7 Generations Wisdom October 14, 2025

[SPEAKER_00]: It's political I think it's radical You think it's a far away You are the politics Shotsmith, Pearson, Showty Hamilton Jordan How you doing? [SPEAKER_03]: This is the last of your busy day Last show of your day It's a busy day A plus but you got to start it out with Lonnie You know, which you know I do [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this is true, but you actually got to start your doubts on a show with Lonnie. [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: And technically, I mean, you're also ending it on a show with Lonnie, because after all, we are here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_03]: we're glad you guys are here with us too. [SPEAKER_03]: No good. [SPEAKER_03]: Go. [SPEAKER_09]: He's he's now for those of you that have do listen to the Stephanie show. [SPEAKER_09]: He's now the new videographer for the show. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a video guy over the Stephanie Miller show.

[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, what you can also listen to on Grace stations like WCPT AM at 820 in Chicago. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you're listening at AM-950 Minneapolis Saint Paul. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you're listening to the detour talk in Tennessee or maybe you're listening on progressive voices radio wherever you want to be.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe maybe you're listening on the podcast and then you don't have the benefit of listening to great shows like Stephanie in the morning and then us in the evening, but you probably should just as a reminder that's why- But did you, did you hear Charlie at me this morning? [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was, I was like, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, come on, man, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, well, but Charlie just gave that flat, you know, Ms. [SPEAKER_03]: Hamilton. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: And you said, Mr. Pierce, no, I said, my brain went, my dad's here. [SPEAKER_03]: What? [SPEAKER_03]: Dad's here? [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: And then Karen from Chicago texted me, she's like, wait, your relationship with Charlie is a ruse?

[SPEAKER_09]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [SPEAKER_03]: Look, Charlie and Jody have platonic love. [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, if you remember, okay, I've tweeted this out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, um, team different times over the years. [SPEAKER_03]: Remember that charts? [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_03]: Which, which, thank you, Bart, by the way, who is part to amazing for that. [SPEAKER_03]: Bart is part is great, but I'm glad he came up with that idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just made it reality, you know, and of course, I also like, if you look really closing, I, I, I may just have to, to, uh, put out the charts here in the social media and the breaks. [SPEAKER_03]: But so the Jody and Charlie Chart not only does it rate the hotness of your interaction. [SPEAKER_03]: But if you look, there's a tiny logo in there and it says it came from the Department of Afterglow. [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's of course.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sure, I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna go to the effort of doing something like creating a fake guidance chart like that, the color chart that they used to have [SPEAKER_03]: the days of the war on terror. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: You may as well just do it right and go the whole way. [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_09]: Well it was funny because the first time I met him in person, he was out here to do Jimmy Kimmel.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I've been really glad. [SPEAKER_03]: Now he was in the years ago. [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: So I was in studio because he came in on a Tuesday because that's a normal day. [SPEAKER_09]: So I was in studio and somebody got a screenshot of me looking at him and they were like, oh.

[SPEAKER_03]: find something it looks at you like Jody is a Charlie like okay this guy needs some serious help in the wardrobe department and just sorry Charlie [SPEAKER_03]: I really do like it brother. [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're great. [SPEAKER_03]: I still think your last name is spelled wrong. [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're great. [SPEAKER_03]: I do think you're great brother.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just, you know, I mean, look, my wife helps me, you know, dresses me, or at least not really, but I mean, you know, I dress better now these days than I used to when I, you know, when we first met 30 fish years ago, actually 30, 30 years ago this month. [SPEAKER_09]: You were children when you met. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Jody is right. [SPEAKER_03]: And we know we used to do things like go out and have fun and go out at night.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah exactly exactly also rallies which speaking of which no king's rally is coming up this weekend. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited about this. [SPEAKER_03]: There are 2,500 plus events scheduled. [SPEAKER_03]: I believe that's just in the U.S. [SPEAKER_03]: continental U.S. [SPEAKER_03]: and the other states and territories. [SPEAKER_03]: So there are other events even around the world. [SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be a big huge honking deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's it's pretty go obviously we are going to have a leg reenberg co-founder of indivisible here on Thursday is she get to give us those checks that we're supposed to get I wish I wish I she she doesn't even get those checks. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll we'll ask her about that and be like you know hey can Mr. Soros kind of slide you little and then maybe pass it on to us he'd be broke if he had to pay everybody even just five bucks [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing, actually.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he would be because on the left, on the left, it would take so little money if anybody wanted to actually invest in all of us for us to be able to successfully, more successfully than we already do, continue to do what we're doing. [SPEAKER_03]: That's, it wouldn't take a whole lot of damn money. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm talking about protestors, you know, if he paid everybody five dollars each and every protestors. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, apparently we're all paid.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tiny Johnson is just such a small thing. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think it's because when the Tea Party happened, there were paid protestors and I think they're just projecting. [SPEAKER_03]: Look when the tea bag are started and yes, I still call them tea baggers because that's what they call themselves They did. [SPEAKER_03]: If you guys don't want to have for the rest of eternity, a really stupid ass nickname stuck to you.

[SPEAKER_03]: You might want to actually think about some of these things before you go out and do stuff like that. [SPEAKER_03]: But when the tea baggers started, yes, they were astro-turf. [SPEAKER_03]: That is the technical term. [SPEAKER_03]: Astro-turf means that when somebody is going out and protesting or they're putting stuff out on social media, they're being paid.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like a lobbyist, right because that's basically what they are is they are a a public PR campaign lobbyist for Whatever the cause happens to me and and when the tea party started that's that's what they were doing They're like oh we can push the media around which

[SPEAKER_03]: uh... there there's some good stuff today in the news on tap um... uh... it's not at the top of the news on top it's actually uh... down closer to the bottom in the fifth round of media entertainment more today um... obviously uh... you know as we were starting this evening at last check pretty much all the major in media news organizations all the legitimate ones semi legitimate ones and even the net job right wing ones everybody except uh... uh... o a n has basically told keg breath to pound sand

[SPEAKER_09]: has CBS done it yet. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All the top three. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, given who currently runs that joint. [SPEAKER_09]: And Fox News, too. [SPEAKER_09]: It's like, [SPEAKER_03]: Fox. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: News. [SPEAKER_03]: Questionable. [SPEAKER_03]: But Fox. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Also questionable news.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, even they did even even like I think it was was a bright part I saw or something. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely not. [SPEAKER_03]: But even they did too.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, for those of you don't understand what's what's been talking up and what's going on with respect to that and with respect to the free speech issues, which we're going to talk with Professor Julie Frencheller, who many of you may have heard her on John Fuels ang show on Thursday night with Simon Moyes myth. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, just got a lot to say about what Native Americans can teach us about speaking out about standing up to power.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so you guys got to learn that. [SPEAKER_03]: But, um, so here's the thing, uh, what the rules are that Kegbrett is trying to institute of the Pentagon, uh, work like this, what they're saying is every piece of information that is given to anyone with a Pentagon press credential. [SPEAKER_03]: needs to be vetted by his media minors. [SPEAKER_03]: Everything, every slip of paper, every comment, every whispered phrase, every everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's literally not how journalism is done. [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: because hell, just for us on this show. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yes, we do a lot of stuff that involve journalism stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: But how much stuff do we do, Jody? [SPEAKER_03]: How much stuff never actually makes it out on the website, on the air, on the radio as we're going to get a lot, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, half sometimes, some days, some days more.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just one of those things that when you're in journalism, [SPEAKER_03]: It's like collecting Legos or playing cards. [SPEAKER_03]: The pieces don't always fit right away. [SPEAKER_03]: And some of them never fit. [SPEAKER_03]: Some of them are like, okay, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: This is a rumor from this particular person in whatever blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_03]: But some of them eventually do fit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some of them don't make sense at all when you see it the first time and then later on they do. [SPEAKER_03]: What Pete Kegbreath is trying to do is I'm going to clamp down and make sure that there are no leaks because my other thing has been embarrassed. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not so much about safety, but it was about safety. [SPEAKER_03]: He would have stopped after the whole texting scandal, signal gate. [SPEAKER_09]: You'd think. [SPEAKER_03]: You'd think?

[SPEAKER_03]: But no. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not going to do. [SPEAKER_03]: What it's going to do is it's going to move the conversations to places that he can't control. [SPEAKER_03]: And what the good journalists are doing is that they are taking their journalism skills to a level I think they should have taken a long time ago, which is instead of being there at the Pentagon.

[SPEAKER_03]: And conveniently catching whatever is thrown at them, and then maybe vetting it, and then maybe putting, they're going to be forced to do actual journals, and they're going to be forced to go out and find out outside sources or connect with sources from inside the Pentagon and outside places in insecure ways and get that information still, because they're still going to get the information. [SPEAKER_03]: They're just not going to be spoon fed the information. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's we're going to see, but that there are some stories on that in the news on tap today down in the media matter section, a couple of good columns too, one from Margaret Sullivan and one from Perry Bacon talking about the failures of the mainstream news media and what we can do and one of the things we can do is support independent media.

