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Hello ahead, Welcome to the Players Loud sponsored by Tostitos, the official chip and Dip of the Dallas Cowboys. You are now rocking with the best. I'm heckm Harrison and joining me at the desk is my boy BC is in the house. And wow, he Key's back. How do they get How do you get back in this place? Do you even know how to find this place anymore? D mac is in the Danny McCrae is in the building. Look at that, Look at that box down there in that beautiful in that beautiful what do you.

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The new dog dog, new dog at the bottom. Newing Sdrugs, the eleven time Emy winning Yeah, Humble Bragg always in the building. Newing Sdrugs is in the building. This is the Players now, the guys, I start the same way. Hey, when I'm running things, I gotta ask the same thing.

How you mind? Man? How you doing?

I'm doing amazing? You know today was a great day. Went on the golf course a little earlier today. Man it shot a seventy eight. I mean too many cats doing that. Man, I shot a seventy eight and I got witnesses. I got witnesses. You know how people like the pencil with the card if you buy yourself. I got witnesses seventy eight today. I mean for the career, best you were, best you do.

Let you be getting a lot of suns. Okay, how do I hear that say? I'm gonna play golf. I don't care if it's one sixteen or not. I'm gonna be out there. I'm playing. You know, only certain friends can compliment you on your team. I got hey, I know he went knowing.

How you doing?

Brother?

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I am elitd Okay, what shoes you got on that?

Man?

I know you're trying to hide. Yeah, check your shop? We checking you. What shoes you got a newie? He's not gonna show him what you got all.

Newe dude, I got on George sitting here at the desk.

Okay, you want to take my shoes off. No, No, we're not gonna make you do that new it. But you, hey, you are don't believe you? Yeah, now you don't believe that you got the bromos.

Hey you're there in camp, man, you gotta be our eyes and ears down there.

What is the vibe like right now in ox?

Now, wait, let's just stop because you got.

Okay, okay, all right, see right there says see that that's pressure five man.

Michael Jordan's yes, goodness, gracious man, geeze man, I love to see. Why aren't getting hazed on this ship? Why am I getting hazed on this show? Okay, here we go. Mike McCarthy was asked about Ezekiel Elliot because Jerry Jones has said on radios early as today that you know what, there could be a possibility of Ezekiel Ellie. Mike McCarthy when he talked to the media, shut it down, saying,

And know by the way they already gave his number away.

Oh man, that's rough wing where somebody give us a number way that quick.

But I know you were driving up yesterday to Oxnar, so you didn't really get to catch that that full padded practice that they had the other day. But from from you just being there now, I see the players in the background warming up for practice. What is your feel like about the first round, Prick Mazzie Smith. I mean, I've seen a lot of reports out there. It seems like he's dominant the trenches early and often what you

So when I get done with you guys, the person I go immediately find is Nate Newton, and I watch practice with Nate and I just we just start going down and looking at the different offensive and defensive lineman and so that is what I'm going to go do. Stand next to Nate Newton and the next player's lines. I will have a full report for you because Nate does not miss when it comes to these offensive defensive

To these guys. So is Nate the same?

Has he given you any feedback on the offensive line so far? Because you don't have Zach martinair, We're still figuring out about Tyren Smith, Like, how are we looking on the offensive line? Because I've been reading that the defensive line has been dominating you know in camp. Is that because the defensive line is just that good? Or do you see our offensive line that struggling trying to figure out what rotation we're going to be in especial So with a new offensive line coach, I.

Think it's a little bit of both right there. I mean this this defense is good, Okay, the defensive guys. Talking to Lake vander USh yesterday, vander Rush mentioned Super.

Bowl ok goodness, and yes, yes he did.

He went there to bring it up.

Okay, he talked about Super Bowl winning a championship. Mike McCarthy today said he's never had a team with this much defensive line depth. This is a guy who's won a Super Bowl in his career, who's had a team go fifteen in one of the regular seasons. So when you see that this defensive line is having, you know, a little bit of an edge on the offensive line, that's nothing to be shocked at. You saw the video yesterday when Michael Parsons went past Tyres Smith, and Tyres Smith.

