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Player's Lounge: Veteran Help

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Following trades for both CB Stephon Gilmore and WR Brandin Cooks, the guys share their thoughts on their roles and potential impact on the Cowboys roster.

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The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This is the Player's Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny mccraig, heck Ma Harrison and knew he scrugs, plays live. Let's right, Let's right, Barry Church is here. Hecky Ma Harrison is here.

I'm knew, he scrugs. We're talking Dallas Cowboys. Which, yeah, next forty five minutes right here from the Star Cowboy Headquarters. We're wide. Everybody's feeling good today? Howbody are really good today? Now? I came out to slopes man Tows in Mexico. I wasn't man, um, it was very good. Now. I did not get out there scheme kids did? Kids are good? Man? My kids are good. Um. I had to finish my paper for school, but got done, got done. But beautiful, man,

I love, I love just the scene of it. Everything was cool, Everything was cool. And then just sitting here doing a paper band. Oh oh man, you needed a vacation. Vacation has done you good. Energy hopped in here. Brandy Cooks is here. So I see I was one of those people. Was all I did not the conversations about. I don't Chris, I can't say his name because but but a particular receiver that people were wanting. I did not want this particular receiver, even though this particular receiver

had a very good career. I'm looking at no. No. When I saw Cooks, I'm like, Yes, Cooks was the guy that they were trying that the Cowboys talked about getting. Houston apparently wanted the third didn't work out. Cooks was upset. Cooks wanted to be here. Yes, okay, Brandy Cooks wanted to be here. And the Cowboys make the trade for five and six eight million dollars salaries. Some people are like, oh, oh wait, Jerry Stephen went you go, well, we need

you to pay six He used to set fine. So now it's twelve million dollars for a speed guy who's had a thousand yards for forty different clubs. And I said to myself, I know, heck, my Harrison is down with that dude. Well, I want to think about Houston. I want to say they have mastered the art of making a bad deal because they had the better deal last year. How do you fumble that? All right? And then this year plus you have to pay you know, six million on top of that. I think it's I

thought it was a good deal. I thought it was one we should have pursued last season, but obviously that happened. I think he's the kind of player for Dak. The speedy guy, the guy that can create a large zone for Dak to throw into. A guy that's been in the league for a long time, that's just twenty nine years old, and so you think about him in his career and the type of quarterbacks that he's played for.

I think he's gonna fit in here nicely. The great mystery is going to be how does because this is a revamped offense. If if I'm thinking Kelly Moore's offense, then I'm thinking okay, vertical, there is that we don't know how Mike McCarthy is going to use him in a traditional West Coast offense that he's run. But I think Brandon Cooks was definitely the right decision. I think that there's still even more decisions that can be made

in the wide receiver room. I don't know if they're done yet, and I'm talking about via the draft or or free agency. Look, I think it was I think it was an extremely good acquisition to get Cooks because if you look at it, that Trio receivers right now, they have pretty much every box checked out there. You got the mister doo it all, mister do everything in cde Land. He can be that underneath guy. He can be that jet sweep, he can be that guy in

third down clutch situations. You got Michael Gallups where I think he'll get He'll improve from last year. I mean he's coming off that acl You know, it always takes like a year to get back to yourself. So I think he's gonna improve from last year. And he could be a physical, you know, fifty fifty ball type guy, kind of go up there, kind of be that possession guy. And then you got your ticket off the top receiver in Brandon Coles that you just said, that speed, that

burner mentality out there. He can open things up for these other receivers out there, all those underneath guys. So I think it was a great acquisition. And most importantly, man, this this guy's been consistent. If you look at his whole career, six of his nine years eight years in the league, has gone over a thousand yards with multiple quarterbacks. So it's not like he you know, he had a great guy out there the entire time to throw the ball too. He had a thousand yards with Davis Mills.

I mean, so this guy is consistent out there, and he can bring something to that wide receiver room that they haven't had in a long time, kind of be that father figure out there. So I love the acquisition, love it. I love it how he and Davis Mills. I know what that means. That's why I say he gonna fit in nicely here with what he's hell and then and then I take it a step further BC. I look at it like this, what if Brandon Cooks just took the reps that Noah Brown got? Yeah? What switch?

