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Newy Scruggs, Barry Church and Danny McCray debate what the Cowboys should do now that they are 2-6, at the halfway point of the season and more on this episode of the Player's Lounge!

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The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's Lane broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs. Happy voting day everyone, Welcome to the Players Lounge, brought to you by Hotels dot Com. Newi Scrugs, a long time Cowboys broadcasters, joined by two guys who played for the Cowboys former sactis, Barry Church and Danny McCray. Fellas,

did we get our voting in already? You guys early voted? Right? Yeah? I went. I went just so I can make sure I didn't have any of those those issues with safety. I heard there was gonna be some stuff out there, so we went on and got it out of the way. All right, Church, Church, he dropped off and he has some technically Church. Uh gosh, Barry Spagnola again, can't get right. Listen, listen, we'll help you win. Put his vote in, man, it's doing to David Helm. I think every show has that

one person, Am I wrong? Chris Bean? And every show has the one person that can't get it right? Yeah, on the break. I mean he's like every show there's one person that's got some issues at times with their with their set up. There s WBC, Mortgage Holmes, Barry Church is here called. But I'm back. We read the roll. We're good to go. You know you want to go put your vote in? He said what I said? He was asking if we want to go vote. I said, you want to go vote? Real quick? Yeah, you know.

I had to do that real quick, and then I'm right back there, ready for the players. Louds man Berry, did you vote today or did you already early vote? No? I didn't not vote. I didn't not vote. Didn't that vote? You didn't vote? You didn't vote? No, you got time, bro, you gotta tell I got time. Maybe I'll do it after the show. Maybe I'll go ahead and slide it in after the show. Well let me. I'm gonna ask this question here, because this is this is really key.

Are you registered? Yes? I am registered? I am registered. Then you need to go vote, all right, you know I'll get it. I'll get there in a minute, Pops. You know I'll get it in a minute. Father, You need to go vote. I'm gonna sing. I'm gonna send you a picture during the break of why you need to do it. Okay, during the break, I'm gonna send you a picture. Let's talk about the Dollar Cowboys and

the hits just keep on coming. Because quarterback Andy Dalton has been placed on the COVID nineteen list, so he will not be the quarterback when the Dallas Cowboys face the Pittsburgh Steelers. Andy Dalton didn't play on NBC Sunday and Night Football because he was recovering from a concussion from the cheap shot he got from Washington, So now

he will not play against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And one one bright thing out of this is the Cowboys have a buy after the Steelers, so it gets Andy Moore time. Fellas your thoughts on Andy Dalton not playing this week

because he's on the COVID nineteen list. Church, oh man, this is eating into my my prediction of the NFC east Man, I'm starting to I'm starting to question my status as no Shodamus here man, because I didn't picture going into this, this last, this last little race, this last ditch effort to get into the playoffs without you know, without Dalton, without you know, Dad, I mean we're going in there with with Benda Nucci and Cooper Rush. Now,

you know, I get it. It It was you know, it was the Nucci's first start out there, and you know, you got some butterflies going on, and he didn't have OTAs, he didn't have preseason games. But I mean, just just the eye test alone, just looking at it, it just didn't look good out there. I just don't see how this offense has could contend or could compete out there with him behind the helm. So it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough going forward. I'm still I'm still

on the bandwagon. I'm still ride with us, but it's getting harder and harder. Man, It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be real tough. Yeah. I was about to say, you know I'm coming for you Church, because listen, didn't you already you already picked Philly to beat us last week. I know you didn't pick Pittsburgh to lose, so you should so you should still so you should still be on track for us winning the NFC each no matter what happened when Andy Balton this week. So so you

gotta stick with your kool a pet because this is irrelevant. Listen, we all saw the same thing, and I think I think it's pretty clear, uh, you know what's going on, and you know inside the organization because Jerry Jones came on today and said that he saw the same thing that we saw. You know, it was too early. You know, we didn't do ourselves any favors about putting the Nuccie out there under those circumstances, and you know, it was a little bit too much for him. Same thing that

that that somebody on this show said, what happened? Happened? You know, those other two guys out there on the players nouns, they were excited to see the Nucci and I think a lot of people were until until he stepped foot on the field and you saw those that he saw those bright lights. He saw those bright lights. And it was Sunday night. Man, give a break, man,

it was Sunday night. I was excited. I was excited, drive, I was excited, and then the excitement fizzle and look, he performed and the Cowboys performed just the way I thought. I thought they'd only scored ten points. They scored nine points here, So this was what I thought they would get out of it, So don't don't go sitting around here, you know, patting yourself too much on the back here, Danny, like how you have And look, I could be excited

