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They can start signing free agents today. You can basically start your little backdoor conversations with pay and uh the NFL, I mean here it is March Madness, but the NFL, the blue pushed March maddens. We want some spotlight here, Tom Brady, I want some spotlight here. He's basketball guys. Gonna have to wait a little bit. But by the way, Uh, the NCAA Tournament isn't for work this weekend. How about TCU? Uh? Well,

TCU is the host, but they're having it at Dicky's Arena. Okay, Second Bears, so yes, Baylor, Baylor there, Baylor number one seed. They'll be there. North Carolina tar Hill's gonna be there. Hubert Davis from Dallas Maverick. He's the head coach of the Carolina tar Hill. So um, yeah, yeah, so there any that you know how Jerry rold usually does, like the Sweet sixteen, there's none of they an't getting it this year. No no no, no, no, no, no spot. This

is all dickies. So so yeah, what's see to penberget Um? You know what? We are a four seed and we won our tournament game of Division two. All right, the John Toledo, I think Toledo's in it, so so so, I think Toledo's in it. Man. We won our conference. We won conference. Carolina's crews, you got any more? We got any more jokes? SHOT's been fired early early on the show Man, right on down. That's right. The Braves win, Son, Braves win. Be flagger. We're moving on in the tournament. Okay,

let us dive into many Dallas Cowboys topics. He is Barry Church to Toledo Rocket joining us filling in for Danny McCrae. Is Anthony Spencer for a first round draft pick with the Dallas Cowboys from Purdue boiler Maker. Yes, yes, yes, if your basketball team can finally make the Final four, winning championship, man, we'll see, man, they got they got some players out there. We'll see what they can do in the tournament. All right, I'm new, I'm new. He scruggs,

just merely new. He scrugs. Here. These gentlemen here, they're the players. So they're gonna bring you their expertise here for an hour. And we got side show Chris being in the background ready to slob jokes. Best producer Joe by the way, I lied. Uh, it's all good. Football, Rockers, rockers, you guys, you damn't see me. It's all good. Okay, what lots to get to? Why don't we just start with the wide receivers. Okay, Amari Cooper. Amari Cooper is

going to be traded. Will not happen till later this week officially, but he's going to Cleveland. So it's for a fifth round pick. The Browns and the Cowboys swap six round picks. Here, Coop do twenty million dollars. Cowboys didn't want to pay it. They saved sixteen million dollars under the cap. So gentleman thumbs upper thumbs down. I'm make it. That's sim before you thumbs upper thumbs down on this trade them to start with you, Barry Church

for me with the Cowboys situation. I'm gonna say it's a tough one for me because you know, you let Cooper go in To me, I thought he was a number one receiver. I mean, he didn't get a lot of chances last year, and for the most part last year, he didn't show that he was a number one. But I still believe he has number one left in the tank, and for them to trade that away, they must have a lot, a lot of confidence in the receivers they

have left on the roster. I mean, you know, we said we heard Gallup might be or should be signing

that extension. Hopefully it'll get said Wilson back. But to me, that hurts the pass game overall because even though Cooper, he didn't put up crazy, ridiculous numbers that guarante that warranted that twenty million dollars deal, but he opened things up for other people, you know, And I feel like a lot of the attention now is gonna go towards Ceedee Lamb, go towards Michael Gallut, go towards said Wilson. And I don't know if they're for that type of hunt,

that type of pressure on them. I mean, being a number one receiver. It's it's it's a tough it's a tough duty. So I think this might be a thumbs down for the Dallas Cowboys, but certainly a thumbs up for the Cleveland Browns. I mean, they're getting I think, a very very solid receiver that has a lot left in the tank. You put him in there with that great running game that they have in Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. You put him in there with Baker Mayfield,

and they got a good offensive line. So I think it's a thumbs up for Cleveland, but for Dallas, I'm gonna go thumbs down because I did not want to see a Mark Cooper go. But hey, at the end of the day, it's a business and you gotta make other decisions. Yeah, I feel like the same way he brought a lot of double teams to his side, he had a lot of brought a lot of attention to his side, so it opened up the field for the

other wide receivers to make plays. So with that being gone, is gonna put a lot of pressure on those young guys to be able to perform. And when you get out there and you're making plays, when you got the other guy on the other side. But when that when you get that pressure, that ball is like you got that all that pressure to make those plays and to carry the team, it's a it's a whole other monster.

So the time will tell it will either make make divings out of the other receivers or he's gonna bust the pipe. So we'll see here, we'll see twenty million dollars. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of bread, a lot of bread. And when you say a lot of bread, let me break it down into more terms. Two for a million dollars a game? Yeah, is he bringing you a million dollars a game in production? See, that's the only thing I was That's the thing that I'm like, Okay, it's kind of I because he wasn't

I'll put it like that. He was not giving you twenty million dollars worth of game out there. And a lot of that had to do with the with the scheme as well. I mean, he wasn't getting a lot of looks or a lot of targets as well. So I can't put it all on a Mark Cooper for not being productive because there was a lot of games where he might have only got you know, three targets, two targets here and there, so I can't put it

all on his plate. But at the end of the day, you are correct newly in my opinion, he wasn't putting that that twenty million dollars worth a game on the football field. So the Cowboys had to make a decision. One point three million a game my back, Remember he missed two games. Is a COVID, he wouldn't get that shot. So so yeah, one point three milk. That's And when it comes down to it, Cowboys always really make good business decisions, and that's really what this is. I feel

like it's a business decision. And was he bringing that revenue to each one of the games? Probably not, But the other things that like the double teams opened up the field for the other players, Like you really can't see that happening in the game, Like he that's not making a play. So it's those things that you don't see that he was really bringing. And is that worth one point three a million dollars a game? Yeah, so I got to decide, Like it's tough because did you

look at it now? Okay, you know teams were starting towards the end of the year, they were starting to play that kind of umbrella covers where they had two high safeties back deep and they were like, look that you're gonna have to check it down or make accurate throws through our zone to be able to beat us. And we weren't able to do that. They weren't able to do that. So that's a tough one. Do you put it more on his lack of production? Do you put it more on the scheme and Kella Moore scheme

or the actual player kellamore scheme? Kellamore? I mean, how many times were we watching Sean McVay And I was there at the Super Bowl. So it was just amazing in that fourth quarter because Cooper Cooper Cup made so many players, Ye come around on the tweet coming on across. I mean, it was all right. So that whole final, that whole final fourth quarter was about Stafford the Cooper Cup. That was it. So we've seen an offensive coordinator scheme

scheme him up. Yeah, Okay, we've seen DeAndre Hopkins, We've seen DeVante Adams. I mean, we just see dudes out here who are getting back. When Antonio Brown was, we've been Roethlisberger. You knew what was coming. Good luck stopping it. Calvin Johnson when he was with Matt Stafford. I mean, there are ways, and we've seen number one guys get used, even Michael Thomas when he had Drew Brees at their

new work. So for one point three million dollars, if you if if your offensive coordinator is not going to figure out a way to scheme him up, then I don't think you're doing justice to the receiver or doing justice to this cheam. Now I feel bad for him, our Cooper, because Baker Mayfield's not that guy. He's going to Cleveland, I mean Dallas, Cleveland, you know, Baker Dak.

