Player’s Lounge: Outside Looking In?

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His son, you've seen his son made the calling who he said he should have drafted, and look what happened. He said. They said, hey, you listen to your son. Take this pic this year your last struct should be listening to it.

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How many times can you make a mistake and you see it pay off on another team?

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Damn Joe always like, hey there's Nico. Wow, exactly, get it out, get off.

It can always be worse. It can all you know the Murphy's law.

The Murphy's law is it relates to the MAVs is never mind, not gonna do this.

It's a different day, different day, different show. Let's go, let's go.

Because somebody brought up Nico Harrison and I said, you see the Giants.

Gym said, y'all will go. Spike guy. His owner was like, I'm mad if I see him in Philly.

So not only did you see him in Philly, you saw him running up and down against you and Philly see the guy hoisting the Super Bowl.

You know that historic historic was.

That's what's happening in the NFC East with the team that won the division and then the team also made the wild card whose former coaches Dan Quinn, who's former defensive coordinators, former assistant Joe Witt Jr.

They went out and got Deebo Samuel's a wide receiver.

They got gifted depot gifted gift for thank you, that's.

The fourth You're just not gonna let that go. Hell, you just.

Half catches. Oh wow, But that was That's why That's why I say it was gifted. That's why I say it was gifted because it's like a fifth for a fifth of Debo in that offense. I don't care what happened with Debo overweight. All that he's gonna be in shape when he show up for for OTA's. He gonna be in shape with that first game of the season. I mean, can you imagine with that with what they have offensively already, and to mix in Deebo Samuels with that, I mean.

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Grad like I gotta go, I gotta go.

Let my old girlfriend know, Hey, I got this line up, Chris got it.

I'm here.

Debo is about to come over there. And if he comes back in peak performance, and add.

That he doesn't have to be the number one guy, he don't have to. But you got scary Terry out there.

You can double everything, Hayden, you can't double everybody. It's gonna be interesting. They're gonna be able to spread the field.

They definitely so their their general manager in Washington was in San Francisco.

So Adam Peters, Yes, shout out to my dog.

He has he has a knowledge of what Samuel can do.

And so.

But but notice it when when I was reading social media, I know if you caught some of the comments, people were trying to defend cowboys and saying that, hey, you know you got him for a five because of the money. Like I said, it's not it's not. It's not apples to apples, and Mingo was on a low contract and mainly were fighting fighting Clarence hill Man.

You know what, look sometimes you just read it, have an opinion.

I just read Cowboy fans that were trying to say, no, it's wrong, and clans you can't say it's the same. But what your initial reaction is A fifth Mingo four, make it make sense? And Cowboy fan several of them were saying because Mingo's younger, cheaper, therefore the pick was higher, have have not yeah, versus proven player who's been to Super Bowls.

Two, they gotta pick up twenty two on it, right? Twenty two is that that's not.

That's not a crazy number for a extremely solid See I ain't gonna say he's, you know, top three, top five, but he's an extremely solid receiver out there.

Twenty two, that's that's not a bad deal.

But what I think, what I think, just piggybacking on that, is I believe that he's in the league of his own as far as how he can transform from a slot to a running back.

He's dangerous in that way.

Short yardage guy, and that's what that's what the commanders are getting. And that's why it's like when you're sitting back as a Cowboy fans like, damn, it's embarrassment of riches. You get debo for the commanders in the way that now he's able to maneuver in that offense. I mean, the NFC East is gonna be often. It's changed very offensively. You better get you better get your defensives ready. Uh if you're in the NFC's is that why they paid uh Od's us so much?

Because they've seen all the weapons that are coming to the place. You know, it's solidified defense. I was hoping you was gonna tell me, you tell me. I mean to be honest with you. It's no slack to him. He looking at his numbers. He's dependable, he's been there, he's been a starter since he's been here consistently.

You're young, and what from.

What I'm hearing about his leadership in the locker room that you can't keep letting all your talent go. Now, does he deserve the bag and this and that? I think he definitely deserves the bag. And if he didn't get it here, he was going to get that somewhere else. So like the Cowboys was like, hey, lock it up now. The only other thing about that is you got Mic

If that makes sense.

So as far as paying him, I think the Cowboys did right by solidifying a defense that when if you don't know if you can afford Micah and if he's gonna go, then yes, like don't let all my horses leave the stable. I think it was a desperate move, but you know what, they were desperate.

Steven Jones talked about it yesterday the press. Come, yeah, we didn't, he said, if we don't have anybody else after Osis, Mazi, Mazi Mazi, That's what he said.