You know, I mean, what a good look for him.

But that's how great Parsons is and you got a guy on that defensive line. So this right now looks like a strength of the football team. Where we get done with practicing to be able to put more eyes and look intently at the defensive tackle position because I've

Hey, I've never seen you know, Tyron Smith look like that in the practice.

I'm saw you guys all see the clip where you know Parsons, which the guy's a beast, But I've never seen somebody kind of just hip toss Tyron Smith like that. So that's gonna be a battle at camp that I'm looking forward to watching.

But hum, what do you know? Okay, you're looking forward to see it.

We just watched. Let me tell you something. I watched the fight on Saturday night. Okay, so no, I'm not looking no, No, I just.

Wanted to stay healthy. That's not what I want to see.

It was. We're depending on Tyron Smith to be our starting left tackle. That is not what I want to see as we're in camp, all right, I don't want to see anything that could possibly get you injured, because those are movements that could possibly get you.

It is up. It made you cringe when you sign number seventy seven. Go everyone, I don't want to see that.

It's not happening today. Okay, guys, I guarantee it's not happening today. Wow, Because Mike McCarthy said they're gonna bet michaeccrty said they're gonna have tiring.

Just an individual today already.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it.

Looks good though, man, to tell you, right, now, guys, he looks good.

Guys, looks good man.

We don't heard that so much. But we're talking about back to back to Mike mccarthur. You have mentioned him a little bit ago. Do you feel that he's he's feeling the pressure because this is a huge year. This is a huge year for Mike McCarthy's taking over play calling duty, and he's basically saying, Hey, I'm gonna put it all on my shoulders. If I go down with

No, I don't. I really don't.

I think Mike McCarthy would a better play caller than what they've had the past couple of seasons.

So I'm not that worried about it.

Look, this is gonna be a team that is a defensive football team. They've got to figure out exactly how they want to mix other people. Antony Pollard run the football, and if Brandon Cook stays healthy, they're going to have some weapons here. I'm not really worried about the play calling that.

I'm just not I mean, Mike's done this before the guys won a Super Bowl. Here's the interesting thing. Okay, Sean Payton call the plays.

Everybody praise the Sean all day long, as they should because he's really good. But Sean Payton, you start to look at his win loss record, super Bowl wins, it's right there on McCarthy and they do the same thing.

It's just Mike is not this guy that plays to.

The media and talks and gives you all these great sound bites the.

Way Sean Payton does.

But I just think some of that is almost amount of disrespect the act like this guy is just some bum off the street.

The guy's a pretty good play called his career.

Guys, I listen. I believe it. Mike.

I've been asking fun to call the players since he got here. Okay, show us what you learned in the lab. We know that the game has changed a little bit, soins the last time you have call plays, and now you had an opportunity to come in and show what you can do. And now everything is on you. It's on you and your quarterback. And I think that's how Mike wants it. So I'm excited to see what looks like once we get into the seasons now a preseason game.

He gets the ball in his hands, anything can happen. I mean, we've seen he's a Pro Bowl returner out there. We could see what he can do with the ball in his hands. I was surprised last year he didn't get more opportunities, whether it's a jet suite for kind of a screen, just to get the ball in his hands in open space. And I'm looking forward to seeing him getting more opportunities in this Mike McCarthy offense.

I can see him being that fourth receiver.

That gadget guy. They may line him up in a backfield next to Tony polor something like that. So I'm interested to see what he can do this season. But he is explosive once he gets the ball in his hands.

I don't feel the same. Oh all right, I want him to be a returner.

I want that to be what he focuses on and what he does. Okay, cause we always get to this thing where we're like.

The more weapons the better.

Nah man, No, you got you got lu CD lamb Yap, who's gonna demand the rock? Okay, you got Brandon Cooks who is gonna demand the rock? Okay, you just drafted a tight end in the second round. You got Tony Poler who's gonna demand the rock.

We don't what with f fourth receiver? What we just saying?

And so No, when I when I'm looking at I'm saying, if we're talking about we're gonna run the ball as much as Mike McCarthy has said we're gonna run the ball, then I don't see us getting down to the fourth receiver being that type of uh, having that type of impact on this game.

