Player's Lounge: The Draft Position Game

safety for the Cowboys, Danny McCrae and Barry Church. All right, gentlemen, this is a draft position game on Sunday in Cincinnati, Ohio, the Cowboys taking on the Bengals right now. The Bengals have a third overall pick in the draft. The Cowboys had the fourth pick in the draft. Whoever wins this? Do they really win? Do they really win? In the end when we start thinking about twenty one in FL Draft? Gentlemen, let's let's start with Jerry Jones today. So Jerry talks

on Tuesdays and Fridays, the ten thirty Friday Show. I used to host that when I was a host at What A five through the family, so this is always the good time to get Jerry as they head into their game. So Jerry says he wished that they didn't make so many defensive changes before the season. So Jerry has regret about that. Mike McCarthy was talking about how, hey, we got a bunch of guys who hadn't worked together

this year. So I wanted to run it by you first, Danny McCrae, your thoughts on Jerry saying he wished they didn't make so many defensive changes of Mike Nolan's scheme this year. Also, I was just about to ask you that. So it's specific to Mike Nolan's scheme and not the changes that he made as far as coaches correct, this is this is about the defensive scheme that oh hey, look we try oh listen If that means absolutely nothing to me, the scheme part is over with, man, it's

straight coaching. We've set out. It's it's no it's no time when we sit there and we watched them get beat for a deep touchdown, these guys being out of their gaps to where you said, hey, man, I think he's running something that's too complex. Maybe in week one or two, but after that, he came out and said, we're running stuff that the people run in high school. Covered three were getting beat over the top aglar regular

base defense. We're out of our gaps on that. So it's not necessarily the stuff that he put in and the stuff that that the players may have not been able to pick up on. It's literally the coaching that is the problem on defense. So I mean, that don't

mean much to me. Now, if he would have said, yeah, we shouldn't have let my man Richard go, and we should have kept that kind of scheme because we've seen some of our defensive backs becoming better players underneath him, and we just needed to make a few changes on the defensive line to get this better. I would have been all for that. But Mike Nolan's ski. Nah, I don't think that's it. But like I said, this makes me think that next season, Mike Nolan will still be here.

M man. Look, I hope not. I hope not, man, But I'm not wanting to call for someone's job. But look, man, it's the proof is in the Pudding Boys has been getting ran by ran through all seasons. I look, I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna stick with what I said yesterday. I do still believe it's sixty forty players over the coaches. And I say that because, look, man, the mistakes we've seen out there, they're elementary. Man. You should know this.

In high school, man, we've seen guys and Cover three getting ran by playing flatfooted and Cover three like, there's no there's no explanation for that. You shouldn't. You're a better than this league. You shouldn't be able. You shouldn't be able to do that. I mean, that's just that's just day one ruler. You know that in high school and Cover three you got the deep third, don't let anybody get behind you. But we've seen that time and

time again with this Cowboys defense. It's just excuses. And to me, it's just another it's just another talking point. It's just something that like we talked we talked about with Jayalen yesterday, how he's saying, Oh, we need to do this, we need to hustle to the ball. It's just all talk, man, it's all talking. It's all excuses.

And until we see some type of something, some type of moxie, some type of heart out there on the field, I'm gonna just go ahead and shove it to the side and just say it's all talking, it's all excuses. That's this. Listen, what you're just saying is another reason why that it's coaching to me. And when I say coaching, like I said, I don't mean scheme. I mean the man at the head, the man that's in charge of getting these players ready, motivating them, holding these guys accountable.

Chris Rochard is known for running what coverage church cover three? Cover three? All right, so last year when Raschard was here, we did not see this type of stuff happening. It's basic. Two quarters have the dep third and the middle safety got the DP third and they played that defense and they played they lined up in it, and they played it. Now all of a sudden, this year we come out and call the same defense with the same guy and we can't run it. I mean, look, this is this

is this is the most clear clear Pencer. But what's going on here? Like I said last year, we have to say. I will say this though, were we good last year? We ran the same type of people, But were we good on the defensive side of the ball? Last year? Were little better on they were left all they were better yeah, it got worse. Church, they were better,

got worse. So so so yes, listen. So if you if you go in there and you say, because remember this, if you had Christian Shard here right, and you go into the draft thinking the same way that you thought this year, because initially it was we're going defensive back and thinking defensive first in this draft, if you got Christian Shard here and you say, all right, this is

we're gonna do. We're gonna give you every piece that you need to build a defense that you want, I think this would be a different defense versus versus what it is. Now. I agree with you, Danny, I agree with you on percent. Then so um, let's touch you guys. Touched on Jalen Smith and what he had to say. Mike McCarthy had somewhat of response. Okay, Mike McCarthy said, he didn't say effort. Okay, wasn't saying effort that He's

