The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's Lande, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. No. Your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCray, and new He scrugs. All right here we are trying to figure this thing out on a Tuesday. I'm doing scrugs. Walk to the players lane. I'm a long time Cowboys reporter, joined by Barry Church and Danny mccraig, two former Dallas Cowboy players.
All right, let me use a good old Jason Garrett line. How are you doing, guys. I'm doing good. I'm doing good over here, man. I'm just you know, I'm doing good. I'm good. Man. I'm checking out that that big elephant behind Church head back there, man, what you got the man? Yeah, the elephant TuS the elephant tusks coming off the back. You know, it's all over the place right now. That's it's crazy right now. Okay. I thought it was. I thought I thought it gave you some of your special
nocial novice powers or something. I didn't know. I think it was the art that she was getting the vibe the vibe coming back in the art. I got you y'all day coming y'all, Like I said, y'all have y'all day. Y'all's coming. Though it's coming, it's not coming like you've made it come. Okay. So, by the way, Danny, before the show, I was filling out my picks for the
Dallas Morning News for the NFL picks. I made sure that I did it by myself this week because that's so much ground, the cover up that Barry messed up last while, Church against the spread. Church you were three ft eleven. Man, you only got hold y'all from the jump. I told y'all from the jump. The spread was never a part of this. It was always was too Yeah, the church straight up you were five or nine. I mean, in a lot of ways, you're worse picking them straight
because those are the easiest ones to pick. It gets bad. No no, no, no no, no no no no no no no no no. You said five up nine no five and nine and nine five five five four little time of them all? You know what that was last week? That was last week man, literally with el Man. This thing is literally with el So yes, I made my picks this week without consulting Barry, because now I got
a whole lot of ground to make up. Now, what I didn't do, or what I find out a little bit later on, is how you did against everybody else. Yeah kay, I'll have that little bit later on to see how you didn't get steppingwhere else. But I'm gonna still get the biggest L of all though, y'all gonna see I'm gonna still get the biggest W of all at the end of the season. Y'all a streamer, Okay, brother, I'm just saying, man, you you you don't. Don't you don't let your wife know you picking games with no
money involved. Okay, Okay, you know baby ain't gonna have no diapers if you put money on these picks. Okay, So so don't you do that, don't. I said, y'all day's coming, man, y'all day is somebody's paying you. Bro.
I'm convinced because this three, this is one, this one eighty that you made, you know, from not drinking the kool aid to making fun of new It, and all of a sudden, now you sipping the kool aid, tod you saw what they put out there on the field, and you decided to take another simp and say they're gonna win the championship. See how I see how I wrong with that one. He's a chef. I'm in there. I gotta go. I gotta go with the kitchen. I gotta sip with the kitchen. Man. I'm I'm a chef.
I'm cooking it up man. Okay Lands Lounge brought to you by Hotels dot Com. Jerry Jones on one or five three, the fans set there is no leadership void on this football team. Let me read you his quote. But seriously, where would you have a leadership void? Is it an experienced void? Is it a talent void? Is it a leadership void. I'm not trying to be cute here. The answer is no. The answer is no. Well shut up and let me answer it. No. That's the exchange he had with Sean Sharif and r J Chopping. So
no leadership void, per Jerry Jumps. I don't I don't know if I want to comment on that one, we might I might not be on the show no more. My man, man salty, Hey be quiet and let me talk or else. I'm just let you know, all right, we don't have no leadership problems. But but you but the truth is, you do you got you got big leadership problems. And that's coming from somebody who was in the locker room yours, and uh, you know it's it's it's an issue. So maybe maybe they'll get it fixed.
He sees something that we don't see because he's in this current locker room. But from the outside looking in, I think ninety nine percent of the people's watch this team says the same thing. So I mean, I think he was frustrated because he's hurt that so much, and that was just the start that broke the camera's back. Yeah, man, yeah, I think, I mean, of course, I think you know they have leadership issues. I mean it's it's definitely you know, you could you could see it the writings on the wall.
