Player's Lounge: How Voluntary is Voluntary?

I missed? I missed a few shows listening and Church probably and you can't pair New Week were brought because mine was consecutive. Church has been all sporadic, but they ain't come. Yeah, I don't have to, but it's close enough. It's close enough for you to not really be sure. No matter where I'm at, if I'm not, if I'm here, I'm doing the show. Why if I'm a judge, I would say I would have to look at the wreck.

Mister mc craig, could you produce a record because we need there have been absences a couple here, there a sporadic and then I'll say this, Okay, when Danny was at we knew it. It didn't have to sit to twenty minutes before the show. That's how that's how y'all gonna move you today? The night before why hotel dot com that's where I got my away hotels dot com. So hotels dot com knew he wasn't gonna be on the show with Thery, but but anyway, good to see it.

It's it's a it's a better show when you're here, Okay, that's our way of showing you love. It's a better Bury Church. And I like you here, So I'm so glad to be back. Man, I'm I'm happy. I'm here three weeks in a row, and we're gonna continue this trend of me being here for absolutely. I used up out my pto, all right, all my pto is gone, so I'll be here until until it go over again. In two cowboys are practicing right now. So it is the final day of the OTAs or is Darren hambrig

once said, what do voluntary means? Voluntary mini camps? So you don't have to be here, but they say, but you need to be here. Oh yeah. And I have a lot of respect for the guys who come out here because fans don't understand they're a lot of guys. Now, Dallas is a different place, but a lot of guys who don't live in the towns they play. So when you come in to do a voluntary m ota, you're having to a lot of times come back into the place where you are m spend time away from your family,

and you're not getting paid for. It's what you were for free. Warren Moon spoke about that was one reason why he decided to retire. He was playing his final days in Kansas City and he's you know, I was away from my family, so in order me to do the voluntaries, and they wanted you there for the voluntaries, you had to spend time away from your family. It was voluntaries, Like I knew the offense, but but it's what you had to do. So I don't think fans

always understand guys. Not a lot of guys always live where they play full time, and when people are asking you to come in for these voluntary, voluntary mini camps, and sometimes it costs some of these guys money. And we're talking about not the big numb not not the Dacks of the world, but for guys who are you know, minimums, minimum veteran guys or rookies. You know, these are things that you these are expenses you can say you're investing

in yourself. But I think sometimes people lose sight of that. Oh yeah, and you know, I was one of those guys. I was able to well, I came, I lived in Dallas, but I played out in Jacksonville, and I hate it. I hated going back because I felt like, you know, the offseason was just kicking off. Me and my wife probably just got back from vacation. We're like, all right, let's you know, let's hang out on Dallas, have a

good time. Well, those weeks ticked by fast. Next thing you know, I got to take a flight back to Jacksonville and all we're gonna do is sit there and go over the defense that I already knew going into the next season. So I just didn't like, you know, going back and forth like that. Lucky for me, though, my kids they weren't old enough to be in school, so I didn't have to, you know, yank him out of school or put them in school in Jacksonville and take them out and put them somewhere in Dallas, so

they were able to just hop on with me. So that was a lucky part, but overall, I just I hate it going back and forth. If you were able to stick with one organization, you know, for your entirety of your career, you're lucky because there's only a few of them that are able to do that. Because going back and forth that that ain't it. That ain't it, And I just didn't have a good time with it. Yeah,

the same here. I mean, when you think about Chicago and you think about being able to go back and enjoy what Chicago has to offer, Chicago practice is in Lake Forest, Illinois. They don't practice in the actual city of Chicago. Right, So not only are you having to leave where I was at Houston at the time and fly to Chicago, leave leave my now wife in family, I would have to go to Lake Forest, which is essentially a retirement community. So it's nothing out there. There's

a grocery store out there. I think it's a I want to even say twin Peaks. I think it's like a I don't know what. It's nothing out there for you to do. So having to make that flight every time every time, it sucked every time. But once you get out there, of course it's football. But yeah, then it calls you a pretty penny, right, because you got to cass those flights and if the if the wife want to come see you, or the family want to come see you, now you gotta spend the extra dome.

It's it puts a lot on you. And that's one reason why we do the players line right here, brought to you by hotels dot Com. You guys give a perspective to fans that they don't normally see a lot of people just thinking, you know, Okay, yeah, you're a cowboy, you live here. No, that's not the case. For special Ken emphasize it up, especially the young guys. You know, we always want to think everyone thinks, oh, everybody's making

all these millions of ducks. You look at the Decks and the Zekes and the Tyrant Smiths of the world, and you believe that's how everybody is working and everybody's making it. In the National Football League, that's just not true at all. So final day of OTAs are actually going on right now behind as they we're warming up, as we're getting ready to start the show. The mandatory mini camp is next week. Head coach Mike McCarthy says

it's gonna be Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday. So mandatory. So these OTAs, these organized team activities, these were voluntary, got to be there next week or you face a fun so church, I'll start with you. What is it you get out of a mandatory mini camp that you're not getting out of the OTA? To me, I think the biggest difference is basically just time, because in the OTAs, you're on a strict schedule, because I think you only get You're

only there for maybe you know, two hours. You got a couple of hours to or a couple of minutes to meet and everything like that before practice. But when you get to those mandatory mini camps, it is basically like a training camp practice. You're up early in the morning, you come in, you have your special teams meeting, you have breakfast first, maybe get a lift in. Then you have your special teams meetings. Then you go and those special teams meetings are long, they're about forty five two

an hour. Then you go and do your team, your defense, on your offense. You guys meet as a group, you do that, then you break off an individual. It's just meetings on top of meetings on top of meetings, and then you go out there in practice, and the practices are longer as well. I think they're about two and a half hours, so they're a little bit longer than

your regular OTA practice. So you got all that and then usually when you're done with OTAs, you might go get a lift in or you might just go home. After that, it's over OTAs. It's a rap. After that, you might get a hot tub in or a sauna or something like that to get your body right, but it's over. But mandatory mini camp oh no, no, no, you get got you got your lunch break right there.

