Player's Lounge: The Draft Process

safety or other running back buddy. Danny McCray is out. Daniel rejoined us back in May's working on a project right now. But we're taking you now all the way up to the draft. We are less than two weeks away where the Dallas Cowboys have a tenth overall pick Church, how are we doing? Man doing great? Man doing great. It's a little bloomy outside of the day. It's a tad big gloomy kind of looks like Gotham City a little bit with this kind of drizzly rain throughout the

whole day. But hey, Ron, they're on a players lounge, so they wouldn't rather be anywhere else. Let's get a cracking now, all right. I'm got to ask you a question that I asked our producer Chris being here, and is there something about this draft process for the Cowboys you're hearing that bugs you. Chris said it was that, Hey,

people say trade out of ten, what's yours? The thing that bugs me is, and I told you this a long time when we first started doing this podcast, It's that, for some reason, some off the wall reason, no matter how bad we perform on the defensive side of the ball, no matter how bad it goes, there always seems to be that guy on the offensive side and the draft that is just like, oh, this is so intriguing. We can't go past this this guy. If he falls in

our laps, there's no wet to take him. It happened last year with Cde Lamb, and this year coming around, it seems like it's happening with with Kyle Pitts. I mean, like we talked about last last week. I know he's an intriguing prospect. He could be, you know, one of the best all time that his position if he puts

in the work on the field. But like I said last week, we got tons and tons of needs on the defensive side of the ball, and for some reason, all we can talk about in the Cowboys nation is getting this Kyle Pitts or getting this offensive left tackle or something like that, and that that just kind of irks me because I'm like, man, do people still realize we need defenses to win a championship and get far

in the playoffs? We need a champ or we need a defense to that that can match our offensive power, and right now we don't have it. We don't have it. We don't have death pieces on any any line of any line of defense you go along. We need death pieces on the interior line, we need it at the linebacker position, and we for sure needed in the secondaries. So for me, I just don't get all the offensive talk.

But to each his own. Now, obviously, if you listen to our Dallas Cowboys podcast network, and we have so many different opinions on this, and you have some who really do want offense. But for me, as I'm looking at the draft process and looking at things that I'm seeing in the media, more and more, we're not even seeing Kyle Pitts mock to the Cowboys at tent. We're not really seeing Kyle Pitts his fall off at about six. That's about the landing spot that I'm looking for him

right now. So honestly, Barry, while people can dream about a Kyle Pitts, I keep coming to this and I say, if Kyle Pitts is everything that people in the draft process are saying he is, this kid doesn't go to ten. No way he gets to ten. And the teams that are in front of the Cowboys clearly have a Kyle Pitts need where they could plug him in and do just fine. Cincinnati could plug him in there and do just fine. The Miami Dolphins, their head coach, Brian Flores.

Brian Flores was in New England. He was coaching linebackers for a while in New England, so he was there with Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, and he's seen how Bill Belichick has drafted tight ends highly and during his tenure there. So I could see Miami being a landing spot. Detroit. Dan Campbell's a former tight end. I could see that young man landing there. Carolina is ahead of the Dallas Cowboys.

I could see that. So there's spots where I just see Kyle Pitts being able to land before the Cowboys even get there. The Atlanta Falcons at four is a spot if you talk about what's how high could he go? The Atlanta Falcons in Matt Ryan. Some of Matt Ryan's best years were when he had Tony Gonzalez there, So there's that ability. If the Falcons decide that they don't want to go to take a quarterback at four, I

want to stay there. So that's why I just believe when you bring up Kyle Pitts, here's my thing, I'm not gonna get mad anymore about it because I don't see the guy being there, and I hope you're right, Nude, I hope you are right. I think the only one I would disagree with is Cincinnati because we all know they need help on that offensive line. They gotta get somebody to protect Joe Burrow. He took a beating, a severe beating last year, so I think they'll go to

the offensive line route. But all those other teams you name are for sure candidates to go ahead and get Kyle Pitts, And for me, I hope it happens. I hope it happens, and I hope he's off the board before we even get to number ten. Because that intrigue that him just being there. I think it might be a little bit too much pressure for the front office up there in Dallas. They might just go ahead and snag him and say, you know what, hey, we can

we can build on the strength. We can we can make our office the ninety nine rams again, we can go at it like that. So for me, I hope and he's off the board early, so we don't even get into that discussion of hey, we might be hight with Kyle Pitts. I mean we are secondary we got now. I mean, shoot, we might be able to throw Kyle Pitts in there. So for me, I just hope he's off the board. I hope you are right, Knui. But if he's there at ten, man, I can see us

pulling the trigger on him. I can see it happening. All right. Here's here's the dream scenario. Okay, when you talk about the draft, in my mind, the top three picks are going to be quarterbacks. All right, So we got okay, so we've got those three teams taking quarterbacks, meaning Jacksonville, the Jets, forty nine Ers Falcons start at four. I don't think the Falcons take quarterback at four, but they trade to somebody who does so four quarterbacks boom

boo boo boo boo. Five Cincinnati takes Pine Seul the offensive tackle. I'm with you, they need to protect the investment. Joe Burrow. Riley Reef is not the guy one out there left tackle. If I'm Cincinnati and then it's six, the Miami Dolphins take Kyle Pitts, and now you gotta tie in. You got a guy the two a tongue of violoa can throw too, and you can go get another receiver later on. You don't need to take Jamar Chase. So that to me, if if that happens, man, you're

in the clear, you're in the clear. You don't think they would go You don't think they would go the Bonte Smith route, you know, seeing they were old buddies at Alabama and said all types of marks. You don't think they would go that route instead of the Pitts route.

