Player's Lounge: How Bad Did He Play?

Lounge right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. I'm Newly Scrugs, a long time reporter covering the team here along with two former players, two former safeties, Barry Church and Danny McCray. Danny McCray and I are still here in Dallas Fort Worth at our SWC Mortgage Virtual Studios. But somebody has decided that he's got to get out of town again. Um damn Corona because he just gonna go away. He gonna go and that is very Church. So, brother Church, where are you where you posted up at

right now? I'll tell you what. Man with friends like y'all, who needs enemies? Man? No, I'm I'm in Tahoe right now. You know, the heat was a little bit much for your boy down there in Texas, so I had to escape for a little bit, get some swings on the golf course and get a little bit cooler weather. But you know, I'm always a professional. I got my equipment with me, and I'm ready to break this player's lounge down. Hey,

it's been seventies. It's been seventy and eighty degrees in Texas all weeks, so I don't know about that excuse he got going on. It's a golf course in his backyard as well. So it's hey, like I said, man with friends like yall who these enteviees Man. Two weeks ago, we would have bought it. Okay, two weeks ago. This week it has been good. It has been raining, so it has it's totally different. Now. I will say this

U Tahoe is a fantastic place. And I gotta remember there's a there's a breakfast and lunch spot near or how far are you for Incline Village? So ten minutes okay. It was a little, great little breakfast place over there, so if you like some pancakes and some hash browns, is a good little spot. There wasn't too far from where I stayed at down there, but that's that's a nice place to go get your little golf, little golf on there. You missed the players the American Century Classic

a couple of months. You gotta find a way to take rod You gotta you gotta find a way to take Rodney Harrison's place, all right. So yeah, so we'll see about that. So you replace one safety with another safety, so so we will we'll check in on that. But okay, so so clearly, Church, you didn't see the Rocks video yesterday by COVID, did you. No, I did not see the Rocks video yesterday, but I do know about him and his family catching it. So yeah, yeah, you know

right right right. But Church out here, you know, flying and jet setting all the carts tech. All right, Now, look I got my mask. I got my mask. Well, the beauty of this if if you get COVID, you can still do the show. That's all out, all right, We've got one full hour to go right here on the players Lives. Let's dive right into the big news for the Dallas Cowboys, and that's cutting haha, Clinton Dick. Something we talked about on this show last week that

they could do this. So the Cowboys end up cutting the safety they signed five months ago. Who once played for Mike McCarthy in Green Bay. And here's what I like about this move. Go back to the old line that Bob Sugarhead and the movie Jerry mcguireway says, it's not show friends, is show business. And I get Mike McCarthy a lot of credit to say, hey, look, haha, thank you for what you did in the past, but right now you're not fitting what Mike Nolan is doing here.

So to me, that's a positive because many times, and you guys have seen this because you played in this league for different teams. When the team signed someone, nobody wants to admit him. Mistake was made. If the guy's not showing up a camp, he didn't show up a camp, he didn't perform it, hes gun. So ha's done, Danny, your thoughts. My thoughts is, man, I mean, how how bad did he play? Because didn't he have guaranteed money in there? So they paid them for what I guess

a few days of practice? Was it like one point five million? He must have been making some some some serious bad plays out there, or Darren Thompson is really really good at playing safety. So I'm not sure really what's going on. But Like I said, we've seen this in the past with Church out playing out playing of Brodney Pool. So just because you signed a guy doesn't mean that he's going to be the guy to step in and feel that starting role. Once you step on

the field, everybody's equal. So this just proves that that it doesn't matter who whoever goes out there and makes those plays against those interceptions as a guy who will be on the field. So you know, shout out to high Clint Dix. I hope he lands in a good spot, but I think they made the right to since he wasn't getting much playing time. Yeah this one, yeah, this one right here is a little confusing for your boy. Um. Like Danny said, they had paid him a little bit

of money. I think he got some guaranteed money in there as well when they brought him in a free agency, and I thought for at least they would have given them maybe a game or two to you know, try to get you know, something under his belt and maybe maybe he's make a gamer. Maybe he's not a practice player, but he's a gamer. So I thought they would at least give him one or two games. But I guess they felt that, you know, he just wasn't showing at

that camp. You know, he must have been you know, missing assignments or just wasn't covering as well as they had thought. And they thought Darian Thompson was was the answer there well as of right now is the answer? Um for me, I don't believe Darian Thompson is the answer. I think he's more of the you know, situational player, more of a spot safety. But um, we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong with that. Maybe he is the answer for

this Cowboys or Dallas Cowboys team. But it was a very surprising move when they really or when they cut how hot dicks. But he just must must have not been playing well during these he's few training camp practices all I will I'm willing to bet you just because like being in a situation that seem to happen in the locker room. That not so much that he wasn't a practice player, but once he's seen that his rest was getting cut, a little frustration probably set in and

that probably affected his play. And then you start seeing guys kind of pounding around the locker room. Like I said, they had that picture out where you see him just standing behind the whole crowd looking a little sad away from the team, and I think that kind of kind of weighed on it, and in the perception from the coaches that you know, he really probably didn't want to

be there anymore. He wasn't gonna be the starter. It has to be something, because you don't just pay a guy at one point five and let him go before the season four you even gets a shot and you still owe him all that bread. Well, it's actually two point two five million that was guaranteed to Haha Clinton Dick, So the Cowboys would still owe him a million and guaranteed salary. But if he signed somewhere else in twenty twenties,

it's nine hundred and ten thousand dollars. Michael Gelk in the Morning News thing, it's because of offset language and that any collary that Clinton Dix earns elsewhere twenty twenty will be deducted from the amount of the Dallas os. But here's another point that Gelkin made here, and you guys understand this because you all played special teams heavily in your careers. Ha, Clinton Dix only played one hundred and twenty one snaps on special teams the past four years. Combined,

so you simply couldn't. He's not gonna be a you know, one starter. He was getting nothing on special teams, so you start looking at this thing based on he's not playing special teams. He's not the guaranteed starter they didn't have. They had to me, I think they made the right courageous move to cut the guy because so many times you see dudes who get to hang on a roster spot and they can't really live up and do the job. So I give the Cowboys credit forgiven Mike Nolan what

he needs for his defense. Sure, yeah, I give him, Yeah, I give him. I give him a credit. I agree with you. It was the same type of situation. A little bit different, but kind of the same when with Gerald Cincmball was here. He was a great safety that was here before. You know, me and Danny we played with him for the first couple of years. But when they released him, Um, he you know, he had a guarantee money with him, but he was a guy that you know, didn't play special teams. I feel like he

only you know, did on kickoff. But um, if you're not that bona fide starter and you're not that guy, that's you know, every every down, safety you have to sprinkle in some special teams, some kickoff, some punt, something like that to increase your value. And if you're not doing that, then the team, like we see here in how how Clinton Dixon's an example, Um, they're willing to let go of you because I'm like I said before, it's it's what you can do. What more can you do?