about finish. Okay, So it's about finishing, not effort, not effort, guy, it's about finish. I thought it was one of the same. I mean, I think you finishing the play, it's effort. I mean, if you start out saying if you start out going one hundred miles an hour and then you just slow down towards the end. You don't finish as effort, just like if you go to I mean, it's one and the same to me at that quote just doesn't make sense. But it's one of the micro cars. Another

head scratcher with this coaching staff. I mean, we've seen the calls being head scratchers, and now we're seeing the explanations being head scratchers. I don't know what's next, man, That's why I'm off the cooler train Church. This will happen. So this must be the same thing that's going on in those means that you had them with Big Mike. He heard one, you heard one thing, but he really didn't need to say that he'd been finish. He didn't

mean effort. Call bro, like you said, it's this same thing. You cannot finish or play without having effort. Like these two things go together. They're not YouTube like, you can't do it, So it doesn't make It doesn't make sense. And the fact that that McCarthy says something inside the meeting, Jalen Smith comes out and says it in the media and then McCarthy has to go back and say it, like what is this telephone? Like what are we doing?

Like go out there and you get in the Cincinnati what are you talk So you have to listen to everything that every player says and then go respond to it in the meeting. Man, go out there and play football, bro go coach, go focus on winning your fourth game of the season. What is going on? That's about finish? Okay, so there's four games left. Guy, let's finish. I mean, Mike may want to just break out to Jason Garrett. Finished shirts, So let's finish this fight. You know. That's Hey, listen,

let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. As as a Cowboys head coach, don't you put Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy in the same in the same sentence, because right now it's a very different stature than they're on. Like Jason Garrett, who has been much better as a Cowboys coach that Mike McCarthy has shown his staff in these first twelve games. Oh, there's no doubt about I agree, there's no doubt about it. Um it has been and

I was. I was on the phone with someone today I said, I was, I've been so let down so let down that that. Now I'm starting to wonder, Okay, how how much did I get suckered? Did he really do anything in the barn like he said when Tom Palasoro went there, Peter King was all that really going on?

But he said he was. They watched every because he said it the press conference when they asked, hey, man, you said you watched every single snap of every game, and he's like, well, you know I wanted the job, so right there, he says, no, he didn't do it, he didn't watch it, so um, I don't man, I was hoodwinked. I was fooled. I was off. I was drinking at kool Ai. But unlike Church, I got off that bambooze and got off that narcotic quick. That narcotic

real quick. Man. It's bad for me. They didn't got us all man, They didn't blame Booze with us all. They had me on that narcotic as well knew he. I was on it for about twelve weeks. But you know, I went to a I went to AA meetings, and now I'm off. I'm off for the kool Ai and I'm thinking clearly now and I'm thinking that may we might have made a mistake in letting JG lead, But that's a point for another day. Now, Mike McCarthy, Mike,

Mike McCarty blinding y'all with the Super Bowl ring. Yes this dude, gold Listen, think about what you just said, Louie. The man goes out there and says he watches every snap of every game, comes here and doesn't call plays. So why are you watching the snaps for? Like what are you getting out of and like putting into our offense and our defense and our team that you saw on film. If you don't call players on defense, your friend doesn't, so we know you don't have much input there.

You're getting an all the play calling to killing more so you don't have no input there. And your special team coaches obviously calling face when you don't even know he's calling them. So you've been watching all this stuff, have your coaches and have you relayed the message in what you've learned to them, because right now I don't see it, which and I'll piggyback on what you said. It was a really good point when Mike McCarthy once again told the media, how, hey, we're dealing with a

lot of guys who haven't coached together. And Mike Nolan is saying the same thing you do. We're dealing with guys who have a coach together. I'm sorry. You know, Ron Rivera is dealing with guys he hasn't coached with in Washington. He's doing okay. Joe Judge never worked with Jason Garrett before. Look at what they're doing. Heck, he even fired Mark Colombo and they're sitting here getting better. They're running the football very well. Cleveland, you know you

had it, yeah, Stefanski, first time head coach. So I'm hearing these excuses, and I'm sorry the fans should not buy these excuses. That they just shouldn't because there's other people who dealt with the pandemic in the same way. What you're telling us is that you did a poor job handling the pandemic. Jerry's the one out here raising his hand saying I wish we'd have done things differently

on defense. But then I come back and say, why is Jerry taking the fall here as a general manager when you brought in a head coach who said he had a whole program ready to go, he spent all this time he had it down. I'm back next year. Yeah, but but you know he trying to come back. Mike Nolan's not coming back. He's not buried. No, I don't know, no, no,

I don't know what happened gonna happen. It sounds like it newly, all the sounds we get it sounds it sounds like like this excuse is being made for Nolan to be back next year. These are the excuses and the sounds that I'm hearing telling you. Once they mess with Jerry's money, no Sunday in that football game, Mike Nolan's not coming back. You're not coming back. I mean when when I don't know, you guys played the NFL.