I'm talking about the Dolphins. Yeah, And for me, when I look at the Dolphins, I go back and just wasn't I talk about the head coach and the head coach understanding and seeing what a difference A Gronkowski and a Aaron Hernandez made in some of their championship runs

with New England. So and what do you have the opportunity to do what I should say, What's easier to get another receiver who can help you and at that with a tight end, or you take the receiver here and then you're trying to find another tight end later. I think you can and bear you understand this because you play the game. A lot of receivers are they

just do different things. I go back to Cede Lamb where he be like, well, you know what, Kyle Pitts could fall because Cede Lamb felt And I say, there's a difference when you're talking about these tight ends and a guy like Kyle pittss Titan versus Cede Lamb. Receivers are like ice cream. Man. There's a whole lot of different flavors. The first receiver off the board was Henry Ruggs. None of us, none of us thought Henry Ruggs would be the first guy off the board, but you know

what he was the flavor John Gruten wanted. John Gruten is thinking to himself, I want Tyreek Hill. I want Tyreek Hill. Two point Yeah. So when we look at these receivers, they all fit differently. And actually it was it was something that my buddy Chris Landry at Landry football dot com. And Chris used to draft for the Tennessee Titans, and and and he spoke about how receivers are just different. Do you want a guy who's a X, Y Z, you know, and what kind of system are

you running. So while everyone pretty much said Cede Lamb was the number one ranked wide receiver last year, he wasn't the first second guy take it at all. It comes down to what do you want in your offense. John Gruten didn't see Cede Lamb as the fit for his offense as much as he saw Henry Ruggs. There's different receiver, Jamar Chase all right there, right, Jamar Chase is a man. I mean, there's a big old dude right here. But there may be a team that says,

we already have somebody similar to him. We don't want it. We want a different guy. We want a speed guy. All right. Take Philip Philadelphia for instance. Philly's got Jalen Reagor. This is a fast kid. So Philly's yeah, hey, we would love to have a Jamar chase next to the speed guy. So that's why I say just comes down into just different flavors. But overall, when you talk about the tight end and Kyle Pitts, well, that's the guy.

You know, that's the guy. He's the vanilla. He's he's a beautiful French vanilla in terms of you can make him match with anything. He's gonna match with anything. He's a Swiss army knife. I mean, like like you said, he can he can line up after in line tight end position and work against linebackers and safeties. You can line them up at the slot position and he can outrun nickels and kind of body nickels out of there,

and then you can line them up out wide. I mean, we've seen what he can do two corners at the highest level, at the college level. So for me, like you said, this guy's a Swiss Army knie, and I can see where you can go ahead and get him instead of going to get a receiver, because he can do so many more things than just your receiver. Because you can receiver, you're either locked into the slot or

you're locked into the outside receiver. But with him, you can put him at age back, you can put him at tight end, you can put him at slot or outside receiver. So for me, Kyle Pitts is like that

Swiss army knife. He's very versatile, and like I said before earlier, I hope he gets off the board because I'm telling you, if he could, if he drops down to ten, all those things I mentioned, they're just gonna keep accumulating these guys brains and they're gonna be like, man, you know what, They're gonna tack themselves into this Kyle Pitts pick. So for me, I hope he's off the board. Man. I hope you're right and the Miami Dolphins, Caroline or somebody takes him off the board before he gets a

chance to maybe fall into Jerry's lap. All right, do let me just ask this question to you really quick. Don't dick, dick, just just name who are the top four receivers okay in your mind in the national footballing and not any particular but it's getting here. When you think of your top four guys, who are there? Ups Off the top of my head, top four guys, I'm going Davante Adams, the Ante Adams, Julio Jones, Hopkins and maybe Stefan Diggs. That's just off the top of my head,

without you know, to think it too much into it. Yeah, yeah, and perfect. And this is why I was just gonna say two of those and you had the same ones that I had a top of my head. Two of them first round picks and the other two were not. So you can find guys later on as far as white receivers who fit exactly what you want. So to me, that's why I come back to this whole Kyle Pitts deal.

If I'm a team like Miami and I've got a I got a receiver need, I'll go ahead and take Kyle Pitts and I can figure out the other receivers and get somebody a little bit. I got a better shot of funding and Davantae Adams or Stefan Digs in round two than I do a Kyle Pitts in round two or three later on. That that's kind of my saying. That's why I leave Kyle Pittston fall at ten. Yeah,

like you said, I'm working with there. With you, I don't think he'll fall the ten because, like you said, you got you got the dolphins, right, there, you got the Carolina Panthers, who are in knee of kind of an injection of juice on that offensive side of the ball. I mean, I know they got Christian McCaffrey out there, but and Robbie Anderson, but you need that third piece

in there. So I think there's definitely teams out there that can go ahead and get him and scoop him up before the Dallas Cowboys have a chance to get there. So I'm not really worried about him falling. But to get back to your original original question, that just kind of irped me a little bit, just just how how fans and how how teams are just kind of let's kick the can on the defense. We'll find depth later on in the draft and defensive side of the ball.

And then when we play bad, and when we're historically bad on the defensive siety, you want to get all on the players case and say, oh, we don't have any talent and we don't well, we had a chance to add that talent defensively in the draft and we chose to go offense. So that's that's the kind of thing that kind of ticks me a little bit. But hey, man, like I said, I'm hoping we go defense movie. That's all I gotta do. I gotta hope we go defense.

Here's what irks me about the draft process and just listening to fans is the willingness to just say, hey, trade out of ten. And this is what I'm thinking right now. Obviously, come draft Day, we're gonna find out how we've been lied to a lot. Okay, we're gonna find out, Wenna lie because every draft day we see surprises. Nobody had Mittel Trubisky being traded up and going number two in the draft, but the Bears kept it under wraps. I remember when Dallas had the number four pick and

ended up taking Ezekiel Elliott. The number three pick was Joey Bosa, and no one was talking about Joey Bosa to the Chargers, but Ton Talesco, their GM had he had eyed on Bosa all day long than that was going to be the guy. So we're going to see some things that happened. But for me, the fact that the Cowboys will most likely be able to take a blue chip player, defensive player at ten and people want to get out of that I find maddening because you've

earned this tenth pick overall the draft. You've earned it. Yeah, hope not to be there again. So take a piece and try to get a blue chit piece. I think about Tyrn Smith number nine overall for the Cowboys, Ezekiel Elliott number four overall for the Cowboys. They took guys who fit the profile coming out of college. They were very good football players. They were worth the pick, and the results from both players, in my opinion, made the pick worth it. These guys, Ezekiel Elliott and becoming a

rushing leader. You've got all decade team for Tyrant Smith. I mean, that's what you hope to get out of the tenth pick. And right now I keep seeing Patrick Sutan mock to the Cowboys at ten, and if the Cowboys can get that player at ten, don't trade down. Just sit right there and take a player whose dad played the National Football League, a guy who stepped on the campus at Tuscaloosa, Alabama to play for Nick Saban, to start it from day one. Nick Saban is a

defensive backs coach. That's what he played at Kent State. That's his specialty. So you know he was coach hard. He was an All American player He's an SEC Defensive Player of the Year. He was a better player at Alabama than Trevon Diggs, and many people say Trevon Diggs is the best corner right now on the Dallas Cowboys. To me, this is not a hard thing to do. It's really simple the resident to me, and I don't know about you, Barry, because you played this league. So