I mean when you got players coming out saying, you know, we don't agree with this system or this system doesn't work with us, and you got anonymous quote saying nobody believes in what the coach is doing. And then the coach is going on on the media talking about, well, they need to say it with their chest, they need to have some pride and put some name behind it. And then the supposed leaders of the team go out there and say yeah, that and that. You know, people
saying without without without anonymously. You know, that's a coward move. So I mean there's definitely, you know, leadership issue because if you had that bona fide leader, if you had that guy that can basically shut everything down on the locker room before it even gets out like that, none of this would have happened. So for me, we definitely have a little bit of issue right here. But we got to get it resolved. We gotta get it resolved, and I'm not sure if we're gonna be able to
do that by the end of the year. But there's something that needs to get a handle and handle fast. You you left out the hustle part. Don't forget that impossible to hustle too. That's that's what you're starting. You're starting. Safety said that. You know, man, that's and that's the example for your team. Hey man, I can't do it the whole game, So I'm gonna give you a little bit, but every other place, you know, I'm gonna take off a little bit. And you know, y'all serious, I mean,
it's impossible. You don't really expect me to hustle the whole game, do you I think? Come on, bro, come on, I mean all they gotta all I gotta do is show that that DK metcalf that cut. I mean when when he you know, he chased down Blue Baker, who's one of the fastest dbs in the league, chased him down, you know, after a long drive. So, I mean, we gotta fix something. Man. You got like you said, you got safeties out here talking about Nah, we can't do
that for one hundred percent? Are you kidding me? I mean, this is it's ridiculous. Man. Hey, look he said there's no void. Okay, So he said there's no leadership void. And I will file that under what Bill Parcels used to saying. All I can go by is what I see. Jerry's in the room. He may see it differently, but from what I see, I do think that there's a
leadership boy. Scott Shanley as a former Dallas Cowboys linebacker who ended up going over to the Saints and winning the Super Bowl, and he put out a tweet last week when James Slater had put out that put out the tweet about the anonymous sources, and he said, wait a minute, these are the same players who were complaining about Jason Garrett, Rob Baronelli. Now that's in here complaining about a new staff. Maybe it's the guys, you know,
put this on the guys. And so look, there's no matter what Jerry says, they've got an issue here where they're not just losing games, they're getting blown out. And you're getting blown out by teams that just like, okay, nobody blowing them. Mout's gonna end up in the Super bowls year. I'm pretty comfident. I don't see the Browns playing in Super Bowl this year. I don't see Washington playing in Super Bowl this year. Okay, Now, these are the teams that are blowing the wars off of them.
And Jerry did say on his radio show today that there will be changes on the defensive lunt he did say there'll be changes, and um, he did allude that don Terry Poe is a guy that that uh, you know, he may be finished with. So he had changed right there with Terry Pop. Let me tell you so, let me tell you something two things. Let me let me get this. First of all, we got a lot a lot of the moree getting blown out to do for the season night. So some of the teams that blow
us out might be playing in the Super Bowl. H too. Listen, my man Terry Poe was the only person took a knee. Listen. His time was coming sometime soon anyways. And three listen, we we we we throw a leadership out there a lot. So I just want everybody to know what we mean when we say leadership. When when you have a guy that's a leader in the locker room, like a Jason Wooden or DeMarcus Ware, the younger players are are the
people that follow him. They can wash the way that he works out, They can wash the way that he take care care of his body. They can watch the way that they practices, they can watch the way that these studies, and they can follow him and they have an example for how to do it. So when you watch the markets where play, you don't see him lofa. When you see when he's studying film, he's doing it, you know, a particular way so he can really get a read on something, so he's not just watching tape.