I'm with you.

You you you need to have the top two, which is gonna be Brandon Cooks and Cede Lamb. You got Tony Pauler, who you're paying ten million dollars, and then your quarterback. All right, how's your officer line?

Look? And work through those three? And I think you'll be okay? What about you? Man?

So okay?

So here's the question I have, based on what you're telling me, Danny, how many touches a game combined? Do you see Cavante Turpin at Deuce Vaughan happening for the cowboy?

Which it will make you feel comfortable.

You know what, if Duce Vaughan really breaks into that roster spot to where he's used as a weapon, I would expect them to see maybe ten. But I'm saying seven and three offensive with Vaughn. I would say Vaughn gets the majority of those carries, because, like you said, we're trying to figure out how many reps Tony Paula's gonna be able to get. I can see Duce von being a person who can spell Tony Pollard way more

On the roster.

So it's something that they're seeing or something that he's not able to do that that that they're just saying. You know, we're gonna go to a guy like Duce Vaughan and see what we can make happen.

And Louie, I think you got a better play caller now, you gofer disrespect.

He called the same place for t Y Hilton to get get open and h you know what I'm saying, to catch a big time pass. So I'm not gonna put that one on killing I put enough on killing Moore as far as you know his effect on the offense.

Yeah, noui yea.

I was gonna say that, you know, during OTA's I kind of have to thought watching both of them play, knowing that the only way that deuce Van can make the team is also his contribution on special teams. So that's also going to be as a returner in some sense. How does him and Cavante turfing coexist in that lane when that's been in How Covante has got his claim the fan.

That's the thing that's gonna be difficult because to me, you got a Pro Bowl return. I mean, how many times did we watched last year. We're like, man, he's that close. He was that close to breaking a big one. I mean, I think you got dynamite in his hand. So I wouldn't mind him staying at that return spot. And duece fan like, like you said, he can be that kind of gadget guy screen guy, because look, no disrespect, but we know he's not picking up any blocks.

I mean, he's not picking up through I think that's just not gonna happen.

So for him to be on the field, he's got to have to either have the ball in his hands in some instant or kind of be a distraction. And I can see him having that type of role, But as far as spelling Tony Pollat, I'm not sure sure because we don't we don't have that that bell cow back right now, because not even Tony Pollard is really that bell cow back.

He's on, you know, fifteen to seventeen touch kind of guy.

We don't have a guy that can go in there and give you three clouds in the three yards in a cloud of dust and keep things moving.

So we'll see how the cowboys do with that.

Let me and let me tell you that's okay. I know, I know it's bad. Duvon his father Okay is up there telling him, Hey, man, watch what the pep's doing on the personal protectors doing on punt team. Okay, figure out what you can do on punt return team to help Turp and get free right. How versatile can you be because if Turpin is gonna be here right and you need to be here too, and y'all battling for the same spot, then you have to be able to

Expect them to see.

I expect to see him doing those type of things versus being a returner. Know y'all gotta ask you, man, you've been down there, you just got there. We talked a little bit offline about Jerry Jones comments. Uh, he's been talking to the media. He's talked about a current player and a former coach.

Man.

You got to give me your thoughts on what he said about Zach Martin and also this saga that's going on between him and Jimmy Johnson.

With the Jimmy Johnson soag. I go back into last year.

When I sat down talked to Jerry one on one and I called it petty. I actually said that Jerry, this is petty and Penny continue.

I don't know.

It's because Jimmy wrote the book, and Jimmy wrote a whole chapter on he and Jerry his book Swagger, and Jerry didn't appreciate it. But for him to come out and say that Jimmy's not the only coach that deserves consideration for the Cowboys Ring of Honor and then ask the follow up like, well who, and he's got nothing. That just tells you the petty and its of where

I don't.

I mean, do you think it'll it'll happen though, I mean, we've gotten to this one. He's been inducted into the Hall of Fame. Every time someone asked him a question about it, kind of dances around it, but ultimately the power is here is to put him in the Ring of Honor.

Do you think it happens.

Right right now?

No?

Right now?