You know? But what I'm saying, like, think about the rep that the Jacksonville game, all the games where when the Chips were down nor Brown was getting those opportunities to come up big ceedee Lamb was not. You get a bona fide We needed this, A playmaker, a guy that has a pedigree, a champion. I mean, you get all of that from from I love the acquisition, but again, I say the same thing. I don't think that they're done the way that they jumped out there and made

this one. I think there are plenty more that's on the horizon. Okay, So let me put this to you and never waiting to get it. You're you're safety in the league. You got Cooks, Lamb Gallop. What are you doing? Man? As a safety? It makes it extremely hard because you know, get the last line of defense out there in the secondary, especially if you're you know, like I'm the league Cooker type guy who patrols the back end. You always gotta have to be on top of that speed receiver. You

can't let anything get over your head. So you're gonna always be aware of where um Bredon Cooks is gonna be at in THEE. So if he's in a slotheart man, let me focus over here. That leaves those other guys, you know, basically one on one out there. I mean, because if you do try to double team them, you're gonna have to double one with a linebacker, and both of those wide receivers Gallop and CD Lamp can run

by a linebackers. So to me, it's gonna be it's gonna put a bind on safeties out there, especially if they use Cooks as a vertical threat out there, because he has this b to be able to burn buy secondaries out there. So it put safeties in a bind. You're gonna have to put maybe even two safeties back deep. And we know what that does for the running game. It opens up the box for a pillar whoever else

is gonna be running the football out there. So it creates a dynamic offensively where you can put defenses in an extreme bind and hopefully they can take advantage of that. And it lists your tight ends eat. Yes, your tight ends eat. And I think for Dak Prescott in his production that he had last season and seasons before, he's gonna allow for the tight end to eat. And we have two very good young tight ends in the system. And just as you just stated, I mean, I feel

the same way. The speed on the outside changes the middle of the field. And if we can play that chess match with defensive coordinators where they don't know who is the read for offer for Dak Prescott. So look, the one thing that I'm still looking at and still have some concerns is obviously in the running game. Um wait no, but I think what he was just saying about how Brandon cooks and his what he's stretching out. It opens it up for the running game, and there's

my concern right there. Can we take advantage of it? So I'm looking right now, just right now for you, for you guys, are you fine with your receiving corps or is there anything else you feel you need at that just the wide receiver position. I still man look last year. I go back to what Ceede Lamb did last year. It took him maybe five or six games to warm up, and I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that Dak wasn't there.

They didn't have much of a preseason to work with one another, and so I think it took them a long time to get started. I'm still wondering where Michael Gallup is and what's going to be Brandon Cook's impact. I just believe that there are other playmakers still out there to be had. I think they're maybe playmakers in the in the draft still to be had. So I'm wondering what they're gonna do. What you know, what they're

gonna do. Because we ended the season saying Dak needs weapons. Yeah, it seems like that's what they're trying to do, is get him weapons. We got rid of some guys, but we definitely brought in someone. And I don't think that they're done. That's why I keep reiterating that, because we know what Dak needs. Yeah, I would love to have just a little bit more depth pieces out there. You know, nothing, you know, spectacular nothing, you know, oh my goodness, grabbing headlines.

But we need death because like you said, you know, one injury away and then we have, you know, semi for Hoko or Jalens Holbert having to come in and we all know, no disrespect to those guys, but we know they're not the player that can, you know, take this offense to the next level. So I would like to have some death pieces in there, just some more options for Dak Prescott to have out there and spread the football around. But again, those young tight ends could

be that fourth option as well. So I would like more death pieces. But like I said, this close acquisition to me, I feel like it's a it's a home run. Okay, So trying to be nice at I say this disrespect, but no disrespect, but disrespect. It was a rough year for Jalen Tilburt last year and they tell you that the biggest growth a player has is from year one year two. Terrence Steele a very good good you know, well we saw him. You know they played a lot

as a rookie, was rough. Second year man, he got the program offseason, lifted weights, took it serious. Band. You know, we see what he is now a starting football player. What's our hope for Jalen Tilbert Now that you have a pro bowler and Cedee Lamb a veteran and Brandon Cook who's been a Pro bowler and played in two Super Bowls? Um, how can they grow this young man up? To me? You know, he needs to focus more on other aspects of the game because if you look at it, well,