How much value can you bring to that team? And obviously he didn't bring that much, so they felt like they needed to release him. Maybe they got somebody else's the eyes with somebody else. I don't know, something's going on. You think you think there's more to this story than just just his play not being well. Yeah, like like his attitude or something had to be off like something. It's just you pay him that much money and yeah, okay,

all right, he doesn't fit the scheme. You don't even make it the week one with all the circumstances that we have going on with COVID, you just like risk the depth of your safety room just like that, Like yeah, and then we didn't pick anybody up instantly, so you

have to have somebody else in mind. You can't just say I'm going into the into the season with what I have now, So it got to be something in the books, and I guess we'll just have to wait and see what it is, because this is confusing, just because, like I said, you paid the man money upfront, you owe the money, and you don't give him a shot in this type of season where there is no preseason and you need depth and COVID is out there and you just say, hey, we'll go short. So something's going on.

We'll see. And I ask you a question real quick, new it Yeah, yeah, So do you think do you think anything the rookie from last year, I believe his name was Cedric will not Cedric Wilson, the safety his name is is absent in my mind right now. But do you think he had anything to do um with Clinton ho hot dis being being released so soon? Maybe the play in the in these preseason, on our preseason, these training and practices, maybe he's shown that he can

be that valuable depth player. Here's what I think. We gotta also remember can They didn't pay haha, Clinton Dicks any money and here's the guy who's been bouncing around, so you were already trying to Donovan Wilson so you're already hit from A and M Donovan Wilson. So you're already sitting around here, you know, saying, okay, let's take a flyer on this dude. In a lot of ways.

This was George Iloka Park two. And remember they paid him a little, a little cash less than what they paid Dicks, but they brought him last year he was running third team mad at Claris Hill. Start telegraphers class is putting that on Twitter. How hey man, this dude gave the answer because he run a third team and they cut him. So to me, they've almost done the same thing one more time. Like we're going we're going over here a shop at Dollar General. Here is on clearance.

It's haha, Clinton, dis here's two point two five meal. So you kind of got what you paid for, right. You didn't sit up here and pay big you know. This was like you paid big dollars to a guy and he didn't really do it. And Mike Nolan's having practice and look at it. You're saying, nah, man, this dude's not it. So so they go ahead and they cut the guy and we can sit up here saying, well, man,

you know you you paid him two point two five mill. Okay, he's gone, But remember they paid that kicker Kai Fourbath. He got a little bit, a little bit of cash. It was guaranteed, but they still cut him and then paid that paid Greg Zurlin is seven and a half million bucks. So you know, I look at this and I just say, this just wasn't the fit. They rolled the dice. They never ever sink money into safety. You

guys know that, they never do it. While you left, it went on a jack, so they ain't trying to pay anybody at the safety spot since Roy Williams left town. So to me, just looking at High Clintics, they took a shot. He wasn't the guy. I give him credit for saying, all right, he's not the guy. Let's go ahead and move on. So Darren Thompson and Daryl Warley, you're in house candidates to go ahead and move into this slot for now. We'll see what happens when the

cuts go down on Sunday. But of course we now need to bring in to talk about that dude. Earl. Wait, all time, I knew it, knew you know, what would have been nice and like it would have saved us from this confusion. Man, I sent out on my counsel last week and I was like, man, I'm gonna finally get the CD dudes play and see what they got out there on the fielding. And I turned on the TV and I saw absolutely bit. I thought I was gonna get some info. You saw the car and take

I take knew it. I said, knew it. Were like, what are we seeing? You know, because they just kept showing the sideline, you know, I thought it was gonna show something. I was like, hey, man, maybe maybe I'll see what's going on with Hi Hi. Maybe he's running with the twols, he's not making plays. But you know what, didn't see much, so that's why we're confused. Hey, look that thing was. Yeah, it was so confusing, you know, let me go watch some hockey and hockey on them.

I watched the play little. I just turned office. I taked it. I was like, I'm good, I'm good. This is this is not you know, you didn't never it basically turned it to the Michael Irvan podcast, Michael and Nate telling you that was exactly what it was. It was Michael and n right right storytime with Michael and Nate. He remember when Jimmy did this, and oh you right, you right, big fellow, you right. Jimmy weren't playing around

on that with Big fella. So I was like, man, let me go knwy but knew why, so tell me this. If they weren't gonna show none of the scrimmage, why couldn't they wear their numbers? So we end up looking at no football and dudes on the sideline with no jerseys off. Why why even get the jerseys with no numbers? Not gonna see it. We're not seeing anything anyways. So this is already built into the telecast, so every in the contract we're gonna have this. And so this was

done before you know. This is a part of the deal they got with Channel eleven and Telemundo. So that's the deal. And then MacArthur comes and says, hey, nah, let's not do this, and they're like, okay, it's a good idea. UM, I'll set it is smart, but put your jersey like we do. At least do something like you're not showing us no plays. We know who the

guys are for the most part. Yeah, it was so unpleasing to the eye to see like that whole thing and then blank jerseys, and you know, and back and forth with Michael or it was just unpleasing to the eye. Like I understand the point of not showing the players. You don't want to give up anything because that's your advantage. You hadn't seen McCarthy's plays in a long time. But goodness, like, at least make it, you know, esthetically pleasing to me. Let me see the nineteen and in the twenty one

and the four on the jersey. They're not showing us any place. Clearly they didn't care about trying to make any of us feel good about what we were watching, all of us, you know, at least the folks I know, just decided, you know, I got something else to watch, you know, and that's what UM has something some playoff basketball on, right, So it was playoff faster offs, playoff hockey. So I was just checking that out. And it also you know what else they aired that night, UM they

aired the Black Panther. They aired The Black Panther with with no commercial interrup options. And so I ended up watching that because because Bozeman had passed away, and and i'd uh, I've always been a big fan of his and and so so I ended up watching that. I was kind of the last thing I watched that night when I turned off the scrimmage I was watching. I was watching Black Panther, and I wanted to make sure I recorded it and checked it out. So, um, yeah,

yeah I didn't. Uh. We weren't supposed to learn anything from the scrimmage. I guess they did. They had converence the goal we turned it off. I mean, you heard Sean McVeigh. Sean mcvagh talked about how he was checking it out like I had him, and I tried to check it. Nothing to check out, So so give give the Cowboys credit. You know, Sean McVay heard it was on TV. He tried to find a way to get the footage and saw that Mike McCarthy gave him nothing.