about seeing the guy but being realistic at the same time. Okay, it was realistic now No no, no, no, absolutely not. Nope. Excited excited, excited, excited and we'll see what he's gonna do when he get out there. That's two different things. What you expected from the Nucci was not double reverses and screen passes for the entire first drive. And that's why we can't put this all on the Nucci though, man, I mean, look, some of that play calling out there

was was was god awful out there. I mean, like like I mentioned yesterday's episode, we see we were pounding the ball on him. Zeke finally got out of that funk a little bit, and we just haded to run a double reverse that that's basically just warped all the momentum we had. So as much as bad as the Nucci played out there, he didn't get any help from any of his supporting cast or his coaches on that on that whole No, let me go ahead and answer the question, what do I think about the Nucci being

the starter for this week. This is absolutely horrible. What are we doing to this guy? How about that? Was it like Nathan Nathan Peterman out there in Buffalo that they kept going out there messing up his career? I w church, Yeah, what's going on? Hold on and pump the brakes. I want to go back to something yesterday where you two shot me down. Didn't you see the reports the Cowboys are discussing Cooper Rush starting this week. I spoke about yesterday. Okay, Rush, come on Russia, you're

talking about this gonna be rushing. No, you called COVID you knew it. No, you're not listening. I said yesterday, if Dalton can't go, okay, I mentioned that, can't go back and check the take. If Dalton can't go, if he wasn't out of concussion protocol, just if he couldn't go, I had brought up Cooper Rush. No. I didn't say it was gonna be COVID related, but I mentioned the fact that Dalton it wasn't it given that he was gonna play that something else we didn't know what, And

I brought up playing Cooper Rush. I brought up Cooper Rusk and you all shot me down, and the organization is sitting here thinking about it. Okay, that's all. I'm gonna be honest. I'm look, I'm gonna be honest on this. I think Cooper Rush gives us a better chance out there. Yeah, I'm want you want that, I'm gonna be I just think he gives us a better opportunity than Nucci, especially with the player caller we got going on. I just can't see it happening Church right right, what we'll say this,

be honest with yourself. No matter who's out there, we don't have a chance. All right. This is the defense that we're going out there and playing. We got nigga fish passion, we got why listen, it's it's going to be a tough task no matter who's playing quarterback. It would have been a tough task for Dak out there playing quarterback, so let alone with with Cooper Rush or out there. But look, I mean they could they can. You know, it could always happen to where Pittsburgh can

play down to the opponent's level. I mean, we saw Philadelphia give this team a run out there, and you know, minus you know, de Nucci out there they we could have had a shot against Philadelphia. So a look, I understand, pitt you know they might come in here, They're probably gonna wreck shot. But I mean, you just never know. You never know what can happen. Oh, I know, I know that I'm reaching. I'm reaching right now. Man. You are you are? You are? You get falling off a

cliff reach? You are knee deep in that blue kool Aid narcotic. Man, you got that narcotic down. Man, I'm almost out of there. I'm almost out of here. It's just I'm trying to hold on, hold on, man, I'm trying to hold out over this. It's it's looking bad right now. This is the second second week in a roll without Dalton. We got my boy de Nucci in there. No Church, it don't matter, Bro, you did not pick us to beat Pittsburgh with Andy Dalton anyway. So it's no,

we have a better chance. But we have a better chance with Dalt back there. That my boys, the Nucci and who knows, maybe this defense gives another father around you know what they did last week. Who knows. But I mean with the new Chi in there, I mean, it's all kind of a mute point right now. It's all kind of don't don't forget Dalton was the guy who was out there against Washington, all right, don't don't

forget that. So you talk better chance here, better chance that it wasn't like the Nucci started the whole and played the whole game against Washington. We went out there and got blew out and kicked the field goal, or you know, for our trip and our infants to go to DC. So let's letten, let'ten not do that. I'm grasping for springs, man, I'm grasping for strings with Andy the lifeline. Okay, with Anti Dalton out here, we need to make We need to just make our early call

right here on the players line. You have already you have three choices. Should it be Ben to Nucci, Garrett Gilbert or Cooper Rush? Who would be York starting quarterback for the Cowboys on Sunday, Danny McCrae, uh man, you know, I really can't even remember seeing Cooper Rush play. I would stick with the Nucci and have Cooper Russia as a backup and figure out a way to just survive throughout this game. It's gonna be tough either way for whoever's out there. But you're already trying to see what

the Nucci has. So I don't think it makes much sense to give him that one game and uh, you know and snatch him out of there, you know, let him run through and let him see, let him see how it goes playing against these the defense, see if he could pick something up, and so you know what you have at the end of the season, like we talked about earlier. Look and for me, man, I, you know, I'm kind of bassed on this one because I want

to see him pull it out against all odds. But you know, it's kind of hard to see that happening. But for me, I gotta think Cooper Russia gives us the best opportunity to win. I know, I hate the pile on the guy d Nucci, but I mean, he just looked kind of scared out there, you know, last week, and and I just don't see that happening any different against this Pittsburgh defensive line. It's Pittsburgh defense in general that just heats up the quarterback no matter who's out there.