I mean, it's just you're outside in the conditions. If I'm Mard, You're from Florida, went to Alabama, started your cares with the Raiders in California, go to Texas, and now they're gonna send you up here to Cleveland to catch passes from a dude. They don't even want to give him multi year contract to number one overall pick. They're like, yeah, we don't know if Field to pick

up that option. And so unless they go bring in Deshaun Watson in a trade in good luck trying to get Deshaun Watson to you and their calls are going out three first round here, like I'm like man Ian the crisis guy. And of course the crazy thing is Cleveland passed on Deshaun Watson twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how smarter that? So I feel bad. I feel bad for a Mark Cooper. I still think he's a good player.

I hate the fact that he's leaving. Yeah, but one point three million dollars in the financial that's that's a lot of money and is and as a number one receiver you kind of love guys like this in your locker room. That he wasn't really getting a lot of targets. He wasn't getting all that, but you rarely heard anything from him. I mean we saw the two maybe the two instances where he was like, yeah, if I got the ball more, I can help this team out. But it wasn't like a you know how how how my

boy there? It wasn't go ahead ahead, say different. I had a different type of passion. So you can't you really can't brain that type of like leadership. It was really what it is, leadership to the to the locker room. Like he's been through it, He's been that one, number one receiver. Like he's been through a lot of different games. He's seen a lot of different coverages how people are going to cover him. So he brought a different to the to the Cowboys that they don't have. Now. Yeah,

I mean, and it's gonna it's gonna come. We'll see if it shows through or if if it won't. Yeah, that's true, all right, so um Amari Cooper on his way to Cleveland. Michael Gallup stays, he was coming up on free agency, had that horrible ACL tear January second when he went up for a touchdown catch and he made it against the Arizona Cardinals. Five years sixty two

point five million dollars is what's being reported. He missed seven games due to a calf injury last year that Tampa Bay game had that then missed the next seven games, played an eight last year. In four seasons with the Cowboys, one hundred ninety three catches for two thousand, nine hundred ninety two yards fifteen touchdowns, had a one thousand yards season in twenty twenty twenty seven million isn't guaranteed money, ten point ten million dollars signing bonus, and he had

he had the ACL surgery in February. So anybody looking for Michael Gallup to start week one, I would tell you, don't. Don't look for that would be unrealistic, and that's amass. I think it was. It was smart on his behalf, because like you said, he you know he might not be ready for week one. So if you go to a different team, you don't know that training staff, you don't know that team, you don't know how they work with you during the offseason, how they're gonna bring you

back towards the team. I mean, you gotta, you know, get a whole new leadership value with that team. So I think it was a smart move by him. You know the team, you know the guys in the training room. You know they're gonna get you back as healthy as possible, and they're gonna let you take your time with coming back. So that was definitely a solid move on him, and I think by the Cowboys as well. I mean, I look, first, I looked at that number, I said, whoa five for

sixty two. I'm hold on this guy coming off of ACL. But then when you really looked at the numbers, it boils down like new He said to really kind of a two year, twenty seven guaranteed overall, very team friendly. I think overall the whole thing is like twelve and a half a year, which I thought he was going to get closer to sixteen a year. So I think it's a very team friendly deal. If he ends up coming back healthy and blowing up and you know, playing out the whole five years, I think it'd be a

great value for the squad. So I think they you know, they both worked with each other on this one, So I think it's a good deal overall. But to me, it's all gonna boil down to whether or not Ceedee Lamb can be that guy, because I honestly don't think Michael Gallup is is a number one. I think he's a great number two, kind of a one beat situation. But I think if it's all on him, I don't think this passing attack is going to be as dynamic as it was in the past. So I think this

deal pretty much sums up. If if if Ceedee Lamb can be that guy and Gallup can be a solid number two, I think we have a great pass production. But if it's all on Gallup, I think it's going to be a tough situation. So spend I want to throw it to you coming off ACL, Yeah, I'm my receiver. Yeah. When I was coming off my knee surgery and I played, I came back and I played a year with the Cowboys with the same like I was able to recover and get all that work in with the same training staff.

But then I went to New Orleans and it was a whole different type of training like that, Like it plays an effect on your body, so you have to being with the same training staff and going through the offseason and then being able to have this contract with gives him a little bit more security and comfortability and believe in it itself, like putting that putting that ownership on himself to come back and perform at that high level.

So I really believe that's going to be a good deal for him and for the Cowboys, just because they're giving him a little bit of rope to get better and to become a better player. At the same time, he's got to have that trust in the Cowboys with them signing him back. So we'll see. I mean, I think that he's gonna be back and doing great because

even when the Tories ACL making that catch. You can see the resilience that he had as a player, and even with the injuries that he had this past year with the hurt calv like, that's part of the ACL or not the ACL, but just being in football. Yeah, I mean, just be able to go through those injuries and come back and availability is always the key of this game. So I feel like that's what we'll see, you know. Yeah, So that's um for me. That's the question. Okay,

you signed him for five years, got the ACLU. You hear people say it'll take you a good year to get back to where you were. So now you're talking four years. You know, what are you going to really get out of the deal. So there's a lot of hope. Yes, there's a lot of hope of this deal. Hey, you're hoping he goes back to what he was. You're hoping he could be the number two. They're no guarantees. Yeah, not at all. With that deal being said, do you do you feel like these guys should go get a

wide receiver early in the draft. No, No, Spence with my chom Oh, it's it's hard. It's hard. I mean I don't think so. I think the CD lab and just just had the having the continuity of the people that they have in the locker room right now, like they can't. You can't keep bringing in new and and

hoping that yeah, I mean, it's all over again. So you just got to kind of build with what you have and people that are in the even the tight end that they just signed to the franchise deal Shultz Sholtz him him coming back and having that opportunity, I feel like that's gonna be huge for the passing game as well. Let me just ask you guys, give me your top three wide receivers in the game right now. Just just think, you know, just just in your mind, you know, it just comes to your mind right now.