So no advantage for Sean McVay and the Rams who host the Dallas Cowboys on September thirteenth on the on Sunday Night Football to to start the season. But let's happen again? What happened again? Jerry? Listen? Do you yes? I say this is not something that they could be moving forward doing this that one. Just don't put it on TV and just run. He made some quick money. He made some quick money, Jerry Jerry Jerry said that, yeah, yeah, I think it was a one time, one time pass,

one night only, one night only. McCarthy on that. Okay, let's let's squeeze in a break here when we come back. Uh. The latest on Earl Thomas and also an interesting tweet got out there. Jerry Jones responded to it today about Earl Thomas and the Cowboys, So let's dive into that. Next. He's Bury Church Stand m cray, I'm new, he scruggs. This is the players lounge on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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eye care professional by visiting slur usa dot com. See more, Do more. To the players, loud everybody. It's Friday, so that means boys are back. Here is the players, loads of new Scots law Tom Cowboys Reporter, joined by Barry Church and Danny Craig, former Dallas Cowboys safeties. All right, so we hit the show we're talking about haha, Clin Dix and we're all agreement that, all right, something wasn't right there. They go ahead and they moved on from him.

I'm all for that. So Darren Thompson and Daryl Worley are the guys right now that we're looking at in terms of Okay, they're gonna get opportunity to be those first guys out there getting the reps. Earl Thomas is now back in the discussion. He's still a free agent after the Ravens let him go on Tuesday at eight thirties. At eight thirty on Tuesdays, Jerry Jones speaks to one oh five three the Fan, and this is what he had to say Tuesday about Earl Thomas and the Cowboys.

In conversations, well, discussions directly with Earl, I have not had any, and we have not had any. But I have not had any either discussions internally we have discussions. That's that. Certainly, he's an outstanding football player and we're sitting here at personnel time and we're looking for ways to get better, and he would be one of several that we would discuss during this particular time as we

finalized this roster. And you know, it would be a misleading thing to say that we didn't haven't discussed him, and be a misleading thing to say that we have. But Jerry, if you haven't talked to him yet, shouldn't we take that as a strong sign that have I Do you all want me to tell you which way I'm going when I lead my office? Or do you want me to tell you what I'm doing over the

next business decision? There's competition out of here. There's a lot of nuances, and so I know you understand why we wouldn't own something as since him as a competitive roster decision. Why we wouldn't discuss thousands of thousands of people that aren't necessarily fans. Some of them are competition, all right. So that's Jerry on Tuesday. He was just asked about it here within the hour one or five through the fan because he also talked to ten AM

on Fridays. I used to host that show when I was a host over the fan and he still is not giving us anything, not giving us anything. It was a tweet report that they were going to meet with Earl Thomas will the weekend, and he kind of basically let that lay low. So I'm gonna start with you on this Barry Church, Okay from row Boys. Do the Cowboys go get Earl Thomas? Do they go get him? In your opinion, No, that's no. I think for my opinion,

that's a strong no. Um. I feel like if I'm reading between the lines, and I know I played for the Cowboys for seven years, So if I'm reading between the lines at that statement Jerry made, I'm saying that he wants Earl Thomas here. He wants that big name safety I mean university to Texas Dallas Cowboys fan growing up. He wants that guy in his locker room and on his football team. But I believe the problem is he's the only one that wants him on this football team.

I don't think the rest of the coaching staff. I could be wrong, but I don't think the rest of the coaching staff, and I don't think the players really want him on this team. But you know, he's the boss and he makes the final decision. So I think from it, if I'm reading between these lines, he really wants him on his team. I don't think it'll be a good fit, and I don't think they get him at the end of the day. But I believe Jerry does want him on his squad. Yeah, I think he

does want him on the squad. And I think this is kind of that that Johnny Manziel situation, kind of like Church alluded to, where one person in the meeting wants to pick this guy and everybody else is like, we don't really need him, and I don't. I don't think we need him either. And what will be the price tag on Earl Thomas for us to pick him up. Is he gonna play on one of those Leonard Fournette deals or or we're gonna have to pay him top

top night safety money. I just don't think it makes sense for us right now, which is why the haha Clin Dix thing is is more confusing. But you know, I trust Will McClay and Stephen and I'm pretty sure that they have their eye on someone or else, they wouldn't have made the decision that they made. And in saying that, unfortunately, you can enough for count Jerry Jones out.

He might go get Earl Thomas and just override everybody, which is why we might have seen McCarthy, you know, blow off that question last week, because he wouldn't in those meetings because Jerry Jones kind of already know how how he feels, but he knows that he writes to checks, so he can make that decision show. I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't think it's gonna happen real quickly, real quick.

To your point, Denny, I do think it's gonna cost them a little bit of bread, just because Earl Thomas, he's going through that grievance right now with the Baltimore Ravens over that ten million dollars that they took problems. So I do think it's gonna cost a little bit of money, and that's probably one of the reasons why he won't be on this team. But that's just my thoughts here and there. I didn't want to pay that he's gonna give. You're gonna give Earl a whole bunch

of bread your quarterback. Goodness, they trying him right now. They're definitely trying him. Okay, So so let me then throw this out this way. Let me asked this way. They go, you know, because you know that on a contract, week one is fully guaranteed, so they wait till after

the Rams game. So if you can wait till after the Rams game and you signed Earl Thomas and you basically can have a week to week contract with him, do you think Jerry could sell Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan that way because then they have protection and saying, hey, man, we'll give him a little bit of coin, but he's got to earn it each week and if he's not that guy, then we could go ahead and get out

of him. Dan, Well, first, I think you gotta sell Earl on that, because I don't I think that just from hearing you know, how he thinks and how he acts right now sounds a little Hollywood, so getting him to accept the deals where he's playing week week by week in like heavy and centim base. I don't see him accepting that. UM. But if but if he would, then I think that that would be something that Mike Nole to Mike McCarthy would would accept. But I don't

see Earl accepting that. I'm I'm to disagree a little bit with this. UM. I don't think it'll be Earls um not, you know, not wanting to take this deal.

