithal to be there and it was the worst communication staff I ever worked with. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this one. [SPEAKER_01]: and lower the bar even further. [SPEAKER_08]: We're definitely going to talk about this. [SPEAKER_08]: You came in right here before the break.

[SPEAKER_08]: So look, let's take a quick break. [SPEAKER_08]: We will come back and we will talk more about BS Barbie and the BS White House with the one and the only Brian Kerom who look, he knows for what he's talking about on this type of stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: And we're going to talk a little bit about some of the other news going on, including the Epstein mess because I know you've got to take on. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, it's Jody, it's Brian Kerim, and it's me Sean Smith Pierce.

[SPEAKER_08]: It is the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_08]: Get your drink fresh enough. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get you guys the arrest me for the drink of the day a little bit later. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll get more news of the day too, but we got Brian in the house. [SPEAKER_08]: So we gotta talk with him. [SPEAKER_08]: Like I said, go freshen up your drink. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll be right back. [SPEAKER_08]: Hang on. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you how to make them into.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, back again too. [SPEAKER_08]: Hang on, hang on. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: It's Tuesday night here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: You got me Sean. [SPEAKER_08]: You got Jodi and we have Brian Keram in the house. [SPEAKER_08]: Long time White House correspondent for Playboy. [SPEAKER_08]: Now independent journalist and the host of just ask the questions. [SPEAKER_08]: Great podcast.

[SPEAKER_08]: You should subscribe. [SPEAKER_08]: Of course, you can just go to the news on tap. [SPEAKER_08]: Go down to the guest section. [SPEAKER_08]: You can click right through to get there. [SPEAKER_08]: Brian, we were talking in the break here about, we got talking about Jake Tapper, we got talked about that horrible debate last year, the very first debate.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I was saying that you and I, I think were a couple of the only people on social media who were in sensed and were outspoken about how badly that that was handled. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would, I've, well, all right, full disclosure, I've hosted many debates, congressional, senatorial, local state. [SPEAKER_01]: I would not have handled the debate as they handled it. [SPEAKER_01]: I, if you're going to spout mountains of bullshit. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a debate moderator.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is within my purview. [SPEAKER_01]: May my responsibility to call you on it and ask you questions about what it is that you claimed so that you can further, you don't have to go, hey, you're a liar. [SPEAKER_01]: Just start asking questions and ask them to isolate where the facts are behind what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: But where did you get that drum? [SPEAKER_01]: And they did not do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so while I said that Joe Biden obviously did a very poor job, I thought Donald Trump worked, poor job. [SPEAKER_01]: And at some point in time, I don't know, two old men talking about their golf game. [SPEAKER_01]: I would have, all right, it didn't go, look pal, nobody's, you know, voting on you for caddy. [SPEAKER_01]: What was the president? [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was just a poorly moderated debate. [SPEAKER_01]: We had some contentious debates.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jamie Raskin's first [SPEAKER_01]: run for office right this can we're very contentious i had nine people on one of those debates uh... many of them that you would know one of them ended up in congress uh... cattling math use was involved in it and it was right but it at the end of the day you're the guy running the rodeo you can't if you can't last so these morons running for office [SPEAKER_01]: And I use Moron's in a very productive sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you shouldn't be the moderator. [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought Federation was poorly done. [SPEAKER_01]: And it angers me because I would have loved to have had that opportunity. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have been a completely different ball game. [SPEAKER_08]: Amen. [SPEAKER_08]: Amen. [SPEAKER_08]: That's that's my that that has been my contention with so much of this stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: You were saying before the break that that you know you didn't you like Korean jump here, but you didn't have that basically the functionality of Biden's press room under Korean Jean Pierre was one of the worst that you've dealt with. [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't deal with the functionality. [SPEAKER_08]: I knew several of the people there on and off. [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, I liked the people, the interaction that I had was okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: But the bigger problem now is the fact that it's, I mean, first of all, the current press room with what, what, [SPEAKER_08]: Look, you know, I used to work for Randy Rhodes, and we started labeling her Randy Labrador literally, I think, like the first day, BS Barbie. [SPEAKER_08]: Let me pay the line. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's secretary. [SPEAKER_01]: Just give her a pair of pom-poms, and it's like a pep rally. [SPEAKER_01]: This is happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything in there is garbage. [SPEAKER_01]: And for her to sit there and preach to us about fake news, I would have done to her the same thing I did to their first press secretary. [SPEAKER_01]: Go look. [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody in the audience has the opportunity to not read us or to turn the channel and not watch us or listen to us. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: You're not there for four years. [SPEAKER_01]: You had better be honest with us and you're not.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that she can claim that we have no credibility when she claimed that Donald Trump not only invented the motto [SPEAKER_01]: But he's the restraint, which is what goes back to the Roman times, that for her to do that, tells you just how in-app he is. [SPEAKER_01]: And the best pushback I've seen was from Peter Alexander at NBC about a week or so ago. [SPEAKER_01]: when they were talking about how they want to arrest criminals at the court.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said so six a six year old is a criminal and she goes, well, I'm not dealing in hypotheticals. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she understands the actual definition of that word because he was speaking specifically about [SPEAKER_01]: not hypothetically, specifically and in fact, the one had happened and she could not deal with that. [SPEAKER_01]: And so he all he did was ask questions. [SPEAKER_01]: He did it the right way. [SPEAKER_01]: He just asked for clarification.

[SPEAKER_01]: He continued down that path. [SPEAKER_01]: She marched herself into a corner and all he did was go, hey, you're an idiot. [SPEAKER_01]: But he then said it. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, it bothers me that we don't have more of that in the press room today. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we don't even, some of us aren't there. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I sent my press pass.

[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt that I, you know, that I would have to end up yelling at her and I just, I don't have the wherewithal to yell at a twenty-seven year old who has all the acumen of it, you know, a cheerleader on Adderall. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean one of the things Brian that you have been known for is asking hard questions in that press room. [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't even think that it's like you mentioned the functionality problem with, you know, undercringe up here.

[SPEAKER_08]: The functionality problem here, it's not just the press room. [SPEAKER_08]: It's everywhere. [SPEAKER_08]: And look, I'm glad, frankly, that you're not in the press room.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm glad that so many journalists are organizations seem to have taken the note from J. Rose and great journalism professor who said, send the damn interns to the press room and cover everything else because [SPEAKER_08]: BS Barbie gets so little press now from even from a lot of the mainstream media because they know

[SPEAKER_01]: she's not going to tell the truth and when when she gets to know news press briefings are simply theater of the absurd productions brought to you by mindless paddling endorsed by mindless minions and propagated by mindless members of the right wing media for for consumption by mindless cult members who would merely want to stay within their own [SPEAKER_01]: informational, disinformation, will silo and revel in their stupidity. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no point in it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's very little news to be provided. [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it's been, and they only do it once or twice a week at most. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're absolutely point. [SPEAKER_01]: It's to me, it's like going to a kindergarten show, put on by people who don't even know how to spell kindergarten. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just surprised that the cross hasn't burned on her skin at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've got to tell you, I'm in the curvil area covering the floods right now. [SPEAKER_01]: I realized I was back in Texas when I stopped at a gas station and where they sell trinkets, you know, on the side of the road, on the interstate, just off of I-Ten, I think. [SPEAKER_01]: And I pulled any, you can buy your, the wonderful cowboy hat, some boots, whatever you want that says Texas on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I'm back in Texas when I can buy a two by three carved wooden crucifix with a gun attached. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm back in Texas, baby. [SPEAKER_08]: I remember, I can't remember, are you from Texas or did you just come up there in journalism? [SPEAKER_08]: Cause I remember back in the day. [SPEAKER_01]: We went from Louisville, Kentucky, and the whole country. [SPEAKER_01]: Politician, I interviewed outside of my own family who are politicians, was Mitch McConnell.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shins. [SPEAKER_01]: And this was in nineteen seventy-eight. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_04]: And you were like six years old? [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was defeated. [SPEAKER_01]: And when I prior to going into interview him, [SPEAKER_01]: I had spoken to my uncle, Pete, who had worked with Mitch, and there's a backstory about how Mitch tried to take over the Republican Party in Kentucky and failed.