Then you're coming back. They through some more meetings. Now you'll either watch the tape from practice or you'll go break down something else. But you're watching meetings with either your position group or as a whole defense or as a whole offense. So that time it gets a lot longer when you're going through your mandatory mini camps as opposed to your OTAs, because you gotta be there and a team can find you if you're not there. So to meet biggest difference, it's just that time because you're

there for a much longer time. It's like your regular season practice, like your training camp practice. Yeah, in the piggyback off what Church said. I think it's I want to call it a dress rehearsal for for how training

camp is going to go. But when you have guys that have come from other teams or you have young guys coming in, they actually get a visual and an example of what training camp is going to be like, because essentially this mandatory mini camp is the last time that they will see you before you actually go step on to the fielding Oxen RD and have to know this schedule and know that you're going to be busy

from seven am to ten thirty pm. So it's really them letting you know, like this is what to expect the next time we see you, So go ahead and

get ready. The days are going to be long, they're gonna be full, and it's gonna be football twenty four hours a day and you and then it practices like you're going you get all the period, you get to seven on sevens, the teams, the team runs, the team passes, the two minute drills, and usually in OTAs, you know, one day you'll do a team team drill here, the next day you might do a set on seven here, and you might do a two minute drill the last day of that week for OTAs, but for Mini camp,

each day you're doing the full experience. Everything that's gonna happen in training camp you're gonna see in mini camps. So, like like Danny said, you know, the rookies are gonna get a lot. They're gonna get introduced to how the speed of the game really is when you get to training camp. Players Lounge brought to you by Hotels dot Com and our SWBC Mortgage studios here at the store in Frisco. So Dan Mike McCarthy said yesterday to the media they've been working on installs and he'll finish the

installs next week. So explain to our fan base what install means for offense, defense and special teams. Yeah, so, so I'll just speak to it from defense because that's where I came from, and special teams is kind of the same. So each year is kind of like wash, rent and repeat, right, So, because you have new people coming in, you have new stuff that you want to put in your playbook, or you might have new coaches that need to figure out how this stuff is gonna work.

So each year you come in and you start with the very basics of your of your defense and you put that in cover one, Cover two, Cover three, and you and you hammer at home just to make sure that everybody has that, because if you aren't able to run those type of defenses, as we saw last year, then you aren't able to put in your blitzzes or your zero coverages. You aren't able to add on to what you what you want to do. So you start with the basis one, cover two, Cover three, and every

day you add on something else. So when you're installing, you're going football one on one, next day football one h two, next day football one h three. And the plan is that once you're done with training camp, you have everything installed, so you have so many things that you could pick from when when the game actually comes on, Yeah, and it's like and like you said, you know from the first day's day, it's just Cover one. This is your simple rules. You got this, dude, man and man.

Cover three. Let's go over your basic rules for Cover three. Strong safety you got curl flat, the other the safeties in the middle of the field, corners you got the deep third. But as the as the days go on in camp, like you said, you put a little variable on each one. You know, if the offense comes out in two by two, we're gonna check to this. If they come out in three by one, we want you to check to this. And that's basically how you go

about your installs. Like Danny said, each day it's just a little bit different variable to that main defense that

cover one, Cover two or cover three. Each day after that's just a little bit different, a little bit of tweak here and there in adjustments to what the offense and tell and then by the end of it, you're calling the defense and then you're you're able to adjust it on the fly, right because because the players are all on the same page and they know so they can look at the coach and the coach throws up a sign and now you know exactly what to do.

But before that happens, you're not able to do that. Okay, So you're a free agent out of LSU, you're free agent out of Toledo. What was different about the Cowboys defense for you and what you had to learn going through your OTA and your mini camp before you got to your first training camp day? Man, for me, it was everything was different because I played under Bopolini and we ran a lot of Cover four, a lot of zone.

And then when I got here in Waye Phillips, here we were running man to man and we were passing off stuff. We were figuring out, figuring out a little bit of zone. But it was nothing like we did in college. So for me, it was like learning something entirely different. And then I was playing dime at that time, so now I was trying to figure out how to line up in the linebacker position, you know, fiel the A gap and feel the D gap and also cover

the tight end. So it was totally totally new for me. Yeah, and for me it was basically like the same with you. Man, it was because in Toledo it was just like, all right, you're playing man to man. Here's there's cover three. There's no there's no little variant. So there's no fire zone. Blitz is where you're blitzing usually if you blitzing your man the man behind it. But in the league and NFL, there's like fire zones where you're blitzing, but you're playing

zone behind it. So like it's just like a Matt zone concept. And it was just very very hard as a safety because you gotta know your job but as well, you gotta be the quarterback back there, and you gotta show that the coaches that you know, you know what you're doing. You know how to check things here and there,

you know how to play defenses. And as a rookie, when you're going out there with other bunch of rookies, I mean, it's like you know, you know, you know what hits the fan because you know the offense is commotion in here and motioning there, and as a rookie, your head spinning because you're trying to figure out, all right, this is what I gotta do. I gotta make sure my job is hit at one hundred percent in order to make this team. But if your other partners ain't

doing their job, you're all gonna look crazy. So you gotta be as a rookie safety especially out to be in tune of that playbook and in tune with what your jobs as well as everybody else is, or you guys are all going to look crazy out there. So that was a hard part as a rookie, just knowing the playbook and being able to be a quarterback back.

But at safety too, you gotta remember, like you said, that one motion if you know So if you know your job pre snap, right, you see the formation they come out in three by one, this is my job. Now number three motions across and you have to switch jobs with the linebacker. So now you don't know the linebacker's job, then you have no idea what's going on. So just one person moving on the field can change

everything for a defense. So that's why you see a lot of miscommunications sometimes or you see blong coverages because one person may be off, they may not understand what they're doing or they're not on the same page with a simple motion or a check, and then you get somebody you know running behind the defense for a touchdown. And as a safety, you also got to know because like you said, they're gonna move you down to dime because that's where the league is going now. It's going

to a pass offense. So they're gonna bring as many skilled players or cover players as they can on the field. And with dime, you know, that's just a one linebacker and you got about five dbs out there, so it's a safe the you're not the only got to worry about. You know. What you got is your responsibility on the deep end. But when you come to down. You're a linebacker, so you got the run. The run fits and that that's what blew my mind as a safety, wasn't It

wasn't really like calling plays back there. It was the run fits. Like if this guard pulls here, you got to be able to check one gap over to make sure that guy over, that linebacker on a strong side is gonna hammer them. So you got to be next in line. The hammer. It's just wild. It's a lot because if you miss one hammer or you spill which meaning you spilled up, you know, the running back goes further outside, or if you hammer making them go inside. If you mess that up, you can mess the whole

integrity of the defense up. And then that and on Baronelli and all his you know, all his defensive film you can see and like, that's that's what happened to the defense. That's who mess it up. So it's a lot of pressure for a young cat out there. For sure. This is educational, man. That's why I love asking you guys a questions about this because these are the things that I want the folks who tune in to the

show to have a little bit better understanding of. Because we talk about so much about just the the overall things, but there's these little little things doesn't matter. And my next question is when you're confused, because obviously say, hey, I don't know this. Who do you go to? Do you go to your position coach? If you're a linebacker, do you tapp into somebody like Kean O'Neil, you know, if you're safety you go and you're tapp into somebody like Kazy who knows? Where do you go? If you're