[SPEAKER_03]: like us here at politics bar course you can subscribe anytime politics bar.com $6 a month luck 50 week basically get you the news on tap for free it also happens to get you the drink of the day with the recipe and it gets you the podcast ad free but honestly the biggest thing is just the fact of supported dependent media all over the place and if you can dump your subscriptions to mainstream the only way they're going to pay attention is if they're income continues to drop

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I dumped New York Times in Washington Post not too long ago. [SPEAKER_03]: I am this close to dropping Washington Post. [SPEAKER_03]: There are some places and we with some of the links that we give you. [SPEAKER_03]: We we give you gift links. [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes we find links on other websites that are basically just reprints and I'm this close to dropping the Washington Post just just a hair.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because honestly, if I can find, I'd say 90% of the stuff that we get from the post elsewhere. [SPEAKER_03]: Then yeah, I think I probably will because the the quality of their content and the fact that they have become a right wing hack organization in a lot of ways makes it kind of worthless it's just [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to have you got to provide value folks. [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of where that's it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey man, so Anyu, uh, there is a lot of news actually to look at in the news on tap today. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, uh, we have the the no kings information. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, there is a link to the main no kings page. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to find a protest near you? [SPEAKER_03]: You absolutely can do that. [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to find graphics for your signs, you can do that as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple of good pieces, one from Native American Journalist, Levi Rickett. [SPEAKER_03]: It's his recap of the No King's rallies last time, and I think it's important to read as we go into this time, because there's a lot. [SPEAKER_03]: that we need to learn from people who have been in these kind of positions before, whether they're journalists, whether they're, we often say, black women have a lot to teach us.

[SPEAKER_03]: Fransal, by the way, going to be here tomorrow, and you know brilliant, but Native Americans have a lot to teach us too, because they've been resisting the ridiculously stupid Europeans and European Americans for what, since the 1500s, basically about 500 years,

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, they got a lot to teach us, no matter fact, that's why we're gonna have one of the reasons we asked Julie Fredshella to come in to the politics bar tonight So she can kind of help educate us a little bit plus yesterday was it any indigenous peoples day and you know, we got back Oh, we got a drink of the day today That is tied to indigenous peoples day kind of but it's also tied to a whole other holiday.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's happening today that many of you don't even know about [SPEAKER_03]: You should. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, it's a tasty holiday. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's bright. [SPEAKER_03]: It's refreshing. [SPEAKER_03]: It's full. [SPEAKER_03]: It's red-lated. [SPEAKER_03]: Those of you who have subscribed and you're getting the drink of the day, you know, we're talking about. [SPEAKER_03]: And those of you who have not made you should.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's similar to the color of my hair. [SPEAKER_03]: There you go. [SPEAKER_03]: See, red is a good color. [SPEAKER_03]: I like it. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to learn a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: Have a little bit of fun too. [SPEAKER_03]: Julie Frenchella, come in and Tuesday night here at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_03]: It is Tuesday night. [SPEAKER_03]: Here are the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: We are very glad to have you hanging out with us from wherever you happen to be. [SPEAKER_03]: Also, by the way, thank you for everybody who reaches us on all of our great social media platforms. [SPEAKER_03]: Whether that happens to be Blue Sky or Threads or Instagram, Facebook, Sub-Stack or Twitter, you know what I find as we are at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_03]: You know who's also at the politics bar tonight. [SPEAKER_03]: We have the one and only Julie Franchilla.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, normally I know some of you, some of you wait. [SPEAKER_03]: You listen to John Fugoshanks, John Fugoshanks show religiously on Thursday nights, because she and Simon Moyes Smith are there, and you guys are like, no, I gotta listen, I gotta listen. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're glad you guys are hanging with us in the bar and listening her today, Julie. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming in. [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you so much.

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you for having me, and I'm doing very well. [SPEAKER_08]: I would love to introduce myself if it's okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Just know the way to do it. [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the forgotten barmena know who you are. [SPEAKER_08]: Just from our nation, so I'll say, Anipo Joel, and didn't know a marketing dog, Julie Franchella, I could never know why what she did. [SPEAKER_08]: She quay in Disney cost, Nenduda, McGeeza's student, Minoa, Nendua, Bachelonnifers Nation.

[SPEAKER_08]: And what that means in my language is, hello, my relatives, my name is Julie Franchella. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm brave dear women standing strong from the heart. [SPEAKER_08]: My family is the eagle clan, and I was citizen of the Ojibwe of Bachelonnifers Nation.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I say that because where I come from when we introduce ourselves, we always begin by sharing our name, but not just our name, we share our clan and our nation because each of those really speaks to who we are, where we come from and then what we carry forward. [SPEAKER_08]: And it shows our relationships to the land, to our ancestors. [SPEAKER_08]: And the reason why we do that is because it reminds us that we are a part of this living web that connects all of us.

[SPEAKER_08]: So in our nation, we always introduce ourselves by saying where we're from and who we're connected to. [SPEAKER_08]: So that's just a little, yeah, that's very cool. [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like, you know, saying your first name, your last name, what neighborhood you from, what city you're from, you know, people that way, if they know, you know, I believe you living Midwest, you're leaving my correct on that.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm actually I go between New York City and I also go back to Canada because I am a indigenous person and we have something called the J Treaty and what that means is we can cross the borders if it doesn't exist for the indigenous nations that were here before the border actually existed. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, like the Ojipoi. [SPEAKER_03]: We're in Canada.

[SPEAKER_03]: uh... i'm actually in uh... on terials a two-state marion terials uh... uh... that's yet right on the board right on the board i've got some ish again and so can i don't see that's what i was thinking because i'm going then you probably know the mid-western thing because the mid-western thing you being from the brascar as i am it's one of those things were somebody's like oh i'm joe smith oh just smith from where oh joe smith from the name of the time oh yeah i know you guys whatever

[SPEAKER_03]: So you're saying, you know, for a frozen way, it's pretty much the same thing. [SPEAKER_03]: You stay, you know, your name, your family name, where you're from, your neighborhood, and it was like, I know you, I know your family, do you know where you're from? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you're family, exactly. [SPEAKER_07]: Makes sense. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so much to learn from the Ojibwe.

[SPEAKER_03]: One of the reasons I think that we were all facing this issue of the regime, the second regime of Donald Trump, [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot, I mean, Native American tribes have been dealing with the stupidity of white people, Europeans, sort of 500 years. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you and I have mentioned this much, but I'm always wondering about this because

[SPEAKER_03]: When you talk with somebody who is educated about Native American tribes and the topic almost always comes up about Thanksgiving for whatever reason and we're headed towards that and it's like there are some people who are vehemently against it who are tribal there are some people who are no big deal there are some people who embrace the the positivity of it and but don't shy away from the negative.

[SPEAKER_03]: I always look at it for me in terms of the webinar were really, really, yes, they were kind, but they were also smart. [SPEAKER_03]: There was another tribe that that was, you know, that they were fighting with and some of us dumbass white people had brought them diseases and they were a little bit weakers or like, yeah, we're aligned with the white people for now. [SPEAKER_03]: But basically, the white people were dumb.

[SPEAKER_03]: It took almost like three months, four months, to cross the ocean back then. [SPEAKER_03]: They planned for the whole voyage, and then they didn't plan for afterwards. [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't plan for, well, you know, you got to learn how to kill animals and plant things and stuff when you get there. [SPEAKER_03]: We were like, yeah, what the hell will get there? [SPEAKER_03]: So often, we're like, okay, God, you people are stupid. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, help you.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll teach you a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll take some pity on you, because we're nice, and also it will help us politically, but man, you guys are doing it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of where I've always seen it. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that some native people are always like, well, I don't know about it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, no, no, no, we're white people. [SPEAKER_03]: We're stupid. [SPEAKER_03]: Trust me, we're dumb.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess kind of starting from that, is there stuff that we can learn from there and is there stuff that we can learn from the way that native people have had to face the oppressive power of the United States, sometimes Canada, over the last four, five, six, hundred years. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean, Canada definitely is the same story. [SPEAKER_08]: It's the same story in Canada as it is in the United States.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we have a different perspective, indigenous people. [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I don't speak for all indigenous people. [SPEAKER_08]: I speak from my nation and my tribe. [SPEAKER_08]: But we have something called the seven grandfather teachings, which basically talks about respect, encourage, and bravery, and living within integrity.

[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, we have something called the seven generations rule, and what that means is we don't make any decision, any decision at all, unless we consider how will this impact seven generations down the road. [SPEAKER_08]: And so when you look at things like climate change and sustainability, you know, that's how we always, you know, consider any decision that we make.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it was more about, you know, it became about, you know, resources and how can we, you know, extract what we need from, you know, this, this planet. [SPEAKER_08]: And so for us, we consider the earth as our mother. [SPEAKER_08]: And so we are in relationship with that. [SPEAKER_08]: We are in relationship with the earth. [SPEAKER_08]: And so it's a different perspective, you know. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's also, it's a wise perspective.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're not eating next spring's grain, the feed yourself now and the fall, you're paying attention. [SPEAKER_03]: You're investing in everything, not just your people, they're everything around you. [SPEAKER_09]: Unlike us, because we're short-sighted. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: That's really we're based on what's next quarter. [SPEAKER_03]: What's the question of the American now? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Which I mean that is where we're at and I know you don't speak for for you know every nation there. [SPEAKER_03]: There were God. [SPEAKER_03]: There was what the somewhere between 60 and 120 million Native Americans in the Americas before us idiot Europeans came over here. [SPEAKER_09]: We brought disease. [SPEAKER_09]: So that didn't help among other things. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we we also know go ahead.