He's actually trying to get an advantage. These are things that the leader leader does and then they take the younger guys along with them. So then you have everybody playing hard, everybody's studying, everybody taking care of the body so they can be the best that they can be when there on the fields. And so that's what we're saying. When when they saying that they missing something to Marcus, you know he's not going to be anonymous source to the to the media. Like all these things are what
a leader would do. So we say leadership, that's what we mean. They lead off the field and on the field by example. But who can you see outside outside of four and maybe you know Sean Lee, is there anybody you see on this team that has that, you know, capability that can that can lead these guys or at least put them in the right direction. I'll tell you this. It's it's it's crazy because you know, the best part of our team, even probably the oldest part was the
offensive line. But you know how the offensive line is, man, they hang they hang around each other. It's real difficult for offensive lineman to be a leader of the team, right because there they hang around and they're clicking. Everybody respects them and they see how they work out, but they're usually not the vocal the vocal guys at least in the Cowboys locker room that I was in. So you know, it's hard to find one of those guys. Byron was probably one of those guys. Jeff Heath was
one of those guys. But you know that, you know they're no longer here. Jalen is trying to be but you know, the play on the field sometimes just doesn't doesn't show. I think he has the ability to be that guy, but uh, you know it's so far it just hadn't showed up. All right. So m more on leadership from Jerry Jones today on his weekly interview one or five three of the Fan And when he was asked about does he see leadership quote, you're not asking
me that. I gave you the answer when I go into the locker room, there's no leadership void in my eyes. Now there's your answer. Let's move on to Jerry Heats. Yeah. See that's not you know, when he's going in the locker room, especially after a blowout loss. I mean he's probably just seeing guys vent and guys being angry, you know, guys over there talking about man, but get your act together. We could have been this better. We could have did
that better. You know that. You know it's all good when after the fact, but you know, true leadership and true guys that lead that locker room. I mean you're seeing that the whole week leading up to the game. You're seeing those guys like you know, Sean Lee to Jason Wittens of the world when we were there showing guys how to prepare it each and every day, you know, getting in guys grill, getting in guy's face and letting them know at practice that hey, this isn't the right way.
We gotta hustle, we gotta do this. And that's what you should be seeing all the way up to the locker room, not just you know, after a blowout, after a blowout loss or or maybe even a win, guys venting and guys saying yeah, because then anybody's it's easy to be a leader. Then So for me, I mean, you just gotta, like like mcrai said, we just need somebody to step up and get into that position where
they can lead these guys throughout the whole week. And you know, Sean Lee not being there, I mean, that's that's a that's a big, you know hit to the leadership board and Also, you cannot just be come a leader today if they don't have one yet, they're not finding one, all right. So it's not it's not something that you could just turn on this week, all right. So that's something that happens through our workouts, you know,
through time and experience with a guy. You know, you see him do all this type of stuff, and so far we hadn't seen anybody you know, do that type of stuff. So, like I said, Sean Lee would be a help just just straight off, you know, being on the field and being that type of leader. Okay, so let me just ask this question, Tank Lawrence doesn't figure intodition. You're talking about ladyship. A guy who when they gave him the contract, it's a highest pay contract in cowboy history,
you don't consider it leader. I mean, see that's you know, that's where it comes up every a lot of people think, you know, just because you know, this guy's got the highest contract or this guy's the best player on the team when it comes to being on the football field and doesn't necessarily make them the you know, greatest leaders
for the whole team. I mean, and I think that's what made that so valuable to this franchise because not only was he a playmaker, not only did he lead this team on the field and get people going in the right direction and kind of have that juice, but you see it off the field, he showed he was showing this team how to go about things, how to practice, how to how to be a you know, a consummate pro because he was taught by that from you know, the Romos in the in the Witness of the World.
So that just goes to show you how valuable a guy like that is. But you know, just because you're the highest paid or the best doesn't mean you're a great leader all around. You just told me no. You just told me no. So I asked you, I'm not gonna say that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm right now. The leadership void is there. And I think because the season has been so bad that you know, it's so glaring, um that that some guys will have to learn how to do it in these tough situations because a lot
of these guys haven't been in a situation like this. Um. Like I said, I think they can, but I think right now it's probably a little bit too late, because you know, you already got some of that stuff seeping in. You've already had your team meetings, and now you just it's crazy that you're waiting for sean leader to come back. And I'm sitting here like he's gonna be the leaders? He are they gonna start lead? You know? Is he gonna be leading from the sideline. It's it's crazy. The
situation that they're in is real crazy. Okay, Danny, I'm just gonna I'm just based on what what you just told me in church, has just told me. I've asked the question. It's Tank Lawrence. Is he a leader? A guy that they made the highest paid player cowboy history. I'm not hearing either one of you said yes. He let me cleared up. Let me cleared up, Let me cleared up. He is. Yes, he's a leader. He's no listen, he's a leader. He's not leading all right? Him, he's
a leader. He is not leading right now. We have seen him be a leader on the defense. We've seen him gallant, get those guys together, especially the line. We've seen him, you know, show those characteristics. Right now, he's not leading, okay. Yeah, So so when Jerry says there's a leadership, boy, you guys just listen to what you're
telling me is there is a leadership boy. And right now, according to just listening to you guys and some other people who do podcasts here on the Dallas Cowboys, they're they're expecting Sean Leader ride in with a white horse. That we're counting on a dude who, with all due respect, plays hard. But they ain't available a whole lot. So this guy is supposed to. Don't you know? They just attached this growing back and he gonna run out here. You're just adding Sean Lee is not going to be,
you know, the answer to all problems. I mean, will it help? I mean yeah, I mean he might do more help off the fielding on, but I mean he's not gonna come in here and just be the answer to everything. I mean, but anything can help. I mean we're at the low of lows right now, so any anything can help. He won't. He won't be the answer. But but listen, I can guarantee you when he's on the field, he will hold those guys accountable and they will play a lot harder. I can almost guarantee you
that there will be a lot less loafing. Guys will be on attention to detail, they'll know what's coming. He will be called all in out certain things. The defensive look totally different, and those guys would be held accountable because they're gonna play hard for a guy who's playing like Sean Lee and the guy who has that type of experience and carriage, that type of leadership. I believe that.