how did know a brown stick around so long? He was on special teams making an impact out there. You're talking about a guy who's a top one hundred pig and he wasn't suiting up like you're not. You can't make the ball club on special teams. I mean that's extremely difficult. And you're already talking about I can contribute to this wide receiver room. No, we need you to

contribute to this team overall. And for him to be able to do that, I think he needs to step up and can become better as a special teams player to show his value to this team and then start to work into the offense. But if you're not even playing special teams as you know, as a third round pick coming in, you're not even suiting up, and that's not a good sign for me. That's not good sign at all. I appreciate the Cowboys saying, look, this isn't

working out. Let's make something else shape, let's not keep, Let's not stay enamored with a player that the production isn't there. And I mean, come on, Barry, you say it perfectly about contributing in other areas. Obviously, he's never played any special teams. Did he do that at Southern Alabama?

Did he do that? And you know, when it as far as his development as a as a football player, I think he's always been on the latter end of a guy that maybe we placed two high of an expectation on him coming in out of the you know, out of the draft. Um, it's unfortunate, but he's gonna have to battle uh this camp because I don't know if they you know, how do you keep all these guys, and especially if you have a guy that's not suiting up and a guy that can't contribute on special team.

So this is a man, This is a great You gotta see if we get Will McClay one day. I hate him up. This is Will mc clay question. I mean, we talk about the whole development of it. Gain like, okay, now that you and the staff if saw what happened and you know and they've admitted, okay, we probably put too much on him or expected more. How do you get the player to where he needs to be Because

Jerry Rice's first year was not good. The national Football not comparing him or trying to say he's going to be Jerry Rice, Troy Palla Malo's first year with the Pittsburgh Steelers, it was it was some growing pains. So how do they view him and how do you get a young guy to realize this is different. I don't know if Jalen Tilbert bought his own hype. I don't know if he thought it would be as easy as it was in South Alabama. Clearly there's a jump him.

A man wasn't ready. But I would say this, I don't want to give up on a guy after just one year, they say about three years, you will know, maybe it's two now today's accelerated in NFL. But then I just say, but you know, I'm kind of getting on the hopium training here. Come on, I got you. What if the player starts to realize what it takes to play at this level and reaches what they want. Now you're talking about potentially four receivers who could help

you in a seventeen game schedule. Guys are gonna get hurt. You're going to need help in depth, which is kind of where I was getting to the whole thing. And you need depth. You're going to need more guys. So what are you gonna carry six receivers? If he's gonna be one of the guys is gonna get kept and potentially be on game day? What is where does he need to get to in his development? That's you know for me him, he needs it, he needs it? Can he beat that guy? Kenny? You don't give up on

third round picks around here. They're not giving up on a third round pick. They're going to keep grinding away. But what if you talk old the pick, I mean just playing mean, what if you made it. What if you have a guy that can't get it in the NFL. I mean, whatever it was, it had to be something mental with him in his development. It just didn't pan out. Oh and we saw so many games where he didn't

dress out. That's wishful thinking. I mean, this is all of this heck is kind of dissecting of here's what you had out of the player year one, where do

you go? I remember Josh Ball. They talked about him and just saying, hey, look, you know what we looked at him his first year because he had the shoulder injury, was kind of a red shirt, and so this year kind of all right, you know some ways his rookie year, and he's still learning because they remember that remember the game when a man was out here almost lost it at the right tackle. They went right, Dad going to Jason PM. I don't know what he whispered, Jesse Peoples

have gotten the game. They ended up winning the game. But McCarthy's very good about talking about how, you know there is a development for guy. We look so so many times, we just want to look at the platfoom, that guy's ready to go. Everybody ain't like that. Everybody everybody ain't like that. Guys don't turn into Terence Williams's overnight. I mean, we think talk about development guys, more guys developing into the receivers. Uh that that you need him to.