I think it'll be Mike McCarthy and the coaching staff saying, you know, I don't think we should give him a kind of a week to week and centive type deal because the whole offseason, all we've heard from McCarthy just talking about chemistry and how this team has to gail together and how they have to be a kind of a one for all type cliche type of things we've been hearing from him left in right. So I don't

think I'm bringing in Earl. I think it would be a mess up the chemistry and I don't think Mike McCarthy wants that at all. So I don't see him having a one week to week deal. I don't even think Earl would take that deal, to be honest with you, So to me, I don't see him on this team. But I've been wrong in the past before, So so are you saying we currently have our starting safeties right now? No, that to me, they should have kept Heath. But that's long,

that's that's that's way down the road. But I think they gotta find somebody or take one of those corners like knew he was saying that worldly or that Robinson kid we got in the fourth round, and they might have to move him to safety if this Darien Thompson experiment does not go as planned, and I don't think it will. So I'm asking because you're saying, mess up the chemistry, we're assuming that they're gonna have to bring somebody in to possibly be the starting safety if we

don't currently have our two starting guys right now. So it's really just Earl's personality that that you're saying that McCarthy and Nolan probably don't want to deal with as far as yeah, like up the chemistry in the locker room. Yeah, like you said, I think he's a little bit too Hollywood right now in the comments that he's saying it's just it's just rubbing me the wrong way. I don't know sure about the coaching staff, but I just don't

think he fits well with this team. Okay, So I'm taking this as Mike McCarthy's silence on this and Mike Nolan's silence on this tell me what I need to know. Because all Mike Nolan has to do is go pick up the phone and call Baltimore because he coached it, so you know, he knows Eric da Costa. He has people on that organization he can go ahead and call. And then, of course, you know Mike McCarthy has has

people he knows as well. And then the general manager of Seattle is a guy that McCarthy worked with in Green Bay. So these guys have connections to people who dealt with Earl Thomas in the last two organizations. And I am of this mindset if those two, if anybody in those places say, hey man, yeah, I go ahead, just didn't work out, but we think it's okay, then they would have pulled the trigger. The fact that they have it, to meself, that's it says a whole lot.

The silence to me on it, or the lack of talk is a lot of sound in my opinion about how the coaching staff feels about Earl Thomas that you know what, man, we're good. We don't need this dude with everything that comes with it. I agree with you. I just don't think he, uh, he makes that fit here. Um, you know he It's just it's it's it's different because I don't see this locker room having a very strong,

super strong veteran voice in there right now. I mean, you know, the only veteran they have really is in there is Sean lead has been there for a long time. I mean, they lost the Wittons and all that. So I think if you got if you bring in a guy like Earl, you got to have that already kind of established strong veteran leadership, especially on the defensive side of the ball, and in that secondary they're extremely young. So I just don't see anybody kind of telling Earl like, no,

this is the way we do it around here. And I think his you know, I think he would just kind of take over that room slowly but surely, and I don't think that would be a good thing. All right, let me go run down the cuts for any Cowboys fans who may have missed it. So obviously haw Clinton Dick's gone yesterday. Wide receiver Devon Smith is cut. Remember last year up in Washington, Devon Smith had that nice big game. UM center Adam Redman has been cut. Tackle

Mitch Hyatt, tackle White Miller's cup, tackle Pace Murphy. Murphy is gone. UM rookie tight end Charlie tell a payout from Portland State is out, and then quarterback Clayton Thorson is gone. There. Amari Cooper has been missing practices. He's been working with chords. The Cowboys, like all teams right now, are describing their NFL injuries as hockey injuries, meaning there's a you know, they'll tell you there's a lower body injury, or he's court. You know, they're not giving you anything here.

So should we be worried about Amari Cooper Week one against the Rams? Absolutely? Go ahead, okay, Danny, go ahead? All right? All right? Dat no, no, let me let listen, listen. Let me tell you why I'm so adamant about it, because mistakenly I picked this guy early in my fantasy football draft. Don't I don't know, I don't know, I

don't know what I was thinking. I got him, and I got Leonard Fournette right so, and then all of a sudden, I found out this guy hadn't been a practicing for the whole almost let me see the first the last five practices. And we couldn't see this because we weren't able to see the practice on TV. So we had no idea that Mark Cooper was dealing with any type of injuries. And now we found out a soft tissue. We found out that he was playing injured last year as well. I think he had like a

hell injury back when he was in Oakland. It started to become a recurring theme here with with old coops. So I'm a little worried about him looking like the twenty million dollar man in week one. I hope and I have trust and Brett Brown, you know, and Jim and those guys in the training room that they could get them ready. And that's why they're kind of taking their foot off the gas and just have him working on the cars. But I'm worried for him to be

ready for week one. But we drafted a top receiver and then we have Michael Gallup, so I'm not worried about our performance. I'm just kind of worried about him being able to be available for that game and be one hundred percent, because we know he's not one hundred percent. He looks totally different. You like you, like you like how I'm looking right now, Danny, like that. Like listen, my rundebut went off, like I can't see you man, unfortunately,

Like that championship trophy right here, baby, right here. You know you know what I changed my I changed my fantasy football name for this season. It is defending Champion every week and then who you playing this week? I got defending Champions. So that's my team name this year is defending Champions. So there we go. Um, yes, that is why I'm targeting Michael Gallop, who I had last year, by the way, in fantasy draft. So okay, so you're

worried about Cooper. Now here's the question, because you guys have brought you guys brought this up earlier in the summertime, before actually before we hit that summer break that you guys, when you guys dealt with that lockout, that there was a whole bunch of soft tissue injuries and you guys expected this stuff. And we've already seen across the league.

Issues with this Kenyan Drake running back at Arizona's dealing with a foot hamstring problem right now from Miles Sanders up in Philadelphia, and they've got him working off to the side. So if you're the Cowboys, do you play a Marii Cooper September thirteen on a new term that you've never been at in Sofi Stadium in Inglewood, California. Mccrete what you feel about that? It depends because you know, since they're not really telling us much about what it is.