you tell me. If they did it in college, they had the opportunity to do it in the pros. If they didn't do it in college, then I'm gonna wonder how much can they really do it in the pros. This guy's resume is as clean to me as it gets to be a player in this league worth Oh yeah, And you know how I thought about this guy since day one. I mean, he's been my you know, I need this guy at number ten since we knew the draft slot we were gonna get. So I've been on

the train as far as certain since the beginning. For me, though, when it comes down and I agree with you on those blue chip prospects, because look at what we added to our offense. Like you said, Ezekiel Elliott, he was a blue chip guy. Last time we were able to pick that high we picked him, and look what he's become. I mean, he was the engine for our offense for three four years. I mean now I'm starting to, you know,

pass the torch. I'm not sure if that's a good idea that we give the full reins to Dak Prescott. But this guy, at the beginning, he was the engine that could. He was the engine that got us rolling. And Tyron Smith and all those blue chip prospects on the offensive side of the ball made us into one

of those offensive powerhouses. So just imagine if we were to take that same philosophy to the defensive side of the ball and like you said, started adding these blue chip prospects to it, I think it'll around our defense. Around it, we could become a better team. I mean, we got to be much better than we were last year with that historically bad defense. So I'm right there, which you KNEWI I push a little bit back on that trade back scenario, and I'm sure we'll get into

that later on in the show. If our two guys aren't there in the draft, and then maybe we do trade back a little bit, but we'll discuss that. But overall, I'm with you. I think we need well, that is that's definitely where I was going to get into next. So if Patrick's er ten and JC Horne aren't there, what do you do. We'll do that after the break, But I want to say this one thing before we go to break. When you start talking about the cost

of NFL players, quarterbacks cost you. Edge Rusher's cost you, cornerbacks cost you. I mean these are when you start talking about premium spots. In order to get top notch players. The cost is high in free agency, so you need to get them in the draft. That is why I am looking at a corner is gonna cost you. We saw what Miami paid to take Byron Jones away from the Cowboys, made in the highest paid corner in the game. And with all due respect, we like Byron as a player.

We think he's an outstanding man. But Byron is not the best corner in the National Football League. But he got paid the highest price because these players are in demand. And that's something I hope Cowboy fans start to realize for those who've been pushing back against the corner is hey, look if you get a blue chip one, look at what Jalen Ramsey has been You look at Jalen Ramsey's been in his time. If you played with him at Jacksonville and the Rams, Man, this guy's been all that.

You look at his resume. Okay, I challenge anybody look at Jalen's asume coming out of Florida State. You go match that same resume with Patrick's Curtan. You talk about guys who both started for the day they got on campus, guys who were part of national championship teams in the best quarterback on those defenses. Here there's a whole lot where these guys match up. Man, and now Jalen's a bigger player. But I'm just talking about the resume overall.

I'm not saying he's gonna be Jalen Ramsey. But when Jalen Ramsey came out, he checked off so many boxes that said, yeah, this is what we want. And I feel like Curtan does that same thing Church. I feel like he does. And it's like and as a corner that has those abilities, those lockdown abilities, it's not all about interceptions. I mean, I know a lot of fans out there they go, oh, he doesn't get the ball

that much, he doesn't take the ball away. But when you have a corner out there that can literally shut down their top receiver or shut down a half of the field. That makes the rest of the defense that much easier, especially as a safety, you don't even have to worry about that side. And as a defensive coordinator like Dan Quinn, if you got a guy who's shut down out there like that, you can do so many

more things with your defense. You can blitz more, you can have help to other needs on the defensive side of the ball. So to me, it's not all about just interceptions and can he get his hands on the ball? Is he the guy that can go out there and shut down I think that's what Stan can be, especially with that pedigree with his dad playing in the league, playing at Alabama under Nick Saban, and we know what

those guys can do in the secondary. So I just think he has that pedigree and he can come down and not only be a playmaker on the ball, but also shut down a half of the field and make the defense so much easier. And I think that it will see dividends if we're able to get him in the tenth. So we set up here, we run off this great resume for Certan and guess where they're gonna be teams right before the Cowboys who see the same thing, and maybe they take him off the board. Maybe Ja

Jesse Horne gets taken off the board. So what did the Cowboys do? We'll discuss that next. What did the Cowboys do if the top two corners in this draft are gone? Where do they stay? At ten? Do they take another player? Let's dive into that on the flip side of the players lines right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com radio. Adjust your klatz, adjust your pads, even adjust your helmet, but seriously, don't adjust your underwear because

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A long time Cowboys are joined by four Dallas Cowboys. Safety Barry Church. Our other running buddy, Danny McCrae is off. He'll be back joining us in May. So Church, we're discussing the draft, which is less than two weeks away. Yes, sir, if J. C. Horn and Patrick's or ten are gone at ten and you're the Dallas Cowboys and you also, oh, by the way, don't have an option to take Kyle Picks or to day school. These four picks are gone. What do you do if you're the Cowboys? Do you

stay at ten? Do you trade them? If it's up to me. If I was being paid to make these type of decisions for the Dallas Cowboys and it was solely on me, I'm trading back newly. I'm trading back and seeing if I can get some more death pieces for this defense. Now. I say that because that guy that that blue chip that we were talking about, if him and Horn, because I consider Horn and blue Chip

as well. If Horn and Certan aren't there, I don't see any other defensive stand out unless you're maybe maybe leaning towards Micah Parsons out of Penn State, that fast linebacker, if you're sold on him, maybe, But to me, I'm not sold on any blue chip prospect other than those guys in the in the top ten. Now if we were later on picking Shore, but at the top ten, I don't see a defensive lineman out there that kind

of blows my socks away. Like I said, if you feel like that Penn State linebacker can do it, but he doesn't do it for me and anybody else in the secondary, I just don't see. I feel like we can get in later rounds. So for me, I would trade back, get some more, get them, maybe a second or third and I would get death pieces because we need them, especially on an interior part of the defensive line.