No, this is the second year that we've asked about it, and he's duck his heels in even more. I mean to come up and say, well, there's other coaches who there is no the's.

No one else.

No, you're not going to put Barry Switzer in the Ring of Honor. You're just You're just not You're not putting Barry Switzer in the Ring of Honor. I'm sorry, and I know he was a Super Bowl winning head coach, but come on now, if Barry runs up in that thing with with a blue jacket before Jimmy Johnson, Mary may get booed out there cowboy fans and should get booed at. I mean, come on, it's just it's just stopped. I mean, you know, what are we doing here? It

But we'll see the guy's talking about. A guy that won't get booed by cowboy fans is Zach. But he's doing something. And you heard Jerry Jones talk about it. Jerry just kind of let it and I'm paraphrasing I gotta pay, I gotta pay, Micah. You know, but you guys, as players that have dealt with contracts and know how this whole thing goes. What do you think about Zach Martin stands, and also what do you think about Jerry's response to that?

You know what, you know.

I can't remember a time where I heard Jerry speak this way about a contract situation, pretty much like like you said, digging your heels in and saying, hey, it is what it is pretty much, and I got bigger fish at this point to Fry, We're making sure we get Michael Parson's paid. And oh, by the way, there are other people who were going to are gonna need to be paid on the roster as well. So Zach Martin, I think it's kind of he's down there on that list and they say, he listen, we got you in

But there are players who have been willing to do this type of thing. Uh.

So that scares me a little bit. But me knowing Zach Martin for the little time that I have known him, and then knowing that he he wants to be a Hall of Fame player. He wants to be a part of a team that's possibly going to win the Super Bowl I have, or at least be competitive. And this is the team that is going to be able to do that as long as they remain healthy, and he's going to be an integral part of that. So I think it's gonna be hard for him to sit on the sideline.

Uh.

They'll have a discussion, uh, figure something out, and I think he'll be get my purse.

You take care of your hope, because I not let me let me tell I don't care how good the defense is.

You don't have no officive line coming in here with all these weapons that we got you and Trump he did air quotes, you got six weapons.

He's needed. He's needed here.

And like you said, he's not only the best offensive lineman that the Cowboys have, but he's arguably the best offensive lineman in the National Football League right now outside of Trent Wins. I think Trent Williams probably the best overall. But right behind him is a Zach Martin.

And if you.

Look at the you know, the pay scale here, he's the best guard in the league, but he's six million dollars behind the highest paid guard. I think it's a guy from Indianapolis, Nelson, So I understand where he's coming from. He's like, look, man, I'm the first guard to ever get a ninety nine on Madden. I'm the best. You see the ninety nine club, Like I'm still in my prime.

All right, So you guys, you are looking at it, You're zooming, and I'm gonna zoom out here a little bit. And one of the things Jerry spoke about, He's like, hey, now you've been paid at the top of the market for a while here, because when Zach got his dealed, Jerry wrote the check made him the highest paid guard of the game, and Zach and his agents were also the ones who willingly decided to do the deal for six years.

So Jerry's like, hey, I did my part.

For you, and you and your agent.

Everybody understands how long these TV deals work and that the market's.

Gonna go up. But he did take care of Zach and put him there. I'm just and that's part of his point thing.

The other part that we don't know about is while he just worked on that deal and got it done for Trevon Diggs, what other deals is he? Is he

How that plays into it?

Because we saw the Digs deal get done, you got to know they're trying to work on some other guys that get done. Because I'll say this, I would love to get Ceedee Lamb done. And if I'm the Cowboys before George Jefferson.

Get done, oh absolutely would say justin Jefferson get yeah. But you know what, I got a newslash for you guys, the best defensive player in the league plays for the Dallas Cowboys. His name is Michael Parsis the Wazooka. Look, we don't play some bills just like we gotta pay Micah. It would be back players.

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On the Players Lounge and knew he has dropped off because you know they about to start hit and so you know it was perfect time for them to step away. But one of the things that we've been talking about on our chat is just trying to figure out who it are those guys on this roster that obviously a Trump battling for a position.

We were talking a little bit about this.