If he has a hamstring injury or growing injury, I do not play him because I don't want him to miss the next five weeks, just risking him for a week one. So it just depends on how serious the injury is and where it's actually located. He has a twisted ankle or something he rolled it, I think he's fine, he'll be ready for Week one. But it was anything with a soft tissue or hamstring growing something that can linger throughout the entire season, I wouldn't risk playing him.

I would let him get fully healthy and then get back out there on the field because we've seen it happen with guys like Sean Lee where you're just eager to get back out there, and you come back out there too early, and then you hurt yourself after you just missed two weeks, and then now you have to miss another four weeks and you know, before you notice half the season. So don't rush them if it's one

of those injuries. Just let them get healthy and get out there and be a hunte million dollar man once it's time. Yeah, you know, I don't think they should to rush him back to me if it's still kind of bother them even a little bit. I think they set them out there. Just set them out week one. I mean, they're going against my Rams defense that you know, it wasn't entirely bad last year, but it wasn't the greatest defense of all times. So I think they can

afford to set him out. They got enough firepower in the offense, I think to defeat the Rams. We'll also get to see if he does sit down, We'll get to see you know, ceedee Lamb out there. We'll get to see Michael Gallup as that that number one receiver if he if he sits out, So I think that it will just put a little bit more added pressure on the CD Lambs of the World, if Lake Jarwin's

and the Michael Gallups. But if it's a lingering issue, then, like mcrai said, I definitely would not put him out there because we've seen what happens in the past before. What guys think their hamstrings are okay, and they go out there and try to you know, go all out, and they pop it again and then next thing you know, they're out for the whole season, or they're out for six or seven weeks. So if it's a lingering issue,

don't put him out there. Let your other two studs that receiver take his place, and we'll see him later on in the season. Look, I've been high on Michael Gallup. You guys know how I feel about him. I think he's a great player in the Cowboys. And you know they've said this to the media, Hey, we feel like we've got three number one receivers. They consider Michael Gallup a number one guy. And I don't think people are

talking enough about Gallup being in his third season. And you guys, being former players, know that third year is when you really have is when it kind of really you turn it on your rookie years A blur. Second year, you kind of have familiar but by year three, you're able to just play. You're not thinking as much as just playing, especially if it's that same system and it's three years of rapport with with Gallup and Dak Prescott.

And I just think Michael's gonna have a really nice season because he's gonna see a lot of one on one coverage. And I just think this kid is gonna be be a player this year. And people will say, oh, yeah, yeah, we forgot about this guy, but I clearly haven't forgot about it because I think he's a heck of a young talent. Yeah, I believe like a heck of a young cop. I don't know. You're good, Danny, You're good like that. This year, you think he's gonna have a better,

better year statistically than thing? Cool? You know what, I feel a little hostility. This goes back in the last year back I told you Coop was hurt. Last year, I told you both he was hurt, and you alreadn't want to believe me. And then you come and you find out that hey man, Coop was Coop was really hurt. He didn't say anything. So um, your question, Um, it's

interesting to interesting question. I would say that they'll be close because last year, if you look at their numbers both last year they were close and both guys missed some time here. So it's gonna be interesting, man, because if they're both healthy, then Gallup's gonna be the guy that see single coverage. And so Gallup is the guy seeing single coverage if I'm doc, I'm going to I'm going to thirteen with the ball. Yeah, he read about that, and I'm you know, I think, you know, Gallup reminds

me a lot of of a Juju Smith Schuster. Um. I think he can, you know, if he had that able to, you know, excel unbelievably. But he needs that other guy out there to kind of take the coverage away from him so he can excel. So he reminds me of Juju Smith Schuster. But I think he will have a solid year this year. All right, So Danny, I'm sorry that your your fantasy team is already having issues before we get to week one here. Um, just bad man, just bad, gonna be Leonard Fournetz, gonna be

a backup of Mary Cooper's hurt. I got Drew Brees from a QB. So I'm gonna be alright in that in that regard, but I'm worried about my receiver and my running back, well Drew Brees. I had him last year, he got hurt. So he's forty plus years old. So just hope he doesn't take any hits here we go. Maybe long as somebody's getting Michael Thomas the ball, I'm good. Let me live, let me let me live. You better, you better hope they don't have to put out what's that? Uh? Um?

Who's that back hill? You talk about? The running bat man? I hope they don't put him out there, old Tim Tebow, Old Tim tebow Man. You better hope they bring in Winston before they run out Taysom Hill, because otherwise be thoas that's gonna be be in trouble here. Um yeah, big fan, big big fan of of of of Thomas. Hire all right, Players Lounge brought to you by hotels dot Com. Church. I'm sure you use them as you went out to your badaway spot in Tahoe. So good, Audia,

without a question, without a question. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be able to get this great deal on his room I'm in right now, so shout out the hotel dot com. All right, it's not a player's loud show without me taking some sideswipe at somebody who used to coach here for the Capital. So Chris Beam, I need you to queue up this. This sound from head

coach Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy was talking about his relationship with offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, and what McCarthy said struck me because I'm like, sure, never heard that from Jason Garrett when he was around here. So go ahead and play the cut. I came here on my interview. You know, Kellen Moore was part of my initial thought process to put the staff in place, So I mean this was a a day one decision, so from a big picture of putting together you know, not only the coaching staff,

but the offensive staff. All right. So so McCarthy is, you know, he's letting he's letting Kellen Moore do his thing. And he even talked about I don't want to step on telling Moore's toes. He's empowering killing Moore. Boy, I feel real good about this head coach. Is what happens to bring any Super Bowl winning head coach fellas, now start drinking and start drinking to kool ai on coach McCarthy,

start drinking it. So you're saying that Jason Garrett was in Killing Moore's way last year, Um, you know what, man, that was sad and numerous times said numerous times. We all know how we went him at Callahan. We all know how when with him at Callahan. So I know when they said it when any game with killing Moore, you know what, saying his offense didn't seem creative and

he made some bad calls. That's when Jason Garrett was calling the place the other games when the guy looked creative and was bringing everything from Boys and State, that's when Killing Moore was calling things on his own and Jason Garrett was out of his way. That has to be what was going on, because Kellen Moore couldn't have been the guy called on the players when we were down twenty one points and couldn't score a touchdown in those big games that would have got us to the playoffs.