Michael Parsons, Jail Coxon, where do you go? That's tough now for Michael Parsons because are we talking about like right after the play are we talking about like man throughout the practice? You know, practice is done, you know you've soaked it all in, and then that other part of the guy like Parsons. You you know, I would say you'd ask Neil, But these are people's jobs you're trying to take. Well, yeah, if it's Parsons, you know,

usually you go ask Sean Lee um. So, so they have to figure out who that person is, if it's going to be l v or Jaylen Smith. But I would start with asking one of the veterans to show

me how they study take man, how they remember. And then if that doesn't work, then you got to go to your position coach because he has to know that you're not picking it up as fast as you can, so he's not putting you in situations that he thinks you that you should be successful in and you're not because he has no idea you you're not picking up on what he's trying to teach. So you gotta let everybody know so they can all help you. If you don't like say you you know, that's your job on

the line. So and that's the that's the biggest thing that the the young rookies makes a mistake is they go out there thinking if if, if, if I don't know what I'm doing. You know, in the coaches they see they don't know what I'm doing. Man, it's a struggle. It's going to be a whole bust. But you don't want to go and tell your coach because then you think, oh, man, he's gonna think I'm not you know, not studying, I'm

not in my playbook like that. And then like you said, the veterans out here, I mean they're fighting for their jobs as well. So I mean you're gonna tell them how to go, But are you gonna give them all the ins and out to the situation. I don't know. I mean, as me as a veteran, I wouldn't. But that's just me. That's crazy. Church has some great veterans that he was able to learn from that didn't take it. They were like, hey man, listen, if you want to know how to do it, then we'll teach you how

to do it. And if you mess it up and we think that the play call is wrong, we're gonna have your back forward. But see, I know why they did that because they didn't think I wasn't like you. You know, I'm still gonna get drill sense the ball he's created because he helped me out more than more

than he ever would know. And I'm not sure if he had the same thing with Church, but as far as he'll being a leader in that dB locker room, he did as much as he could to make sure that we were team building that was and he had our backs when when he thought something was wrong, he would step up and lets the coaches know, hey man, that's not right. You're not putting them in a reposition to be successful. Great Tar Hills to man, that's a great talk. Okay, he was afterely a good leader. He

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voluntary mandatory. You understand all day long. It says voluntary, But you getting side eyes if you are not there, side eyes if you if you ain't hide enough on the roster, you're not getting no out me at home. Ain't nil that nail that out, don't even come back last. We got somebody else for you, you know. And I'm not comparing myself self at all to a pro player, but even when I was in high school, it felt like the off season. Non man, it felt mandatory because

you have people are looking at you. They're your teammate. Where are you at? And I remember the coaches asking, Hey, where a so so at? So you all need to call him? Man, I'm working my summer job here. I'm trying to get paid. What you mean summer job? Right? Right? Then? Coaches, like high school, you know, nobody was recruiting me. I quickly found out when I went to Appalachian State. I was there on a debate camp. So I started to swinging by the football office. Hey, it's called somebody missed

a letter. But anyway, how my mom should be tying up the line. I know y'all probably call it was busy and I think it was Stan Hickson. I want to say it was brother Stan Hickson. He says, you know, since you play lineman linebacker. Okay, how tall are you? Folks? Said dad? Dad? About five eight moms five foot He looked at me, saying, so you're about done growing, which was his kind way of saying thank you. Uh no, debate,

you know, you know what. I showed up and walked myself right on back down and said, this is the what they said in the Mandalorian. This is the way. This is the way. Yes, yes, exactly, speech to debate. That was the way. And the other thing I noticed applite to state was that the only black folks that I saw that summer were involved in athletics. Well, well, the school in the mountains and Dexter Cokeley ended up going to. But actually pretty good though pretty good man,

Look look many they are a powerhouse. And this was years before that, but yeah, it was. It was very It was very That was what I told myself to you know, where are you at. I'm doing what I need to do. I'll see you all that and thetory I'm not going on because I'm not trying to lie to us in high school about scholars. Ain't nobody recruit me, no scholar, nobody. I was the center. Antybody recruit me to play center nowhere. I'm too slow to be a

linebacker the next level. But I'm trying to sit up here, Pete as these hot these lines and got about it. And you know what this thing is? Now? Is they telling these They telling bigger lines than ain't of these kids? Like, what are we doing? Stop to stop this? Kids? Ain't going on? I get you the league, I say, guys, to the league, there's this one. And I'm not gonna name this place. So there's a little right in my

neighborhood that somebody opened up on these little gyms. I'll tell y'all them O. The name of it is good, Okay, it's a catching name. And I see all these kids in here working out these you know, these junior high kids, and I'm just laughing them. Man, all they've done is taking daddy's disposable income and him thinking that junior and his daughter gonna be d one happening. He wasting your cash. But it's a rocket now. Man. If people are making

their money off of should he should league. If you're free, you come, Holliday up. We show you the path. All right, All right, position battles going into training camp. I'll start with you, start with me. I'll start with what do you look? I got my eye on one battle, one battle I think that's gonna take control of the whole of all the other battles that look, this is the one that's gonna be it, and that's that tight end position. You got Blake Jarwin coming back from an ACL He's

under contract, We paid him a bunch of money. He got hurt, unfortunately got hurt, but he's coming back. He's supposed to be this mismatched nightmare. He's supposed to be the guy. We haven't had a guy threatened to scenes like this guy's supposed to be able to and who knows how long, maybe since Jay Novcheck because Witten wasn't threatening those scenes. But this is a guy right here who's DA's already said is the most athletic guy on

the team. He's supposed to be a mismatched nightmare. Agants, linebackers, corners, safeties, whoever you want to throw out there on him. He can beat him on one on ones and I think he can add a different dimension to this offense. But you also got Dalton Shoaltz over there, who, in my opinion, he had kind of a breakout year last year for for himself. You know, he came in there, nobody expected pretty much anything from him. You know, oh man, we

lost dal Or Blake Jarwin. What are we're gonna do? Now? You didn't, I didn't. You're right, you're right, you're right. I didn't expect anything from Dalton Shots, but he came through and he proved me wrong. He went out there, he was able to win his one on ones versus linebackers safeties, had a couple of touchdowns, and he was good after the catch, a lot better than I thought he would be after the catch. He had a little

bit of speed there. So meet for me, that's gonna be an interesting decision there because I don't see with all these receivers. I see them being in an eleven personnel a lot, and that means they're just gonna be one tight end on the field. It's gonna be interesting how they're gonna div you up the plays here. But you know, I don't see Dalton Shots just giving his job the jar one. So to me, that's gonna be

one of the biggest battles coming up here in this camp. Yeah, well, we all, I think we can all agree that the linebacker position is uh, it's gonna be one. So I'm not even gonna mention, but I think the actual the cornerbacks. I think the nickel in the in the right corner spot. I think that's gonna be a battle to watch because we haven't really seen Kelvin Joseph. But I think the man can play, all right. I think he can play.