So if anything.

Olso to me left money on the table by not going to free agency.

He definitely did.

But that lets you know that one first of all, you're in Dallas America's team. If you get paid the money here off the field, all that stuff is gonna be something. But did he really leave money on the table. He left money. He could have caught a couple extra ten, maybe twenty somewhere else or something like that. Or he could have strong going the Cowboys with them being as desperate as they are, which.

I felt like he did strong gardment.

That's why the number is like when everybody when that contract, everybody knew he was gonna get paid, but when the numbers came out, everybody was like, you don't think he was back there? He said, Hey, I'm gonna loosen up this niggie on you real quick and go ahead and take that discount.

And so great job for him. I think they overpaid him.

I think they should have let him walk because you could have spent that money elsewhere.

You gotta pay Micah and then.

Potentially was going to be out there at this upcoming free agency with all the trades and stuff.

So I'll disagree with you.

And I said, from this standpoint, you let him walk away, who are you replacing him with. We haven't seen a plan that said, hey this person is you know if ibra Flus had somebody in mind or the team being known, you got to float out there.

It would Hey, there's interest here. You didn't hear that, you didn't And that's what that's what that's a double a sword because.

Even though you didn't, you didn't hear that, you still gotta pay Micah.

And then there's but they've always said that. Knowing that, I mean, that's that's been the case. He's still going to get paid.

So we know he's gonna get paid. Will he get paid the bag that he truly deserves? And then once you pay him, are you gonna have money to pay other people?

Tell me the last guy Jerry Wanton who didn't get the full back?

It that's true, I mean, but go down, go down the list.

No, who is the last guy where they I mean eight player agent didn't come in there set in the market. They just don't do deals for their top guy. They set the market.

CD, he didn't take you, CD didn't go.

Well, he's going to be the fourth No that everybody come in everybody? Yeah that so, Travis Frederick, that is true, And that's what I'm saying. Once you set the market, you've already paid. Oh this money, DZU.

With this money, you're gonna set the market with Michael because he's gonna get what he's gonna get. But then after that, where's the rest of the bag. There's still other holes that need to be filled.

Can we can we talk about production, that's all, you know, And let's talk about production from a player standpoint. And Osa if he got over on him, if he if he should have you know, sat in a little longer to see if there was anything extra. Maybe so yeah, maybe so, Maybe he didn't shop his deal with other teams. I think when the Cowboys came to the table with their deal, his his pen could hit the path quickly to sign it and get on with me. You know, I'll but but but my my apprehension on it was

So who would have been out there on free agency?

It's the perfect storm. We all know it.

There are players that we feel that don't deserve it, bag that do deserve it, bag off of him, being dependable, consistent and being there, what's out there?

Who are you really going to be bringing that's that much better than him?

And that's dependable and you know what you're getting, because we also know that once you get the bag, you have that fear of like will you get complacent or will that make you more motivated?

But de Montreal we got thirty one other teams that you can see that are making moves that don't just sit on their hands and say for who, for what?

Yeah, make a move, make a move. And this was the Cowboys making a move. And that's why I said, was it the right move that a lot of fans wanted? No, But in the eyes, you can't be mad because now this is the one thing that the Cowboys have been saying for a year. Go get your guy, do it right now, and pay that guy. And when it came up time to say for this guy, they said that was their guy and they paid for him.

Once again, they waited too late. Yeah, the time to do this was last year.

It definitely was with other players you could have got well, but just oh so loan oh saloon.

You could have got him at a cheaper price last year.

But going into you know, you wanted to make a guy prove it and okay.

And you wanted to take care of Dak and see the lamb. So you waited. So this is the cost of waiting.

The price went up, and we can debate all day like, hey, man, no, it's ain't.

Aaron Donell Part two, Chris Jones, You no, no, but.

You need a defensive tackle. You didn't have anything else. And before you let him walk out of the door for nothing, pay this man and at least you have something. Because ebra Flus needs and this defense. You need this player. So therefore the value of the player for them that it increased.

Yea perfect storm.

And exactly perfect storm. So he was a free agent, he had a great year, he was healthy. You bring him at Ebraflus.

The demand, Hey, why that's why if I understand why he didn't go to free agency.

In an eber Flu's defense.

That like the wife front is the four demon lineman. All this about it is just penetration. Can you cause gap? And can I get linebackers to feel the holes right there? And if that guy is that guy, it's like, oh man, I'm about to be making plays, I'm about to be getting sacked. I got paid the money, so I'm going to have the opportunity and once again here on America's team. The tension that's going to be there to you, the pressure. If I'm him, I'm like, hey, this is one I'm about to elevate.