I didn't play. But I'm just sitting here on that that fourth or two Lamar Jackson touchdown, Like, why why have you putting twenty three up here? The safety in the linebacker spot. Here's the team that's gonna run the football? Been running the football? Can you put three linebackers just simple stuff and you're running nickel defense and they just running down your throat, bludgeing and you, I mean you look at we didn't even talk about Lamar Jackson's line.

This is what Lamar Jackson's line was in the game twelve or seventeen, one hundred two yards, two touchdowns and interception, twelve completions. They got thirty four points. They never made him throw. He's coming off COVID. He doesn't have his number one receiver and it's tight end. Mark Andrews didn't have his number one wide receiver. Willie sneed who's at with Covid. Hey, you don't even try to make this guy throw. You know they're gonna run, and they just

run for two hundred and ninety four yards. If you had two weeks to get ready, No, you don't get to come back. You don't get you don't get to blame COVID, don't get to do it. It's not gonna happen, not to our defense. I think me and Church said this at the beginning of the year. You do not learn how to stop the run once the season starts, all right, once you begin the season of your team, who's not able to stop the run? That goes on

the entire season. So they I'm sure they sure, I think hardest to stop the run, and they did as much as they could. But this is a team that we are You can't do it, Church, if you if you can name the team that you've been on who've been sucky? Is stopping the run at the beginning of the year and at the end of the year you've been like, you know what we became? Ain't me better? Run stopping team? Let me know for middle for middle school to high schools college. Let me know you Church.

If it's fourth and two and they tell you to line up next to LV, what would you think? I would think, you know what, as long as I want to outside, I'm straight. But I'm gonna tell you what Mike Mike Nolan was thinking. He was he's gonna he's gonna go into these meetings. He's gonna say, look, man, I got these boys lined up in the right position. They just didn't read their keys and they didn't execute

the game plan. Like like if if vander esh would have basically read his keys, he would have been writing in the middle one on one tackle with Lamar Jackson. But he didn't read his keys. He was way over there, over in Whuville, over there. I don't know where he was doing by Lamar Jackson was running up the middle of the field for a touchdown and in the other stance when I think it was number eighty ran a special across the field. Um Darian Thompson should have been

writing a position to take him across the field. Everything would have been locked up, but it was. It was just a brain part, and he ended up letting the guy Scott free and ended up getting a touchdown off of that. So I don't know. I mean, it could work both ways. I mean, but that's why I say it's sixty forty on the players, because I mean, these guys are going out there and they're just not executing. But Mike also isn't putting them in the best situation.

So I gotta say it's kind of a fifty fifty sixty forty grab to me. I just don't know, especially when I listened to Stephen Jones earlier this week when he talked about, hey, these are some of the same. These are guys. A bunch of these guys are in this scheme last year, and you know they looked as bad. I don't see how he survives. They're thirty second, they're giving up more points than the Jets. They are on pace to set franchise records that are embarrassing. I don't

see Mike Nolan coming back. He can't come back. Jerry's gonna have a losing season. There's going to be a scapegoat. They just can't sit up here and say COVID. COVID will save Mike McCarthy, but it will not save his friend Mike Nolan. It will not happen. We've got to take a break when we come back. We do have thoughts on the draft and do you go offense or defense? Found something here that may help Danny McCray a little bit, but we've also got to get predictions for this game.

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have some places three and a half points for this game. Look, the Bengals defense allows five yards per carry. They're thirtieth in the league. Checking out Ezekiel Elliott today, he was he is questionable for the game. Okay, he's questionable for the game. Worked with resistance bands. Zeke does not have a rushing touchdown since Dak Prescott left the Cowboys cam irving tackle out for the game. Donovan Wilson, the safety is he was limited in practice today. He's questionable. Tyler

be Honest apparently can return from iru. Cheeto Woozy is gonna be out with COVID. So gentlemen, if you're the Cowboys, if you got Zeke, he's questionable running run run, run, run running. And then on the other side for Cincinnati, their quarterback Brandon Allen, he got dinged up a little bit. But if you can find a way to throw the ball down the field, throw the ball down the field.