It's man, it's you don't have a crystal ball on this thing, and we need the death piece that you were talking about. And I'm thinking about guys like t Y Hilton that we bought in late in the season that may be your option. I'm saying, like, I really appreciate the front office not saying, look, we're gonna shoot this guy up and we just gotta we're gonna force it. We just gotta be right on this guy. He didn't

have it at year one and does it. This is the critical juncture when they talk about the biggest growth you have to year one, a year two. After year one, Terrence Steele was not a guy many of us were high on. No. And now we look at Terrence Steele and I mean, first off, when I went to camp, he looked different. Okay, that second year when saw him ot in calf, he looked different. He put in the work and McCarthy spoke glowingly over and over about what

he did to get himself better. Man, some people get Tyler Smith got it and we didn't think so coming out of Tulsa, but he pleasant surprise, Yeah he got it. So coaching is teaching, and lord knows, I'll never be a teacher, guys, but good teachers can figure out how does the student learn, what needs to do? What do they need to do to grow the student up? And how do you get They talk about what Tony Romo got here. You were here with Tony. You came in with Tony Man Tony was they had to change his

throwing motion, Crispan was it was it, David Lee. They had worked with Tony under throwing motion year, Chris Bean, but you you had They had to work with Tony for a couple of years before he was ready to go. Yeah, that's true. I mean, to me, it's just a telltale sign that when your special teams coach kind of wants

nothing to do with you on his teams. I mean, usually those guys are solivating over to you know, let me get out, take anybody, let me get this guy, let me get when they're not willing to put you on the special teams that make you dress for the games to tell time man and did he did he eat the humble pie needed to eating the time? So let me ask you this, what type of production are we now expecting from our fourth receiver with with Brandon Cooks and and Gallup and ceedee lamb. What are the

numbers that we're expecting? I mean, round numbers, doesn't matter. I would love it to be, you know, not as as good as Noah Brown was receiving the ball, but there's as an impact you know, maybe a catcher to a game special teams balling on every single one of them. That's what I think as a fourth wide receiver, at least that's when when we were when I was playing, it was, you know, that fourth wide receiver had to

be a core special teams guy. And he would come in like Sam Hurd, he would come in and do another great name. He would come in and do his thing on our offense. You know, maybe one two catches here and there, but his main thing with special teams and contributing to the team and whichever way he could get. Will McClay yea, so we can help. Come on, let's get our first break here in on the players Lunch brought to you by Tostitos so a trade for Brandon

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he felt about some of these acquisitions. So Brandon Cooks, we spoke about him in the first second. All of us or down, gave it a thumbs up with that pixel. We're all down with that. So yes, good trade. Before they got Cooks, they made the trade for Stepan Gilmore, the cornerback from Indianapolis, former Super Bowl winner with the Patriots, former NFL Defensive Player of the Year. And it's making less than ten million dollars. Guys, unbelievable, like lesson ten?

It was it like nine. So anyway, bottom line is you put it next to Digs, Gilmore, Dicks, no Fitz, Anthony Brown, no Fitz Anthony nice job when he was here, Ye okay, nice job. This, in my opinion, is an upgrade. With all the doubt, I believe it's an upgrade. And as much as I like that Cook's acquisition, I'm in love with this one. I love this one because you look at Stefan Gilmour and not only is a great player, he's a prose pro. I mean, you never hear anything

about Gammer. He goes out there, does his job, leaves. I mean, he's a prose pro out there, and he still can play at a high level. I'm not saying he's a top three corner in the National Football League, but I give him top ten. He's top ten out there. He can play man, he can play zone. His football

IQ is off the charts. And not only will he bring that play to the field for the Dallas Cowboys, where you're gonna have two book and corners out there that you can just say, hey, go lock up and we can go sending the troops after this quarterback, but I think he can also teach Digs a thing or two about the game, the little nuances of it, when the guests when to be on top of routes, when to be able to go in there and not take

too many gambles. He can teach Digs the ropes and the little nuances of the cornerback position, similar to how te why did you know Ceedee Lamb last year? So I think this is an unbelievable acquisition. And like you said, they got him, you know eight whatever, eight nine million, under ten million dollars, which is an unbelievable thing for a guy that can still play at a high level. And you put him in dan Quinn's defense with that pass rush, quarterbacks are gonna have to throw the ball

