Players Lounge: Enough Offensive Firepower?

Dallas Cowboys. Knewe Scrugs, I'm your hosts. Where we're rolling with this thing for a good hour talking football and other things, and and other. Speaking of other things, let me let me tell you a little bit about McCrae man. Let me tell you about McRae man. So over the weekend, I see my man over there, schlab and these ribs up, got the crawlfish, got the what else you had over the corn potato, all that goodness, all that goodness. So I reached out. I'm like, yo, keep bringing something up

for you know what I man? New He just you know, bring a little plate up for us. My bad said not, let me don't mess with y'all like that. I said, Oh, let me tell you first of all, let me explain. So my grandfather came down, who was a Vietnam Vet. He came down, uh, and that's the first time I've seen on about four years. So he came down with my mom, my auntie, my cousin came over. So all that food you've seen was split between like nine and two.

It was gonna a time, two ribs, two pieces of chicken, and it's a macaroni that was, you know. So he and Miami, you know, talking about bring me a plate up to the star like my bad, I thought, you know, my bad usually throwing down on the stuff. But let's

let's let's get so just so you know, Neui. Memorial Day is a huge, huge day, for a huge weekend for for athletes, specifically for NFL athletes, because you get the lone weekend and it's right before you go in to your the second week of ots and me ke stuff. So everybody gets that little camaraderie, you know, and then they usually land in Vegas or my auntie, depending on how much money you got. My man Church went to Miammie you know, and that's and it's expensive about that, Okay, Vegas,

you can kind of get away with some stuff. We used to have some days. More day used to be a fun time. You used to come back all type of dehydra number the voca to keep you here talking about I'll tell you he knows that whole that tool was. That was that Wednesday practice. Man, that was nothing. Everybody was in there, you as was not even practice. Everybody was dehydrated. I need I need to lecture lights. Give me the IV, give me the high v We just

warmed up. We didn't practice. But that's how it is. You just landed Monday night trying to catch up on Tuesday Wednesday. You like, look here, man, all I'm trying to do is not pull a muscle. The most packed room in the locker room gonna be that sauna. Everybody and their mom piling into that sauna trying to get it out there pours. Man. It's rough, man, it's rough, but but it's but it's needed though, you know, because you're going into the season to be here, and once

the season is here, you rolling you ain't going nowhere. Okay, So so this is good. This is good. I'm glad we have this conversation. You guys were Vets. A rookie's falling into the same thing of having enjoyed the Memorial or that weekend too much. Well, no, I don't know about too much. I know that if you're a rookie that you should probably be staying in the city that you're playing in and enjoying those Memorial Day festivt. It's a long weekend. Yes, you got to get away from

the game. You can go have your drink, go chill with some family, eat some barbecue, stuff like that. But yeah, if you a VET and you you know your way around that, you know your body, you know what you're getting into, then yeah, do what you gotta do because you should be responsible enough to know yourself. And exactly like you said, if you rookie, you gotta stay around

this area. But also the Vets, if they missed OTA here and there, you know they're not gonna get too We ain't gonna get to too much after the vest. Like if the law missed the OTA, he'll come back, he'll be the back to. If a rookie, man, you hearing about it for the whole week you was here on Monday. You would have saw that you was here on Monday, you would have saw that. So Memorial Day they expect you to build it. That's yeah. I know the week, that next week, that next week, miss you,

miss you come back. Hey man, coach, I think I need to sit out of practice to day. I might have I need a VET day. Then you're a rookie and you have that issue, then you got a problem. That's why it's you know, voluntary, voluntary, voluntary, voluntary man tour exactly, that exactly. Shout out to Lamark Jackson for reminded everybody. Yes, they are voluntary. They voluntary. Leave me alone when an MVP you can say that, Yeah you can.

You can say that in league start for quarterbacks. Yes, you can decide to do the Kyler Murray's not showing him. You can do that. You can do that, you know. But if these rookies out here or or you're you know, you're tered still, you need to be here. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, you need to be here. You need to be ready to go, especially you know, you know we're talking about the officer lines. You know how how we performed last year at that position. Yes, we need to be getting

all of the practice that we possibly can. And if you're in competition with somebody, you don't want to get the other person get that leg up like I'm making sure I'm in if I'm battling with another stake that I'm making sure I'm at all the ota, all the practices. I'm over there. What's up, coach? And now let's talk about this for a little bit, y'all. You want to break this down. Even though I knew how to you know what what the coverage was? This new this new thing.

What we're doing here, coach? How are we doing this? To be sitting there asking you? Yeah, so he covered three I'll be like, bro, you've been running even though you don't want to know that. He looked like he like he into into a coach, I'm into fifteen yards. But what if this happens there's somebody get over route mark play fifteen? What if I want to move back to sixteen? I'm good then, right, coach, I'll be like church, church, exact place, church years six. Don't look at this, dude,

like your church. When we do what disguises, We've been doing the same disguise for the past three years. I just need to know that's how we're doing. You just want them to know. When they had the meetings and they talked old churches, you know what he not. That guy knows what he's doings. Can we get three four churches? He asked church as a leader. He no, that's dude, that's the total. And then there's a thing line because he'd be like, man, I don't know when church? That

would you think about church? And said code, I don't know. He's still asked me about covering three. He's in year eight asking me how how many how many deep defenders we got to cover the sand? For the dollar fruit he got the group, he got the bathroom shot. Obviously you got two bags. Now this is because the bag here wasn't as big as the one shot got him. Y'all be sleeping on the first twelve that he got. Okay, he was twelve plus one shot the boys. I can't

there on the school to boys like man. I have noticed, DUDEY ain't doing what I think he's doing. I'm just scooting, just scooting the long happy. Yeah, I'll tell you what man, players Lash Hotel, Barry Church, Danny mc craig knew we scrugs. I want to read these names to you, and I just want to get your reaction, okay, Uh, Dennis Houston, Jaquari Robertson, Michael Gallup, Tie Fry Fogel, t J Vasher, Jalen Tilbert, do Ontario, Drummond, Brandon Smith, Semi Fit Hoko,

James Washington, Noah Brown, Ceedee Lamb. Those are your receivers right now on the roster, twelve of them. Shelman, thoughts, do we think that that that receiving cord that you just named off or aout the receiving core because a lot of those cats won't make the team, But that receiving group right there, do we think they can do some damage? I mean, Gallabay might not even be there for the first five weeks, Semi for Hoko, who hasn't had to catch his whole rookie season. We got Toldbert

he's a rookie, Ceedee Lamb. He's proved that he can do some damage in this league. But can't he do it by himself when he doesn't have somebody over there taking some coverage away from him? Can he do that? We have to find out. But to me, that receiving corps it's locking some some some pop, some explosiveness. A man.

