Player's Lounge: What Happens Next?

former Cowboys players. Danny McCray and Barry Church. Were broadcasting from our homes doing things in this new COVID nineteen that we've been dealing with here. So let's kick this thing off. Barry and Danny talking about the Cowboys and the fact that they're practicing. We had nineteen in the National Football League yesterday decide not to practice and hold

conversations dealing with social injustice. I was watching the Los Angeles Chargers from so Far Stadium and they ended up really going on the NFL networking several players just talking about what they were discussing as a team and what's been going on in the world. Here. The Cowboys practice yesterday. Mike McCarthy spoke about these guys wanting to practice today.

So I'll start with you, Danny mccraig, your thoughts on the Cowboys and the fact that right now they're practicing and no, by the way, the multiple Ravens did not practice today. Yeah, I'm absolutely not surprised. I guess the grace didn't reach that far to let these guys sit out of practice and really get this discussion started in the locker room and kind of change the culture of the team and how we kind of think about protests and social injustice. So I'm not really surprised. I wish

it would have went the other way. And of course, you know, coach is going to say the players wanted to practice, so so, you know, just to kind of save them in the public eye. But I'm sure it was some guys in the locker room who felt like they didn't want to go out there in practice and they would rather do what the other teams were doing around the NFL, but they just didn't get the chance too.

So hopefully sometimes in their future were able to change the outlook of the Cowboys and this social injustice and protesting process. But as of today, I'm definitely not surprised that we are a team that's practice a church. Yeah. Like like McCray said, I'm not surprised. We all kind of figured that this was going to happen. I mean, the Cowboys have been kind of quiet throughout this social

injustice programming. But listening to what the coach said, Coach McCarthy, I think you know, when they had to sit down discussion with the players and discussing social injustice, the players as a whole decided that they would rather go forward with practice. I mean that's from what you know Coach McCarthy had said. So as a coach, I mean, you can't force your team to sit out of practice. And even though we all well I know myself I can

just speak for myself. I wish they would have stayed set out of practice just to kind of had a symbol there. But if your players want to go forward with practice and they want to continue doing what they have to do to get ready for the season, then you can't play the coach and staff or anything like that for going to continue with practice. If the players want that, that's what the players do, and that's and

that's their team. So they decided to keep it moving hopefully they can continue to talk about social injustice within the team and get a better, better solution to it going forward. But I'm not surprised at all by the staying in practice. Wait, Church, tell me this. Do you think that the players are comfortable enough and feel like they like they can voice their opinion to not want

to practice because of social justice at this point? Or is it like we know where certain people stand, and we know and we feel like if we speak out opposite of that, then you know, we'll probably be fired or we'll be looked at a certain way. We have to worry about getting released just just based on comments that were made in the past. Oh, I can guarantee you that there's a lot of players who felt uncomfortable

going forward with practice is um. But like you said, there's you know, there's kind of a hierarchy to this, and if the players and the leaders in place of those players decide that, you know, we need to go ahead with practice, UM, then that's what the team is going to decide to. I mean, I know it's not a it's kind of a it's not a majority rules type situation. It's more of a what are the leaders of the team decide to do and then that's what

they do going forward. So, um, like like you said earlier, I'm not surprised, but I wish they would have had a better solution for this. All right, let's hear from head coach Mike McCarthy. He spoke at seven fifteen to the media today. The Cowboys ended up practicing from eight o'clock to ten o'clock am this morning. So here's coach McCarthy. Well, I mean when you talk about conversations, I think it's the obvious is you're having multiple individual conversations throughout the day.

We had a chance to address it as a team. Uh, you know, just just our directions as far as you know, making sure that everybody has the opportunity to be heard. That was that was right after after practice and and then we took you know, we had we had a team meeting there two forty five. We had an open form. You know, a number of people spoke and I feel like we have very good dialogue going on. And uh, as you know, as far as the direction, you know,

we're we're going to continue to to work. Um, I you know, just talking to the couple of the players one on one. UM, you know, they they want to practice and UM, so we'll just continue to talk through this and UM, once again, it's a it's about supporting everybody, you know, particularly from my focus in the football operation, and right now my high focuses on the players. All right. So that's coach McCarthy. And he kept talking about conversations.

And here's the question that I didn't get to ask him, but I will at some point in time, is when do the conversations lead to actions? Verry? That's that's the question that I think we're all asking ourselves and asking of the Cowboys. Um. You know, when I wish he would have had more context to this. I mean he's saying, you know, we have conversations, and I've talked to a

couple of the players individually. I wish he would have said, you know, I talked to the leaders, or I talked to Dak Prescott, or I talked to you know, Jalen Smith or those guys to see how to pick their brain. But UM, I wish she just had a little bit more context. What are the conversations you're having, what are the questions that you're asking, or what are the questions

your players are asking of the Cowboys to do. So I just wish he had a little bit more context to this so we could see a little bit more action from the Dallas Cowboys, but so far we haven't seen much. Now, let me understand, Danny, I was on the call, and so Mike said he didn't want to discuss that of what the players said, and he told us and our conversations with the players to ask them. So he was trying to make sure that he didn't step out of bounds with what they were saying. So

he wanted them to say. And so I give him credit on that aspect of saying, hey, look, let the players tell you exactly what they want to tell you, and I'll make sure I lay back. And I also asked McCarthy about Rob Davis, who's the Cowboys assistant head coach, and I said, how much do you lean on him? Uh? You know, African American, a guy's he's been with for a lot of years who grew up in DC. And

he said he talks to Rob a lot. So I get the feeling that Mike is really trying to give his players the opportunity to do a little bit kind of what they wanted. You to let them lead him where they want to go with this. Mccraig, go ahead, I mean back to the action part before you before you know, you get from from addressing and then to action. I'm still waiting on acknowledgement, right, Like I just want to hear, just like any like the Packers coach, like

La Fleur, hey man, this is wrong. This stuff is happening. This is wrong. We're against it, and we want to do something to correct it, like we want to move forward to figure out a way to get this fixed. It's never anything that comes like that. Like that was like, yeah, the players, we talked about. It was open dialogue and I'm here for the players. Well, here for the players to me is hey man, this is wrong. We understand how y'all feel. We see the same thing that y'all see.