We just mentioned Cooper Cup. I would I would go Cooper Cup, Devontae Adams, Stefan Diggs. Okay, that's what I will go. Okay, I like Cooper Cup a lot. Uh, definitely Devontae Adams. Okay, and I'm not I'm not sure. That's fine, that's fine, that's fine, Okay. Just here's here's the exercisement. Not one of those guys the first round pick. Cooper Cup's the third round pick. Adams and Diggs are second round picks. The Packers have made a living not

taking guys in the first round. They just won't do it. And so I bring that up to say, look, you can find these guys in later rounds. Um, you know Chris Scotlan's not a first round pick, while Mike Evans is. Um, Michael Thomas had those great ears in New Orleands, He's not a He's not a number one guy. So, um, you can get those guys you've You've invested in cde Lamb. He's still got a rookie deal here. You just paid gallop.

I think you could. To me, if I'm the Cowboys, either dress your front seven on defense or you address your offensive line in the first round. Here, you know your center is still too light, your left guards probably

leaving in free agency. Um, Layton vander esh is going to be on the move, I believe, and so someone next to Michael Parsons, depending on what happens with Randy Gregory and whatever you decide to do a tank, Lawrence, you need to go ahead and look at the edge rush and could you ever have too many good defensive linemen up front who can stop the run? Nope? So,

so to me, wide receiver that nah back burner. And also every year, what are we the market's gonna get flooded with So Cooper is signed, you know, Cooper, the deal's gonna go to the He's gonna go to the brows of the trade. And what do we see the Browns telling Jeffers Sandra hey Man, go ahead, look for a trade, go ahead. You know they're going to be

dudes out here. Not that not that I would want this player, but you got Antonio Brown on the podcast about Heye Jerry, come get me Jared Antonio, right, So I mean you can you can go get some veteran plays. You can get some guy, you know. So if if you Gallop's not gonna be ready week one in my opinion, so he's not ready to go, Maybe you bring back Cedric Wilson, who knows, we'll see there. He might impress

hisself albums. But if you got Ceedee Lamb, you add someone else here on a one year deal who can catch some footballs from Dak Prescott in an offense that's put up numbers here. I think they could go and get someone and you know, maybe you spend the second, third round, fourth round round a wide receiver. But I just feel like the Cowboys from a from a defensive standpoint could use another player in front seven. And the offensive line needs to get fixed. Yeah, the offensive line

definitely definitely needs to get fixed. And when you're talking about those receivers later in rounds that you know kind of became, you know, really good receivers, you know, they got some pretty good quarterbacks behind them. I mean, you look at Aaron Rodgers who he made Alan Lazard, and you got Josh Allen making Wilson Gabriel. I think he was at four touchdowns in that playoff game. So they got some great quarterbacks back there to help them out.

The question I got to ask both of y'all is do you think Dak Prescott can be that quarterback that elevates gonna half the fifth round, sixth round receiver being something good you that he like? He said, I feel like he has to be, especially in this league that it is today, Like it's the quarterbacks that really drives the franchise, you know what I mean. And if you want to have a great franchise, you're gonna have to depend on your quarterback to be that player for you.

So he's gonna have to be yeah, yes, and what again, I go across this league. I mean DK mccalf was the first round pick. Tyler Lockey wasn't pick. They played well in Seattle. Keenan Allen, it's not that standing career with the charges. He wasn't a first traffick was No, he wasn't not a first round like all the top ruthiers out there. Tybreek Kill not a first round pick. I mean, look that there's some good players who are, but it's just you can win in this league without them.

You have to have a you know, number one in terms of a wide receiver. It's very true. There's so much of it is about the system, so much about the system and how you're using Terry mclaurina and in Washington, I think he's a really fine receivers. He's another guy who's who's a second round pick. So you can you can go get some dudes. Well, let me rephrase it, then, can we win with this system that we have as an offensive system? You've won, you've won? What are you

going to win? A championship? That's to that and that's the that's the goal that you know, every you know, not just just getting to the first round or getting to the second round. Ain't gonna be ain't gonna cut it here. Thirty two Church, thirty four, you're thirty four. Thank you appreciate. Okay, So for twenty six years there was those thirty four. They haven't won it, they having anything. They're going on twenty six years, Church, But most of

your life, at least get today. They round. They've been in the desert most of your life, searching, searching, searching, flash. That's it. What the Lombardy is. You've seen a couple of mirages here and there. Nothing too. So so when people ask me to do these radio shows and they'll ask me about, you know, the Cowboys championship, I'm like, why, dude, why why do we talk about? How about this? How

about just get to a championship game? That's all, you know, just just get out the divisional round because they haven't been able to do that. I mean, to talk about championships is to me, it's just kind of crazy because they've been so far from it. So the question is not you know, it's truly do you have a championship office? I don't know. I don't know. And clearly the owner put the bulls eye on the head coach get done this year. And that's another of the how you can

you put all this pressure on McCarthy. It didn't take away his number one receiver, you know, but what but what did he do with the number one receiver last year? That's true because he wasn't They didn't let him call the place. But but still still overall, do you feel like Amark Cooper was used properly? How many times did

we do the players show? Okay, okay, okay, So so how do you go in there and beat the table down and say, hey, man, I need to do for one point three million a game, not really using it, you know, not getting up de hoop numbers. You know, you're not Jordan Jefferson in Minnesota. I mean you know. So so you start to look at this and it gets tough. But this is the National Football League, man, you're got you know, he's not the only coach going in the next year that's gonna hate feel it heat,

but do something. That's why if I'm Mike McCarthy, I'm going into this thing. If I'm going down, I'm going down swinging. I'm calling to play. Give me the play call sheet. You know what I need to, I need all that I need all give it to me. I'm not gonna go down for somebody else. You know, you got to. And I feel like that's the hardest part about the Cowboys with Jerry Jones and the family, just

because they are like their business. It's a business. They make money and each year the Cowboys make more money than anybody anybody, and that's there and it comes from the top. Yeah, I mean, that's that's how that's how we're slated. We're here to make the money. Is it's really about to win in the games or is it

about making more money? So when you do it like that, it's like you have to give the give the coaches and the people the power to make those plays, make those decisions, put their ownership on them too, so they can that you can fire them and then get rid of them. And if they're not doing what they need to be doing what I mean. Okay, Now, now I've heard this same thing when I've done interviews across the country. I'll come back into this, Anthony. Jerry Jones gave Mike