I feel like we can get great, solid death pieces back there because right now we're working with Tristan Hill, who's coming off of an Acyl and Nevill Gallimore. And I'm high on Nevil Gallimore. I think he can be a stud on that defensive tackle, but I need a bigger sample size and Tristan Hill, we don't know what we're getting back from that ACL. And then you go to the second line of the defense, which is the linebackers, and we have Lve, we got Jalen Smith, but you

know those guys are injury prone. Those guys have missed time, especially LVE in the recent years. So for me, I think we need a death piece there as well. And in the secondary, man, if we can't get those blue chip prospects, we're gonna have to load up somehow in some way because the secondary we have now with Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis, those guys I don't feel like they can hold up back there. They don't. They need

the more veteran presence back there. So for me, I'm trading back and I'm trying to get more depth for this defense. But overall, I gotta hope my guys are there. I gotta hope they're there because those guys are to me,

cornerstone pieces of the defense that sorely sorely needs it. Okay, So, and under this scenario, and what I'm thinking, so if we if if you get to ten and you've got a J. C. Horn gone, and you've got a Patrick's and gone, and Pena Soul and Kyle Pitts are gone, this means most likely there should be a quarterback falling at this point in time. And maybe that quarterback is justin fields. Maybe it's the kid Trey Lands from North Dakota State and from the buzz that's being out there.

Like I said, we're lied to a lot. I always have to remember this, we're lied to a lot at this time. If Washington wants to if Washington wants to come up, if Chicago wants to come up, if New England wants to come up, if they're if they're willing to come up to ten to get this quarterback, would you do it? Do you trade them? Because that's to

get the ammunition you're talking about. Okay, the ammunition you're talking about you want more pieces, the best way to get it and where people will pay you the most money in a ransom is for a quarterback. And if if the quarterback falls, are you still here? Am I

still here? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, we got you? Okay? If the if the court, let's just say Fields falls, and we know from what the buzz we've been hearing, New England they high on Fields and they could trade up and get somebody and it fields us there at ten. I could see New England making a choice to go up there and get him, and then we would slide back to fifteen and add some pieces later on in the round. I'm all for that. I'm all for that.

If if those two corners are not available, because you know, the guy out of Virginia Farley or Virginia Tech, he would have been one of my blue chip guys. But he's coming off of back surgery and we're already fielding a team that's full of guys who've had surgeries and injury prone and all that stuff. So we don't want to bring a guy who's yet to do an NFL snap already who had surgery. We don't want to bring him in, especially that high So for me, if those

two guys aren't there, I gotta trade back. I gotta get more depth for this defense because as we know, this team has been injury prone the last couple of years, and we're adding another game, a seventeenth game, So for me, you got to need more more pieces over there. I would trade back, especially if New England's ready to go, because that's only five more picks back, So I'd be

willing to trade back for sure. So kind of wrapping this up in conclusion, we believe the Cowboys should stay at ten if they have the ability to get themselves

one of these two quarterback prospects and quarterback. And if the quarterback prospects are gone and there is all of a sudden four quarterbacks taken and a fifth quarterback in terms of justin Fields is available or Lance is available, and you've got a team that's desperate to get them, you go ahead and possibly look and entertaining if going down, because in your mind you don't feel that there's another

blue chip player. Now, Michael Parsons is a guy that a lot of people, okay, a lot of people thinks worthy of a top ten pick. I mean not not not my cup. You know, I'm not big on him like that, but there are people who are and people who do this process and say he is and and you're out on him as well. So you and I are like, now, Parsons, isn't that guy go ahead and move out of the tent if if you do not have a blue chip guy in your opinion that you can ride out and say, man, this dude, we're gonna

slide him into the line up day one. Because if the Cowboys draft Michael Parsons, does he start day one? Is at is he is he starting? Does I mean? And then you got the short knif season and all that stuff, so I mean, is he gonna be ready? Is he gonna be ready to start? So that's the thing with me and it knew him ask you this.

Do you feel like there's besides the corners we name that early in the draft, do you see anybody out there that's, like, you know what, he's a must we got If those guys on the board, it's okay because we got this guy right here in the chamber waiting. So do you see anybody else out there like that?

Here's I'm glad you asked that because this is something I was just I was talking about buddy Chris Lantry about and you know, here's a guy who worked for Belichick and saving in Cleveland, ran the ran the like the combine and he said draft to pretend to see for years and he says, look for the fit. Did not look at the draft rankings. So the unfortunate thing for us is we haven't had an ability to sit down and talk to dan Quinn to say, what is

it you want? Okay, Mike McCarthy told us, hey, he feels like you can't have enough six foot five, two hundred and seventy pound guys up front on the D line. He feels like you can't have So we understand what he's thinking. And so that's what I would really love to know. Hey, dan Quinn, what fits for you? Does Micah park is Mica part is Micah Parsons your Vic Beasley? Is there a safety out here that reminds you of Demante Kaz and Earl Woods? Do you have somebody on

the D line that reminds you of Cliff Avril? Is there somebody that's draft the D line that fits your defense the way Michael Bennett did that Super Bowl forty eight team that went up to MetLife Field and laid a whooping on Peyton Man, who was the MVP of the league that year with fifty five touchdown passes. That's what I'd like to know, because church so much of that is about how these things work. When you were in Jacksonville, you guys had an excellent defense, but the

pieces fit and that's what matters so much. Do the players fit the scheme? And we can say all day long, like Mike McCarthy talks about, well as players over scheme, we didn't see that last year. But if we're going to get the best out of players, you need to know how to put them in the right position. And so that's the thing I talk about so much about

these quote unquote rankings. Go back to Cede Lamb CD Lamb was number one on a whole lot of folks boards, but the Raiders said, Henry Ruggs is the best fit for us and what we want to do. And then when it came time for the Denver Broncos the draft, they took Jerry Judy over Cede Lamb because they said, this guy fits exactly what we want to do. And so there you had CD Lamb falling to the Cowboys. So that's why I just kind of look at I mean,

they even go back to Atlanta. Here's Atlanta one pick ahead of the Dallas Cowboys, and they said, we've got Julio Jones, We've got Calvin Ridley, we don't need CD Lamb, even though like everyone, they had a first round grade on Cede Lamb. Okay, this guy was a first round graded player. And every year, you know, there's not thirty two first round dudes. There may be eighteen to nineteen sometimes even the twenty one true first round grades. But it comes down to the fit of the football team.

People can sit up here all day long and bag on Matt Jones, but when you start to look at Kyle Shanahan and Chris Sims has done a good job of this. They were teammates and at UH at Texas, and Chris works for NBC Sports and he says Mac Jones fits the kind of player that Kyle and his dad, Mike Shanahan are kind of quarterbacks they like. So wait are you on Mac Jones? As a lot of these people on I can't I can't understand that one. Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait let me let me. You're

not hearing You're not hearing me. What am I talking about? I'm saying, look for the fit, don't look at the draft RK. So I understand, and I understand that. But Matt. Do we think Matt fits that West Coast system like that? I mean, I don't know they're being up sample size to say he's the guy, all right and so great. I'm glad to does he fit it? Is he better than coming out of school? Is he better than Kirk Cousins? It wasn't Michigan State? Yeah? Yeah, coming out of school.