Couldn't have been him, Hey, man, couldn't have been him. I'm just I'm just happy to hear that a guy who's won a Super Bowl is saying this about the offensive coordinator and his confidence in a young man. So this is why, by the way, gentlemen, when you could pick up your Dallas Morning newspaper as they unfailed their their NFL special where I gave my predictions for each division winner, super Bowl winner, and a Cowboy prediction, I've got the Cowboys at I think it was ten and six.

I got the Cowboys in ten and six winning the division. Yes, yeah, tenant six. I was gonna go eleven, but then Cooper's been hurt, the two tackles have had issues, Shot Lee's been out, got questions in the safety spot. So I didn't want to go there. But I gave him ten wins and the Cowboys winning the NFC East because I believe in the head coaches. The head coaches gonna go ahead and make up those two games that the previous head coach couldn't get to last year. So bam, there

we got two extra wins. That's ten right there. You always want to do the head guy or the head coach, even as a player, to say, you know, we have all the confidence in the world if you take this offense or take this you know this team to the next level. So it had definitely has great influence on what Keller Moore assets going to do and say out there, and it's probably gonna be like, hey, the team has my back, so I'm gonna go out there and give him my off. But we'll see how long that lasts.

And they started out, you know, one in three or something like that. We want We're gonna see how long it takes. Hey, look, we talked about we talked about that last year, and now we said that you think McCarthy go get fired because of Keller Moore? You crazy? Okay? I got response. All right, I've got a response to that, and I'll have that response for you after this break. Right here, all the players louds on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hey, they're Cowboys fans with Ty Cleaners at

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All right, mccraig, here's my retort. So let's just say, following what you said that, all right, maybe the Cowboys are one in three and Kellen Moore is not exactly calling the plays right. Well, Mike McCarthy has experience in this League and Mike McCarthy's won the Super Bowl calling play so I have all the confidence in the world if Mike McCarthy has to go ahead and take that place sheet, Mike McCarthy can go ahead and dial it up. Baby,

good times are here. I'm not worried. I have my photographer, Noah Bullet tell me. He's like, man, you're just drinking his cool aid on. Coach McCarthy, go you just drink? I said, yes, I am just go ahead and boor it all on me. Man, Yes, crazy that new come. So you're telling me we were praising. So you were

praising McCarthy forgive me killing more. All the confidence in the world and all the praise, and the dude go out there of a sixteen game season and lose three games his first his second year calling plays, And you're telling me you got confidence and you're feeling is McCarthy is gonna snatch the playbook from him and start calling plays himself. I just said, based on what you said, you asked the question. You asked the question. So if there happens to be a problem, I have all the

confidence world that the head coach will fix it. No. Look, the last time I was this sold on the Cowboys coach. Well, Bill Parcel's got here. Ah, man, you drinking the cool as like man, the real coach up in here. And guess what happened. Parcels was successful here. So you guys should go ahead and listen to me on this. I'm just gonna tell you, and I've been. I've been. I

was here before y'all, I was here after y'all. I'm just telling you right now, I got We're saying McCarthy, the little cool a you just you drinking it too fast. I'll tell you what. Nui over there drinking and all the kool aid to pop anything anything you can put them. But so we're saying, if if McCarthy has like the run that Parcels has here, would that be considered successful?

Um hm oh no, no, no, no, listen. Here's how I have to because I go back and remember now, Parcels got here after Campbell had three five and eleven seasons, So Parcels had to come here and they really had to re help rebuild this whole program. And what are the things that Parcels had done. It's like, look, we need to establish a blueprint of who we want to be and how we want to run this program, what

kind of players we want. I mean they went to just switching the defenses from four to three the first year two a three to four. McCarthy's coming into a situation where there is talent here. Parcels had to go acquired talent. And they also went through a whole quarterback issue where when Parcels took the job, Jerry said, hey, look I got these two young quarterback I want you to go ahead, work with a Quincy Carter and and

Chad Hutchinson. You know you don't have that problem. Mark McCarthy walked in here, it had a Pro Bowl quarterback ready to go and Dak prescott um. So it's different situations. I think the test for McCarthy truly is getting this team to a super Bowl during his run. That's it, you know, the four he needs to get this team to a super Bowl. That that is not win it. I'm just saying, get it there. That to me's the bar from Mike McCarthy, which what I expected, what every

Cowboy fan should expect from me. He has to, in my opinion, get them to this at least to the super Bowl, because I mean when when we measure coaches who have coached for the Dallas Cowboys, we don't measure them by you know, division championships or even playoff appearances. We measure them by what we measure them by winning

Super Bowls or getting to the big Dance. So if I'm if I'm Mike McCarthy, I mean that's I gotta get there or else he's gonna be, you know, another No disrespect because I feel like Jason Garrett was a great coach, but he's gonna be another Jason gar or Parcels who were able to or who are able to just win. Yes, they were able to win the divisional games and and they weren't able to take it to the big game. He has to do that or else he's going to be considered another j G. I mean,

what's the difference between what they've done? How cans in great? How can you say Jason's great when he presided over the feudalist decade of Cowboy playoff wins. Ever, that was his thing. I mean, nobody had over run and produced less than Jason Garrett. No, we're saying that's all on Garrett. Though, we're saying that's all on great you know what ten years, how many how many assistance did he go through? How many cistans did he go through? How many quarterbacks did

you have? Was good playing? How many good players did you have? It around? Man? So what did Parsel do and his in his tenure here with the part exactly? Oh you guys, you guys about to make me come through the screen with this blasphem quity. Carter, then Church, you're always moving the gold post. Knew it. You're moving the gold post for man. I'm telling I'm out here telling truths, gentleman. Bias the truth. It's a it's a failure.