[SPEAKER_01]: And all of those that ran on the coup with him, he threw under the bus. [SPEAKER_01]: And my uncle was, at that point time, I remember he was a, I mean, most of my family were all progressive Democrats [SPEAKER_01]: Pete was a Republican, and he left the Republican party because of Mitch, because he said they're all told.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, the night before I went into interview, Mitch, he says, Brian, if you're going to interview Mitch McConnell, you've got to understand Mitch McConnell is about one thing and one thing only. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, what's that? [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, Mitch McConnell. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, not changed. [SPEAKER_01]: And what? [SPEAKER_01]: Fifty years. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Turtle Man is always about Turtle Man. [SPEAKER_08]: He's always been.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's exactly who McConnell has always been. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's. [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, the first job I had in journalism was in Conro, Texas. [SPEAKER_01]: I was a editor, a sports editor, a newspaper there. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the first time I ran a foul of officialdom. [SPEAKER_01]: I had covered a high school football game. [SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed they only put this one guy in.

[SPEAKER_01]: when they desperately needed yardage he was breaking back otherwise he was on defense and so why don't they start this guy he's the best and and it was because he was black and starting was white so I got called before the uh... the coaches and they're all seven of them who think of we think of the guy who covers con row is kind of the cheerleading for the con row team and [SPEAKER_01]: You're not being a cheerleader. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, hey, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: When you, when you pay my salary, you can tell me what to write. [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I don't really care. [SPEAKER_01]: And after it, if I can tell you, well, I got kicked out of the Senate. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, I got in Texas. [SPEAKER_01]: And in Loreto, I was hauled before a grand jury asked my sources. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I got jailed in San Antonio. [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, I was going to mention the San Antonio one.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, I had run in with several presidents. [SPEAKER_01]: I got fired from a job because I was rude to President Bush. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I got hired about a week later by someone who told me they had a need for an arrogant obnoxious investigative reporter was I available. [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't want this thing to happen. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, there's nothing wrong with being honest.

[SPEAKER_08]: And in fact, that's what most of us should do in journalism. [SPEAKER_08]: That's the thing that bothers me. [SPEAKER_08]: Badly about the people that we shared this space with right now. [SPEAKER_08]: And especially when they're dealing with this ridiculous Epstein story, this thing is just so, I mean, you know, look, Jody, I were talking about this yesterday, Brian.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I said, look, whether there is a, you know, depends on how you define list, [SPEAKER_08]: There is likely a quote unquote list of people who had interactions with Jeffrey Epstein. [SPEAKER_08]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: But the key is they aren't going to be able to prosecute them at the DOJ. [SPEAKER_08]: Pam Bonnie, you know, as as much of a suck up as she is, she knows that as well as anybody else that she can't actually prosecute those people.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that if that quote unquote list gets out, then you're dealing [SPEAKER_08]: and libel and slander, then you're dealing an outside people suing a DOJ, then you're dealing in discovery, and then the things that they really don't want to get out are going to come out. [SPEAKER_08]: So if you understand that the parameters of the game go and in, and you're honest with people, and yet we talk about it here in the bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: But if you go out to some of our other colleagues, even some of the ones who are getting fairly close, they're not being that direct telling people why they're not. [SPEAKER_08]: And look, we know the robes. [SPEAKER_08]: We know the robes have believed all kinds of BS from Donald Trump and from his cabal of people. [SPEAKER_08]: But this to them is a, it's just a huge thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, okay, it's great, but does it, you know, does it bring more money into your pocketbooks? [SPEAKER_08]: Does it? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's dissect the Jeffrey Epstein issue. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, big of people have wanted that list. [SPEAKER_01]: disseminated and Donald Trump campaigned on disseminating that list and I don't want it because they believe it exposes the deep state and then many Democrats will be on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying if they're Democrats on it fine, screw on it fine, screw on it fine, screw on. [SPEAKER_01]: There is, there is to your point. [SPEAKER_01]: There is a list. [SPEAKER_01]: What the list actually is? [SPEAKER_01]: No one knows. [SPEAKER_01]: Donald Trump said there was a list. [SPEAKER_01]: No, he would know, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And he said he was both a list. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Pam Bondi came out and said there isn't a list.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then Donald Trump came back and said there is a list, but the Democrats made it up. [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? [SPEAKER_01]: And he said this in a misive on truth social that is [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are more words in that miss if then in some Sunday opinion section, he would find that at the end, he's asking you to put it behind you, the guy that will never die, quit mentioning Jeffrey Epstein, and he mentions the guy six times in his miss.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's obviously upset about it. [SPEAKER_01]: And it should remind people of what happened during the raid on Marolago, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Because he said at first there is no classified information. [SPEAKER_01]: Then he said there was classified information that was planted by the FBI. [SPEAKER_01]: And then he found and said, no, there is classified information. [SPEAKER_01]: But I, with my Vulcan mind mill, had made it non-classified.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was allowed to have it. [SPEAKER_01]: So the story changed at least three times there and it's changing here. [SPEAKER_01]: There is something there. [SPEAKER_01]: We know that. [SPEAKER_01]: What it is, we don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Because no one's been factual with this yet. [SPEAKER_01]: But the real problem I have with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And first of all, I hate to, you know, read in history books later, twenty-thirty years from now, how Jeff Epstein, how Jeffrey Epstein united the United States. [SPEAKER_01]: Here you have negative members and far left members go and release the damn list. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're right. [SPEAKER_01]: It should both of sides are right. [SPEAKER_01]: It should be released. [SPEAKER_01]: And my biggest problem with this is Pam Bondi.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Pam Bondi said in her midst of that there is no list all we found in the files where it's all this horrific evidence of him being a pedophile and videotapes, et cetera, so on. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: If that's the truth, then you are a hypocrite. [SPEAKER_01]: Because you had the opportunity to prosecute him when you were in Florida. [SPEAKER_01]: And he did not do it. [SPEAKER_01]: And now's not fitting culpability for your failure to do your job.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should be impeached and removed from office and jailed as being complicit in the propagation of a cover up. [SPEAKER_08]: totally agree. [SPEAKER_08]: Brian, can we hold you over for another round for one more round? [SPEAKER_08]: Alright, Brian Keram is here in the politics bar tonight. [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to talk more with him about some of the politics is going on some of the media stuff to freshen up your drink and come right back. [SPEAKER_08]: Hang on.

[SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: We're back at the politics bar on a Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_08]: Brian Caram is cutting a rug right now. [SPEAKER_00]: He had driving the way up music. [SPEAKER_08]: I thank you. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, this music we know it's been done.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was it was created and the whole thing built and played by Jody's fantastic husband Lonnie who you guys were just talking about this this possibility of maybe Lonnie and Brian kind of jamming an LA possibly. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in wrong baby. [SPEAKER_04]: He's taking a nap because, you know, it's late. [SPEAKER_08]: I get it. [SPEAKER_08]: It's late. [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, don't worry about it. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, you guys can connect over email or Facebook or Twitter.

[SPEAKER_08]: By the way, we are on social media at the politics bar on all your favorite social media places. [SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, what is it? [SPEAKER_08]: Threads and blue sky, Instagram Twitter, Facebook, just check us out at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: All right, Brian. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we were a hundred percent agreeing with you as far as Pam Bondi and her culpability in all of this.