Pressure. Make diamonds a bus pipes.

Right now, and no state taxes exactly, exactly, a perfect the perfect perfect storm.

You hit free agency at a time where the Cowboys desperately needed a defensive tackle. You hit a high mark twenty something a year. No state tax isn't for him, It's I'm good. I ain't got to move my house. We get a bigger house outside looking at we ain't part of the organization outside looking in, man, did they feel the need?

Did they?

Because if you look at the rest of the division, for being completely honest, that's what we do here on the on the players line, also, Diggi Zua is a rotational player for the Philadelphias. He's a rotational player for the Washington Commanders. He may start with the New Yorkers. They got that big Boyonaire as well in the New York defensive line. Did they feel that need with Odiggezua here with the Dallas cow because that's not mister you said. He had a great year. He was also part of

But like you said, I can't let everything go when everything is real and breaking down and so on the outside looking in, I'm gonna be like, dang, this is true. That's why I asked you, I said, I don't think as a fan, I would be like, yo, we shouldn't have paid them that much. We should have just let him go out there because he would have got it in another conference, but not over here for what we need.

But then it's like you're rolling the dice. He really want to do?

I really want to go over there and wait for the girl that might not give me a date. When I got the girl that's consistent, that is here, right and potentially, when.

You're the last one, you're the last one. This is the last call. This is the last call. Look at you down there at the end of the war. Come with me, guys.

Hey, I'm telling you right now, I be mad if this turns into Cinderella.

You think so he could, and you're talking about you're talking about it from a scheme standpoint. You're talking about from scheme standpoint, and abra flu scheme is going to accentuate some of the talents, some of the things that he already has in his wheelhouse. I look at him when he played with dan Quinn. You know, he had an opportunity under dan Quinn and then you still had a defense that was left more to be desired in

Now, if you don't show up, I'm gonna be the first one to say, hey, he came in there, no ask on and said hey, drop out, or he's gonna be exactly.

Say he gonna come in there. Let's get a break his key. Let's get a break in his Zach Martinsen no masks, no mask.

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Hall of Fame. That happened yesterday at the Star.

When Zach Martin retired from the Dallas Cowboys and Barry Church, Treymore. You all played with one Zach Martin, number seventy, So I'll turn the floor over to you.

Now.

Yeah, I had the pleasure of being Zach's teammate for three year his first three years in the league before I went to Jacksonville. And you know, you hear it all the time, kind of corny coach talk about, you know, first in the room, last the league, you know, the hardest working. But this is true when you talk about Zach Martin and exactly what he personified as a professional out there.

He wasn't a big raw rock guy that you know, bring up the troops Cowboys on three. You know we're gonna do that. He wasn't that.

He was a lead by example, and he showed each and every one of those young guys behind him how to be great when you go out there. I mean, the guy has more with all Pros or Pro Bowls than holding.

Penalties out there. And he's been like that since day one.

All right, Like my welcome to the League moment happened four years after I got to lead by rookie, which is crazy, And I'm talking about Zach Martin here.

You know we're coming out and nature. You know the cow, but they try to do that. You got to earn your position. You gotta learn this thing. Man. By day three, Zach Martin was running with the ones. So I'll never forget it. Man. We in cover three and in cover three the strong safety. You come down.

You got the force, which means you gotta make the running back, cut back inside.

But just socks. It's a power.

Play, which means the Marko Murray's gonna do his little counterstep and it come to the outside. And in power play you also get the guard that pulls as well. In this situation, it happened to be Zach Martin. So I'm reading it. I'm like, oh, I got this. I'm coming down here. I'm gonna either make this play or I'm gonna force it back to the rest of my help. On a defensive line, I see Zach Martin pulling.

I'm like, oh, this.

Young rookie, I don't know what the heck is going on, But as he getting close one, you got a lot ahead of steam. Won't me put my shoulder in there? At least study him up a little bit. Man, When I tell you. This man knocked me from the hash marks, damn near to the numbers. It was that real a that's a long ways. And I remember the old Martin sitcom back in the night when Martin would get tossed and then it'd be like cut to a rag dog man.

That was me, all right, And I'm.

Like our parallel My feet are parallel to the ground, and I'm just in the air.

This dude didn't do me like that.

So soon as I hit the ground, you know, I hop back up, Marion Nelle, you know, don't lay on the ground.

All my teammates like, yeah.

Good job forcing it back, Church, good job forcing everything back.