And with the offensive line we got, you know, I just you know, it's like the lesser of two Eaves. I gotta go with Cooper Rush on this one. All right, let me give you the official statistics for Cooper Rush as a passer in the NFL. He's played in five games. He uh is thrown three passes completed one for two yards. Ben Ja Nucci has thrown three Rush so I just want to make sure that. But at least Cooper Rush

had preseason games. Man, this is like, this is like, you know, the Nuccie, you know, and then you're going, I just looked so scared to me out there. Let me let me tell you another reason why I think, uh,

the Nucci has got to start. We might get into it later, but if you listen to Jerry Jones talk about playing young players and what the definition of taking and how they wouldn't but they might, you know, try to see when some guys have and all this other stuff, it just makes sense that he would he would start the Nucci and have Cooper Russ as a backup, so, you know, just just in case, because the likelihood of him making it through the game is very low, so

you need to have a serviceable backup. What about what about this you start Danucci with almost like in baseball, Danucci gets to start, but it's a short leash, and you got Cooper Rush in the bullpen because this could get out of hand. We've already established the fact that we believe the Steelers are, you know this the undefeated Pittsburgh Steelers here with a really good, wicked defense. So you may end up playing both guys here on Sundays. What I'm saying, we could see. Yeah, and I agree

with you on that one. I mean, like you know, Denucci, if you do start him, I would go with Cooper Rush. But if you do start Danucci, I think you give him a short leash because like you said, they could get out of hand real quick, real fast. And then you don't want to just you know, your defense is already kind of building its confidence a little bit with

the game they played last week in Philadelphia. You don't want to go out there and if the Nucci's stinking to join up, you're giving Ben Roethlisberger possession after possession after possession. I mean, I could terra parts your defensive confidence and just say, hey man, why are we even out here? So for me, you know, I gotta give him a short lease, just you know, just in case it gets too ugly out there, not saying Cooper Rush is gonna come in here and make it any better.

But I mean, sure, what can you do? Yeah? Well, so what is a short lease? Though? So? Is it? Is it we give the nut a chance to go out there and execute a real game plan where he's

throwing the ball down the field a little bit? Or is it you know he's throwing the same passes and we still running double reverses because it's not like he went out there and through six interceptions and you know, it's not like they really gave him a chance to So like when when when we say sticking up to joint, do we mean like it's he has to fumble three times?

Or are they just not able to open up the playbook and eventually, you know, we're down by a lot and once you start throwing it down the field and you know, then we have to do something because I think it's like go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying visually, you know, he's you know, he didn't do well, but I mean the game plan really didn't allow for him to just go out there and just cough the ball over, you know, a bunch of

times besides getting sacked force fumble. Yeah, I think you're right on that one. And for me, I think if it's sticking up the joint to me is you know, if he goes out there and like how how Danny Downs was doing it last night, except for the good passes, like he was just you know, under the rest he was just throwing him just making bone head decisions when he's about to get sacked, just throwing the ball, getting picks like that. If he's doing stuff out there like that,

I mean, I think you gotta yank him. But I mean we'll see. Sunday can't come fast enough to answer your question. Fellas I look at it this way, you'll know, you know, you'll see it. That's really it. You know, I can't say what will get a pull, but I think you'll know when you see it that. Okay, Hey, look, let's it's a lot coming at him, and and what you don't want to do is ruining the kid um. And look this is there's a lot of games. We

got their games to go. We had the games to go, So bend Nucci is going to play some more, Okay, I mean at most I think we'll definitely see Ben d Nucci in the season finale to the Giants, and my buddy Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports said, Hey, they need to go get Josh mccow. They need to do it. They should have done it two weeks ago. And I say why, I mean at this point in time. No, let's take a break. I'll tell you why they shouldn't

go get Josh McCaw or any other quarterback out there. Church, you were talking about a quarterback we were texting today. I will tell you why they should not do that. You're in the players Lodge by you by Hotels dot com. It's Bury Church, Danny McCrae, I am NEWI scrugs right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com radio. Hey, they're Cowboys fans with type Cleaners at home pickup and delivery cleaning

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on the season. They're eight games left to play. Barry Church, you said, hey, we gotta go get a quarterback. My buddy, Jonathan Jones with CBS Sports says they need to go get Josh McCatty I've said new for who what fellas two and fourteen is a possibility. As you start to look at this Cowboys team with eight games left, they will not be favored in anyone except possibly the New York Giants, and from what I saw last night against Tampa Bay, they may not be favored against the Giants

to end the season. The met life feet, if you're going to have a bad season and not make the playoffs, will make it as bad as you can. Go ahead and get yourself out I and drafted as possibly can. And you know, it's interesting because if it's your if it's your local NBA team, people get behind that. But what's your local football team? People like, oh, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. Now with the Jets, they're doing that Miami last year they were doing that.