Was he better than Jimmy Garoppolo was when Jimmy was playing in Eastern Illinois? Yeah? But look Lee was thrown throwing too. He has a he has a track team out there. Yeah. How many first rounds he got? Devonte Smith, Waddle, Nagi Harris. He gonna have two first round offensive linemen around him. I mean, this guy's played with a lot of talent. He's played with a lot we've seen too. Came from that same thing everybody was on two was the greatest? I agree, you know, we'll see I agree

with you. But this comes down to, I mean, okay, what does it always come. It comes down to what we just talk about. It's the fit, it's what they want Shannahan has. Shanahan was the guy who was gonna wait on Kirk Cousins to come to him, and the Cousins signed that big old deal in Minnesota. I would have never put I wouldn't have been signed him at all. That's not my thing. Um, Matt Ryan Ryan want to

MVP with Kyle Sanahan. So they have a ship, Okay, I mean the end of the day, it's like your buddies. Hey man, you know, you and your buddies. If you're both single and you're going out on the town, you're gonna have a type of female you like you'ren say, hey man, you know I like this type. This is my type right here. Okay. So the same with quarterbacks, same with white receivers. So while mac Jones is not your type and not my type, what if we see

it's Kyle Shanahan's type. You know, Kyle Shanahan might be that guy to see him going, man, he might be that guy that says, dude, I like those red heads with curly here. Okay, that's his type. That's his type. Different strokes for different folks, and he's doing the drafting, so he's going to go get his type. All right. Look, I for all day long, man, I was about Deshaun Watson coming out. I was like, man, that's the guy, not Mahomes, not your bisky. I was like, Deshaun Watson,

that's the guy. But guess what n NFL value. He just didn't feel that way. He went third. Then here it is the Cleveland Browns who had two shots. They had the first and the twelfth pick. Okay, they had two shots at Watson and didn't want the guy. In fact, they traded out of twelve to Houston because they didn't think he was that good and they thought Deshaun Kaiser

of Notre Dame was just the grus play. They were wrong, But I'm just that's when I keep coming back to, don't look at the rankings, look at the fits and what people want. That's why we see or draft days so many like what what are they doing? I mean, Henry Ruggs, why would you take Henry Ruggs when he was he was not the best wide receiver for the Alabama Crimson Tide. But guess what John Gruen thought he

was Now I thought John Gruden was wrong. We saw the record, but hey, that's what this thing comes so, Barry. That's why I say, man, don't look at the rankings, don't look at what you like, because it's going to be a team that says, this guy fits what we do and what we want and you shake your head. Yeah. Sometimes, go ahead. I'm gonna give an example where I was one hundred percent wrong. It was a year that the Cowboys. I thought they were right there able to take Sharif

Floyd defensive tackle. I think he was at Florida's statement. He was coming out of school, big guy. Man, take that guy. They traded out. Cowboys traded out, Minnesota takes it, and then they trade in. Later I think it was thirty one in the draft. Thirty and thirty one they took Travis Frederick. Like, why are you taking a center? What are you doing? The Cowboys were right, and Travis Frederick fitted what they wanted to do and had an outstanding career. So that's an example where I was one

hundred percent wrong. The Cowboys knew what they're fit and what they needed. And so as we talked about this process, you and I, man, we were both on the same thing. Mac Joe. Mac Jones ain't special. Mac Jones was a guy who was a part of assistant. You had a great defense that got to the football. You had nothing but an offensive line it was good, and running back it was good. And you have for years now you've had first round wide receivers. How good is the guy?

But we're not the guy drafted the forty Look, the forty nine ers are the people who who passed Mahomes and Watson Watson. Okay, right, so so make sure you remember that. Okay when people sit up here all day long and say, man, I don't get it. I don't know, you should get it. They didn't think I mean, they didn't think Mahomes or Watson was worthy. They took Solomon Thomas from Coppell, Texas, who was at Stanford. That's who

they took. They traded down because the Bears traded with them, So they traded down, took a defensive tackle, and then they bypassed Mahomes and Watson. So if they're doing that, would you really be surprised if they said we don't want Justin Fields. I wouldn't be that surprised. I wouldn't be that surprised. I'll tell you what, I will be dumbfounded. If they go ahead and get mac Jones at number three, I'll be like, man, what in the world. And maybe

I'm completely wrong. Maybe this is the fit and he ends up fitting exactly what the forty nine ers want. But right now, just looking I just I just don't see it. I don't see it. Maybe that's why I'm not a GM or in that position, but to me, I just don't see it. I don't see him being that third overall pick. And it comes back to when you're drafting philosophy, do you do you just do you draft need or do you draft what you want? And that's to me, and that's the dilemma we're in right now.

I think a lot of players they want that, they want that cowpus, they want that that flashy new toy, but we're in need of a lot more other things, especially on the defensive side of the ball. So I guess it all just comes down to philosophy and what you believe in as far as drafting process for your team. Look, quarterbacks are are interesting lot. Then I go back to the situation you're in in Jacksonville. Here's Jacksonville with Blake Bortles.

At this point in time, we all know Blake Bortles is not that guy, even though he was taking third overall. Here the Jaguars with the fourth overall pick, and they decide they want to take Leonard for at the running back and they did not want Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes. They didn't do it. And here they are with the first pick in the draft, trying to get back and figure out this quarterback position. So they'll end up taking

Trevor Lawrence. But this this becomes where team teams, man, they you shouldn't be surprised when you see so many mistakes. I guess that's what I'm trying to say, Barry. What do we see constant mistakes by by people were supposed to be the best evaluators in the world at the most critical position in the league. They mess up time

and time again. When you see a Christian pond to go in the first round and see Jake Locker go in the first round, I mean, really, but that Blaine Gabbert And that's why I see, man, and that's why half of this league, literally like fifty five percent of this league is made up of undrafted guys, undrafted guys who got passed up like myself. And that's why the league is made up, because because guys or teams they miss out on players and then players go undrafted and

end up proving everybody wrong. But that's why you see mistakes are made year in and year out in his NFL draft. So going back to the Cowboys, a circle back here. If they don't take your cornerback in round number one, must they take one in rounds two, three? And we haven't even addressed the safety position yet. So Church, how do you view the first and second days? Because round one is on a Thursday. Okay, that's round ones all one day. Rounds two and three are gonna be

on Friday. So how do you feel about what the Cowboys do to address this defense? Well, I think they have to address the secondary. If they don't do it in round one, it has to be in two or three. You gotta get yourself a And I'm not saying you can't find you know, like you said undrafted wise, look at Malcolm Butler. He's had a solid career as a corner and he was undrafted. So I'm not saying you can't find corners later on in a draft, but for me,