Because Anthony Brown's also questionable for this game here, so they may not have Cheeto, may not have Brown, may not have um No, Donovan Wilson, I mean, you know, since and can find a way to throw it hit on a couple of big plays, that's where you go and if you the Cowboys trying to run the football, gentleman, it's prediction. Yeah. Look and look go ahead church Well for the prediction wise. Prediction wise, I'm a you know, look, I ain't back on the cool D, but I ain't

going with the Cowboys on this one. I ain't going with especially. No, I ain't on the cool A. I'm just I'm just betting smart with this one because look, man, the Bengals, they might be down to their third string quarterback, and even their second string quarterback, Brandon Island, who I was with down in Jacksonville. He's a scrub man. I'm gonna put it like that. He's just he doesn't have an arm stream and he's not very accurate with the ball. So look, I'm gonna go like this, man, I know

they got talent out there on the wide receivers. Yeah, I said it needs a scrub. Look, I'm gonna say it like this, man. I know they got talent out there at receiver. They got te Higgins, they got Boy, they got aj Green. But the thing about a receiver, I mean their dependent position. They got to get somebody to give them the ball out there. And if you're going out there with Brandon Island or your third string quarterback, You're not gonna You're not gonna do much. You're just

gonna be wasting talent out there. So I feel like if this Cowboys team can do something they haven't done all year and just play average to okay run defense that's don't even just average run defens not even good, not even great, just average run defense, I feel like we have a better chance in this game than the Cincinnati Bengals, and I feel like we should get a w But hey, the Cowboys don't let me down in the past before, so I wouldn't be surprised if Cincinnati

pool this one album. Give me a score? What you got? Do we get a score? Oh? It's uh. I'm gonna go ahead and say twenty seven fourteen Cowboys. M Okay, all right, okay, Church, this this will be one time where I'm not I'm not listening to you and following off the kool aid and all that stuff. I'm picking straight off my mind and what I've seen on the football field from the Dallas Cowboys and for the Cincinnati Bengals.

So I'm going to go with the Bengals, I mean, with the eight I'm sorry twenty eight, twenty eight to twenty four. I do not think we'll be able to stop the run. I do think that Brandon Allen will come out here and be able to get some yards and possibly throw a couple of touchdowns on us. But I think that Andy Dalton returning to Cincinnati gives him a little bit more motivation to get some things done out there. I think Amari Cooper finally has a good

game when it doesn't really mean much. I'm not sure if Ze could be out there, but whoever is. I think we'll be able to get some big runs and get about one hundred and twenty yards on the ground, So I think that's the way the game goes. Our defense doesn't really play well, but if they make enough stops for us to get a win out there in Cincinnati, so that's my pick. Mickey Spagnola picked the Cowboys to lose.

He went twenty three twenty Cincinnati. Mickey's been on this thing of hey, I'm not going to pick the Cowboys until they win two games in a run. Not a bad strategy. Not a bad strategy, and he said this earlier in the year, and Vegas likes the Cowboys to win this game. And I'm thinking a twenty three twenty game as well. Checking out my our analysis and their breakdown of the game, and they've got it basically the

same way twenty two to nineteen. I'll just round up one and I will say the Cowboys win this game. Let's see if Mike McCarthy can get guys to finish, not their effort, Okay said it's not about effort, it's about fish. So let's see if Mike McCarthy and the coaching staff can get guys to finish this week. If you can't win this football game, you've got a world or hurt. These coaches are really you're running out of excuses. Okay, you're running out of excuses, and one of the main

excuses is, oh, we don't know each other. Okay, I personally won't buy it because I remember Bill Parcells when he came here to the Cowboys, and Bill Parcells didn't know a lot of these guys. He never worked with Sean Payton, he never worked in Mike Zimmer. They had Quincy Carter as a quarterback, went to the the playoffs one ten games, So you can do it. Bill Active spoke about having to coach the coaches. His first two years with the Cowboys, he talked about it. He understood this

was a part of the job. So when I hear Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan using this excuses, I'm like, fellas, I don't know if this work year was that? What year was that? Nowise still got here? I want to say, oh four, because it's twenty twenty now, all right, So we got we got a lot of technical technological advances. You know, where you can do zoom and you can do a whole bunch of stuff from home and get some stuff taught up out there, way more than what

they add in two thousand and four. So that excuse that they use it, you know, if they can get it done in two thousand and four, you can get it done in twenty twenty. But Mike had he had the bar. And remember he was at the barn, he lady. He was back in the lab like doctor Dre. He was putting it all together. Okay, remember that he was coming out knew and improved. Hey, I guess the album flopped. He was in the lab in the album. He goes it flopped, all right, because if we lose this game

to Cincinnati. I mean, all hell's gonna break loose. I mean, look, they they're out Joe Mixon, they're out Joe Burrow. They just lost their best offensive lineman in Jonah Williams. I mean, it's just a train wreck. And if we lose this game, he's going to have a big game. Yes, he's going to have a big game. Um. And my question to you about the excuses? All right, listen, listen, we all expect everything to be perfect next season and by time