McCarthy a heck of a roster last year. You're in a division that was not good that you swept. Okay swept the division. Okay score average forty points against NFC's teams, twenty six points against anybody else. You got a home game, you're a spot against the Niners who walk out with a huge boom box in your building to go take the field. You put your office out on the field. Niners smacked that down to three plays. They go take the football on office and they go right down in

the mouth with a quarterback with a bad thumb. Yeah, you got but fourteen sum odd penalties in the football game played like played and then with two forty two to goal, you gave your quarterback, who he gave all that money to the football with an opportunity to go down the field and win it. He can do it, and then the clock ran out. How much is that Jerry Jones and family, and how much is that Mike McCarthy and his staff. I wouldn't look. I'm not putting

anything on Jerry Jones and the family. I'm just saying it'sh rolls downhill, you know, I mean, it starts from the top. And if your main concern is your main concern, then and if you're getting that done, then you're winning, so it's not really you know, I mean, you have to change what the But you've won. Okay, my thing? You won. Okay, they had a winning team last year and you won the East. But the goal is not to win the East. The goal is not to control

that section. The goal is to be the best team in NFL. Right, yeah, I mean so, and that started with you facing San Francisco, right and the team Okay, McCarthy comes out to about we were nervous. Who now that could be that's on the head coach, penalty on the head coach, quarterback, hand the ball to the to the center, not to the best moments. Those are the players that you're putting out, like who's who's who's drafting the players, who's putting the putting the team together? Where

is the where's the real ownership of the team? Who who? Who runs the team? Okay, great, great point. And I'll say this draft, I don't I don't have any complaints about what the Cowboys do in terms of training. Their drafts are good. When you talk about looking at Pro Bowl players and homegrown Pro Bowl players, I mean, they're one of the best in the league of drafting. Now here's a question I have. I look at the z contract.

You gave ninety million dollars and set them our for a running back, and then you hire the head coach who wants to throw the football boys. That right there, to me doesn't make sense. That's a bad that's a bad allocation of resources and service. You know, what are we doing here? But it's Hill House. It's a house divided, yeah, because because it's like it's you know, it's Kelly Moore's scheming system. But he has a shield in Mike McCarthy in front of them down now taking the bullets. Okay,

So here's here's my theory. Here's my theory on the Kellen more than Okay, Mike McCarthy got turned out by the Jets and the Browns, and you apply for the job here, and you know, the Jones has told you, I'm gonna say, like Keller Moore. They really like Kelly Moore. So what did my mccarths. I was gonna hire Keller more or wherever I went because I like Keller Moore. So you say, what job? Like I said, I'm just

I'm just sitting here to myself. And then the whole offseason the first year to about we need to get run you know, we need to get some run balance here. And so here's McCarthy basically saying, hey, man, stop throwing the ball so much. And then if you listen to McCarthy you could hear at times he was like, can

we run the ball here? Because Kellen Moore like cam City, you get to pass happy here and so there I have a point of the same thing with Wade, Wade and Garrett and it's been what it it's been like stop trying to say it is what it is, you know, I mean like it starts from there to go like, bro, that was so bad. That was so when when when Jason didn't take that job and he got the new deal, you saw the riding on the wall, and now you're seeing the whole point right about, Hey, here's dan Quinn.

Apparently dan quinn contract is really rich that you got to stay and now you got the head coach running around on rich ties and about you know, man, I don't like talking about Sean Payton. So take that point of it is they have created a circus on that end. Why don't he take the reins? That's what I'm saying, Like if if you're a head coach, I'm not going down for someone else's failure to produce. Like if it's me, I gotta go out. Okay, you're you're the offsta cor

Did you come to me with a scheme? Right? I see what you got going on. But I'm gonna call the plays. I'm gonna, you know, dictate how the game flows. But with him, it's just like, yeah, man, you know there's Kelly. If you're gonna call it, all right, he's calling it and he got the little you know, facing over his face or whatever. But to me, if I'm going down, I'm going down swinging with my own play calls and if I feel I'm gonna feel on my own,

not somebody else's failure. And then we all lose it. Dance, man, he gotta take the reins this year. He got to got to he's got to find a way. He's gotta find he gotta find a way to get in there. Yeah, he gotta find a way. That is a very good point right there. You better find find a way and maybe maybe call but you override it. No, we were running on a third dawn right right, you're running on

the Saint No suggestion we're running on third da. It't forced the hand, like if you if you get like if you're gonna tell him like this is what we're gonna do, then you get then you're forcing management to say no, you know, give it back to Kelly. What

you can do? Yeah, yeah, he could do that. When I would talk to Gary Patterson when he was coaching and TCU and he ran the defense, but he would tell his offensive coordinators, Hey, um, I want to run the ball on third down or we're inside the red zone, you know what, we need to take some shots running the ball. So he would tell his coordinators, hey, look, this is what I want. I remember going back into and you guys were little little little puppies back here.

But nineteen ninety two NFC Championship game, San Francisco gets close and Dallas has the ball and instead of just running out the clock, Jimmy Johnson tells because north Turns says, what do you want to do? He says, I want to win a game, And so north Turner throws the slant, hits Alvin Harper. He runs down there for for about sixty seventy yard game and the Cowboys would end up

running the football in Mmy Smith scored the touchdown. They went a super Bowl, so Jimmy decided I want to gamble, but Jimmy had input on what he wanted to do. So so to me, if Mike, if you're not gonna call the plays, be up in there with some heavy suggestions about what it is you want. Don't be nice. Stop being nice because if not, either Sean Payton or Dan Quinn we'll be coaching that team next year, not you. So hey, let's get a break in here. Players. Anthony