We'll be able to see it and the coaches are going to want to see if he's able to play. So you got Anthony Brown and you got Jordan Lewis, So you got three guys for two spots. So we got to see which one of those rods to the top and they're able to take over that right cornerback position. And who's gonna be be the slot one of those guys that are going to be missing out. I got a question, and I know y'all just a little bit off subject. Y'all saw the catch yesterday from Ceedee Lamb.

I'm I'm sure y'all saw the cat. That's my problem with the nickel body types that we have with the Cowboys, And that was Anthony Brown on it and Ceede Lamb's not maga, he's not no, we're near DK metcal nothing and he went up to rise the bove them got the ball easily and kind of shielded them all. That's my problem with the with the body types. We have that corner here outside of Diggs, we don't have any height,

we don't have any size. We might be able to defend all that quick stuff underneath, but when it goes deep, I'm concerned about it. But you know, we'll get back to the training camp. That's that's that's gonna be a battle. It's gonna be a battle to see if if if Quinn has those guys who can make those plays. They obviously believe in them, some some types of they see something.

So you know, with his experience and having those corners and being able to bring guys in that that could make those plays, you know, I'm getting a benefit of the doult because you know, I'm all in on Quinn. So I think I think that I think I think that that that cornerback position because I think Diggs has that his position locked up. But I think those other three guys, that's gonna be a battle to pay attention to.

When you bring that up. The first thing kims in my head, like the schedule, Boom, Tampa Bay, Mike Evans, Big Godwin, big receivers, and I'm just sitting there think I'm like, man, you know, I'm not gonna say these guys can't do it, because you know, I've seen you know, smaller corners still go out there and be dogs out there on the outside. But it's I mean, we got a lot of corners with that same body type. It's gonna be difficult, all right. For me, I'm gonna go

right to what I thought. The essence of the whole twenty twenty Dallas Cowboys problem was last year run game. Defensively, they were thirty first against the run. They were basically last until that last month of the season where they got to play some dogs and ended up getting bumped up to thirty one. So for me, I got to look at these defensive tackles. Who is going to stop the run? What's one way you can help your defensive backs put some pressure? This is true, you know this.

Warren Sap used to say it, and I just keep saying it again and again. The back don't work without the front. If you want to help you defensive backs, figure out how to get better upfront. So you know, Quentin Bohannon, a big boy from Kittalking, you know the three forty three fifty, big boy right there up in the middle. So you got him, Nevin Galliboor, Justin Hamilton, Tristan Hill, kid from Ucla, OSA. You know these are the guys I'm going to be looking at to say,

what can you do to help stop the run? Once again? Started looking on here these teams, you get ready to play here, there's some folks that are gonna come out here and try and run the football. When you see Tampa Bay, okay four and that out there. Um no, don't forget about the actual starter for Tampa Bay. He's a dog, a local local kid, Ronald Joe. So you've

got him. Um, you got to charge. You got Philadelphia with the uh the miles with name Sanders, you got said you got run cmc um, you got say quon twice. Minnesota's got Dalvin Cook, Baba Gibson did to us. You know Washington's running back right, So so I mean you look on the schedule here, man, there's there's some running backs coming your way. So for me, this run defense, you've got to stop it. And too many times what we saw this defense was on the field so long.

This is true, and they were just sworn down. And I know it's popular to try to talk about. You know, it was the twenty four thirty four touchdown passes that gave up last year from the defensive backfield stampoot. But if you're not putting any pressure and if it's just easy to run, then it's going to be tough for the Cowboys. And then you take these long drives defenses out there. So now you're coming back, you're asking Dak Prescott in the offense not only to score, but to

score quickly. So for me, the defensive tackles are going to be where I'm looking at it. Who's going to step up and try to stop the run? Tristan Hill's coming off at acl you guys know, um, these are we assume they're going to be right back. And this is nothing against to look at the training staff, but everybody's body is just different. Everybody's body responds differently. And did you be in a car wreck upfront like that? Um,

let's see where Tristan Hill is. I just don't think everybody should just assume he's gonna come back and be where he was last year. Where I'm just saying, when you when you say that, are we what are we expecting him to get to like he was a starter. He was a starter last year. So speaking of what the defensive linement was word last year was Yeah. I'm saying so because I might ask search, is Neville Gallimore going to be a starter? Yes, once we get to

week one, he'll be. He'll be a starter. He needs to take that that that next jump, which I think he can. I think he was on the way last year as a season progressed. He seemed to get better and better um and he was able to kind of keep those linemen off of our linebackers for the most part when they're we're talking about on his side and he's able to you know, create a kind of a push right there. We know he's good against the run.

The thing I think he just needs to tweak a little bit is able to get more pass rush to his to his arsenal. If he's able to do that, I think he can be a you know, an upgrade at the defensive tackle. So stay right there, because there was another thing we spoke about is is your what

offense have been Defensive players must step up. And for me, when I look at defensively, Nevin Gallimore is that guy I'm already talking about they've got to get better up front, and Gallimore's the guy that I'm going to look to, um, you know, the last year's third round pick, to say this is a player that needs to take another step

up and can help this defense. If he can do that, then you have Layton band Esh, Jalen Smith, Micah Parsons, Jabrill Cox being able to operate differently any last year. I mean, as much as people have gotten all the linebackers, let's be honest, man, you had guards sinners running up on these dudlers pounds quick quick. One of the things about Ray lewis when you and you wanted to beat the Ravens, if you could get second level guys on him, then you could take him out. Because Ray's not He