I think we gotta address it early on. I think you get your most bang for your Bucke if you address it early on. And right now with the secondary we have, you know, right now, what is it Brown? Jordan Lewis Ma Woozier's gun and at the say and at the safeties, I think we got Keyan O'Neil in Demante Kyz right now, and Keyan O'Neil is playing basically linebackers,

so we haven't about the dress. He's a linebacker, and I don't even want him to step back and be that every down safety because I think he'll get exposed that way. And I think the best way to treat him is in that third down package, having them blitz and having them do all that stuff near the line of scrimmage, because he's a phenomenal box safety. But I don't know if he can do both on the deep end as well. But overall, we have gap to address

that secondary. I don't think the Gays we have there right now will be able to hold up against the players that they're coming in here. I mean, look at the division overall. You see Washington, they brought in a Fitzpatrick, they brought in a Samuel to help stretch the field. I mean, you look at New York. They brought into Kenny Galladay to go along with Shephard and those boys,

and Dary is slating over there. So these offenses in our league, even though we were in obviously one of the worst divisions International Football League, the offenses are actually getting better. So I don't think the secondary we have right now can hold up against those guys are down in and down out, So we got address that need. This is a passing league. I mean, ninety percent of offenses come out in eleven personnel, and for those who don't know that, that's one running back, one tight end,

and three wide receivers. So we gotta have guys. We gotta have cover guys out there that can cover those cover those receivers out there. So for me, we had got to get addressed this in a draft. We already missed out on free agency. I mean, I'm sure there might be some guys you can get later on if injuries happen, but overall, I think we gotta address that secondary because this is a passing league, and the offenses in our division have gotten a lot better and we

need to match that. Yeah, Philadelphia has got Jalen Raiger, and while he had a disappointing season, Eagle fans, I don't think they're looking in the fact that the offensive line was terrible all season long and they had quarterbacksies. If they take a Jalen Waddle at twelve or another wide receiver, you're talking about speed guy and another and Raiger and another potential speed guy right there, you can have some serious issues. Not to mention, the Cowboys do

face can't see the Chiefs this year. They do face Tom Brady. I mean, he's got some weapons. They do face quarterback Justin Herbert. They gotta go against Michael Thomas of the New Orleans Saints. You got to face Carolina that's got Robby Anderson out there. And then they got DJ the Kid, Dj Moore. I mean, so, so there's there's some serious white receivers. They got Minnesota. Oh, by the way, I know they beat Minnesota last year, but still you've got Jefferson, who's going to be an improved

player in year number two. You got Theling. So yes, the Cowboys defensive backfield needs to improve. They also got to improve that d line. Hey, let's take a break here when we come back. Um, a guy that you and I had come to the conclusion needed to be gone is gone, and it is Julian Edelman. Really a Hall of Famer. Let's dive into that. Next on the players side for newis scrubs right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hey, they're Cowboys fans with Tight Cleaners

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Cowboys dot com slash Draft Pick Challenge. Okay, Aldon Smith is a guy that early on in the year, that first month, I was like, yeah, what a great job by the Cowboys. Man, this this guy, this guy is somebody you need to think about signing long term, you know, get the multi year deal. Uh. Then we saw the last three months and you didn't see Aldon Smith. And right here on the Players on podcast brought about Hotels dot Com. I said, uh no, he needs to go.

He signed with the Seattle Seahawks on a one year deal. And I'm gonna tell you right now, Barry Church, I was smiling. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't don't Okay, no that I'm not gonna lie. Man. I was right there, which you man. I had a little grin on my face when I read that news and nothing against him. Man, he you know, he has an amazing story. He mean, five years out of the league. You know, you battled back from all your from all the demons you had, and you came back. You were

able to come back to the league. And in the first couple of games, first five games, I mean, I think he registered like three sacks or something like that in the first couple of games, and everybody was I was right there, which I'm like, man, this dude got the juice. Instead of missing five years, it looked like he only missed five games. But then as we see, man,

the NFL season, it's a long and grueling season. And by week eight or nine, I mean we were both asking each other, I mean, didn Alton Smith even dressed? Was he dressing a day like he did he make a play out there? And it just seemed like he was just taking up space and taking up snaps from guys like Randy Gregory or Bradley and I that that that has some upside to him that can actually go

out there and produce. So for me, I mean, it was a it was a great story for autun Smith to come in here and do what he did or

do what he did. But overall, I think the Cowboys made the right move and to move on from him, because I think he was blocking the progress of a Randy Gregory who seemed to come alive towards the end of the season, and I would like to see what he can do with a full season under his belt, with a full offseason under his belt and get going, and with guys like um like Alton Smith there, it was just blocking that progress. So I'm happy he was able to go out there and get another job with

the Seattle Seahawks. But I'm also happy he was sent along his way because I don't think it was that great of a fit, just a better story. Yeah, And there's you know, the one thing about doing this job is you can find things offline. You know, you're a former player, and there's certain things that you guys will will tell us that are off the record. And so there's some off the record things that took place last year which you need to move on from Alden Smith.

And one of the things, and this is why I hate that we can't talk to dan Quinn. I never thought he'd fit dan quinn skin. It just didn't seem to be the fit. Of it, and so he moves on. And so maybe Seattle, which you know, a lot of the concepts of Dan Quinn is gonna bring they run in Seattle. Maybe Dave Pete's got away, He'll use him. But I just think they needed to move off on him.

They tried. It didn't work. Jim Tom Suld, the line coaches all gone, let's just move off, move off that, and just just say, hey, grand opening, grand closing, and you move on from there. So Alden Smith gone, I'm more than more than happy happy with that. So Julian Edelman retired this week, and immediately people started, I mean, this is the thing now. So a guy retires, we want to say, is he a Hall of Famer? LaMarcus

Aldridge retired yesterday? If people like, hey, he's a Hall of famor I say he's a Hall of Famer, and Danian Lillis say he retires number and I'm like, wait a minute. I mean he was he was a good player and played fifteen NBA systems and made the All Star Team seven times. But when I think about the

greatest basketball players at all time, is LaMarcus Aldridge. That is Julian Edelman, one of the greatest wide receivers of all time, that we need to put him in Canton and say, kids, we can't tell the story of the National Football League without Julian Elman. Yes you can, Yes you can. Yeah, I could tell the story. It was Tom Rady, kids, Tom. I mean, okay, we Wes Welker was a really good white receiver. Okay, Wes Walker was that slot guy. And then after Wes Welker they dumped him.