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All right, you're the Players Loud. This is a show about the players Barry Church for m Dallas Cowboys safety. You got Anthony Spencer form first round pick up the Dallas Cowboys. I'm NEWI scrugs. All right. We get a lot in ours in the first half, so we got another thirty minutes to go. Here, let us dive into a guy that I've been wanting gone for a bitty No, Greg's are line? Greg the leg? Hook them loud? Greg, Man,

it's six extra points. This year they saved two point two five million dollars, So he's gone the game a three year, seven mill over seven million dollars to be their kicker. No, um, sorry, do you think they'll bring him like coming and then bring him back on the lower Hello? You see that looking at man? The frustrations zerline Gay Cowboys Nation for that year was this is where Mike was. This is where Mike McCarthy need to step in and tell Bone. I know he's your boy,

but I need my job. That's what need to duck. Okay, So I got sharks circling the water right here, man shot painting over here. I got a damn quinn right behind me. I mean, ain't no, no, no, no, your boy ain't no So right now we don't have any specialists. You do you yo, well, you don't have a long sent too. You've got you got you shout out the LP man where he got help come on through, Um, you do have a kicker. And where they signed Chris, they signed Chris Nagar from uh It's it's a r

R n be good in a gard Nagar Please? You had any makes a rap videos in The Cowboy and the boss Man, Fat Man an fat Oh, so that's your field goal kicker? He was. He was a lou Gross Award UM finalist, didn't win it, but he was over smu Let the American and in kicking now and it takes me back to when Dan Bailey was here. Dan Bailey was another guy Oklahoma State. UM. He might have won the Gross Award, but he was definitely a

finalist for it. Um it ended up having a good having having a good career about five years there where he was top. Yeah, he was automatic. Yeah. I remember when uh Kai for Bath came through here. Kai was over at UCLA, another another dominant kicker, and I remember um Dan beat him out and then he went up to Washington and was around for a little bit. So so these guys who were in this gross award of conversation. You know, give him an opportunity and they can kick.

Sometimes it's not the first place they're kicking it maybe the second place. But but overall, I say this to you know what, Zeroline had his time move on older player dealing with injuries here. So maybe Nagar's demand, you know, we'll see, we'll see. But but the opportunity, it's the cowboys man, and go go find somebody. Somebody will kick

for you. And I know people loved to sit up here and say, well, you know on the street for reason that you know, this is different different with kickers like that, Like even with Dan Bailey, he was here for a while, then we let him go and he went somewhere else in minnes So he performed there for a long time. So they lose that little bit of confidence or what. Yeah, it's like a golfer's golfer exactly, Like you can start hooking them, hooking them left. I try to find ya, try to find a way to

get it back. And then both yeah, Bones mentioned the whole golf thing with with com he compared the man it was that week before the playoff game. He's like, yeah, I feel like he's close, he's about to get there. I feel like like And I asked her, I said, you're about to go to a playoff game, and you're saying you think your kickers clah. I mean, what kind of confidence you got in that job's on the line. We think, yeah, like Crosin ready to go. And that's

the biggest thing about football, man. You gotta stay consistent. Like being consistent football is probably the hardest thing but the most important thing. And you gotta have that with in every position, most part. You know. He said that, and then he was like, well, you know what, it's like golf, and you know, and he's like, it's like Tiger Woods. And I said, Tiger Woods, the Hall of Fame, dude looking like Ricky Fowler out here looking like Tiger Woods.

Ricky ain't got no majorsg man, got no majors up in here. And uh yeah, he did make the fifty one yard or in the playoff game. We all forgot about it, but um yeah, but he had so many misses along the way. I go back to think he misses miss Tampa Bay. You lead four points out there in the game, you lose by point. Then the Raider game. He's shooting games where where you needed your guy to do his part, not a hard part, just to do his partners and he could not do that. So Greg's

arline cut Brian Anger the punter. Uh, he's a free agent, probably not bringing him back here. That's a bowler too. You know, I really wish that they could figure out a way to get him back because he was a weapon. I'm talking about flipping fields. Man. He was able to punt it from the twenty and down and on the opposite ten and that you know, that helped the defense out a lot. Yeah, because you know, eventually, like he's like,

our defense was so turned over hungry this year. Eventually, if they got the long drives, offense might make a mistake, and that defense was able to capitalize on the soul. Anger he did a hell of a job this year penning those teams down deep. But like you said, I doubt they'll be able to bring him back man. Yeah. Uh, And you guys play defense, and I think in the league now where everybody wants to go for it. This gives Mike McCarthy an excellent opportunity many times to say,

you know, let's just kick it. We'll kick it because this guy flip the feel. Let's sending our defense out here and make someone. I don't know why you got these coaches now who don't want to make somebody go seventy and sixty five yards. Never the first first drive to the Super Bowl, O Zach with the Bengals gonna go for it like the forty eight forty year and didn't get it. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Game changing and just looking at it?

But I'm looking at this thing. Let it's a super Bowl with man the first quarter. Mamber No, you got top man kick it, make them go down. But yeah, analytics, everything and everything everything, and analytics got you got you watching the confetti for them instead of you getting it. Blake Darwin uh tight and cut Blake had hip surgery

saves three point eight million dollars in cap space. Then, um another reason they could cut Blake jars because they decided to franchise Dalton Schultz free agent tag for a tight end ten to point nine million dollars, placing eleven million dollars for Dalton shots. You're feeling on that on those two moves oh uh, cutting cutting the injured player. Um, I didn't know you could do that. They'll, they'll, they're they're going to work on the injury settlement. But he's

so he's going to recrup somebody. But yeah, they let him. Yeah, but I mean, you putting the franchise tag on players that's been in your system, you know what they can do. You believe in them, you have confidence in them being able to do what they've been doing. So I think that's a good move by them. So it's yeah to me, I I was, you know, I like what Dalton Schultz brings as far as you know, he's that, he's that

you know, complimentary guy. He's that that kind of security blanket for Dak Prescott out there when things are break down, Oh, let me find him. He's there, he's gonna make um. You know, I don't think he's the most dynamic tight end out there. I think he's very witt and esque as far as you know, yards after the catch and very he just sounded what he's supposed to do. He's not a great blocker. I mean we've seen that, you know, throughout the entire year. He's not a great blocker. So

he's more of a receiving tight end. But he's not a dynamic receiver. He's not a Kelsey, he's not a you know, the guy from San Francis Kitto. He's not one of those type of gas or Darren Waller that you can split out and he can, you know, make defenses paid if you put the wrong guy. Yeah, so