I want to go back to it because I believe that your discussion about the running back room, especially now that Jones has been has been suspended for two games that they just announced that yesterday, Now that opens things up for that position group for guys that you may not even consider to even make the squad now possibly make it. Listen, as we went into it, and we talked about Jones before we stopped our podcast.

We were all still wondering he was going to make the roster. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so freeing up the spot.

We know that his role on the roster, he was probably the only one in that role of like he was going to be that, hey man, it's fourth and two.

Yeah, but like how can we get it done?

But now he's going to give other guys opportunities to go out and show that they can do that, or give Mike McCarthy enough time to draw up some more fourth and two players where you say, you know what, maybe maybe we don't have to just line up and run power when it's fourth and too. We can get a little bit more creative with some of the weapons that we have back here. So absolutely, guy like Duce

Oh for real.

This is when you start. This is when you as a player, you start to say, man things, you know, all the chips falling in my favor right now, blessing me. Right, I get drafted to the team and my Daddy works for now, all of a sudden, this dude get two game suspension. Now I'm I'm moving up a spot on the roster, getting more opportunities, and I ever thought that I was gonna get so Yeah, the running back room is probably one of the most competitive uh uh position

To piggyback off here running back and yeah, he gotta be charged right now. Like he said, everything is kind of falling right into place. And I mean it happens with me and you were coming in here as undrafted guys. It kind of just kind of fell the way. I mean, we worked hard, we trained.

For you know, and all that stuff.

But you know, injury here, you know, guys not showing up the mini camp here and there gave me and Daddy all the reps we needed and we were able to take advantage and That's the big thing that he's gonna have to do is take advantage of the reps you're given. Because right now you got Tony Poler coming back from an injury. Like you said, Rojo's gonna be out for two games if he makes the squad going

Man, he got better at this, he got better at that. I'm gonna have to go back to my guy, man Neville Gallimore.

I mean, I didn't think he would be in this position, you know, at this point in his career, because I thought he was gonna be shooting up like a rocket. But it just didn't seem to work like that last year. And then as you said earlier, they added a Manzi Smith. I mean, you got guys in there, oh DIGGI Zua, you got a lot of competition for that interior defensive tackle position right there, So he's gonna have to show these coaches each and every day at practice. Man, he's

In my opinion, I mean, you bring up a wonderful point because Neville Gallimore, I think for the last couple of years before he got the elbow injury, he was one of those guys that they looked at as being just kind of penciled in, just a high energy guy. But you lose a Carlos Watkins, and how do you

You got to play up to this standard.

This is the standard that you have to play up to and if you're not able to do it, then we can go find somebody else. And Dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy they have shown that they willing to go get somebody else. So Jabril Cox he got an uphill battle. But hey man, I always say this, be best friends with that special teams coach, and then when your opportunity presents itself, make sure that you maximize it because if you don't, it'll be over BEFO.

You know it.

And it is my opinion that this defense the only group that you can look at to say this is the one group that really can't separate them into being that elite defense, because if you look up front, you think that they have the pieces with bringing in the Mansie Smith. You look at now everybody saying that that Michael Parsons is a defensive end.

He's we're in agreeing to that. Yeah, he's a defensive end.

You look at your cornerbacks now with Diggs and Gallimore and Gilmore and your safeties, I believe you feel you feel pretty comfortable, you feel pretty confident about it. But your linebackers, I think that's where the separation is. And that's why you're talking about a guy like Jabrell Cox who's had all of that expectation placed on him taking the next leap, but also DeMont Clark. I have high

That can be a heck of a duo, especially on the Montclark like you were saying, I mean the guy he took a jump last year.

I mean you saw him.

Some have some mistakes out there, but that's that's gonna that's gonna happen to rookies. I mean, especially at the linebackers. You gotta read everything out there, you know, run past option. I mean it's tough as a linebacker. But him getting more comfortable in dan Quinn's system, he should have a breakout year. I mean the guy he has all the all the traits, I mean sideline, the sidelines, as far as speed, he can cover guys out there, he comes downhill, so he has all the traits. Can he put it

But the Marvin Overshan from the University of Texas, I think he also puts pressure on this linebacker group as well, because, as you know, Dan Quinn loves those tweener guys. Guys they can do to more than one thing. He's not only a linebacker, but he's also a hybrid safety kind of in you know, in the same lane as a

Forced this on the topic.