OTA's come, everybody to be free and clean. So what happens if things get pushed back and somehow, some way we still don't have the same type of offseason that we normally have. The coaches aren't able to work together as much as they are, the players aren't there as much. You know, you have to do some more things virtual because I mean you gotta look at are you gonna force people to take vaccines or not? How many players

gonna be there, how many coaches? All this stuff. So let's say you go in to the same type of situation that you are again, do you get to use the same excuse? Oh no, I don't think that was an excuse to begin with because I mean, it ain't like it was an uneven playing field. I mean, everybody had the same the same schedule going into the season, So I don't see it as being another excuse This year coming up as well, Danny, I love that you use this and I go back and it was interesting.

I was reading Urban Meyer's book that he produced after they won the national championship, and he talked about when he got to Ohio State what he needed to change in the program. He said, it was too much BCD blame, complain and defend. He said, you got to get that out of your program. And when you listen to Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan and Jerry and Steven when they talk about all this COVID, so it is a bunch

of blame, complain and defend, you're not getting it done. Meanwhile, other people who were in the exact same situation as you, Cleveland, Washington, they're thriving and they're doing all right. Okay, They're they're doing a okay and Joe Judge with the Giants, I mean, think about it. We all said this division is between Philadelphia and Dallas. Everybody said it was a two team raise the two teams that we all thought we're in a race, are in a race for the bottom. That's

how bad this thing is. That's how bad it is. And the other two are on top. Yeah, this is bad. So no the BCD here that you don't get to use it again. You don't get to use it again. I'm sorry, it's personally, I just don't even think you can get to use it. And you think you compare us to all those other teams that you just named, In my opinion, we have we had an advantage over them because we are one of the teams, the few teams in the league who has a true bubble atmosphere.

We have the hotel connected to Ford Center to where everything is close to each other, and versus all these other teams where they have to do stuff a little different. So if you look at it, we had a little bit more of an advantage than than say Philly or Washington. Yeah, and look, we say all this, and I go back to what Church said, this is the game you can't aforth loose if you lose to Cincinnati. What what will the excuses be? You still have talented players on the

football field. Okay, not as many as you had before. And you're playing a lot of young guys. But Cincinnati's playing a lot of young guys too. Um, they got to win this game. They have to. And if you can't beat Cincinnati and Cincinnatis not a team that's running the ball. Okay, they don't run the ball. Lord knows,

I know. I was a fool who drafted Joe Mixing with his first pick in Fantasy, and I have got picked up Giovanni Bernard, which means I'm not in the fantasy playoffs in my league because my team ain't real good. We can't and you ain't even in the playoffs. Hold on, man, the boy was talking all years about Church. You and you ain't even in the playoffs. Oh, Jim Louis, Oh I won last year. I got it back this year in the consolation round over there, and delusion racking up. Man,

I tell you that don't mean nothing. That trophy back there told me this is going to the next participant Church. I can't believe that. Well, I've then went over there and trying to slide that in there. Yeah, I'm not in the playoffs. Oh no, I ain't left that one, right, I ain't gonna let that one right, man, after you didn't grilled me so much about my team. Oh no, man, you ain't even in the playoffs. Church, Church, Church. He couldn't wait, he couldn't wait. My name is on there

twice as a champion, Church. I've climbed to the mount to the top Church twice, two times, two times. Where you at now though, you at the bottom of the mouth, So you go ahead and get that trum back. I'll tell you where. I'll tell you where I'm at. You don't know where I'm at right now. Oh I'm in the playoffs, playboy. I'm in there. I'm getting me trophy, man, all right, So I'm just let all know where I'm at now. You got, first of all the Church. You

at my league, so you ain't getting no trophy. And newly, hold on before you before you take that before you take that route. Remember every time I say the LAGU was the raiding champions, you give me a hard time, right, So I don't want to hear you're talking that same stuff that I said talking about I clowd the top of the mountain. So I'm still I want to hit that. You're right, You're right. I like just like Lsu I celebrated way too much, celebrated the title way too I

didn't get back. I needed. I needed to have the Alabama approach and throw it away and that's what I needed to do. So, yes, it was man yourself in so much time on the golf course. Church, you ain't doing fantasy right, But I can't believe this. Then he try to slip that in there. Oh yeah, ain't in the playoffs? It is. We just count this yourself imposed bowld man, all right, this is your self imposed bowl. Well.