It's a failure if he does what Parcels did right, if he doesn't make the super that's what he asked you. If he doesn't make it to the super Bowl, is he considered to be something like Bill Parcels was because you talked about Bill Parcels or run here like he was just the greatest thing ever? Yeah, he's knowing when Romo fumbled the Romo fumbled the field gold that's what that was his accomplishment Like that was I mean, this is this is crazy, this is crazy. So yeah, so

you keep making this comparison to to Parcels. So I'm like, hello, so McCarthy. Then then when you bring it up, he said, oh it's different, it's different. This different, now it's different. Okay, let me have the floor, jam Can I have the floor right now? Okay, go ahead. Since Jimmy Johnson, since Jimmy Johnson left here, these are the cowboy coaches. I want you to to tell me who is the most had had the best run here? So they had Chan, they went to Chan Gaily, then they went to Dave Campo,

then they went to um Parcels. Then you had Uca Way Wade, Phillip Steve had Jason Garrett. Of those five, who had the best run? Who is the best coach of us those five? Your opinion? Jason Garrett, I only played for one, so I'm going when I got fired half, yeah, I'm minus. I think I subtract two of those. I think it's either one or two of those seasons. I will not count the season where Tony Romo goes down and we have Matt Castle as our quarterback and we

go four and too. I will not count that. It's whoa whoa, whoa whoa. Not count Philadelphia and at their quarterback go down but Carson Wentz, who was putting up MVP numbers, and they went ahead and with the Super Bowl, lost their left tackle and Jason Peters that year lost their starting UH the third down running back, and darrenk lost when when Tony Romo went When Tony Romo went down, he wasn't up for the MVP. This is early in the season. You second later like they had a whole season.

We had a whole season under our built and then all of a sudden, somebody came in at the ending and got us through the playoffs. He went down at the against the Eagles at to be the first time we played him. I think that was like week three. We played the rest of the season without him besides one game and he came back in and got hurt again. And I think another year he got hurt and we had Kidna in there. No no offense to Kidna, but this was we didn't have our starting guys in there.

This this is your full team and your coaching and you're trying to hey man, next guy up, and all that we all know, next guy up doesn't pertain the quarterbacks. It just doesn't. Nick Folk that that was that was an anomaly what Nick Foles did, because we've seen what happened when he got to Jacksonville, and then we're gonna see what happened when against the Chicago all right, So so we're not counting, we're not counting those that's not right.

That ain't right. All I all I know is they lost a bunch of guys off that Eagles team and they went ahead and won the Super Bowl. But you all want to discount that. You just want to discount that means that Carson Wentz had already got them ready. They was already they was already good and going. They was. He was going for the MVP already. Tony Romo got hurt in a win against the Eagles, I want to say, and week got three. It was week two, Week two, so we played the rest of the season with Matt

Castle as our quarterback except came back. Yeah, Brandon weedon, you you're gonna count that against jag Come on, man, come on. So okay, So then, but but then you want to count what happened with Dak Prescott. And I give him all the credit in the world there, because they were actually trying to get Nick Foles to come and Nick Foles had said no, but he got Jason Garrett. I give him the credit. He got Dak Prescott ready to go and ended up winning, winning the division, saved

his job, the whole whole thing there. So I mean, come on, now, come on, if you're gonna get got to kick the blame too. Take the blame from back Castle versus back Preston to do person. I'm the dude was a rookie and Tony Rummos could have came back in at any time like he was been healthy and this to come back and play this ain't the same his mat Castle all you this is this is the true show. Friends. Then you got showing your friendship for Jason. I get that, I get that, I get your loyalty,

but I'm talking about business. So I would swear you and Mike McCarthy penpus based on based on our show talking about friendship. I think I'll talk to him. Have you took into two sisters? Shit, this is not This is not Mike McCarthy from twenty ten who had you know? This ain't this? I mean, this ain't him. We're gonna see the gonna see. In fact, we're gonna trying to hide, trying to hide his plays. Good. Look at that count. You look at that Green Bay team and all the guys.

They ended up losing all their way as a wild car to the Super Bowl, and goss guys. During that Super Bowl Gang Donald Driver got hurt, Woodson got hurt, and he still won a championship. But that's fine because it ended. No, No, he didn't get hurt. No, he didn't get what was the MVP that year or two? But okay, I don't think he was the MVP that he was the next year when they were that he was Week two. This man's gonna count the season against the cup and then the very next year that coach

took us to the It is crazy. This is crazy. Huh. Look, you know, man, not I at the end of the day, I already given you my ten wins, and they're gonna make the East here, okay, they're gonna win the East, sou I'm standing by that. H Yes, I'm drinking the kool a. I'm gonna get me some blue asberry and gonna make it here in the house, my McCarthy kool aid, and it would be just fine. You know what. Listen, I hope we win this good this see this Cowboys

candle Okabra lighted this year. I'm gonna light it this year, and you know, Mike McCarthy's gonna answer the prayers. You're gonna deliver miracle for Cowboy fans because the Cowboys are gonna actually look good. They'll be well coached on Sundays. And I consider out here watching the Special Teams look like a firehouse drill where everybody's losing. You see some progress up in here, and that's fine. So light of MNA. Light the candle for Matt Big Mac and I'm buying it,

and you need to buy it. Two out there Cowboy Nations to go ahead and listen to me the real coach in town. First one, since parcels will be all good. Oh Gar hired Keith Jason Garret hired Keith o quinn and coach the Special teams as well, because that's that's what I got, you I got. He hired Paul Alexander to remember remember that Paul Alexander him. You forgot about that? This he goes? What's wrong with him? At Jason gear Man, I think we were happening toam Man. When did y'all

go to school together? He did something team, something happened, something he denied an interview request, or something something Actually that that's not true at all. In fact, Jason and I, I'll tell you this, Jason and I we did a very good story on his love of Bruce Springsteen. We sat down and he took me through it because I'm not I'm I'm not a big Bruce Springsteen person, but I appreciate the work. And you know, Jason died into man.

He was really good. And I'm telling you, man, I think Jason would be an excellent head coach in college where you go ahead and recruit the players and you left the coaches kind of do your thing like your boy coach. Oh lsu, I think I'm not listening to this. How many momentutes don't have to listen to this, such a backhanded comment talking about, yeah, he would be a good college coach, but you know, he just can't motivate the men in the NFL. I'm done with that. I'm

done with this. I can't believe listen, he has a special place of dislike for DZ Brian and Jason Geart and and I'm gonna start figuring out the rest of the names on this list. But it's those two games right there. Those always get negative responses when they when they're brought up to NEWI scrugs, what I said, What I say about that, What I say about that recently? Other Man, he didn't need to come back on this team. You said, first of all, you said, he not, he

not playing this year. He needs to stop releasing his videos. Blah blah blah, all this us. You know, come on, man, let them, let them man. And he fosted another video yesterday. By the way, New he just just in case you thought he was running from running from people wa seeing him play San Francisco, he was running around San Francisco.