[SPEAKER_08]: I was going to say, if you look at, you know, the start of this nation of America, you know, they needed a common enemy to sort of bring the 13 colonies together. [SPEAKER_08]: And even though they respected our governance systems, the, you know, the democracy you have today is based on the whole day of the show. [SPEAKER_09]: The Franklin I believe was one of the ones that really believed in that. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so your democracy is based on our systems of government, except for the part where they indigenous people included women, women were the chiefs, women were decision makers, women or leaders, and you know, the forefathers of this country, you know, they kind of make sure that that part was hidden. [SPEAKER_08]: But then they also needed to to unify these 13 colonies. [SPEAKER_08]: How do we get, you know, everyone's kind of work together.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, they need, if you watched Wicked, you know, they need a common enemy, and the common enemy became indigenous people, it even says that in, you know, your declaration of independence, merciless Indian savages, that is what we are still referred to in the declarations today. [SPEAKER_08]: So, sorry about that. [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm always saying, I always say, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: None of us here today were there when those things happen.

[SPEAKER_08]: So we're all inheriting this story. [SPEAKER_08]: We're all inheriting this history. [SPEAKER_08]: So I never want people to feel shame or like you were saying Jodie, sorry about that. [SPEAKER_08]: It's just like, it's now it's about what we do moving forward. [SPEAKER_08]: True, you know, absolutely together. [SPEAKER_08]: All of us. [SPEAKER_03]: I love that. [SPEAKER_03]: Julie is right. [SPEAKER_03]: We do that when somebody's right around here.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's, it's about when the part is a good thing. [SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, I think that is a really important thing is, is we can dwell on the past and we need to learn from it. [SPEAKER_03]: But we also need to learn from it and moving forward. [SPEAKER_09]: Unlike Donald who said, we need to just bring back Columbus as that great guy. [SPEAKER_03]: Even Columbus Ohio doesn't like Columbus. [SPEAKER_08]: You're all. [SPEAKER_08]: I love Columbus Ohio for that.

[SPEAKER_08]: That makes me very happy. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: They took down their statue of Columbus. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was in 2019. [SPEAKER_03]: And they still haven't put it up because they're like, We'll find a place like a museum. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, a museum is important because then you learn about what that guy was.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, but they don't want to have it up in big public and say, look, here's this I'm going that's that's it but literally that's the town's and you're going you guys you figured it out well done well played or at least put it in you know in in the town square but in context.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know, like so that maybe there are, you know, like a museum, but really it tells a lot about who we are by who we celebrate, you know, and so Donald Donald Trump bringing back, you know, Columbus Day, or it didn't really go away, but, you know, doing this whole proclamation and just erasing, you know, indigenous peoples day that really says a lot about, you know,

[SPEAKER_08]: Also about the issues that America has reconciling with its own history, or even knowing that the true history, because if you know your history, you know that Columbus didn't even set foot in what is today, the Continental United States, it wasn't at Caribbean. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was in the Caribbean, that's right.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think it was between 1492 and 1504, I believe, Columbus made, yeah, he made, you know, four different voyages to the new world, they called it the new world, but it wasn't new to our people or so, you know, again, he landed in the Caribbean. [SPEAKER_08]: including parts of, you know, the Bahamas, Cuba, his Banyola, which was present day Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so, you know, there were nations that were thriving and there were nations that, you know, had existed for, you know, time to memorial. [SPEAKER_08]: And they were thriving and they were doing well and, you know, Columbus basically brought, you know, torment and genocide, too. [SPEAKER_08]: the indigenous populations. [SPEAKER_08]: And so if you're choosing to celebrate that man as a human being, like, there's something that I think is is a long, partly wrong.

[SPEAKER_08]: It does. [SPEAKER_08]: I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: Does. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: What that's, I mean, when when we look at how Trump and his ice monsters are doing things, [SPEAKER_03]: when we look at Pete Kegbrett as we jokingly call him. [SPEAKER_03]: And the whole Pentagon thing today of, you know, you journalists can't do your thing. [SPEAKER_03]: You must only put out the information that we feed you, which is just in just ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_03]: You see that the mirrors of the cruelty, the Columbus put out, and the cruelty that Maga World rejoices in. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, [SPEAKER_03]: too. [SPEAKER_03]: No wonder there are so many people standing up against you with these rallies.

[SPEAKER_03]: No wonder that people are crossbow two realize that most of the journalism organizations at the Pentagon other than O.A.N. [SPEAKER_03]: even some of the right-wing ones stood up against Pete Kegbrecht today and his ridiculous rules and said, no, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: We can't do that. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's when you're [SPEAKER_08]: Med-Zerm College, and I actually teach indigenous studies, the impact of colonization, and also, I want to take that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go and say, I think one of the reasons, y'all, she's brilliant. [SPEAKER_03]: I said this before. [SPEAKER_03]: She's freaking brilliant. [SPEAKER_08]: But well, for 30 years before that, I was a trauma therapist. [SPEAKER_08]: So I moved into, I moved away from that, but I worked in trauma for 30 years. [SPEAKER_03]: How is that possible? [SPEAKER_03]: You cannot be that old. [SPEAKER_03]: You cannot be that old.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have a 32 year old daughter and a 26 year old. [SPEAKER_09]: So you were like 12 when you started having these people? [SPEAKER_07]: I was, I was basically nine months old. [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, you were in utero when you had people in utero at this point. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was a fetus, basically. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you were.

[SPEAKER_03]: Anytime you're doing this though, whether it was with the trauma stuff or whether it was a professor, when you research information. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't always put the information out there. [SPEAKER_03]: There's lots of stuff that you don't use because it may be pertinent to the discussion that you're having, to the paper that you're writing, the class that you're teaching.

[SPEAKER_03]: Literally what Pete is saying for the Pentagon is every single media organization must have every single piece of information that they take in, vetted and authored and approved by him, which [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm actually somewhat pleased that even some of the right-wing propaganda organizations are like, no, sorry, we ain't doing that, we ain't playing that game. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly, I mean, Pete Heggsett is a, what was he a Fox News talking about?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly, Fox said no. [SPEAKER_08]: yeah he's really pushing this you know that's that whole authoritarianism that's why you know i'm so happy you know i went to the very first no kings uh... protests now there's going to be another one on saturday and i'm so happy that people are pushing back against this we want to talk to you a little bit more about that can we hold you over and get you here for another round in the bar

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we do have the one and only Julie Frenchella here, which, you know, frankly, you know, I part of me wants to do that whole Wayne's world thing of, you know, we're not worried. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not worried. [SPEAKER_03]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: Because you are, I mean, you know, you're brilliant about a lot of things. [SPEAKER_03]: And one of them you were you were starting to hint at it here before we, you know, had to go do some work and pay some bills there.

[SPEAKER_03]: The no kings rallies are coming up. [SPEAKER_03]: And Native American tribes, different people and different tribes have different ways of doing this. [SPEAKER_03]: As you noted, some of the governance that we deal with now, here in the US originated from Native Americans, as a Benjamin Franklin would definitely proudly tell you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I've always liked the fact that there are actually a lot of tribes that women have positions of power, put women in positions of power, two spirits. [SPEAKER_03]: I learned about that years and years ago, actually. [SPEAKER_03]: I tell you this. [SPEAKER_03]: I had a friend of mine when I was getting out of the Navy. [SPEAKER_03]: First of jibway that I met. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's been many, many years. [SPEAKER_03]: We've unfortunately lost touch.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he's his great guy. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I think, tell me about two sparing. [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what's that? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, that's a cool concept. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's so many things that [SPEAKER_03]: Native peoples have dealt with that I think a lot of, frankly, comfortable white people and come to move people of, you know, every racer starting to see starting to feel with the current authoritarianism that's coming from the Trump regime.

[SPEAKER_03]: What are some of the lessons that I think those of us can take from, I mean, as a professor of Native American studies, you are the perfect person to ask us, what are some of the lessons that Native people's in the Americas can teach us about going forward about how to handle not just this weekend's protests, but protesting and standing up to power in general?

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, and for indigenous people, we've been resisting kings and crowns and poops and, you know, President since, you know, the first ships came. [SPEAKER_08]: And one of the things that my elders always say, when we're fighting back against, you know, authoritarianism or whatever it happens to be, [SPEAKER_08]: don't lose your humanity. [SPEAKER_08]: Don't become what you're fighting to protect.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's one thing that people they get so angry and what we never want to answer that ugliness out there with ugliness because we're trying to protect what's gluten in the world. [SPEAKER_08]: We're trying to protect freedoms and we're trying to protect, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: We're trying to protect each other, our brothers and sisters and the land, and so our elders would say, don't become what you're working so hard to protect.

[SPEAKER_08]: Don't answer that ugliness with more ugliness. [SPEAKER_08]: You do it in a way that you're still centered in your own humanity. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's one thing that I would say to your listeners out there because it's so easy to fall into that ugliness [SPEAKER_08]: When we start to humanizing the other side and saying, oh, well, you're this and you're that.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we can never dehumanize the other side because then we lose sight of their ability to change and their ability to maybe come over to, you know, as we say, you know, I love Star Wars, you know, the dark side, you know, life, you want to stay in the light, stay in the light, my friends. [SPEAKER_08]: It's a choice.

[SPEAKER_09]: I remember at the beginning of COVID, [SPEAKER_09]: Because I was on Stephanie show and I still am on every Tuesday and we're like get put a mask on magas Do that we want to protect you as much as I don't want to protect me.