out quick and man, it's man. I love. I love the acquisition. Dog. I have nothing to add to what you just said because she said what needed to be sad VC Okay, I told you last week, man, I was so ticked off about the fact that we didn't sign Jalen Ramsey, that we didn't make that move. I thought that was something easy for us to do. We doubled down, We come right back, and what do we do. We bring out Steph fund Gilmore and I think we even up to Annie when it comes down to quarterbacks

in this league. One thing that I love about him is, like you said, he played in a system where he had to be multiple, So you know, dan Quinn is gonna challenge him also to be multiple this or what he does is he brings validd to a defense that's already pretty damn good. Yeah all right, So I think none of these guys are worried about, you know, the

credibility that they get from everyone else. But they're right there on the peak and dan Quinn with dan Quinn's defense and strategy to being one of the top defenses. I think Stephan Gilmore is that guy that adds that piece because where do you go now? Exactly where do you go? Now? What do you do that same thing that we were talking about, what do you do against Brandon Brandon Cooks? What do how do teams try to exploit this defense? The only place you can go sometimes

now is in the slot. We got some pretty good slot guys, especially if Jay Luke can come back healthy. I mean, look, we just have options. I love it. I absolutely love this, but I still think, as Danny mccraige mentioned before about our defensive line, we still have to be really good in this draft, and we still got to be thinking forward who's out there in free agency that we can bring in to shore up a

defensive line that's already pretty good. Gilmore and Cooks played together on a Patriots Super Bowl team, and Cooks was traded to Los Angeles the next year, ended up playing the Patriots again, lost two Super Bowls in consecutive years. Gilmore ended up winning the Super Bowl with the Patriots when they when they played the Rams. By the way, Cooks had a good game for the Rams and that Super Bowl and score a lot of points, but he had a good game. I say this to go back

into a little bit of what you said before. You need some guys in that room who've played in that game, who know what it takes to get there. Gilmore's got a ring, and I do believe it's a whole different deal when you're talking to somebody like a Dig's, Hey, you want to be defensive Player of the Year. I want to win a Super Bowl. These are the things you need to do. Brandon Cooks to sit up here to talk to Lamb and maybe he's a guy who ends up with Tolbert. Hey man, you want to get here.

This is what it takes. Coaches can coach all day long, Barry, you've played. It's just a little bit something different when you see it a peer, Oh, who's reached the levels you'd like to get to. It without a doubt that that peer conversation it's huge. I mean, as a young guy, you know, the guy that kind of looked out for me and taught me the nuances of the game was gerald Sincin Ball and you know he's never been to the Super Bowl or those highs of levels, but he

let me understand how how the NFL game works. You know how tight ends like to release and when they go this way, you know this is where they're gonna pass the football. You know, you got to be smart about it. He always taught me that, you know, you may not be the fastest guy out there, because I wasn't. I was a four or five, four to six guy.

But if you use your IQ and you study taping, you show how these offenses come out in their formations and where they like to go with the football, then you can beat the quarterback to where he wants to go to it. And a guy like since the Ball taught me a lot about the game growing up and was able to, you know, basically prolong with my career because I wasn't the fastest guy out there. So to have a veteran like these two guys have been to

the upper echelons. One of his defensive Player of the Year, the other guy's been to Super Bowls consecutive thousand yards seasons. They have nothing but knowledge, and I hope these young guys who are extremely talented Cdee Lamb did they're extremely talented. I hope they take this coaching not only from the coaches themselves, but from these veteran players that have come from the highest of levels. It can only help their game step up even further. And I don't think people

recognize how young the Dallas Cowboys team is. You know, there's still a young team. And when you have when you bring a guy in like that, when I'm talking Stephan Gilmore, that I mean, that's that's like I said, that's validity. That's a guy that when he talks, you listen because you know he's been there, He's learned from some of the best in football. So you know, to me, I don't think that I've never got the impression that Diggs was one of these guys that needed leadership or

needed someone. It's not like that. But I think I do believe iron sharpens iron, and when you have a jural sense of ball, somebody that takes you under his wing. Let's think about this. You come into the league meeting, you don't know anything. You need to know the nuances of everything that's going on on and off the field. And I'm not saying Trevon Diggs again, he has a big brother. That's already that in showing him the ropes, but his playmaking ability, his resume speaks for itself, and

that to me, I mean dud, that is that's huge. Man. I go back to Maria Cooper. When Marie Cooper got in the room and was the lead dog as a receiver changed a lot. It was different than when Dez Bryant was there. Oh yeah. I am one of those people that believe leadership counts and it's a small detail when somebody else can say to you, came here, young fellow, this is what what needs to happen. Charles Haley was that kind of player when he came over from the