I think he benefits more from the scheme. But if we're gonna, you know, put scheme over players like this organization has basically said they're gonna do by getting rid of their number one receiver and basically saying the scheme is over the players, I think he fits well in this scheme and he could he could be productive. But to me, with that franchise tag, I think that just keeps him off the streets, and I think they'll try to rework some deal to get him out of lower

cap number. But you know, I think overall it could be a solid move for the Cowboys. By the way, just to clear it up here story of here on Dallas Cowboys that come by being wave slash injured. Jarwin qualified for an injured injury settlement with the team, which allowed him to recoup some of his burning so he'll be able to get paid. But the Cowboys saved roughly three point eight million dollars in cap space while carrying

a charge of only two million dollars. If you don't give Shultz the tag, you're gonna allow him to get to the market. So if the market's eleven million dollars and you've got teams who have some flush cash can need a tight end, you're probably going to Lucy. And then what other options did you have if you've Jarwin's gone, Shultz is gone, Sean McKowen, yeah, or Sprinkle, But yeah, we know we can't go. You can't go into the season with those being your starters. So you don't have

to give Sholts a long term deal. You don't have to. It's not like I don't anticipate Shultz doing the DeVante Adams and say, hey, I ain't playing a no franchise to He's gonna take. He gonna take all that he might might be hit day, go ahead, that paper work at right, He'll put this right here and then go back and play some more video games after dat. What I'm saying, So, I mean guy went to Standford. He ain't gonn sitting around here and turn down and let me.

Now let's I mean, might as well take it. But if you're the Cowboys, I think that's a smart move considering you're letting Cooper go. So so let's at least have the tight end that we know our quarterback has a report or report with and our coaching staff knows and understands. Yes, he's got some limitations in blocking, but this now falls upon them as an organization. Go find someone block. Hopefully Kellen can get him getting right. But so so Spase, you you had the franchise tag was

two years? Two years? Like, how did that process work? Like I never got the opportunity to go to that franchise and how how do that think work? So like when when you were going through it, you know, how did that work for for your situation? I was trying to get a long term deal. I wanted to finish my career here. We just getting CI to I like I thought, I believe that was one thing and they

believed that was another thing. So it worked out in the because I ended up making what they were trying to sign me for my signing botus for the first year and then the next year I get ended up getting signed it again. So I had like a guaranteed me three years for I want to say, thirty million. I made the eighteen and the two years that I got franchise, and I got guaranteed those two years guaranteed.

If I could do it again, I probably would took the long, longer term deal, seeing what happened with my injuries and all that type of stuff. So but it was a it was a frustrating time for me. Yeah, I can't believe him. Yeah, So more Cowboys news to get into here, jay Ron curse safety free agency. So I'm surprised, I'm that's one. I'm surprised that they didn't reach out to and try to get something on the books. So maybe they have, you know, maybe they haven't. We

haven't heard him it yet. But to me, he was one of the more important players on this defense last year. You know, he had the green dot and you all you know about the green dot. Thatt means you gotta get everybody on the defense aligned and community Hayden and ready to go in on the same page. And I feel like he did a great job of that, and it also allowed we talked about it in the previous shows. It also allowed Michael Parsons to become just a sea ball,

go get ball. He didn't have to worry about, you know, lining people up and getting the calls from the coaches. He just heard what he had to do hard. Let me go get ball, Go sea ball. So, you know, I think Curse and plus Curse played, you know how that kind of heck of a season he was. You know, he was part of one of the man reason that they were able to play so well on the defensive

side of the ball. So I would be surprised if with all the cap space they kind of freed up, if they didn't, you know, reach out to him to try to get him done. I think he's one of

the more important players on his defense. Yeah, most I feel like having those guys out there that can communicate to the rest of the defense, like it just it's something that you just don't see, like those those intangibles, like with Cooper, like the double teams and things that he was bringing, Like those are the things that you don't see, but it makes the team better and you can't you there's no analytics for that exactly, there's no stat for it, so you can't really judge it. But

it's very it's it's it's invaluable. Yes, I would agree. So this may be a case and the Cowboys have done this before. All right, see what you can get and call us back, because while curse has value here, this is value translate to other teams in the same way. Yeah, I think he's kind of a scheme guy because we I mean, we've seen he's been in the league within like six years now. Detroit Ministry, they said, you know, we're good. So so that's the that's the interesting type

of situation here, and it will be one thing. Let's say dan Quinn left, or let's say dan Quinn got the job in Denver, got the job in Chicago, then maybe it's a different story because then maybe they're bidding on it. But since dan Quinn is back and no one else of significance from the defensive coaching staff has gone anywhere else, so maybe no one else views him in that fashion. So so letting him go out on the market and see what he can get. I could

understand that that thought process. Bobby Wagner's name has come up a whole lot of Seattle. Let him go. You're talking about a guy who I believe will at least be on the ballot list for the Pro Football Hall Fame. He's done. I don't know if he gets in, but but you gotta gotta at least has to be in the conversation Luke's getting in. If Luke Keith Lee isn't, he got to because they were on it. They were basically, for you know, eight years, the two best linebackers in

the national football and that's Keith. Lee's another interesting guy. He's just just you definitely have on the ballot, gets in the conversation, getting in as a whole as d Ware We've seen that's a whole, another another, it's a whole another special. But at least have your ain't talked about to get on the list. Definitely that kind of player here. A lot of folks want Bobby Wagner here, but let's be up, there's not a lot of catch. Yeah,

and he's gonna cost It's gonna cost you. I mean just with with the the championships that he's won, the experiences that he has, the knowledge of the game. I mean that those types of things, those those can be measured. So you'll definitely have to pay for that. And he's done. He's been in like you said, he's been in a Quinn system before when he was a d Q or DC over in Seattle, So he knows the guys system.

He can come in. He could take a lot of pressure off of those guys, but you know, getting them lined up and the direction he can play beside Parsons, or you can move Parsons down to the defensive line let him do having there. So it's a veteran guy that a lot of people on this young defense can learn off of. I'm a big proponent of leadership and

what else guys bring to the room. And Bobby Wagner walks in with a ring and to put a Bobby Wagner next to a Michael Parsons the kind of leadership he can learn from because we've seen what Mica has done in terms of going to your old teammate DeMarcus Ware, you know, and just just learning from that. And even take Launce with his career turn around going and talking to a DeMarcus Ware. So you're bringing a guy like

Bobby Wagner man. You know, there's the price that you pay for the player, but what kind of benefit do you get when a great young player watches a guy who's got a Hall of Fame like career on a daily basis. I go back, and this is just me. The biggest mistake Bud Adams, the late Bud Adams made when he owned his football team, was drafting Vince Young

but cutting Steve McNair. What he should have done was keep Steve McNair there and have Vince Young learned from Steve McNair, because the problem with Vince Young was never the problem. Problem was just he didn't know how to be a pro the way you needed to be a pro, and to watch a guy like McNair do it. Because Vince had a hell of a lot of respect for him. I thought that was the thing that he could have done.