If I'm a secondary, If I'm in a play for the Eagles or the Giants and I'm in their secondary and we going against Dallas, I'm like, ain't no, you know there, ain't no. You gotta match this guy over here, you gotta match that guy over there. I would feel extremely confident in my secondary going against going against Dods cow Boys. I'm just that's just high dealing. Yeah, I'm I'm feeling pretty good about about going against the Cowboys

if I'm playing defensive back. You know, on paper, right, we haven't we haven't seen a lot of these guys be able to get out there and see what they could do with that. Like I said James Washington, he has the ability to be a good receiver if he catches the ball right. Once he gets the ball in his hands, he's fine. Ceedee lamb. We know can be a top player. They just have to be able to utilize him in the ways that he is best utilized. Right, So when he gets the ball in his hands, he

is unstoppable pretty much. Right. You get him some bubble screens, you get him some short passes, let him catch and run. I think he's okay. None of this matters though, all right, because like I'm going to continue to say, it depends on what the offensive coordinator does with these weapons. What are we going to do? Are we going to make sure, like I said, when it's third and five, it's CD Lamb gonna get the ball. Are we gonna see Noah Brown be one of the guys that Dak is looking for? Right?

Are you going to make sure that you the reason why you picked CD Lamb in the first round because you wanted him to be a des Brian type player. Are you going to allow him to be that? Because what we've seen was they didn't allow Amark Cooper to do that. So until you get that together, it don't matter who you got playing receiver. Man, they just gonna be running the roster's on the paper and they're gonna be expecting Dad to make the right read and those

guys to catch the ball. But as far as like one of those stars who was going to change the game, if you ain't called them the right plays, then we're not gonna see it that way. We've seen it throughout the league, especially last year. If you got that bona fide stud receiver. You gotta found ways to give him the ball. I mean, we looked at La what Stafford does with Cooper cup He got the Triple Cown for receiving yards, touchdowns, receptions. He was a big part of

that offense. Did you look at DeVonta you Adams in Denver or not Denver in Green Bay? And I'm not saying we had those pieces. But the way that we're putting CD CD Lamb on a pedestal saying he's just number one guy and he's an upgrade over Mark Cooper and all this stuff, you would think they would they would figure out a way to specialize this guy and make him get the ball as much as possible. But I'm not sure we're gonna do that. They pay a Mark Cooper twenty million a year and did not and

they still didn't give us what I'm saying. They still didn't give him the rock like like like we thought they should. So it's gotta be a tough situation, but you got it. If it's Kelling Moore, you got to figure like, this is the guy that's gonna make our passing attack go, So we gotta figure out a way to get him the ball. And he's got it can't be scheme over player. It has to be player over scheme.

And if we're getting bubble screens and deep overs in those special plays, it needs to be going to number eighty eight. Dalton shows may get more kids than CD LAMB and if they run the same office they do, we run it like we ran it last year. He would be he who have more kids. I can see that happening too. So last week we saw James Washington in the boot. I practice, what was that on about? And ain't looking too good that he's in the boot?

Big T Smith, Go Okay. I thought we was gonna wait for I thought he was gonna wait for that, wait that wa that wait for that wait wait, wait, wait for that wait. But my man's in the boot, So I mean it's but for him. I don't think he has that much of an injury history for us to be really worried about it, like saying it is voluntary OTAs. At the moment, I still think he's gonna

be able to pick up with the offenses. I think his one the one knock on him to me from what I've seen from him when he was in Pittsburgh, was being able to hold onto the ball, being able to catch the ball. He's usually in the right spot, he's usually when he catches, he usually usually going to make a play or run after the catch. But he has to hold on to the ball. And I think that just goes with refocusing and getting on those jugs.

And I don't think that him being in the boot right now it's gonna set him back as much as it was set maybe a Tyler Smith and he he was in the boot right now when he really needs to be out there learning his footwork and getting his hand placement right. You don't think James and that need

to get that connection going throughout this ota. I think I think they do, But I don't think it's something that will stop him from being that type of player, because, like I said, if he's going to get the routes like we see, we've seen guys like nor Brown stepping in last year. When you say that they got a connection, they've been it wasn't like Amari Cooper and it wasn't like Ceedee Lamb, Like They're gonna find a way for the guy to get open on some routes. He just

needs to know the playbook. So I think he's gonna be fine. So that's the right set the wide receiver room and seeing people talk about that, there's question marks and that's going to be a very interesting UM as they continue. The olt isn't going to minicamp here is what are they going to do? Especially week one, UM two and three, because that's when Michael Gallus right now not expected to be a part of this lineup. So

let's see what happened to here. I think a lot of a lot of talking heads are bringing up Jalen Tolbert, and I just feel like it's a lot to try to put a third round rookie from South Alabama that I just that's a lot a lot. That's a lot. Man. Is this a guy that was like, I'm coming in to change the culture? Is that was that him who was coming to here to change the car? Thinking about how the coach is in the officeive coordinating with me.