San Francisco forty nine ers. He had two rings. I remember Super Bowl fifty two and the punk gets blocked and the Cowboys are down in the game and Charles Haley, the NFL Mike's picked it up. He was talking with Bush David's like, hey, guys, Butch just trying to help us. He settled things down and we saw what happened the Cowboys and when ended up winning Super Bowl twenty seven, fifty two to seventeen. But it didn't start good for you need guys like that. I'm a big believer in

bringing in dudes who have championship experience. I think it. I think it matters. Been there. Yeah, And once again McCarthy, he can only he can say so much. This is a different vibe. And as a dude in the room, who's with you that you came bullejide, you know, and they just teach you the way to paytriots did a great job with that. Rodney Harrison, that was some of the stuff that he did with some of stuff. We Llie mcginny, hey man, this is how we do it. Here.

They catch young guys coming in with McDonald's. Hey man, we see you got McDonald's this third day in a row, I mean the third day in a row with you what are you doing? So they set the standard, and you know, Belichick is a great coach, but you needed dudes in the room. They could police it. Who could tell guys you're not meeting the standard. This is what we need. So I like these two acquisitions. Let's dive into Dalton Schultz because the free agent market has not

come knocking at his door. Cowboys put the franchise tag on him last year made ten million dollars. The franchise is market today for free agents is not paying ten million dollars to guys. Let's dive into that next with Heck Merrison Burry Church. I'm new he scruts. This place is not tighty by Tostito's on Dallas Cowboys dot com radio. Nobody protects you from mayhem like all State. You hear that,

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there for of course Chris. Somebody from the show needs to go represent When is it? Is it? I would go, but May eleven, I mean it's a small venue. Yeah, I'm busy that day. I got I got some tid I think I got a wedding that day. Yeah. Yeah, So golf tournament or something. Yeah, okay, okay, but good love everybody else rolling out there. Players tryed by those Tito's Barry Church has hair something to be scrubs. So last year Dalton Schultz got the franchise tag as they

tied end uh ten million bucks. I remember going to training camp. Boy. He spoke to us and he was not happy. So I'm gonna talk about this one time. Then later on he shut the media off. I'm gonna talk nobody. M The man was not happy that he didn't get a contract. Talk to somebody in the front office and they said, hey, we offered him. He didn't want it. Um, David and Joko got one of them

little crazy deals from Cleveland. When he saw it when he's something man, he okay, but why are we people should not be coming close to Travis Kelsey money because they ain't Travis Kelce That's just my opinion. And the Cowboys were kind of like, hey, man, we like you, but we don't like you that much. They offered him a multiyear deal. He didn't take it, so played ten million dollars for one year. Now he's a free agent. I've heard nothing, not a thing. Nineteen well, let's hear

from the guy that didn't fumble the bag. Oh sometimes it's Barkers dry up. You know, we talked about, you know, with the running back situation during the break and how you know these deals are in his high as we thought going into free agency, and Shultz to me, and I've said this from the beginning, you know, I think he's a good tight end out there. I just don't see him being as dynamic as a Kelsey, a kittle and a joke who those type of guys that are

garnering that type of money. Because when you look at it, yes, he's an amazing fit with Dak Prescott, he's his security blanket out there. He understands how to get open versus zones and all that great stuff. But when it comes to blocking, when it becomes to being a multiple tool type tight end out there, he's not really that. You know, he struggles in the blocking game. If you split him out one on one versus a dB, I'm not so sure he can beat Matt consistently beat man to man