Our eyes may have been closed, but now they're open and now we're with y'all and we want to figure out how to get this thing fixed and we're following, following your league. Like, I just want to hear some acknowledgement, and I think that comes before you're able to actually say, hey, we're about to put this plan into place and and

really act on something. Michael Gelkett of the Dallas Warning News on the call today asked McCarthy, being a white man, knowing that you can't experience what your black players go through, you know, what do you do? And he said, quarter, I'm a white man and I'm trying to understand what's truly going on. So I thought when that Mike did acknowledge as much as he could in terms of, hey, look,

I know I'm on the outside. That's where he talked about Rob Davis and having Rob Davis in the discussions as well here so that it might come out and tell you black lives matter the way Mike Gundy of v Oklahoma State didn't. No, he did not, not, not the way that Rick Carlisle or some other other NBA coaches did. No, he did not, but he did come. At least I felt the sense that the head coach

understands that they got to have these conversations. They need to get together and try to figure out how they want to go about their business. But the players are telling him they want to practice and they want to go about their business. Tyrann Smith, we were trying to get the audio of tyr Tyrn Smith said that they needed to balance doing their jobs and also looking at societal and social justice issues. So I keep hearing from the players they want to go out here and practice

and get ready for the season. So that's what I'm getting for the players. Well, yeah, this is the Cowboys, and they won't say anything opposite, So I don't expect to hear anything opposite of that from anyone, no matter everything. Feel feel that way or not. It's it's always been business as usual, even when JG was here, and it

looks like that it's going forward the same way. I think we will be the outlining for the remainder of the season when it comes to these social injustice pushes, and the team will continue to say, hey, we're focused on the next game, we focused on this, we focused on that, and the acknowledgement of what we're talking about

now is not coming out. And I feel kind of opposite of you knowing with McCarthy, kind of acknowledging what's going on out there, because you don't have to be black to see that this stuff is wrong and understand you understand that people getting killed in the streets, even if they're innocent or guilty, not being able to go to George the court and uh, you know, and be tried by jury or received true justice and just being killed.

You don't have to be blacked to see that that's wrong or learn to understand that this has been going on for four years just an NFL with Colin Kaepernick. So understanding what's four years ago now is acknowledging and doing something about it. Cam cam Irving spoke to the media today and cam Irving said, let me quote, you feel angry, you feel frustration, you feel there's nothing that you can really do. He went on to say that the players and the team are still deciding what to

do and quote further progress. We don't want to come out with a bunch of different opinions and views and quote, and he said that they want to be united. And I keep hearing that from Cowboy players, that we want to do something as a team. I don't know what that is, Danny, but that I keep I keep waiting on the action. I keep hearing as a conversation, we're meeting, we're talking. One day, We're gonna one day, one day we're gonna do something. And you got you gotta gonna

see it. You're all gonna feel it so, so get ready. The last time they came out as a team, they came out and took a nap before the anthem for the Arizona Cardinals game, right, that was their team unity for a moment of prayers. So I'm not I'm not banking on any team unity message or are playing the actually coming out. I got to see it to believe it, as as I've always been and what I've seen, I'm

not believing. I mean, and they can think about it, and the players that they've told you themselves, even Tyron Smith, he said, you know, we're focused on a balance and getting after practice and you know, getting ready for the season. So if that's one of your leaders of your team speaking that way, saying we're getting ready for the season, I mean, I just don't see any action or even conversations taking place in that locker room if that one of your leaders is focusing on getting ready for the

season and practice and preparation. So I don't know if I believe that conversations are happening within that locker room now. Terry Polis Terry Poe is so I'm happy for him. I'm happy he's saying what he's saying, so I'm good with him, all right. I want to make sure we're being fair to tiring. Now he spoke about we are having conversations, we are talking, but we also are preparing as a team. So I want to make sure that

I get that shure. That's why I'm trying to get the audio because because you know, we can can misconstrue this a little bit if you haven't heard what he's actually saying here. Now, Danny, when you go back to what we spoke, what you spoke about with Arizona. Jerry Jones was on one oh five three, the Fan of the Cowboys flagship radio station on Tuesday, and Jerry said, that's what he's hoping for. He's hoping to have another

compromise where they make both sides somehow feel good. So Jerry's still trying to walk this line here in terms of how they go forward with their message or their unity as a team. So that's what Jerry's rooting for right now. But Nui, what do you mean by both sides? I was kind of confused, what do you mean by both appeasing both? Well, Jerry has consistently let you know that he is he and when he talked. Remember we talked about the whole Grace thing. What he was trying

to get with grace. He wants to make sure that, Okay, I don't upset my fans that think that these protests are wrong. And oh, by the way, I don't want to upset my fans who were saying, you know, I with the players want to kneel and I want to support that. He's trying to have it both ways. He's trying to be a businessman that makes all of his customers happy, which you cannot do in this situation. You do have to choose a side here, and that's where