I don't know. Like I said, listen, when I see him be able to line up guys so he can use whatever they do best to get them, you know, in the end zone, to get him the first down, then I'm okay with that. But until I see that, I'm not with it. I've seen Cde Lamb run like two jet sweeps and he was on any other team. All Right, the dude would be getting the ball in his hands any way you could get it to him. He's great with the ball after you know, after catch

yards have to catch. He's one of the best in the league in my opinion. It's just can't we get him the ball. That's the that's that's that's the whole the ball couldn't get cooped. Yeah, career, Yeah, get about. Let's move to that offensive line. I got conversation for the Cowboys is otaser continuing here out at the start where we do the show, some possible good news for the offensive line, not just the Cowboys officer, but for for thirty offensive lines across the thirty one offensive lines

in the NFL. Aaron Donald's talking about he may retire, Like, okay, many played on this right here on the schedule. Is this is why it matters because they are on the schedule October ninth, just out there and uh and uh that awesome stadium in Englewood. So yeah, October nine, Rams Cowboys three twenty five on Fox. So Aaron Donald may not be there, don't get your hopes up. I'll tell you who better hope he ain't there. How about okay,

the whole league retire. Yeah, go ahead, I'm for it. Aaron, get out while your kids be like Jim Brown, he accomplished everything in eight years. Defensive Player of the Year I been. But the thing is, Man, when guys are still playing at that level and they start talk about retiring the minute they sit out for a month two months and they realized that, Man, I can still do

this and I'm actually bored at home. Good time. That's what they so I wouldn't get my hopes up to man just coming off a Super Bowl, just came off a great season to where he's making some of the biggest plays to get them to get them that win the Super Bowl. Yeah, I don't know. His father in law's on on the staff. His white worked for the I don't know, Man, I think he's still around the squad too much. He can have a lot of people in his ear saying, hey, man, I think we could

do this again. He's also looking for another contract. That's what he went from the highest pay the the six, six or seventh highest paid defender in the league, and he's obviously, in my opinion, the best, well we knew about the rams. They're gonna figure out what you gonna figure out the way if they want to find some duckets somewhere somewhere, they want to have a draft pick. Till twenty fifty were drafted, nobody nobody getting. If you ate up on it as already you ate Covin man,

I'll tell you what. But they want a super Bowl. We ain't done. And here is a gentleman in a very interesting position that most people never get to in professional So it's because it's that hard. He can walk away right now, he's credentialed to go to pro progardings. You're going whole fun. I mean, it's it. You've got the Super Bowls, you've got the multiple Players of the Year, the multiple All pros. I mean, he has a resume that is not just worthy, but it's up there with

some of the best. I would say so, and I considered me Joe Green to be the best interior defensive lineman playing the National Football League in its history changed the whole culture. You took a culture changer, the greatest Pittsburgh see Larrever. The only thing that he doesn't have over Joe is three more rings because Joe got four and it was a team the seventies. But Duke walk away right now and just just right down the date like when man he walked okay two thous what I

mean you just know five years from now he's going in. Um, how many people do that? Though? Oh oh it's rare. It is rare, too big. Calvin Johnson's the last one I can think of. Hey, man, buye. He ain't got no supervoto. You're walking away and they're going to put a gold jacket on he did what nine? His situation was way worse than the oh yeahs yeah, the situation was much worse than what the rams, who have the potential to repeat, versus what Calvin Johnson was walking away from.

He said, you know, the organizations didn't even do him. Well, that's how he was like, Man, I'm done with I know what Barry sand that. Barry, I know how you feel, so yes. But but for Aaron in the sense of you've checked the bottom, what boxes they're left to check? Other than I want you to do it again, to

check the boxes? That's it. I mean, it's crazy to me how dominant that guy is and the interior part of the defense, like I can see, you know, t J. Wine and guys on the house side putting up these ridiculous numbers because most of the time they're one on one, let somebody's chipping them from the outside. They're one on one, they get a better opportunity. But this guy's putting up ridiculous sack numbers, getting double teams and triple team literally

entire game. I mean, we've seen what he did to us when we played him. Was like last year he went through I think Zach Martin and picked up Zeke and threw him into the dock. And I'm like, this dude is he's on another level. Man, He's on another level. I've never seen anything like. I ain't never seen nobody build like the dude like Tyren Smith came in and I'm like, you know, Tyring is he's a different type of animal when you book, when you're looking at h

Trent Williams Bill versus the Tyrant Smith's build. Right, Aaron Donald looked like a defensive back. Yeah yeah, ain't no fat on him. He just ripped cut two hundred almost three hundred pounds and as quick as a defensive back, which is why he gives those guards trouble. JO move on these dude, sometimes not even using power. I've not seen the dude built that way playing in that position most of the time. When you think about an interior defensive lineman, those dudes got a little ba not him,

not him. Until The interesting thing about for Aaron Donald is you go back and you read the scouting reports on him. He too small, short arms. I was talking to someone about that the other day and in the scouting industry and they know, oh yeah, And as he said, he said, this was something that it was massively talked about, people like blowing the guy off, like too short doesn't fit. I mean, it was amazing and I'll never forget my frustration.

I no skin in the game on this, but watching the Detroit lines who letting Dominican Sue go to free agency, and they had also drafted Nick Fairley and decided they were done with him. So I think they were sitting tenth in that draft. Well, to me, it was obvious if you're losing these two players, then go get go get Aaron Donald, because you're still in division with Aaron Rodgers. And I think I don't know if Cutler was still a quarterback. But bottom line is, dudes are throwing the

ball in your division. Go get Aaron Donald, they go draft air ebro to tight end for North Carolina. What are we doing? What are we? What are we? No, you can throw the ball. You you better stop somebody in this division. And I in my mind, I'm always thinking drafting. In the draft world, you gotta win your division first. Who's on top of your division? How do you go match it? It's kind of like everybody in

the West. What's Kansas City got going on? Figure that out and get something defensive backs, do something to help yourself here. No, they're gonna go out and get another pass catcher to a dude who doesn't like throwing to the tighten anyway. Your quarterback on the throw, he was trying to go down the field. What what are we getting tight there for? And it's not like you're using him like he Travis Counsel or anything. It just frustrated me with Detroit, Mark May you got fired and down