wasn't the biggest guy for a linebacker. So if you could get your second level, getting him second level with your offensive line mean, then you were able to really kind of affect what they were trying to do. That's why they had Tony, Sarah Goosa and Sam Adams, those big guys up there to let Ray operate. The Cowboys didn't have that. So as as people beating up the linebackers last year for poor play. Also give them the benefit of the doubt for the standpoint and understand they

ain't get any help anyway. The fans game some some different and what do we see because this like the Cleveland game and Washington were just gonna beat you. And people will set career high every week. You know, guy having a career day, like what start them on your fantasy team, fantasy you know he started, had to running back start them and if you had the top receiver, start them. Terrible Cowboys. Just we pencil themen a line. It was rough, but that's what that D line they

gotta do this year. I think they gotta. They gotta take advantage of their one on one opportunities. I mean last year there was too many times where they were just stalemated on a one on one block and the quarterback had all day back there to pick apart our defense. Um not saying our secondary is the greatest. You know, we've seen that, But we gotta give him some type of chance. So a little bit of help and you got d law. He's getting double team, he's gonna get chips,

he's gonna get hit out of linebacker. The running back is going to be focused on him coming through. So these other guys, Gallimore, Tristan Hill, whoever steps up um and outside of of of Gallim were over there in the other defensive tackle spot and Randy Gregory, they gotta take advantage of their one on ones just to give a little bit of help to that secondary. So Galliman was a white defensive player, needs to step up. What about you. It's gonna sound crazy, but I'm gonna say

Jaylen Smith. I think Jaylen Smith, with the number change and all the hype around him and all the negativity around him, I think if he steps up to play how he did two years ago when him and LV were looking at looked at as being one of the one of the top linebacking corps in the league. If he steps up to play that way and they're able to use him, you know, to rush off the edge ury once in a while, you know, run sideline of sideline and make those type of tackles, I think they'll

be Okay. He needs to step up because he changed his number, a lot of pressure on he put some pressure on this. Yeah, I want I want the man to do good, So I'm going to give him that. He needs to step up and play like the guy that he says he is. Watch the film. That's true. That's true. And for me, defensively, I'm gonna go with

you this on this New year. I think I'm gonna go on the defensive line as well, but I'm gonna go Randy Gregory on this one because I think this guy can have a breakout year and I think he can be one of those premier defensive players, especially if he's opposite Tank Lawrence. If he's able to get those one on ones and start beating these one on ones on a consistent basis, I think this guy can be a havoc throughout the league. I mean we saw throughout

the last couple of weeks at the season. I mean even he had, you know, three forced fumbles in one game. The guy was causing havoc in the run and the past. He has that type of ability to bend and get a round offensive tackles that's unique. And he has speed as well to get off the edge. So I just think this guy is a freak athletically, and I think he can he can benefit off of playing out opposite the Marcus Lawrence and he can he can if he can step up he can be one of these guys.

I know what knew he wanted. He wanted to hear what he wanted to hear. Tank Lawrence. No, but no, that wasn't that what that was? You know, It's not like he was not healthy last year. We all know the year he had the year before. So I'm just gonna say, the man's gonna be healthy. So I'm gonna leave him off my list as people gave you. So at the end of the day, his play is it's been adequate, but his place, the play at the defensive tackle spot has been inadequate. I mean, this was below average.

This was bad. And if Tank, if Tank has a Pro Bowl, it won't matter because they just go run up the middle. And so so that's why he's not on my list. What about offense? Okay, offensive player who must go ahead and step up for Tyren Smith. Yeah, and I'm not only does he need to be healthy, he needs to turn back the hands of time at least three to four years to where people feared him. Where that punch when you came off his side was like,

if he get his hand on me, he's done. You know, we saw a lot of mental errors coming out of Tyren Smith, a lot of holding calls, you know, some things that you don't usually see from him. So I think if if he's able to tidy some of that stuff up and he's able to stay healthy, I think we got a real, real, real shot of our offensive line. But if not, you know, you know what I think. Uh, look, you know it's tiring. Number one and then one A is our guy Lell Collins. Yeah, these offensive linemen have

to be back. Here's what Tyred Smith ended up saying, UM, cool, honestly feeling great. Finally got the next fixed, and I think that kind of connected to everything with the back. I'm glad I finally got it fixed after all these years. So Tyrant has been played with injuries since twenty sixteen, but last year, um, you know that that next surgery cost him fourteen football games. So we're all in agreement right there. Are our cowboy player on offense that must

step up, is Tyrant. That's the type of statement right there to get you in trouble though, because all of a sudden, you now you finally got it fixed, all right now, So what you know, I'm not even gonna I hope the man stay healthy. But you know, I'm no, I'm no dummy when it comes to uh people start type of injuries. Age and the position that you're playing is really really tough to avoid having those same type of injuries again. Okay, um, oh, gott take a break.

I'll take a break. I want to get into Well, the NBA's a different sport. I want to compare just a leadership standpoint from the NBA. Can you compare this to the National Football League? You guys plays, you want to get your thoughts on that. Also, we raise the question in our topic discussion of should we trade a particular player, So let's dive into that. Next, it's Buried Church. That's Danny mccrat new. We scrugs. This is a player's

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Cowboys Reporting joined by two former Dallas Cowboys safeties. They were free agent to make the team. Danny mccrad lsu Bury Church out of Toledo. Yes, yes, no rockets, baby, no rocket not now he liked Toledo. Ain't setting a goody bags? Ain't you talking about Flip flop. I'm not mad. He's glad to see the rockets. I'm right to see the family got back rockets. What type of goodies is Toledo? Then you come out in with it when you when you describe what's in a Toledo goodie bag, look like

what what's it? Ain't got the bread of the sec the big tan and all that. I just want to know what's in there about take some shorts. T you changed his whole perception because he ain't he tried to play the first I wouldn't. I want to know what they put it was a stack of money so that they give you something to change in mind? What was it this say? I'm just asking what the goody bag got?

