Community VS Cankles July 22, 2025

[SPEAKER_00]: It's political. [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, radical. [SPEAKER_09]: It's been a day and a half in a year. [SPEAKER_05]: It's been a day and a half in a day. [SPEAKER_05]: There has been a blizzard of news out there. [SPEAKER_05]: Some of it good, some of it bad, some of it sad. [SPEAKER_05]: It always helps when we have friends and neighbors coming in to help us on a day like this. [SPEAKER_05]: And we happen to have one of the best.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's one of the people who happens to be one of our affiliates. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard Chu will be here in momentarily. [SPEAKER_05]: I think he might be the parking lot here. [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, then we've got Alice and Gill coming in a little bit later, who will recap the piece that we put in the homework history. [SPEAKER_05]: We put it actually in the news on tap today as well.

[SPEAKER_05]: She's got some info on the Epstein thing, which we are not going to focus strictly on the Epstein thing, because there is so much more in a life than just Epstein. [SPEAKER_05]: I realized I know that is an anthem, it's most of the people in the news right now, Jodie. [SPEAKER_09]: But according to Epstein's mother, he's very important. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, according to his mother and his family probably should be the rest of the world probably shouldn't care about him.

[SPEAKER_09]: I went full sweat hogs on you just now. [SPEAKER_05]: I know I tried to avoid it because then we'd get off on a different tangent. [SPEAKER_05]: We've got so much to deal with today. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, one of big thanks by the way to all of our affiliates. [SPEAKER_05]: Progressive voices wherever you happen to be, or detour talk radio, maybe you're down the Tri-City's area of Tennessee, or America one radio in Atlanta, or AM-Nine fifty Minneapolis Saint Paul.

[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, the great WCPTA M-A-Twenty Chicago. [SPEAKER_05]: That is the home of Richard Chu who happens to be coming in the bar right now with me. [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are hilarious. [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_05]: You like the Martin Richard. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think we don't have a pretty good job with it. [SPEAKER_01]: I do. [SPEAKER_01]: You've done a great job and I'd like to place an order for, let's see, maybe a, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't drink that much. [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't. [SPEAKER_05]: That's the best part about having a virtual bar is you can have any beer and drink and maybe maybe something from an aqua brewing. [SPEAKER_05]: That's entirely. [SPEAKER_05]: Or my cat. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, like Joe these cat is roaming around the bar, so you know that helps too. [SPEAKER_01]: there you go. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that, uh, given the craziness that our country is in right now, I have a bloody Mary.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about that? [SPEAKER_09]: Those are very yummy. [SPEAKER_09]: And I make a damn good bloody Mary by the way. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm willing to be with Mary. [SPEAKER_05]: We could all use a drink right now, Richard. [SPEAKER_05]: It is it is absolutely insane. [SPEAKER_05]: There's so much just in the news today. [SPEAKER_05]: This is just hitting not even the headlines.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is just the categories of headlines that we've got at the news on tap at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: Check this. [SPEAKER_05]: We've got, of course, the distraction and deflection with the abstain stuff. [SPEAKER_05]: And there's been news on that. [SPEAKER_05]: Trump's economy, the economy has started to tip down. [SPEAKER_05]: It's not good or [SPEAKER_05]: tip up in the wrong way. [SPEAKER_05]: The immigration wars are going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's some good news there. [SPEAKER_05]: There is attacks in the war in education, the war on government, climate issues, foreign affairs, some entertainment stuff, and then the loss of two greats, Malcolm Jamal Warner, and the second afternoon Aussie Osborne. [SPEAKER_05]: That's just today. [SPEAKER_01]: That's just today. [SPEAKER_05]: You do the mornings at WCPT. [SPEAKER_05]: I know I was listening this morning.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think you had the Alderman in this morning and a couple of years. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of good people. [SPEAKER_05]: We know how we deal with it. [SPEAKER_05]: How do you deal with it? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, I give a lot of credit to us as a team. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean just CPT, but us as progressive liberal Democrats, that doing everything we can to uplift each other and support each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would say something also about a little bit of lineage. [SPEAKER_01]: Jody and I have parents who were old school. [SPEAKER_01]: They worked hard and they [SPEAKER_01]: put the time in and they made it clear that there was some greatness on the other side of that. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jody's mom is legendary or father's legendary. [SPEAKER_01]: My mother father were hardworking folks and they kind of laid a path for us. [SPEAKER_01]: to fight.

[SPEAKER_01]: My mother and father were civil rights activists, elbows deep, and they both deceased my mom died. [SPEAKER_01]: My dad died about twenty years ago, my mom died six years ago. [SPEAKER_01]: The reason I'm saying it that way, and my oldest, my two sisters, I'm the youngest of three. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: My oldest sister is still alive. [SPEAKER_01]: She's seventy five. [SPEAKER_01]: Great life, great lady, former military her husband, former Marine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, my other sister, my younger, my two oldest sister, passed away a couple years ago. [SPEAKER_01]: The point I'm making is, when we find the connections that we have, [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to look very far and we find that's where a lot of our strength comes from. [SPEAKER_01]: Joining in I have an interesting history and and I share this with you, Joe, you may or may not know this, but you're sister carrying on with school together at that place there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're playing a space. [SPEAKER_01]: We were classmates, and we were classmates at Pepperdine University. [SPEAKER_01]: So she and I were classmates, and the thing that was unique, and I tell the story in relationship to you ask, how do I deal with it? [SPEAKER_01]: She took a communications lab that I was responsible for, and we'll say I taught it, I was responsible for it. [SPEAKER_01]: And she had the great cool, spiky, fun hair. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she did.

[SPEAKER_01]: And people with teas are about it. [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I would say, why would you tell somebody about their hair? [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just to say, it's because you're all the jealous of the fact that she can, she can roll with that, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: And she thought that that was really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: This guy from Chicago would stand up for her. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's our connection, Jodie. [SPEAKER_09]: And that's the story.

[SPEAKER_09]: I wish I had known that sooner. [SPEAKER_09]: I love that. [SPEAKER_01]: We were classinates at Pepperdine for the short time that she was there. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm telling that story to tie this together to your question. [SPEAKER_01]: When we stand together and lean into each other, and when we shoulder up, like those folks from the Civil Rights Movement did, and to create, I know your mom was indirectly one of the supporters. [SPEAKER_01]: She was.

[SPEAKER_01]: So many black folks, specifically, and other people of color, both professionally on-camera and people off. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's where we get this, Scott. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I'm able to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: I stand on their shoulders. [SPEAKER_01]: And when you heard me talking this morning to a couple of my guests at the time of Robin Kelly, he's standing on each other's shoulders as well as our ancestors, if you will, or a lineage.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I do it, Scott. [SPEAKER_01]: I make sure that I do it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Look, at this point, those folks. [SPEAKER_05]: This is the first time Richard and I have ever met, by the way. [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, he's he's never met Sean Smith Pierce, which is me. [SPEAKER_05]: But I, we have something that you and I are connected with as well, Richard, which you didn't know about either. [SPEAKER_03]: What's that Sean?

[SPEAKER_05]: I went to, uh, I went to Navy boot camp, uh, just up the road there. [SPEAKER_05]: Wow. [SPEAKER_05]: And great lakes. [SPEAKER_05]: You used to ride the one that can line down all the time, downtown, and, uh, even though it wasn't supposed to, you know, you go, you, you hang out places you're not necessarily. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I probably saw you. [SPEAKER_01]: I probably dragged you a lot of some places that you weren't supposed to.

[SPEAKER_01]: because this was early nineties, I was never done. [SPEAKER_05]: I was born in Chicago. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sixty three years old. [SPEAKER_01]: I was born in Chicago. [SPEAKER_01]: My sister's age. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: See, that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_01]: Born and raised in Chicago, and my father, my family's been in politics since I can remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I sat on the floor on a little stool on the evening that Dr. King was assassinated with my family and and crazily enough, same thing with Bobby Kennedy. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the point I'm making to that Sean and back to your question about how long I've been in Chicago. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Chicago native. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been here all my life in one way or another.

[SPEAKER_01]: Never been disconnected even though I went to undergrad in Southern California and it's time they're shortly thereafter. [SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate the folks that come to Chicago and go, oh my god, all the hype about Chicago has been a damn lot.

[SPEAKER_05]: the good hype about Chicago I mean you know say I grew up in the Midwest I grew up in Lincoln Nebraska and basically if you grow up in a place like Lincoln where it's you know mid-sized town or smaller town not necessarily close to a town you know maybe maybe you're growing up in the grass valley up north in California or you know maybe you're out somewhere in the Dakotas whatever you got to pick a city

[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody always says, you know, what's what's the big city that you go to? [SPEAKER_05]: And for us, well, depending on which direction you was going. [SPEAKER_05]: If you, if you go to KC, can say, be right there. [SPEAKER_05]: If you're going west, you're headed out to Colorado. [SPEAKER_05]: You're headed to Denver. [SPEAKER_05]: That's where that went. [SPEAKER_05]: If you're going north, oh, you go up to the city. [SPEAKER_05]: See, go see Minneapolis, Saint Paul.

[SPEAKER_05]: But if you're going east, [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, and especially because you could hop on the train. [SPEAKER_05]: And I can't tell you how many times I have been at Union Station Chicago and rode the train from there to Nebraska and back. [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, Chicago was Chicago's a fantastic town. [SPEAKER_09]: I love that town. [SPEAKER_09]: I love that town so much. [SPEAKER_05]: So we always grew up with the hype. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Chicago was pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then you'd argue with the people who would be like, Oh, well, I like the cities better. [SPEAKER_05]: I like Kansas City better. [SPEAKER_05]: I like Denver better. [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, I mean, that's, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: But I've been blessed to be one of few people that you probably know that has actually spent at least three days in every state in the United States of America. [SPEAKER_05]: I saw that. [SPEAKER_05]: I saw that you had done that.