[SPEAKER_08]: There is culpability in a lot of the crap that we're dealing with, especially the politics over the last decade, though, in our news industry.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this is the point where you and I have gone back and forth before my contention has been for years that there needs to be a set of industry standards and practices that is a minimum set for what's allowed to call itself news other nations other nations have similar things like that we don't because look I don't care if you want to be fox or if you want to be you know one of these right wing BS podcasters who throw out all the garbage you want to do that that's fine it just shouldn't be allowed to be called

[SPEAKER_04]: news you're breaking the first amendment then. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, no, no, you can do you won't you just can't call the news. [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of brief speech means free speech and I you label it what you want. [SPEAKER_01]: My concern is more of I can def I cannot define a journalist. [SPEAKER_01]: You're acting as a journalist if you're out, you witness an event and they put you on TV and go, what did you speak?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I saw this car crash in the guy jumped out and shot him and then this other guy ran and then the tree fell down and then got it came out. [SPEAKER_01]: You're acting as a journalist reflecting back to facts. [SPEAKER_01]: You're an eyewitness. [SPEAKER_01]: That's an act of journalism. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a journalist? [SPEAKER_01]: How about we not? [SPEAKER_01]: You're probably a witness. [SPEAKER_01]: So I can define journalism.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to define what a journalist is because any one of us at any point in our time can be a journalist. [SPEAKER_01]: But what I do want to define is I want vetted factual information. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm prepared of journalists telling me they're going to tell me the truth. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are ten thousand religions on this planet, all of them have their own damn truth. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be happy if you can provide me that did factual information, not alternative facts, not what your opinion is about what the facts are, quit telling me what to think. [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to write an opinion, I label all of my opinions as commentary or opinion. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you want to be a opinion writer, [SPEAKER_01]: At least ten years of experience or enough experience that you know what you're talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not somebody fresh off the Chu Chu who has no clue what they're doing offering a feet of opinion about what's going on in the White House. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: I would love it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd go back to bin back dicking as a journalist and I think this should be he is a former editor at the Washington Post who said at the end of paraphrasing. [SPEAKER_01]: You said at the end of the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your responsibility is not to your boss, it isn't to your editor, it isn't to your friends, it's not even to your career. [SPEAKER_01]: Your responsibility is to the public. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you would remember that when we're in the White House press briefing room or when we're covering events, I feel much better about reporters.

[SPEAKER_01]: The problem in this country is that we have on a national level, six or seven countries that own and operate everything that about ninety to ninety five percent of us see read. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, six or seven companies do that. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: That you have to break up the medium and opleas.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to provide slap suit protection and slap or strategic lawsuits against public participation, which is what Donald Trump did to CBS, right? [SPEAKER_01]: He threatened paramount because he knows what that was a BS lawsuit and it would not have settled for Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_08]: Or as Cole Bear called it last night on air a bribe me took his own help.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just said that if you if what went down Had gone down in a back alley, you would have called a coercion in a bribe, but it happened in court witness by a judge. [SPEAKER_01]: It sent it's legal. [SPEAKER_01]: It's still what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a bribe to Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_01]: So he would not so Sherry Redstone could sell off, you know, Paramount. [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: That you need strategic lawsuits against public participation protection.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need to bust up the media monopolies. [SPEAKER_01]: And here's something else. [SPEAKER_01]: There are forty five percent of the county. [SPEAKER_01]: This is by a study done at the University of Chicago. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a medial school journalism done by Paul Perry former writer at the Washington Post. [SPEAKER_01]: You're working five percent of the counties in the United States. [SPEAKER_01]: Do not have local news coverage. [SPEAKER_08]: Any more?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Those, there are vast news deserts, where there's no community journalism. [SPEAKER_01]: In those counties, Donald Trump in the last election, one, ninety-one percent of them. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And in some cases, by a landslide. [SPEAKER_01]: We need tax protection for small businesses, tax incentives, you need low interest loans, you need public support.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have testified in legislatures across this country about protecting those small community papers by making sure that you have public service notices, public service ads, that they've all tried to eliminate and put on government [SPEAKER_01]: websites and need them to be provided by a third party source. [SPEAKER_01]: That's us. [SPEAKER_01]: So we can go in and hack and change everything. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we know to find you. [SPEAKER_01]: No, you didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your stuff online. [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing this. [SPEAKER_08]: They're doing the exact same thing with the climate stuff that they are legally required to put out now and saying it's supposed to be. [SPEAKER_08]: And they go, well, whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: We're not going. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to break the last problem. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and we need newspapers. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have the Internet.

[SPEAKER_01]: But newspapers and here's how I've testified in legislators and reports on that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll pick up an eighteen fifty five first edition Montgomery County Sentinel and hold it up and you know he was managing that while was the executive editor for a small newspaper group for about ten years and I would hold up a copy of that newspaper and go this has not changed since eighteen fifty five it's fine and in a court of law this is final.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I can go online and change anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I've published. [SPEAKER_01]: You can hack into it and change the words. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a femoral. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it does not pass mustard in a court of law. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: You need the printed word. [SPEAKER_01]: And that is important to the value and the viability of a democracy. [SPEAKER_01]: And we do not support it every president since Ronald Reagan.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he started it, by the way. [SPEAKER_01]: We got Donald Trump because of Ronald Reagan. [SPEAKER_01]: And that Ronald Reagan is a hero as an idiot. [SPEAKER_01]: Donald Trump is what is at the end of the hill that started when Donald Trump when when Reagan rolled that rock down the hill. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you passed by Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to bust up the medium and off least reinstitute the guidelines that make sure that you limit ownership, so there are more owners. [SPEAKER_01]: and their diversity of owners and you need to support local community journalism. [SPEAKER_01]: And that will help save the democracy because there are more ons out there who just simply turn into their favorite channel and go, well, I said it there, it must be right. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: You and I agree far more than we disagree. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's [SPEAKER_08]: that's one of the reasons it's not just because we agree it's because of the fact that why we agree all the reasons you just said are exactly the reasons why why I firmly believe that it is in the best interest of the news industry to support those kinds of things to support a basic set of standards and practices [SPEAKER_08]: that would help those kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't quantify them though. [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with that is it's like a justice powder said, you know, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't define pornography, but I know what it is when I see it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to define and quantify journalists. [SPEAKER_08]: But if it was, if it was easy, it would have already been done. [SPEAKER_08]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you an example of why it's important though.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here I am in curvil and I'm interviewing a woman who's standing outside of where Donald Trump is appearing. [SPEAKER_01]: She's got a Donald Trump sign and I walked up to her and I said, so do you think the federal government has done a good job in helping out people in curvil because of the flood and she goes [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's been horrible. [SPEAKER_01]: My cousin, her daughter is still missing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's helped find her and my cousin was on the phone with FEMA and nobody would answer the phone blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's going on about how it sucks. [SPEAKER_01]: And I go, well,

[SPEAKER_01]: uh... the president says the government has done a great job and uh... he's happy with what the government has done and she looks to me goes well the president knows best uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, darling. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, look, we definitely, we will get the drink of the day here coming up. [SPEAKER_08]: We will get that out to everybody. [SPEAKER_08]: Brian, for those people who don't know who have yet to subscribe to your podcast, they should, first of all, subscribe. [SPEAKER_08]: You get some great guests on there. [SPEAKER_08]: Who's your favorite guest that you've had? [SPEAKER_08]: I'm saying the last, I don't know, two, three months.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question. [SPEAKER_01]: Norm Eisen is good. [SPEAKER_01]: He was my very first guest the seven years ago and he's always been good on air. [SPEAKER_01]: Sam Donaldson, one of my mentors has been my favorite just to sit down and talk with. [SPEAKER_01]: But Michael Cohen has been good. [SPEAKER_08]: You write a book with him, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate his point of view.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I would go with Sam Donaldson because it's always fun to talk to someone who knows how the game is played and knows what we should be doing. [SPEAKER_01]: And he said something to me long ago that I still carry with me. [SPEAKER_01]: He said, Brian, I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: He said, nobody's lied to me like Trump has, but he said, I do not fault. [SPEAKER_01]: the president or an administration for trying to put their best foot forward. [SPEAKER_01]: That's their job.

[SPEAKER_01]: My job is to find out what's really going on. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that and I've carried that with me and the other one I carry from from him is. [SPEAKER_01]: Sam once said, if I can't hold the people I like, if I can't hold their feet to the fire, I shouldn't be in the White House. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know who I voted for because I treat them all the same. [SPEAKER_01]: And that to me is the mark of a good journal. [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. [SPEAKER_08]: I get that.

[SPEAKER_08]: I get that. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I tend to I tend to be of the school of I would tell people who I voted for and I do.