Player players coming back, you know, just dropping stacks on the field and got that only that guy you're supposed to be, the guy at the Toledo game, at the boat. Stop stopping people. Stop. We know we can google them. Let me side note though, they're trying to redo the whole downtown Jacksonville, and they got a whole new thing. I'm not even yeah, man, they gonna win you back, nah' no matter when they can put a billion dollars into

that nine. You'll never see anything on my flight Tenera that says Jacksonville, back off for helping your boy out though you know that. So we were preparing for the show and on the show notes, the topic came up of trading linebacker Layton vandersh Church. I will start with you on this top. If you're asking me right now, like specifically, you know, this moment in time, right now, I'm gonna say no, but only because I don't know

what I have in the youngsters. If Parsons goes out there in training camp once we get these pads on preseason, he's out there popping, and he has a kind of has a controller defense as far as he knows what his responsibility is. He can make checks and that and all that other stuff, and in cots he is able to come in here and do what he does. He's able to show up in the run game, not only against the coverage, but in the run game as well. Yeah,

I would have no problem with it. You know, I would say, hey, you know why, you know, we appreciate your service. We're gonna let you go this other place, you know, get some picks for him something, because that's the only thing to me, that's that's holding it back, is they don't know what they have in Parsons and

in Cox and all the young linebackers. Because if you go that route, one is a cheaper route because you're gonna have to if you if you bring Vandura's back and you're gonna have to pay him a new contract whatever, it's a cheaper route, and it's a healthier route. I mean, when we've seen Parsons he rarely missed at Penn State. Lve nothing against him but that that rookie year, he was a beast. When he's healthy, he is a beast. I will give him that. But when's the last time

he was healthy. I mean he has you know, neck collarbone issuees here and there. He's just not been that same lineback he was two years ago. So for me as of right now, I wouldn't. But going forward, if Cox and if Parsons are the linebackers I think they can be, I would have no problem with it, no problem at all. So this is this is last year on his deal, right they didn't pick up his fifth year at trade trade him, get something for him. If somebody is going to give you something for LV right now,

I would trade him get something from one. Like you said, we are not sure if this dude is going to be healthy or not, so essentially you're losing for nothing and he might not even play this year exactly. M And then you do got some young guys who you want to get get some pictures of. So if you're really going to buy into Jaylen Smith, get LV out of here, let it be Parsons and let it be Jaaln Smith, who are gonna be your starters in the Nickel package. And then, uh, I'm going to assume that

Cox can play this because he want so. Give him, give them, give him, give him a shot, you know, to get out there, but unmuddy the linebacker room a little bit and get something for LV, because after this

year it's nothing. You just him something. If you have somebody willing to give up something that's worked it for Helvy, absolutely trade him out of And I would trade him before like you know, like if we see in training camp that they're doing work, these young cats, I would trade him before it because if he goes out there and he starts bawling out, you know what we're gonna do now? This week five and boy tackles or something. It's like, man, we were gonna do now so health

health as well. They say health as wealth as well, Bro. And when you ain't got that and you can, you can get something forward and sending that hurt person on somewhere else. Let me quote lead Corso here we go. Not so fast, not so fast. I understand the thought process about the rookies and what you hope they could be. I'm gonna go back to something that Barry pointed out to me that his staying in my mind. And this was about the schedule after the October twenty fourth bye week,

eleven straight football game. It's a lot of weeks. Okay, you know, Bro Cox, he Playleton games last year. Nobody calls football play Lemon games last year. Michael Parsons didn't play last year. So I'm looking and sit to and we're talking about now a seventeen game regular season. Here, give me some depth. If this Cowboy team is going to be what many people think they are, that this

is a team that could win the East. I would want to have a veteran in Layton Vanderesh who is playing for his football career here, so he will actually be playing in your ideal site. What if he's going to be out playing after playing, what do you do with you like he's on the bench. Okay, this is this is a very good question. If it gets the point that a Micah Parsons is out playing him and Coxon.

You're putting these guys out on the football field with the way and you're talking about the seventeen game regular season, and he's still a decent serviceable player. Trade that line I got to imagine they're going to be some people out there who would need a linebacker. Or if you keep him and he ends up signing a contract and you get a comp pick for him, I'll take compick.

But I if i'm if I'm Dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy, I want a veteran football player who is playing for his life and Jalen Smith is in the same position. They are playing for their football lives. Here, you guys can tell can speak to this more so than me. Aren't guys a little bit better when they're playing for that money? Yeah, but it's not his skill that worries though. Of course, Hell the hell he can. He can play as hard as he wants. Okay, but if he's hurt,

has nothing to do. How bad he wants to contract A guy who got so salty every time he asked about his health was DeMarco Murray and even his last year. Remember he hurt his hand. Yeah, kept on balling in

a final year. You're right, he hurt his neck. He wasn't out trying to have The injuries that laden has head as a as a linebacker are much different what DeMarco was facing when he was in his I'm not going to disagree with you, but I'm merely coming back to the fact that your livelihood, your career is on the line here. You are now playing for thirty one other NFL teams. So I think whether you hurt, whether you go, it's gonna be. You know you're gonna go out here and lay it down on the line. You

guys know because you've seen it. But but we listen. But we've never had a doubt that LV was gonna lay it out on the line when he wasn't playing for us, for for his life on the line. Last year, we just had a chance to play in the playoffs. The man came back from injuries, said he should sit out for the rest of the season. The man came back out there after having it was it was another neck injury. I'm not trade the man the next Pittsburgh is interested in them. You gotta risk. I think I

read that somewhere in Pittsburgh. Maybe get out of here. Can I tell you I don't get so he's not even play like when I hear that. And this is something man, I told you other day. These whole rulers and somebody's I mean somebody to do well what they're interested and giving up a one for Juleo Jones. If somebody's interested, you better believe the GM would have made them take it sold. Somebody will take La and take him at what Hey, here's a six A six. I

don't know about it. Sall tell you, Okay, man got a bad nick and a bad collabone now like Mike linebacker and you play linebacker here. So if I'm dan Quinn, you know why I want to keep him because I'm trying to get myself another head coaching job. Jerry Jones and Steven you why I'm trying to keep him. I'm trying to get to the playoffs. I'm trying to have I'm trying to have as many good football players in a seventeen game season as possible. So I'm going to

roll with late Van Drash. Let me tell you something I know for a fact that dan Quinn and his career has played with I mean some coach, some guys who are still out there, some linebackers who still had the ability to come in and play and know his system if LV is not here. So I don't think dan Quinn is lacking for people that he has on his waiting list. Say hey, man, hey, we need you to come just provide us with some depth if these young guys aren't able to make it past week twelve

and we just need somebody to fill in. Because that's not what you're saying about ILV. He possibly be sitting on the sideline being one of them guys who are you're just waiting waiting for with it was it street clothes, Strell street clothes? So would you would you give them up now? Not knowing what the young boys can do? The pads on, Yeah, I'm on Napat. I'm like, I don't think i'll train him right now. I think both

of y'all know how I feel about these injuries. Okay, I feel the same way about tires and his neck and his back as I do about l V the same way we felt last year, and we was like, man, this dude got a bad nick. That's something that you just barely. You don't really come back from it, and if you do, you're not gonna be the same. But we notice. But you know, we want depth. So let's

keep LV on there. And the next time you be in the training room talking about my other colophone, bro, then I'm gonna look y'all in y'all eyes and say, you know what, we could have had a six I'm going to be I'm going to be very interested see how these rookies in a seventeen game schedule make the adaptation to the National Football League because they didn't play a full season last year, and in the case of some players who sat out or didn't play, like a