Jerry's trying not to do. He's trying not to prove it. He's trying not to choose the side. And I feel like the players are also trying to do that same thing. We want to do something united, and we want to do something where we make everyone happy and nobody feels uncomfortable. Somebody's got feel uncomfortable. Okay, that's a bottom. You're going

to make people feel uncomfortable. I'll tell you this. Listen at the rates going and what we're hearing from some of these NFL teams and players, the hand will be forced. Imagine playing the New York Giants and you go out there for warm ups, and you go out there for the game, and that team doesn't come out, and you out there with your helming on, you gass though ready running out there eleven personnel, and everybody else in the league it's not playing. You will be the outlier in

your side will be chosen. That is a picture that I hope we don't see what the Cowboys, But like I said, I don't believe that we were going the other duration. But then we're focusing on the season while all these other people are focusing on human rights well having conversations though. So yeah, Danny, I come back to this of what you just spoke about the Giants, Um, what about the Orlando Magic who was they were put in that very situation this week where they're out there

warming up and the Bucks don't come. How did you view Orlando in that situation? Yeah? I see, But I think that's a little different because that was the first. This is this is the first that has happened. I believe that that they followed suit and they were kind of caught off guard. I don't think the Cowboys would

be caught off guard. I think it will be. It will be known that the other football team will not be coming out if they're if they're not going to show up and they're gonna boycott and not play, and then the Cowboys will be forced to make the decision to either go out there and play or say we're standing with the rest of the league or the rest of the players who aren't going out there in boycott. And then you will have to make that decision. And

we'll see and that will be the picture. Are we out the eleven person they're going against ourselves, or are we saying we're boycotting as well because we see what's going on is wrong. Game one is against the Los Angeles Rams on NBC Sunday Night Football, Sunday Night Football. That's it. Everybody else's played that day. That means you are the last and final game. That game will be

in Inglewood, California, at the brand new SOFI Stadium. And I'm gonna be honest with you, Danny, I don't see either squad having fifty three guys all say I'm not gonna play today. I just don't see that from NFL players. I don't see them doing that. I don't see their them having enough guys and all say yeah, I'll go along with this. I don't either. I don't see yeah,

I don't either. I don't see this both teams. Like you said on Sunday Night Football on one of the prime time stages of the NFL as Week one kicks off, you know, I'm sorry, I just don't see either of those teams I'm taking a knee or taking any type of protest towards this situation. Okay, look at it from this point of view, right, So I don't see it happened in Week one unless another black man or black person gets killed right before the game in Week one.

History shows us that sometimes throughout the season there will possibly be another racial injustice or police brutality incident that happens, and then the NFL and the players will have to react to it. So I see it happening if we have another incident like just happened, and if it doesn't, then yeah, all the teams, everybody will play. But I think, you know, this will be a kind of kind of died down and emotions would be not as high as

they work come Week one. But if we have another one of these issues, then I can see that happened. I can see teams not showing all fifty three guys saying, hey, we're not going out there to play. Okay, we're cray, I'm gonna throw this check, all right, anybody is thinking about not playing an NFL game. We all know dudes are paid week to week. So you're talking about being

up a check. And most of these guys, unless you got you a huge roster bonus, or you got yourself when you signed your contract, you got a nice fat salary of some salary up front here guarantee you're making your money week to week. How many guys were really willing to go out here sacrifice a check. That's something I don't really see happening. I don't see that happening.

I really don't. I really don't. When you're talking about sixteen weeks and then that, and we don't know how many weeks they're gonna actually get in because of COVID. So so let's see this. So the NBA games were postponed, not canceled, So I don't see them giving up checks. And I don't see the NFL straight up cancel in the game. I see them if this happens, they will postpone or they will make their money on that game.

So don't I don't see it happening like that. And we've seen some of the players willing to set out of mischecks based on COVID, so it's not impossible. And how many guys that you need to sit out before

you can't play a game. I'm sure somebody had figured out out to do the numbers, and they'll get a group of guys who say, hey, we're not getting it, or you might get some guys to follow suit, just like they did and when they called out the commissioner in the NFL with Colin Kaepernick, and you get a group of leaders from each team and they speak up and then everybody follow suit. Let's not it's not impossible. Things are changing and we'll see how this thing pans

out during the season. I pray that we don't have another issue like we did, but history is it's showing that this is starting to happen more frequently than not. All right, I want to go back to what I saw in the NBA where they said that the Clippers and Lakers had voted them amongst themselves to cancel the rest of the playoffs. Then the next day the players come out and say, no, we're not canceling the playoffs.

And later on I read about how the NBA ownership said, if you guys end up saying it's over, we're going to be reducing salaries twenty five to It's amazing howbody decided not, but we're gonna play. When you talk about reducing salaries twenty five because this is a pandemic, Okay, I mean so, so once again, I go back to this, Danny. It's idealism. Hey, look, you know we're not gonna play,

but the realism is you're not gonna get paid. And guys have bills and we know that they're guys on this football team, and across the league, some of the guys have not gotten paychecks since they last they played last year. Cut got here on fumes, man, But your comparison is off. You're talking about the NBA, who is in the first round of the playoffs, who essentially has another month to play, canceling the rest of their playoff season,

versus the NFL protesting in boycotting one game. Like I don't, I don't think that comparison is equal. So yeah, of course they're gonna cut salaries put for the players is playing if they missed the second round, third round, and in the championship, Yeah, they're missing so much more time.

We're comparing this to in the NFL. I mean the NBA who postponed the game they'll be playing again tomorrow, to the NFL players boycotting and possibly having to replay that game in January versus doing it in whatever week that they that they choose the boycott if if it happens. I'm just saying, it's not impossible for the NFL players to band together and say this is enough and we're boycotting. We started with practice and they're moving on up the ladder,

and it can get into a game. Church. I mean, the day you gave people you put it well said. I mean, but I just don't think. I don't in my opinion, I just don't think the NFL players are gonna I just don't think the union as a players are strong enough to withstand, you know, boycotting one, two, three games. Like you said Newly, I think it all

comes down. I think it all comes down to money. Um, and I think those guys who are undrafted free agents who are looking for that first paycheck that the NFL can provide for them. I don't think they're willing to step out in boycott for a pool, for a full season or for a couple of games. I think they want that paycheck and have that money. So I just think I just don't think they'd be able to do that. Barry, you know, we're still talking about we still talk about

one game here. Okay, so now so now, but but what Church said here takes me back to what what are we talking about with the labor agreement here? Okay, we didn't have players who would even get together to say, you know what, we're gonna hold out withhold our services. We'll even miss some games here to get the deals we want because we are the show. So if they're not willing to do that when it comes to their own pay, we're not saying that they're gonna sit there

here and miss a game. Check over social justice and you got certain guys on teams, you got a certain number of guys on teams. You're like, man, I ain't, I don't, I don't really believe in all this. It ain't happening, man, It's not happening. That's crazy. It's just too many players could team, too many personalities. In my opinion, it didn't happen in the NBA before the other night. We just said the same thing about different animal before

the other night. Man, they're not protesting, not Lebron James, that never not gonna play. I know it's a different animal, but that's what But you trying to compare like it's the same. I'm just saying that it's pop. Listen, Knuis,