I'm not saying, you know, they go out here and you know, shut nobody out, but you I think you'll see a different attitude from him when when he's actually on the field. That's what I'm saying. Well, I don't know when he's gonna be on there, how they're gonna how they're gonna run that with Nolan. You know, maybe after he get the house out side is out here to figure out the way to get Sean involved. Okay, my bad, bad, My bad. I had to I had to,
My bad. No, it was funny. It was funny. I almost almost put a thing of houseuce right here on camera, but you know, I didn't want to get you into it. It was funny. Man, he knew that he knew that was coming from somebody. Hey boys throwing shots, man, that's why mmmmm, let's dive into that. That was that was that was gonna be on the flip side of it. But let's dive into defensive coordinator who's had his struggles had a press conference in it almost it was comical,
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play special teams. We'd like to bring in their perspective on how these things are going here with the club as they try to rebound from a embarrassing loss against Washington heading into a first place deficient showdown with the Philadelphia Eagles on first place football. The winner will be in first place. You said it right, and Barry is drinking gallons and gallons of this koo leg saying that
the Cowboys are going to win the NFC East. We do not have a confirmation yet that Ben Denucci will start, but Andy Dalton is still in protocol and has not practiced yet. So the rookie from James Madison is possibly going to lead the Cowboys and a first place showdown against the Eagles at the Vet and Church is drinking the kooleg Church the seven and a half point. Oh, now we change now, okay, okay, now we switch it yesterday.
If that would have had no disrespect to mister de Nucci, But if that would have happened and he would have come in there and lead this team, you know, in in at the link, I mean you know, I'd have to I'd have to go ahead and switch up on that one. I mean, that's who. That's gonna be a tough position to be in for him, behind that offensive line and at that place who it's gonna be tough. I'm still confused. I don't I don't understand how how how you make this one eighty You talk about all
these qualified, all these qualifiers, man, you're all these qualified. No, I told all this, yes, if he if it's if he goes. If he's out there, then it's it's just it's not gonna happen. It's just it's a rap. So he's telemating out there. So so if you pick so, if you so, if Andy Dunton starts the game, and if Ben de Nucci comes in at any time, then you your your pick is switched. I'm no, I'm saying. If if Dalton's starting the game, then a you know, I gotta rad with it, you know what I'm saying.
But if if the Nuci starting, that's I mean, that's a couple. Okay, all right, I can, I can, Okay, I can see that. I give you that one, give you. I appreciate that, I appreciate the church. I will tell you this. I don't think dawnans playing, Okay, I don't.