[SPEAKER_05]: You've been like to have you been to the territories too? [SPEAKER_01]: No, I have it. [SPEAKER_01]: That I can't say I have, but I've been to every- It's on your channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and more as the phrase goes more common than we don't have in common. [SPEAKER_01]: And I take that seriously. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a defender, kind of everybody's big brother or awkward Richard, because I feel that because of some of the blessings that have come my way, that that's one of the things that I get to give back. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't have to wait till I'm whatever point in my life, I do that. [SPEAKER_01]: I try to do that every day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm not saying that to sound all whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a dark side too, and the dark side is, don't mess with the people that I care about. [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to, it's so joody and I, right, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw you point it yourself. [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to curse just like everybody else does. [SPEAKER_05]: But you just like us, you have those FCC rules.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: So I made a point of going, I have to pretend that I'm on [SPEAKER_01]: Like my show. [SPEAKER_05]: People are listening right now on WCPT and who listen to you this morning. [SPEAKER_05]: So they're probably being like, wait a minute. [SPEAKER_05]: I got Richard at both ends of my clock. [SPEAKER_05]: What is up with this? [SPEAKER_05]: I woke up with him. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to sleep with him. [SPEAKER_09]: He's up with you late.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's up with you late right now. [SPEAKER_05]: That's like Stephanie Miller after seven p.m. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, come on. [SPEAKER_09]: After seven honey. [SPEAKER_09]: He'd be after three. [SPEAKER_05]: She ain't no good now. [SPEAKER_05]: No, not at this time of night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You realize that Jody Hamilton, on the way into wherever she's going or whatever she might be doing, she listens to my shower in the morning. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool that Jody's listening to the shower. [SPEAKER_01]: I listen to it. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it's late in the show, but you know, about forty-five minutes or half an hour before you're done. [SPEAKER_09]: Every morning.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, if that's the that's the beauty of how we get I mean, imagine growing we were growing up. [SPEAKER_01]: That what that wouldn't have existed. [SPEAKER_01]: You mean, across the country on a radio show. [SPEAKER_01]: No, why you were driving. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it just didn't happen. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: The modern technology that we've got out there to listen to stations and people.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's, I mean, that's one of the reasons why it seems like, you know, for choose views in the morning. [SPEAKER_05]: It's almost like a little bit of a morning cafe and here at the politics bar at night. [SPEAKER_05]: It's the same thing. [SPEAKER_05]: We have a neighborhood that [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it transcends the bounds of geography and his neighborhood includes us, Karen from Chicago. [SPEAKER_05]: Amen. [SPEAKER_05]: We got to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_05]: We could talk about Karen. [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about some of your other guests and obviously some of the news that's going on. [SPEAKER_05]: Can we hang you around for another round here, Richard? [SPEAKER_01]: You got it. [SPEAKER_05]: Excellent. [SPEAKER_05]: Excellent. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard, show of WCPT. [SPEAKER_05]: He is here in the politics bar with us tonight. [SPEAKER_05]: We're very glad you are with us as well.

[SPEAKER_05]: Wherever you're coming from and hey, if you're listening to the podcast platforms, whatever they be, thank you for subscribing to those as well. [SPEAKER_05]: We will have more than news of the day. [SPEAKER_05]: We got the drink of the day. [SPEAKER_05]: We do have Alice and Gill coming up later. [SPEAKER_05]: And as I mentioned, Richard Chu is here. [SPEAKER_05]: So look, freshen up your drink, hang out.

[SPEAKER_05]: We will come back with more with Richard Jody and me here on the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: Hang on, freshen that drink. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: It is a Tuesday night at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard and Joe, you're talking about ways that they may have communicated in the past, but just didn't kind of, you know, missed cross paths.

[SPEAKER_05]: Just passing in the night exactly sweeping thing with their hands very cool. [SPEAKER_05]: It's it's all cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: Look, [SPEAKER_05]: we are all glad that you guys know some of you here in the bar know each other and you keep interacting on social media so we appreciate whatever social media you happen to be interacting on remember you can find us there at the politics bar whether it's blue sky threads Instagram Facebook or Twitter and hey you know we're on sub stack too so keep interacting with each other and be nice because you know [SPEAKER_05]: It's just just one of those kind of things.

[SPEAKER_05]: Don't be a D. Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Get you. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard Chu from WCPT Chicago is here in the bar with us tonight. [SPEAKER_05]: Don't make him mad. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we're all part of the same neighborhood here. [SPEAKER_05]: It's very hot. [SPEAKER_09]: We'll all get like Hulk. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I'll get like the Black Panther. [SPEAKER_01]: So let's put it all. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I love I love that movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am I heard you guys hear what I said was it Monday or I've been fried for God now, but [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was yesterday. [SPEAKER_01]: It was yesterday. [SPEAKER_01]: So I played a clip from this guy that had, and this was actually sent to me by a friend of my wife. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: And basically it was a guy that said, wouldn't it be cool if someone were to during a press conference asked Donald Trump?

[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you think that the country of Wakanda is doing with the tariffs? [SPEAKER_01]: I'll send it to you guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, Jodi, that's exactly, so because you know, he would take the bay. [SPEAKER_01]: He's the expert on Wakanda. [SPEAKER_01]: So what I did is I said, well, let's expand on that. [SPEAKER_01]: And let's see if, you know, I said to him, I said, me and Devon, who is the board engineer, could be at the White House in the press room.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we could raise our hands and say, [SPEAKER_01]: We have a question. [SPEAKER_01]: We were wondering, could you help us better understand how Donald Trump and the administration is navigating the tariffs when it comes to the country of Wakanda?

[SPEAKER_01]: and so are they putting tariffs on the branium just to make sure right because there is a battle and we're in so jody right that's it and you know that she would go down one of two paths it would either be she would rebuff it because she gets it and but she get all you know funky about it right or which I think she go we're likely she would go with it because she would be like well you know what come is another country that and

[SPEAKER_09]: That's all they can do is deflect, distract. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, that's all they've been doing. [SPEAKER_01]: You've been seeing Richie. [SPEAKER_01]: You've been seeing this stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you saw today. [SPEAKER_01]: This little dance that they were doing with all the abstine stuff. [SPEAKER_05]: So let's see, you saw, you saw in in the house. [SPEAKER_05]: They tried to block all votes. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, everything.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we're not going to have any votes. [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to leave for recess early. [SPEAKER_05]: And then in a bipartisan vote, the house oversight committee. [SPEAKER_05]: Remember, that's, that's where all some of the good Democrats are to get up there and, you know, I believe from Texas. [SPEAKER_09]: Jasmine Crockett. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, she is on. [SPEAKER_05]: She is on the business site. [SPEAKER_05]: I believe.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they approved a motion to direct the chairman to subpoena Jelaine Maxwell. [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, it's an even though they're so desperate. [SPEAKER_05]: We don't want to take anything. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, they're just there being so and they're trying to get her in before they go on recess next week. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, but she's chatting with the DOJ right now. [SPEAKER_09]: Pardoning.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but at the same time on the same day, that all the Scarbage is going on. [SPEAKER_01]: They released Dr. King's files, which the family has done for her since its nineteen seventy seven, they've sealed. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And they were, it's just, it's obvious. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's another distraction. [SPEAKER_05]: And this is where I was, that's where I was going with the Richard, you saw what Bernie's posted, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for those of you in the bar her may not have seen that she posted a picture of her father and then it says okay now do Epstein. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: It's like all and when when you get that kind of smoke from Bernice King. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you really could see she doesn't do that. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know she has definitely been warming up her fastball. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is one that, you know, the first of all, I mean, let's just be honest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. King was not a perfect man. [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. King had flaws. [SPEAKER_01]: He was an adulterer when it comes to that part of his life. [SPEAKER_01]: We knew that, but that's not like new. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's clearly a distraction because they objected here. [SPEAKER_01]: And I can say this as a black dude in America. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please. [SPEAKER_01]: How can we dirty up yet another black leader? [SPEAKER_01]: How can we dirty up maybe another woman?

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what this was all about. [SPEAKER_01]: It's to say see this black eye over here. [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't that great after all. [SPEAKER_01]: So don't trash talk our white dude is president because we'll talk about your black dude. [SPEAKER_01]: But see Dr. King was a president. [SPEAKER_01]: That was president. [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't they can't put the two together if it were a person, you know, the only black president Barack Obama then.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you saw you saw that AI video that he put out didn't you? [SPEAKER_05]: And the A. I, in case you guys missed it here in the bar here, there was an AI video that Trump put on some of his socials that basically they were throwing Barack Obama to the ground and arresting him. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously didn't really happen.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's AI, but [SPEAKER_01]: and that's what that good president, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[SPEAKER_05]: The thing that I always said about Barack Obama and it's not that I don't have that I didn't have policy disagreements with him or or Biden or or hell or Kamal or Hillary, you know, I had we had described that they're imperfect as you mentioned is as, you know, they're human, okay, right. [SPEAKER_05]: But the thing was people always said that Barack Obama was the smartest man in the room.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I learned, both by watching him, but also, you know, my time in the campaign was very intense. [SPEAKER_05]: And he is the smartest person in the room, and so was Joe Biden, but not because of the smartest people in the room. [SPEAKER_05]: Because when they enter the room, they bring all of the best people and all of that knowledge and wisdom with them. [SPEAKER_05]: And if they can physically, and otherwise invite them into the conversation.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm always like, that is, [SPEAKER_05]: That's the way to be a real leader, at least in my book. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know what, you know what, what's makes them great and Hillary is the same way and, and Bill is the same way and really Jenny Carter aren't Democratic, folks that have run for president that didn't win and those who did in one. [SPEAKER_01]: What they have, which is an important skill and we all can learn something from it and that is to shut up and listen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Shutting up and listening doesn't just mean keeping your mouth shut. [SPEAKER_01]: It means turning your brain off [SPEAKER_01]: from the desire to what I have a response to everything that somebody says, rather than allowing that person to not only complete their thought, but there to be the, you know, pregnant pause of time so that you can go, oh, okay, I hadn't thought about that and then be introspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it takes a person that's very secure to be able to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: And then as a leader, it really takes a lot of security to be able to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: And each of those people, I believe, by watching them have exhibited that in their career. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's one of the other reasons why people are drawn to them. [SPEAKER_01]: Think about the people that you're drawn to and closest to are people that oftentimes listen to you, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's one of the things that those folks have been able to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that that's one of the things that right now is what people are really asking for in the country. [SPEAKER_01]: It's folks that we hear it, you know, listen to them. [SPEAKER_01]: Go where they are. [SPEAKER_01]: Those are all where it's robbing Congresswoman Kelly said this morning about listening to the people that she's going out. [SPEAKER_01]: I love what she said this morning.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to Louisiana. [SPEAKER_01]: Joe, they're going to red states and I've been advocating this for months now. [SPEAKER_01]: Democrats go to red states and steal their candy because there are blue dots there. [SPEAKER_09]: There are blue dots in those states. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: And the other unique thing about that is, as more Democrats realize, if you go into a red territory and in its hostile, that's actually a good thing. [SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: As they then, meaning the voters there, are going to recognize, well, hey, Congresswoman Kelly or Swallow, whoever it is, came into our community and guess what they did, they listened. [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't reach out. [SPEAKER_01]: They actually listened. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how we're able to move some of the people over that might be getable, but I'm big advocate of this. [SPEAKER_01]: We have to spend our energy collectively on a thirty-six percent that did not vote.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Then if there are people who did vote for Trump or for Republicans in this last election, [SPEAKER_01]: They may come to us, but we don't need to spend our time going after those folks. [SPEAKER_01]: We need to spend our time in energy going after the people who did not participate. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Amen. [SPEAKER_01]: Back into the mix. [SPEAKER_01]: And they will then be one of our best advocates for getting other people back into the game.