I'm too annoy against you, right, let's not. It's very possible that if another horrific and tragic event happens that to where the whole world sees it as racial and social injustice and police brutality, that the top will come off of this thing and people will do what they need to do to bring the right attention to it. I just think it's possible. I think that that the

unity is getting stronger. I think we're seeing it, and I think the NBA has has has been a shining example of what can be done when the player standing together, as you've seen with the NHL following, MLB following Soccer following w NBA following, It's only one more organization who would have to do it, and that's us, So we'll see. I still think it's possible. Like I said, I say this, I say this, and I say, I hope not because for this to happen, something horrible would have to happen again.

So I really pray that none of this happens. We're just speaking of ut the players stick together if they had to, and I believe that they can. He is Danny McCrae. That's Barry Church, former Cowboys players. I knew he scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter. All right, let's take a break here on the players Lounge. Mike McCarthy. I asked him a question today at the press conference involving Earl Thomas. Okay, he's a free agent. He's been linked to the Cowboys, and so far we don't see a deal at all

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and also what the Dallas Cowboys are doing. Let's get into the actual Cowboy roster and what they're doing. Earl Thomas cut By the Baltimore Ravens for conduct detrimental to the organization and they want their ten million dollars back, So they are now engaged in a fight with Earl Thomas and obviously his agent. They go try and file agreements to get money back, but the Ravens leadership council ended up telling the team management, we don't want Earl

Thomas here anymore. He is gone. The Cowboys were asked about Earl Thomas Jerry Jones, who specifically on Tuesday during his radio show in one to five three of the Fan and Jerry left that door open. I asked Mike McCarthy today if there's an update about Earl Thomas and the Cowboys, and listen to what the Cowboy head coach had to set. Yeah. I really don't have anything else to report on the roster. So yeah, I haven't been part of those any conversations. All right, let's get it

going here on the players lounge about Earl Thomas. Danny mccraig, Barry Church, you guys are former NFL safeties. Do you want the Cowboys to sign Earl Thomas. Mccraig go, uh no, nah, man, I think I think the Cowboys are good with what they got. I think, you know, the story is coming out of there about Earl Thomas and the two teams letting go of this superstar player, letting him get out of there. I think he has a lot of baggage with him. Uh, he has plenty of time to go

get his car watch now, man. So I would say, just let him stay, stay where he is, let another team pick up that baggage, and just keep keep the camaraderie that we have in the in the unity that we have on our defense right now. No, I don't think the Cowboys need to pick up Earl Thomas here on free agency. Yes, he's a transcendent safety. He's you know, more than likely he'll be in the Hall of Fame. He's a perennial pro bowler. He's one of those guys that can make a defense a heck of a lot better.

But in speaking with my past teammates who have also been teammates of Earl Thomas in the past, he has all these great characteristics as far as he's talented, he's all this and all that. But the problem that a lot of them had was he didn't hold himself accountable

and he held everybody else accountable. So for an example of that is, if on a play he's being and cover three, he's in the middle of the field, and that's what Cover three, the free safety is supposed to be in the middle of the field, he might go around and just blits off the edge thinking he can be he could make a play that way, and when it messes up, if another player would to talk to him about it and say, hey, man, you can't do that. That's you know, that's not a part of the defense.

That doesn't fit this scheme, he would go off on them and chew them out. But if another player messed up, he would go and chew them out about that about being accountable. So I just don't think a lot of

players like that. He didn't held his self accountable, but held other people to the fire, and I just don't think that'd be a good chemistry set With the Dallas Cowboys, do you know any coverages you gotta blows a superstar before your teammates to be like, man, hey, you can't get it done, bro, we gotta get you up about it here. You gotta be blowing. So the serious coverages are not picking up on no type of defense to be a superstar, and the guys are like none, Bro,

we better without you. I mean, look at the Steelers back in the day. They had, you know, the Troy Polamala rule and that, and he was a guy that couldn't pretty much do whatever he wanted on the field, but the teammates involved. I mean, he was a great teammate and if he messed up, he took accountability for that. And I just think that's what rubs the other teammates wrong when they talk about Earl Thomas. But like you said, man, you gotta be messing up and blowing a lot of

coverages if you're that talented. But teams are just like, man, we just can't deal with you. You gotta be a locker room menace. I think about Mike McCarthy and I'm trying to get to know him in terms of how he delivers his messages at press conference, because all coaches, if you listen to what they say, they'll give you clues about how they truly feel. And and that quick, short SoundBite about Earl Thomas, the way I took it from Mike McCarthy was yeah, I mean I want no

parts of this guy. I'm good. I don't want any parts of Despite what his resume says, he is as a player that Mike McCarthy is running away from a guy that he doesn't think is a team guy, and I must make sure I restake this one more time. The players on the Baltimore Ravens, a team that with fourteen and two last year, all said, hey, man, get this guy out of here. We don't need this guy. We think we can win the super Bowl, but we'll

be okay without this guy. On the bus and YouTube play guys will put up with a lot if a dude can help them win games. On Sundays, they all said, we don't want this guy, and I don't know why more fans and more specifically, more media are not talking about that very thing. The dudes who play in the room with them all said, get this guy out there, get him out of our trenches. Man, we will go

to war with someone else. If we're interpreting what Mike McCarthy was trying to say, just I'm would just get us some shot. From my point of view, he was saying, I'm running away from Earl, but some other people in the building made me running toward him and I'm finally getting the taste of what I've been hearing in the media. If I might not have that much say so, and who's on this team and who's not so Earl Thomas could possibly be on the team. But ain't nobody talking

to me about that? Oh, he definitely feels that way. I mean, wait, he just kind of responded so short, was just like, yeah, I mean, he wanted to see you, kind of he kind of shut it off quick, but he was kind of just like, man, yeah, I'm not privy to those conversation. Kind you can tell he kind of wanted to say that, but he kind of just left it at that. But yeah, you could tell he just doesn't want anything to do with him. And I

don't blame him. I mean, I feel like they got something going right now chemistry wise, and they just don't want to mess anything up, especially this close to the regular season. Now, think about that or died more than what he said. I don't know about those conversations. You're the head coach of the team, and along the way so far he's been involved in a whole lot of conversations and now all of a sudden, here you decide