Watch they got so many, so many injuries at wide receiver in San franc I'm saying, this has a chance to end up in San franc catching whatever balls that Jimmy Garrow a little throw, because maybe the three or four him that he throw per game. But he got a chance. I don't know. I don't know. I ain't buying, but but they I mean, that's a whole different subject. Okay, I'm gonna be surprised. Man dance and get him a shot in to play in the league again. All the

spent back. Okay, So so so let me ask this Danny on this whole San fran dance to San Francisco, Um, do you know what happened to the rad what happened with the Ravens? Do we know? Now? They said, you know, they weren't They weren't ready. That's how they weren't ready to pull the trap like like you said he'd be, he'd be one of those guys to get picked picked up after a game once. So the salary is not guaranteed. We'll see, we'll see. I ain't drinking that cool that yeah,

but I am drinking the garret cool. I think he's gonna do big things in New York. Ain't gonna do big changes. Church Church, Yo, Church has has knew he said what the bet is because he owed like it's been three weeks he's supposed to make this bet. He's gonna try to wait till the last minute and then do a bet that's in his favor and yeah, and try to get you know, we're not doing that. Put a deadline. We gotta put a deadline on it because because just say a notice to all those folks who

who enjoy the players. Last we starting on Tuesday. We're going every day Monday through Friday. So so we're gonna take Monday Labor Day off, so starting on Tuesdays, on Tuesday, Wednday, Thursday, Friday, we got the players lands. All right, we're go move it to two thirty pm Central time. So I've got days to come up with this before this bet you want to make. And I can't remember what he weeks ago, m I mean Thursday the deadline, but all but that's fine.

I mean whatever I have to do to put it down from a card thing, because I'm sure, okay, I'm putting it down from a carth either way. So you were mind me of what it is that needs to happen. Because I got all the faith, Big Matt gonna go ahead and get this done. For it. You're gonna be like, man, do what you right? No? No, no, no, that's good. No listen. See that's why we can't wait till the last minute. Because I said the Cowboys gonna win. They're going to eleven and five this year, so I already

believe that we're gonna do well. So you're not gonna I'm not gonna make a bet that goes against that. So then what am I betting here? I don't understand? What what what? What do you want to see? See this? This is this is what happens. This is this is what happens when you're supposed to make a bet three months ago and then you post the phone and even get what we're even talking about? You know what I'm going on here? I forgot because it's the pettiness of you.

It's the it's the LSU and you that's so petty. So what is it you want from me? Man? What you want? I want another meal? Bro? I want another meal? You still owe me one? So we got I owe you? I want three? That's what I want? Oh wait, hold so he ain't never come through with the meal yet? No, you know Covid gottas, Man, Covid gottas. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, No, I paid up the first one. I paid up the first one, so Corona then hit so I couldn't pay the second. So what is the best That's the other

thing I've confused about. Man, what's the news I gave? I gave you. I'm giving you a chance to bet on whatever you want to bet on. That I that I'm not already like in favor of to win something. At first it was Daz. I said, Danz was gonna gonna he was gonna somebody's gonna take him to try him out, and then somebody's gonna put him on the team. I believe that I beat you on the on the Dak Prescott not getting a full time contract. I mean, what else? What else do you want to take a

chance on. I'm giving I'm giving you the option. But you can't say that the Cowboys gonna be successful because I already said they're going to eleven and five. Okay, then I don't know what else you want because you know I'm about these positive bets. Why why don't you say no? How about this? How about how about this? Because earlier in the podcast you said that Michael Gallop that's an interesting question because Michael Gallop could possibly have

better numbers than a Mark Cooper. Are you willing to wager that I wouldn't do it? I wouldn't do it. This is Gallup versus Cooper. I'm just giving you options. I'm giving you options, Nui, that's all because you sound like you don't if you if you if you don't want to do it, that's fine, I just take my two sisters and I'd be two and over for the rest of my life. Just think about it, Nuie, for a little bit. That's it. You got told Thursday. Think

about it for a little bit. You know, if there's something you need to to make you feel good with you, if you need this, some type of bet for us to keep this entertaining, for you to do this podcast, and fine, I'm I'm good with that you want to do. If you want to do something on the desk to San Francisco dream you just came up with, that's fine, Gallup Cooper, That's fine. I'm good with it, man, I'm good with it. I'm all right, I'm listening. I don't want to I don't want to convince you to do

to do a deal verse. Okay, I'll finish two and though I'm the champ, thank you, Okay, okay, all right, Look, I'm glad you're winning this. Since you're not winning your fancy football all times, we should getting something that you could feel good about. It ain't even start it yet. We didn't even get to to the to the Trade Digs video I wanted to get to. So well, we'll do that. Uh, we'll have to get that done on Tuesday.

But the rookie corner from Alabama roll Tide uh is starting to to you know, get it a little bit. And I feel good about that. And that's something that the Cowboys need. You give you give Mike Nolan one good corner and they're gonna be okay. Um, especially this pass rush comes around the way we want to. So remember everybody, starting on Tuesdays two thirty pm. Write it down church, putting your phone Tuesday to thirty. Okay, we have a show Soday, Friday, players Lass, we have shows.

I'll be able to get my golf in the morning. Yeah, so we'll entertain more of of of Danny and Danny's uh dreams of bets and so we'll get into that. But write it down ten to six Cowboys when the division's go come out the Alice Morning News. Way have our little selections and picks. So I'm there, I'm in there,

confident of it and drinks. I'll have some blue kool Aid next time we do the show, as I do the shot from the kool aid, and I will light this Cowboys Mike McCarthy candle and keep it little Sundays as you will. Hope you right now? Ye yes you of course, our jobs are a lot better when it when they win. You go. You know what y'all gonna say? Man, you should have fired Jason three years ago. Should have done a little man. Yes, we're gonna end the show

just going that he's hanging out Tahoe. I'm knew he scraped. He's Danny mccraig from our virtual SBCWUM Mortgage Virtual Studios. Thanks everybody for checking us out. Thank you Hotels dot com Who smarts the show? This is the players last. We'll talk to you Tuesday, two thirty Social time right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. This has been a production Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club