[SPEAKER_01]: Amen. [SPEAKER_01]: Going forward. [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_09]: Cat Abagazella, am I pronouncing your name? [SPEAKER_01]: No, you got it. [SPEAKER_09]: And David Jolly are doing the same sort of things. [SPEAKER_05]: And even though he's not running, I know that one of the first guests that we had on we opened the bar Joe Walsh, literally the week before he became a Democrat. [SPEAKER_05]: He was on our show. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we were talking about some of these exact same things that three of us are talking about. [SPEAKER_05]: And he said, you know, we're saying, look, you can always become a Democrat. [SPEAKER_05]: And then of course he did, he's going to be on your show later on in the week. [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, Karen, who is always here on Fridays, she is going to be on your show later with Tom Hartman. [SPEAKER_05]: Always people speak to different parts of the Democratic voters.

[SPEAKER_05]: Frangely who we love. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we hear them on Stephanie Miller all the time. [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to be here next week. [SPEAKER_05]: It's this is is [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody speaks to a different part of it, but it's it's a huge thing. [SPEAKER_05]: I think the Democratic Party, I think you and I both agree on this, Joe, the Democratic Party is big enough for both Joe Walsh and Zaron Memdany. [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_09]: It's a big tent.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where it is. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that, and I'm looking forward to, excuse me, I'm looking forward to talking with Joe on Thursday. [SPEAKER_01]: You have a blast. [SPEAKER_01]: It'll probably, it'll be an interesting moment. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I bet. [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting interview because he and I have never talked, we've never interviewed one week. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the first time. [SPEAKER_01]: He's been on CPT, he's been on Jonas Pazito's show, I believe.

[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I know, but he's not been on mine and I've not been part of his, his universe. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I will say this early on, it'll be interesting because I have a different approach and observation of not different. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a unsettled observation. [SPEAKER_09]: Understandably, I know what you're saying. [SPEAKER_09]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: So I've got to address that or I will be lying to myself, which I won't do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure. [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope he's prepared for it because without tipping my hand, I want to wait until I'm actually talking with him. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm looking forward to talking with him because I want to come back to something that you just said a moment ago about the tent. [SPEAKER_01]: That is big and it needs to get bigger. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is my take on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure. [SPEAKER_01]: There are some people that we want in the tent and they're going to be different. [SPEAKER_01]: Their activity in the tent is going to be different than others. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the point I'm making. [SPEAKER_01]: Those who had been on the Republican side of this conversation for the last decade and a half that come to the Democratic tent.

[SPEAKER_01]: They gotta take, they gotta take their marching orders from the people that have been here. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of the things that, and I will tell you this from again, perspective is a black man in America, the one thing that frustrates the heck out of Black folks, and I'm not speaking for all Black American. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm speaking for what I know based on what's effective.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what guys do, and sometimes this happens with frankly, [SPEAKER_01]: the white liberal voice. [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: Come in and tell folks what's got to be done. [SPEAKER_01]: This is what Republicans can't do if they're going to be part of the tent. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to come in and listen, take some direction from those who have been here. [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like Sean when I'm in a real full of women.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, you know, I'm not trying to roll into a group of women's conversation and tell them how things should be. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: So, you and I are a hundred percent on that one, Richard, because I've said before, I've said it's kind of like, we are on the broad left. [SPEAKER_05]: We're all kind of in a bus, and we're driving through a hellscape right now. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. [SPEAKER_05]: And it is really, really nasty.

[SPEAKER_05]: We will stop and pick you up, whoever you have to be, if you want to get on the bus. [SPEAKER_05]: And that's fine. [SPEAKER_05]: If you were even if you were a former Trump or if you were like, Oh, man, I saw this Epstein thing. [SPEAKER_05]: The real is I was lied to a bunch. [SPEAKER_05]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_05]: You want to go to the bus. [SPEAKER_05]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_05]: You don't get to drive the bus. [SPEAKER_05]: No, you get on the bus.

[SPEAKER_05]: You get to drive down and listen. [SPEAKER_05]: Damn, skip. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: And that is exactly what I think it should be. [SPEAKER_05]: We're still, we're bringing you on the bus and we're taking everybody out of this hellscape. [SPEAKER_05]: That's right. [SPEAKER_01]: We do see that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the great point. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing that we do is that we say, okay, come on, join us. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think now it's such a huge opportunity going back to what I was saying about the percentage of folks that didn't vote is get them re-engage in the process. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a huge opportunity to gain so many seats across the board. [SPEAKER_01]: And I talk a lot about this on my show, which is, we've got a win at every level, mayoral races, city council races, dog catcher. [SPEAKER_01]: What's that, Jody?

[SPEAKER_09]: Dog catcher at this point. [SPEAKER_01]: We have to win cat catcher and dog catcher. [SPEAKER_01]: We got a win. [SPEAKER_01]: Jody, I know you're on our cat people, so. [SPEAKER_01]: I had five dogs growing up, so. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, cats are my thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, you know, but anyhow, you know, no, there's trauma that I would, I would, Jody would post something with, with the one of the cats.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I would always put a heart because I love cats, but look, cats are beautiful. [SPEAKER_01]: Look, cats are beautiful. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, good, great. [SPEAKER_05]: No, we got it. [SPEAKER_05]: We got to hit the break. [SPEAKER_05]: Look at this. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard, the professional hits the break even before Jody and I do. [SPEAKER_05]: That's that. [SPEAKER_05]: That's why it's nice to have professionals here in the bar who know what's going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: Richard, I do have to ask, can we hold Joe for one more year for war around? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, time. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that is fantastic. [SPEAKER_05]: It is Tuesday night at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: We have the wonderful Richard shoes of choose views. [SPEAKER_05]: That is weekday six to eight on WCPT AMH-twenty.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of a convenience thing. [SPEAKER_05]: We also happen in there are certain cities we like. [SPEAKER_05]: We definitely like Chicago. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we are very glad that Richard shoe of W.C. [SPEAKER_05]: PT and M.A. [SPEAKER_05]: twenty Chicago [SPEAKER_05]: is here hanging out with us on a Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_05]: So we were talking about favorite restaurants and things. [SPEAKER_05]: What is your favorite Chicago?

[SPEAKER_05]: I won't say your most favorite Richard because you don't want to, you know, I don't want to, you know, pass any money. [SPEAKER_05]: But, but what, but what, what are maybe a couple of your favorite Chicago restaurants that are out there? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, there's so many to pick shoes from. [SPEAKER_01]: And it depends on the type of food because Chicago has like so many bit, our top ten big cities in the country, such diversity in the food that we have choices.

[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things that I do on Friday's show is I always sort of give a, here's some things to do with Chicago this weekend, whether you live here, whether you're coming in from the suburbs or if you're visiting the city from out of town. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I kind of go through a list of some things and I throw out a couple restaurants. [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorites is right on right in the middle of Michigan Avenue. [SPEAKER_01]: It's called EV.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a good, eclectic menu. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll put it that way. [SPEAKER_01]: They've got everything from cornbread that's made with real corn to barbecue chicken to great big salads to sushi. [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks open. [SPEAKER_01]: It overlooks Michigan Avenue. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's a really cool spot, but there's just so many, I mean, if I'm looking at neighborhood stuff, there's things and what's the high part neighborhood, which is workers in Obama, Mrs. Obama from University of Chicago, and that's a little bit south of downtown a few minutes, but there's just so many places there, one of his favorites,

[SPEAKER_01]: Great breakfast place and you know, I just I could take an entire day talking about that, but I've got favorite restaurants and I'll and in many cities and I visited and one of the blessings that I've had is to be able to travel and so you know when I'm in Los Angeles. [SPEAKER_01]: I've got my spots that I like to go to out there. [SPEAKER_01]: What about DC? [SPEAKER_01]: You, you, you, you, anything else? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my sister and brother-in-law live in DC.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a, there's a yard board restaurant there that I like to go to. [SPEAKER_01]: There's another place near Howard University. [SPEAKER_01]: And as you guys may or may not know that my partner and, and good friend and cousin Eric Grant, who host a family meeting on Sundays, [SPEAKER_01]: for six p.m. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a Howard graduate. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a Howard alum, so I'm Chicago.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a restaurant near there called Benzneck's door. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: It's killable, you know, legendary legendary spot. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just one of many places. [SPEAKER_05]: Benzneck actually actually Richard the, you know, President Obama used to love going there as well.