But my man, Dak Prescott is going viral for the wrong I'm.

Just saying, what's going.

On social media situation going on right now, guys, Dak is being killed in social media because of interceptions.

In practice, Barry, Barry, Barry, Is it really as concerning or of people putting more on these Dak Prescott practiced interceptions than they need to.

Yeah, I think I embellished it a little bit, you.

Know, I'm just you know, I like to, you know, to stir the pot a little bit, and every time I see an interception out there, I said it to you guys, like, man, what's going on?

What's going on?

But as we look at this thing, I mean he I think he's trying to give confidence to the to the young wide receivers out there, because if we looked at.

You know who he was throwing the ball to on those interceptions.

I believe one of them was the Jaalen Tolbert, which was a deep one which na Shan Wright had amazing coverage on. I don't know why he should throw that, but maybe he was just trying to give the guy jump all opportunity out there. And then I saw the other one against Lee Cooker, which I don't know if he.

Was under pressure or I that was just a bad one. That was a bad one. That was sure. He didn't even have to kind of put it right in into there.

So all I'm saying is, look, man, we understand what happens when this offense is clicking on all cylinders. And that's when Dak Prescott has full command of the offense. He's up there at the line of scrimmage, pointing things out telling people you can just tell that that command. But when it's offense is fluttering a little bit, it's when he's turning the football over. And we saw that and against that forty nine Ers game in the playoffs. I mean, those were.

Two very bad interceptions out there. So to me, is it camp? You know, interceptions happen in camp.

We've seen it, you know, tons and tons of times, and guys come out during a regular season and ball out. So to me, maybe I'm putting little bit too much on it. But that's one category that he said he was gonna get better at, is not turning the football over and decision making. And from those interceptions, those were two extremely bad decisions that were made by Dak Prescott. So hopefully he's getting them all out of his system in camp and when the season rolls around he's dotting

We talk about practice.

Yeah, I'm not sure they putting it in a new offense, new offense to play college trying to figure some stuff out. He's trying to figure out. We saw we saw we seen two own deep balls right where you're trying to figure out exactly where I should put it. Who's going to be my deep ball guy, right because it was Gallup, but now he got Cooks and you got CD so figure trying to work out that kind of connection with those guys. That's the time you take the chance in

You know what I'm saying.

Guys come across on the dig or getting tricked on cover stuff like that. He's seeing one on one out there, he's taking his shot. He short at one ball, but other than that, he's giving his receivers a chance to go out there and make a place. So I'm not

Nah, Brandon Cooks is here.

All right, We're gonna see if he's going to be the guy who we've been watching in New Orleans and then Houston and LA. I want that same Brandon Cooks to come here and be a difference maker on our offense.

Nobody has been harder on that than you have.

Man throughout the season, when he started throwing those turnovers, you talking about him, No, I'm talking about you. Hey, y'all was taking I said that. I said he was gonna get it right. This ain't the player to let me ask my question. Then here's my question to you. But because you've heard these things in the media about him and we have that opportunity to talk, I'm just I'm not worried about what I'm saying is yeah, when you have a guy that comes out and says, look,

Right?

I wouldn't put a number on my on my picks because right after that we seen Siddy Fork drop drop a past and get intercepted. Like, ten interceptions in the season is not a lot. Like players go out there and go forty and ten. You go forty and ten, You're great. You're all doing great, right, So that's not even a lot, especially with an added game. Just go out there and focus on being a person who says

I think that that is better than I'm not gonna team I'm not.

That's you know what I'm saying. That's right, dude's throwing you know what I'm saying. That might be at who's throwing ten?

John?

I think Josh Allen through ten. Pat mahonmes Aaron Rodgers is the only person who go out there throw forty and six dudes be throwing interceptions. Bros. It's just a game. When you go out there and throw sixty times, We'll.

Let me ask you all this.