But but seriously, they're not gonna be favored in any game. So they still have Pittsburgh to play. Okay, this team's got to go to Minnesota, they still have to go to Washington. They've got the road game at the Giants had got to play Philadelphia again. You get the San Francisco forty nine ers, who are a banged up bunch. You get them on a Sunday night. You got the Bengals, you got to go to to the Bengals, you got to go to There's not a lot of w's here.

So you've got an offensive line that's banged up, you got young quarterbacks are out here. Man, go ahead and take the take the Yes, listen one w because listen that that Giants game. Listen, you remember we had that at that Giants game that we ended up winning. All Right, we don't have that guy, you know, without that, we might we might get blown out of that one as well,

because we almost lost on the special team's play. So I don't see us being favored in any game this Sea unless a rash of injuries hits the opposite team. And that's not include of the forty nine is because no matter who's hurt on they team, we know that

they can run the football well. As I said, Mike, I said, Mike, and I and then I said to you after watching them again, said I'm not sure that would be the case because I actually see some improvement from them, and you know there their their offense made some plays when they even too, I got that thought they got jobbed by the reps and and what will be interesting to Danny and Barriers when you think about that Giants game, this may be the incentive to not

only do we see Ben d Nucci, but everybody's sitting around here playing as young a player as they can to not win the game without telling everybody we don't want to win the game. I don't know, maybe maybe yeah, maybe it's just I don't know, maybe it's a competitor in me or what. But you know, I just can't see a scenario where these guys get behind, you know, tanking and then just trying to trying to lose games. I mean, you know, talking about losing the locker room.

I mean, he's all we already sitting there in question, you know, or the players behind the coach's back right now. But if we go into the tank and moan and then and the players see that and they sense that, I mean, that's a slippery slope to go down. I don't even know if they'd be back to play with them next year. There's a way to do this, though, Barry. There's a way to do this. I mean, first off, and mcraie, we've already talked about it before, just based

on what you're doing with your personnel. You don't have to quote unquote tank just go play, you know, just go play. You know, the score will take care of itself. Now, Doug Peterson called an awful football game. If anyone is smart, like I believe the Steelers will be this week, there will be so much James Connor and Binny Snell that

this will be a quick game. It'll be a quick meth for the Cowboys because they'll just run the football and Minnesota when they face Minnesota, they'll be a whole bunch of Dalvin Cook, and there'll be a whole bunch of Joe Mixon and Giovanni but Lard against the Bengals, and I mean everyone should be running the football to trying to throw it a whole lot the way Philadelphia did. And if you just run the football against this team,

he gonna have some success. So there's not gonna be anybody Beary think we'll be able to bring in here that's gonna change some stuff. Danny's talking about it so much. This is this is true. I mean, I don't see them bringing one person in here to try to fix all these problems, especially on the defensive side. Of the ball. But I mean, so you're just basically saying if you go out there, who just go play? You just go please throw the people out there that oh Man talk

about disrespect that you just say. She's saying, with the team we have out there, we're already taking Huh. Yes, Church, let Church. Let me reiterate what Jerry said today. He said, Listen, I don't know anything about taking you know, the competitive sphere, you know that type of stuff. I don't see our

guys being able to do that. But as far as you know, talking talking about it in terms of playing our younger guys and seeing what they have, insinuating that they probably won't be able to win no more games if they put those younger guys in anyways, that is a form of taking all. And I think that can happen. And Neui listen, listen, Benny Robinsburger is not Carson Wentz. So it's hopeful. Listen, we are to see James Connor and those guys and Snail come down there and run.

I can see a pretty even balanced game when we see them, and we will see a lot of Juju, a lot of Claypool, and a lot of Washington I think I think that this will be around the board for us unless we unless we can find a way to bust up something special, this would be around the board, balanced game for the offense of the Pittsburgh Steels. So y'all basically giving us no shot right here, y'all just get you know shot. It's a rat from the jump. Yeah,

it's a rat from the jump. Absolutely, Barry, did you not watch last week's game before I did? I did, okay, okay, and it looked bad. Undefeated Baltimore team took out an MVP quarterback and made him look bad. So um yeah, yeah, And Danielle push back on you a little bit here with the Robinsburger. I think this thing could get away so early that what they'll do in that second app it's just, you know, let's run out this clock here.