[SPEAKER_05]: And and and it's pretty much one of those things if [SPEAKER_05]: If you were on the Obama campaign and you found yourself in DC at some point back in the day, then you'd be like, oh, you go there, whatever ended up when I got out here to the DC area. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, God, now like, twenty, you know, fifteen years ago, whatever it was. [SPEAKER_05]: And I ended up going down there. [SPEAKER_05]: It is, you just feel like home. [SPEAKER_05]: It's great. [SPEAKER_05]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then next door to that, of course, is the hot dog and chili place and, you know, that's just fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's some cool restaurants believe it on a union station. [SPEAKER_01]: There's just some little places to go and bum around that. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's kind of a [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the great things about DC as well, is that there isn't a place or neighborhood that you go that you aren't going to find a cool, fun local place.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very true. [SPEAKER_01]: I get there a lot because my sister and brother-in-law are retired from the Marine Corps and the Navy. [SPEAKER_01]: And so they were. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man here. [SPEAKER_01]: Navy down here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: So they, um, they retired there and I spent the last, you know, that's since they met in nineteen seventy one. [SPEAKER_01]: I've gone there at least two or three times a year. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but anyhow, so I love these things.

[SPEAKER_05]: Next time you're out here, we can go to dinner tonight. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: I do have to mention, you know, news on tap today, no matter where you're getting you dinner from, things are inflation still is going up. [SPEAKER_05]: Economists are warning of even more the impact from Trump's tariffs.

[SPEAKER_05]: And a place in a lot of people have used to to get things cheap Amazon, you know, some people have issues with Bezos some don't, but Amazon, if you remember, promised to keep the prices of the essentials down. [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, new research says, no, they lied about it. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we got that story in the politics or the other thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Chicago being, you know, part of the lake cities, you know, it seems like all the lake cities, especially back in the day, were very heavily tied in the automotive, tied into GM, tied into Dodge, tied into Ford.

[SPEAKER_05]: We've heard from two of those three GM and Dodge Delantis is warning of two point seven billion dollars in losses for the first half of twenty twenty five due to Trump's tariffs and GM says they lost one point one billion their core profits fell thirty two percent because the Trump's tariffs. [SPEAKER_05]: How is some of this stuff affecting some of the people that you know they're in in the Chicago metro area in Chicago land.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think throughout the Midwest is how I would probably focus on it because of the import of the big three, right, importance of the big three in the region. [SPEAKER_01]: And so we know that Detroit, Cleveland, you know, Western Pennsylvania, certainly Illinois, Chicago specifically, [SPEAKER_01]: and even parts of north, northwestern and north eastern Indiana are all impacted by not just the big three. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the uniqueness.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the big three, but it's the after-parts businesses. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not the success and the performance of the big three and then how that this is where Fulacca better words. [SPEAKER_01]: There is a little bit of sort of trickle down to those those businesses.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the ones that are oftentimes, the quickest ones to be affected and may have to lay folks off because they don't have the wear with all to make up those lack of order or those lack of orders. [SPEAKER_01]: So then that has impact on those smaller or medium sized businesses. [SPEAKER_01]: That's always been the case, but you add tariffs onto steel and aluminum. [SPEAKER_01]: The base product are substances for making you an automobile.

[SPEAKER_01]: That has impact on those smaller businesses. [SPEAKER_01]: So I've got friends and family that work in the auto industry and the after-parts businesses that have always been very early in the cycle of a downturn. [SPEAKER_01]: These tariffs show on our [SPEAKER_01]: I said this morning on my show. [SPEAKER_01]: I said earlier today that one of the things that is just clearly evident about Donald Trump and his regime. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even calling it an administration.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's a regime. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when I say that they don't know what they're doing, they literally don't understand the economics. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a business background. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a financial advisor for thirty years. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know everything, but I rely on people who know more and know more than I, to do a better job for my clients.

[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have been done going back to what you said about Obama, about Biden, about other Democratic presidents. [SPEAKER_01]: They just bring in truly people who know what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: And the tariffs are so clearly evidence that they don't understand [SPEAKER_01]: that they don't know what they're doing, not just to the economy and its performance, but also to the sub-markets and how people are impacted by those.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Conch would Kelly said this this week, last week, Roger Krishnamorthy, who was on, heard that Governor Julianne, a little bit of Lieutenant Governor Stratton, all of us said the same thing, they don't understand and irrespective of how much [SPEAKER_01]: chaos that they want to create for the, for the upside on their wealthy donors, they just don't understand that the money really comes from the bottom. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And that is a long way to answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I apologize for that, Sean. [SPEAKER_01]: But no, no, no, it's a great answer. [SPEAKER_01]: Look, it was happening. [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't, they just don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: The same, I mean, with regard to the market's moves, why would you tamper with interest rates? [SPEAKER_01]: or even a discussion that you're going to fire, um, girl, pal, and then see the dip. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the day the next day, well, I was just kind of testing it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: The market has been covered. [SPEAKER_01]: That says that they even even if it's designed so that people who are day trading or people who are hedging the market can take advantage of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, the regular consumers are more impacted by that instability. [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what they're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: And look, and here's the thing is they don't seem to care.

[SPEAKER_05]: Justin Wolfers, who, you know, he's been on everywhere. [SPEAKER_05]: He's he's just up the road from folks here in Chicago. [SPEAKER_05]: He's he's a Michigan guy. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, you know, I'm a Husker. [SPEAKER_05]: We don't blame him for being a Michigan guy. [SPEAKER_05]: We get that whatever whatever, but but Wolfers is is the biggest thing. [SPEAKER_05]: I think he was on the Stephanie roll here a couple nights back.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it was saying for those of you missed it, you know, she's like, why isn't you know, why isn't the market reacting? [SPEAKER_05]: It's because as he said, as he said to her and to others, the market doesn't believe. [SPEAKER_05]: They all think that Trump will check it out. [SPEAKER_05]: And the thing that he fears is if Trump doesn't check it out, if Trump actually sticks through and pushes through with some of these tariffs, it will be even worse.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the worst people that's going to hit is the people you were talking about.

[SPEAKER_05]: The people who are [SPEAKER_05]: the the the secondary tertiary spot because you know you get the suppliers you get all of the the restaurants and all of the the shops that you know that people who work at those places it is yeah so I'm it's it is scary it is it's terrifying these folks don't know what the hell they're doing and it's even more terrifying I think that they don't care I think they do know because they want their rich friends to just get richer

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know some of it, maybe. [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, on it to that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that to Jody's points, Jody's point, they do want to see their cadre get wealthier, get more access, and all those other words that we can use to describe it. [SPEAKER_01]: The other side of this goes back to the original question you asked me, Sean, about how I do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, giving it morning for me is a joy to go and do my show, and it's a blessing to be able to do that and present the best of that guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I believe, I truly believe this in all my heart, that if we make a point of fighting together, rather than fighting against each other, and we make sure that that tent is big and effective, not just big for the purposes of being a big tent, [SPEAKER_01]: We're smarter than they are.

[SPEAKER_01]: David Jolly is a great line that I've been using all year because he said it after the election on MSNBC. [SPEAKER_01]: Our ideas are better than their ideas. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Blackout are their hamstring ideas. [SPEAKER_01]: They make more sense for the entirety of America, not just the people that vote for a particular party. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to be willing to put it all in the line in that regard, bury our egos, leave all that stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: As I used to say, I still do, leave your ego in the trunk of your car. [SPEAKER_01]: Because right now smart crazy takes this for us to be able to say, yes, to your point earlier, Sean, we don't have to agree on everything and we rarely are we going to. [SPEAKER_01]: But the one thing we have to agree on is that we have to politically bury this regime.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, bury them not six feet under twelve feet under. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: because they might come back from six feet, but twelve feet, that's definitely hard as I would come back to. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that, that's not just a rhetorical statement. [SPEAKER_01]: It is what we have the opportunity to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And to bury these, Stephanie would definitely, Miller would say, these are Muffers. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, twelve feet, eight feet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so. [SPEAKER_09]: And it really, really did go to time box. [SPEAKER_09]: You know, like really hard to claw out of. [SPEAKER_05]: We do. [SPEAKER_05]: I think one of the things too is that, you know, as we're heading toward the end of the hour here, I keep reminding folks that the biggest thing that a lot of these mega folks, they, they're angry because they feel betrayed. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And they were.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing is that, and we can say, look, the whole time we were saying the same thing, we don't need to rub it in that we were right. [SPEAKER_05]: We just say, okay, great. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're wrong. [SPEAKER_05]: Come on the bus. [SPEAKER_05]: Just, you know, up in the back. [SPEAKER_05]: Don't even run. [SPEAKER_09]: Bernie stuff in twenty sixteen Donald ran on Bernie Sanders. [SPEAKER_05]: He ran on Bernie stuff. [SPEAKER_05]: He's ran on somebody.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's ran on somebody with Warren stuff. [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, because she's like, oh, no, and I'm like, no, I'm like, we didn't try to tell him. [SPEAKER_01]: We told him. [SPEAKER_02]: We did. [SPEAKER_01]: And when I hear people say, listen, I have a number of people that say to me, true. [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, man. [SPEAKER_01]: we could have done a better job. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, you could have listened better too. [SPEAKER_05]: That is true.

[SPEAKER_05]: People should listen to you. [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_05]: Choose views. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard, you six A-A-M on W-C-P-T-A-M-A-Twenty. [SPEAKER_05]: Richard, thank you very much for hanging out with us today. [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_09]: This whole hour. [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_05]: This is a very, very good hour. [SPEAKER_05]: And look, we got more on the way. [SPEAKER_05]: We do have the drink of the day still.

[SPEAKER_05]: We have more news on tap. [SPEAKER_05]: We have Allison Gil coming into the Mar as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Look at Allison for me. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I will. [SPEAKER_05]: I will say hi to her and you know, look, we will see you again when you come back to the bar. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope. [SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to it, guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much, Richard. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, fresh enough to drink.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I promise we won't talk in that high speed voice because that would just confuse the heck out of you. [SPEAKER_05]: Just, you know, you ever talked like really slow and then sped it over. [SPEAKER_09]: No, I've never done that. [SPEAKER_05]: as dirty as that look of. [SPEAKER_05]: It is a fun Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_05]: We do have lots of news on tap. [SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully you got your copy of the news on tap today.

[SPEAKER_05]: We were talking in that first hour with Richard about the ridiculous distractions. [SPEAKER_05]: I just shake my head at all of that. [SPEAKER_05]: Allison has a little bit more on that. [SPEAKER_05]: We will talk with her coming up. [SPEAKER_05]: Good news. [SPEAKER_05]: Remember I said there was good news in the immigration front today? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you said it, but well, no, no, there is because look, it happened out in your neck of the woods.