Michael Parsons, you had Joseph who decided from Kentucky decided to set out his final two games. This is gonna be taxing. Do we have the Hall of Fame game this year? Yes? All right, so I ain't gonna it's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be brutal for the for the rookie because remember we came in all rookie year. We had the Hall of Fame Game, which was that means you have five preseason games, and as

a rookie, you're gonna play at all of them. I mean, you might not play as much in that third like you know, warm up game, but you're gonna play at least a half. So they got it's four. Now, it's four four, it's four still a health so healthy. So they'll be playing the normal their normal free season all four and then they got that early bye week. And that's the only thing as a rookie. They got all that training camp. And this is something that you're not

used to. This is you know, college goes twelve games and they added the game the arts and I'll wear seventeen games plus that long train ain't in camp. You know who's not gonna be in at the Hall of Fame game. Bro Okay, Listen, Michael Parsons are not getting a full game of snaps and get a full game. Kelvin Joseph is not getting the full a full full snaps in the Hall of Fame game. It's not just the thing. How they going to camp. Well, yeah, if

they're not playing, well, they ain't playing. Yeah, yeah, But but Michael Parson, he's not gonna be He's not He's not gonna be out there. He's gonna be chilling with Jalen. That wouldn't that be something you see el or James. If I'm Jay and I look over, I got my hat on, I'm eating my seeds in the preseason game, you know ain't gonna play a lot. I look over and I see right here beside me. Yeah, you know what's up? You know what's up? He better start, man,

I'm gonna go see what I get. If you look over when you see the half, that's gotta be Man. What if you if you when you get to that game, if you're a rookie and you're not playing it and you got on street clothes, they mean you had a hell of a OTAs you have a hell of a minicamp and they are expecting you to really provide for them during to see it unless you hurt and you're a rookie and like Da Das ain't playing that in that Hall of Fame game. But we all saw that.

But you know, so it's like it's not even worth it to risk it. Okay, that's that's a nugget right there for the audience right there, that's a good nugget. They're in trouble though, ain't that's in trouble. Listen, the man made a hell of a player yesterday, the hell of Spans. But was up the sideline. Who who's thrown it? Though? It don't matter he made the who was throwing the ball?

Man threw a lot of balls yesterday. They weren't picked off Michael Parsons got We all know that's not you ain't got taking away from the man getting this interception. He held back double g. Last year. We're sitting back there at the town was a town RV whatever, And you was talking about the Nucci that was before the game, that before I saw what I so you on the nights? How was I wrong on the dudes? So you said

should have played before the game. Before the game, remember that saying you know he has athletic he went out the Dalton. I should say they been de Nucci versus Trey Lance National Championship game up there in Frisco. So we'll always have that as a speaking of in trouble. Oh, Clippers are in trouble. Tonight, are they because the Mavericks can close them out. The road team has won every game. And here's the question I had in terms of the

NBA versus the NFL. How do you look at a player making a lot of money who's not doing their part? And I bring that up because Christo sports Ingis is making one hundred and fifty eight million dollars and he's not even the second best player on the team and looking Dante just carrying him right now, how do guys in the room look at another dude making a big old check not getting it done, but winning is being done despite this. They usually don't happen in the NFL.

If you if your big time player is not playing well, then you're usual you're usually losing. Um. But when you are losing and you're looking at that guy, you're also looking at management, like, man, what the hell is going on? Especially if this guy is one of those voiceous guys, one of those guys who the raw rock guys. Hey, bro, hey, bro, but you what are you talking about? Because you just

missed three tackles that you're talking about over there. So I think what happens is the players behind the scenes lose a little faith in that person as a leader. But you know, in his face, it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, you're still the guy. But when you're going home, you're like, hey, bro, buddy, buddy, sorry, he's still have had plenty, plenty of conversations over the phone, rookie year. A couple of years. I thought he was supposed to be the truth. I ain't gonna say the name,

but I don't know. He get like twenty getting like twenty a year. I thought he was supposed to be the truth. I don't know. So it happens, but like you said, I mean, if if he's that raw, raw guy that's in the locker room time, but we gotta win this, this is our championship. And he goes out there legs a stinker, you still gonna look at him like many. You know, yeah, you just ain't have it tonight.

But like you said, you're gonna have conversations with your boys like man, hey, But he just ain't got it no more so when he started talking to everybody giving each other a look like he sports ingis kay, MAVs go win. They go in La. He goes show up in the strip club and he you know, potentially could have gotten suspended. But it's like Luca's out here carrying the team. You now caught up in the Strip club, Like they're not gonna notice a seven foot three white

guy the Strip club in Los Angeles. They thought it was Dirk's and that's the other day. You're in the middle of the series. Well you ain't doing that. Yeah, that's true. But the largest contract Yeah in Dallas Mavericks history. What's crazy is I would have signed him too, the way he was playing in New York. I would have I would have gave him a nice no, no, maybe

not one thing. Thing. I would have paid him some bread though, to come to my squad based off what I he has some you like injurduced, but based off the injuries that he had, he would have got a little less. But he was balling in New York. Here's here's my issue with the deal, because first everybody just

gave it. Nobody said anything, but to not give yourself a team option in the last year with a guy who's got a history of being hurt and people that tall have that history, all, yeah, that was the thing. I just said, you know, wait, wait, wait, just you you need to protect yourself somehow on this especially. Man, it's the largest contract we ever give it out. We're taking care of you. We just need an insurance back. You're balling. Hey, it's gonna be yours, but if you're not,

then we need to help here too. And he was gonna be in the position. No, I think he would have signed it. So that was my thing was just you needed to put out Luca. He's up, he's up this year, they're gonna sign. But you know you know that's no. Probably, Hey, man, go ahead, what you want, right to check. But you wrote a check to a guy who's been injured, who never played one single basketball game for you, and he gave yourself no protection, no out that I had a question. Probably I have a