Then, going into the season, we understand there's pressure on this team. I mean if there's pressure on on the head coach, especially the quarterback as well. Can y'all see him going out there this season and kind of pressing the issue out there, like you know, I gotta I gotta show my critics, got to show people like myself that hey, I can go out here and I could.

Be one of these elite quarterbacks.

Or do you think he'll let the game kind of come to him and he'll go back to that Dak Prescott that we've seen in the past where he might not light you up numbers wise, but he's gonna protect the football and that's going to correlate to wins. Where do you see Where do you see Dak going.

Into the season.

I've always been of the assumption, especially with the with the turnovers, is is that who you are?

Is that your id? That's not who he is.

I mean, he came in the league setting records at not turning the ball over. It's been his mo I'm not going to turn the ball over. But I think in this new offense, it gives him an opportunity now not to do exactly what you just said is press. He didn't have to he has. Now you have some

He was pressing because he was here. I don't about.

Y'all saw y'all saw, and y'all saw that he was pressing. He was doing things that you wouldn't normally necessarily think that that Dak would be doing, sowing into areas, the communication between his receivers were completely off. I just don't see him doing that again, especially knowing the way that impacted the team. Our offense was completely dead in the water versus San Francisco. We could do nothing. This is

Running gaps, and then your running game is not.

Doing anything for you such your defensive a fair right. So first down, what do you do You say, Okay, we get second and nine, we're gonna run it and get on second and nine, or we're gonna we're gonna take take a shot and throw it on first down. So to me, that like that is that is the game. You have a great defense, You're supposed to have a great defense. How's your offensive line? Can you run the ball like you said you are not? You're right, we'll

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That was a team effort, right, We got it done. We got it done. Are you going? You worked that hard to get that? Are you going?

I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to now.

Man.

But guys, we were talking before the break, we were talking about guys that are on the bubble trying to make this team, and you brought up Neville Gallimore.

I wanted to know who your guy was.

You didn't get a chance to deep dive into anybody that you're looking at right now that may possibly be.

On the bubble.

Options No, I mean before this it was Ronald Jones. Now I'm like he moved further out on that bubble. I think duce Van is another guy who's on the bubble, but I would like to see him make the roster.

Uh one.

It's a very very good story for the Dallas Cowboys.

But I think he has some talent.

I think you can use him in a lot of different ways, especially if you could find a way to maximize his skill set. We know it's not blocking, but can you be a distraction and confused defensive coordinators while you're out there, or can you be one of those guys like Darren Spros right who is a mismatch come out of the backfield no matter what, No matter what the matchup is, you say, this guy here might win. I've seen have you been seeing the routes that b Jon Robinson.

Has been running the guys?

So you say, okay, all right, third down, if I can get Deuce Vanna look any thing like that? Right, If Tony Pollard is out or he needs a spell, then you got yourself a win. You do, that's a win. So I want to see him be able to show that he can do that on the roster. But you know, if he doesn't, then.

He might not.

You know, I want to pick up kind of piggyback on what you're talking about about deuced fun because the running back position is just as interesting as a wide receiver room was last season, because Tony Pollard really benefited from the one two punch of Ezekiel elepis.

Not going to have that this year.

I know we've talked that nause him about can he take the load and all of that.

We really worry about third.

What he could do a third Dow Are you guys sure that you know that RB two is necessary for him or can he be that BT we mentioned you Bell cal guy, the guy that can do it.

You don't take all of that. All of them need.

All the teams who have been successful lately need a number two running back who's serviceable.

All right.

That's from Cincinnati with Joe Mixon, was it? P Ryan right there with Dalvid Cook has Madison As far as having a good running game, like all these is Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon up there in Green Bay, like all these teams have a won two punch. It's no longer one of those things where you could just have one unless you have the one and only Christian McCaffrey. Are Derek Henry, But Derek Henry. As far as when you get in the past game, it's a lot different.

And that's what gets me nervous about this run game.

You know, you know, I know McCarthy talked about we're gonna run football, maybe be more situational awareness than they were with Kellen Moore, but they haven't done anything as far as action wise to say, all right, this is gonna be our running game. And we know what Tony Baller brings to the table, but he's not creeping up on anybody this year. Everybody kind of understands what he can do in that backfield, so they're gonna be keen on what you know, Tony Poler can do out there.