But you tried to save some money. Here, you save some money, but Vince was Rookie of the Year and they want a playoff game. But still what he could have learned from watching a pro. I just believe you look at Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers learned from me. You got to see what it was like for Brett Farker. I mean, people right now talk about taking somebody in the first round for a quarterback. To me, I go over there at Green Band. Here's a two. Give me

Jordan Love. Geordan Love been watching Aaron Rodgers before I these quarterbacks I see right now they talk about drafting like he's got question marks before I deal a question mark there, go give me Jordan Love. Has been in the league two years, who when Aaron Rodgers was sitting out, got to run the off season program and just give me that guy. I just think there's something to be learned from from great players. But you guys played so

no better than me. Whether that guy's I feel like it's it's the most important thing for a young player to do is to find an older guy that's been in it for a while and just to see their routine, the things that they do on a weekly basis, how they recover, how they get ready for the game, and how they perform during the game. You like, those things

all go hand in hand. So having somebody in the locker room like that, like the Greg Ellis and the DeMarcus Wars and the Jason Wittens, like those guys are you can't you can't, you can't pay enough for him? Yeah, Greg Ellis, boy, you talk about the guy who's just steady every day. Man. I love GREGI gret greg Ellis was and I know people consistently talk about how the

Cowboys took him and stead of Randy Moss. But UM tell you what, you if you could draft a Greg Ellis on your football team every year, you'd be a really good football team for a long time. Effect because because this guy every I love what Mike Zimmers, I don't have to worry about him on game day. He's gonna do his job. He's he's gonna be where he is. And when you get a guy like that, like a Wagner,

it holds the defensive accountability. Let me, I think, you know, these penalties that we we've seen happened throughout the season and came to bite us in the butt, you know, during that playoff game. You know, I think if you got a guy with his resume and in just his stature, he'll get after guys and hold him accountable. And guys are like, you know, hey, we can't make this situation because or make this situation worse because we're hurting the team.

And if you get that type of leadership out there on the offensive side of the football, I think they have it. You know, in that offensive line and some of their veteran players, but on the defense, it was relatively extremely young. I mean, you had the dlogue, you know, but he was hurt the majority of the year, so hard it's hard to have that that that if you're not out there playing. It's hard to tell a guy voice.

Hard to have a voice when you're not doing it. Exactly. Yeah, all right, Uh, let's spend our last ten minutes of this players Podcast brought to you about hotels dot Com talking about the offensive line. Lell Collins reportedly told by the Dallas Cowboys he can seek a trade. So, um Collins if he's a post June one cut saves um ten million dollars under the twenty twenty two cap here.

They clearly love Terrence Steele. So at this point in time, I just feel once they come, once they come telling you to go seek a trade, they or they ask you, yeah right, we we we got other plans. So your thoughts on Collins not being here to me, He it's kind of a sicky situation because he has no one to blame pretty much back but himself, because you know, if he would have come came back, didn't that whole situation where he got suspended for five games and all

that stuff. We would have never heard about Terren Steele. You know, if Terren Steele played the year before and he didn't play at a very good level, and if Collins was here, we would have never seen Terren Steele in this whole situation might not have ever happened. So to me, you know, Collins has to blame a little bit, has to put the blame on himself or being in this situation. But for me, it's I'm confused because I'm like, hold on, you know, Collins asking him to seek a trade.

What about Tyren Smith? Like, you know that he's been a very very great player for a very long time, but these past three seasons he's missed on average five six, you know, seven games out there, and no one's you know, asking this guy to you know, hey, we need you to you know, you know, we work this deal. I mean, I know he doesn't have a high cap hit because

he's sound that super team friendly deal. But are you really gonna count on, you know, ten games every year from your starting left tackle or do you think you should put something in there or somebody in there to you know, help bolster that line or at least give him some competition to where he's a made man. I understand, but but it's like the team like Jerry Jerry. These left tackles under Jerry Man, they're made man. And you

may say, man, I'm ready to move off. He probably held on the flozelle two three years longer than he needed to. But that's how Jerry feels about these left tackles. So you, you and mccrai need to move off there. But who do we go through if he goes down for five hiring is here? This is about Collins and then feeling that they've got sick down to second over there. I don't know, but at this point in time, here's

what we do know. They liked tearing steal Sealfully, so he played well at right tackles and when they tried him at left it wasn't the same. He's a right tackle, so they're going to say right tackle, we'll move on from Collins. College is not a left If College is a lefty, they'd be talking about it. They don't feel as a left tackle, they don't feel as a guard,

talked about the bend on it. So so they're going to move on from Collins, and I don't know what they can get, but in this league, I mean, if you Cincinnati Bengals, why not offer up a two. Your dude just got thirty one sacks nine, right, I mean right? So, I mean if you, if you are the Bengals, what are you waiting on? You should have been that you should have been you haul on down here to come get him and taken. They're gonna get another skill player?

Why point? I mean right now? I mean that that's that's the key. You know, you you may have won a super Bowl if you could have protected your quarterback here. So I think there's a market for college Denvers, a team that was rumored out there. We saw what they did when they got ron Leary. Ron Learry left left because because they got Collins and Ron Leary had a he had a really nice career up in there. And then for so to me, somebody's gonna get college, You're

gonna get a motivated player. I can't imagine this is not embarrassing to him that your team's basically giving up on the secret trade. You lost your job to undraft to do from Texas Tech. You gotta look at it. I mean when he even when he came back, it wasn't like his job was back immediately. I mean he had he was playing fullback for you know, a game or two. So it just goes to show you what this what the team really thinks about you. And if I'm him, I'm saying, Okay, you know, let me see

what my markets like out there. You know, obviously I'm not valued here. And but like I said in the beginning, he has no one else to blame but a self. But what's your thoughts on this whole offensive line? You know, how they you know, basically we're playing fantasy football, mismatching people here and there. We had some weak links. YEA, the line is aging, So it is I feel like a lot for the last two I would say years.