I'm like, you should get fired. How do you not take this, dude? Mistakes were made. People aren't tobody. Well, you know, take the best player you know, don't don't don't draft for need. I'm sorry, I disagree with that all day long. You had a need, right, you need to stop some quarterbacks, right, Why are we taking a tight end? Listen, well, listen for all of us and all of the football fans out there, I am ecstatic and so happy that the Detroit lines did not draft

the guy. Okay, thank you. I'm glad he's in Los Angeles and I'm glad he is doing what he's doing out there. We did not want to see him go to Detroit and let his career with her away like we've seen many guys. You just talked about Nick Fairley. I remember Nick Fairley when he was at Arbor and he was wrecking game, wrecking games and went out to

the Detroit. What happened and Dominican sue all Right, went out there the Detroit and now he made some plays, but other than that, he wasn't going to win a championship. He wasn't making none of the noise. And he's been making a Tampa like like, yeah, that is that is the traj trajectory of your career and base it off. What has happened to guys like Nick Fairley and Dominican Sue and Calvin Johnson when you go to Detroit and granf but but but bless less be every he got

about it. Yeah, graveyard, man, it is you know when you just spent that the work graveyard. Hey, I used to be good that went to Detroit as hard as a defender. You know when your seasons over by week ten, you're like, man, I gotta go back out here and play again. I gotta go out head for six more weeks. Like it's hard. As hard as you beat by Aaron Rodgers every year twice beat down the cowboys get Detroit by the way, October twenty second, twenty third, say golf

him in the town Detroit, swift. They got some piece, they got some pieces, but they're stowing far away away. Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna talk to mess about it right now because we you know, we started off on the officer of line conversation and we still got some work to do it that that it entirely except Zach Martin, Yes, fifteen offensive linemen right now, there are there are question marks. Connor mcgovernin, by the way, got the first team reps uh the OTAs at left guard, and then the rookie

Tyler Smith was backing him up. So they're but wait, was he's standing right behind him or they was he was with the second tag because I'm I can guarantee you that McGovern is filling the heat right now. What I doubt he see that he a Memorial Day. He better not to be party now I'm governed, dude, right

on your tail right now. He got drafted in the first round and they are waiting for you to make a mistake or show that you haven't improved your anchor and your ability to stop moving back into Dak Prescott because if you don't, once you get the pads on, that spot is gone. And from mcgovernor, it's just gonna take one one one, one on ones. And they're at camp and he gets beat bad and one on ones and that is all it's gonna take because he got

that first round pedigree behind him. If he gets beat like that, I mean, they're gonna be like, all right, let's start, let's start rotating here a little bit. Let's see what he could do with the first you know, the one thing that might save him though the health of our left out. Okay, so let me ask this

question here, since you guys played. If McGovern wins this job, then what does it say it says he won't have it for loan because we we we know that well, since I've been here with the Cowboys, we know that they've given guys opportunities to lose their spot. So even if if let's say Tyler Smith and McGovern are playing YO here and Tyler Smith is playing a little bit better, I still think they're gonna give mcgovernor that that opportunity to lose his job. You think he's gonna play Week

one who mcgovernor? Yeah, absolutely, I think unless he goes out there and stinks it up, like if they're playing you know, if it's about equal, I think McGovern's gonna get the shot based on experience that he's going to have the opportunity to play. Give you an example, Leo Collins last year, what do you mean, my man? My man one out there? Okay, he was playing, However he's playing. He missed five games on his for his for the

reasons of his own decisions that he made. All right, my man still's playing great, playing greater at right tackle. What happens when Leo gets back in put right back in there. We said on this show the whole time and say, hey, man, what should they do when Leo gets back? We all said the same thing. Man still is out the bottom. But we knew it wasn't gonna happen.

There we go. What happened Jason with Well, I mean, and I know that's different, but people were talking about him being a progress stopper in the tight end rule that I came back like, we have a history of doing this. So yeah, I think that mcconmcgovern's gonna get his shot unless he goes out there he is horrible, and then I think he probably lasked to like week week three, just based off the competition that we're playing against in the first three four weeks of the season.

I think he lasts to like week three before Tyler Smith gets his shot to be a starter. I definitely think if if Tyd Smith doesn't get hurt, I'm talking about Tyler Smith, he doesn't get hurt, I think you know he's gonna be starting week one now. I just think they put too much into him as a you know, first round draft choice, especially with the struggles that McGovern had last year. I think he'll get the full benefit of the doubt and he'll end up you know, starting

in there. But if he does it for some wild reason, barring no injury, that McGovern gets that starting job, I'm not gonna say it's a you know, I'm not gonna say it's a waste, but it's like, i'd rather have somebody in that first round that's gonna help me right now. I don't want to you know, a project or building process, and you know, that's what we got going on right now.

I think he's a lot of a lot of the guys that we got in these first couple of rounds, they're projects, and they're they're extremely talented, but they're wrong when it comes to technique out there. So I'd rather prefer somebody that can help me out day one, and hopefully Tyder Smith is that guy. So what goes into this as a player when you know this is your last year under contract. For Connor recovered, this is this

is his last year. So so not only are you trying, you're you're really you're trying to get a new contract here. But we do know in the National Football League there's a there's a problem trying to find good quality offensive line. So if it's not here, this is a young man who will he will play somewhere else in the National Football League. But how much money you're making is going to be determined by him. Now, Connor Williams got paid last year and that wasn't a contract, but he found

a new home, he got paid. So so Connor McGovern can be on that same same type of projectory. But what goes through a player's mind? How do you approach your last year with the team. I'm gonna tell you how how Ron Leary did it? Basically because he was in a contract year and I think that was the same year Lyell came in there, I believe, and they basically they gave la job starting job, and so Learry. You know, he could have went about it a bunch

of different ways. He could have, you know, powered complaint and just you know, shut down the whole season and just said forget it. You know, that's just not where I'm at, and then he wouldn't have got that huge contract he got with the Demo Broncos. But I think the way he played it was perfect. I mean, he said he was upset about it, of course, but he kept an internal and just kept grinding and kept grinding along,

and I don't know what happened. I don't know if somebody got hurt something, but he slid back into that starting lineup and didn't reliquish that job. He ended up getting paid and having a huge contract with Denver. So I think there's a couple of ways you can go about it. But if you do end up getting that backup spot, you know, you know you're gonna be unhappy about it, but you gotta continue to grow and hopefully you get that second opportunity to go out there and