But I just think anybody who's who is a good coordinator in this league is gonna look and say they can't they can't stop the run. And you know, you may set it up where hey, here's Connor, here's Connor. Then you go deep to Claypool. But you're going to go ahead because you definitely are going to test the Cowboys corners, but you're just trying to bang that thing in there and throw when you have to. I think Cleveland everybody should pull out the Cleveland tape. That that,

to me should be everyone's blueprint. And you guys know better on how people come up with game plans and how that all goes. But to me, if I'm playing the Cowboys, I pull out the Cleveland tape and I say to myself, what are the runs that can work? And who can who can I go run at? You know, people are running at don Terry Pop because they knew this is where they could go ahead and get some yards inside. So today that's what you do here. And this is not us trying to be unrealistic about the

Cowboys or people say, oh, you guys are just nagging. No, this is just the truth where they're at. They've lost a lot of good players and it is hard to lead place good players in the NFL. They're trying. You know, you can get out there with Terrence Steel if all you lost was just LEL. Collins, But when you lose Tyrant Smith and you have so many other issues, it's hard to replace these guys. You can't replace Blake Jarwin it's nice a player and effort is Dalton Schultz gives you.

He's not as good as Blake Dak Prescott, as we've all seen now covered up a lot of things. Man, he's not there. Oh yeah, and you out here rookie against the Steelers and another dude and Cooper Rush, who's thrown nowhere than three passes in this link against the Steelers Church Church. I mean, hey, hey, like I said, I'm halfway off to drink, man, I'm halfway out to cool a right now. You know I didn't see I didn't see this happening, Like even a couple of ways ago.

I even told y'all I preface it it like, look, man, if the new chie's in there, y'all gotta give me a bone. Y'all gotta throw me a lifeline something. And it seems like we're going to the second Street week in a row where the new che is gonna be the quarterback. And you know, I'm grasping for strings right now. I'm hoping that, you know, Pittsburgh comes down here and they play down to the level of competition and somehow we get somehow, we pull out a victory, somehow, someway

maybe Zeke gets out this funk. I don't know, man, but I'm grasping for strings right now. It's it's tough. It's tough right now. It's tough being in the cool right now. You listen, you speak, knew you were listening players that we just can't replace. Goodness. Hey, we can't replace Amark Cooper either. Can somebody get him involved in the game. Like I said, I think these are the only ways that we have an opportunity to be competitive. By getting the ball in your playmaker's hands. They tried

it with Zeke running the wildcat. You have to try to get the ball into Mark Cooper's in Kellen Moore, please find a way to get him involved in the game. We've seen what he can do when he gets the ball in his hand, and that's the only chance that we have. The gallup is cool. He's not one of those guys when you throw the ball to it and he runs seventy eighty yards. Ceedee Lamb could possibly do that, but we know it's a proven fact that Amari Cooper

can do that. Get him the ball. Please, mmm. I don't know if just Amari Cooper is gonna be enough, man. I I don't know. I just haven't seen have you seen that from him so far this year that he can be that guy again? I mean, I haven't seen it since the first trade. To be honest with you, it was a good pie. It's solid. I think. I think all of these things that without Dak, I think all of these things are they're tougher to do. I mean, that's why his price tag is going up. What you're saying,

Danny is correct, but it gets a lot tougher. And then also, I you have me thinking more and more, what's their commitment to trying to force feed nineteen? No, Dad, in Arizona, they're getting de hoot the football and and and that's you know, I don't know, man. These are good questions, Listen. They gets twenty one in nineteen. These are good questions about what they're trying to do to

force feed these guys football. DeVante Adams is getting the ball, like you said, Hopkins is getting All these stars are

getting the ball. And like what we see Gallup getting those those catches, Those are what I expect to see of Mark Cooper getting, not Michael Gallup, all respect to him, he is a deep ball threat and He's like, that's what I see him doing when you have the opportunity to get the ball in your playmakers hands like other teams do, like DeVante Adams will get five passes a game two yards beyond the line of scrimage, just so you can get the ball in his hands and see

what he can do and make somebody missing, you know, im possibly get a touchdown. Why can't we do that with a Mark Cooper. I think he is still able to do that when when we trade it for him, you see him making those plays. Albeit it wasn't five yard hitches, but it was some quick slants. There was some digs and he was taking those things seventy eighty yards to the house. So I don't understand why we're

giving those to Gallup versus giving those to Coop. And oh yeah, he is making hond of me and Dass to do that, and you're not letting him do it. All right, The trade deadline is upon us sweet five four three two one. The trade deadline has passed. The Cowboys made a trade. Let's discuss that in church. I'm gonna give you some hope. I'm gonna give you a franchise that had to take a hit and how they handled the hitting the way. I think the Cowboys should

