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Newy Scruggs, Danny McCray and Barry Church debates Pro Football Hall of Fame members and candidates, discuss the possible return of WR Dez Bryant to the Cowboys and more on this episode of the Player's Lounge!

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The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the player's loud broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and new he scrugs. It is that time, Friday mclock in Frisco, Texas, and we're back together, yes again, all three of us. Barry Church, yes, so he's back into building. Danny McCray in the house.

These guys former players for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Newi scrugs, a long time sports anchor here in the Dallas for UR Theory. So we are going to entertain you for an hour with a whole lot of different topics you've got to get to, from Eli Manning to Byron Jones,

Antonio Brown, Brian possibly coming back into building. But let us start with something that I found very interesting on social media, especially Twitter, is that's going on they entertainment between the NFC champion San Francisco forty nine, the Hot Boys and the Dallas Cowboys and the Hot Boy one z. That's the difference, yes, zing the Boys and the Hot Boys. So Tank is basically the CEO of the Hot Boys, right,

and he deserves to be. And Tank is selling Hot Boys T shirts, Hot Boys sweatshirts, Hot Boys, Beanie CD right eating opened up a little shop. He is very protective of the name. Well, the San Francisco forty nine ers defense calls themselves the Hot Boys, and they put two z's on the end. So Tank is out there on Twitter this week claiming that they're basically imposters and that he's trademarked the name and the dig, you know,

basically saying there will be a cease and desist. And of course the forty nine are faithful jumped on him. Aren't in the playoffs. They're in the Super Bowl, you guys. I mean they Tank and Company getting lit up now here was poor old Jalen Smith just trying to fly to the Pro Bowl and trying to He's on the plane with a Hot Boys being he Tank tweets it out and then Jalen gets dragged in Twitter comments manages

straight col in. The forty nine are fans just trolling and with each incident it just gave just put more fuel. It takes take is tweeting back and it's just and I had a long time NFL writer, Uh, send me a DM. It just said, what's going on here? But what what is going on? And just his premise was, this is the problem of the cowboys worrying about the wrong thing. Where is the substance? You're worried about a style and a brand. This is this is what I'm getting.

Somebody said it wasn't. No, I'm just telling you some veteran NFL scribe said and and and that a conversation needed to be had with the head coach of Hey, this is what your locker room is is like where you've got guys worried about brands in merch and not enough on the winning the style versus the substance. So that is where we start off. Now, I throw it to the floor. Let me tell you something, Brook, This is the same tank has been doing this with everything.

The hot Boys didn't start this year, the same stats in play that got him the Honey million. It was the same hot boys, all right. So I don't have nothing to do with his performance that he's tweeting this out and taking this that series. Also, it's the offseason. You're right, we're not in the playoffs. What should he be doing marketing himself and making some money off the field. He also tweeted out we are more than just players. He's starting a business, trying to start a legacy, and

this is his thing. All right now. I will say I'm in a tough position because Cohen Alexander is a LSU guy and he's also trying to trade mark the two z's. He's trying to trade mark. But I'm in Dallas, all right, so I know the Hot Boys to be the guys that walk around in this locker room. Playoffs are not. This is that was their things. So he gotta right to feel the way you do. And if he trademarked it and he making bread off of it, yeah,

get off of it. Outside of football. This is business pursuing, right, I mean, he got all rights to trademark his brand. He's the Hot Boy Ambassador, he's the CEO all this stuff. I just don't understand the fort of course they know the Dallas Cowboys are called the Hot Boys. Why go ahead and sit there and say, let me let me take that name. You can't be more creative, Like, come on, man,

this is Z and the name. And it gets worse because we know that the Cowboys are this big brand have a lot of sponsors and all this stuff, and other companies have sent the Cowboys gifts with hot Boys on there, right, So it's not like it's just their thing where they're like, nah, we even train. Yes, there are big brands in here who are buying into this and it's already been made. They're doing this now. It is good. This is good. I'm glad when we handcu

there's video what is the original hot Boy juvenile? So Julie the Great Julie they are the new hot Boys and gave the blessing and permission to Quan Alexander. That changes everything. That changes everything. Man. If Julie the Great, the original president hot Boy says, you know what, y'all got my blessings and they ain't cross the country. They ain't like you know they they right next to that

changes that, Listen. I said, like I said, I just wanted to I wanted to put the geography into play here, all right, What school did Quan Alexander go to? Where is Julie where this is? So? Of course, like that's like if if Joe Burrow or somebody else they went to LSU saying something about something that Boosey says in the song. Of course he's gonna co sign it Louisiana. But that still don't take away the fact that they wasn't a big thing until the markus Lawance called him

the hot boys. He started this, ain't read the beef And of course, of course Julie gonna hop on look at him. Nobody was talking about Julie. But the last time you will, the last time you told him, I got listen, I got respect for the songs. You know what I'm saying. But when it up bad. Listen, when the last time you mentioned j Now just like I'm not respect, I'm just saying we didn't know nothing. Nobody was thinking about mattering it right now. He just gat

he just gave out the name. Huh, he just he just the name was already gone gave He said that you all can use here boys, you all the new by two zis because because because the court is saying that d lauding them is the Onesia and the public of the court. Did the court say that yet it's trademark that saying that you had said no season de sensive and ain't trademark morning and the course they're gonna get it. Let me tell you so public course the

Hot Boys than guy. So this is the equivalent when Um with two Live crew leader Luther Campbell was using Luke Skywalker and then George Lucas Lucas film came in and then he had to go to Uncle Luke. That's right, that's what happened to him. So he was using Luke Skywalker and take some I can almost tell you exactly what d Law is thinking. Who cares what you now talking about? It? We are, but we've been saying this.