show what you can do. Yeah, And for me, I think the off season the huge for a mc governor, right coming off of the performance that he had last year, knowing that his space, his spot maybe up for grabs, and then watching the drafting them, seeing him seeing them pick up officsive Lineman. His focus this off season has

to be tight. He has to get bigger, stronger. He knows what his weaknesses are and he has to be better at those things and he has to know that, hey man, you know, my leash is short, very short leash. And if I go out here and I'm not focused and i have a bad day, I have a bad couple of days and I let that turn into a bad week. That might be a bad year for me because then I got a guy who's been drafting in the first round who can come take my spot. So

you don't have any room for error. And I think sometimes depending on what type of competitor you are, that lets you have your best years. When you see guys like Tank Lawrence like not taking the I mean getting put on the franchise tag year in a year out of saying I'm gonna bet on myself. He knows that the merger for Air is very small, right, They're looking for any reason not to pay you twenty million dollars

a year. Same thing with the McGovern they're looking for any reason not to have you on the roster and not have to even think about paying you next season because they drafted somebody in the first round. So you have to use that as a chip on your shoulder to go out there and say, man, I'm going to do everything that I possibly can to get better and play to the best of my ability, so they so they can't say nothing about it at the end of

the season. Orlando scandred to me, that was the perfect the perfect example, or just or you drafting this guy to come and replace me, that chip on the shoulder just got either bigger and it was it was a big you know f to everybody else there. I mean he he was because basically, if you think about it, they got somebody at his position every single year a year there. Ay, whether it was Moe, whether it was you know, it was just we got a corner. Everything

they should and the passingly guys you should. But he knew and he held on to that job for ten, ten eleven years because he had that chip on the shoulder and saying, I don't care who you draft. I was a fifth round are you're not taking my spots? He said, a lot of dudes come and go to and he lived up to it. So good for Orlando. All right, let's get our first break in here when we come back, Let's chat about this defensive line. How do we feel about the Cowboys defensive line? And who

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You guys are in the league. Gather. Yeah, I'm in. I'm in too, I'm in back back. I'm bad. I want you know I went first year was the first year was bad. That was my first year ever. Last place that was it was something like that. I wanted the playoffs at the end of the the regular season. I was last. When they do the losers bracket, you know, Constellation out. I can't. I want a consulation bracket anyway.

Second year, you'll got an N I T version. Yeah, we got a little You don't want to be about the only person who was switching out the roster for the Constellations. I't, I wasn't. That was my first year. I ain't know. Everybody will say a good season. I ain't know that was my first year. I'm switching things out. I'm out here anyway. Second year, you know I was in what I came a third? Came a third or second year? Third, second year? Third? And then what about

what about last year that came in like seven? Seven? Six? You know what six? I was in? I was in. I was in the playoffs. Okay, I was in the playoffs. Yeah, I was first boy. I know my records always up. I mean I'm going through three almost every year. Okay, cheating, No, No, I cannot cheat it. I'm cheat. He's the commissioner. He did to figure out some type of way to cheat. All I'm gonna say right now. Okay, so I'm talking to you young brothers and and everybody else here who's

listening on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Please don't end up like Tommy fam and Jack Peterson, two major league baseball players. When Tommy Fam slapped Jock Peterson out and out and before pregame, what will Smith Chris r All that they've been watching all this stuff? He went out then slapped them and cleared the benches. Well, on the's on two opposite teams. Yeah, so they were it's pregame warm up. So Tommy Fam plays for the Reds and Peterson plays

for the Giants. So they played the game, and so before the game they're talking and discussing in apparent league. Words were exchanged. Tommy Fam didn't like it, so he slapped Peterson and you see the video got suspended three games, and it was over fantasy football. And Peterson read off his aversion of events, and it didn't really add up to me because he's like, yeah, I put a guy who was supposed to he got he wasn't playing in

the game, so I moved into ir. He says, you can't do that, and then I've brought in someone else. I'm like, na, bro, this this is money. You're not the only reason you're getting slapped in the face over some fantasy for football is this is about money. And these are major league baseball players, so they're not sitting around here playing for like we played. They probably played for some big change. And so when they interview Tommy Fan, he came out there and he said, yeah, yeah, you know,

it's like did some stuff wrong. It was over me a litt about money. It's like, you know, I'm a big player in Las Vegas. So he's like money was involved, Like okay, now I get it. Now I get it. So I just want to make sure. What did Peterson do after he got slapped? Dude, he just took it. No, but Chris Ryer, I can see Chris Ryan situation and he said, you know, I don't even believe in violence. Man walked away. The man open slapped you. This is

this is what happened. When you know you owe somebody's money, you ain't gave him. He knew he was. He probably was. He'd probably been looking for this dude for months and foots like that. When I see you find it when I see you now, and you know the man you gotta keep the hands up. Thought he was in a safe space TV. So Tommy fam Is taught me Fams about that life, taught me fame that guy. Man. You though, I'll say this, that man didn't want to go with

Tommy Fan but I'll just let beat down. You can't let the man just slap you. I mean, I'm with you because had he thrown one or two back, there was a baseball somebody's gonna come back. They came anyway. You could have tied to it backed up. But that's just what one one like you said. You know you're wrong, You're wrong, you old somehow. Number two. I'm telling me he didn't that from timing from Tommy fam Listen, listen,

he just Timmy will Smith for the same category. Now, Man, they're slapping folks out here, you know, on the main stage, and the people they're slapping this, they're so lost, they're like, oh, well he did it for real right here. It just slapped me, probably slapped. You be confused when you get slapped like that. You're just like, man, you're gonna slap me like that? Listen, Okay, everybody understand your league rules. Police,

understand your league rules. And let's let's not have the consolation. Let's not have that this fault. Let's not have that this fault. No, you get your trophy back this year. I already gave back. Man. Now are you getting your trophy back? Oh? My? Getting it back this year? Um? Rap, so far away from thinking about this, man, I'm trying to I got school again. Man. My mind is when

it comes, it'll come. I'll just do what I do I play, don't get a trophy to shout, I don't like my drafting, heaving with I plan on to be a top notch like it always is. I mean, look, I'm always I'm always around there. You know, I'm like Carolina man, they know it ain't know who I am.