I also wanted to say that I I too, was working with the new staff this year, so we kind of didn't know each other. Analytics department. We had a couple things go wrong. Our second last by one point. So so yeah, it's a couple of operations we've got to get fixed. Um, you know, like Jalen says, we can be better. We can be better, and I just have to bring my after each week and like like Exavie, what's it you can't expect You can't expect me to

be good every year Church? I can't. I can't. You know, it's hard every week. It's hard to bring it every week. Churchis hard to meet every week. So the shots on this show, man and disrespect on this show. So you know, unlike unlike the president, unlike the president, I will concede and I will give that. I will give the title way. I'm not gonna go and have Cord say that I was. You know, I cheated these last two weeks, especially when I lost my one point. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. They do stack corrections. We want to hear that it's accurate. They do corrections. We know. You just make sure you pay for posters on that trophy. Yeah, what's what when you send it back? You see behind me, I've got about I got about another. I got about another three weeks left with it, and then I gotta go drop it off. Yeah, but h hol time man, hugging holding tight hold time. You might not see it again. Let's take a break. Can we take a break out,

Le's take a break. Yeah, you know, I take a break. Let's get back. And they're talking about you know, it's not about me, It's not about me. It's about the Cowboys. Talking about the draft. Next. Okay, gentlemen, draft is it? Defense is an offense? Let's get into it next, right, here on the players Los Brock. You about Hotels dot com or Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio's game day. You know what that means. First, Bob prep Steak Pepper running,

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by Hotels dot com. Make sure you tell a friend about subscribe give us five star reviews. Barry Church Danny mccraig, former Dallas Cowboys safeties join me in our last segment. Let's get into the draft talk, because this game between

the Bengals and the Cowboys is about draft position. Right now, the Bengals and third Cowboys of four Cowboys are looking like they are going to have themselves a top five picks games against Cincinnati, San Francisco, Philadelphia, and the Giants to close out the season, the final four games of the year. All right, Danny, you were talking about offense in the first round of Church and I were talking

about defense in the first round. Here if the Cowboys stay at four, okay, are you still about the office? Are you still about a left tackle that see listen. That all depends. So we ended our conversation yesterday about saying that if you if you release Smith, you actually save about five million dollars because you don't have to pay them the fourteen and it's about I think it's like eight million dollars in a dead cap, so you end up saving five. It all depends on what you

do with T Smith. Me. I will move on, get me a new left tackle. You already got your new right tackle. Sure up the offensive line, and get back to the way you were. You were winning games and going into those playoff runs by using the offensive line and dominating. So I was stinking with offense. I think that's that's the way we should go in and then follow up with defense in those later rounds. Okay, So I'm just gonna sell the tackle. I don't know if

you're familiar with them. Pine Suel, offensive tackle for Oregon, won the Outland Trophy as a sophomore last year. Dane Brugler of The Athletic I respect Dane a lot um. Dane hasn't going number three. They're talking about this gentleman could be one of the top offensive tackles to come in the out of the draft in ten years. So if they're able to get to three mccreig, you tell me this is the guy to go get. If if if you're going to move on from Tyres Smith, if

you're not moving on, then absolutely not. You gotta go defense. But if you if you're gonna make the make the change and say, look, we need somebody that's reliable and somebody that we're gonna be on depend on for sixteen games out of the season, and you move on from T. Smith, Yes, I'm going I'm gonna tackle. I'm sharing up my offensive line. That that is a huge question mark. You've got so much moral defense to worry about that it might be hard,

you might take years for you to fix. But right now you can fix the officsive line and get this office. You can get this offensive offensive line roll right. Another another question another follower. If Penney's not there where he's gonna force it because he's I've rated this. He said, no, listen, look, listen, what will McClaren. I've got to do that, do that scouting report. I haven't done the scouting of officsive line.