I don't think Andy dawnons playing. I was watching that hit again and to see the force in which Foster came down and you see Andy's head immediately pop down on that FedEx turf and then the helmet pops off, And for me, the first thing I thought of, I just said, man, that's a CTE type hit. There's no way in the world that man got up with the same amount of brains hells that he did before. I mean, that just hit was just terrible. I mean it was an awful hit. I mean that was just awful. And
thank the Lord it wasn't on turf. And then the scene the way Andy walked off, Um, you know I've covered and not suspended because Andy Dalton is not Tom Brady. That's why you know this, The preferential treatment that they give these quarterbacks. I mean, we know it, okay, I mean come on, now, when you played, you couldn't you you know, you knew who you couldn't breathe on, and who you couldn't touch and who they didn't care. Yeah, man, they find me, They find me twenty five grand just
for hitting grown man. It's ridiculous. But in this situation he should get He gotta be suspended. I mean you saw he led with that The guy was sliding and he led with his helmet down there. I mean it, that's ridiculous, man. That was That was one of the dirtiest ones out in the saying. I agree with you. If Roger Goodell talks about players safety Troy Evince and talks about it, well, then do something about it. Here
not just sit up here and send find him. But but they but we know there's a cast system, man, it's just the cast system in the National Football League. And Andy Dalton is not in that cast system of which they're gonna sit there here to say we want to protect this guy. If you did this to Patrick Mahomes, you'd have a whole lot of problems on your hands. Oh yeah, because he did to Andy Dalton on on a you know, a two and five football team. They don't care. Man, you said it, you know, you set
it up for me, like like a spot in the volleyball. Man. Listen, the NFL don't care about Andy Dalton. And because the Cowboys didn't care about Andy Doalton. If somebody would have ran over there and tried to and they would have tried to help, and it would Listen, man, I'm telling you, listen, listen,
I can't listen. I'm willing I'm willing to bet if it would have caused a big, big scene and like the teams would have started fighting and benches would have started clearing and stuff, I think Boxton would have got suspended. But the fact that everybody just looked around like all right, well, who covers the Nucci. I think that was like hight well, I guess it's not that big of a deal. Man. You gotta you gotta have some theater to it. Man. You see dudes flopping all over the place and they
getting calls. You gotta do that too, Man, You step up for you guys, show show the NFL that that ain't right and you really and you really care about that man, and you know, and maybe it have been different, but you know, shout out, what did your boy do? When when Dalton got hit? Man, Well, I didn't see what happened with your boy nineteen. Man, I'm not playing with you, Bro, I'm not playing with you. Man, I'm not playing with everybody. Hell, he got he was, he was,
he was shocked, he was shot. You know he was when something when when you as a boxing match, you're watching a boxing match, you see somebody get knocked out and everybody just like for real because he gonna get out of you give him a pass on that one. The nineteen Yeah, No, I got on him yesterday. He's trumping he and it and its worst because the camera called him first. My man stopped a round and just
looked at Bro. You ain't gonna help him up, you know, give him somebody a shoulder, nothing, I mean, I you know, but it ain't that, you know, and like us said, man, when when your head's already hanging, you already getting beat like that and the season's going away, it is like that type of sometimes sometimes I gets slips your mind. So you know, it was it was. It was a lack of judgment there and it could have been done differently.
But hopefully Andy Donan is all right soon and he can he can be started for this team and get all his bonuses now. Previously or mix shots, Mickey Spacknola, he said, Troy Aikman backed him up and that hey, these are young offensive Lindman. A lot of guys knew and to playing in the league, and that they didn't really respond right because they're young. That's that's what Mickey's saying.
He's like, Troy Aikman's got my back here, and then Jerry Jones kind of had their back as well, saying that, you know what, a bunch of young guys here, and so that's that's the that is what certain people are saying. Okay, yeah, I agree, you know, I agree with Spacknola on that one. I mean, I said it yesterday. Even of course these guys, look, man, these guys are young. They didn't have you know, they don't got those guys out there to basically, you know,
show him how to go about it. You know, they get an excuse. Now nineteen he doesn't really get it. This year he doesn't get an excuse. But those yeah, those are the linemen. I mean that they're young. They're puppies out there, man. You know, I'm not sure if they knew what to do in that type of situation. Yeah, Like I said, like I said yesterday, they was getting they was getting brain speed off of them already, man. So they had a lot of other stuff on their mind.