[SPEAKER_09]: I want to protect you get vaccinated Do what is necessary to take care of yourself and your family and a lot of them just didn't listen and a lot of them died [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, which is sad and we don't want that, you know, we always say, you know, indigenous people, we're out there protecting the land and the water, not just for us. [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: We are protecting it for everyone. [SPEAKER_08]: We want everyone.

[SPEAKER_08]: And people say, what does decolonization mean? [SPEAKER_08]: Like people, we talk about landback. [SPEAKER_08]: We don't want to take the landback. [SPEAKER_08]: We don't want to build another boat and send, you know, Europeans back to, you know, where they came from. [SPEAKER_08]: We want to have them understand that. [SPEAKER_08]: We are the first stewards and protectors of the land, and if you allow us to, once again, the protectors of the land, we will protect it for you.

[SPEAKER_08]: We will protect the water for you and your generations that you know, so are, you know, your ancestors that are still out there. [SPEAKER_08]: So we really, that's the message, you know, for us is that we want to protect it for you. [SPEAKER_08]: So, [SPEAKER_08]: That's my main thing is don't lose your humanity and remember that we are all in this together, we really are. [SPEAKER_08]: Who are you?

[SPEAKER_09]: A friend of mine posted the other day, the reason that she wants to protect the planet is because she has grandchildren. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't have children. [SPEAKER_09]: So I want to protect the planet for everybody. [SPEAKER_09]: I have no skin in the game. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to be dead before everything starts to fall apart. [SPEAKER_09]: So it's not for me, or my, but the food of my little ones, right? [SPEAKER_09]: It's for everybody else, you know?

[SPEAKER_09]: It's like me paying taxes, property taxes for high school. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't have kids. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm happy to pay the property taxes that I pay for the school in my neighborhood because I want them to be educated. [SPEAKER_08]: exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: And we're all connected, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Like, and the other thing, too, is indigenous people, we call all beings relatives. [SPEAKER_08]: The four-legged, the winged, we're talking about animals.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, those are also our relatives. [SPEAKER_08]: We don't just think of the two-legged, you know, the humans, as our relatives. [SPEAKER_08]: Like, we're protecting the land for, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: the fish and the bears and the deer and all of those creatures because they are our relatives. [SPEAKER_08]: We see things in a circle. [SPEAKER_08]: It's not a hierarchy where humans are up here and everything else is below us. [SPEAKER_08]: We are equal in balance.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's the word that completes, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, holistic, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of people say it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of native tribes seem to be a lot of indigenous tribes, [SPEAKER_03]: at least in my experience in, you know, learning someone, seemed to be a lot more aware of that, I think, than a lot of, a lot of us, you know, European originated folks and a lot of people from other parts of the world, where, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: they're aware of, you push on the universe here and something happens over here. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a kind of an awareness of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And instead of ignoring it and saying, nah, that didn't happen. [SPEAKER_03]: It was just as magic as a mistake. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no, no, no, you look in tribes and there are different myths that are involved, but the through line is, you push on the universe here. [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, it actually does do something over here. [SPEAKER_03]: So you gotta be careful, what you're pushing on and where you're going.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but as I think about it, policy as a piece of of this is how the universe actually works as opposed to us work, did I do that? [SPEAKER_08]: No, God yes, but humans are very, you know, human centered, you know, where we don't see that indigenous people, we see us as part of a web, part of, you know, this environment that ecosystems, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: If you change one thing in an ecosystem, it's going to impact everything and that's why we're so protective of the land and the animals because you change one thing and it has an impact. [SPEAKER_08]: Even our language, the word for trees and some of our indigenous languages and plants are those who take care of us. [SPEAKER_08]: That's how you translate the word for, you know. [SPEAKER_08]: plants and trees and those who take care of us.

[SPEAKER_08]: So if you think about that, you know, it's a reciprocal relationship, you know, you can't survive without these things on this planet who we consider as our mother. [SPEAKER_08]: And so we take care of it as if they are all of our relatives, our relations. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's a really important for Indigenous people to kind of, you know, protect [SPEAKER_03]: So with respect to the upcoming no kings rallies, I think that's something that that attitude can be taken forward.

[SPEAKER_03]: We need to be watching out for not just our interests. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we want to get our voices out there. [SPEAKER_03]: But we want to have fun. [SPEAKER_03]: We want to make sure that other people are having fun. [SPEAKER_03]: We want to make sure that people are taken care of. [SPEAKER_03]: If somebody needs help.

[SPEAKER_03]: We want to make sure that we're doing what we can not not just I'm here to have a good time I don't care about you, but that we're doing this and that we're doing it for more than just this weekend that we're doing it to build our community build our our muscles of community I think in a lot of correct me if I'm wrong Julia, a lot of indigenous tribes that connective tissue of community

[SPEAKER_03]: uh... was really the thing that that has held them together over thousands of years and that in a lot of america today we just don't happen to have a lot of that and this may be can help [SPEAKER_08]: Well, if you look at your absolutely right, you know, indigenous people community is everything. [SPEAKER_08]: If you want to, you know, damage, you know, indigenous people take away their community.

[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, there's a friend of mine, Dr. Bruce Perry, who's a, you might know who he is. [SPEAKER_08]: He's a trauma. [SPEAKER_08]: trauma therapist, he's done a lot of work with Oprah Winfrey, they just wrote a book recently, and he talks about the indigenous ways of being in the world are the most healing ways because everything has done in community.

[SPEAKER_08]: And he talks about how, when he used to have an intergenerational family living together, those children tended to [SPEAKER_08]: be better adjusted and they could heal better from trauma because they had all of this community around them and generations around them and that really is the key to human beings and our success is because we are, you know, social beings, we have to have community.

[SPEAKER_08]: So looking out for one and other, going to this no-king's protest, you know, Trump's latest immigration crackdown, you know, those are indigenous migrants mostly, you know, from nations like the Zeppotech, [SPEAKER_08]: and others who are, you know, they've been moving through these lands and territories long before the US Mexico border.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, let's look at, you know, that and really stand up and help them and protect them and, you know, I really, I just want to encourage your listeners out there who are considering going to the No Kings protest in your area.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I encourage you to show up because when you show up, you know, you're saying, you know, I see what's happening and I'm not going to look away and I'm not going to stay quiet and, you know, that's where we benefit as a society when we start looking out for our community members, even if it's not impacting us, you know, that's so important. [SPEAKER_08]: Amen. [SPEAKER_03]: That's, you know, that is the way to go.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have to say, as we're heading towards the end of the hour, yes, you're brilliant in a lot of things, but you also do for some fantastic artwork. [SPEAKER_03]: We've got, we've got a link, not only to your sub-stack, which has a great piece that people should read here. [SPEAKER_03]: I think you put that out yesterday, but also a link to your artwork, which people look on the news of the day in the guest section of the bottom.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a great picture of you with a piece of, I believe, your artwork behind it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's this great kind of a yellow and gold piece, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she used some, you know, some great artwork. [SPEAKER_08]: It is just, yes, I actually just did a painting of a ghost god hair and it actually belongs to Stevie Dan's dance. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: That's on my website.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: So that too, which I was like, I was like, nice, get Stevie, although I'm hoping he paid you well for it. [SPEAKER_03]: How many users hand it to him? [SPEAKER_03]: Because I mean, I'm sure it took a while. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a buddy. [SPEAKER_07]: He's a friend. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: He's a friend. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a friend. [SPEAKER_08]: It's in this studio and good energy is always a good thing when you're creating things.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I feel like those are my children, my paintings, absolutely energy out there. [SPEAKER_03]: That's our work exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we also have the drink of the day today. [SPEAKER_03]: As we mentioned, I believe earlier, it is, it's coming up. [SPEAKER_03]: It is related to the Waffenag, it's related to, I'll just give it away for those people. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a cranberry rosemary cocktail.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll have to, we'll have to do that a little bit after you're gone. [SPEAKER_03]: We will celebrate it here because I know we're running in the end of the hour. [SPEAKER_03]: Julie, where can people find out more information? [SPEAKER_03]: Connect with you. [SPEAKER_03]: Where do you prefer that they connect with you? [SPEAKER_08]: You can follow my sub-stack. [SPEAKER_08]: It's called the Fire I Keep.

[SPEAKER_08]: But you can also follow me on a blue sky at Julie Frenchella and all other social media. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so happy to be on with you both. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding? [SPEAKER_03]: Everything that you do. [SPEAKER_03]: We are extremely just honored. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for having you. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: honored is a much better work. [SPEAKER_03]: Jodie is right.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, Julie, you come back sometimes soon again. [SPEAKER_03]: Hang on again? [SPEAKER_03]: I would love to. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! [SPEAKER_03]: Love that. [SPEAKER_03]: Julie Fred Shella, thank you so much for coming in and hanging out with us tonight here at the politics box. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes. [SPEAKER_03]: I know some of you are thirsty. [SPEAKER_03]: We will get to that drink of the day. [SPEAKER_03]: We got that coming up.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have more of the news on tap as well. [SPEAKER_03]: Do what you got to do. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's up the hour. [SPEAKER_03]: We ain't pleased. [SPEAKER_03]: UM2, please, just, you know, so we don't have to clean stuff up later. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, all right, coming back with more. [SPEAKER_03]: On a Tuesday night at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome to the bar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's looking at some paperwork we'd have around here at the bar because, you know, look, we do actually work. [SPEAKER_03]: That's just kind of how things are here at the bar. [SPEAKER_03]: We know you guys work too. [SPEAKER_03]: We are glad that you have come to the end of your work day, or maybe if you're second shift or third shift, you're coming to us before you're working, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: We're glad that you're hanging out with us wherever you're coming from.