If you see a guy that's there, that's there, that's worth the pick as offensive lineman, and you have to choose between that and defensive line. I'm going offense line. Okay, all right, I think you're making a mistake about to Church. I think that's wrong. Yeah, I think he's wrong as well. But the only way, the only way I would go offense is if we were somehow, some way able to

creep into that top two. And if we were able to creep into that top two, I would leverage it against Dak Prescott and say, look, if you all want to sign where we got, we're wrong after one of these two quarterbacks. And that's the only way I would go offense is, like I said, if some way we were able to creep in that top two and some way we're able to get Lawrence or Field one or two, and I would use it as leverage against Dak Prescott. But other than that, everything remains the same. We stick

where we're at. I'm going defense. I'm going defense from picks one all the way to picks five. I mean, look, our defense right now is atrocious. Now. I don't know if it's scheme, I don't know if it's players, if it's a mix of boat, but this team right now, defensively is straight trash. So we gotta do whatever we can to get our defense better, and I think that starts with the defensive line. I think we go in there and get a defensive tackle high and early. I

think we do something at each level of defense. I think we do something that linebacker, and I think we do something in the secondary, especially in the secondary scene, as though we have so many free agents available out there. So I gotta go defense from at least one to five. If we're not in those top two two, Church, can I put this towards you, all right? And I'm just going off Dame Bruegler's list of his initial mock draft. He's got quarterbacks going one and two, but Justin Fields

is not at all there. He's got he's got Trevor Lawrence number one. He's got the by U quarterback. Number two, he's got the offensive tackle, he's got the offensive tackle, Piney Swell. Three, he's got Caleb Farley, the corner from Virginia Tech. Number four to the Cowboys got Patrick's retain number five. Justin Fields doesn't come in until pick number six.

So if you're the Cowboys, Church, if you're the Cowboys and this thing comes to where they don't have Fields in the top three and you're sitting at four, would you be willing to move out at four if somebody wants to come get justin fields and you fall back? Yeah? Or do you take fields for yourself? Or do you or do you take fields for yourself? Yeah? See, I'm more I'm more going on the other route. I would go take fields for myself. Um, and I say, look back.

I mean, I tried to give you what you know. I tried to give you what we thought was fair, and you didn't want that. So you know, I'm going in a different direction. I would leverage that against Dak and I would go fields. I mean, I think they're both similar players and as far as their ability to run and throw on the run, and that seemed to be both you know, extreme leaders. I mean I know Dak as a leader, but it seems that is that

same type of characteristic. So if it was me, if I was ahead of this and I was making all those money as at GM, I would definitely, uh, I would go with Fields. I would go with ye and Prescott walk man, You're you're a bad dad. You're a bad day. Everything we just talked about about defense to go get to go get Justin fields? So my so my office. I would keep keep Tyren Smith. I would keep Tyron Smith in there. I wouldn't get rid of Tyren Smith. We would have Zach Martin coming back. We

got Lel Collins coming back. So I'll think our offensive line will be nearly as bad as it was this year. And I go and get I go against Justin Field, and I would use that money that I was gonna spend on that to go get some free agents on defense. Tell you both wrong, Okay, both of you are just absolutely mad. I cannot what I'm hearing. I literally can't

believe what I'm here. Okay, here's a team that's in dire need of a defensive fix, and you guys are still sitting around here thinking about offense when you can go get and use I just told you I would take that money. I take that money to go get a free agent, approving defensive free agent, not somebody in the draft like who, Yeah, I don't know who who. I mean, there's got to be some top free agent.

Like I said, I haven't done in the scouting report on the free agents yet, but there's got to be some top guys out there that we can get bringing Anthony David, the Anthony Davis and defense on Lebron and it's gonna fix you. I mean, that's that's not all I said. We need a superstar, but at least a couple of core people that good of all players, I

think they can make our defensive churches. Know how does this make sense that you dumping Dak and you dump and tire okay, okay, and in the defense not getting NOI how does that make sense? How this defense will get fixed? All right? Listen, We've paid one hundred million dollars to a defensive end. We drafted a cornerback in the second round. We paid a linebacker. We drafted a linebacker in the first round. We just let go of the first round defensive lining. We tried to Tristan Hill

in the second round. We've tried. All right. If I'm taking my chance, I'm going with with offensive line. All these guys are hot draft picks on the line. Now you talking about listen, we need more, We need more. He's the players we need more. We need more. We got all these first round picks, second round picks. Dudes, we needn't paid one hundred million dollars, seventy million dollars. We need more. Come on, man, and don't make sense.

How much more do you need? You had your McCoy, it didn't work out because the injury you can you can get you a player on the inter can get you a player you didn't have. You didn't have young Buck jail from Chris Beam helped me this, Chris, I mean, I let me help me. I'm saying that's fine, But I mean Sue's still out here playing, playing at the top level. He's still making plays. I think that Joe McCoy would have would have made a difference. He just

got injured. But I'm still not picking a defensive lineman over offensive lineman. I'm just not doing especially about in the first round. Find a way to get you one of the second third. So if you go watch Cleveland but Love for three hundred again and watch the Ravens with two ninety four, Okay, okay, But according to y'all, all we got to do is get rid of Mike Nolan and these players will get better. No, so like so, so if we get rid of Mike Dolan, the players