And they're young. It was a lot of stuff going through the head. The people. The veterans are the guys who you know who really looked bad. So what was going through Connor? Connor Williams had thirty years start for the Cowboys. He was out there on the field. He ain't know what he do. He had so much to handle with with Jonathan Island and all them boys. He was just trying to survive to the whistle blows. And there's zero, there's zeros on the clock. I mean he
wasn't he He was trying to survive for himself. You know what I'm saying. He had had a long day, gentleman, Like I can't believe YouTube guys are saying this is this is standards, this is you say that like Connor Williams, is Leo Collins, Tyren Smith. I ain't say nothing yet, but he he hasn't been like one of them, one of them guys like h okay, so Church said they had babies out here, Connor Williams and three years in the league and make you a baby anymore. This is
a guy who is a federating football player. That's my point. It's okay, fine to be idist the center. Okay, he's he's new McGovern playing in the second third NFL game. Fun, but not your left guard, Connor Williams. This guy has been here playing next to Tyrant Smith, playing next to to Travis Frederick, playing with Zack Martin, playing with He's been a part of this and so he didn't do anything. That's what I'm saying is they're fine. If you want
to talk about some of the other guys. Terrence Steele but you know, and then nobody way cam Irby cam Irving is a guy who's note, this isn't some guy whose first rodeo out here. So I just give you two guys who who have been veterans. Let's not why are we giving them passes? I guess that's my question. Why are you giving dudes who are veterans passes? Man little kind of well, he just didn't have his boys with him. He didn't, you know, he didn't he didn't
had those boys that you know. It was just it was a crazy situation. I'll just put it like that. It was a crazy situation. What the standards dropping, the standards just dropping around the Dallas Cowboys just drop was trying to get out. Hey, give me a break real quick. Okay, let's let's take a break right here on the players launch by to you by Hotels dot Com. When we come back, something that Jerry Jones had to say about his head coach, we'll do that next right here on
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Jerry Jones had to say about his head coach, Mike McCarthy. Quote. One of the reasons Mike McCarthy is the coach is because he's been through it. He's had tough times, and he's had disappointing times. Certainly, we couldn't have wanted to be at this stage with our team this year. But if I'm going to hire a coach that will be at this stage and work through this for the betterment for the rest of the year and for what's in the future, I got my man. So Jerry Jones sticking
with Mike McCartney. How about them apples sound like church? I mean, listen, what what what is he supposed to say? I mean, listen, Jerry's gonna stick with him, and uh, you know if he does, like I said, I don't see these position coaches. So maybe these one of these offensive coordinators making it through to the end or or possibly to the next season. But okay, Mike mcconny is gonna be here. But there's going to have to be some changes, and not just on the D line. There's
gonna have to be some coaches changes. Made. Yeah. Man, he's found this guy. I mean, he's with me on this one. He's drinking the kool aid too. Man. Look, we didn't expect this to happen. Man, we didn't expect it. You know, our whole all pro offensive line to go down. You know, we didn't expect to lose our franchise quarterback. We didn't expect you know, our ninety million dollars running back to kind of kind of take a step backwards.
But you know, these things happen. And when I think we got the right dude in place to whether this storm, I mean, look right now, we're not getting a lot of response from our from our players, all right. It's not really click right now. But thankfully to NFC, East is trash. So hopefully we can get things Roland and we'll get in the right direction. Man, I'm still with this squad, and I'm still with McCarthy. It's just rough right now. It's it is rough. It's hard to root
for these guys. But we still got a chance, man, And I can't bail. I can't bail on them right now. I can't do it. So Church to listen to you. You bought in up, Mike, McCarthy. So I go back to something I said yesterday at the end of the year, if you're going to choose the coach, then you're going to have to get rid of some players because clearly
they've not bought in. You already saw what the anonymous sources said to Jane Slater, and they already proved them right one at one week, you know, a week later. So you're gonna have to throw dudes overboard if you're going to keep these coaches. And yes, I expect that one of the defensive backs coaches, if not both defensive back coaches, that probably go ahead. They have to take the bullet here that that's probably what they'll do. But
to me, Church, you can't bring it both back. You can't bring back these same players and this head coach because they didn't buying in what the head coach defensive coordinated one. So you're gonna have to get rid of some guys. You may even have to eat some contracts.