He went, do not want talking none of that when they was calling themself dot but maybe because he's not a fan of the cowboys. But just so out of Spike, you get you're gonna give somebody the right to use hot But now the courts did that. The courts gave him the right. By Juvie, I'm gonna say this fact that the forty nine is tried to take the Hot Boys name from the from the Cowboys when they could have had their own. There's so many other You gotta

be more creative than that, man. That's the one thing I'm gonna give it for. But Juvie talking about Dad, they deserved to get it. Judie says it, you know, Julie the Great and everybody and everybody boys, c C. He said, that's the way here. That's where he believed that. Fine, I'm not you know what I'm saying that that's but if he believed that everybody should believe, you know, whatever they do, So that's fine. I mean he believes in it.

But one Z the one. I'm ones, but everybody and listen, everybody making money out there, man, go if you gotta start the trademark and you want separate streams and in call dude, you got a new d law. I appreciate what you're doing trying to get everybody out there to find other streams of revenue and show them that you have more than athlete. Shout out to you. By the way, Quan has got a whole bunch of new merchancs with Hot Boys University. So so let's see where the speaking

of hot boys. Didn't Taco start Hot Boys? I think he did. I think Taco started, and then then Tank just kind of just kind of took it over. Just so so now Quan taking it from a d law, it's how all these things, you know what happens. Easy created NWA, but it was Ice Cub just putting all the music and writing all the lyrics. Rain had the beats, and so you know this, it is what it is that the Hot Boys and Kwan Alexander will be playing in the super Bowl, so they will have an ultimate stage,

especially if they win this game. Go ahead and get a jump on the merchandise. But really, and they still won't sell merchandise than law now and and this is going to be interesting on how much and how they're going to use this week because you already see it right now, how much they're gonna be able to use this week to get them saves because people want to

wear winners. People want to wear Let me tell you how crazy this is though, because everybody speaks about like Jerry Jones or being this marketing genius and all that. The Cowboys not in the playoffs, not in the super Bowl, look at this, They will be in Super Bowl talks and merchandise be merchandise being purchased just because of the forty nine ers and the Cowboys old vary. Now they're

gonna be buying all the Hot Boys gears, Danny. This goes back to what I talked about before, and this has been a criticism of the Cowboys, the style versus a substance, that there's been so much put into style, but when do you come with the substance to go back with it? Because yes, I remember Zeke and Das rookie year when they were telling the two one four shirts and I was over there at the Cowboys plant.

We did a story for NBC Dallas. I mean they could not that mean, the presses were going, they had people working overtime. You could not get out a Zeke shirt, a Zeke jersey, a dakh or the two one four and me would just move. You take that winning combined with the brand, boom is good, and that to me, that's where if I was a Cowboys player, man, I'd be working like crazy because could you imagine what type of opportunities would come if they're in a super Bowl.

When you think about it, the how Boys, it's big. They go to the playoffs last year, I mean they lose in the Rams. But my whole thing is when people say, like how much marketing and all this stuff, and they focus on you know, money and all, how does making two one four effect the way that Dak and Zeke play the game the way that the game is coached. When they say that what I'm saying, it doesn't right to me. And my mind is like the dudes, they ain't think about something them t searchs when they

out there on the field. Well, that's not the reason he missed the past. That's not the reason Zeke. People say that. People say that the Cowboys focus too much on the brand instead of just focusing on what football is. They talk about the building and all this other stuff, and I'm like, well, what that they still outside on the practice field, practice work. Let me put the disclaimer in on the whole two one four that was the Cowboys. They did that. Dak and Zeke didn't have any taking this.

This isn't endeavor by by Tank. You know, this is his own thing I'm saying. But the history of it is the Cowboys. People understand, because this is not me. If you notice, you don't see stars on this at all. In fact, they don't even really use blue was there man, Because this is a total separate thing. Entity wants it to beat all right. He wants to do more than just play play football, right, because because sometimes people don't

understand it that becomes a part of NFL branding. There was one player here who tried to do something, and this player had a fantastic brand, and he tried to sell some shirts and was using Cowboy the Cowboys stars color right. They had to come and tell him, now, yeah, we like you, but make your own thing. He's up. Now he's something outside of the Cowboys. He has us him. Okay, so let's move on from the hot Boys and we'll see exactly who wins the Super Bowl between the forty

nine Ers and the kans Chiefs. We'll do that next Friday. We'll come up with our picks and we'll see where we go. By the way, the Kansas City Chiefs case some of your youngsters don't know, started off in Dallas. They were the Dallas Texans, owned by Dallas businessman Lamar Hunt played one year and the Cowboys also started in nineteen sixty, so both franchises started in nineteen sixty. The Texans were in the AFL, the American Football League, Cowboys

in the NFL. Lamar Hunt in it up, taking his team after one year up to Kansas City and they have been there since. So there is a Dallas connection and the Hunt. The Hunts still live in Dallas from where they not relocated to Kansas City at all, so they are still right here. So does my boy Clay One, who will be playing in the super Bowl this year, Anthony hitchings Man. We got some we got some former Cowboys on a super Bowl. So I guess we're all

going for the Chiefs. But next week, next week we'll put in our scores, we'll make the prediction of me. I'm hoping the Chiefs win as well. Will you be making middle bet because I'm just gonna win. I'm just talking about the popular to wait for springtime. I told you want to sit outside. I just spent all week in North Carolina. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I couldn't take care of you. He won the Higsman a month ago.

Last week, about a week se World while I was I was gonna I was going to slow play doubling nothing in the clipson, and he almost got me to do it, and I thought about it. I thought, I can, I can, just you know, I just wait on Dabbo to come on up in here and go double nothing to get clut the brakes gate off. So that was mitt January, so it was min Mi January. And then I just said to my nun, I don't believe that much. Not in New Orleans, you know, not in New Orleans.

Not We're not gonna talk about LSU. But don't sound like that, Sweeney. It's our own game. They came out, they played where they got beat, all right, not location is you know what, Look, if we're just using common sense, anybody who was gonna pick against LSU and New Orleans was dumb. Anyway, this is where they have one championship, this is this is as home field as it gets. But at the same time, everybody knew coming into the year where it was. Everybody know, everybody knows. Nobody was

complaining the beginning of the year. I mean, it is what it is. They could have played at Clemson and Clemson wouldn't won that game. I'm not gonna disagree with, thank you, But my thing of just the whole Hey, you all you knew, you knew, you know exactly where it's gonna be. So and and I'm sure at the beginning of the year, if you said, hey, all right, we're gonna make it back to the championship game, but we got to go to Louisiana the Superdome and face LSU.