You're always in and you ain't in the playoffs that this would be the first year, one of the first years with Christian McCaffrey is probably not getting one or two last year too, I don't see him going to this is Jonathan Taylor probably be right there at the top of the list. Got last year. Yeah, I mean, you gotta think about christ McCaffrey and Zeke. I don't know when people are picking these two guys, but three years ago you're fighting over the fighting over I gotta

get Zeke. So you got Dalvind Cook, you got Jonathan Taylor, I mean Aaron Jones. Keep going a little bit that you might get to Zeke. And so I'll tell your boys Cincinnati. You know, considering, especially when I think about it, you got so many other weapons out here that you know, you just can't key on a Joe mix and and and they're starting throwing the ball more out of the backfielding. So there's a guy got chub. I mean, you start

to think about McAfrey. One of the to me, the first thing comes to my mind is you got a quarterback issue. You know, if you got quarterback issue, good luck he every down back to where he just took. You got health issues, You got quarterback issue. When he was playing with Cam, you know, they had to think about Cam too. So I just don't know if I'd be running out here trying to go go do that with him with take a Boy from the Chargers or the Austin Neclab. Yeah, so I mean, there you go,

there you go, who'll beat my quarterback? Though? I do know that that's a discussion for that. You don't let him take Joe Burrow from you. You gonna you're gonna let him take Joe Burrow from you. He got too much, He got a roll. He would sit there and watching Joe Burrow smoke his team before he decided to depicting before justin Herbert come on with Herbert beat Joe Burrow. I'm just he's still yeah a little seriously, I don't I don't know how how are you still dying on

that Hill, Justin Herbert over Joe Burrow. Who had the better rookie season Joe Herbert next year, Joe Burrow had a better season. Third year up her first time season with Joe Burrow to Yeah, like we had he played thirteen games, or stay in the poc for the fingers, stay in the pocket the Bengers go to super Bowl next year. Your team madn't even make the Thame playoffs. Coach, our coach was that guy. They gave him the time he wanted. He wanted to do some You skip bayless

that they did not make the player. I don't care who faulted. He played quarterback for the team they didn't make the playoffs. Okay, so there's nothing we win stock when they played each other, you looking stock and now we playing stock in the fact that Joe Burrow led his team to the Super Bowl last year and your quarterback did not leave his team to the playoffs. It happens, coach just getting away selling even short. Joe Burrow had the ball in his hands, had chased down the field open,

but the offensive line can't block Aaron Donald. This dude almost wasn't so uper Bowl went to went to with no old line with no old line man, a fifth man. If it was if y'all would have made the playoff, if he would have took the time, he would have been the greatest. But right now, right now, one season, look at Joe had a season, had a season? Wait, hello, so you go compare Joe Burrow's best season to Justin Herbert's best season? And where where the Herbert go? What

you mean where he ain't made the playoff? What did he do for us? Did they go to super Bowl? Wait? Did they go to the playoffs? The coach decided he didn't want to go, so they go to the super Bowl. He has down the greatest. Now say you say you haven't lost the argument. Ain't nobody lose no argument? Hain't nobody lose? No said, Joe Burrow got one, Justin Herbert got one. They got So take your team the super Bowl in the in the fashion that they did, and

it's no longer ruler. How many road games the ingles right on? The number one seed, number two seed. Here we go, we go, They won in Kansas City, they came back to I said he was a better quarterback last year. He was a better quarterback the first year, though, listen better quarterback. Now, who Joe? That's Herbert, Joe Herbert, Herbert, Joe her Joe Herbert Joe Herbert because they stay on the same level. Okay, okay, so you'll get your opportunities to see Wait Joe week two, he might not even

make the playoffs. You see that division? Yeah, y'all got it is Herbert, Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, and h Shaun Watson, Lamar Jackson. They might not make the playoffs. Lamar Jackson was playing last season and DeShawn Watson. We don't know if he's gonna play it. If he does though, okay, I'm right. Who have received a huge see who have received water? Brown watching the news and I don't know. You see who at the receiver for the Browns man? You see who's at the receiver for the brown We

haint going. I hate going outdoors, all right? And I remember I'm taking the words out of your mouth from a couple of years ago. We know what happens when you a couple of years ago. He got the number two one. Now, I mean he's ready, he's ready. Speaking of ifs. Speaking of ifs, let's talk about Tyry Smith. Will take our second break here and talk about the Cowboys left tackle who did not participate in OTA's last week. This is the players lines, brought you by Hotels dot Com.

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the Cowboys left tackle. Tyrant Smith for basically a half decade now has not played full season And if you're counting on him to play one this year, you'd be fooling yourselves. Just after a certain point in time. And you guys have played in this league. Um, once a guy started getting hurt sometimes it just it just keeps going that way. You don't get younger, right, and and Tyrannt Smith's battled injuries. Um, it's at an outstanding career. But let's just be honest here. You cannot count on

him for seventeen football games. Ota has come around find out Tyrant is not ready to go. You just check, you know, Twitter, sports radio people like all right, and you know y'all late late, I'm late Tyrand Smith. If that, if that were to happen, would be great for the football team. Ain't happen, but the likelihood of it happening is just so low. Yes, yes, and so's it right out of the gate, tac he wasn't available. Now, I'll

look at it this way. There's two ways. Look at the way I'm looking at it is whatever's going on, get the guy right now, and you have him ready to go and come training camp out there in California's gonna be very interesting how much training camp does he get in here because you're trying to get him to September eleventh against Tampa back who's got a pretty good defensive front going on. But my whole thing with the Tyrant Smith situation one is how does it affect the

rest of your offensive line? Right If you have a guy who is supposed to be starting right and you draft a guy to play left tackle to possibly take over that position whenever Tyrant decides he wants to retire, but then he now has to play left guard. Who are you getting ready to play left tackle, knowing because it based off history, knowing that this guy may have to play half the season, so they need to be

ready to play, not like you know, sparingly. They need to be ready to get in there and get some real time rips so they can be ready for the season. How do you do that? And as a rookie, that's a lot to put on the plate. As a guy all right, who wants you to be ready, wants you to start left left guard, Well, you know, we want you to compete for the starting left guard position, but we also want you to be ready for left tackle. That's that's a tough hill for a young guy, any

even if you're in your third fourth year. That's a lot because, as speaking with Nate Newton, the difference between a guard and tackle is like night and day. You know, guard, youre getting protection from both sides. You got to hold that anchor in there, but you're not really getting a lot of wiggle from guys on the interior interior side unless you're playing against Aaron Donalds or something. But at

the left tackle position, you're on an island. You gotta have some great feet out there because there's guys with speed, power, pass rush moves. I mean, there's a lot different position to play. So it's a rookie, you would want to make sure you're focused on one position at a time so you don't get that brain overload. But the Crag, you're one hundred percent right, you know, if he's grooming to play that to compete for that left gor spot. We know, you know, Tire's not gonna play all seventeen.