get better. This you know, we get some guys in free agent saying we're good, right, I mean, I'm I'm hitting the y'all all on that level. I'm all on that level. Church, I'm still on that. I'm still on that. I think a lot of this has to do with Mike Nolan. I think you can go get you some defensive lineman in free agency, Like you said, you find a way to move around some money and go get

you a defensive tackle. Let me take whatever defensive tackle, whatever defensive tackle that you pick in the first round. He ain't stopped it Cleveland for running for three hundred yards. I can guarantee you that. I can guarantee you that no matter who you plug in there, they still running for three hundred on us, save all on the defensive line. Jo I gave you all the solution. Come on, if we we we get that que Hey, we say Prescott,

it's been real. It's been real, Prescott. We'll use that brand to get some money on defense, and we get rid of Mike Nolan. I mean that we won't see. I'm not on the Mike know anything. I think I think the I think the players are more to blame. But according to y'all, we get rid of Mike Nolan, it's gonna be an upgrade on the defense. One we won't not just not just Mike Nolan, the defensive back

coaches too, the defensive back coaches too. They got they got to get up out of him because they they they have They have stuck up to joint just as much as Mike Mike Nolan has. But they are responsible for what the play that these guys are putting out

there on the field. For the most part, in my opinion, now the players here right, they're not hustling, they're not into the record is horrible all that, But I think that they can get I think they can play better if they got a better coach, you know, giving them direction. Knew he got a superman, a defensive lineman that he thinks gonna come here and just all of a sudden save us from getting ran through about three hundred yards. We got live backers out of gaps. We got live

backers out of gaps. Safety is not feeling. We got quarterbacks on crack, no crack replacing giving up fifteen yards, and the d lineman is the one who's gonna save us from getting ranned down by three hundred. You don't I don't think something. I don't think I don't think that's somewhere we got. We have to start somewhere. But but you know, you guys are making offensive pieces. So so if I'm listening to you guys, you're gonna go

into that Mike McCarthy thought process. We're just gonna put up thirty a game and we're just gonna outscore people. Our defensive gonna give U supports. We just go outscore people. Uh no, no, no, no, no, no no, it ain't gonna work that way. Then it'll just be twenty nineteen if we go that way, Like I said, I want to go for like, the only way I'm saying we go offense in the first round is if we can

get one of them top quarterbacks. If not, I think we should go deepense the whole way, or it'll just be like twenty nineteen when we're putting up all those empty calories and all those yards but taking losses because we couldn't stop anything. So church defense all the way, Church church. Okay, do you think Jerry Jones Chris Beam is Jerry seventy six or seventy seven years old, right man?

Because I don't see the seventy six year old owner wanting you start all over with a quarterback who has to have the learning curve that most quarterbacks as rookies have to have, and there's no guarantee. And oh, by the way, Ohio State, he's seventy eight. Oh oh, oh, no, they ain't happening. Church ain't had a Church seven eight years old. He ain't waiting. Church not happened. And I'm not I'm not with you on this season. Church. Listen

twenty nineteen. Listen with what Newis just said. If Mike McCarthy can really get an offense, they can go out there and dominate the offense and score thirty points, it'll looked totally different than twenty nineteen. Twenty nineteen issue was we all said Dak was getting those trash yards because we could not find a way to start offense enough, and we would get down by twenty one and then we would have to crawl back into the game in

the second half. If you get a potent offense that's able to score those points consistently from first half, from first quarter to full quarter, and then your defense is just okay, I think you're all right. Church. You was on one of those teams the defense was okay, and the and the ball control on the offense was was magnificent. And you guys went out there and called turnovers because the offense, the other offense had to come out there

and throw the ball to try to catch up. So I'll taking care of the offense and trying to work that same philosophy that you guys did. We don't need no stars out there on defense. We need offense to score, control the clock, and get some playmakers on defense. That's what we need. Defensive line. They're not saving us in the first one. You get a definitely, Yeah, we need we need playmakers. We need playmakers, we need we need playmakers, but we don't need we don't need a number five

pick in defensive tackle. I haven't even seen one to see one worth in this player right now. I know this. Derek Eagleton will not have either you two on the Draft Show anytime soon here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Just that's it. I can't take anymore. That it for Friday Players Lounge. We'll be back on Monday to talk about this Draft Bowl game between the Bengals and the Cowboys. We all have picked the Cowboys to win this football game.

Let's see if We're correct on Monday for Barry Church, Danny mccraig, and producer Chrispiamo Newistrug saying thank you for your time. This has been the Players Large Party, Hotels dot com or Dallas Cowys dot com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club m