I don't know nothing about this. Maybe they'ren't want that chatting about it, but I already told him, I'm good. We're good. I already told him good. So I don't know if they're still chatting about it, but I gave my opinion, said nah Man. Mike Nolan, my defensive coordinator, who used to be the defensive coordinator, He's already called people up in Baltimore and said, nah Man, we're good.

So let's further this conversation. Is Darian Thompson going to take out Haha, Clinton Dix and become the starting safety next to Antoine? She said, Xavier Woods out there in the defensive back room, I mean, yeah, yeah. From from all the conversations we're having from camp, I mean, Darian Thompson is playing phenomenal right now. I mean he's playing great in coverage. He's kind of being that quarterback of the defense, which is great for the defense that's learning

a totally new scheme. So if you got a guy that's confident enough to bark out commands to the defense and it's the right commands, then he's already had a leg up on the competition. But like mcrai said, I've been in these battles pretty much my whole career with the Dallas Guy Boys. I mean, ever since I started in my third season. I mean, they've been bringing guys

in to kind of replace me. So if I'm if I'm Xavier Woods and I'm hearing all this, you know, Earl Thomas talk, or if I'm Hot Clinton Dick's hearing all this, you know, Dari and Thompson talk, I just gotta, you know, kind of focusing on what I know I can do and then excel at what I can play, because you're gonna hear that. I know, all the NFL players sit there and say, oh, I don't hear any of that talk. I don't see any of those posts, or I don't hear any media or anything like that.

They're lying because everybody hears everything, and everybody listens to everything, especially when your name is added in a tweet or an Instagram post. You're looking at that. So just kind of if you can't, try your hardest to block it out, but we know it's there. So you just got to focus on what you can do and try to provide

a great quality reps for this team. Yeah, like I said, I remember Church, they brought in the guy name of Brodney Pool when rob Ryan came in, he yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, he's supposed to be the guy, right, he's supposed to be the guy in Church. Wasn't gonna be the starter in Churches? One out there and I'll play them and then I only think Brodney was on the

team for very long. Um, So I think I think this one's just a little different, just because they don't have preseason games and you really can't really see, you know, how how somebody's gonna play. So I think they both will still get an opportunity in live action. Um but from what I'm hearing from from from BT, I think that that he has a real chance to keep how

high off the venture off the team. But we'll see once they get to plan them in live games and those those real live bullets start coming at you because things changed, then Yeah, and that's a great point, Danny. We all know in practice, you know, there's there's such this is a real thing. You know, in practice, there's players that perform unbelievably. I mean they're out there looking like all pros. But when you get to the regular season and we get the real live bullets, flying at you.

You know, they kind of you know, basically you know what hits the fans. So um, you know, he could play and perform all well in practice. It's just gonna have to see what happens in those regular season games. And too bad we don't have preseason games to really see what this competition can lead to. Baby, you talk about the the All Oxnard team. Oh yeah, you know

what I'm talking about. New. But you go out there in your practice against the same guys all the time, and you go against the same office, and then you get into the regular season and you got three or four days to prepare for a whole new system, and all of a sudden you get out there and still start looking looking real crazy because because of coming in your fast, things change. Things change. Yeah, man, that that preseason game here, they looked so good. They were all Oxnard,

looked so good. Ox Start all Star, get out there, go down there. I have to play the Chargers and the Niners and the Raiders and get it done. Man, that happened to Danny am Mondola. I remember all Danny every doing it looks so good. There was the Chargers

dropped a punk, couldn't catch anything. And next thing, you know, man, he was gone, and then he was with the Rams for a minute, and then he went to Philadelphia and he finally ended up you know, obviously, you know, he ended up having a very nice career year and he's still playing and it was part of a super a Super Bowl or two with the Patriots. But but it happens. Man, guys are looking good and they can't do anything at all. Of the guys who were kickers. I keep seeing that

through the years. Man, these kickers look so good it can't next thing. You know, you gotta get out here. He's a real crowd and then bam, they got nothing for you. So so based on that, do you believe Halin Dix makes this roster before they totally just turn it over and say, all right, Darren Thomson, we trust

you as a starter. Yeah, I think that. I think ka Clinton Dix, I think we'll have a chance to be a starter on this team out even though Darren Thompson is playing well, I think they'll give that first crack to Clinton disk just because they have more invested in him. When it comes to money wise, Now, if if they were bringing in like an Earl Thomas or something like that. I feel as though they would let

Hi High go. But if that doesn't happen, I think they'll let him get that first crack at it and he'll it's gonna be his responsibility to excel or lose that job. You notice, I was about to say, you noticed that Ha brought haha Clinton diship any of these media sessions lately. If we start seeing we start seeing Daniel Thompson on some on some media things and get

ready to package stuff. Man, I feel so bad man, because somebody posted a picture on Twitter of how Ha sitting like ten or standing in ten yards behind behind the crowd, looking real sad, and it was like and then it was like Daria Thompson might might keep you know, on the bench or something like that. And I was like, come on, man, y'all, y'all doing the guard wrong. Y'all like two weeks in the practice, all right, have not come in there. Once you start real tackling, we'll see.