Scam all those boys they hyping me. Yeah, yeah, good job. So then we get to the.

To the meeting room after practice, you know, no dog club, and you know what it is.

And you know, Garrett, we always talk about it.

He got this damn Garrett vision where he breaks down these plays after practice.

So you know, he bring his old laser pin out there, he's circling it.

This is what we want right here, gentlemen, you'll see this right here, This is what we want.

Circling that play. He rewounded probably about four or five times. This is the physicality we need.

I'm just flying back and forth every time, and I'm sitting there and I'm.

Mad as hell. Rewind rewind Look this thing back, look right here. Look it looks better at slow. Cut this thing back one more time. Be mad. Of course, he cut it back one more time. I stood up, and.

You do that thing again. I'm gonna cut your big ass. I'm talking to everybody, start dying, laughing all your his feelings now, But nah, it just to bring it back to Zach. After all, that is man, This dude is the ultimate professional. And I'm glad I was his teammate in those early years and you know his play the rest of his history Hall of Fame career. But man, slewte to that man because he's one of those ones. He's one of the great ones that I've ever seen play the game at his position.

I bet you saluted him. I was in his career. I thought it was bad. I didn't get that hit that bad and you hurt. You heard I was parallel to the ground. Ain't got the.

Tails that way, all right, man, Like, don't be boring your helmet hitting these guys like that.

I was sick, But it happened.

I'm telling you for me like it's personal, because not only was it we teammates, but I had to go up against this guy. Not only did I have to go against him as a teammate, but I got to see him on the other side.

Of the ball when I was at the Johnson.

So for him to come in and be the guy that he is, the Cowboys has this history of lineage of going and getting office linemen and getting them while they're young and putting them behind other people. So for him to come in. You got Tyron Smith that everybody's talking about. You got Travis Frederick that they're talking about. You got them talking about, Hey, you remember the old Cowboys when they had be Waters and them. Oh man, they Larry Allen. They've been moving stuff since, moving stuff.

This is like.

It was like that, and I had to stop and just deva and I was like, yeah, coach, hey, from now on, can we do a text stunt please, like make the tackle go for y'all or don't know, make the tackle go first, clean that up, make sure his hands ain't on me.

So I can get here Scott free. And just it's a testament to him.

You always had him on the game plan for It's very few guys that you come in day one and you say, hey, that's the guy that we're watching. He commanded that respect on the line that was with a prime Tyron Smith, a prime Travis Frederick. Like he bought these guys in and like you said, it's very rare that somebody spends their whole career with somebody and for you to drop the mic like that, it was like, oh, man, seeing them on the other side in that sky report.

Let's get that straight here.

The Cowboys talk like that, they've always was the silent killer. But to see him and I come over there, joke with him and this and that, and he'll just go out here, go to practice, go through the motion. But then all of a sudden, it's like Goku, he just turns up out of nowhere and go super Saiyan.

It hit you with something you like? My bad bro? He just practice, chill out.

And so for him to go do that be a unanimous Hall of famer one My hat goes off to him. I saluted him as a competitor, but I even gained a bigger, more found respect for him as a teammate because he really was the last the first guy in the last guy out like him in Tynment, they're all pulling up, all the greats they pull up together. They taught him that tradition, and not only did they teach him the tradition, he embraced it and took it further

All players are having that, the fan base is having that.

So for him, salute well done, go into the Ring of Honor, and when you get that gold jacket. Man, I just hope they showed me on the highlight tape so I can say I was around great.

Go YouTube the Senior Bowl practice between Aaron Donald and.

Zachly that's crazy, that's crazy to think about.

I didn't even think about it. Heck, what you got on. Look.

I love the fact that a generational player gets an opportunity to get his flowers in real time, and it's done a lot of times. Not a lot of times. Great players don't get that. And you know, I just go back to draft night when we could have done much worse and and went Johnny Manziel instead of Zach Martin. Thank God for all those You're okay, it's okay, it's it's you know, it's it's it was a good it was one of the best decisions ever made a cowboy.

You know that that we went Zach Martin.

And man, just watching him as you know, when you you understand that you're watching greatness, you're watching the guy in real time actually be dominant over other grown men playing this game. And you know, my conversations about Zach Martin. I've had these conversations with my uncle Joe Green about Zach Martin and his eye quote he could have played during our time.

And that's that's something crazy, and that's.