[SPEAKER_03]: whether that happens to be AM-950 and Minneapolis Saint Paul or the detour talk in Tennessee, maybe you were listening on AM-820 Chicago WCPT or maybe you're listening on progressive voices radio worldwide, whatever you happen to be or maybe maybe you're listening to us from the future on the podcast and you will soon be listening to us in the future on Georgian [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: That is coming up fast.

[SPEAKER_03]: We get to get locked in with Ron Roberts on that, get him back into the bar as well. [SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot of good guests coming up. [SPEAKER_03]: Frangela, obviously tomorrow, which, anytime we can have Frangela in the bar, I'm down with that. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we also happen to be John will be joining us on Thursday. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll leave Greenberg and then, well, [SPEAKER_03]: We can say we can say okay, it's a new show.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because I have to admit the president but one of the presidents is coming. [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of, you know, the president? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of my favorite presidents, Jody, who was on Friday guest? [SPEAKER_09]: Mr. Martin Cheney. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Martin Schene, aka President Bartlett, is coming to the bar to this Friday night.

[SPEAKER_09]: He has a new podcast out, and it's called the Martin Schene podcast, and it premieres on October 26th. [SPEAKER_09]: And so he's going to come on and talk about it. [SPEAKER_09]: He reads poetry. [SPEAKER_09]: It's amazing, and he is one of the nicest human beings I've ever had the pleasure to meet. [SPEAKER_03]: That's very cool. [SPEAKER_03]: We are honored. [SPEAKER_03]: I am definitely honored.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is, uh, and his daughter Renee is producing the show and it's, um, it's, it's, it's lovely. [SPEAKER_09]: He reads poetry. [SPEAKER_09]: It's just, it's, it's, it's very personal. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, it's, it's an amazing, an MSW media. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you, Allison Gil and Kimberly Johnson. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: They're fantastic. [SPEAKER_09]: They're hosting the show. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you, everybody. [SPEAKER_09]: That's lovely.

[SPEAKER_09]: I've listened to the first episode that they dropped. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'd listen to the man read the phone book, but [SPEAKER_03]: you and me both, you and me both, which honestly, that's one of the great things that about having this bar is being able to invite all kinds of different people in here and hang out. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, Karen and Anita will also be with us. [SPEAKER_09]: Also, as every Friday, of course. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then next week, next week, Tim Ross. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: The Tim Ross of exactly of two-voc and other great acting gigs. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, also he's a political, he's really [SPEAKER_09]: He's smart. [SPEAKER_03]: He's, you know, he, it would be interesting to see him and Karen and Anita kind of, you know, interesting to see him go on their show because, I mean, you know, they're all very smart and on top of stuff, which I know he's done Bob's show.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, well, I mean, you know, there we go, Bob's another Bob, by the way, uh, has to do a little thing with the track. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of, you know, track politics, him and Mary, they've got something they've got to do tomorrow. [SPEAKER_03]: So, Bob's is taking another week off tomorrow, but he'll be back next week.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then and then we can talk to him about the the track politics episode and then there are recording tomorrow I think that worked out pretty good or maybe yesterday if you're listening to us in the podcast [SPEAKER_03]: I know what day it's.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know what time is actually it's time for the drink of the day you did this one I normally do them, but you did this one you normally get most of the stuff for the drink of the day, but this this one just kind of came to me I You know, we talked a little bit about it with Julie French element first hour, which [SPEAKER_03]: I like a lot of different bits and pieces from different native tribes, different indigenous tribes across the U.S.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the Wampanag, I've always felt sometimes they get the short into the steck, sometimes people are, you know, they got, why did you take pity on those stupid white people? [SPEAKER_03]: And other times they're like, oh, they were just being nice, like, no, they were being smart. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a whole story. [SPEAKER_09]: They're political about it.

[SPEAKER_09]: They were being [SPEAKER_03]: they were talking all right we've we've got we've got the details in the drink of the day if you want to look you guys could actually you know take a look and read them um the nary ganset they were another tribe that was basically looking to take a note take over the the wapanag's land wapanag by the way the uh uh a quina wapanag are in uh the area now we call Martha's vineyard

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're against it, we're trying to take over that territory. [SPEAKER_03]: But the moment I was like, wait a minute, we got these white people over here. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, these white people can be of some use to us. [SPEAKER_03]: And plus we can help them, you know, maybe a little a garment goodness for us. [SPEAKER_03]: So they help them. [SPEAKER_09]: So they help them grow things, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, considering who the hell makes a long trip. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever take a long car trip when you were a kid, Jodie? [SPEAKER_03]: Like you and your folks and your sisters. [SPEAKER_03]: No? [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: This is a great idea. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe Lonnie knows this one. [SPEAKER_03]: Because I bet if you ask, if you ask Lonnie, he will say more than just the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: He will also say that when you take a long car trip, you have to plan for these things. [SPEAKER_03]: You plan bathroom stops. [SPEAKER_03]: You plan lunches and dinners and things. [SPEAKER_09]: I've done them on my own not with my family, so yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: these white people decided to, you know, I'm gonna get it about for like three full months. [SPEAKER_03]: Go across the ocean, get tossed all over the place, get sick and hell, get to the new world. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know what we're gonna do for food when we get there. [SPEAKER_03]: Seriously? [SPEAKER_03]: Really? [SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_03]: How do you not plan for that?

[SPEAKER_09]: I know, they should have had a minimum of a year's worth of [SPEAKER_03]: Or at least figuring out how they were going to do it. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: How we're going to grow things. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, there's just dumb ass. [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't entirely figure all that out. [SPEAKER_03]: So the one thing I did help their asses. [SPEAKER_03]: And we've got some links to the stories on that. [SPEAKER_03]: The Pilgrim Romp and I piece treaty.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, there's a great holiday today celebrating the ebime. [SPEAKER_03]: which is in the Wabanag and Lenin Linape languages translates to cranberry and the drink of the day is the cranberry rosemary cocktail, which today is cranberry day in the Wabanag nation something to do every second Tuesday in October. [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_03]: You can check the details out. [SPEAKER_03]: It's all in the drink of the day at [SPEAKER_03]: the politics bar.com.

[SPEAKER_03]: Jody, how do we make this wonderfully beautiful rant? [SPEAKER_03]: It's really pretty. [SPEAKER_03]: It is. [SPEAKER_03]: It is. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think kind of tasty. [SPEAKER_09]: It sounds like it. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, because I like cranberry juice and it's good for you if you have a UTI. [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just, you know, going that's good. [SPEAKER_09]: It's good for me in general.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if you have a UTII, maybe you can need to lay off on certain things from go bad just like, you know, the cranberry will help. [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, you need an old fashioned glass. [SPEAKER_10]: Got it. [SPEAKER_09]: A shaker and ice for both the glass and said shaker. [SPEAKER_10]: Got it. [SPEAKER_09]: Announce of quality vodka or if not alcoholic, a splash of soda water. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, so you can do an alcoholic and not an alcoholic version of this. [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: An ounce of quantro or an ounce of orange juice because they taste similar. [SPEAKER_03]: Got it. [SPEAKER_09]: Two ounces of sweet and cranberry juice. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_09]: Two ounces of soda water on top of if you're, you know, staying sober. [SPEAKER_09]: Right. [SPEAKER_09]: The other part. [SPEAKER_09]: Half ounce of fresh lime juice. [SPEAKER_09]: We always like it fresh. [SPEAKER_09]: Everybody always has to be fresh.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the garnish is a sprig of fresh rosemary and a lime wheel. [SPEAKER_03]: Which makes sense. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you got the fresh lime juice, you got from a lime, then you could just cut the lime wheel first. [SPEAKER_03]: It's easy, easy. [SPEAKER_09]: Easy, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_09]: So you add several cubes of ice to the glass and put that to the side. [SPEAKER_09]: You fill your shaker with a third full of ice. [SPEAKER_09]: That's very specific.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: That the vodka, quantro lime juice, cranberry juice to the shaker, and shake vigorously to cool it and combine it. [SPEAKER_09]: Then you pour it with a strainer, I assume, into the glass, and then you garnish with [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_09]: Sounds very yummy. [SPEAKER_03]: It's it is the perfect holiday drink, you know, for for starting through fall holiday is probably all the way through new years. [SPEAKER_03]: It is a fantastic drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: Remember you can do it alcoholic version or you can do it in the non alcoholic. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you could you could literally be making them per glass for different people that hang it out at your house. [SPEAKER_09]: There you go. [SPEAKER_03]: There you go. [SPEAKER_03]: Think about it. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's a good, it's a good way to keep things going.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you missed any part of the drink of the day and easy thing to do, you know, to do subscribe to the politics bar. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Johnny. [SPEAKER_03]: More news of the day. [SPEAKER_03]: So the Trump Republican shutdown continuing obviously Democrats refusing to fold. [SPEAKER_03]: And Tiny Johnson is he's found a new word. [SPEAKER_03]: Boone Dockle. [SPEAKER_09]: I know he's no longer saying red herring.