So who's who's gonna be the backup? Who are they grooming to be that swing tackle? And are they good enough? You know, are they good enough? Are they good enough? Because we've seen we've seen year in the year out when you try to fill in behind a guy like Tyrren Smith, it has not worked name name of time when the guy has been out for an extented period of time. And you looked at the left tackle position

to say, you know what that was? They're serviceable and they actually did a very good job playing left tackle. And this goes all the way back to the Atlanta game. But my man Clayborne, all right, that the floodgates open and we have not seen it happen. Still went from playing right tackle really well to moving over to left tackle, and we were over there, like man, they messed up

as confidence. So okay, I'm not gonna dispute what you're saying. Okay, no, I feel like they have tried to go down the road to that's best they could to fix this because first off, there it's not like they're available and free agency.

There's no good left tackle available free agency. These these guys get locked up since okay, good, You went into the draft this year, drafting where you were you took do you took basically you took the last good offensive tackle because there was another guy that went until a third round, So you took a tackle, plugged him in here as guard with the expectation of for listening to to Chris Hall, who was on mix shots, we think that, you know, down the road, we can put this guy

at left tackle. You went out drafted another tackle. You drafted three tackles in the last two seasons. What else did you want them to do? Did you did you draft those tackles with the expectation of them having to play that much behind the Tyren Smith or thinking of moving on from Tyren Smith, or did you draft them saying you know what Tyrant's back. Tyrant's going to be healthy this season, and we're just gonna stick this out

just in case something happens on right or left. There were fingers, there were some cross This is the issue, right, because, like you said, half a decade, bro, So not just this year, not just last year. We're talking about five, almost five full years of knowing that a guy is not going to play the whole season. So you're like, we've been when they've been trying three over the last two years. But I've been banging on the table about this.

Yeah we started, yes, and thankfully we did draft Michael Parsons and they worked out, but you still have that issue of hey man, we're not sure and then this this news did we get for OTA's in the back situation. It just reminds you again of like, okay, this is this is something that's gonna have to be dealt with this season. So then what would you have them do this year? Because we won't argue with what they did last year with Parsons, they did the right thing. This

year they went they went to get a tackle. Yeah, but I mean what else? I mean, Yeah, you said four years of this, So to me, what you're really looking at right now? Is you got Josh Ball, you got Matt Will let's go, and then you've got Terrence Steel and just trying to figure out how how do you what's the mixed match combination? If if Tyrn Smith isn't available, do you put steal back at left and then try to put in a ball or let's go it right? I mean, what are you going to do?

Or do you want to keep steal it right and then you try to patchwork something over here at the left? I mean, obviously these are issues, and in this league, most teams are doing some of the same stuff. Now, most people have some issues here. The Cowboys. The Cowboys, since I've covered them, have traditionally held on too long left tackles flows l Adams. They held on too long to flows l And finally when did they when did

they actually fix the flows El thing? When you know they drafted Tyres Smith, but it was it was late. So this has kind of been an m O with the organization. So they're trying. They're trying. It's not easy. And oh, by the way, Tyrann Smith at seventy percent is better than anybody else they got right now on the roster at seventy percent, putting you out of the game as zero percent. And you're right right, that's that's

the only thing is being available, being in there. And then what it takes away from the guys during the week who don't get those reps because you have to give them to Tyrant because he started, he has to be able to look at the skins. But when you got a guy who is not going to be playing whoever was second team I remember doing that playing safety,

you ain't getting those reps. You're not getting the same type of looks that that the first team guys are getting because it's not that much time for you to be out there on the field doing that stuff. So

a lot of your stuff is film work. If you're not getting getting an opportunity to be able to pass off et stunts seeing what a guy like Aaron Donald's gonna do if he lines up here there, then it's hard for you to be able to say, all right, why I watched all the film I could, but now I'm in the game and I'm gonna do great souls. So then what do you propose? What's your solution? Right now? Knowing that this is this is the card you have. It ain't listen. It ain't my job to find a

solution for them right now. All I can say is we knew, but we're doing a talk to a podcast. Ye see. My solution was was pitched years ago. I got nothing. I don't know what you mean. Not mean you're paying the guy, So, yeah, he's gonna play. I mean you can't just like that's all I'm so do you don't have a play and b I think you gotta take the tackle. I think you gotta take was name we Lescoletsco and the guy from last year ballall. I think you got to get them prepared for that

left tackle situation. And I think you got the first round pick Tyler Smith. I think he has to focus on let's just say they want to Matt guard. I think he has They have to put him focused on that left guard position because that's the future. That's if that's where they want to see him at. They're gonna have to put him there if they want him on the field. A sad now, if they think he's gonna play tackle in the future, I mean it's just hard. The only the only rookie I know that was able

to do that was Michael Parson. He was able to play linebacker and d N and at that position, packcosition a little bit difficult, but d and you're just chasing and getting out to the ball. So I think it's a lot harder for that for that rookie Tyler Smith to be able to learn guard and tackle at the same time. So I think you gotta focus him on one position. And then you got those other those other tackles that you drafted ball and well, let's go. You gotta get them ready to be the swing tack How

do you do it? Though? So do you take reps away from tying and give them first team reps? No? How many do how many do you give them to get them ready to play and be potentially be a starter, Because because in camp and OTAs, we know you get a little bit more reps. You get a little bit more, but you know during the season dwindles down. During the week. We both know, you know, you get four the ones get four reps and the twos get to two the