Anybody want to go. Everybody's gonna raise a hand and clips and say we're gonna go. So but that's but that's but that's also he understand dabble. He's he lives and has lived off hey man with an underdog, even though I mean that's just him. He was right. All right, Let's dive into Eli Manning, who within the last hour officially retired from the New York Giants. So you guys have spent those games playing against Eli Manning, give me your Eli thoughts for me. I thought Eli. I thought

Eli was a good quarterback. M I did intercept him twice, so things shout out to Eli for that one, but appreciate you. But yeah, I think he was a good quarterback. Man. He led his team. He showed up in the biggest games that mattered and the playoff runs. I'm not sure if that any other quarterback has had success in the playoffs like he's had beside you know, Tom Brady and those guys. But I feel like Eli is a great quarterback.

He plays great in the clutch and above everything else, he beat the Dynasty twice in the Super Bowl so um, and he didn't. He did it with just you know, he had Plexico birds. He had I forget the guy with the helmet Cashman, he had him. He had a David Tyree and mab brash Jack anything like he had World Beaters. He didn't have Randy Mahas out there. He didn't have all these guys out there, and he was still able to perform at a high level. His first

Super Bowl he had a great defense. Second one, I'm not so sure about, but I think he was a great quarterback and Hall of Fame kind of second guessing it, but I think he gets in maybe second or third ballot. Yeah, I'm not even gonna get into the Hall of Fame talk. I'm not sure we need to as far as as far. I got one pickoff Eli as well, But I think I think he was a good quarterback. I think he

played well. Like you said that clutch Gene, he did have a great team around him, but we've seen quarterbacks with great teams around him still not be able to come up and come up with it an end, and he did that twice, right, So holding nothing against Eli.

I think it was great. It was a little sad to see how it ended for him of those last two years, you know, with getting benched and coming back, but I think with him finally accepting it, being able to retire and move on to something else, I'm happy for him. Good luck to him and whatever he does next. Let's go back into what has been next and that's

his is Eli Manning Hall of Famer. And I'm just going to reference exactly what you both said because I made sure I wrote it down, because I've started to do this now when when people talk about Eli Manning, you first said good, you said good, later on you said great, depending on the moment. Yeah, he was a good in the regular season. When he got to those stretches where he had to be, he was great. One

seventeen and one seven. That's the only guy. And to me, and I don't know if you've guys ever been to Canton, Ohio, And I've been there. I used to live in Cleveland. I mean, it is a special place that's been there many times. It is at place for the greats. It's not a place for the good or the very good. It's great. No one is saying, really, Eli Manning had a great career. He had great moments, right, that's the

Super Bowl. Was a great moment to beat a New England Patriot team that was going to go down as the greatest team in NFL history. Yes, Eli Manning had a great game, ended up having another great finish in that Super Bowl. I was there in Indianapolis when they ended up beating New England and come came from behind. I mean, great performance. I just don't think great moments

eu equate a great career. I go back to just for Cowboy fans to make it really simple, when DeMarco Murray won the NFL Offensive Player of the Year is a free agent, I said, look, I don't think you should pay a great quarterback a great contract to a guy who had a great year because I don't believe DeMarco Murray is a great running back. I think he's a good running back who had a great year. I think Eli Manning was a good quarterback who had two great runs to win Super Bowls. I don't think that

puts him in camp. He never was an NFL Offensive Player of the Year, he was never an MVP, he was never first team All Blows. He had four Pro Bowls. I mean, you start talking about the Pro Bowls I think Tony had at least three maybe four same in his career. DA's already got two, and so the guy had some seasons where they were subpar led He led the league interceptions three years. I mean, I just I just think he's to me. When I think a Hall of Fame, I have to attach the word great to you.

Eli Manning was not a great player, so he's not getting in on your on you. I had a vote, I would not give it to Eli. How much you think super bowls way in when you're doing that voting projects. People have to be careful with these the Super Bowl things. What will happen in Eli's favor? He played for the New York Giants, and he will get because it's New York. And then New York beat New England and Bill Belichick the Dynasty twice. It's gonna sway a lot of people

that way. I was already I was listening to Trerest Payler of Yahoo NFL Sports and on his podcast, and he has a vote, and that stuff swayed his way. But he has what he calls this algorithm about all these things that he puts into you know, whether or not a guy should be in the Hall Boomer Sisson had a better number in his algorithm than he used. I go back to Jim Plunkett, and this is before your time. Jim Plunkett was the quarterbacks of the Raiders.

They were the first wildcard team to win a Super Bowl. They were a underdog against the Philadelphia Eagles and Super Bowl fifteen at the Superdome. They ended up winning that game twenty seven to ten. Then they end up in super Bowl eighteen. This is when Washington was already the defending champion. They had set a record for points score. That's when they had the fun buns. And this is a great ten head they had John Riggins me this was a great NFL team about to become a dynasty.

The Raiders on Black Sunday ended up beating the Brakes off of him and Marcus Allen was the MVP. But there's Jim Plunkett with two super Bowls. Oh, underdog in both games. You know it wasn't the MVP of any of the games. But still, this guy can't get in. This guy was a good quarterback who had two really great runs. So why do we change it for Eli Manning because he's in New York? Because we like him because he was a class player. He was also an

MVP into both of those Super Bowls. He's also manning, don't don't, don't, don't forget that. Get say he didn't, but he didn't. He didn't get dragged to his second super Bowl like Peyton did. I feel like in his second he won it. He won both of his supol He was the MVP and both of them. Yeah, the Nick Foles win Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, got an MVP, Nick Boles. This this is what I was saying with Nui. When you start talking about those type of things to

get you in. If you have a horrible, not okay regular season and then all of a sudden the playoffs, you become this great player and then your Super Bowl MVP and you win a super Bowl. So now Nick Voles has a Super Bowl mvper Bowl. I know what I'm saying. But even if you do it once, you have that on your record. So did you say just because you got that, you should be somewhere on the ballot. I think he should be Nick Vos, not Nick Voles. No,

I'm talking about Nick Voles. I'm saying. I'm saying so I'm saying, No, I'm not talking that saying that Eli shouldn't be whatever I'm saying. When you start talking about and you start listening to accolades, you have you have to think about the entirety of the career versus just that moment, like like knew he said, because you can go in and win the Super Bowl and win MVP and get a statue and all that stuff, but you're like Nick Foles not getting into the Hall of Fame.