[SPEAKER_03]: which whatever look. [SPEAKER_03]: The fact of the matter, things have not changed drastically on this. [SPEAKER_03]: It's still the same. [SPEAKER_03]: Democrats still have the three asks that, oh, a matter of fact, actually, we had a comment from Jenny, the archaeologist believe over on Facebook might have been or might have been a blue sky. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember. [SPEAKER_03]: She says, look, it's simple to understand.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even the mainstream media can get this. [SPEAKER_03]: Just say no resisions, no backroom deals, no backsees. [SPEAKER_09]: exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: She's brilliant, Jenny, you're right. [SPEAKER_03]: Because honestly, how hard would it be for mainstream media to say the reason why Democrats can't make a deal with Republicans and Republicans want to go back on it? [SPEAKER_03]: Democrats first condition is no vaccines.

[SPEAKER_03]: No vaccines, fund the ACA, give us back the money for Medicare Medicaid. [SPEAKER_03]: How hard is it to say those three things? [SPEAKER_09]: It's not that difficult. [SPEAKER_09]: And everybody is starting to get like I didn't even if honor

[SPEAKER_03]: notices notice like I did uh... and i mean thankfully it's only ten percent but ten percent if for some people to present remember we had Charles gabby in here he said some folks you know there there's that that that couple he said hypothetical lot i'm sure there there's it's actually real now uh... west Virginia in their sixties um... who may end up paying like eight times as much yeah i mean i'm i'm only up to ten percent more but i'm [SPEAKER_09]: It's going to be over 50.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's going to be over 50. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and with the cost of everything else going up, thanks to Donnie and his, you know, Trumponomics won't even Stephanie was saying that hers is going up to 1,300 and she's in an HMO, right? [SPEAKER_09]: And that's no matter insane. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't matter, all of them are going up because that's the way insurance works.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like we were talking with Julie in the first hour, you push on one thing and affects other things, especially when you're dealing with insurance for the whole nation. [SPEAKER_03]: So the idea that, oh, we can do this and it's only going to hurt Democrats, which is just... That's good. [SPEAKER_09]: That's a lie.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Paul Walman has a great piece in the news on tap in that second round of day saying that Republicans are full of complete crap on the health care issues and it's more obvious every time they talk about it read that read all of that good stuff in there. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, by the way, I don't remember since Julie French Hiller was talking about Christy the gnome. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember was that was that when she was heading out the door.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, christy the gnome's little [SPEAKER_03]: illegal video that she sent out all the airports, yeah, most of them are, no, there's at least five so far and I think the rest are going to start to. [SPEAKER_03]: They all understand that it is a violation of federal law and just to cover their bases. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure their lawyers are saying, don't play it because if, you know, somebody complains, we get an illegal issue or whatever, we can all read the law.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even if Christy the Nome can't, we can read the law and the law says, you don't politicize things like that. [SPEAKER_09]: No. [SPEAKER_09]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Common sense to not go down that rabbit hole, but, you know, that's. [SPEAKER_09]: whether there are some airports and hopefully the rest of them will follow suit like LAX has yet to follow suit, Burbank.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they're doing it but look everybody this this is the key and and I think we're hearing it from a lot of folks is courageous contagious as much as cowardice and fear aren't. [SPEAKER_03]: So if you stand up the next person will stand up. [SPEAKER_03]: If the airport over here says no we ain't doing that because we know it's illegal and the other airport says we know that one of that one did it.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're also our lawyers are looking the same table saying no. [SPEAKER_03]: that's how it works. [SPEAKER_03]: That's how you stand up to fascism, which we got more details on doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: Here we've got a lot more in the news on tap. [SPEAKER_03]: Your Dodgers won last night. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not either doing tonight. [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen the score tonight, but we'll cover the politics news, the entertainment news, and more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, just like, call me the message. [SPEAKER_03]: You'll be fine, it's all good. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Tuesday night, Jodie. [SPEAKER_03]: We got more news on tap today. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the hell Trump and his regime think they're doing with some of these attacks. [SPEAKER_03]: Which one? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's just it. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Once again, Joe is right. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but especially the letting his ice monsters do stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're they're getting violent and they think that they're not going to get caught. [SPEAKER_09]: Some of them don't. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I get it that that that there's a good piece that's in the news on tap today from Ann Applom that writes about the ice violence in Chicago is real, but it's also made for Instagram. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: They think all of this is for social media.

[SPEAKER_03]: They think all of this is for Instagram and YouTube and and I'm going and I get that. [SPEAKER_03]: But this is not you know entertainment, you know TV and movies and theater. [SPEAKER_03]: people can actually get really hurt in this. [SPEAKER_03]: People can die. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, violence is the, this is not a joke folks.

[SPEAKER_09]: So these people are, I mean, there's a shot I saw of some ice guy fully messed up in a humveer, whatever he was driving and somebody was shooting him on their phone. [SPEAKER_09]: And he pointed his gun at them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Which, first of all, if you have any respect for weapons, [SPEAKER_03]: You never point a weapon at someone unless you are willing to pull the trigger and you damn better seriously, if you point a weapon to somebody you damn better and have a good reason for it because he was threatening this person obviously and what to what they were shooting there you can legally record right law enforcement if you don't want people to see you doing [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, like my mother has said, we've said this round the bar a number of times. [SPEAKER_03]: If it hurts when you do that, don't do that. [SPEAKER_03]: If it hurts when you get caught for doing things that aren't legal, don't do illegal things. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Punnished. [SPEAKER_03]: Shouldn't be difficult. [SPEAKER_03]: But these are the same people who claim that they voted for Trump because they, you know, I wanted to say any end word.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, and now you're your food costs are three times as high and you're housing costs are two times as high and well, I think I said this yesterday somebody I know in Alabama, Alabama, he has a landscaping company, and he voted for Donald, and now he's going, he didn't.

[SPEAKER_09]: he didn't think that when he said I'm going to deport all these people that it would be I don't know law-abiding citizens or law-abiding people that might not have documentation that's a lot of that there's something the immigration war section two of the news on tap today

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, the long and short is when you attack people that are local folks, there was a local Chicago resident, you know, those you see on WCPT, immigrant from El Salvador, been here like 40 years or whatever, I find him $130 for not carrying his ID. [SPEAKER_09]: And apparently that is a thing, but nobody enforces that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just it is that they this goes back to the whole thing of they think that they can enforce I'm going to enforce laws on you, but I don't have to abide by them. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, you are so sorely mistaken. [SPEAKER_09]: Looks like the journalist that was thrown to the ground and she gave her name and she goes, can I have your name?

[SPEAKER_09]: And they said no. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they're going to, I mean, she's suing him the alderman, they attacked if you guys don't know an alderman is like a city council person. [SPEAKER_03]: So there is a Chicago alderman Jesse Fuentes, who was thrown to the ground, too.

[SPEAKER_03]: She was, she was, she was standing up for one of her constituents and saying, you know, I need your name, basically she was asked them, I need your name, so we can, you know, log this stuff, whatever, and they. [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely nothing violent. [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's video out there. [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's a link in the the news on tap.

[SPEAKER_03]: You can check that out today too And cover she's soon as asked good [SPEAKER_03]: I hope she sees him, and I hope she gets a ruling that says he can no longer be involved in law enforcement. [SPEAKER_09]: I hope so, because he's done a bunch of other things too. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not the first time he's done stuff apparently.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, but if you've spent your entire career, your entire professional career, 15 years, 20 years, 30 years, doing something, and now suddenly you are legally barred from doing that thing for the rest of your life. [SPEAKER_03]: You realize the kind of damage that you're doing to your own life. [SPEAKER_03]: You are literally blowing up your life because I just want to take this one and throw her to scratch and just shut up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, now you did, you didn't think about what you were doing. [SPEAKER_03]: Boy, you got a lot to think about now. [SPEAKER_03]: You can't be doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: We can't be doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad that Julie mentioned us in the first hour about how you have to think about how things go seven generations out. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and that the fact that these these half ashes are purposely trying to anger us. [SPEAKER_03]: They want us to react.

[SPEAKER_03]: So then they can apply force. [SPEAKER_09]: I know that's why on Saturday, everybody be peaceful. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, take Malcolm Nance's advice. [SPEAKER_03]: The best thing is while you're getting ready and making your posters, and we've got a link to the no-king site in the news on Tap today, so you can go, you need graphics, it's all there.

[SPEAKER_03]: But also, get your playlist handy, get your posters ready, get your costumes ready, make sure that, you know, you can get them. [SPEAKER_03]: You can get them. [SPEAKER_09]: You can get them. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: have fun. [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's very hard for a lot of people. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't say everybody, but it's hard for a lot of people to be big mean bullies. [SPEAKER_03]: If somebody is making them laugh, I don't necessarily mean laughing at them.