I mean, yeah, that's that's that's basically what I think he's saying right now in those comments that they got the guy they want and yeah, we're gonna side with the coach, and you know, a lot of these guys coming in to these big contracts next year, we might have to dump a little bit of them. And you know,
somebody's gonna have to be the sacrificial lamb. I mean, we can't go out here and be two and five and and if we don't go to the playoffs, if we don't win the NFC East, somebody, somebody's got to bite the bullet for it. And um, you know, after what these comments, I don't think it'll be Mike McCarthy. I don't think it'll be somebody lower on the totem pole, like you said, maybe a position coach or something like that. But it sounds like from all these reports that he
sign went the coach on this one. I mean, who who's contracted or they're gonna eat? Tank Ain't going nowhere, Jayalen ain't going nowhere. Uh you know other than that, you know who all this Smith, Crawford, Uh, Woods? I mean, who's going somewhere? You drafted digs, you just pay Anthony Brown, which you know that's not really a contract that you just dying to get rid of. So who's going somewhere that that is that is a significant player. But Woods
is up he's a free agent, significant contract. You can oh wait wait, no significant contract. He's he's a friend like you back. You're not getting no, no, you're not giving away his contract. I'm saying, like, who's contract. Ain't look at him, man, I mean, this is this, this, this will be on this will be obviously, this will be on the head coach he I guess he'll be able to sit up here and Tael Jerry who needs who needs to die? I don't know, but yes, woods
Is contract is up, Crawford's contractors up. I don't know. I don't know. That's the thing. I don't know that he's he's Mike Nolan. His praise Jalen Smith repeatedly, and he says he doesn't understand the outside criticism about Jalen. So apparently Jalen is good with with with the DC and Mike McCarthy. So I don't know if he'll go but um, you know, ever Sa Griffin will be going here. But I'm not sure. But along the way you got
gout and it wasn't just the anonymous sources. Defensively, there are also people who aren't happy on the offensive side of the ball. So that's my thing. Is is they're going to have to change out some players, you know, and if it if it involves eating contracts, that's the other question. Is Jerry willing to do that? Because you need to make sure if you're gonna roll with Mike McCarthy, then you need to get Mike McCarthy what he needs.
It's kind of the same thing I talked about the Texas Rangers baseball team as they struggled last year, finished the second worst record baseball. Like, you got dudes who haven't bought into the manager. The best thing the general manager can do is get rid of the players who don't want to buy into what the manager wants. That's one reason why Ron Washington was able to win in
and take this team to two World Series. It's because they got rid of the dudes who didn't want to be dad with the way Wash was running the thing. And that, to me is what I believe they have to do here is if you're gonna go with Mike McCarthy, then you gotta get rid of some of the players who don't want to roll. I think you gotta do that. I think you gotta give him a chance to go down with I mean, like you said, I think you gotta get his own players in here. I think he
got to snatch the play calling sheet. And and like we said before, if he's gonna go down, if everything's gonna just just fail, and you know what's gonna hit the fan, at least he knows he went down on his terms and on his ability and not somebody else. And so for me, yeah, I mean, you gotta give him the reins or at least he gotta want to
take him. I'm not surprised he didn't take it yet. Now, now on the offensive side of the ball, and when you talk about contracts and you talk about listen, I want to know because I talked about the yesterday, and I want to know what McCarthy wants to do, Like what the identity of the of the offense that he wants. We have a running back who if you focus the offense on the running game and then have everything else based off of that, then I think you could be successful.
But if you're going to come out here and line up in three receivers the entire game and throw the ball four to fifty times, and that's what you want to do, then what are you doing with a ninety million dollar running back and then and and that's why I said, it worries me that you have that, And then now he's splitting carriage with Tony Pollard, Tony Pollard carriage at the beginning of the season. That's why I said, I'm worried about Zeke that Like, what is McCarthy gonna do.