And like I said, he's a fifteen to seventeen touch guy. Who's gonna be that guy to spell them?

I mean, I know we got you know, Mike Davis back there, you know, Rico dell Well, got Duces Vaughan. Those guys are competing for that backup role. But can they can they kind of be that that you know guy to kind of give.

Them a spell.

Take maybe ten touches off of Tony Pollard out there. We're gonna find out. But I haven't seen, you know, this team make any moves as far as.

This is what we're focused on.

This run game.

It's what we're gonna do, because right now it's it's Tony Pollard or bust in my opinion.

Who so so when you so Tony Pouler's not getting the entire playbook, I would hope that fourth and one is not going to Tony talk yet. Like when you line it up and you line it up in two tight end whatever four on the fourth and goal from the half Inchlaune, I'm not sure if that is Tony Pollard's role. Who who do you see? If there's no Ronald Jones right now? Getting that rose at Donald Davis.

Because because the biggest wordy at all.

Yeah, I mean ric o'dowdell, but he hasn't I don't believe that he's even played in in a game. So Malik Davis would be the other guy that you would think they would take leak. And that's why the Ghost of Ezekiel Elliot is Loise in these whole conversations because that's what people ask them. What are you gonna do on third down? What are you gonna do on third down? When you know the blitz is coming? Do you trust Tony Poller to be that person to pick up the blitz?

Second, are chipping? Are chipping INDs?

You got to use rat But hey, man, if you're gonna if you're gonna run gun, you put your tight end right there, back back there, you know what I'm saying, Especially if you have a versatile one that they can also, Hey, if there's no rushing, you can get out and you know what I'm saying, go.

Out for a pass.

But you're gonna have to get creative, which is why your head coach, who has been in the lab could come up with stuff like that, bitch hoping what we see because because like the thing that would irk me the most is if what we're talking about now seeing these guys who we know who are not excellent, not good enough to be pass protecting on third down, when when everybody knows that you got to throw the ball, having them out there being pass protected and then it

So what is the solution to that?

And hopefully once we get into the season we see what it is and we all sitting there like, yeah, all right, big mic I know, yeah, you go, big Mike.

I know you had it up your sleeve. Man.

I got to ask you guys, I mean you you guys have been in this pressure cooking situation that we're talking about about making an NFL roster. I mean right now, psychologically, as camp goes on, in the first week of camp, what is it like for some of those bubble guys that's having to deal with that pressure.

You want to know how I lost my hair.

Straight up?

I mean, it.

Is stressful, man, coming in undrafted, just knowing.

I mean because when we got in there, we was like the fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth, you know, safeties out there, they were def at the position.

So it's stressful.

But you know, like I say, each and every week, you just got to go out there in each practice and show the coach is something, whether it's you know, special team man, this guy can get down the field, quicker man. This guy is great at the point of attacking, blocking, or you know, defensively man, this guy can cover pretty well.

He understands the playbook. If you give the coaches.

Something to talk about each and every you know, week or each and every practice out there, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard for them to get rid of you on the team. So you got to go out there and just kind of stand apart or try to stand apart. It's tough when you got a bunch of guys that coming in there. They were the best at in high school, they were the best in college. I mean, it's it's a doggy dog world, but it's.

Stressful to you.

I was the guy out there. I was like, made a bad play, look at him, look at him? All right, Yes, that's gonna be a negative. We're gonna watch the film make sure I don't do that. And every time, dude, mate, when I see him get yelled at or something, I'm like, yeah, all right, all right now, I need to make sure now because I know that the coach right now is thinking, okay,

Right.

So I'm not praying for God to do bad. But when I see it, I'm like, oh, I get the capitalized on that. They're not gonna get me on the same thing they got him on, right, because I need to show that one I'm paying attention to two I can be dependable. And that actually worked out for us Man because it was a lot of vets. It was me Church. They had drafted the quaset of WUSUSA in the fourth he was hurt, and then you had Mike Hamlin,

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