[SPEAKER_03]: You want to get them to laugh too. [SPEAKER_03]: And you also want to get them to be like, you know what, those folks are having fun. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just standing over here being mean and being angry. [SPEAKER_03]: Why am I angry?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's the it's something that a number of people have pointed out with the no kings protests um... Republicans are trying to avoid saying the name of the protest yes they're saying it's the anti-America is that what no Johnson said yeah i'm america that's what he said hate him yes tiny tiny johnson said that it was the the hate america protest actually uh... bernie sander senator sander's hand had a little rejoinder had a little video that he put out about this it is here only put this up on the DVR here no speaker johnson

[SPEAKER_01]: The No Kings rally on October 18th is not a hate America rally. [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it's quite the country. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a love America rally. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a rally of millions of people all of this country who believe in our Constitution, who believe in American freedom, and are not going to let you and Donald Trump turn this country into an authoritarian society.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a group of people who are disgusted that you and your friends want to double healthcare premiums in this country and take healthcare away from 15 million Americans. [SPEAKER_01]: The right to protest is what America is about. [SPEAKER_01]: You are not going to stop us. [SPEAKER_09]: No. [SPEAKER_09]: Go Bernie. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Senator Sanders. [SPEAKER_03]: Very much. [SPEAKER_03]: Senator Sanders is right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Also, the right to protest [SPEAKER_09]: it's in the first amendment. [SPEAKER_09]: Yes it is. [SPEAKER_03]: It comes before that blessed second amendment. [SPEAKER_03]: It's literally there right at the top first amendment right to protest. [SPEAKER_09]: Are we going to have to enforce the third amendment when ice officials want to move into my house?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to have to know all of our mad that is something you guys should do is is know the laws where you're at Know the laws about protesting where you can be what you can say and do these are all important things make sure that you're informed I got a good advice My friend Romi put a video out she got it from somebody else this he's a lawyer.

[SPEAKER_09]: He said look if you're an American citizen and you get [SPEAKER_09]: say, arrested by an ICE person, if you don't have your passport or a passport card on you to prove that you're a citizen, say, I'm an American citizen, I'm not going to answer any questions, lawyer and I'm not signing anything. [SPEAKER_09]: and just be very calm about it. [SPEAKER_09]: Don't yell, just be, I'm an American citizen. [SPEAKER_09]: Here's my name.

[SPEAKER_09]: You can give them your name, because joy. [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm not answering any other questions and I'm not signing anything, because that's very important. [SPEAKER_03]: And lawyer, just say lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer. [SPEAKER_03]: It's, they are not invincible. [SPEAKER_03]: They are by any stretch of the imagination, not invincible. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure that the protests will be overwhelming. [SPEAKER_03]: Please, please, please, please.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you guys plan for it. [SPEAKER_03]: Make sure you've got everything as planned as much as you can. [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, technically, if you have a real ID, doesn't that make you a citizen? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, because you have to have the right documents to prove your citizenship to get a state-level ID that has the little real ID symbol on it. [SPEAKER_09]: Which is ridiculous, but whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: and you uh... there is more news in the news on tap um... latisha james data first public appearance oh yes she was all on it uh... last night uh... she was at a rally for zornman denny who i'm very glad and uh... this is a first public appearance since the trump d o j's illegitimate indictment of her and uh... this is the kind of spirit that we all should be having right now link play this one the d br to hang on

[SPEAKER_04]: You see, I know what it feels like to be attacked for just doing your job, but I also know what it feels like to overcome adversity. [SPEAKER_04]: And so I stand on solid rock. [SPEAKER_04]: And I will not bow, I will not break, I will not bend, I will not capitulate, I will not give in, I will not give up. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is exactly the way it should be. [SPEAKER_03]: And we all should be staying there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, you know, I know, sometimes we get, we tend to do this on our side, but down we get, it's easy to get down. [SPEAKER_03]: you know you can get down just don't get down exactly get the right music you can get down all you want that's fine just don't get down so you can get down just don't get down

[SPEAKER_03]: some of you were like, I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[SPEAKER_03]: And as I got older, I'm like, no, they're actually some okay disco, you know, there was, yes, there was, you know, some garbage, too. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm a big fan of hair bands. [SPEAKER_03]: There were some garbage music and hair band there. [SPEAKER_09]: Have you ever seen a band called the Boogie Knights? [SPEAKER_03]: I might have.

[SPEAKER_09]: they have franchiseed out there's like a bunch of different booky night spans but they used to play okay that's why I'm that's why I'm confused yeah they used to play at a hardcore metal bar in North Hollywood and it was pure disco and they were dressed like in Elvis suits okay and some had I mean the wigs and all of that and I remember the first night I saw them it was she's 30 something years ago

[SPEAKER_09]: And all these like people that live metal, you know, this band comes out and they are really good musicians and they had every disco song that we all made fun of in 1976 through 1981 down Pat. [SPEAKER_09]: And they just started at this dive, metal bar in North Hollywood and now they've franchiseed out.

[SPEAKER_09]: So if you ever get a chance to see any band called the [SPEAKER_03]: look it's a fun music is fun music regardless of of you know what what the genre is so uh which brings us to something it's in the fifth round today in the entertainment uh I said to say d'Angelo Grammy winner R&B icon had some great hits man um he said he was young man died of cancer 51 today maybe [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, that's that kind of that sucks.

[SPEAKER_03]: Also, Drew Strusion, you may know that name, Joe, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: He's an iconic movie poster guy. [SPEAKER_03]: Get all kinds of Spielberg and Lucas loved to have him. [SPEAKER_03]: He had Alzheimer's kind of pulled away out of the public eye here a few years ago. [SPEAKER_03]: He passed away today also at 78. [SPEAKER_03]: So, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's too too young, but that happens.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some good numbers, though, music, why Taylor Swift's the life of a show girl, her new album, has made history by selling 4 million copies in its first week. [SPEAKER_03]: I have to admit, I have an half a copy. [SPEAKER_09]: What's interesting is because she was interviewed about people not liking the record and she was like, look, I appreciate everybody listening to it.

[SPEAKER_09]: When you like any criticism, I understand it, but I like this record and thank you for listening and [SPEAKER_09]: She's like, cool with that. [SPEAKER_03]: She's she's like, she should be, it's like, you know, you're like a great. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't like it. [SPEAKER_03]: Great. [SPEAKER_03]: At least you listen to it. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you very much, you know, and she gets it, you know, she's just sweater 11th or 12th record or something like 12th.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's, it's, look, it's not, you know, everybody's stuff is not everybody else's stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, especially on stuff like music and books and that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_09]: Even if you like Taylor Swift, you might not like every record she's ever going to make. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, don't yuck somebody else's young. [SPEAKER_03]: They like the record, you know, let them enjoy it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't don't be a douchebag and be like, hey, let's have socks and disco socks. [SPEAKER_03]: Because guess what? [SPEAKER_03]: A few years down the road, life changes, and you may be like, you know, what kind of like this disco, if I like this Taylor's, maybe Taylor Swift will do a disco like song. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know. [SPEAKER_10]: So, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we do have one more round. [SPEAKER_03]: It is a Tuesday night here at the politics bar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's over at that corner of the bar over by Rick. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about Rick. [SPEAKER_03]: Rick left us a message by the way. [SPEAKER_03]: You guys can do that too on any of our social media. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Rick's a good guy. [SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, excellent. [SPEAKER_03]: If you need to leave a message for us, kind of always get. [SPEAKER_03]: Reach out to us on social media, blue sky, threads, Twitter, Instagram, Substack, or Facebook.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know where we're at? [SPEAKER_03]: We're at the politics bar. [SPEAKER_03]: So okay Rick by the way left us a great review. [SPEAKER_03]: He says politics bars a great show. [SPEAKER_03]: It goes over the news on a daily basis Says they have great host great guests great commentary on politics and news and even a little education and maybe how journalism should be practiced [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's my praise there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Also said he loves the daily drinks of the day and they're a bonus because if anything, they not like give you the recipe, but they also have a unique history of how the drinks came to be. [SPEAKER_03]: So Rick, we really thank you very much. [SPEAKER_09]: She ate that. [SPEAKER_09]: Rick, you're you're a nice guy. [SPEAKER_09]: We like you. [SPEAKER_03]: Rick exactly exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, Rick, you are like our favorite pools. [SPEAKER_03]: There is no pee with you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, growing up on my best friend's name was Rick, and so we would always jokingly say, you know, he's like the pool, and so we'd say, wait, and you go, well, there's no P in front of it. [SPEAKER_09]: I just can't even react to that. [SPEAKER_09]: That's just, I know. [SPEAKER_03]: That was always one of my favorite jokes back in school, too, because you know, what are you doing this summer? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to the pool. [SPEAKER_03]: You're coming to the pool.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why would you want to go to one that has P in it? [SPEAKER_03]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I [SPEAKER_03]: That's that that's how it works. [SPEAKER_03]: You'd be like it's bet and then then if I get blame for it I be like no, I didn't do Sean on politics bars. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to do with this. [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I mean.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do it [SPEAKER_03]: uh... goodness so okay news on tap there is a lot of stuff today uh... we've covered a lot of it today uh... we kind of glossed over the trumponomic stuff uh... so trump with his trade war stuff he says he might or might not and act a hundred percent more tariff on trade china i didn't get it in there today but china's basically like any time bring it any time you feel in friday and you're less no because china china knows that Donald's thing is taco

[SPEAKER_03]: Trump always chickens out. [SPEAKER_09]: Also, he likes to manipulate the stock market. [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we're pretty sure that some of his family members have been in need. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, hi, Baron. [SPEAKER_09]: Hello, Baron. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_03]: There was, did I, did we get this one in there in a foreign affairs? [SPEAKER_03]: I think so. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, we did.