Shout out to both of them. But like I said, this is a whole different season, and I believe that the first game will be it won't be played like the preseason game, but it'll be for where the coaches are able to see how these players really reactive in the results that they put up in a real live action. Okay, let's take another break. When we come back, let's dive into the starting projected secondary, what Danny and Barry think

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All Right, Church, let's get into what you believe will be the Dallas Cowboys starting secondary. Oh, well, this is just that's a great question. It's going to be. It's a tough choice for me, So I'm saying their secondary. I'm going with nickels. So I'm adding the nickel back, which is that slot corner for those who don't know, I'm going to add that in there as a starting secondary piece. So for me, I'm gonna start with the safeties. I think Woods and Clinton ho Hot Dicks are going

to be the entrenched starters. I think Woods is definitely penciledn locked in. If he can just you know, stay healthy and all that stuff, I think he'll have that spot for sure. How Hot Clinton Dicks right now is in the competition with Darian Thompson, but I do believe the Cowboys will let him get the nod during the first weekend. It'll be his job to lose. Now on the corner situation, that's gonna be a lot tougher because I mean, this is I think the biggest competition throughout

all of training camp in all positions. I think corner is the biggest battle. But I have on the left side, I have Chito Woozier. I think he's gonna start the outside left corner, and I just think the Dallas Cowboys are gonna give him a chance to kind of get out of that rut that he had last season, and hopefully he'll be able to get out of that and with a new scheme and multiple looks, be able to play a lot better than he did last year on the right side, I think I got the young guy,

the rookie coming in Tavon Digs. From what I've seen in practice, he's excelled in coverage, especially press man the man. He's aggressive when going after the ball, and he competes all the way to the end, even if the receiver has has, you know, his hands both on the ball. He's ripping and pulling and tugging at that ball to get it out. So I think the coaches would love that aggressive style and that ball mentality that he possesses.

Now for the slot position, the nickel cornerback position, I think that's going to be the biggest competition within the secondary because I think you have two guys there that are perfectly suited to play nickel, and that's Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown. They're both quick, instinctful players who are not afraid to stick their nose in there against the run.

Because if you're doing a nickel package, the nickel is kind of like that extra linebacker who has the ability to cover wide receivers, So you're gonna have to be in there versus the run, and neither of those guys are scared to do that. They Like I said, they possess great quicks instincts and they're very sticky coverage. So I think those type of guys and also they blitz very well, and those are the type of corners that you need for a nickel position. So I think the

biggest competition will be those two. But I think Jordan Lewis pulls it out at the end. I mean, he had a great not a great season, but a good season last year and the nickel and I think he's their best defensive back as a whole when it comes to the secondary, So I believe he edges Anthony Brown out and I think that'll be your starting secondary for the twenty twenty regular season. Man was perfectly, well, go

ahead and do it. That was perfect. Here's my question, Well, Mike Nolan really want to trust a rookie that he hasn't seen in any preseason games to understand if he can can can you know, make the adjustments versus going with a veteran like Anthony Brown. And I bring that up because with the center position, they pretty much put Joe Looney there and they didn't even try to see if if Tyler beardest the rookie they drafted out of Wisconsin or Connor McGovern who's in the second year. They

didn't even try those guys out there. I mean, it's basically but Joe Looney's you know, hey, we're gonna trust you. So that's kind of been my My take is, with no preseason action outside of C. D. Lamb, we really think we can see the Cowboy's top two draft picks being starters. I do, I honestly do. I just don't think there's someone out there Anthony Brown, like you mentioned, but I just don't think he has what it takes to kind of unseat unseat him as that starting cornerback

out there. I think that guy Tavon Days. He's long, he's lean, he's what coaches look like look for in a corner. He can press well, they know they like to play man and man coverage, and he can run with anybody in this league. He's very athletic, and he has that kind of pedigree because he's come his brother Stefan Days, we works with constantly during the off season. I believe kind of pedigree kind of got him going in the right direction. So I feel like he's going

to be that starter. I could be wrong. But those are my projections for the starting secondary this year. Yeah, and I see Diggs being the starter one because of what Church said. And then two, we know how these draft picks go, and they'll get more chances than anyone. And essentially Diggs was the first round pick. I believe the Cowboys would have picked him in the first round had they not had cde Lamb not fallen to him.

So I'm still looking at him as a first round pick, so they're gonna give him all the opportunities that the first round pick would get. And adding on to George Lewis, you know, I think he's one of our top dvs and mainly because he turns the ball over. He's a playmaker every like, he can cover just like everybody else.

And what separates him as being able to get those interceptions, and we all know for the last few years that has been a big point of emphasis for the Cowboy actually the last ten because when I was playing for the Cowboys, we had the same issues. So so I know that they're going to get as many people out there that could turn the ball over as possible, and he is the main guy, So I see him easily

being a starter at that position. Well, see it. That's interesting me because I think about the first three games of the quarterbacks that go Jared Goff, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan. I see these guys trying to go after Diggs if they see him. Look out there on the football field, they see a rookie. And you're talking about the Rams with Cooper Cup and Robert Woods. They got another fast kid that's over there now. And then you got Seattle

with that that outstanding um speed of Tyler Lockett. Then they got that big, huge DK Metcalf and then of course you got the Falcons with the Hall of Fame credentialed Julio Jones and the speed Sir Calvin Ridley. I mean, yeah, who that's three games right there, man, that's a mente. That's but like you mentioned, coming out of rookie man. But like you mentioned, Nui, those receivers you you mentioned, you know, the Metcalfs and Julio Jones, those are big

body receive Those are grown men out there. So if you you know, try Anthony Brown out there. Nothing against Anthony Brown, but he just doesn't have that size to go against. So there's no they they're gonna go at him as well. So I just feel like if you put Tabon Digs out there, a longer, leaner guy, I feel like he has a better opportunity um and a better chance of playing against those bigger, stronger, faster receivers because we've seen what Julio Jones and Metcalf can do

to a smaller opponents out there. I'm gonna tell you like this, it doesn't matter based off last year. It doesn't matter who you roll out there. They are getting attacked like the quarterbacks looking at our secondary until not really until until we prove ourselves as being able to cover. We got some new guys out there, We still got some young guys out there. They're going to try everyone