coverage out there. Yeah he eats and zones, Yeah he eats against linebackers, but I don't see him as being that dynamic of a player to garner a contract in the ten million year a year range. And I don't think the Cowboys seeing him is that, you know as well? So to me, you know, he took a bet on himself, He took a gamble on himself. And you know, we'll see what happens, you know where he's gonna sign. But as of right now, it looks like it it dried

up on him a little bit. Yeah, bet on himself and loss and the and and by the way, you have two rookies coming behind you that just flat out ball and also had you know, special team's impact as well. Um. I don't know what the initial offer was from the Dallas Cowboys, but I would just guess that it's probably

gonna be what he ends up signing for anyway. UM. In the market itself, I think guys like Gasecki from Miami, I think he went to the Pattriots to go to the Patriots, I mean, and comparable as far as tight end talent in the way that you use them. So I just man, I feel bad for Dalton shows because and incentives in the contract gise again not ten million a year, And I think what happens in football is guys say, okay, I'm next up to sign, and they

start using the market value of the top guys. You're not that, so you can't use that, you know, so you don't ever confuse him with the Kittle and Kelsey's of the league. But you know, as far as his importance in this offense, I think Dak tried to you, I mean, get his best out of him. I wish him nothing, but well, I don't know what the future is though for him right because I haven't. The scary part about Dalton shows is I haven't heard his name at all. So first off, that tells you what the

market is. And add this to it, guys, they're talking about this being a deep class for tight ends in the draft, so you're not having to pay that kind of money to get in that type of player. It's so for Schultz, does he come back the way Lake Vanderesh did that two years ago? Were you on one year? You know? Five meal? But I don't even know if he got to pay five That's what I'm saying. I don't even know if you got to pay him five. I mean, I mean three, three and a half or

some the sentence. I mean you're If you're the Cowboys, you're in a good position. Then you know, if he was mad at ten million, you really wanted up in the building, mad making making half that he ain't talking to nobody. Wish he would, Oh we did that, but I ain't talking. I'm okay, okay, all right, he want to talk about the playoff? Loog okay. Fine. Um, but

you've got Jake Ferguson, you got pender Shot. You may be able to go in the draft and say, okay, let us go find someone who's more of a blocking type tight end. I got two pass catchers. Let me go get find that guy who's more of a blocker than we could work with him on his hands. The Cowboys, in my opinion, you guys tell me if you're wrong. This is a position they have mastered in taking in the draft. Yeah, you go back to Jason Winten. Jason

winn was the third round pick solid Martella's Bennett. Second round pick with Martelli's Bennett. Anthony Passano had a nice career. He was a second round pick. Um Dalton Schultz. You drafted him on day three. You drafted uh Ferguson on day three. You got so so they know how to

find this particular player. So when I look at Dalton Schultz and it's nothing personal against him at all, they can find another Dalton Schultz and said I'm not that is not me taking a shot at him, and just in in today's NFL, you're gonna have to sit around here and just say, hey, certain guys, um we can save here. We know we gotta pay Digs. We're gonna have to pay CD Lamb. We're gonna have to pay

Michael Parsons. You're gonna have to at some point in time address your center position, Tyler Beiannis and what you're doing right there. You're gonna have to renegotiate Dak Prescott. So where do you find some savings here? Where do you say we'll go a little bit less here and try to get a player to match him, And tell tell Loona well coach him up right there, tight endspot Man and one of the best in London Welles and

in the way that he's coached these guys up. But I just want to go back to what you were saying, Barry, about how Brandon Cooks changes this offense and how valuable the tight end can be. And also looking at the draft at how talented this tight end draft could be at twenty six. So this is a position for the Cowboys. It's very interesting when you say, will Dalton, I don't think he could come back here for three and a half, Nah, I don't think. I don't think. I don't think he

could come back here. And especially if the Cowboys going to the draft and get a young tight end. And again I go back to Mike McCarthy and his offense. We know what he's going to demand from the tight end position. Is he willing to give that up? With Dalton shows because I think in the way you had to knowing that he wasn't the best blocking tight end

you had in that room. McCarthy talked about it. We want to run the football, we want to become a team that's dominant in the trenches, and at the tight end position, you're gonna need a guy who can capture that edge, that can hold his own against defensive ends out there. And from what we've seen from Dalton Schultz, that's not you know, the priority of his game, that's not the top of his game is blocking. So you know he may not fit into this new McCarthy. You know,