[SPEAKER_08]: I let them know exactly where I am how far if you're looking at the left right binary exactly where I sit on that so that they can judge based on their position relative to mine what they think but I think that the thought process behind it is the same kind of thing which is you know whether whether you don't tell anybody where you're at or whether you tell them exactly where they're at so that they know

[SPEAKER_08]: It's all in the service of trying to get out to people so that they can trust the information that you're giving to them as a member of the news media. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I firmly, you know, the secret ballot, I've never told anybody how I voted and as Sam said, you may be surprised who I voted for in the past, maybe not, but at the end of the day, [SPEAKER_01]: It's vetted factual information and holding people's feet to the fire.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't do that, you shouldn't be a member of the press. [SPEAKER_08]: I agree. [SPEAKER_08]: Amen. [SPEAKER_08]: Amen. [SPEAKER_08]: Brian, thank you so freaking much for coming, man. [SPEAKER_08]: This is this is exactly why we wanted you in here is to talk about the media to get people kind of in a headspace of understanding a little bit more being being able to trust a little bit more. [SPEAKER_08]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can join me on sub-stack, too. [SPEAKER_01]: Brian, here for four years, no book. [SPEAKER_08]: there you go by Karen reporters notebook it is on sub-stack you can listen to just ask the question subscribe to that as well and then hopefully Brian and Lonnie will be able to you know do it a rock and roll maybe in the L.A. [SPEAKER_08]: corner of the journey we'll figure it out [SPEAKER_08]: Brian, thank you so much for coming here into the politics bar this evening.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, we still have the drink of the day to get you. [SPEAKER_08]: We have more of the news on tap for you. [SPEAKER_08]: And look, we're going to go and answer a couple of your questions. [SPEAKER_08]: Answer a couple of posts from the social media as well. [SPEAKER_08]: Go freshen up your drink. [SPEAKER_08]: Come on back for another round. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a Tuesday night here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_06]: Rockin' roll, good to snow.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Well played well played damn I've heard for some folks I bet they could use a nice breeze today because it's it is the weather. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I get it. [SPEAKER_08]: It's July. [SPEAKER_08]: It's summertime. [SPEAKER_08]: It's supposed to be hot here in the northern hemisphere, but damn [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I heard it was flooding up in New York. [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, flooding flooding in the subways again flooding in New Jersey. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, there.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was it all kind of flood all over the place and yet out west, you know, Arizona. [SPEAKER_08]: They've got this huge wildfires. [SPEAKER_04]: Just a we were very lucky right now because it's in the low eighties and July low eighties doesn't happen. [SPEAKER_08]: No way. [SPEAKER_08]: Low eighties in LA and July. [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: That's been very, very nice of past few days. [SPEAKER_04]: It's been very, very nice. [SPEAKER_08]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So what you're saying is, especially if somebody is maybe in Santa Barbara, they may be getting something like the drink of the day, which is, say, a nice, see breeze. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So look at the day. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Look at you. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so. [SPEAKER_04]: All right, you need a rocks or whiskey glass, you know, whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: A vegetable peeler or a pairing knife to help with, I'll show you in a minute, you need some ice, doggie. [SPEAKER_04]: But the main ingredients are, one and a half ounces of vodka, two and a half ounces of cranberry juice, and now it's a pink grape fruit juice freshly squeezed, and we know how I like pink grape juice. [SPEAKER_04]: It's good. [SPEAKER_04]: An orange and a lime wedge for garners.

[SPEAKER_04]: So what you need to do is you get the, [SPEAKER_04]: You get the clean and you chill the glass that you're going to be drinking your drink out. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Do not use dirty glasses. [SPEAKER_04]: Now please always clean and chilled. [SPEAKER_04]: This is we've been doing a lot of chilled glassware. [SPEAKER_08]: So just chill glasses are better because the drink stays colder longer and the summer you definitely want that. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_04]: So put all the ingredients except for the line into a shaker and then shake until chilled like we've done before. [SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm almost doing a sketch actor. [SPEAKER_04]: Nevermind. [SPEAKER_04]: The strain of the ingredients into the glass and then add the ice cubes after. [SPEAKER_08]: Got it. [SPEAKER_04]: We're free. [SPEAKER_04]: But just do it that way. [SPEAKER_04]: So you use it. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so this is where you need the peeler.

[SPEAKER_08]: Got it. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to do some orange zest shavings, which sounds much more complicated than it is. [SPEAKER_04]: Basically, take your peeler or pairing knife, hold the peeler against the orange and slide it along the surface, exerting a little bit of pressure so that it kind of looks just like a little shavings. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Like a little shavings.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Like if you had a zester, could you use a zester? [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: So you can use a zester as well. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: And so when you just do that, and then you'll [SPEAKER_04]: It's in the drink, and then you just garnish with the lime wedge. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: So it's just, I mean, it's just you're wanting just a bear touch of orange.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Just saying it. [SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's, it's real pretty too when you do it like that. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And you're not in your, I mean, look, if you want a more orange, you'd use quantro. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: There you go. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that is, that is an excellent recipe. [SPEAKER_08]: If you, you know, if you're not quite sure, you didn't quite catch it all.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, you can always subscribe and get the drink of the day. [SPEAKER_08]: Just go to the politicsbar.com and subscribe there. [SPEAKER_08]: There you go. [SPEAKER_08]: All right, we are back to the news on tap. [SPEAKER_08]: We were mentioning before Brian came in the bar here last hour. [SPEAKER_08]: We were talking about how Republicans in Congress. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, they have just been doing some crazy stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: They confirmed Trump's first unqualified right-wing judge today. [SPEAKER_08]: This woman is so insanely in. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, okay, here's more about you are qualified than she is. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we are both more qualified. [SPEAKER_08]: The new judge in question, Judge Herman Dorfer, she is replacing Judge Jane Strange. [SPEAKER_08]: Now, Judge Strange had thirty one years of legal experience before she became a federal judge.

[SPEAKER_08]: Permidorfer, graduated from law school, ten years ago, has six years of legal experience. [SPEAKER_08]: She has never served as a soul or chief counsel in any case, never tried a jury verdict, never served as a solar or chief counsel in any case, tried to final judgment, never personally engage in direct examinations in federal court, never personally engage in cross examinations in federal court, never taken depositions and never defended depositions.

[SPEAKER_04]: So being a lawn order lady from the TV shows, I think I have more experience. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, as a lawn order lawyer, you are more qualified than she is. [SPEAKER_08]: but this is the Trump MAGA Senate. [SPEAKER_08]: This is one of the reasons why we had Brian Kerem in last hour to show you the truth is important. [SPEAKER_08]: And these are the consequences of supporting people who, you know, don't like truth.

[SPEAKER_08]: For example, Donald Trump, not knowing what the hell he's doing with tariffs. [SPEAKER_08]: Sure enough, US inflation accelerated in June. [SPEAKER_08]: Shocker. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: By the way, do you like tomatoes, Joni? [SPEAKER_04]: I do, actually. [SPEAKER_08]: Unfortunately, there's going to be a seventeen percent tariff on Mexican tomatoes. [SPEAKER_08]: Thanks to Trump. [SPEAKER_08]: Unless, of course, he changed it five minutes ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: We never know if taco is going to taco. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: That's that's part of the problem. [SPEAKER_08]: There is a good piece in the news on tap section today at the politics bar.com from Economist and Professor Rebecca Patterson. [SPEAKER_08]: She says if you like thirty five percent inflation, Mr. Trump, go ahead and fire the Fed chief.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's been he's been threatening to fire the Fed chief and bring in somebody who will make the federal interest rate make the interest rate go to one percent. [SPEAKER_08]: It's around four percent right now. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what? [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't he going to leave soon enough anyway? [SPEAKER_08]: He's already set to leave next year. [SPEAKER_08]: But Donald Trump, impatient and stupid, is mad because this big ugly bill that they passed.

[SPEAKER_08]: has, it's adding four trillion to the debt, which of course means that the cost of the United States paying the interest on our debt is skyrocketing. [SPEAKER_08]: So he wants the cost of that interest to go down. [SPEAKER_08]: So instead of doing the right thing by figuring out a way to, I don't know, pay for it. [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no, Republicans just want to fuss with the numbers. [SPEAKER_08]: Then that's what Donald Trump wants to do.

[SPEAKER_08]: Only when he futs us with the numbers, it affects everything that you and I and everybody here in this bar and everybody across the country and everybody across the world end up paying for because he wants to futs with the numbers. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and not only like with tomatoes in particular, here in California, we've got farms that are fruits and vegetables are not getting picked. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're they're rotting and that they're rotting in the fields. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a look. [SPEAKER_08]: That's that's that's that's in the news on tapiday as well. [SPEAKER_08]: Donald Trump's ice has illegally declared millions of undocumented immigrants ineligible for bond hearings. [SPEAKER_08]: That's some BS right there.