[SPEAKER_03]: So at the meeting in Egypt, the president of Indonesia was there. [SPEAKER_03]: There were people from all over the world there, because I mean, you know, the efforts to get the ceasefire, it's not a peace plan exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: You can see why that's stories on that also in the foreign affairs section at the news on tap. [SPEAKER_03]: The President of Indonesia was there and asked Trump to connect him with Trump's son, Eric.

[SPEAKER_03]: That surprised me for a lot of reasons. [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, Dr. Hold actually remembered that he had a son named Eric. [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe the President reminded him of that of Indonesia perhaps. [SPEAKER_03]: There's that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess, Eric is involved in this new Trump tower in Indonesia or something, which it's a private venture. [SPEAKER_03]: So you ask one president to another about a personal, that's a big no no that's illegal.

[SPEAKER_03]: But of course, you know, we know that they don't give a damn about legal or illegal in the current Trump regime. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and with Baron Trump short selling.

[SPEAKER_03]: but that's just it's we're talking about these people are just they're so corrupt and unfortunately I mean look Trump is ramping up this trade war on the same day that there are new tariffs on lumber and furniture so if maybe you're involved in a house or maybe you're building something else maybe you're going your favorite home improvement store [SPEAKER_03]: You know, whether it happens being blows or the home despaught or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: I always used to jokingly call out front of my work there back in the day. [SPEAKER_03]: And I went out of his joke and said, Oh, you are going to work. [SPEAKER_03]: He'd say, yes, we are going to work at the home despaught. [SPEAKER_03]: You will have shag carpeting on the walls because this is the home despaught. [SPEAKER_03]: V decorating for you. [SPEAKER_03]: I know, that's another.

[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, look, whatever your favorite home improvement store is, uh, you go there and lumber's going to be more expensive if you buy in furniture for many where that's going to be more expensive too, uh, thank Trump on that, uh, and U.S. [SPEAKER_03]: consumers are now bearing more than half the cost of the tariff so far according to Goldman Sachs. [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's not sorry, I'm surprised it's not a hundred percent of it, but go on.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're saying by next year by next January or February. [SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking three four months. [SPEAKER_09]: It'll probably be up to somewhere around 70% because companies are not going to not pass along this tax. [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of them try to initially and [SPEAKER_03]: Some companies bought a lot in advance. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you notice the California corner of the bar. [SPEAKER_03]: I noticed it here in the DC Virginia Maryland corner of the bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you go to like a grocery store, Walmart or whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: And I can still go there sometimes. [SPEAKER_03]: He's to work here one point anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: Target, although I have issues with that anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: You'd notice that they put out the Halloween stuff way early this year. [SPEAKER_09]: Oh no, Christmas stuff is already out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah by now absolutely which usually it is brown you know like this the early part of October but they put out the Halloween stuff basically almost like at the beginning of August yeah here too the reason why they did it is because they bought a lot of these big retailers bought a lot of stuff for the holidays way in advance because they knew it was going to be expensive and they knew the Trump was going to screw around with the tariffs mm-hmm

[SPEAKER_03]: So they put out stuff as much as they can because they they don't have the room right that's why they've been pushing that thing is is there's only so far they could buy in advance basically it was about nine 10 months maybe 11 months in advance So they bought at the beginning when Trump was threatening to and started to screw around with things [SPEAKER_03]: that's going to be done.

[SPEAKER_03]: So all those companies that basically bought when the prices were lower when they need to replenish now because of the tariffs the prices are going to be much higher for them to purchase what they need even if they've tried not to pass on the full cost of the tariffs. [SPEAKER_09]: Like Easter stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the stuff back they go Easter and fourth of July stuff and whatever They are absolutely going to be passing on the full cost of that stuff now.

[SPEAKER_09]: They may have tried to ease into it But especially as we head towards the end of the year in the beginning of next year, then have a choice at that point Well, I mean, of course they don't because they have shareholders that want to be in profit You know, it's just their their fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders is profit

[SPEAKER_03]: Love it or hate it, I still think there needs to be, you know, more rules as far as as ethical as far as what we agree with you, but they aren't the ones putting the tax on. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's just it. [SPEAKER_03]: They're not all of these come and it comes not just from Trump, but it comes from Republicans in Congress who refuse to take their power back. [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we've, you and I've talked about this before on and off here. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just one of those where this is, this is the cost of Republican cowardice. [SPEAKER_03]: Mads' three toes has been still railing up a storm about the ACA stuff because she knows that the people in her, she is in an extremely red district in Georgia. [SPEAKER_03]: Very safe for her, you would think.

[SPEAKER_03]: But her people are pissed because they're seeing their healthcare premiums come in and they're mad. [SPEAKER_03]: So she is going to bat for them because she knows there is life after Trump. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you got to plan for these kinds of things. [SPEAKER_09]: No, she, she wants to be re-elected because she knows there's power in that and there's money in that and she, as dumb as she can come off, she's not a stupid politician.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, and I think that's something that many people, some people don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I know you know this journey from the entertainment field. [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of actor is the best actor to play stupid? [SPEAKER_03]: Smart ones. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Jodie is right. [SPEAKER_09]: Like a good singer can pretend to be a bad singer. [SPEAKER_03]: Because they're a good singer. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Same thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Marjorie Taylor Greene as dumb as she appears to be and as much as she pisses everybody off, she's not dumb. [SPEAKER_09]: No, she's a smart politician. [SPEAKER_09]: I will always give her that. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't like her, except for a couple of things recently. [SPEAKER_09]: Um, but no, she's not a dumb person. [SPEAKER_09]: She just is loud and [SPEAKER_03]: There are Latin people on all sides, whether you've side with the Trump folks, the megaphoaxer, whether you don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: There are people who are in other parts of the world that we don't even know who are allowed in a democracy. [SPEAKER_03]: In their own languages, in their own countries, in their own, what a Latin democracy is not something that Americans bow guard. [SPEAKER_03]: We do not have the corner of the market on that folks.

[SPEAKER_03]: But in order to be somebody who actually understands how to be a good politician and be smart like that, [SPEAKER_03]: you do have to kind of read the room. [SPEAKER_03]: And she is clearly reading the room. [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the other Republicans are to, I still think the national media, the mainstream news media, the biggest problem is that they're still missing the fact that Republicans still want to Welsh on a deal.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: they still want to watch on the deal. [SPEAKER_03]: They still want to be able to go back and whatever deal they make do like we were talking about earlier like Jenny the article just said to us on social media. [SPEAKER_03]: She said hey no resisions no back room deals no back seats. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what we need to get get the mainstream media do and feel free call email send a note to your favorite local media to your favorite.

[SPEAKER_03]: you know, larger media if you can find them on social media, maybe you interact occasionally with some of those people and say, look, it's really simple. [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, Republicans have to agree no back seats. [SPEAKER_03]: Second of all, Republicans have to agree to give back, you know, to the ACA subsidies and third, Republicans have to agree to give back the Medicare and Medicaid money. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. [SPEAKER_03]: Here's your example.

[SPEAKER_09]: Of course, they could pass the bill tomorrow. [SPEAKER_09]: They don't need Democrats to pass this bill. [SPEAKER_09]: The Senate just had John Thun just has to come in, get 51 votes to overcome just for this bill, the filibuster and. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's just, it's just carefully how it's worded. [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_09]: Just for this one bill, this is what we're going to do.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to overcome the filibuster blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_09]: Be very specific about it. [SPEAKER_09]: It's not. [SPEAKER_03]: the new corruption as they call it, which is where you, you know, blow up the filibuster forever and ever and ever. [SPEAKER_09]: No, this is for this one bill, and it can be done tomorrow, but guess who's not at work. [SPEAKER_03]: Republicans, Democrats actually, they're, they're here at the DC end of the bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: They are, they work. [SPEAKER_03]: Democrats are here, Democrats has Democrats in the Senate. [SPEAKER_03]: Some of them are, you know, have gone, but they, they are all on the weekend anyway, so it's whatever, but [SPEAKER_03]: Well, but now that it's Tuesday, I mean, the thing is that there's a thing called 24-hour rule. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you're familiar with this or not.

[SPEAKER_03]: But in Congress, where each of the caucuses, the Republican and the Democratic caucus and whatever the independents are caucusing with, they're all, it's kind of on an email, text, thread, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: And you can go home and be home for a while. [SPEAKER_03]: But if you go home and you're on a 24-hour rule, that means that you can't go out to the hinterlands and be far away. [SPEAKER_09]: And at least within a day's flight. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, correct.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where they're at now. [SPEAKER_03]: So even the Democrats who may be at home are on 24-hour rule. [SPEAKER_03]: And the minute the Schumer and Jeffrey say, come back, we got a deal. [SPEAKER_09]: Done. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, um, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Republicans are not on a 24-hour rule in the house. [SPEAKER_09]: No, they're on vacation. [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's, um, if Tiny Johnson is screaming at you, do you sound thing?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Tiny Johnson, maybe you should, uh, you know, talk to Johnston. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows that there are two people who are stopping the government from being reopened. [SPEAKER_03]: Tiny Johnson and Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_03]: None of those are Democrats, by the way. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, guys, it is the end of the evening here tomorrow. [SPEAKER_03]: Franchal is gonna be here, which, yes, excited about that.

[SPEAKER_03]: In the Greenberg is gonna be here Thursday with John Fugelsang, and of course Friday, the President's. [SPEAKER_03]: President Bartlett kind of President Bartlett Martin Sheen will be here and of course Karen and Anita too That's a good week.

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