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right now that they gave us. It's not the Salute Service gear, but I always enjoy those, man, those that's good stuff. So I got to get ahold of some of that salute to Salute to Service. Here, I knew he Scruggs, one time Cowboys reporter, joyed by Danny McCray and Barry Church, two former Dallas Cowboys safeties. All right, the trade deadline has passed. The Cowboys didn't make a trade. They made a trade on Monday. They got defensive tackle Eli Uncouth from Houston for a twenty twenty two seventh

round draft pick. He's been in the NFL since twenty seventeen. He's a six foot three, three hundred and twenty five pound nose tackle. He's played in Cleveland, Jacksonville, India, Indianapolis, and Houston. He can practice starting on Thursday. So he played Jacksonville Church. What do you know about this guy? Yeah, I mean he's he's a he's a good dude man. You know, off the field, he's you know, he's just

a good overall good dude. But when we talk about on the football field, I just don't see where he can help us out. I mean unless he got you know, leaps and bounds better from when I was with him in Jacksonville. I just see him as another guy out there. You know, he might be able to I'm sure he'll be able to hustle and give us a better look then then Poe did. But overall, I mean when I was in jail, was there with him for two years, and he just didn't really stick out at all. He

didn't really do anything. That's just like, man, we got to keep this guy so for me, and he was often injured as well, so for me. You know, I don't see see the see the see the reason we dragged or traded for this guy. But you know, maybe he'll go out there and peel for me wrong. Maybe Mike Nolan can get the most out of him. You know that maybe when when they could get out in Jacksonville. You never know, man, he never knows. He never knows,

never know. He couldn't come out handball out. No, No, Nolan is the master of getting the most out of his players. Goodness, good, So, Church, here's where where I want you to actually entertain that thought of maybe a two and fourteen, three and thirteen season. Okay, we saw excellence out of the Golden State Warriors and then they got hit with the injury buck big time. So last year, what did they do? They just spit the year. All right, you know it's a problem. We're just gonna have to

take this lump. Okay, this is just gonna be our year to take this l and they played a lot of young guys. They're gonna have a high draft pick, and they're gonna be back in business. And I think that if you're the Cowboys, I believe that that that's what you have to do. Now, Okay, you got eight games against some real tough opponents. Here, play your young kids. Get yourself a high draft pick, Barrett, here's the beauty

of the highest draft pick you can get. It now, gives you options let's just say, for instance, they got the number two pick, the Jets go ahead, lock up number one to take Trevor Laud. If you had the number two pick, there's Justin Fields, quarterback from Ohio State. You have serious options. You got some options. You could trade that pick. You could go to Dak's h and early and say, hey, man, look we need to get

a deal done. And if you don't want to get a deal done right now, then we could take Justin Fields. I mean there's a lot, you know, you could trade down for multiple picks. But having a high draft pick here gives you options. Man seven to nine, trying to get for what? Hellok, I get it, I get it. You can you know you can get you know, high draft choice. You can trade that off and get multiple pigs.

And I know you knew. He see there's nothing there, you see, there's nothing more that this team can go by. But unlike the Golden State Warriors who were in the Western Conference, who had exactly zero chance of doing anything in that conference, the Cowboys are still just a game and a half. Look, I know it seems bleak. I know it seems bleak. And and look I know him against the against the wall right here. But there's still

a shot, man, there's still an opportunity. I don't see them going forward and trying to tank and all that other good stuff. Like I said, Golden State had I mean, they had the Lakers ahead of them, they had Houston, they had any of the litany of teams that were already mathematically in there. Golden State had nothing to fight for. Here, we're a game and a half back. There's still eight games left. There's still a shot. Man, Tell you're mathematically out,

there's still a shot. I just don't see these guys take at all. Listen. I'm also I'm also listen, just to touch on that's what's the point of making the playoffs? Like you no no for us this year? Like, listen, if you sipp intokool aid, then you really believe that if we do make the playoffs at four and twelve, that whoever comes here we will be able to beat them and then move on and move on and move on.

If you sip into kol a, right, if you sipp intokool ai, but realistically making the playoffs versus being able to get those top picks, the weight of that, to me, it makes more sense to play the young guys and not necessarily taint, but just you know, let whatever's happened happening now, go ahead and finish that out. And you would pick like you said in trade back, and and and so you wouldn't want to me, you wouldn't want to make if you let's just say they made it.