type of offense, so I can see them letting them ride. Okay, So so tell me this. If you're the player in the agent, so the first wave and free agencies come through, you didn't get caught, how long do you wait until you grab something? Yeah, in my opinion, you want to get out there before the draft because once the draft

comes around, teams are gonna be filling up. Positions are gonna be filling up everywhere, and teams are gonna be like, well, you know, we'll come back to you if somebody gets injured, and you don't want to be waiting all offseason and once camp comes around, somebody gets hurt and you get thrown into the fire. You got to pick up that whole new offense. You got it right before the season starts.

So to me, you want to at least be able to get in there before ota starts, so you can get a rapport with the quarterback, you can get a rapport with the team, understand their offense, and before all these spots get taken up by the draft. Man, that's a pickle. Yeah, even what's now, that's a pickle. And and I'm thinking about the respect for Dalton shows in his game. Let's come on, now, he's He's not the guy that just Daltins showts gonna be out of the league.

You know that's not gonna happen. Um. I just think he put himselves in a very unique situation by not taking the original deal that was off offered and having the cap. This is this is one of those examples where people hate the being having the tag placed on you. This is this is the when we say bet on yourself. He was he put that on himself, played under the tag, and now he's without a team and it doesn't look

like other teams are interested in him. I go back to what you were saying about the draft, man, it's this a lot of talented tight end so places like uh, the Chargers, you know that that we think just because what if Kelly Moore has his his idea of a tight end and that may not even be a possibility for him. So look, it's just a unique situation to be in. All right, right before we go, let's let's

go around here and just just get our thoughts. Tyrant Smith contract reworked very favorable, a lot of incentives in there. I think I think it's a good, good decision because if you look at it, he plays, he gets more money as he plays. So if he can play all sixteen, great d Max says, I can't believe they did this. Another thing is like, like you said, man, it's incentive last it's gonna be one of those. It was very favorable for the Cowboys and you bring him back and

it's the Tyler Smith and Tyrant Smith show. So Tara squad left side, all right, Donovan Wilson re signed safety. I was I'm not gonna. I was surprised. I was surprised. If you though, I think he's a thumper, an enforcer, the type of guy that you want on your defense. But I was surprised at that deal. I was very surprised. But if you look at the contract, you break it down, I think it was two years guaranteed, thirteen and a

half guaranteed. So it's solid. You bring that enforcer back and you know you got a solid secondary dimensional guys that played. He also has value for you on special teams. But obviously Dan Quinn loves that guy, love the way he competes. Vanderesh. That's another one I surprised me. I thought he would have a bigger market than he had out there. The Cowboys got him back on another friendly deal. I think it's what five a year, you know, two years eleven overall, So look, I think it's a It's

a great place to have him. You know, he's one of those leaders of the defense, big tall guy in the middle of the field. So yeah, I like it. Quarterback Cooper Rush surprised he got his deal. Surprise that he stayed. I thought he would have more of a market, especially with the way that the quarterbacks were dropping all right, and then of course they signed O our guy, A C. C. J. Goodwin. He's back, so uh And the guy didn't talk about um was Ezekiel Elliott. And to me, I think it's

real simple. We all on the show get it. Yeah, he had a great run when he was here, great run, but it just ended, and I wish him well. But I think they had to do what they had to do. We spoke about on the show. Yeah, when you see guy, I mean I was here when you know, they let you know the Marcus ware walk and then if the guy's like that, he known to walk somewhere else. I mean,

anybody could get Yeah, Terrence snowman. I mean, it happens, man, you know, and I'm sure he'll bounce back and land on his feet somewhere and you know, hopefully continue to have a positive impact on another team. And that's the sucky part about business, right there's a personal decision ends up having to be a business decision. You know how much the front office and the family loves Ezekiel Elliott and and nothing but respect to him and everything that

he's done. All right, that is the players, lous heck Ma, Harrison, Bury Church, I knew, we scrugs. Danny mcreill join us next week for Chris Beam and everybody makes it happen right here. Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio appreciate your talking next Monday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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