So the entirety of what the the even records one seventy one, one seventy one, the entirety of his career, one seventeen, one seventeen, The entirety of that is what you got, which which one highways more two super Bowl, two super Bowl MVPs or the one seventeen the entirety of your career. There's a lot of missed playoff years there. And even when they won the first Super Bowl and it was a wild card team and granted Eli Manning

and that team went on a fantastic run. They beat Tampa and that was a you know, one of those Grutens teams towards the end. So then they go beat to Tampa. Then they come and face the Cowboys and number one seed at the stadium. They win that. Then they go to the NFC Championship game at lambeau Field. They get it done in over time. Then you face an undefeated New England Patriots team that's about to set a you know, a record for for wins ever and

actually they did in regular season wins. And you know, we hadn't seen the team was eighteen and old. When then they make up eighteen and one. It was a great run. It was a phenomenal run. But in sixteen years there were not You had two great runs, but there was a lot of that entirety of the career, and he was Okay, when you talk about Aaron Rodgers being one of the greats, he's not. That mean. Patrick Mahomes already has more. You know, he's won an MVP.

All right, let mege it. So if Aaron Rodgers retires next year, do you put him in the Hall of Fame? I mean, this is done, He's done. He's of fames. Aaron Rodgers. Yes, the entirety of what he's able to do, it's not very many bad bad things are bad seasons or miss playoff like that. It's not the same as Eli Elist sixteen years, Like you said, two super Bowls, A lot a lot of question first, even even when what about Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs? He smoked those ers.

This is a good stat because I was talking to somebody the other day and they were talking about the Packers, and he said, look, what are the big issues in Aaron's career? Has been? How bad the defenses have been? I believe he has say so we no, no, no, listen, listen to how bad the deefen has been in these losses. I believe he has either eight or ten playoff losses. In those losses, the Packer defenses have given up thirty six points, average thirty six points. And then the wins

they've averaged seventeen. And then this person was telling me the defensive Coordinay was saying, look, at some point in time, what Green Bay needed to do is address more defense, more of their defensive needs, and just how much does the defense help you out? Now, you think about those Giants teams against the Patriots. You know the Pages were

scoring a whole bunch of points on those teams. You know they have not was vicious straight hand J P G. You know that that you and he basically you also do need help, by the way, and he says, as great as Aaron Rodgers has been, but you basically in his points, you're basically saying, Aaron, we need you to go win the game. That that was six thing about your mind. Most did win with that great defense in two thousand and ten. So we're gonna say that's all

Aaron Rodgers winning that defense. No, no, no, no. Like I said, I'm still talking about the entirety of the career. Right. When you think of Aaron Rodgers coming into your building, it's a different thought than when you think of Eli Manning coming into your building. When we when we watch film and there and Eli was coming, you say, you know what, it's time to get picks. You did say that, boy, a rod you say, man, I'm just saying. But you was like, hey, you better be on your piece of

qus because Aaron Rodgers make me like the food. That's true. You'd be like, there's a lot of times we sit there and watch the TV. He say, it's Eli throwing with his eyes closed. He thought the several round with some with some accuracy. But other than that, man, the dude, the dude was a little shaky. If you comparing those two guys got your game playing for them too is totally. It is different because everybody can make different type of throws. I get what you and just just just rolling out

just some of the career stats. We're looking at an Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, you know, super Bowl champions, super Bowl MVP, two times, he won the NFL MVP. That's that's that's a big time eight time Pro Bowl or two time first team All Pro, second team All Pro once UM Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year UH set the career mark for NFL passer rating at one or two point four UM in the season he said it UH one, twenty two point five and twenty eleven. The touchdown interception

ratio is fantastic. Four hundred and two consecutive passes without say, when you talked about Aaron Rodgers, you talked about his greatness and then you measure him. Okay, who are the people you were playing up against? You know people are talking Aaron Rodgers. Is that you don't You never said that about Elis? This is true. This is true. Never said that about Elis. And that's when I talk about you know, we I'm I'm writing down and saying you are one of the greats. Okay, I don't feel elis that.

I feel like he had two great runs and had a really good sixteen year career, but I just don't put it there. I'm also also probably going to be in the minority. All right, we gotta sit up here to take a break. But when we come back, words about Sunjay Law that may surprise you. Let's see and why he's no longer the wide receivers coach with the Dallas Cowboys. This is the players loude He's buried Church. He's Danny mcraie. I'm Newis Skrugs. I'm j Novachek, former