He's not calling plays now, so you know, you said he want to get his players and whatever to fit his type of style. Does Zeke fitting that style? What are you gonna do with uh? With t Smith? You know, what are you gonna do on the on line? If he goes air raid? Let's just say, like how you said. If he's starting to go air raid and he wants to, you know, feature the passing part of this offense, do you try to get something you know for Zeke? Is that something you would you would try to go you
gotta look for into Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I mean no offense to Zeke. I love Zeke. I think that we should base our our our offense around him. But if you got a ninety million dollars running back sitting back there, getting twelve carries a game, and you talk about you're gonna put him in the passing game just running flat routes and screens. He you're not getting your money's worth out of that, and you're not You're doing him a disservice by missing his career because that's
not the type of player that he is. I agree with you, but I'll also say this, Danny, I don't know if you can trade that contract because it's it's such a large contract, and so many teams in the NFL don't want to play that style of football and invest that much into the running back position. The Cowboys went in deep where a lot of folks just just don't want to do it. And that's that's kind of my thing on that we talked about, you know, moving
on from z is you're not trading that thing. I mean, I just don't see many people wanting to do it. And and the teams that have invested this kind of money in a running back. You look at the Jets that didn't work out fifteen MILLI that they were given Levon Bell that didn't work Ums, the Carolina Panthers just topped the deal that was given out by UM. The Cowboys with Carolina did it with us run CMC and you see he's hurt. Uh Tennessee. You know they already
got their guy, Derrek Kenny. They just signed him to a deal, so you know they were They're not going to be in the market to try and pay him. And even the well the Texans are they got salary cap problems that can they can they do anything? They don't have a receiver. I mean they got David Justin as they running back. Is there anything they could do to get to get another UH star caliber player on their team if you're just looking for looking for places
farm the land? Okay, So here's the problem with the Texans. Number one, they got cap issues. And number two, if they make a trade with you, they don't have anybody. They don't have a first round picked up the second round pick this year. So what you wanna take? You know, what are you taking? You're just trying to offload a contract at this point, like like how they do a basketball you just you just try to get this countrack off your books. You just trying to find a way
to free up some bread. That's what they do a basketball side side and cut. Well, Houston is not going to be in the business of trying to to add salary like that, they they have cap issues, as many teams are going to have cap issues because in twenty twenty one that's going down. So you're not seeing people trying to run out here and add you know, running
back making fifteen million dollars. It's just it's just not there. Um. I think what you have to do is really have the philosophy philosophical conversation with Mike McCarthy and Kellen Moore about what it is you want to do now. Something else I'll throw out here, And I don't know if
people are talking about it enough. Kellen Moore is most likely going to get an opportunity to coach in college football somewhere because the kind of numbers he's been able to put up in the offensive mind and the way college people are hiring folks today. I just would not be surprised if somebody came along and said to Kellen Moore, we want you to be our head coach somewhere in college football. I just would not be surprised because he's
a young guy. They're trying to get these young guys in here, and and Kelly may say, you know, look, I want to go ahead and run my own thing and until Kellen Moore could be gone next year because he's gotten a promotion that he's ended up becoming a head football coach at the collegiate level. I don't know, man, I don't know if he could be a head coach. I mean we were, we were teammates back in fifteen.
I think mccraie was with us. Why don't you when when Moore was our player and he just I mean he's a good dude, great dude, like, you know, nice, all things like that. But I just see him Moore as a coordinator, I don't see him having that you know, let's motivate these guys or get everybody going in the right direction. But you know, I could see him definitely getting you know, being a coordinator somewhere else. But as far as head coach, I just unless think things have
changed since then. I don't see him being that type of guy that can get the g get the guys rolling. So I don't know he gonna ride that back Prescott wave huh right that way? Even enough out of here, because we see how important Dak Prescott is. I mean, goodness, give him give him the ball of Russell receivers out there, and obviously he can get it done because what we're seeing now is not happening. Let's see what the offense looks like when he has to be creative with what
he has. Now, maybe the college coaches of the eighties are looking at that and saying, let's see what Let's see what he does and see if we aren't able to get all the top nas recruits because we were battling with Alabama and LSU and Clemson, let's see what he could do with with with some guys who aren't
five stars. Okay, all right, I'm just telling you, man, when you start talking about college jobs and this is a guy with the proper agent who will find himself in the mix, he will and that I mean, that's that's just how this thing works. I'm just telling him. That's just me now. I'm not sitting there here saying, hey man, he's about to get some you know, Florida State like job, not saying that, but a college job out there then in the ability to run your own thing, yeah,
that could be appealing to him. That could be appeal because I think Kellen Moore from an offensive standpoint, with what he's doing the work in college for sure he could definitely work on without a doubt. Yeah, go to the Big twelve. I mean they don't play defense over there. I mean I don't know if they do it over there either, So I mean I don't know. Okay, he got kool a House sauce into that. What's wrong with you? Where leave us? No problem with us? Problems we're talking
about the MAC. Don't want no problems with you. This is this is a perfect place to go ahead and end the show. It's a perfect let's do that. Let's do that edition. Other Players Lounge brought to you by Hotels dot Com, Sperry Church, Danny mc create two former Dallas Cowboys safeties up newly Scrugs, a long time Cowboys reporter. Thanks to our producer Chris Beam, always make sure we get on the air and handle our business. We'll chat with you tomorrow two thirty Central Time right here on
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