[SPEAKER_05]: Am I, am I correct or something? [SPEAKER_05]: I believe you are seven hundred seven hundred active duty Marines who were assigned to Los Angeles. [SPEAKER_09]: Finally going back to where they need to be and they are so happy mark my words. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, they're I see I saw a story. [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody wrote a story.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't include this one because it was a little bit graphic and stuff, but of the morale was so bad that certain Marines were caught defecating in places that they shouldn't like in or on the vehicles. [SPEAKER_05]: So they literally had to then post other Marines to guard against the Marines. [SPEAKER_09]: The Malcolm calls it a BS assignment. [SPEAKER_05]: He's not wrong. [SPEAKER_05]: Malcolm is a hundred percent right. [SPEAKER_05]: It's it is a BS assignment.

[SPEAKER_05]: It really is. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, seriously, there's nothing going on here. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: It's it's known as a crap assignment in the Navy and it's the most crap assignment for the reason. [SPEAKER_09]: But as Stephanie says, we are still making smores on the way, Mo, that was set of fire. [SPEAKER_09]: What am I going to have to go?

[SPEAKER_05]: The same car at least at least Fox is because they still see show keep show they're trying not to not to say anything about about about yeah, but FC but [SPEAKER_05]: There are a lot of wars going on and the magaside is not winning them. [SPEAKER_05]: The judge yesterday.

[SPEAKER_05]: So the Trump administration went to this hearing with Harvard and basically the judge got really pissed off and said that they were cooking up this whole thing against him, which when that's the first thing you get and that's just yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And while this was going on, Trump was on social media blasting the judge. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because Donald [SPEAKER_09]: He's not stupid. [SPEAKER_09]: He is.

[SPEAKER_09]: As Bob Suscoe says, Donald will make it makes it worse for Donald. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he does. [SPEAKER_05]: Bob's right. [SPEAKER_05]: Bob is right. [SPEAKER_05]: So that's just, you know, this kind of thing. [SPEAKER_05]: There is a more in the government going on as well. [SPEAKER_05]: The Trump White House is now leading a push with Trump's congressional allies to block. [SPEAKER_05]: Now this is funny.

[SPEAKER_05]: Block the government accountability offices inquiries into Russ Vot illegally withholding funds. [SPEAKER_05]: But remember when they had dos, they said, oh, it was, it was about accountability. [SPEAKER_05]: And we said, well, isn't there already in a government accountability office? [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, there is. [SPEAKER_05]: And the government accountability office is wanting to knock down, rust vots attempt to withhold funds because they say, I'm sorry, but that's illegal.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he says, who are you? [SPEAKER_05]: And they say, well, where the accountability office, where the office that is trying to make sure that the things that are supposed to get done get done with the seven of people, [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: And you, Russ Vot, do not have the legal right to withhold those funds. [SPEAKER_05]: F you. [SPEAKER_05]: So literally Trump's own government, he is attacking the government of which he is the titular head.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes. [SPEAKER_05]: Don't expect any help from FEMA. [SPEAKER_05]: The FEMA search and rescue chief. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're going to shot me this one. [SPEAKER_05]: First, the FEMA search and rescue chief resigned after his frustration with director known as Texas flood response. [SPEAKER_05]: Shocker.

[SPEAKER_05]: So basically, it sounds like the people with FEMA, including him, were actually trying to do their jobs without fear or favor of politics and known didn't let them do their jobs. [SPEAKER_05]: So he got [SPEAKER_09]: And so basically what's happening with her department and HHS and a lot of the others, right? [SPEAKER_09]: Is people that are qualified to do their jobs are quitting? [UNKNOWN]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: Because they're not allowed to do their jobs. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: But that's what Russ Voss, that's what Russ Voss and Project, twenty twenty five wanted. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: which is. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's, it's a lot of messed up. [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot of messed up. [SPEAKER_05]: There is entertainment news out there as well. [SPEAKER_05]: Two big pieces of sad news. [SPEAKER_05]: We saw this just as we were coming to the bar last night.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think we mentioned it, but Malcolm Jamal Warner died drowned in Costa Rica. [SPEAKER_05]: He did got caught in a ripped tide under toe. [SPEAKER_09]: It's kind of the same kind of thing. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's it wasn't because he couldn't swim. [SPEAKER_05]: It's just. [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not about that at all. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess they said they they found him with like a him and that the guy he was he was like his friend that he was swimming with his friend.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think last checks were still in criticism or something. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but but found him a mile out. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, easily. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which easily. [SPEAKER_05]: And then this afternoon as we were getting ready doing some stuff earlier for the show, Aussie Osborne. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, died at seventy six from Parkinson's. [SPEAKER_09]: I met him years ago. [SPEAKER_09]: Did you? [SPEAKER_09]: Thirty. [SPEAKER_09]: What years?

[SPEAKER_09]: Of thirty four years ago. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was in nineteen ninety one. [SPEAKER_09]: And a friend of mine who now is a base player for journey was his base player at the time. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, cool. [SPEAKER_09]: And so he came down, I was working for this radio station thing. [SPEAKER_09]: It was all about bringing, you know, celebs in. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: And so Aussie was at the hotel where we were doing our thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he came down to be interviewed with whatever radio stations we were just bringing people to talk. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: And I said, why the mayor, Mr. Osborne, my friend Todd is your bass player. [SPEAKER_09]: Because, oh, I love Todd. [SPEAKER_09]: Do you want me to go get him? [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, no, let him sleep because, okay. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I could not have been nicer to me and everybody.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was a small table not much bigger than, well, what were sitting out here? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: It was a tiny little area in this hotel and he was so sweet. [SPEAKER_09]: And I told him I said, when I was a kid, I wanted to be your wife because I wanted to manage bands. [SPEAKER_09]: And he goes, oh, Sharon would love you. [SPEAKER_09]: And he was just, I wanted to be Sharon Osborn. [SPEAKER_09]: I literally did.

[SPEAKER_09]: If you got the right here. [SPEAKER_09]: I do. [SPEAKER_05]: Now. [SPEAKER_09]: But no, he could not have been nicer.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm, [SPEAKER_05]: there's there's there's there are a number reports of of Malcolm Jamal Warner people who knew him he had he had a podcast and he was it was really it was it was it was very not I mean he was he was very kind to which you don't you hate to see you hate to see any people like that that you have a connection with I never met Mr. Warner but a friend of mine played bass and new him and he apparently Mr. Warner was like an amazing bass player he want a Grammy yeah

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which I'm like, that's no joke. [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, yes. [SPEAKER_09]: And he was a hell of an actor and everybody that I know that new Mr. Warner loved him. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: I scan one of those things where you just like, you know, certain things are kind of sad. [SPEAKER_05]: There is some better news in entertainment. [SPEAKER_05]: Stephen Colbert last night, Claped Back as part of the model while we put the clip up in our news on Tap today.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was hilarious. [SPEAKER_05]: He had like all the other late night guys except for Jimmy Kimmel. [SPEAKER_09]: He's out of the country. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Kimmel's on vacation. [SPEAKER_05]: I think in Europe or something like that. [SPEAKER_09]: Otherwise, he would have been there. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_09]: And the clapping, the audience, things were all like the kiss cam. [SPEAKER_09]: It was hilarious. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was, it was great.

[SPEAKER_05]: You can, you can look, you can look at the clip if you missed it. [SPEAKER_05]: It's on our news on tab section, the politics bar. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure Kimmel's upset. [SPEAKER_09]: He couldn't make it. [SPEAKER_09]: Mark my words. [SPEAKER_05]: I'll show up. [SPEAKER_05]: I'll show up. [SPEAKER_05]: for those of you who like Ted Lasso season four is beginning filming in Kansas City, which is, yes, Jodie's clapping is that, yeah, I mean, look, no, it Ted Lasso's pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the fact that he's starting in Kansas City even better at least it's locally. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, you know, and I, well, local, some of our folks I know who are listening in, you know, in Casey and, you know, in the folks who who are familiar with me back in Nebraska, yeah, it's down in Casey. [SPEAKER_05]: Don't bother them. [SPEAKER_05]: Just let them do their filming. [SPEAKER_09]: Enjoy it.

[SPEAKER_09]: You'll have fun watching them and it's bringing business into the area. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: because speaking of the area by the way, Milwaukee Brewers, I know somebody who, at least I think he still works with them, works with their broadcast crew. [SPEAKER_05]: The Brew Crew is one win away from triggering a very unique promotion, Chote. [SPEAKER_05]: There's a local burger chain in Milwaukee. [SPEAKER_05]: If they win, twelve straight.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Free burgers. [SPEAKER_05]: Free everybody. [SPEAKER_09]: But the entire town? [SPEAKER_05]: Well, anybody comes in, yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: And all of Milwaukee? [SPEAKER_09]: That's expensive. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, they're on a really loves the brewers and really, you know, who doesn't, but. [SPEAKER_05]: She'll a male, she'll muzzle. [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_05]: Tefer incorporated.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Also, the fillies last night, there was a very weird thing that some people did not that they didn't quite understand it. [SPEAKER_05]: You ever heard of a catcher's interference? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: So if I'm standing, we're not doing the whole play thing, but if I'm standing behind you, you're the batter and the catcher. [SPEAKER_05]: And I put my glove too far out and it gets into the swing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Catchers interference. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay. [SPEAKER_05]: So it was tenth inning and the fillies, it was fillies versus the red socks. [SPEAKER_05]: Catchers met went too far out in front. [SPEAKER_05]: He caught it and the bases were already loaded. [SPEAKER_05]: which when that happens, it's an automatic walk, which means bank, bam, exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: You get how bye.