[SPEAKER_08]: We are because among other things, it's bond the the procedures that that happened before the bond hearing can take sometimes months or years. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: So what you're saying is that we would hold these people without tactically charging them. [SPEAKER_08]: Which is illegal? [SPEAKER_04]: It's usually with seventy two hours before you have to charge somebody. [SPEAKER_08]: One of the very basic things that we have in our laws here in this country.

[SPEAKER_08]: If you're going to charge them, that's fine. [SPEAKER_08]: But you have to charge them with something first. [SPEAKER_08]: If you hold them and you hold them in communicato, not being able to talk to their lawyers. [SPEAKER_08]: Seriously, that's imprisonment. [SPEAKER_08]: You have kidnapped them at that point. [SPEAKER_08]: That's illegal. [SPEAKER_08]: But I under Trump says, what could do it? [SPEAKER_08]: So if you don't think that story is real, it is.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it doesn't think it has effects. [SPEAKER_08]: One of the other stories that we've got up today. [SPEAKER_08]: So Trump's ice raids are now leaving some cats and dogs homeless. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm sure elsewhere around the country too, but it's a story, believe, from the LA times. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's, I'm like, are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not surprised. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I'm not. [SPEAKER_08]: But it's just, it's not their regular cruelty.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, their regular cruelty is bad enough, but this is stupid cruelty. [SPEAKER_08]: This is is, I mean, and we know there are already stories about kids that are basically being left parentless because they nab their parents and, oh, well, we're not, we don't have to tell them anything. [SPEAKER_08]: And then the kids of course have to find somebody who knows what's going on. [SPEAKER_04]: Who's an adult?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's six, seven year olds, you know, ten, twelve year, whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Mom and dad go off to work. [SPEAKER_08]: They've left the kid with, you know, the daycare person, which is normal. [SPEAKER_08]: And then the daycare person expects mom and dad to come back. [SPEAKER_08]: But mom and dad got mad by ice. [SPEAKER_04]: And what is this person supposed to do? [SPEAKER_04]: Take these children and no. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's it is off the charts. [SPEAKER_08]: Democrats as we know to yesterday have found some file conditions. [SPEAKER_08]: You can read all about the conditions of how to carry it out. [SPEAKER_08]: I'll get your out of the trash. [SPEAKER_08]: We got the story there. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Maxwell Frost had a lot to say last night. [SPEAKER_08]: He did. [SPEAKER_08]: I believe he was on Maddo, wasn't he?

[SPEAKER_08]: He was on Maddo and I think he was on what we were on. [SPEAKER_08]: But I mean, it's, it's, look, I'm glad for, for really good members of Congress like Maxwell Frost. [SPEAKER_08]: He happens to be young, but he is [SPEAKER_08]: Like Brian Carram noted earlier, you know, it's important to have ethics and morals and and keep to a set of rules. [SPEAKER_08]: A Maxwell Frost definitely seems to do that. [SPEAKER_08]: It seems to be pretty pretty straight up.

[SPEAKER_08]: For those of you who, you know, like younger Democrats, there is an election going on tonight. [SPEAKER_08]: By the time you hear this, polls are likely probably already closed in Arizona, but it is special election day in Arizona right now. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a Democratic primary to replace Raul Grhalva. [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, look, I had Role Gralva on, I don't know, how many times over the years different shows.

[SPEAKER_08]: He was always friendly, he was great, but his district is very much, I mean, it's, it's very democratic. [SPEAKER_08]: So the chances are whoever wins the primary is going to win that. [SPEAKER_08]: It's been a three way race. [SPEAKER_08]: It's between Gralva's daughter.

[SPEAKER_08]: uh... day shot fox and uh... uh... got a can't remember his first name her and is he used to be in assistance to uh... gabby gifords help basically save her life uh... all of which look they're all really good democrats they are all definitely willing to to fight uh... Daniel Hernandez that's right uh... he's a former state rep out in Arizona and uh... look i mean that [SPEAKER_08]: Deja Fox has gotten a lot of press because she's a Gen Z influencer kind of like Maxwell Frost.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's she's very young. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, do I think she would do maybe a little bit better if she had run her to local level and then taking a step up possibly. [SPEAKER_08]: But look, we know Kat Abba because hey, La, um, you know, if she wins, she would be the first to, you know, then this would be her first step is is Congress and she's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, [SPEAKER_08]: And just because somebody is young doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot do the job of being in Congress. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, Representative AOC, she was, I mean, a little bit older than them, but she was thirty, something. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Thirty, thirty, two, someone from she first started. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, it's it's okay to be, you know, looking at some of those.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we have a whole section today in our news on tap, uh, section at the politics bar.com talking about the special election Arizona about the election going on in New York City. [SPEAKER_08]: Teachers union by the way, the AFT is now backing, uh, Men Dammy for lawyer. [SPEAKER_08]: Good. [SPEAKER_08]: They have decided, you know what, he's a Democratic candidate. [SPEAKER_08]: We back to Democratic candidate. [SPEAKER_08]: We're going with him.

[SPEAKER_08]: Virginia, here where I'm at in the Virginia DC Metro area of the bar. [SPEAKER_08]: Spanberger has a seventeen point lead over her Republican opponent. [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. [SPEAKER_08]: Do not rest on that. [SPEAKER_08]: Virginia. [SPEAKER_04]: No, don't ever know. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: It's Bob Suska says. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: There are a lot of political races going on.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, don't think that races just happen in, I know this bothers you, Jodie. [SPEAKER_08]: We don't call them off years because elections happen all the time. [SPEAKER_08]: Let's just say today in Arizona. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, make sure you're informed and vote accordingly. [SPEAKER_08]: There you go. [SPEAKER_08]: We will talk more about the news on tap. [SPEAKER_08]: Got a little response here off of Facebook. [SPEAKER_08]: We got to get to that as well.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a busy Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_08]: I need to get myself a drink. [SPEAKER_04]: You got yourself a drink, Jodie. [SPEAKER_04]: I got myself some [SPEAKER_04]: Some non-alcoholic drinks, but yes. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, you can get a non-alcoholic drink, or you can alcohol drink, or whatever it is, just freshen your drink and come on back for another round Tuesday night with me and Jody here at the politics bar.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, we, we have had a bunch of people who have been interacting with us quite a bit lately on the social media, which is good. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, you can always interact with us on our social media. [SPEAKER_08]: Just go to at the politics bar on all your favorites, whether it is threads, blue sky or Twitter or Instagram, whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: we're at all those particular places.

[SPEAKER_08]: I am looking up here because there is a gentleman who we mentioned in yesterday and he's back forth said that Tom, Stanley, who said that you were wrong and then he admitted that no, he was wrong and then, you know, that's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: It was a very strange conversation he had in his head.

[SPEAKER_08]: kind of kind of look look uh... he's he's he's a good guy we don't we don't mind we don't we don't we don't we don't we don't but um... uh... let's see here he did say that he would like all u.s. [SPEAKER_08]: territories to be granted electoral college votes for president and he agrees with us that the district of Columbia should definitely have two u.s.

[SPEAKER_08]: senators so i will it completely agree with him on all of that say look at that all kinds of people can agree here at the politics bar [SPEAKER_08]: Just a nice one. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, if you'll free to leave your comments and messages there as well, because we do appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It's still going. [SPEAKER_04]: It is. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's can shake it. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he is either, and I think. [SPEAKER_08]: I think there are a couple of different takes on this that I think kind of help people understand where they're at and we included both of these in the news on tap at the politics bar.com today. [SPEAKER_08]: Paul Waldman, great, great journalist, great writer, used to write with great sergeant at the Washington Post.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then Amanda Markot, who she's been doing stuff for years. [SPEAKER_08]: And they both have different takes on this. [SPEAKER_08]: You read both pieces? [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: What do you think of Waldman's take about part of the reason that they're so mad is that Magha feels betrayed? [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think Magha does feel betrayed. [SPEAKER_04]: And Donna is protesting too much. [SPEAKER_08]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_04]: If he would just say, I'm, you know, whatever release it, I don't care, then nobody would care. [SPEAKER_08]: If they came up with a singular answer, I think Brian Caram was saying something like that last hour or two, the if as long as they came up with a singular answer. [SPEAKER_08]: But they have multiple different answers.