They brought up Danny Ammondola, they brought in Julian Ellman. We never heard anything from Wes Welker once he left. He didn't really do much. He went to New England. I mean he went to Denver and played on the Super Bowl team and got beat by Seattle. And Danny Amondola didn't really do much. I mean, Julian Edelman is a nice player, but he's a product of the system. Man,

He's definitely a product of a system. But I gotta get him shout out because you know, mac representative Mid American Conference came from Kent State, So I'll give him a shout out on that one. But overall, man, I would not say he was a Hall of Fame candidate. I mean, we got a quick disrespect in the guys that are in the Hall of Fame right now. I mean, those are some of the guys that, like you said, you can't write the history of the NFL without placing

those guys in there. I mean, are we really gonna say that that Julian Edelman was on the level of a Randy Moss or even even a guy like Drew Pearson who had to wait so long to get into the National Football League, who I believe it was a much better receiver than Julian Edelman. I mean, there's countless and countless and countless examples of wide receivers who put up better numbers than Julian Edelman. Yes, his playoffs stats

are immaculate. They're immaculate. I think he's second to only Jerry Rice in all the major receiving categories when it comes to the playoffs. But that's kind of a longevity thing. I mean, he's played an over twenty playoff games, so it's you know, it's kind of like you have a select few guys that are played that much that many playoff games that kind of can put up those type of numbers. But like I said, I mean, he has a great story. He's a you know, he's a hard competitor.

I mean I went against him a couple of times, and he's one of those guys. He loves a chat, he loves just talk and chit chat the whole game. He kind of gets under your skin. And he's a tough he's a tough guy. I mean I always remember that he took from Cam Chancellor in the Super Bowl over the middle. It was hit on wow, and Cam Chancellor, as we know, is probably one of the most hard hitting safeties the NFL has ever had, and he ate that. He ate that hit, kept stumbling forward for a little

bit and then failed. So he's he's a tough, greedy competitor. But that always doesn't doesn't translate to being a Hall of Fame player. I think he was a great player, I mean, a good player overall. If there was a Hall of Good, he would definitely be in there. But a Hall of Fame, I just can't put him that far. He had a great career, but not a Hall of Fame career. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing

wrong with that. He can still put his hat on his career because he had a heck of a of a long career. Most players don't even play as long as he had, so he had a great career, but Hall of Fame worthy. I'm gonna have to pass on that one, Okay. So you bring up Drew Pierson, and Drew Pierson is the guy who was the first Team All Decade nineteen seventies. He and the great Lens Swan were the first the two guys wide receiver. And I looked over at Julian Edelman and said, okay, was at

some point in time was Julian Edelman All decade? Because these are some of the things that you throw in there, because obviously he's a part of three Super Bowl teams and he was a Super Bowl MVP. Oh, by the way, I got bust of stereoidtenuments four games. Let's not forget about that. But Julian Edelman was not a part of the All Decade team for the two thousand and tens. Your two thousand tens white receivers here they are Antonio Brown,

Larry Fitzgerald, Megatron, Calvin Johnson, and Julio Jones. He's not in that category, Okay, Julian Edeman that category, that's what we're talking about. What you're talking about. Let me talk about Hall of Fame wide receivers, and we just saw Megatron is getting in. Megatron and Drew Pearson are the same class for twenty twenty one. Julian Edelman, he's not antonio' brown. He's not Antonio o' brown. Okay, we're talking about guys who were all Pro receivers and Pro Bowl receivers year

in a year out. Julian Edelman wasn't that guy. Julian Edelman was a fantastic piece to the New England Patriots and what they did, and he deserves to be in the Patriots Hall of Fame. But this nan should not be in Canton. I'm sorry. He went to Kent State, that's right down the road from Canton. But the only way he gets in is to go see Tom Brady get inducted. But Julian Edelman is not that. He's not

that people. My buddy Tom Current over NBC sports Ball said, we'll look at what he did, the great playoff games he had. That's all good and dandy, but that's not Hall of Fame. And we've got too many guys who are legitimate Hall of famers who can't find a way in you know Roger Craig, Well, Roger Craig was a running back. Roger Craig was a heck of a running back. Here's the guy that was your first one thousand yard receiver in one thousand yard running back and everybody's looking

for that dude today. Roger Craig was doing that when it was still more of a running league, and when they were passing, they weren't passing the wall to the running backs his weapons like that. I mean, now you're running back. If you're not a weapon and you can't catch the football, man, nobody wants you on their teams anymore. So this is a guy who can't get into the

Hall of Fame right now. So when I look at Julian Alam and I say, you know, no, Hines Ward was a Super Bowl MVP with the Pittsburgh Seals, Hines Ward's not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I don't have an issue that Hines isn't. But I'm just saying, man, there's other dudes that we could sit up here and talk about and say, hey, man, is

he a better player? Is he a better player than Steve Smith and Kom Bolden, Andre Johnson when they play nah Man, he was a part of a very He was a part of a really good winning culture and did his part to help that culture win. But that doesn't translate the Hall of Fame. Man. I'm sorry. Let me ask you a question. Do you think I know he put up numbers in that in that New England system, But do you think he could put up those even

close to those numbers anywhere else? Like if if you think he's strictly a system receiver, like, do you think he can just go to the Cleveland Browns and put up those same type of numbers. Look, West Welker was a guy who was in Miami, and Wes Welker didn't He was just a guy. He goes to New England and Westwinder becomes a really good football player, and then he ended up going to Denver and was a part of that that six hundred point team the Broncos had.

They went to the Super Bowl and Peyton Manning was unanimous MVP, throwing fifty five touchdowns that year, but they got obliterated the Super Bowl when they lost forty eight thirteen. So here's a guy who played with two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, who had two of their greatest seasons of all time. And he was a part of those teams when Brady was the MVP a through for fifty. West Welker was on that team. But Wes Welker was in my opinion, you were all part of

the system. You know. West Walker was a great player. But yes, Peyton Manning was there. But guess what, you know what, Peyton Manning played and made a lot of other receivers look good too. So to me, West Walker was just he was just a guy who fit that system. Danny Amondola was replaced, Okay, that was the West Welker replacement. Danny A. Mendola ended up catching some touchdown passes in the Super Bowl, being a part of some Super Bowl teams went to Detroit. What did you do in Detroit

for man, Patricia? Nothing? He was just a guy. It's twelve man, And why didn't we just see this year? Why don't we just see this year? Twelve left the building? Where are the Patriots the basement at the AFC East right now, They're in the basement trying to climb the way back up. And I'm gonna ask you this, do all those guys in New in New England, who opted out? Do they opt out if Tom Brady is the quarterback?