I feel like they're living off the hype of the three previous Yes there, they're living off of that thinking that they were what they weren't. So and this this game has a way of showing you who you really are. So and that's really what's happened over the last two years. And they they have to find some way to be better, be more consistent, be more available, you know, I mean, like you're saying with tires like they got, they gotta find players that are going to be out there and

consistent because those those groups they work as one. I mean, they have to have that that continuity to be able to move those other big lining on the other side of the ball. So it's it's it's I feel like they're in a really tough spot. They got a few different positions that need to fill up there, and they need backups behind those glass They are going to be hurt. So I mean it's tough. It's real tough, you know.

So they gotta they just gotta find a way. And and having tiring, I feel like it's a good thing just because of the player that he has been and like we were talking about early, like he's been in those games he's been, He's gone up against a lot of different types of players, so his mind is a little bit higher up than where his body probably is

right now. But he has that knowledge that he can distill onto those players, you know what I meant in presence exactly, And like you said, we still playing on the right side. He can't more to the list side, like it's a whole another monster over there. But just being able to do those Yeah, I mean being able to go over there and and lose, but you still get better by playing on that side and then going back to this side. I mean, so it is what

it is. Yeah, yeah, but Collins next guy to probably be going, and with the league year coming up here, I could see something getting done and obviously teams somebody's gonna want him. Oh yeah. I mean, if you're trading Cooper for for twenty million dollars, this guy's making ten. He's a starter in the league. There's just too many teams who have offensive line issues at so I expect a deal to go down for him, and to me, um,

I would need a three or four from the Cowboys least. Yeah, some type of value, you know, don't let him just walk out the door. Yeah, brings something back to the table and something. Yeah, if he's gone, right tackle, I mean I'm pursuing. You know, Connor Williams is gonna be gone in free agency, that's sure. What right guard or left guard? Left guard? So, I mean, what are we gonna do that center? Do we believe? Be honest? Is

the answer? At center? You know, I don't know. There's a whole lot of question marks on this offensive line up front, a lot of them. You gotta shure that up before the season starts because that's probably, if not the most important, one of the most important positions field. Look that this is this is an off season of a lot of change, and they're making moves and we'll keep talking about it right here on the Players Line podcast. But there's so much to go. You got Tom Brady,

who's back. I couldn't believe I've seen that yesterday. Hey man, hey man, do tire that car line school? Were tired to picking them kids in that car? Or so because many parent teach conferences for two weeks, wife to put him to work. So you know what I'm going I'm going back. I've spent more time with my kids and then they need to be put for what I gotta do? What again, the Dad's Club? Why do I need to join the Dad's Club of school? Yes? You do? Um? So, yeah,

put these kids asleep? What I'm going back? Yeah, Tom Brady said. But the Cowboys are going to face the Buccaneers Jerry World this year. Deshan Watson is going to uh apparently entertain some meetings Trump Carolina and New Wills. He's got a non compete. Um, Carolina, New Orleans, bring Peyton back in New Orleans, NFC East, I mean she said NFC teams. Philadelphia is the name of another NFC team. So here's the sean in AFC. It could be popular with this way here. So it's gonna be interesting to

see where the FC is loaded with quarterbacks. Now that you got Russell Wilson, Hustle, Joe Uh, Joe what's his name not Joe Brady, Joe Burrow Burn Rulson, I mean got my homes? Yeah, geeez. Uh, by the way we did, we didn't we talk about Connor. Connor Carson wentz coming to me. He's back. He's bad, He's bad. Literally, are the commanders the command commanders? So first off, all right, So I was looking online and it showed that the Vegas odds for Washington went down. They went down Vengas.

Oh this, dude, Yes, that's how that's how little they thinking. Man, this odds went down. Um. I just don't understand how you can commit twenty six million dollars to a guy who who you keep asking him about a year that he had one he had one good year, one good year, and you still holding onto that like, man, we think he can go back get that one good year. No, it wasn't. He wasn't even the quarterback for the whole year. Was he got hurt. And that's the thing I can

crack up on me. Where who else do we in the talking about? Hey man, you know he was good that one for five years. We think we can get that one good you? No, No, the dude who said I can make him that guy again? Just sit you gotta go right, I mean even Frank right you no, No, I understand he pretty much melted down those last two games. But the season he had a decent season twenty seven and seven? The old did you hit older? He's like,

ain't nobody coming back here who ain't vaccinated? You know who he was talking about, Carson Wentz, the GM up there, Well, we gotta look at all options. So the GM is like, man, g a GM is basically he did it. That was Frank's guy, So Chris Ballard right, So Frank like, hey man, I did I mean basically he came out there said I stuck my neck out for here. Now, when you say I stuck my neck out for you, it's always with like, hey man, you saw I stuck my neck

out for you. You git me like nobody ever says and in a positive way. He man, suck my neck out for you. Didn't do it the negative. Hey man, it's just how you do me right here for you. Yet you gotta look at him. At the same time, though, it's like, how many quarterbacks are there out there that have that that? I mean, just that miss Russell Wilson. They tried and they missed him. Okay, but for twenty six million dollars, Oh yeah, that's stepkay. But that's what's

the average? What the what the thirties thirties the quarterback with what they what they making this year? I mean they average and thirty, But just dude, it ain't no thirties. It's underneath that. Plus plus you still have to give up picks. Yeah, you're given up at least two threes for a dude. That all right? See Spen, this is me when you're a boy who stuck his neck out for you. He one year and he liked that. The owners, I mean too many people were like, nah, man, he

gotta go right, I can't do it. I mean, if you don't, we've seen folks mess it together. I mean fine called jameis winstay. I mean it's people you can call thirty not a lot, That's all I'm saying. And it's not it's not a lot. The quarterback class this year is not as strong as it's been in years past. New Orleans got they paid James one five last year one five. Don't look at that. Don't five million on one like run down? I can't. I'm understand, man. I

mean you know, okay, yeah, I come back. You gave up at least a three year. Why don't you calling Green Bay for Geordan Love He don't have he doesn't have that. You got the resume, you don't have the proven he hasn't been out. There was Carson showing you. I'm not saying that he's showing you. He did go twenty seven for seven, he won the six million dollar. You can't beat Jacksonville last game of the year, last game of the year to those last year. No, we

need this right going to the playoffs. Jacksonville a hard place to playoff. Yeah, it is a hard place. What I expects to win the twenty six I did win one year. There did y'all was following you? We did? We did and then the next year we was transh Anthony Spencer Man. We appreciate that Spence for coming to billing for Annie mcraig, Barry Church. I'm knew he scrugs from producer Chris Beam. We appreciate everybody for checking out

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