[SPEAKER_08]: Even even I remember this Brian was saying this that Trump said don't talk about him and then mentioned his mentioned Epstein's name like six times or something. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and the Lara Trump is going we need to be more transfer. [SPEAKER_04]: Lara Trump is like going against her father in law right now. [SPEAKER_08]: Right, they're all over the place in Magdalene and I get it. [SPEAKER_08]: They are, they do feel betrayed.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think part of that goes to the, the position that Amanda Markop put out, which is, Magan needs the Epstein files. [SPEAKER_04]: They want to be the heroes and not. [SPEAKER_04]: They know how bad they are. [SPEAKER_08]: They know how bad they are by citing with somebody like Donald Trump for all of the awful things that he's done. [SPEAKER_08]: And they may not think all of the things that he's done are bad, but they think a lot of them are bad.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: But they think that. [SPEAKER_08]: or they thought that Donald Trump was going to go after the basically the biggest head of the pedophile, biggest pedophile ring that they thought existed. [SPEAKER_08]: Like the chief bad guy, if you will, if you think of it as a video game. [SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, yes, pedophiles are awful.

[SPEAKER_08]: And if you think there's a pedophile ring, then yes, you would want to go after the person who is controlling the randomly. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_08]: I can understand that, too. [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, I get that they figure if we take down that person who is just so awful, well, then we'll be the hero because, you know, it isn't that great.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I get that except for the fact that it's all been built online and pedophiles are it's, it's [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of like the idea most most people who are sexually assaulted or sexually assaulted by somebody that they know. [SPEAKER_08]: It's not the most most abductions of kids are abductions I believe from a parent or a family member that they know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: The the boogie man idea that it's a a somebody else out there that's especially if it's a foreigner. [SPEAKER_08]: That somebody you don't know is going to. [SPEAKER_08]: The percentage of that happening is so small as to be. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's not negligible to the people that it happens to, but it is statistically almost negligible. [SPEAKER_08]: These things happen because they happen because of people that the victims know. [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, stranger danger happens, but it's not. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: So the idea that if you take down even if there was the world's biggest pedophile ring and you took down the pedophile the top, that's still not going to stop. [SPEAKER_08]: Some uncle out there doing horrendous things to his nieces and effus.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, and if you take, if you take the reports about Jeffrey Epstein, people trusted him, they trusted Gillane, who, um, hopefully she's in protective custody at this point, because she wants to testify. [SPEAKER_08]: I have heard that. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I have heard that she wants to testify. [SPEAKER_08]: And [SPEAKER_08]: Even if it came out, even if these things came out, there are all the hurdles that we've talked about.

[SPEAKER_08]: The fact that many of the people can't be protected, even if there was a list that came out. [SPEAKER_08]: So let's say somebody releases a list. [SPEAKER_08]: It is going to have to be parsed in a very specific way. [SPEAKER_08]: So as not to purposely damage anybody who is on the list. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, we have the flight logs. [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's implications with who is on the flight logs. [SPEAKER_08]: We have all of that information already a lot of that.

[SPEAKER_08]: If somebody wants to make up a list, I'm sure somebody has already made up a list of all the different people who are on the planes and that's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, and if I were giggling, um, I would be on the phone with, you know, somebody from ABC, CBS, NBC to do an interview.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because if they won't let her testify in Congress, she still has a free speech right to be, I would be on the phone with my lawyer going, let's figure it out, figure it out so that my testimony gets out there. [SPEAKER_04]: before she gets abstained. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, potentially. [SPEAKER_08]: We would hope that would not happen. [SPEAKER_04]: I hope it does not, because I mean, I'm glad she's in prison. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: I am.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's very glad that she's in prison because of what she did. [SPEAKER_08]: Justice. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: What she did is a ability. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: That's called accountability. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that there will ever ever actually be justice. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that there will ever actually be justice. [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, I know for some of those at least one of victims I know who killed herself.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, there won't be justice, but there is accountability. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe we should when when we eventually clean all of this up, we should change it to the Department of Accountability and Alpha Department of Justice because maybe justice is the wrong word. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, all I know is like, Prince Andrew is not going to ever get. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: And some of these things won't.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's, but at the same time, let's just take them out as if they're word and say, OK, fine. [SPEAKER_08]: Let's imagine you're correct. [SPEAKER_08]: And there's a great pig go ball and you get the big batty at the top. [SPEAKER_08]: Is that going to prevent these kinds of things from happening in the answer is no. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_08]: So when you take all of that away, [SPEAKER_08]: What does that leave you with?

[SPEAKER_08]: That leaves you with, you are a group of people who were lied to, over and over and over and over again. [SPEAKER_08]: And some of you, some of you in my world knew you were being lied to. [SPEAKER_08]: And you went along with it anyway. [SPEAKER_08]: for this slight chance that maybe you would be able to get the big baddie and that would change things. [SPEAKER_08]: And the fact is you're not gonna get the big baddie and it's not gonna change things.

[SPEAKER_08]: So now you have to deal with the fact that you were a sucker. [SPEAKER_08]: You have to deal with that fact. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, you know, great. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not saying you can never again make any decisions.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I have been angry and said things like that before, but I'm, you know, the truth of the matter is is that if you're a citizen and you have the right to vote, you should vote, but you should be intelligent about it for God's sake, be informed with actual facts. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the thing with this whole Epstein thing is that they really want your Tom Hanks's, your Bill Clinton's, that's who the maga is after.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if that was the case, if it were Bill Clinton, or Tom Hanks, or Barack Obama, which would never be him, because squeaky clean, or Joe Biden, which is never mentioned. [SPEAKER_04]: Donald is the one protesting too much. [SPEAKER_08]: There are a lot, there are a lot of Democrats who are saying, I mean, a lot of Democrats in Congress saying, no push, you know, get to get the list.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Some of those Democrats in Congress, though, I think what some of them are doing is the harder edge version of what I am just doing now, which is to say, [SPEAKER_08]: I think people want MAGA. [SPEAKER_08]: I think good people want MAGA folks to understand to break mentally and say we get it. [SPEAKER_08]: We get your anger at the way that that your people have been treated for fifty years about how corporate America has screwed you and screwed all of us over.

[SPEAKER_08]: We get the anger. [SPEAKER_08]: We get the frustration. [SPEAKER_08]: But that said, you never make any good decisions in anger. [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody ever does. [SPEAKER_08]: So stop the anger, look at the facts, get the actual facts. [SPEAKER_08]: And the actual facts are, okay, let's, let's look at who was trying to make your lives better.

[SPEAKER_08]: Let's look at who was trying to make the economy better on a sustainable long term, who was trying to make things not so hot, make, you know, see if we maybe we could do things to reduce or pull back a little bit of climate change. [SPEAKER_08]: See, maybe who was trying to get a little bit more money in your pocket?

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it certainly wasn't for example the Republican governor in Missouri and the Republican legislature in Missouri who just overwrote the the the people of the state I think it was what seventy one percent they passed a wage increase and nope the Republicans said nope you gotta look Dispassionately and who is trying to help you and who is trying to hurt you? [SPEAKER_08]: And the people who've been trying to help again, and again, and again, and again, imperfect as they are.

[SPEAKER_08]: I do not think that any Democrat is perfect. [SPEAKER_08]: I do not think Barack Obama or Joe Biden is perfect. [SPEAKER_08]: I do not think Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris is perfect, but I damn sure wanted to vote for them. [SPEAKER_08]: And I did. [SPEAKER_08]: Because I knew that they and the people that they surround themselves with would be better at governing [SPEAKER_08]: That's the thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: When you go to the polls, folks, you're choosing somebody to run the machinery that is government. [SPEAKER_08]: And the machinery that is government is, it's a monstrous machine. [SPEAKER_08]: It's clunky. [SPEAKER_08]: It is. [SPEAKER_08]: It is extremely clunky in part because it's a couple hundred years old. [SPEAKER_08]: And we keep modifying it and trying to improve it, trying to perfect it, shall we say? [SPEAKER_08]: And that's the goal.