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We do it every Friday from the Star. Barry was not with us last week when we spoke about Drew Piersons of Barry's asking a couple of questions in the break, So let me just kind of go ahead and give you that that whole Drew Pierson running. I was at Drew's house, so I worked thirteen years with Drew on Sunday nights at NBC five. So I have a great knowledge of this because Drew and I spoke many times

about it. So Drew Pierson is now the only member of the All Decade nineteen seventies first team who is not in. There were two first team members not in before they came out with the centennial class. It was Cliff Harris safety with the Cowboys who played five five Super Bowls, two wins, and Drew. I mean they even put the punt a gray guy in. So with these two guys, Drew didn't get in the All seventies second

team receiver Harold Carmichael got Drew spot before him. So when we were watching it and Harold Carmichael was a third name out there, I immediately said, they're gonna put three receivers in. I said that they would put in two because it was ten. It was ten players that we're going to get in. I said, and beforehand, I just now I wrote it, and I even told Drew. I said, Drew, it'll be you and Max Speedy. They'll

get in. That's what I'm thinking, because Max Speedy was a guy to play for the Cleveland Browns, great player, had been overlooked all decade, got needed to be in. So I figured it would be the two first team guys. Harold gets in, I'm thinking, men, it's gonna be three. Then I get tipped off Cliff Harris was gonna get in. And this was before the announcement of the clip. I go back to someone who told me they're not going

to put three cowboys in. It'll put in two of this class they're not gonna put because it was a total of fifteen. So they'll put in two, they will not put in three. Well, Jimmy Johnson had got in, so now I knew. Cliff got in that and Harold in. Now I know we're in trouble. And then the last person who got in was Max Speedy. So now Drew Pearson since the nineteen thirties, and you go into first team All decade White receivers, there are eighteen of them.

Seventeen are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Drew is the only one who's not in. Don't look at numbers because if people look at numbers today, they'll say, oh, he didn't have any numbers. And I'm sitting here trying to educate people on Twitter. There's a different football game. What you're watching today is not the kind of football that was played in the nineteen seventies. You, as a defensive backe, sit up here, run the whole route of guy runs down the field. You could push him, mug him,

hit him, do whatever. You can't do that today in quarterbacks you was getting hit high. I mean there was they were roughing the guys. I mean there's a different football game. Here is the issue for Drew Pearson. The entire time after you retire nineteen eighty three, and once he was eligible as a modern day era candidate, he was never put on the ballot to be discussed in the room. Okay, Steve Atwater's name is going to be discussed in the room next week, next Saturday. Drew never

got in the room. This was the first time Drew got in a room over thirty years. First team got the writers failed Drew Pearson. So now Drew has moved into the seniors category. So the hope next year to try to get him in the Class of twenty twenty is come August when they start talking again about senior candidates, is that Drew can get on that list. Now here comes the tough part. They'll only put in two senior candidates and the class of twenty twenty one. But his

case is going to be stronger. Two ways. This is a better opportunity for Drew. This class of twenty twenty will be voted on Senior Writers. There will be nobody else like a Bill Belichick and Bill Polian, people who

might think a little bit differently. These writers are going to have to face the fact that, according to the very criteria they said, they have denied a man who has earned Okay, and I say this all day long, and I'll fight anybody, Drew Pearson has earned a Hall of Fame jacket based on the criteria that the writers have used to induct people in. So, of course, is it is there a difference when they say like Senior Hall of Family? Is there an asterisk beside Hall of Famer?

But and so what the Senior Committee is about is over time, guys, guys get passed over. Some guys will fall through the cracks. And that's what the Senior Committee was made up to do, to say, hey, look, you know what, we've got some guys who we missed on that we as the Hall made a mistake and we need to correct the error. And now that they have the Contributors category, one reason that the Contributors categories are saying, you know, there's some people who really haven't played a

major part in the National Football League. But according to how we vote right now, five modern day people, two seniors, they probably won't get in. It's very hard to get in it. So that's how someone like Jerry Jones ended up making it because they wanted to say they're people out here who've made a major contribution to pro football and how we see it that we can't tell the game without him. But it's really hard because you want

to try to reward the players. One are the next categories that they're gonna come up with it is they're gonna have to figure out a way to put some assistant coaches into the profitable hall. Yeah, because there are some guys who are great assistants weren't necessarily the guy's head coaches, but made a difference over a long period of time that you have to say, you know you

made a difference. Now that we're seeing general managers get in, George Young, who helped build those Giants teams, that guy is now we have to make sure we recognize these people because the process, honestly, you don't let a lot of people in. That's one great thing what makes it special. But they know they've excluded people, so back to your point about the seniors. The hope is Drew's on the ballot in August, and as they go through the process and whittle it down, that Drew is one of the

finals because his case is strong. And you look at the people you've passed over. So first team all nineteen seventies, two wide receives, Lynswan, Drew Pierson, lyns wan In by the way, took lynz one way too long to get so, Paul Warfield, second team, Harold Carmichael second team. They're in John Stalworth neither first nor second team. They voted him. You have no more excuses. This is a guy you have to put in. He's got the memorable moments, he's

got a Super Bowl ring. He checked off all the boxes that they say you should have to get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So at this point in time, I've said to Drew Purson, I said it's time to start shaming them. When I showed the video of Drew at his house walking away in tears, I wanted people to see that this is what you have done. This is what you've done to a man who has earned the jacket. It's one thing if you don't win and you don't earn it. But this guy earned it.

He checked all the bout so it's not a matter of if it's just win. He's sixty nine years old. What I would say to anybody on the Committee of the Seniors Committee is, look, let's not ever have another Kin Stabler situation. For years, Jenny Stabler had to me a resume that said, look, you were one of the great quarterbacks of the seventies. No, he wasn't first or second team all decade because that went to Terry Bradshaw

and Rodestava. But when you talk about the great teams of the seventies, it was the Vikings, it was the Cowboys, it was the Steelers, it was the Dolphins, and it was the Raiders. No team won more games than the Raiders of the seventies. He got a Super Bowl win. I mean, try to win a Super Bowl when you had the Miami Dolphins, who would perfect her want two back to back Super Bowls? The Steelers who won four to Super Bowl. If you just got into the Super

Bowl back then, it was hard. It was like trying to get in while Michael Jordan trying trying to get in the Finance and the east of Michael Jordan was playing. They were that good or trying to get to a Super Bowl out of the AFC while the Patriots to go. That's how tough the competition was in the seventies. Man, it was hard. And Kenny Stabler, in my opinion, was a Hall of Fame quarterback. And when you talked about the great quarterbacks that you had to talk about the Snake.