You wouldn't rather have a shot in my playoffs, not at the detriment of the future of my team, which is which is where we all man, So you tell four and twelve is not Listen, I'm not talking about as a player, bro, I'm talking about as as as an owner and as an organization risk it my like what we have from for our future, which is being able to you know, negotiate with that top draft pick, possibly get more picks and more players so to help us out on defense and offense, versus saying, all right,

forget those picks, We'll go four and twelve get stumped out in the beginning of the playoffs and then and now we lost all that. I think when when you try to when you weigh that out, it makes more sense to do what new He's saying and let the season play out as it is. You don't have to do much to get the next pick. I mean, to get get a top pick, because it's not like we're really being that competitive and winning that many games anyways. So let the season playout, Let the guys play hard,

you know, let the news you get out there. You know, we get our top pick and then make the most out of it in the draft. Look, I can see, Look, our playoffs chances are slim to none. I give you that one were if we four and twelve, there's no way four and twelve's going to make it to the plays. I mean, I phil he'll probably do it by that time. But I guarantee you there's no way Jerry would not go for a chance, a chance at a Lombardi. Then go ahead and stock up for the for future picks.

I mean, look, we haven't won a super Bowl like twenty some years. I guarantee you he would rather want a shot. Then let's stock up and wait for the future. I mean, I just don't see that happening. I mean, but like our playoffs chances or swim to none anyway, so it ain't it's not looking good anyway. So we'll see super bowls, a playoff, I know, I'm just saying, there's not as super Bowl we were talking about. We were talking about giving a chance to get into the playoffs.

What we were talking about. But like I said, like I preface it, we barely have a chance to get there. But if we did, I'm sure he'd rather take that opportunity in the stock up. And you said super Bowl, it's got a guy on the team, a quarterback on the team. Got a quarterback on the team, because what a playoff game. And you jumped up into Lombardi talk.

I see that you put the words and my mom, all I said was all I said, if we had a chance to get to the playoffs, if we had a chance to get to the playoffs, I think he would rather take that than stock up. That's all I said. Put that, you know, what you're saying was look, Church, Church. What you said was Jerry Jones somehow believes that if we make it to the playoffs, there's a chance for us to make it to the super Bowl with this team that we have right now, which makes absolutely no sense.

If we got to the playos that I told me, they have a chancet. I know we don't have it. You don't have a big We don't have a great opportunity to make to the playoffs. I understand that, but we're saying hypothetically, if we ended up getting there, we wouldn't have a chance to get to the super Bowl. Is no chance? Please list the teams that you think that would make the playoffs, that you think that we could beat if we got in there. I'm just saying

we can make a run. I mean, look, look what that look with teams against something that had no chance against who against who? I'm saying, list one that you think that like it would be. It would be the most likely matchup for you. If you said, listen to the first round playoff game, who are we play in the first round? I means that we'd have out there. I mean, if we got to that point, we were still have a chance. That's all I'm saying. But I do I think, no, I don't think we're gonna it.

Hypothetically we'd have a chance. So so barry for me, And this is this is you know, looking, we're gonna play the young play the young guys. Okay, they play the young guys. They do what they can. You're talking about. Let's just say you end up with a top five pick. Imagine having a top five pick in every single round in a year where the salary cap is going to be dramatically reduced and you're going to be able to

find some great bargains. If they want to sign Dak Prescott to a long term deal, you're going to need some more financial flexibility. And how do you how do you retool a team? How do you do that with a lower, lower payroll? You do it with draft picks, and by having a top five pick in every round, you've got the ability to trade down and if you want to. So when I think about the future of

the Cowboys, it's not anyone's fault. Okay, nobody was not trying to win this year, but to lose all that you've lost, I'm not sitting around here trying to Hey, let's go try to win the East and get smoked in the first round. Like Danny said, the East. If it's Philadelphia, they're getting smoked in the first round. Whoever leaves this thing is getting smoked in the front. This is basically equivalent of when you go to the NCAA

tournament and you want to swack. You're going down. Everybody know you ain't gonna win that man going a tournament. But we're from the Swack. We're from you know, we're from the Trump from the sun Belt. You're going home real quick, man, going home real quick. So why not try by just playing your young guys, get as good draft pick as you can and been buried. I'm telling you right now, and Danny, I'll say it to you as well. I'm very concerned about a possible contract negotiation

with Todd France again Dak's agent. Okay, it didn't go well, and if it's as contentious as I've heard behind the scenes, who's to say this thing gets done? Because they're talking about Dak not being ready for offseason activities until late April early May. If I'm Jerry, I want to have a deal done before I go into the draft so I know what to do with my draft pick. So a higher draft pick in an ability to possibly take adjustin fields, Mike help them get a deal done with

Dak Prescott if that's what they want to do. And maybe because Dak is hurt and he's lost some leverage, he wants to get a deal done. But I'm just telling you right now, I want to have as many options as I can to make a better roster in twenty twenty one. And I believe at this point in time, of eight games left to go against the competition they're gonna face, might as well just go ahead, man and get him to finish with the bad record. As you possibly can't say, we don't need to We don't need

to change anything else. We just need to throw them boys that they got out there, and we'll be taking you know, as it is, So it might as well just Church the team we got out there, right, Church, Church, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna leave you with this Church to playoff teams for the NFC New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Arizona, Green Bay, Chicago. It is probably your best bet if they come here that you might have a chance, But other than that, you get stumped in the first round.