[SPEAKER_08]: Try to make a more perfect union, try to get it more perfect, not finally perfect, but more perfect. [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's why I've always, that's why when Reagan said where the government were here to help or the nine worst words or whatever, it's like, dude, why are you running to be in government if you don't believe in, it's like saying, I'm voting for the plumber that doesn't believe in plumbing. [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: or the omniscient electrician that we've joked about. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like I will never understand people voting for the Michelle Bachmans or the Ronald Reagan's who say government is bad, but please elect me to be and said the bad thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's, you gotta vote for people who have your best interests in mind. [SPEAKER_04]: And also believe in believe in the government doing good.

[SPEAKER_08]: And believe in in people look, there are a whole lot of people in our foreign services who [SPEAKER_08]: don't their politics does not map onto our politics they are more involved in whatever nation that they are you know got got their head halfway in but they're all kinds of people across the ideological spectrum who told Donald Trump for a long time that Vladimir Putin was trying to put one over on him was trying to screw him over he finally realized it

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, I think he might have. [SPEAKER_08]: I hope he did. [SPEAKER_08]: I hope that Donald Trump is starting to realize that Vladimir Putin is trying to screw him over, especially with respect to Ukraine. [SPEAKER_08]: I hope so. [SPEAKER_08]: Do I, does that mean that I'm a Donald Trump supporter? [SPEAKER_08]: No. [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't want Vladimir Putin to defeat Ukraine and go running through Europe.

[SPEAKER_08]: I, I would like that to be stopped and I know that our weapons and our support of Ukraine is really the only thing that can stop it. [SPEAKER_08]: It is. [SPEAKER_08]: So that's, you know, and that means that Dom Trump has the list of some people. [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't necessarily agree with on other things. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Call me crazy. [SPEAKER_08]: That's kind of how this works. [SPEAKER_08]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have all kinds of crazy ideas. [SPEAKER_08]: If you'd like, you know, we can expound on them a little bit more in the next segment. [SPEAKER_08]: Things like, you know, water being wet and fire being hot? [SPEAKER_08]: What? [SPEAKER_08]: What? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, I got some for you. [SPEAKER_04]: There's gambling in Las Vegas. [SPEAKER_08]: No. [SPEAKER_08]: And Casablanca too, I hear. [SPEAKER_08]: That's what I heard.

[SPEAKER_08]: We do have one more round here at the politics bar on a Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_08]: Fresh in up your drink, come back, hang out with us. [SPEAKER_08]: We got some good entertainment news to get to. [SPEAKER_08]: So, what look? [SPEAKER_08]: Get your drink, make a nice top of it off, come back. [SPEAKER_08]: Hang on. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_08]: Last call tonight's Tuesday night here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: You're hanging out with the one and only Joe de Hamilton and me Sean Smith here's Hopefully you are now a little bit more calm a little bit more informed Hopefully you caught Brian Keram in the first hour on the show so if you missed it. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, if you missed it. [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, look, it's why we got the podcast available go to your favorite podcast player and type in the politics bar and you'll find us there [SPEAKER_08]: All righty some entertainment news.

[SPEAKER_08]: The Major League ball, Major League Baseball all started game is going on. [SPEAKER_08]: Do not tell us what's going on with it because I know it's going on. [SPEAKER_04]: They're hitting the balls into the basket and running around near the net to throw. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they actually last night Seattle Mariners, Cal Rally won the two thousand twenty five MLB home run Derby. [SPEAKER_08]: He's the first catcher to win that honor.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nice. [SPEAKER_08]: But there's also something else that's going on literally probably as we're talking right now. [SPEAKER_08]: MLB, I think we were talking about this last week with Wimbledon where they have the automated, they have the laser lines and stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: They have tried this in the minor leagues, they tried it in Springball in Florida and Arizona and they're using it at the All-Star game. [SPEAKER_08]: It's an automated system that calls balls and strikes.

[SPEAKER_08]: They've got, they've got these cameras. [SPEAKER_08]: They're, they're the super high speed cameras. [SPEAKER_08]: The ones that basically are taking like, uh, thousand or two thousand shots, uh, second or something. [SPEAKER_08]: Just these insanely high speed cameras all over the park. [SPEAKER_08]: They've got laser lines that you can't see. [SPEAKER_08]: They adjust them for each batter. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's, that's what, what umpires are supposed to do.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then the system. [SPEAKER_08]: within like two tenths of an inch or something like that, calls it and it tells the Empire what it's supposed to be. [SPEAKER_08]: Now the Empire, the Empire can overrun it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right, but at the same time, if the player, the catcher or the pitcher thinks the Empire was wrong,

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[SPEAKER_08]: if only. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because it's like, look, if you suck that bad, if you suck so bad that your colleagues are saying, I'm sorry, but you should not be allowed to be doing this. [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, so to my hour, Jackson. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we have a few. [SPEAKER_08]: They would love to be able to call the balls and strikes that are not balls and strikes by the right wing idiots on the Supreme Court. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm, look, I am all for accountability and ethics. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm glad Major League Baseball is doing this. [SPEAKER_08]: I just think that they need to take a little bit further so that the people who have that kind of a power are never too far away from feeling the heat, feeling the weight of the power that they have. [SPEAKER_08]: Because you have that much power, you should definitely always be feeling the responsibility to go with it. [SPEAKER_04]: I think most on piers do.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think some do I think there there are certain umpires who you could ask Keith overman and I guarantee you I'm sure he would get me in here. [SPEAKER_08]: He would give you a list he would give you a list of probably off the top of his head the top five worst umpires in baseball either currently or all time. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I'm sure he knows I'm guaranteed he could do it just just like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: either by year or by alphabetical he would know oh in any one of these different ways yeah and the fact is that if you if you then asked other major league baseball players or coaches whatever they would probably agree with somebody like older men who look some of these empires just suck they they shouldn't be doing the job some of these judges out there just suck shouldn't be doing their jobs this is some of the journalists out there suck

[SPEAKER_08]: If they want to put out a blog, that's fine, but it shouldn't be allowed to be called news. [SPEAKER_04]: See where I'm going with this there. [SPEAKER_04]: I see you're going to hold a little trend right now. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, look, that's we name the news today. [SPEAKER_08]: We title the news truth and consequences for a reason. [SPEAKER_08]: I firmly believe truth and consequences is not just a town in Arizona.

[SPEAKER_04]: It also should be the way that we operate for a game show back in the fifties or six. [SPEAKER_04]: True. [SPEAKER_04]: true that was a game show back although um did your dad ever produce that one no he never did game shows just uh he did the smother's brother show right the Gary Moore show the Carol Burnett share over that was a play that was a fantastic show he did well on that he had twenty two Emmy nominations [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hey, speaking, which, I mean, nominations came out. [SPEAKER_04]: See, look at that segue. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, I just, I kind of underhanded that one right there, just right down in the middle and you knocked out the park. [SPEAKER_08]: So there we go. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I mean, nominations came out severance leads all shows with twenty seven nominations show in the studio white lotus. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, lot of different ones.

[SPEAKER_08]: Big note, uh, RuPaul shattered the Emmy record becomes the most nominated host in. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I love that about RuPaul. [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I love RuPaul. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I, I love RuPaul. [SPEAKER_08]: I love what RuPaul has done for America as a whole because I think I think because of drag race and because of RuPaul in general and all of the things they've done, I think that it's [SPEAKER_08]: It makes people feel a lot more comfortable with drag queens.

[SPEAKER_04]: The gaze. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: I would like them to do a little more with drag kings, but whatever that's fine too. [SPEAKER_08]: But I mean, I just think the LGBTQ community and the majority of the United States has benefited from RuPaul being part of our culture. [SPEAKER_08]: And from Drag Race and all of its spin-offs and things being part of the culture, because people are now, they're like, yeah, Drag Queen, most people.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, there are still the freaks here. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god, Drag Queen, they're reading the kids. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And so, kids read the dogs. [SPEAKER_08]: So, I mean, it's nothing big, guys. [SPEAKER_08]: Gee, anyway. [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway. [SPEAKER_08]: But you can see the full list of eminominations if you want. [SPEAKER_08]: We've got that news on tap at the polls. [SPEAKER_04]: And by the way, did you ever watch the Penguin?