[SPEAKER_05]: So they, yeah, the Phillies, the Phillies be the Red Sox basically because their catcher couldn't keep his glove in his crouch. [SPEAKER_09]: The Red Sox couldn't keep it in us. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Red Sox catcher. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which I'm like, too, that's your job. [SPEAKER_05]: That's your job. [SPEAKER_09]: If it isn't, I mean, you just be nice to be smarter about it. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, maybe he was falling off balance. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't quite know. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, everybody, everybody has one of those moments his just cost his team of games. [SPEAKER_05]: So that's where you just sit there and you're like, Oh, that poor catcher. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got it. [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to feel it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's that that's got to suck a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Something something else that might suck.

[SPEAKER_05]: The Trump regime is the FCC, which we know that that's part of the problems with the whole Paramount CBS thing going on. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they they don't just want to screw up late night. [SPEAKER_05]: They want to screw up your internet. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah! [SPEAKER_05]: They want to ditch the Biden-era standards for gigabits speed and scrap efforts to track the affordability of broadband. [SPEAKER_05]: Which makes no sense. [SPEAKER_05]: Why would you want to get?

[SPEAKER_05]: If you're an oversight agency, which is the FCC, and your job is to oversee the industry to make sure that they improve. [SPEAKER_05]: Why would you want to step back from the things that will improve it? [SPEAKER_05]: because Biden did it. [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's anyway. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, we know some of these things are fun. [SPEAKER_05]: They are not purposeful distractions. [SPEAKER_05]: Other news happens out there. [SPEAKER_05]: We will still get you the drink the day.

[SPEAKER_05]: We got to do that coming up. [SPEAKER_05]: We will do that. [SPEAKER_05]: But first, Allison Gill is going to be here. [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, little little thing behind the curtain here for you guys here at the bar. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, as you know, exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: Tuesday is Jody's busy day where she does five thousand, three hundred and eighty five shows.

[SPEAKER_05]: and Allison Gil also has multiple shows and she runs the podcast company that helps us here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: So Alice inducted into the bar a little bit earlier today. [SPEAKER_05]: Jody was not yet in the bar, but I was here. [SPEAKER_05]: And so thanks for letting us out down. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, I hang out here. [SPEAKER_05]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_05]: It's a good thing. [SPEAKER_05]: But we hung out.

[SPEAKER_05]: We talked a little bit about this very important piece that she has got up at mostlywrote.com. [SPEAKER_05]: And about the FBI, is it really a cover up what they're doing with the Epstein files? [SPEAKER_05]: Because remember yesterday we said, it's not necessarily a crime. [SPEAKER_05]: It's the cover up. [SPEAKER_05]: So look, we're going to go. [SPEAKER_05]: We will get this interview and then we'll be back. [SPEAKER_05]: We'll have the drink the day.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, a little bit more news on tap. [SPEAKER_05]: Freshen up your drink. [SPEAKER_05]: It is a Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_05]: Allison Gil coming into the politics bar next hang on. [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: It's a Tuesday night here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: It is a very, very busy night.

[SPEAKER_05]: Matter of fact, it's so busy that we actually had to pre-record this earlier today because we absolutely wanted to get Allison Gill in the studio with us today. [SPEAKER_05]: Now, Jody happens to be recording one of her five thousand three hundred and forty eight other podcasts, so she's not in the bar with me right now. [SPEAKER_05]: But Allison, we just invited you into the bar and it is always good to see you when you're here. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_08]: I will settle up next year. [SPEAKER_08]: Take a stool and probably order, uh, I don't know something sparkling bubbles in it. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: What it was sparkling bubbles were maybe something harder because holy crap. [SPEAKER_05]: It's just been a blizzard of BS today. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's so much news out there. [SPEAKER_05]: It is [SPEAKER_05]: And it's hard to double check. [SPEAKER_05]: It's hard to fact check.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's some people who sometimes you trust up, but you still want to double check. [SPEAKER_05]: And there are so many stories that a lot of the news agencies are even just going past it. [SPEAKER_05]: So one of the stories we didn't want to go past. [SPEAKER_05]: We highlighted this one yesterday. [SPEAKER_05]: We said you would be in the bar tonight. [SPEAKER_05]: You are here in the bar, which is awesome. [SPEAKER_05]: So obviously, the Epstein thing is going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're somebody who, you know, you used to be in the government. [SPEAKER_05]: You obviously have government contacts. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, more this information. [SPEAKER_05]: Jody and I were saying yesterday in the show that it's not just that there may not be anything prosecutable as far as as against Trump from the F. Newfills. [SPEAKER_05]: You don't think there is. [SPEAKER_08]: No, from my sense of what's in them, I would say, I know.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I've been saying, too. [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like, you know, it's the typical government problem where it's not necessarily the crime, but it's the cover up. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: But lawful, they say. [SPEAKER_03]: Good for it. [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, a lot of these have statute of limitations. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Don't, but it's not necessarily about that.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's mostly about everybody I've spoken to was really hoping that a lot of this information will come out obviously without the victim's names or PI or should say the survivors. [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, once Pam Bonnie came out and said, never mind nothing. [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing to see here. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: the the feeling among the thousands of people who were reviewing these hundreds of thousands of pages of documents were like what what are we doing for twenty four forty eight hours at a time staying here till midnight not being allowed to go home [SPEAKER_08]: What have we been doing here?

[SPEAKER_05]: Right, to refers to the memory of folks here in the bar who may not have been here last night, Senator Dick Durbin put out of things that there are thousands of people at the FBI who were reviewing the Epstein and Maxwell files to basically mark Trump's name in there, and some people didn't believe him, and your piece came out, which we highlighted and said not only that, but you've talked to some of these people, or communicated with them, however you've communicated with them privately.

[SPEAKER_05]: And you had all kinds of details about this, that the analysts said that first they were told to mark nothing, then the rules about what they were supposed to mark changed. [SPEAKER_05]: One of the big things that I was shocked about is it looks like there may be drives or videos out there that have shared work that have shared, is this true?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and since then, I've had several people reach out and say, yes, there were training videos, but they weren't like standalone videos. [SPEAKER_08]: They were embedded in PowerPoint presentations. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: And a new piece that I'm working on is actually going to expand the universe of people who had access to the Epstein files and those videos. [SPEAKER_08]: And the senses is that it was just complete chaos, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: They were waiting for orders that orders changed pretty much on a daily basis. [SPEAKER_08]: And somebody had said they spent more time waiting for new instructions than working on these reviews. [SPEAKER_08]: The operational security was just garbage. [SPEAKER_08]: And everybody was extremely worried that if these files were released as is that the victims and survivors names and PII would be out there. [SPEAKER_08]: And it was their objections.

[SPEAKER_08]: I want to be very clear here that none of these folks were like, yeah, let's get this stuff out there. [SPEAKER_08]: They were all, these are all career employees at these agencies. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: I can verify FBI right now. [SPEAKER_08]: But their main concern was protecting these survivors.

[SPEAKER_05]: The main concern was was doing the job correctly, not only protecting the survivors, but their other legal issues involved with the potential libel and slander and potential information sharing and all kinds of things. [SPEAKER_05]: So they were trying to be judicious in how they were reviewing the files and doing what they were told to do, finding Donald Trump's references in there, but also not giving out information to the public that they weren't supposed to correct.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, and nobody could really verify the legal stuff because that was all at the tip of the top, but do know that Acosta and Dershowitz, Penda Sweetheart Deal for Jeffrey Epstein, that granted immunity to all of his co-conspirators and legally if the body has immunity. [SPEAKER_08]: You can't put their stuff out there and accuse them of crimes. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a violation of their constitutional right to face their accuser and court.

[SPEAKER_08]: If you're not going to die to them, this is why this is why Mueller didn't say that Trump obstructed justice. [SPEAKER_08]: And we were all like, come on, man. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: It was with that was his legal argument. [SPEAKER_08]: It was like, well, I can't indict him. [SPEAKER_08]: He's a sitting president because of an OLC memo. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Which is to go the way of the dodo. [SPEAKER_08]: Amen to that.

[SPEAKER_08]: But he was like, I can't indict him. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm a rule guy. [SPEAKER_08]: And since I can't indict him, he can't face his accusers in court, which robbs him of his constitutional right to do just that, which left, of course, a big gaping.

[SPEAKER_08]: The whole which bark and come in and park a truck of non-prosecution, but because of these non-prosecution agreements and these immunity deals at the state level, those extend to the federal level and in that sweet heart of a deal. [SPEAKER_08]: And so those people's names were never going to be released. [SPEAKER_05]: If they do release them, then they're going to have all the kinds of problems that they were trying to avoid in the first place.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, but then again, I mean, he's the president. [SPEAKER_08]: So he can kind of do what he wants. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm sure the Supreme Court will go along with it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like who's going to, I mean, besides God, if he was going to, he was going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to

[SPEAKER_08]: might actually be a more formidable opponent for Trump adversary. [SPEAKER_08]: And the justice system, we might, we might have been like, go Mueller, go tax minute, go cancels. [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's good. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm fine with that. [SPEAKER_05]: I just, you know, whatever gets him at this point, but I also look lots and prayers as they say exactly exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: We care about the law. [SPEAKER_05]: We care about these kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously the people that, you know, you've communicated with and the people that they work with have been trying to do things correctly. [SPEAKER_05]: Does anybody think that there is anything in the way that the Trump DOJ has been mishandling or handling this that could potentially lead to more issues?

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you, I know you were working on this piece earlier today, but [SPEAKER_05]: the judge that they're trying to pressure to release the grand jury testimony came back and said yeah no you guys haven't given me the all for all the information that I need to go forward so you go have to go back and do a little bit more homework which is not unusual for telling Trump people that but

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying they're going to me and say it's a clear pattern of they can't do their homework. [SPEAKER_05]: They were changing the rules as you noted in your piece of what they wanted these FBI people to review. [SPEAKER_05]: It seems like it is just absolutely ripe for potential problems, potential legal issues. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what. [SPEAKER_08]: So far it doesn't seem like anybody's broken the law. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but so what the potential is there. [SPEAKER_05]: So it's so we don't know, but. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean, that's that's that I got was that because the, like they were like, well, just give every, you know, review, give everything up to Pam Bonnie, let her know, tell her and tell Cosh Patel and tell Dan Bungino who these survivors are, what their addresses are, what their social security is number. [SPEAKER_08]: And they were like, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, we can't possibly release anything with personally identifiable information. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: that that rule changed and then the another rule changed and then they wanted to get rid of and redact all the illicit parts of of what's in the files and my sense is as the reason that the files weren't released is because you end up with nothing that we didn't already know uh and everybody would be kind of just how they were when those binders came out you know of the thing that we're already made public and everyone's like we already got these you know

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, because they're looking, they're looking at it. [SPEAKER_05]: My snap says, you know, Bob Smith had sex with this thirteen year old girl on this day at this time. [SPEAKER_05]: And it was this much money. [SPEAKER_05]: I just don't think a list like that exists. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, um, not. [SPEAKER_05]: Or at least one that was that was compiled by Epstein or Maxwell. [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe in the gathering of data, maybe in the gathering of data, they have collected.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think in the gathering of evidence, there were probably prosecutors who put these lists together, but, you know, there's no real client list, right? [SPEAKER_08]: And so when they're just named everywhere in the files, and you can't hand those names over because of the prosecution on prosecution agreement. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: And we already kind of know [SPEAKER_08]: Who's who's in them?