Something that you know when I when I've talked to Zach, I've told him, Man, look, I got to tell you what uncle said about you, you know, and he's just a great player, great player to watch, a great player. When you go back and you watch trench and I've always told you, guys, trench warfare. When I'm calling a game, I'm watching the trenches. And when I'm watching a game, I'm watching the trenches. And Number seventy has always been that dude that has dominated his one on ones. He's

So that's why I'm.

Saying it is he deserves it. When you say that certain people deserve it, I'm glad.

He's getting in it. So yeah, I just had to throw that too. Sit in there.

Clarence Hill thought had a good point yesterday on the media Mash and Beat right where he said Zach Martin is the best Cowboys player in organization.

Post Super Bowl, post their Super.

Bowl wins, And we kind of thought about it, and we did bring up DeMarcus Ware's name, but I sided with Clarence because I said, Rare is the talent where not only when he's retiring, he's going to the Hall of Fame. You can argue he is one of the top five at his position to ever play that position in this league.

And you know how don that get tough when people have recency bias and or they don't know about those that played before him. But when it comes down to Zach Martin, none of that even comes into play.

Everybody agrees with what you just said.

Yeah, yeah, and you were talking about one of the top five guards in his history that have ever played this game. He is there in the mix and it's phenomenal. So congratulations to him. Five years.

He will go.

Whether it's Sharene Williams or whoever's going to make the presentation with Jack Martin, I think it's pretty easy. Zach Martin eleven years, uh nine Pro Bowls, seven and first Team All pros out keep going, no, no, that's it, I present Zach Martin. Yes, sir, all right, our final break coming up right here on the h This is the place not just watch you buy Aristocrat Gaming on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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All right Eck Maharson appreciate you very much. His player's lines just brought you by Aristocrat game. Got buried tu Trey Moore here? I am knew he scruggs. So yeah, I saw Michael Parson's maps ball on Sunday.

And he likes.

To tweet a lot of stuff. But ultimately my thought is this, and you guys tell me everything.

He's gonna be here. He likes being here, yeah he I mean I don't. And he's going to get paid. Yeah, first of we know what's didn't get paid. But overall, he likes this scene.

He likes this, he likes the way he's treated, he likes being a star, likes he likes it here.

Yeah, star likes the star.

It's a difference being a superstar here in now versus being a superstar anywhere else. Yeah, Mike's gonna get the bag. You saw Max Crosby contract come through yesterday and he like, Yeah, if Max Crosby got that, then obviously you know what Micah's gonna get. And I would have thought that the

Have to.

Is playing for Ebra Flues, you have to get it done. Think about it. When his time at the Coats, you had DeForest Buckner, you quidy p you had a tie that was on the outside like you had a superstar, and then you had somebody consistently you locked it up with. Oh, now you have to lock it up with a generational talent and Michael, And like you said, the star loves the star, like he gets everything that he wants with

It's going to free this up for me. I'm gonna still do that.

So like you said, Jerry doesn't miss on this guys, he never does, even when it's always been a question Daz Oh, when you're gonna pay Daz Brian, Hey, when are you gonna pay Zach Martin, when you're gonna play Ezekiel Ellen, when you're gonna pay dak His guys get that bag. So Michael's gonna get the back. It's just about how much of a bag he's gonna get. Because the longer you prolong that, the more expensive it get. Just like and you don't want to have those feelings.

But you need to add that gas.

In the celerant. So it's just about when is it gonna happen? And then because if you keep waiting and that price keep going up, Max just got his bag, well guess what.

He might not need the Max.

Deal, but he needs to be somewhere in that ballpark or it is going to be a disrespect. And now but you having to pay him because we know Jerry's gonna do it. Are you going to be able to get the rest of those dogs. Are you gonna be able to go fix the other side of the trenches? Are you gonna lock up only two star players on your defensive line like that?

That's where it gets a little danger and Dicey.

Yeah, he's gonna get paid. He has to with Eberflus defense. You know a lot of zone they rush for. You gotta have somebody get he.

Get in this defense.

If you don't, then you're not gonna get any pressure on the quarterback and his defense is gonna get picked alive.

So the deal is gonna get done.

It's just a matter of when and what the amount is is gonna be And I see him being one of the highest non paid quarterbacks in the National Football League.

That'd be Max Crosby. For two weeks, He'll be Yeah, two weeks Max and play and Max will be just fine.

I'm I'm gonna tell you like this, them state taxes over here and him getting a bigger bag. It's gonna look better for Michael though. So Hey, slow and steady wins the race.

Heckman, Harrison, what's up? Bro?

Appreciate you, trade more, appreciate your church, Appreciate you, Chris bean Green, everybody here.

Do that don't do that. I don't ever do that to you.

Though.

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