no matter what. And I think this will be the year that we get out there and prove ourself because I think the pass rush will be able to help us out a little bit, and I think these guys will step up and prove that they're able to cover. There are some guys that are still gonna, you know, make their catches and get their hunting yard games, the Julio Joneses of the world. Some of those guys you

just have to try to limit. But I think no matter what, for the first three games, we're gonna see a lot of passions thrown on our secondary until we're able to prove ourselves and then and then things will hopefully change. No, I will be surprised. I go ahead, go ahead and do it. I'm sorry, go ahead, no no, no, no, no. Hit. I was just gonna say, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they if they came out with a kind of like a rotation, kind of like how the defensive

line does. I mean, I'm against that, but I mean, I know what happened my last year the Cowboys. We kind of rotated the secondary a little bit. But I wouldn't be surprised if the coaches kind of kind of did like with a D line and had a rotation in the secondary. I'm against it, but I wouldn't be surprised. If you're going to trust the rookie, you want to trust a guy who is a national champion, who's played for an elite head coach, who understands defense like Nick Saban.

So yes, you want to trust a roll tide type of corner out there, and I'm all for that if that's where they want to go. Wouldn't you agree, Danny mccret No, I mean I think we put up like Alabama. I rewatched the game. I've seen these getting caught on left and right, Jordan Jefferson, freshman Chase I've just seen it all over the place. So well, yo, Nick Saban was teaching them, but not that game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Um, Cowboy fans, great news about practice to Well Collins and

Tyrann Smith. The practice, Okay, these guys came out here and they ended up Dak Prescott ended up having a good practice show. The starting left and right tackle making their debuts at training camp here. That's a good thing as they get ready to get close to that that opening days uh game against the Los Angeles Rams so Far Stadium and Inglood, California on NBC Sunday Night Football.

So the offensive line is there, Joe Looney is going to be You're starting center at this point in time, and left left guard Carter Williams will be there, right right guard Zach Martin. I mean, this is this is good stuff if you're a Cowboy fan about what you're seeing and what what happened today at practice is that the gang was all back together it offered makes sense now, Louis Goodness. Of course, of course T Smith wanted to go practice. It was his first time. Let nobody stop

her from doing that. It all makes sense. I feel you, T Smith Man. You want to get out there and show show that you still healthy. Understand man, If it makes sense, Louis, I see where he was coming from. Yes, um,

still I wanted to talk about on Sunday. On Sunday, I got to go out to practice, and and it's one of those challenges where they only allow one person per media outlet, so I've got to really split reps with my folks who just really kind of hope that I can just you know, one of them doesn't want

to go one day and I get in. But I wanted to go see what the tight end situation looked like here because we spent so much time talking about what they're gonna get out of Zeke Elliott and then the three wide receivers Michael Gallup, Mary Cooper and the rookie Ceedee Lamb said, so what about the tight ends, Blake Jarwin, I want to make sure I preference this right.

He has Travis Kelsey like ability. I'm not saying he is, but what do you seem in the Chiefs and how they have him going down the middle and he's a mismatch. I'm seeing that out of Blake Jarwin should excite Cowboy fans. Dalton Schultz was a guy I was skeptical on and when I saw him at training camp, I said, Okay, you know, I could see this guy being a number two tight end. And then I'm looking at Sean mckinn out of Michigan who can block. They need to have

a tight end who can block. Bell will probably make the team because they signed him, but I'm thinking a guy like Sean mckin could be a fourth tight end they keep. And I think they may not have a fullback on this roster, and when they decide to go in an eye back field that they'll put a guy like Sean mckin who blocked at Michigan playing for Jim Harbor. I could see him being that fullback and being that guy that they kind of have in two spots. There,

give me your thoughts on the tight end position. Go ahead, Danny. Yeah, you know, the jury is out on Blake Jarwin. Like I said last year, I still think that he was he was held back just because he was playing behind with and I think he does have the ability to be one of those great tight ends, but that's only from a small Sampha size, So we have to see if the coaches staff really puts him in the in the position to make those plays like the Kilos and the Kelsey's of the world. I hope to see that.

I'm not sure about the fullback position, you know, I really did McCarthy have a fullback in Green Bay? Oh? Yeah, he had John Cooon. I mean he used the fullback I meant for people. Yeah, So I'm not I'm not as sure about us keeping that many tight ends over fullback. I think I see the fullback being a very important position, you know, considering that we have seek one of the best banks in the league who can really change the game, So any help that we can get him coming out

of the backfield would be much appreciated, I'm sure. So I can see us still going with a fullback. But I'm really high on Blake Jarwin. I think he can really make some big play, so my expectation for him it's really through the roof. For me, I see them keeping three tight ends here. Um I'm extremely high on Blake Jarwin. I've been streaming high on him since last year.

I felt like he could have broke out last year, but you know, we all know that we had the future Hall of Famer went in front of him kind of slowing them down. But um, this year, I think he's he's prying for a breakout year. UM. I feel like, you know, with all the coverage and all the eyes going towards Amark Hooper, m Ceedee Lamb, and Michael Gallop, that's gonna leave him with a lot of single man

and man coverage. And like you mentioned earlier, Nui, he's a mismatched nightmare, Like he can outrun linebackers and he can out physical safety. So I think he'll have a great season coming up this year. I think he'll break out. Um. I think they'll keep Dalton Schultz as that number two tight end. UM. I don't see him as being the Dallas Goddard to zach Ertz kind of deal with Blake Jarring.

But I feel like, you know, just he'll be an added depth piece and he'll be a piece that can you know, help you know, if it's a max protection or something like that. But I don't see them keeping for but I do see them keeping the Bell Dozer and Big Blake Bell and he can, you know, get into that fullback role like you had mentioned about the kid from Michigan. So I seen them keeping those three.