I mean they were throwing the ball. I was out there. We're going deep we I mean, you know one you just want dinking and Duncan you put Bob Greasey in? I mean you look at Bob Greasy's I think Bob Greasy won a Super Bowl. I think he threw maybe eight or eleven passes. I mean, and I beating up Bob. He did what they asked him to do. But that year they went undefeated. Earl Morrell won more games because

Greasy was hurt, and then the second Super Bowl. You Greasy was never the MVP of any of them, right, one of the defensive guys was MVP second when Zanka was the MVP. The first one that was a running football team. They didn't throw the ball, but he was in because he helped them win. So to me, you can't sit around here and say stated it wasn't worthy because he was right there and he wanted it so bad he died. Cliff Branch was also on the ballot.

Cliff did not get in. I spoke to Cliff at the Texas Black Sports Hall of Fame about three four years ago. I said, man, you deserve to be in. He was on three Super Bowl teams. He was on Super Bowl eleven, super Bowl fifteen, and eighteen. That's a long time, man, because excuse about for the nineteen seventy six to nineteen eighty three, and the guy played with three different quarterbacks. I mean, the guy was definitely one of the play You talk about three super Bowl he's

on all three Raiders super Bowl teams. Deserved his spot, but didn't get in, and he died, And I just think, what a shame. We can't keep trying to all Right, Barry's dead. Now, let's let us honor man boy. We're sorry, Barry's family, We're sorry we didn't put it in when he was here and he was alive. It took him dying for us. Long lived Barry Church. What's worse is watching one of Jim Brown's teammates. It was a guard they put in and I was there and the man

couldn't speak Fran Tarkington. I was a Fran Tarry was somebody else's think it was a son who did it. And then it was another one, mctinle haff A center, who was Frank Tarkington center with the with the Vikings on four Super Bowl teams. He wasn't able to speak articulately. He was old and was in a wheelchair. It was just like that. Well, when you know Berry, when you've seen the Vikings four super Bowl teams, this guy was a starting center. Fran Tarkington ends up making the Pro

Football Hall of Fame. When Fran retired, you know, nobody had throw him from more yards and he told him guy was a great prolific quarterback. You know this guy. You know, you gotta have some people there helping you along the way. And then they decided to wait until the dude can't stand up there and give his own speech. I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are we waiting till to wait? We gotta wait till you are jacked up to say, hey man, my bad,

my bad. So that's my that's my two cents. Hopefully it drew get in that next year. I'm starting to shame people in if it worked, if it might as well. You don't think should have been a first ballot No, no, I do not. No, you don't. Things look okay, you need we talk. That's one thing, Barry, that that clouds some of this stuff. But we talk about numbers. Um. I also think that winning is a part of this. And oh, by the way, how many teams couldn't wait to get rid of the guy so and he was

also the issue for me. You could have made the argument that Michael Irvin, Chris Carter, Andre Reid, Tim Brown, you could have said these guys were all first teams as well. They don't like to wait. Lynn Swan is a part of four Super Bowl teams. Was it was a Super Bowl MVP as a player, that dude had to wait almost ten years to get it. I mean he was he was so mad at something that, hey, brother, guess what, You're not the first great player who didn't

get it. When I said, when you tell me first ballot guy, it's a Jerry Rice, it's an Immi Smith, it's a dude, where you just to was never first team all decade? I think he shouldn't have been. All look, okay, look at these like the man. If we're talking about Pro Football Hall of Fame to get in, there were talking about just football, you know the first Okay, do you know who the first teamers were for the Let me tell tell me. Okay it was it was Randy Moss. Okay,

it was Marvin Harrison. Okay, better than both of those guys on the field. And when you when you want to go, you want to go numbers, Randy mart you want to go number, go ahead. Remember who Marvin played with, Peyton He had numbers, he had Yeah, he had you sitting there telling me those two are better than Terrell Owens. Yes, I'm going to just talking about strict Randy Moss. It's better than t O football. And Randy was first back. So yes, yes, you are. You are. Anybody ever said

you got to you got most. So we're just saying we talked about cash, friends or numbers the whole Randy's numbers. Who got better numbers? Please please do listen. Randy was better than t O your Margaret Harrison thing. You know, if we're talking about numbers and Tio's numbers are better than Randy Mars. How is Randy Marks better than t o? All right, just so you know, here was your you I go back, there was two thousand. For the two thousands,

you're all decade team first team wide receiver. It's Moss and Harrison your second team, Tory Holt and Tarall owns Now. Keep in mind all three year end. Holt is on the Ballad edition. So I didn't if Tory's not in, he will get in. I mean because just start looking at the guys on the list and how they do

things that they'll they'll find their way in. I don't think that there's ever a debate about Randy from the time this guy came in here as a rookie set rookie records to setting the all time mark of most touchdowns in a season. And you think about this with Tom Brady, Tom Brady's greatest year where he threw fifteen touchdown passes, it was with Randy Moss, Dante Culpepper, Dante Culpepper gums in as a as as as a Brook

And you see the kind of numbers. Randall Cuttingham was a backup player and all of a sudden goes to Minnesota and revives his career, throwing it to Randy Mos. I mean, Randy Moss is a weapon that we had, one of those rare weapons that you just don't see very Also, TiO wasn't that weapon? Not like to the numbers exact y'all saying they're like Tio's numbers aren't what they were. I'm telling you watching the game that I

think Randy Moss conversation. Are we talking about the length of the career and once you've done in your career or just a couple runs and play here? No, we're talking about his the entire career, Randy Moss's career. Whose numbers were better? Okay, I'm just going down here. Here you go, you back on the numbers and nick foles. We talk about your career, yeah, Mark, Yeah, not just the run. So we're talking about the whole numbers right as in what he's done. And we've watched the game.

You up fairly think when you watching a TiO, did you think that he played better than Randy Moss? I think Randy the numbers back me. Then, how how's that run? I don't know because we also talked about here, you're into your numbers, and this is a very very even split. So numbers wise, when it comes to receptions, Marvin had more one thousand, one hundred and two, Tarrell had one

thousand and seventy eight. They're basically the same. When it comes to receiving yards Marvin fourteen thousand, five h eighty tifteen thousand, nine hundred and thirty four. When it comes to receiving touchdowns, terib with a bigger mark, one fifty three to one twenty eight. Where's Moss in this one? Moss? Okay, put to me, I'm putting Moss overhead. No, no, no, he's already. So we are going the numbers. Oh, y'all, y'all going after the actual fact, going out watching the game.