[SPEAKER_08]: Because of the public release of information that we've gotten already. [SPEAKER_08]: So I think either the calculus by the Trump regime was, well, there's not going to be anything to it because we have to redact everything or there's not going to be anything new and everybody's going to be mad at us.

[SPEAKER_08]: But I think that the problem that they face is that people would have rather seen to confirm what they already knew [SPEAKER_08]: the information that was allowed to get out, then to be told that there's nothing there. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Or it's all hoax or that Obama wrote it or whatever. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Which just, you know, really upset his base, which is why now they're going to talk to Gillian Maxwell and I wonder what sort of deal they've made. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, she, you know, has more of a kind of what I want to say here. [SPEAKER_05]: She she's more likely in some ways to lie about it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: She can get let out of jail by Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's exactly where it was again for incentive. [SPEAKER_05]: She's a huge incentive to lie about this stuff and that's. [SPEAKER_05]: That so much so much news as I mentioned earlier today. [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, I'm sure you probably saw Stephen Colbert, absolutely, you know, ripping last night. [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, all the others joining him last night at the day or at the at his show. [SPEAKER_05]: And then John Stewart on the Daily Show ripping absolutely again.

[SPEAKER_05]: Since you've been silenced or attempted to be silenced by government stuff before, what do you think, I mean, how do you, how do you think this is going on the WSJ suit? [SPEAKER_05]: I know Jodi was interested about, you know, your thoughts on that and of course about the Trump not drawing Judge Cannon down in Florida, which that was funny too, but that was pretty hilarious. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, yeah, the silencing is interesting.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, also this week, I had a scoop about a department of justice lawyer and an analyst, a forensic author. [SPEAKER_08]: A forensic accountant, excuse me, who worked as an auditor for the US trustee. [SPEAKER_08]: who was fired. [SPEAKER_08]: Suddenly, and without notice, just this past Friday, and the reason she was fired was because of her proximity to the guy who developed the ice block app. [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right. [SPEAKER_05]: I saw a little bit of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is just, you know the guy, so they get rid of you? [SPEAKER_05]: She's married to him. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay, there's that. [SPEAKER_08]: But that's a violation of First Amendment rights. [SPEAKER_08]: That's the thing to do with the app, you know, she had nothing to do with it. [SPEAKER_08]: The Trump administration makes it, makes it, makes it, wants it to seem like she was feeding information to the ice block app.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like she's at the US trustee on bankruptcy cases. [SPEAKER_08]: People don't really, they, they, [SPEAKER_08]: rely on their base not understanding how government works. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, and how media works. [SPEAKER_05]: I am, and well, and of course, the media executives don't seem to understand how media works either.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it is the dumbest thing in the world to fire cold air or to prefire him and give him ten months of basically, you know, legally protected ability to kick their ass. [SPEAKER_08]: How does pesky contracts? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: I've worked in media professionally for over thirty years. [SPEAKER_05]: And the house. [SPEAKER_05]: What I was calling because when I was coming up in radio was always taught this way. [SPEAKER_05]: The radio house.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it works this way I found out in film and TV and books and other things too. [SPEAKER_05]: There's the house. [SPEAKER_05]: And on one side of the house, you have the creative people. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, the people who are actually responsible for the stuff that makes the money. [SPEAKER_05]: And on the other side of the house, you have the people who basically do sales and trafficking and ads and, you know, that kind of thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: And they are always jealous of the folks who are the creative people. [SPEAKER_05]: And they always want to do it. [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, well, you can, but you're not creative enough. [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like in the same way. [SPEAKER_05]: They're trying to get rid of Colbert now. [SPEAKER_05]: They're, you know, there's some issues with, you know, maybe potentially Stuart, and I'm like, if you kill all your cash cows, who's going to make you the money jackass?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's my thing. [SPEAKER_08]: I remember there's an old movie called Working Girl with Melanie Griffin. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: Love that one.

[SPEAKER_08]: she put together a deal to sell a radio station to a company who was trying to avoid a Japanese takeover and if you own a media company you can't and somebody she said something like along the lines of their their number one DJ number one in this time slot slim slicker was thinking of leaving the radio station you're just going to have a washed up to bit radio

[SPEAKER_05]: I'd love to hold you over for another round, but I know you have to go, because you've got other things you've got to do. [SPEAKER_05]: We are so grateful to have you in to clarify this. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, folks, if you don't know Allison's writing up, she's either finished or not, maybe by the time you've heard this, depending on if you're listening in podcast, land. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, check it out. [SPEAKER_05]: You can always go to any of her social media at most you wrote.

[SPEAKER_05]: Or, hey, just go to mostlywrote.com, and you will get the latest update. [SPEAKER_05]: Allison Gil, thank you very much for coming into the politics bar tonight. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you for having me. [SPEAKER_08]: It's good to see you, my friends. [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, good to see you, too. [SPEAKER_08]: Take care. [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see you again soon. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_07]: Have to be pay some bills at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_05]: It is a Tuesday night here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you very much to A.G. [SPEAKER_05]: Allison Hill. [SPEAKER_05]: She's always great daily beans in the morning. [SPEAKER_05]: You definitely should be listening to daily beans. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, if you're not listening to Stepping Miller or Bob Cesska or look, that's why podcasts exist. [SPEAKER_05]: You can shift your time listening and get everybody. [SPEAKER_05]: That's the entire thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: So subscribe to Daily Beans podcast as well. [SPEAKER_05]: And hopefully you're subscribed to our podcast here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: Jody, it's Tuesday nights. [SPEAKER_05]: I am a little bit thirsty. [SPEAKER_05]: We have not gotten to the drink of it. [SPEAKER_09]: We have not. [SPEAKER_05]: No, no. [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, the funny thing is the drink of the day today, as you put it out, you said, it's inspired by a monster.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, well, you know, if it's inspired by a monster, we talking to a Trump or Steven Miller or Tom Hobag, I mean, home and or Pam Bondi or pretty much any. [SPEAKER_05]: And then you said, no, it's a happy monster. [SPEAKER_09]: It is. [SPEAKER_09]: He's a happy monster. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: What is the drink of the day and which monster is inspiring? [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's called a Nessie cocktail.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: So those of you from, I don't know, Scotland. [SPEAKER_09]: My understand it. [SPEAKER_09]: It's, it's for the Loch Ness monster. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: That doesn't have to be monster. [SPEAKER_05]: I can dig that. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: And basically it happened to these people in Scotland thought they saw him and blah, blah, blah, blah made his drink. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, look, and there's a new report.

[SPEAKER_05]: We didn't include it because I think we had too much news here last week, but there's a new report. [SPEAKER_05]: It says the Loch Ness Monster may not actually have humps. [SPEAKER_09]: I always thought it was just his tail. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_05]: I put it in there as well in the drink description. [SPEAKER_05]: It's at the drink of the day. [SPEAKER_05]: It's, you know, drink of the day at thepulticsbar.com.

[SPEAKER_05]: People can read that that report if they want to. [SPEAKER_05]: I thought that I thought that maybe that was what brought the Loch Ness Monster to your mind. [SPEAKER_09]: No, it was just. [SPEAKER_05]: You were just thinking monsters and you were like, hmm, yeah, that sounds good. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, why not, right? [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so what's in it? [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so you need a chilled coop glass which we've done before.

[SPEAKER_09]: Ice first during a shaker or other glassware also for the stirring of the ice. [SPEAKER_09]: Got it. [SPEAKER_09]: One and a half ounces of blended Scotch whiskey. [SPEAKER_09]: Now this particular drink is very specific on the types of liquor because it's in it's Scottish. [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: So, God, I don't know if I can pronounce this first. [SPEAKER_05]: Tornab-Hag. [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_05]: Tornab-Hag's pitted single malt whisky.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's quarter ounce of that. [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: Three quarters ounces of ruchy, ruso-vermuth, which is a dry ish-vermuth. [SPEAKER_05]: Driver-vermuth. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: A quarter ounce of nuts, alpina, walnut, lecure. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm a six of an ounce, which is very specific. [SPEAKER_09]: Lusta said Emilio Pedro Jimenez Sherry. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so a very specific type of Sherry. [SPEAKER_09]: Very specific.

[SPEAKER_09]: And two dashes of whiskey barrel aged bidders, which we have links to all of that for y'all that. [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, if you don't know, or if you don't have a good local liquor store, look, you go to the links, you'll find it. [SPEAKER_05]: You'll find it in the drink of a day. [SPEAKER_09]: And again, with the orange zest, like we did yesterday, I believe. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, we'll curl like you weren't zest thingy, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: But they want you to look at, make it look like the Loch Ness. [SPEAKER_09]: So you prepare the garnish, curl to resemble Nessie. [SPEAKER_09]: And there's the photograph with the link. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: Curl like that. [SPEAKER_09]: Poor all the other ingredients into with ice into a shaker or and then stir. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: Do not shake stir. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then you strain it again, fine straining as much as you can, and you express the orange zest over the cocktail and use it as garnish and raise a glass to our little messy. [SPEAKER_05]: There you go. [SPEAKER_05]: I like that. [SPEAKER_05]: Sounds like it would be a good drink. [SPEAKER_05]: Very, very whiskey, very, definitely. [SPEAKER_09]: There's the walnut like your sound's interesting and flavor. [SPEAKER_05]: I would definitely give it a different twist.