[SPEAKER_08]: That is one show I have not seen. [SPEAKER_08]: Much so good. [SPEAKER_08]: I have I have a limited amount of time. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't get to watch nearly as much as I would like. [SPEAKER_04]: I used to just when I would before going to work at Stephanie's be on my bike, my stationary bike, and I would watch the penguin at like, you know, one thirty in the morning. [SPEAKER_04]: And mark my words.

[SPEAKER_08]: One thing in the morning, I'm sleeping unless my dog waits for my ass. [SPEAKER_04]: No, what's his face? [SPEAKER_04]: Irish actor whose name is Colin Ferrell. [SPEAKER_04]: Please the penguin. [SPEAKER_04]: And [SPEAKER_04]: you would never know. [SPEAKER_04]: It was. [SPEAKER_04]: Confer. [SPEAKER_04]: Confer was good and pretty much everything. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, he's just his prosthetics that they have on him and all of this that he.

[SPEAKER_04]: I did not realize it was him until like two episodes and I'm like, that is so sort of because every now and then the Irish would come in. [SPEAKER_04]: A scoosh because his accents are amazing. [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that whole series and what that's what I want so many nominations and several and also one of my favorite shows. [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, yep, very good.

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, something else entertainment news, Beyonce's choreographer says that she has unreleased music that was stolen. [SPEAKER_04]: That's terrible. [SPEAKER_08]: Some tour information too. [SPEAKER_08]: It is awful, but it's one of those things where especially because of now so much of the stuff being online as far as music and Shazam and all of those type of things that they go along with it.

[SPEAKER_08]: The minute that somebody drops that unreleased music somewhere, [SPEAKER_08]: They will be able to track exactly what computer wasn't exactly who the person is. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they are. [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be addressing all that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm sitting there. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, say you's a VPN. [SPEAKER_08]: Even if they use a VPN, there are ways. [SPEAKER_08]: And this is that that person is not going to get away with it.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I'm like, just what a dumb ass. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Why would you do that? [SPEAKER_04]: It's the queen. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not. [SPEAKER_08]: I would not steal from Beyonce. [SPEAKER_08]: I would never think to steal from Beyonce. [SPEAKER_08]: She's freaking Beyonce. [SPEAKER_08]: Are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_08]: She's a queen. [SPEAKER_08]: Besides that, [SPEAKER_08]: Have you ever heard about happened?

[SPEAKER_08]: She makes, when she gets mad and that's, folks, that's like making Jodi mad. [SPEAKER_08]: I would not want to make Jodi mad. [SPEAKER_08]: I would not want to make the on say mad. [SPEAKER_08]: These are things that anybody with a brain would not want to do. [SPEAKER_08]: Just say. [SPEAKER_08]: Also, one, one more good note in the entertainment field, WNBA, the new expansion team from Portland. [SPEAKER_08]: Portland had a WNBA team about twenty five years ago.

[SPEAKER_08]: They were called the Portland Fire and the new Portland WNBA team is going to be called. [SPEAKER_08]: The Portland fire bring the same back they're bringing back I guess versions of the new modified versions of the graphics so that should be Yeah, I should be kind of fun.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's that should be one of those things around like yeah, we could we could bots that we could watch that I know that that's [SPEAKER_08]: Some people are looking at the Epstein thing as kind of entertainment. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm still not. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not entertainment to me. [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's Potentially. [SPEAKER_08]: Some people are thinking of it. [SPEAKER_08]: They're like, oh, we get the popcorn. [SPEAKER_08]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_08]: Watching magas get mad.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, there's that. [SPEAKER_04]: But to me, it's more Donald, as I said earlier, Darth protest too much, which means he knows that there is evidence that he could probably be prosecuted for. [SPEAKER_04]: I think if he were just on logs, he wouldn't care. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, honestly, I don't. [SPEAKER_04]: We know he's on the flight logs. [SPEAKER_04]: We know that. [SPEAKER_04]: We have videos and pictures of him with Jeffrey Epstein.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Bob Suska mentioned it today on his show. [SPEAKER_04]: He goes, have you ever seen Donna look happier than watching him dance with Jeffrey Epstein? [SPEAKER_08]: Probably not. [SPEAKER_08]: Come to think of it. [SPEAKER_08]: This is true. [SPEAKER_04]: Think about what Jeffrey Epstein was offering him. [SPEAKER_08]: No, this is true. [SPEAKER_08]: And what they were surrounded by in that video footage we've all seen with all the young women. [SPEAKER_08]: It's possible.

[SPEAKER_08]: I, I just, I do not think that anything is going to come out. [SPEAKER_04]: I agree. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we will, I mean, we might be old people before we find out this. [SPEAKER_08]: We might be long gone before anybody finds out. [SPEAKER_08]: And my whole thing is even if we found out, I don't think they'd be able to successfully prosecute anybody. [SPEAKER_08]: And more importantly, as I've been saying for the whole time, does that put a dime in your pocket?

[SPEAKER_08]: I know. [SPEAKER_08]: I know Malcolm Nance is very much in the same corner on it. [SPEAKER_08]: Does it put a dime in your pocket? [SPEAKER_08]: Does it, you know, help keep the price of groceries lowered? [SPEAKER_08]: Does it help our friends in Ukraine fight their war with Putin? [SPEAKER_04]: It could get him out of office though. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but that would be stuck with the, you know, uh, Jayney doesn't have the kind of pull that Donald knows. [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then, and then it would be another kind of chaos. [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm just going, it's not a magic bullet solution. [SPEAKER_08]: And I really think that's part of what the MAGA folks that they, they thought getting the, you know, getting the Epstein list and getting the chief pedophile would be some type of magic bullet solution.

[SPEAKER_08]: When you're dealing with things like the government, [SPEAKER_08]: Like we mentioned earlier, how complicated a machine it is, there are no magic bullet solutions.

[SPEAKER_08]: When somebody comes up to you and says, if you just simply do, oh God, the number of things that I have seen over the years, was supposed to help list where they're trying to help you with some computer thing or somebody says, and you see a video and somebody says, if you just simply do, never, ever, ever use that phrase. [SPEAKER_08]: If you just simply do, [SPEAKER_08]: because it ain't simple.

[SPEAKER_08]: If it's to the point where I'm working on trying to solve a problem, it ain't simple. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Especially when you're dealing with a problem that is as complicated as issues within our government, whether it's your local government, whether it's your state government, whether it's your federal government, it's not going to be a simple solution. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, I agree, but I do think that that Donnie knows what he did.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, he knows he's done some stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: I think I think there's a whole bunch of stuff in his life that he knows that if the courts were fair, that his ass would already be locked up. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, we know what he said about his own daughter. [SPEAKER_08]: So January six, I mean, you know, let's, let's be honest, if the courts were fair, his ass would already locked up.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's why he's, you know, Bolsonaro and, you know, I'm, I'm trying to protect him and all that crap because, I mean, that, that to me is a huge signal of his guilt with the insurrection. [SPEAKER_08]: But he knows are other things and I'm sure maybe some of them were involved with Jeffrey Epstein, but I think there is proof of it and I think that's why he's scared. [SPEAKER_08]: But I also want to go even if there was. [SPEAKER_08]: This would have to do anything.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: Pam Bonnie, please. [SPEAKER_08]: My Brian Carram said earlier. [SPEAKER_08]: He said, Pam Bonnie had a chance to get Epstein when she was in Florida. [SPEAKER_08]: She did and she didn't. [SPEAKER_08]: She did not. [SPEAKER_04]: She had a shot and I think Donald helped with that. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think so too. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a position on my part, but that's the job. [SPEAKER_08]: I agree. [SPEAKER_08]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, we put ideas out there. [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, we've got some great people coming in tomorrow. [SPEAKER_08]: We've got both root-punded and Bob Ceska here at the bar. [SPEAKER_08]: We got John Fugosan coming in later in the week. [SPEAKER_08]: Look, it is Tuesday nights. [SPEAKER_08]: Get yourself home safely, and we will see you back here tomorrow night. [SPEAKER_08]: But Jody Hamilton and me shots and it appears here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: Have yourself a good night. [SPEAKER_08]: We'll see you tomorrow.