last two reps of each of each period. So I just you're gonna have to build up their case low during this OTAs, during this training camp, get them as much reps as you can, because you know during the regular season they're not going to get those those those majority of the reps to ones will and hopefully that I'll prepare them enough for if and when, you know, Tyrn Smith does miss some time, that they're able to

at least come in and do a serviceable job. They'll be playing all three preseason games, possibly started, possibly starting two out of three. Yes, I would just one of them would start a preseason game, Yeah, I would do that. I wanted to hit on the defensive line before before we get out of here. And one, does Tristan Hill make this team? I don't think. I don't think so. I mean, I know, I know you you're a big fan of the Gator, but I'm like, I don't think

he makes it because you got um sixteen defensive line. Yeah, And I just and in his time here, he just hasn't shown to me that much to be able to you know, unseek one of these guys that are in there and got Odgi Zola, you got my boy Neville Gallimore in there. I mean, I just don't see it.

It's gonna be tough uphill battle for him, you know, I think for what we're trying to do on the defensive line and stopping the run and having these type of athletic and then some big guys, like when we draft a big guy from Wisconsin, uh like for what we're trying to do, I think it's gonna be hard for John Ridgway, John Ridgeway from Arkansas, but what we're

trying to do with the defense tackle position. I think it's gonna be hard for my man to to be on the roster just because they know what he can do. It's not like they don't have film on him. They've been in the locker room with him, they've been on the field with him. All these coaches are familiar with him as a player. So unless he comes out and he's he's just killing it in preseason and training camp, that I think it's gonna be hard for him to make the roster. He has to go crazy. And and

also he's part of that old regime. You know, he was drafted by Um that was his guy, and we know how that works. So you got and they talked about trying to get bigger upfronts here. So you saw Quentin Bohanna come in there last year out of Kentucky and now you got into John Ridgeway here, so much bigger. They're definitely going in a different direction there. So we know Gallimore, no Dicky Zoo or guys who are entrenched here,

so it's going to be very interest. And then Carlos Watkins it came back as well, so it's going to be very interesting for Tristan Hill, who last year was injured. So he was injured during camp up and and and then he came on later on this season. But right now he's healthy, so he's gonna go into training camp. Me, this is another guy who really should He's got to know he's got me players know you know, you know you're on the bubble. He's on the bubble and he's

gotta he's got to show he can do something here. Um, I can't remember. I think was Calvin Watkins the Morning News told me that he gave him a death. He's had high too, and the guy just gave him death. He says he'll gave him like a death. Stare because the stories all one players say when they talking about all I'm not reading this or I don't see numb boys just looking at that. They're looking at all of it, if they're not looking somebody in their families looking forward

them exactly exactly. I remember you see getting into it and you want to be mad at the people that wrote it, and then out of I'm older, I'm out of the league. I'm like, well, they only going off what they see. Where's the line? You know what I'm saying, let's say, attacking your attacking your character or something like that. If they're just talking about your play, then you know, I think it's your job to, you know, to change that. Laura knew he was beefing. I was no, because I

never had anything about Orlando's play on the field. No, no, just dealing with him in the locker room, which which I rarely did because, as I said, man, we had other people interview you know what you say, We had a list. See that. This is true today. This is very true today. Man, you walk into that room, you know the guys you trying to get. Hey, talk to my man CJ this season. Okay, talk to my man CJ when you see him. Even Hey, man, so rookie minicamp?

All right, you know what the list was with Tyler Smith? It was Sam How I mean, look, that's what we try to do. I mean, Sam Williams, I mean, you know that's what we try now. I was I was looked for Mark kis Bell, but he was already gone. But there's a list, man. When you go in there people you're trying to get a hold of you you, okay, as as every porter and anchor. You're going in there with a strategy. So if it's a Dak day, you

know they'll bring Dak out to you. But you kind of understanding know all right, what time is he gonna go? So we need to try and get people here, you know, as Zeke did. But there are days where you know, hey, these are some people to get and then sometimes you're waiting around on some of those people. And so if the others are available, the others, see others who will give you some decent sound, you're gonna get them. And that's where old Fit he was on the other Oh

is he talking going over there? And it's not just you know that was his time, okay, Like all right, early on when I covered the team when they World champions, it's like Kenny the Shark, get Nate Newton. These are guys, these are the others list that you could get they're gonna talk to you, and you can put it up. You can use some of the later on. But that's how you went about it. That there's a strategy and how you go about this. Man, you go, all right,

you're gonna take Nate new Nover Trotman and Michael Lurk. No, No you're not. No, you're not. It's a list it's it's it's a it's a listen who's after a game? After a loss? You know who the guys will talk and you'll go get those guys and and sometimes and after losses, okay, Sean Lee. Sean Lee was well. Sean was a pretty good talker in terms of just hey, when he said things, they were thoughtful. After a loss, you get Sean okay. But there are certain dudes who

wouldn't talk. Man de Marco Murray, Marco loss came around here. You might not get the chances are you getting to Marco Murray kind of slim didn't really like talking. Daz. There's another guy. You get dads if you can, if he's willing talkt But then there was some times and he was like, I'm not talking, so we can wait. Are talking talking? You know let's get over here and get something before you get nothing. So all right, so it's that myth truth you get fined if you don't

talk to the to the media. Thought that was the k So what will happen on that is? Who's telling on you? So so after the show's who the media member is. But if you don't talk, they'll go and they'll type, they'll go to emailed the league. So so we didn't talk. So for a while, Tyrant Smith wasn't making himself available. And this one particular person, Hey, where's he at? Where's he at? Kept asking for where's he at?

And I think the player ended up getting fine. But I'll tell you who it is that, I'll tell you what they get their money back somehow. We're at a time today. We are at a time today right here on the players lone for a Bury Church. Danny with Crai, I'm new, He scrugs. Jazz appreciate you, hold it down while cruises out, and Kelly in turn appreciate you. Appreciate you and Big will up there. We'll talk to you next week right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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