[SPEAKER_05]: It would be kind of like that. [SPEAKER_05]: Trying to think of of, honestly, thanks, you know. [SPEAKER_05]: I know you're more vegetarian, but I still think a steak might be pretty good with that. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I bet it would be with whiskey, are you kidding me, yeah? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with whiskey and with the walnut tones to it. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God, yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's that. [SPEAKER_05]: That's my thought to look.

[SPEAKER_05]: If you missed the drink of the day or you missed any of the interviews we had today with Allison Gill or Richard Chu, you know what you could do. [SPEAKER_05]: Subscribe to the politics bar podcast on your favorite politics or on your favorite podcast player. [SPEAKER_05]: It is Tuesday night at the end of the night. [SPEAKER_05]: It's been a busy busy day.

[SPEAKER_05]: I did remember there were a few things that you and some of the other folks here in the bar wanted to get straight double checks from yesterday. [SPEAKER_05]: Remember you asked how often can Congress do a reconciliation bill? [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was twice a session. [SPEAKER_05]: I went to congress.gov and I hunted it down. [SPEAKER_05]: So reconciliation is it was allowed in the congressional budget act of nineteen seventy four.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's an expedited budget process. [SPEAKER_05]: Whenever Congress adopts a budget resolution, first thing they do is they establish budgetary goals for a certain time period. [SPEAKER_05]: And it is during that time period, and usually your time period is a year. [SPEAKER_05]: So usually they assume that you can do three reconciliation bills a year.

[SPEAKER_05]: Because each of these reconciliation can technically only focus on one element, existing revenue, direct spending, or debt limit laws. [SPEAKER_09]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: So if you have a reconciliation bill that loops in two of them, for example, they increase the debt limit and they did stuff with, I believe it's existing revenue or direct spending in the reconciliation bill they post, they can have one more.

[SPEAKER_05]: But that is only during the time of whatever the budget resolution is. [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, the technically you can do, you could do basically two or three, but that's it. [SPEAKER_05]: Now, Russ Vaught thinks that he can do however damn many that he wants because, you know, that's Russ Vaught and he's a jerk. [SPEAKER_05]: And he's actually getting in trouble because there's the GAO, there's a judge. [SPEAKER_05]: I missed this one.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'll stick this one in the news on Tap tomorrow that basically told Vaught today, dude shut up and do what you're supposed to do and spend the money the way you're supposed to spend it. [SPEAKER_05]: So he's getting in trouble because he says, well, my interpretation of the law and they're all going, are you a judge? [SPEAKER_05]: Are you on the Supreme Court? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: Then shut up and interpret the law. [SPEAKER_05]: The way that it is legally set now.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not the way you wish it to be. [SPEAKER_05]: And Vott is at least one little post that I saw from somebody who's a reliable source has said that he's steaming about it. [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, what a bunch of jackasses. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they don't want to be stopped. [SPEAKER_09]: I remember George W. Bush, uh, who said it so much easier to be a dictator. [SPEAKER_09]: That's what they want to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they would, they would accept they each want to be a dictator. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: And this before that the current, the, the modern Republican motto is I've got mine F U. Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: which means they're all very, very self-centered, very selfish. [SPEAKER_05]: The problem with this is if you stick all of them in a room and give everybody a sword. [SPEAKER_05]: And then you lock the door and you say, okay, now if you team up, you can get out.

[SPEAKER_05]: Or if you get rid of everybody else in the room. [SPEAKER_05]: And they always go for them, get rid of them because I'm the most important one. [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, you're only going to end up hurting everybody. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, nobody's going to survive. [SPEAKER_05]: It's dumb. [SPEAKER_05]: Work together, not against each other, but they would prefer the other way. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't make sense to me. [SPEAKER_05]: When we were talking of Richard in the first hour, he is very much about, you know, the neighborhood. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And you're neighborhood. [SPEAKER_05]: We know that your neighborhood here for those of you who are in the bar with Jodi and I, your neighborhood is us. [SPEAKER_05]: We are your neighborhood bar wherever you are. [SPEAKER_05]: And we're very thankful for that.

[SPEAKER_05]: But your neighborhood is community. [SPEAKER_05]: Where your community. [SPEAKER_05]: And we, we help each other wherever we happen to be. [SPEAKER_05]: So it is [SPEAKER_05]: It just mind boggling to me that they're like screw community. [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do it all for all for me. [SPEAKER_09]: It's all for you, Damian. [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, you say Damian and that's where my brain goes. [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, so I just I shake my head at all of that.

[SPEAKER_05]: There is there is some other news that is in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to mention this because the piece that I mentioned yesterday from Bill McKibbin is a really positive, very hopeful piece. [SPEAKER_05]: If you're looking for hope, you need to look to solar long and short. [SPEAKER_05]: What the people who've been talking about green energy have said has already happened.

[SPEAKER_05]: They've been forecasting for years and it's already happening around the world where the price of solar is so much cheaper than so much of the petroleum based energy sources out there. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, businesses in a lot of the world, no matter what Donald Trump or any other nation does, they're not going hell, the Chinese government. [SPEAKER_05]: is the biggest installer and basically, most of the solar stuff is coming in China now, more than anybody.

[SPEAKER_05]: Because they're like, let's get away from that. [SPEAKER_05]: Because the sooner that we get away from these petroleum fights, the sooner we don't have to worry about what goes on in Middle East or some of these other things like that. [SPEAKER_05]: So it's very hopeful. [SPEAKER_05]: You can read that one as well. [SPEAKER_05]: That was something else I mentioned yesterday, I wanted to follow up on.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, if I had money in, say, an oil company, [SPEAKER_03]: I'd take it out. [SPEAKER_09]: I would first off say to them if I had enough shares, let's get off of this and go on to other things. [SPEAKER_09]: Because if you as an energy company, which is what they technically are, want to survive the next hundred years, [SPEAKER_09]: which they've been doing for about a hundred years just on oil. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Hi. [SPEAKER_09]: No, let's do that. [SPEAKER_05]: What are look to what the Saudis and the folks in the UAE and the folks in Dubai? [SPEAKER_05]: I'll all the folks in it.

[SPEAKER_05]: If you notice, most of them, there is still some fighting, but there is a lot more cooperation because they've started figuring out they look at what's going on with the EU with the economic cooperation and the other big thing that they're looking at is [SPEAKER_05]: most of their money for that whole region comes from energy. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: They have been investing massively in two things. [SPEAKER_05]: Solar and batteries.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, look at where they live. [SPEAKER_05]: Solar, hello. [SPEAKER_05]: And it's, but that's the perfect thing is they've figured out they've been investing solar by and I don't just mean batteries. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're talking about energy transmission technologies and installing brand new much better versions like skipping generations to kind of technology. [SPEAKER_05]: I wish we had, you know, we were installing more of here.

[SPEAKER_05]: But they're figuring out because they still want to have their primary businesses be energy. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they're not stupid. [SPEAKER_05]: Right, but they're already making the leap that you were just talking about. [SPEAKER_05]: They they they follow Jodi's advice before Jodi even gave it because they knew, you know, well, I mean, we tried Reagan stopped us. [SPEAKER_09]: Carter was on our we were on our way had had Carter been reelected.

[SPEAKER_05]: I would have been a whole different world, just like if Gore had actually been allowed to be just like if Hillary. [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to make a couple of other notes of corrections today. [SPEAKER_05]: I looked this up because somebody asked me to somebody reach out last night and said, hey, it's not technically illegal to drive down Lake Street Minneapolis in a red car. [SPEAKER_05]: I remember you said that yesterday. [SPEAKER_05]: Right, I've always thought that it was.

[SPEAKER_05]: I have been told that it was for years. [SPEAKER_05]: I finally decided to see if I could look it up. [SPEAKER_05]: Most people say it's not illegal now, but nobody could confirm one way or the other whether there was a specific law or not. [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm like, okay, I don't think it's illegal because obviously red cars go up and down Lake Street in Minneapolis at the time. [SPEAKER_05]: But now, yeah, but I couldn't find an individual specific citation.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's also argument over the story about the eighty-two-year-old grandfather. [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_05]: Who was was was taken by ice? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: That whole thing. [SPEAKER_05]: Some people are now saying it's fake. [SPEAKER_05]: There are conflicting stories and multiple directions on this.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I have not found anybody who has done the the full vetting of this simply because there are so many other stories that were out there today that people are already like, hey, that was five stories ago. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm on this thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll we'll have to keep keep an eye out there on that. [SPEAKER_05]: We try to be accurate here. [SPEAKER_05]: We try to make sure that we give you the details, give the information.

[SPEAKER_05]: Because that's what people are here. [SPEAKER_09]: And we link to actual news sources. [SPEAKER_09]: We don't link to. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: Be it. [SPEAKER_05]: We don't link to Caroline. [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, BS Barbie. [SPEAKER_05]: Not for you. [SPEAKER_09]: I can't wait for somebody to ask the questions that Richard Chu asked. [SPEAKER_09]: about Wakanda and the tariff son. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that would be great.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, God, I would love to see that. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_05]: She'd know why we're not. [SPEAKER_05]: But look, if you missed that conversation, you could check it out on the podcast and in your podcast player, type in the politics bar, you'll find it tomorrow. [SPEAKER_05]: Who's going to be in the in the in the in the morning tomorrow? [SPEAKER_05]: We have Bob. [SPEAKER_05]: Pope Bob Bob's Esco will be here tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_05]: We have more great guests coming up. [SPEAKER_05]: But look, it's the end of Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_05]: Clean up your table, clean up yourself. [SPEAKER_05]: Get some sleep and then meet us back here tomorrow night and we will go over the news. [SPEAKER_05]: We will all chill it out. [SPEAKER_05]: We will hang out with you and get through it because that's what we do here in the neighborhood. [SPEAKER_05]: That's what we do with the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_05]: Joe, do you have yourself a good night? [SPEAKER_05]: I'll see you tomorrow. [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_09]: Where else am I going to be? [SPEAKER_05]: You'll be here with me and these folks at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_09]: Have a good night folks.