So listen, I mean, it doesn't even make make a sister risk all that, just just so you can go out there and get beat by one of those teams at home in your own stadium. Better leave it just a nasty taste in your mouth, and now your fans looking at you like we could have had a hot draft pick. But instead you wanted us to come and watch this at home. Doesn't make money. So let's just let's just give it up. I mean, just go ahead, tell the plans. It's not it's not. It's not giving

it up. Church. You are the only one who has the optimism to think that we still gonna win the easting and can make all this stuff happen. I'm just saying, let the season play out as it is. Still, keep calling the same plays, put the same players out there. Let let let's Zeke run out there, Let Coop run out there, let all the players run out there, because the season has been playing out as it is already. Bro, we're two and six. It's not like we've been winning.

So it's not like you to do anything special to get a top draft pick. Church. I mean, y'all said, just throw them out there. Man, yeah, man, season, Man, are you a fan of Luka Don He's all right, he's all right, he's all right. Let me tell you how you got the Mavericks got him by executing this plan we're talking about. Play about these young guys and

go ahead, let's go and get on in there. But what young guys are you talking about playing like what like you're saying like, ye young, Yeah, that's not what young guys. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm I'm saying, let the season go on as it is. You might put the young guy in like a young d tackle somewhere. Let it go on as it is, because we're not I don't think we're going to win any games anyways. That's what I'm saying. Not Tank, Yes,

that's that's it. But that's it. By playing these young like a tyrant steal, that's what you're doing. You're playing guys. You're you're keeping the digs out here in the starting role. You're not sitting around here and saying, all right, Leo, we want Cheeto and George Lewis to have more snaps and didn't. Now that's what I'm saying, play these young guys.

See what you've got. And by playing these young guys and the way you're at right now and you can't stop anybody on the run, it's gonna be just a problem. That it is. So that that that's what I'm saying. You don't have to quote unquote Tank and but that's what the mask said. They played a bunch of their young guys, Like, we're playing younger guys here, and just by the fact that you're putting it out there, they're learning,

you're seeing what they have. At the same time, the losses are coming with it, so it's kind of like this whole thing. You got evaluation going on, you're losing the games, and at the end of the day, you're you're taking these hits for a brighter future. They did it with Jimmy Johnson. It one, it's fifteen. It's a little bit different because they weren't trying to win at the season. They having these Super Bowl aspirations. But now

that you're here, man, just go all the way. Why take a half measure, take a full mature baby, go ahead and let's get ready for twenty twenty one and go ahead, get to some good picks and get up in here and gold, get in gold. Yeah, twenty twenty one. I hope, I hope. I never want to do these team and any type of sporting activity. Tennis, no nothing, We down to nothing, man, Let's let's go. Let's go ahead and pack it up. Man, I gotta we gotta go. Man, Let's let's go ahead and pack it up man, I

hope the team. If you're down two to six, you might want to pack it up and get up out of the up. We gotta make it back, to make it back for this news man. We gotta make it back with Pittsburgh coming to town. With Pittsburgh coming to town too, I mean get own. I mean, I'm trying to help Mike McCarthy because this is a big thing. I'm trying to help Mike Nolan long term, maybe because maybe you get some good players from Mike Nolan here who can actually run this defense that he won, so

that they'll actually fit in the scheme here. All right, gentlemen, this was fun. We still are going to talk about this Cowboys defense and the effort they gave against Philadelphia, and we talked about guys getting off the middle car. But we had some of this breaking news today that Andy Dalton is gonna miss this week's game against the Steamers because he's in COVID nineteen protocol that possibly Cooper Rush could be the starter had have been Dducci. The

Cowboys didting practice on Tuesday. They'll get back to a Wednesday, and then maybe Mike McCarthy, they head coach who've shied some more light on what's going on there. That's Dandy mccraye, Burry Church, former Cowboys safeties I'm Newish scrugs, longtime Cowboys report our man Chris Beam as our producer, help and make it happen. We'll be back tomorrow two thirty Central time for another edition of the Players Latch right here

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