But I'm extremely, extremely high on Blake Jarring. I think he'll have a breakout year for the Dallas Cowboys this year. All right, remember the name Sha You picked him on your fantasy draft team. Oh yeah, you saw what happened. You saw he's coming, He's coming out. Hey, look, man, we know the last coaching the last the last coaching staff hell back, Blake Jarman. We know that they're gonna free Blake this year. So that's all good there, This

is true. Let me address something that maybe Cowboy fans haven't paid a lot of attention to. But I think it's just a big time move that happened, I should say, injury thing to happen to the Philadelphia Eagles, and that's their offensive lunt. They lost their left tackle, Audrey Dillard, and they've also lost their right guard, Brandon Brooks. These guys are gonna miss the year. Dillard out with a biceps injury here. So Jason Peters who was they had

him running at the guard position. Looks like they're gonna kick him back out to left tackle. He's dealt with a lot of injuries, and if it's one thing we've seen the past few seasons, we know Carson, Carson Wentz gets hurt and if you're out here with left tackle and guard issues, you're really now putting your quarterback in a tough position. And they talked about Miles Sanders and using him more this year, getting him a lot of

run catching the football ode of the backfield. But I'm sorry, man, if you can't block in this league, and you got to face the Cowboys and their defensive ends right now, the Eagles suffered a tough blow. And I don't know if enough people are talking about that. With two injuries, major injuries to their offensive line. Church, Yeah, those are huge,

huge blows to the Eagles. I mean, like you said, they struggled last year versus in protection for Carson Wentz, and we've seen if he gets hit too many times, he can go down for the injury. And like you said, they want to put Miles Sanders out of the backfield, let them catch passes out of the backfield. But you can't do that if you're if you're offensive line is suspect, I mean you can't. You have to have that back in there to help Max protect. So and all, I

think these are two huge losses. And like you mentioned the Dallas Cowboys defensive line, I mean, they're gonna come hunting for Carson Wentz. That defensive line in Washington, with the addition of Chase Young yet Ryan Carrigan out there, they're gonna be hunting for Carson Wentz. So this isn't an easy division for a team with a weak offensive line. And I think these are huge injuries. And you know, hey, good for the Cowboys for us, so hopefully we can

get after Carson Wentz when we see them down the road. Yeah, this is this is definitely huge. This is the worry I have for us. And thank goodness that both our love tackles came back. So they're in a position that I thought we were going to be in where we were we were missing some of some of our keypieces on the offensive line. So good for us, horrible for them. But this is another another case of those soft tissue

injuries happening. Uh, you know with that time off and no, no, OTAs and no mini camping, no no real training camp and training. So you know, I still, like I said, I still expect to see some more of these injuries happen, but I'm glad that we're so far we've been able to avoid those those type of things, with the exception of, uh, you know the big guy Jerald McCoy. How about Xavier McKinney.

Here's another players, Javon McKinney of the New York Giants and safety from Alabama that that that you know what, we had conversations about the Cowboys possibly drafted him. Uh, he's out. Grant Delpit, the outstanding safety from LSU, another player that the Cowboys. He's out for there. But right now, says Xavier McKinney, suffered a fractured left foot, So McKinney's going to be out there, saying maybe two to three months and then maybe they can bring him back here.

But this is this is uh, this is bad news for the Giants because we know that they're that's a that was a suspect defensive backfield anyway. And if you're talking about the Cowboys with the ability to have Blake Jarwin out on the football fields, those three wide receivers. Um, whoof you know that that that's uh, that's bad man, That is bad for for for the g men. So injuries across this league. If you're a Cowboy fan, you know you really had to start paying attention to what

else is going around the league. And that's what we try to bring you here on the Players Lounge about things to pay attention to because it matters. By the way, second round safety Grant delp It toward his achilles and three days ago, so delp It was slated to start at safety for the Browns, So that's not going to happen for him at all. That's him and Greedy Williams got got injured on the same day. But I think Greedy Greedy Williams to be back and delp It's out

of the season. So it was a tough Sunday for the LSU LSU NFL players, man, But shout out to him and wishing must be the recovery. And same for Greedy Williams. Yeah, you hate to see that happen, especially in his rookie season for him to have such a huge injury as an achilles. You know, he's young and hopefully he'll be able to fight back from this. I was able to do that as well, so hopefully he'll be able to be back next year and better than ever.

All right. September thirteenth, Rams Cowboys Sunday Night Football. Last question before we get out of here, and I'll start with you, mccraig, must win, yes or no? Listen for all the message you thought about McCarthy, Yes, this is this is a must win, all right, listen, you know what you know. Let me not take it that far.

This is a must perform, perform up to standard. Right, So if it's a close game, fine, If you go out here and you look like total garbage, yeah, the perception of what's going on in Dallas is going to be really, really bad, especially if those New York Football giants go out there and just blow out whoever they playing. You know you're gonna hear from me, real, real loud Louis for me, without a question, this is a must win. I mean, this is a Rams team that came down

to the Jerry World last year and got demolished. And this team lost Todd Gurley, they lost Brandon Cooks. They had a suspect offensive line to begin with. And so I mean the receivers out there, they're pretty good. They got Robert Woods and Cook the Cup. But there's no one out there that can just blow the top off

off of your secondary. So if we went out there and blew them out last year and then to come into this season and take an l to the Rams, who, like I mentioned, they lost those players, I think it'll be It's not a do or die, but I think it'll be an extreme confidence deflator if we went out there and lost that team. I look at the Rams and I look at the Cowboys, and just roster wise,

the Cowboys have more talent. The Cowboys have more talent, and now they've got better coaching with Mike Nolan's defensive coordinator and Mike McCarthy's coach. This is a game on Sunday Night football. And go ahead and make me look good. Okay, I want to look good as I'm sitting here saying, go ahead and handle handle handle your business. Handle your business.

So now he stop stop postponing this bet, bro, So listen next week when you come on the show, we should start off with what what what bets you want to make? So we can go to two sisters Okay, okay, we'll do that. We'll do that, and that's the way we're gonna end the show today. Danny trying to figure out how he can extract more payments from me in bets. He's Danny mccraig. That's Barry Church. I'm new he scricts. This is the Player's Louse, brought to you by Hotels

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