problem with that. Can he save itself by having a hell of a game tonight and hell of the rest of the playoffs by taking them? Yea, if he can, because because last year was bad too, he got injured. Yeah, and then this year is all his will if he if he somehow, if he twenty and ten, guys, just give him twenty and ten. Oh give him that. Yeah, he's providing. No, DA can't give him twenty and ten and and Rember you know what a playing better than his It was the big boy wasn't use um if

it he Smith is playing better. And that's the other issues. Man, you're seven foot three and Paul George basically stepped up to the microphone and said, yeah, there's no real room protector there, and then they go put Bobbie in the next thing, you know, bam. You know he's out here affecting the basketball game. And I'm sitting to myself there, Kay making one fifty eight seven three is a giraffe on skate side here. Yeah, but I said, you ain't

gonna playing on defense. You gotta be putting up some buddy. You gotta beat dirt. Dirk wasn't gonna play no defense. But you know, all day and I had people say, well, you know, pushing gets to hit that shot at the end. That's like a guy at the park. You're at the park and one of your he's terrible, he's over ten, but for some reason he hit the game. This This

was my game for the jump. That's the look. And actually actually someone told me that that was how he was acting the locker room after him, like like like like he hit I'm the man. Yeah, I sealed it. I sealed it. What Yeah, like like like Kyrie like he was kind of in the cash back and forth. He was just giving buckets. Hold on, le Bron will help you. Yeah that that that KP was was acting like that. I said really quick, two things, two things,

two things. Lebron playing was sixteen years his first time being eliminated in the first round. I thought they was coming back. Last night they got it to nine. They started rolling, and Booker came out, thing and crowded. Crowder start hit a couple of thirties. So shout out to the brun because I know people gonna hate on him, but that's a long time to be playing before you experience you know that. Two. This Milwaukee in Brooklyn series is gonna be nice. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna

be fine. Yeah, this is this is gonna be Milwaukee taking them. I think Milwaukee gonna shock him. I think one time they're going to reach one hundred and fifty points. One of these games is gonna be like one fifty one. For years, you are trusting in, uh, the wrong head coach. So all I'm gonna say, I'm don know, man, Yeah, I'm not giving me. I think it's I think it's gonna go to seven. I think it's go to seven. But I don't think the Katie and them are gonna

gonna let theirselves lose to me walk in six. Okay, now I'm not walking six. Anybody want to. I'm just gonna say, well, you gotta do that off air because I'm not, you know, I'm coaching. Can't do it, by the way, it can stop. I mean, can we just stop this? This whole Coach K is the greatest coach of all time? Can we stop this? Please? Are you jealous?

I'm just saying when when people start to try and dinner grade and act like John Wooden's ten national championships or no big deal that he won seven in a row threw up a whole bunch of undefeated teams. I mean, you know, look, coach K did. I mean, I was in North Carolina and I remember when they were trying to fire the dude. The guys are tremendous basketball coach.

But when we want to say he's the greatest of all time and you gotta do to one ten national championships one seven in a row, We're gonna act like that didn't count. Lord, that was easy, then stop. You gotta let the hype that down a little bit. Though. They just hype about it right now because he's just they're doing the press conference and all that. So yeah,

then yeah, just see what I'm just saying. He's kind of like a Bill Russell type, you know, like Bill us got eleven rings, but nobody really is like, is he the greatest? I don't know. You know, I don't think anybody said Bill Russell was the greatest, right, you know what I mean? Now they got Jordan Lebron. Yeah, people talk about Russell, it's the greatest winner. But but for me, when I look at John Wooden ten national championship, seven in a row, and I can't count how many

undefeated seasons he had, Coach Ky didn't do that. What coach Kate did over the time period was pressive as heck. But when we praised people for championships and then we want to act like the championships don't matter. Hell, you know, it was easy. It was easier. I don't give a frogs fat ass how what you thought was he got it done? Because Robert Orris should definitely be one of the top players of all time, Robert na vibe, he dropping or I love or or my god, my god.

But big Shot Bob was out there when he got when he got older, he was hitting big shot. It wasn't it wasn't big shots that he didn't he did on a consistent basics. I'll say this, if port Zingis could be big shot Bob, a lot of people would be very happy. Okay, you know what. This is the thing. And I remember Robert got there and he got his thirty five million dollars. I was there, and I'm telling you the way the guy went about his job and

knew his role. This is the kind of guy you wanted on your team, and when you needed some help, he was there to give you the help. Port Zingis can't give you no help. Give me some damn help. Hell, Luke over there, so a big shot Bob. You think Luke Luca loved big shot right by the heck? Can you trade KP for a big shot Bob? So you know, I'm not gonna sit around here poop poo. What a man did to help. He was smart enough and that's

your thing too. And you guys know smart enough and humble enough to say this is my role, I will accept my role. I'll fulfill my role, and then never stepped out of it. You know, so many times these guys they do a little something. You know, man, I'm telling you, man, big shot Bob sat in the corner. Everybody bore towards Kobell. I'm sending you can get the ball. I'm sending you. I'm sending you Robert Roy's highlights. Okay, I'll send me need him highlights. He comes out of

the corner one of them highlight. I'm like, I can find a lot of those. I'm talking about. I ain't talking about back the Houston days. I'm talking about don't don't count days, don't count. They need to count me. I go back that like Vernon Max, Mad Max, another one of these guys. Man, when you needed it, he did it. Vinnie the Microwave Johnson, when you needed it, he was there to give it to you. My boy, Ray Allen, you need these kind of Yes. But I'm

just saying it. But that was his thing. Man, love Rank, I love Rank coverage, high school man. But I'm just saying, you don't do not know. I was brother to watch what that team was before he got there. Then Jerry makes the trade and didn't see how he was a part of that championship team and how he went about his work. Man, it's underrated. I'm just telling you it's rated perfectly right, right, I got it right. But it's like Jay Novchik man. You know, the guy was doing

his thing with the Cowboys tight end spot. No, he's not a Hall of Famer, but you know what he was. Kid. He played his role right. You need guys to understand their role. Go out there, do their role. I mean, all I say is Chris tap Porzing. Isn't that I gotta watch that tonight, Dude, do something. Oh I'm gonna go. Of course, it's my job. It's what I do. But can you can you block a shot? Can you? Can you be as good as Bobon was the other night?

Probably not, but I mean you asked for a Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm asking as good as all right, Um, next week we'll talk mini camp on Friday. Cowboys have mini camp Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Then they're gone. Hopefully everybody and can enjoy their time off until training camp. Would be straight standy mccraie, that's bury Church. I'm gonna describe for Chris, for Aaron who helped us produce everything in the Back Players Last Back next Friday, right here on

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