We think we're talking about facts though. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, all right? So Jo got him in yards and touchdown. Yeah. So so here's Marvin, just some some

statistics since you're into the career. Highlights of stats here Marvin eight time Pro bowler, three time first team All Pro, five times second team All Pro, two time NFL receiving yards leader, ninety nine in two thousand and two NFL receiving touchdowns co leader in two thousand and five, two time NFL receptions leader in two years in a row, all decadeeen two thousand, one hundredth Anniversary NFL uh Anniversary team. There.

Let me go back here over to Tarrell, six time Pro Bowler, five team first time for five time first team All Pro, three time NFL receiving touchdowns a leader, NFL decade, second team. They're very they're very comparable. But Marvin got the nod. Give me Marvin has go back to what you said when you talked about first ballot.

Marvin wasn't first ballot. Terrell wasn't first. It's hard, okay, when I'm talking about writing, but if I if I am writing down like you're in, Moss was in because of his numbers or just just the numbers, the dominant weapon. There was no better wide receiver during Man had better numbers. How are we going to sit there and say he was not as dominant as Moss. I just don't understand that.

I say he's a better player than than Tero. All right, I guess, I guess I just don't understand if the numbers back it up, how can we sit there and say he's not better. All right, here's your Moss. Here's your Moss. Okay, here's your the three main categories reception, yards and TDS, receptions, he had less than both men. Okay, nine eighty two, So Marvin Harrison was better than uh

Randy Moss. We ain't done yards okay, because his numbers, the numbers the worst yardage, uh fifteen thousand, two hundred ninety two, so more than Harrison, less than Moss when it comes to yeah, less when it comes to receiving touchdowns, he has more than he had, more than both. He had more than both to less at one fifty six yeah td so yeah, yeah, he got more tds, but less receiving yards and less reception. Let's let's receiving yards

behind me a couple hundred? Was it fifteen thousand? I'm in the t o um TiO had fifteen thousand, nine hundred and fifteen thousand, what nine hundred and ninety two tds to had three less? T I'm sorry they and the numbers for show that the man got more touchdowns. He got two hundred less your arts maybe less and less catchers, so he got less catchers, more touchdowns and two hundred less yards. Come on, Mary less, he over me talking like to is like the definitely better than

MoMA was better. You can't you over like you can't believe that we would say better than he was better? And they gottowns. Stay back, Wait what the stats you are? You are you really about the band got less cancers? So are we doing this on opinions or facts? That all I want to know? He wasn't less yards? Three touchdown so he scored more. Here's what we know. Moss was first ballot terribly. So you buy yourself in this thought. People who vote on this, this is what they thought.

People who vote has also made Pierson Waite and all these decades. But remember there right now. But he's still the same thing. Though Marva Harrison got more cats than Randy Moss, but he said Moss is better than Harrison. All right, we we just talk about nothing that we've taken this argument too far, too far. Okay, we have seal being here. Let's take a break. We'll get back boy. The hours flown by the players law that did since

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Back to the player's lound, spend the whole brace bit, the whole break off your popcorn rantou get your waivers papers ready, because the team has decided they're done with all your antiques. Terror set the bills Bengals, I mean, Carson. Oh, we're gonna like Randy Moss. Ain't do that either. We're gonna like Randy Balls. They do that, I might know it. And they did that to Football Life straight cash. Only one quarterback would agreed to be interviewed to talk about it.

We cats out there. He talked about Randy Quit all right, Barry Church, Danny McRae, I knew, he scrugs. By the way. Tonight, I will be at the four War Stock show in Rodeo. There it is. They have they made a cowboy hat for me, had cowboy boots. That's gonna do a live shot at ten o'clock tonight. So so make sure you out then check you wenna check, Oh you gotta yeah. You can watch it on channel five if you if you're not in Dallas. Four theory, get the app NBC

DFW app can watch me. Don't be out to misrepresented, all right, don't do that. Trust you're gonna hear. Oh, I know. That's why I told hi, my nieces boot because I don't have any movies. I've never more a pair of movies. Gonna be right there all right, as we can get ready to close to the show. Sanjay Law cowboy wide receiver coach not coming back. Adam Henry is reported to be coming in. So I was listening to Jacques Taylor, good, buddy, money, we used to work together.

Jacques Taylor was saying that he had a source inside and started talking about how bad Sanjay Law was as a coach and that Sanjay Law was a technical guy who sweet talk Jason Garritt into a job and he wasn't good and said, do not judge Amari Cooper based on Sanjay Lyle or even Michael Gallant. And then Fall said, well, how did these guys have the Numb're like, hey, these guys with that kind of talent that Sanjay Law is

not good. Now, I will tell you this. I know someone who used to work on two stafs with Sanjay Law who thought that Sanjay was not good at his job. And when he got the job, and he said, had that guy get a job? He said, you know what, when Chris Hogan left Buffalo, he was just a guy ends up going into England, helps them go to Super Bowls And he said, you know what, Robert Woods was there with Sanjay Lyle. Robert Woods was just a guy

in Buffalo, goes out out there to the Rams. The next thing you know, this guy straight ball and he says, how good is Sanjay? He said, he's not good and this thing was repeated. Now, I always say that success leaves clues. Cowboys just had two one thousand yard receives, right, yeah,

Sanjay's jobless, jobless right now? Is that man you know I have is the man with the bricks, right and the bricks And they said that they thought that Sanjay didn't understand the offense, that he didn't really understand the concepts of the offense of the Cowboys. So yes, so on the way I sang Jay Lyle with the you know, a scathing criticism of him also not kept in So Adam Henry is going to be coming to uh coming here,

but yes, Sanjay not there. So that this was also one of the issues of how do you judge Amari Cooper and a Mari Cooper as I said, the source told Jacques because I told you, I said, guy wasn't one hundred percent even though he said he was fine, wasn't hurting. The guy wasn't The guy was not there. And then how do you judge Amar Cooper when you've got a wire receivers coach that you don't think highly up. I think the last six games, I hope he was hurt. Yeah,

he better have been hurt. I don't have nothing about coaching. The only the only thing that make you played that bad is that caliber receiver is being hurt. And I talked to coach and I told you I didn't think the guy was straight. You know, he came into the season injured and he and he had a decent year by his standards. But they're still a guy one also all right? Byron Jones. It's another thing that Jack had brought up on his show Jam session on ESPN Dallas.