Highly doubted, I highly exactly exactly how many guys in Tampa Bay did you see opt out when they found out Tom Brady was their quarterback? They was in. They was all in that I'm gonna risch that thing was so you know, and it's the it's it's tom Brady has excelled in making slot guys look good, and Peyton Manning did the same thing. Um, who's the little dude from Tampa Bay the slot receiver that caught the big

touchdown pass right before halftime? Scotty Miller Bowl Green Mac representator. Okay, tom Brady. Tom Brady makes those guys look good. Danny Amadola was a guy the Cowboys had in camp and cut. Okay. Danny amold started with the Cowboys, then ended up going to Philadelphia, didn't work out there, ended up with Saint Louis, and then he went to the New England Patriots. What did we see along his career? What did he pop?

He got? He got with Tom Brady and tom Brady so he left and soon as he left, he folded up and soon as he left, he fell off a cliff. So I mean all those receivers that you need there definitely, you know, system guys, and nothing against you Edelman and Amadola and those guys because they had great careers. But when you're a system guy, if you're not that guy that defenses focus on and put everything the other efforts towards you, and you still torch them like a Randy

Moss was able to do. I can't sit here and and and say that you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Definitely not a first ballot Hall of Famer, and I'm not sure who'll ever get in. So for me, that's the that's the toll for me. Now, that's the that's the bar for me. If you can be that guy on an offense, no matter the system, if you can beat that guy and still put up numbers, even know you're getting all the focus of every defense on you, then and you could be worthy of a Hall of

Fame career. But Edelman, he had a great one, just not a Hall of Fame one. I'll go back to another receiver that Tom Brady really found a way to have success with and was a Super Bowl MVP. That was Dean Branch, and Dean Branch got to where he got into contract dis pete with the Patriots and they ended up sending him to Seattle, and guess what, it didn't work out. He wasn't that guy with Tom Without Tom Brady, he wasn't. And then he ended up going back to New England. So to me, that's how I

see these guys. Tom Brady won a lot of Super Bowls. What a lot of dudes. What a lot of dudes that we saw. Hey man, it was the quarterback. And one of the best things Tom Brady ever did in his career was to make that move to Tampa Bay. So people aren't sitting around here anymore saying, well, was it Belichick was a Brady or they were both each other and it was Tom Brady. Give Tom Brady his due as the greatest quarterback of all time. If you don't want to make him great, definitely put him in

the top three. But this guy truly showed you what a difference he can make in an organization when you do things the way he wants to do. He loved what he had and Julian Edelman and he looked at Scottie Millers. I think you could do some of the same things. He loved what he had adon Branch deone branch. They didn't want to pay. That's when they got Wes Wilker and they started rolling from there and they kept it going. It's the system, man. Julian Edelman is a

product of the system. He's not a Hall of Famer. He's a great player. He should be in the Patriots Hall of Fame. That's my take on he. I agree a hundred percent. I agree one hundred percent what you man, all right, but that's one hour. Man. We didn't even get to Justin Field. Lewis's ad this about Justin Fields. He's got his pro day today. Charlie Cashuley, former Washington and Houston GM. By the way, he was at Houston. Gim took David Carr with the number one pick in

the draft. H Yeah, he said Justin Fields was gonna go twenty four. That's what Charlie Cashley twenty four, twenty four? But why what makes him like? I don't I don't understand like what makes like why why? I just don't understand it at all? You think he's gonna dropped that far with it? With as much need as some teams had for the quarterback position, you think he's gonna drop all the way to twenty four. You think there's twenty four better prospects or twenty three better prospects in this

draft than Justin Fields. I mean, we're talking about the quarterback position. That's the most important position in the national football Here's the quarterback. They have the ball each and every down there, they they make the offense go. And you think that type of town's gonna drop all the way to twenty fourth. I mean, we've seen it happen with an air Rodgers who dropped the twenty twenty second. But I just don't see it happened. I don't see

it happening. And yeah at all. So here here's where when I when I was watching it, I just kind of laughed at myself. And for him to drop to twenty four to the steam, there's means that Washington at nineteen and the Bears at twenty would have passed on Justin Fields. And there's no want fifteen true true? I mean so that yeah, so those are three fits. Those are three fits right there that you and I see. I just don't see it happened, Chica. I was willing to give up three number one picks to go get

Russell Wilson. They're desperate to find a quarterback. Yeah, they signed Andy Dalton on a ten million dollars one year deal. But these guys jobs, you know, the GM and the head coach, their jobs could be in the ballots if they can't make a playoff run this year. You get a guy like justin Fields, now you're able to use the good old excuse, well he was young, Well we

see him coming, we can help develop him. That's why I just laugh when I saw with Charlie Cash and we put out there for his mock draft at Fields falls the twenty four. There are too many football teams out there that will go ahead and take this guy way before twenty four. It's gotta be click baby. Man, there's no way he seriously thinks that that guy's gonna

drop all the way down to twenty fourth. I mean, there's there's just no way, like you said, with all those teams out there that are in need of a quarterback and have that built in excuse like, yeah, he's young, so I need another year with him. Another year will be we'll be better with him. I just I just can't see him going all the way to twenty fourth. I mean, look what happened when Aaron Rodgers with the

twenty second. You think all those teams ahead of him that passed up on him didn't win that they had a chance at him again. So I don't think that will happen again. I think I think he just was clicked baiting. And I didn't even add in the Raiders. I mean, John Gruten is not gonna pack, and so are the turmoil over there. Yeah, I mean there's just no way. There's just no way, all right. So Charlie Cashley, just I just shake my head. So, yeah, this is the same guy who said that Derek Carr was a

great player. It was number one pick and did get the kid anything at all? And yeah, he ended up his career as a backup quarterback. So hey, that's the players line. We appreciate it. Please tell a friend out there about the podcast. Um, thank you so much for checking us out. He's buried Church former Dallas Cowboys safety are other running buddy Danny McCrae. He's out. Danny will be back in may Our producer Chris Beam, who does an excellent job. We appreciate you, Chris Man, your master

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