Here that Byron Jones seventy three games, two picks, and they're trying to decide what type of number they give him. Um, I forgot that Byron's an older place, twenty eight years old. How many yes, remember he played all four years that you come. So you're talking about trying to give up, you know, a contract of four or five years to a players twenty eight years old? Two picks. And here's the two picks he had. He had one on a hail mary and the other one was off a tip ballot.

Let's his completion on his way. What I'm saying, like, pix matter, pis matter, but getting the ball caught on you matter more. And in today's NFL, what are you paying for? You're paying for guys who can get their hands on the ball. So this is what this is another big decision. What you're looking at with Cooper? What do you weigh? Same thing with Byron Jones? What are you weighing? And then what is it gonna cost you?

You're gonna try He's gonna probably command thirteen to fourteen millions dollars, So Cooper may want twenty and you may try to set on eighteen million dollars. So how much do you you know? I just believe you're gonna come down or choosing one of these things and keeping on three. So just like REVS right, So when when when Rex Ryan had REVS right? The thing that Rex Ryan was able to do was playing only for half of the field.

He put REVS out there by itself and that he was able to focus his defense on everybody else, which is for defensive coordinators, it's probably the best thing that you can get when minus not having interceptions, When you put Byron out there, that is what you get. You get where this is this is your guy, You follow this guy, this is your guy. Everybody else we're gonna focus on the other team. Guys, right, kind of comes down to who who? Who? Would you have to have

the Who's the guy from Baltimore? Who's a game Peters? Peters? Who who got random by the LA? He gets burnt up by the LA. He makes big plays in Baltimore, but he also gives up big plays. Or do you want a consistent factor? He might not make a lot of interceptions, but he does hold it side of the field down. That's just what they got away when somebody else gets some picked scheme for him acceptions from the other guy. All right, don't cut number one while he

on the place. But let's fast let's fast track through a couple of these topics. Right here at the end of the show. Dez Bryant is uh talking about to come back, and there's some folks who wants to see him wear the star again. I think des would like to wear a star again. Where we where are you standing on? I just it's two years out of the game. That's that's tough to come back from. I don't know if he'll be able to do it, but yeah, I mean I want to see him play. Um, I don't know, Jim, So,

I don't know where the fit is. I know that we you know, it all depends on what they do with Coop. And you got Gallop at number two, so as here playing third receiver. You know your thirds, his plans, But what is he what is he able to do? I want to see him to get out there. I want to see him get a chance to play, because it's obvious that Daz love loves football. He's been loving his entire life. So give somebody to give him a shot. I don't know if it'd be Jerry, And then we

know Jerry loves him, so you never know him. This is gonna be a different system. It's gonna be a different system, different room. So but you got three receivers. You got Cob, you got Gallup, and you got Coop already, so somebody got to move over. And there was my next thing is you know McCarthy came out single that Randall calls the press company want so he wants him here, and then Cobb knows the offense. And if you're Mike McCarthy, what better thing to have as a receiver who can

help teach everybody else what it is you want. So Cobb is going to find a spot here Gallup is under contract, he's an emerging player. There's no need to do anything to try and hold him back. And then you've got Amari Cooper, who they say they want back. Who's Jack's number one guy. He's got a comfortable So where does des fit? You? Guys know that if Dez is here, you fourteen guy, you don't play special teams. You can't afford it. Can't do it, not do not.

When Rick Goslin's special teams rankings came out of the Cowboys finished thirty first overall, can't do it. Can't do it because because that that puts your new special team coaching a boy. And you have a player who doesn't play on his teams and he's just taking up a spot. So John Fossil, right there, you don't have you don't have Dez Bryance. I mean, you wouldn't have Des Brynd available with special So to me right there, we've already

taken him out and let's depend on what happens with Coop. Yeah. Um, if they don't bring Coop, you think no. Okay, forgot here's the guy that was last time we were talking about him, he said he was gonna go work with a route coach. That is true. And what was used against him and said the whispers was, hey man, this guy doesn't run precise routes. But he didn't. He might be doing it now he saw the videos. If you're Mike McCarthy, is this what you want to deal with?

And you know, I just I just think that. I just think the ship is sale. It's hard to go home. It's hard to go home somebody. It might not be, it might not be here, but I think he's gonna get a shot. And I think if he does, I think he's gonna shine as much as he can. I could see him making some place you can be a real zone talket somewhere yet some job and that and that goes to what we spoke about. This is how

does the team want to make up their roster? And you want to make up a roster of knowing that this is a guy who's not going to play specials for you, and though these are these are decisions, he plays a better shot of going to New Orleans then then trying to come here. I just don't think Mike McCarthy here is gonna want to go and deal with that and everything that you've seen in the past versus, hey, can you go sign me? And Amari Cooper, who has

a who has a connection with my quarterback? What's the one thing we saw about Dez and in that they didn't have a connection. They didn't have a connection at this point in time. I just wouldn't want to gamble on for some of these two years out of the game, and you know you can't. And he was already an older player coming back from injuries. He's not gonna be He's not going to be the dead of twenty fourteen. This is true. He's not that same player. It's like

a boxer man. You know, as you get older and you know, you get injured. Me you're just not saying and it's not to say he can't play, but it's what it is, all right. The music is playing, Danny mccraig, Newy Scrugs and Barry Church. We appreciate what. We're back next Friday right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Rady. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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