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The guys break down the Cowboys’ disappointing loss to the Green Bay Packers in the Wild Card round, discuss where the team goes from here, and final thoughts on the 2023-2024 season.

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Speaker 1

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2

Cowboys.

Speaker 1

This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, heckma Harrison, and new he Scrubs.

Speaker 2

End of days.

Speaker 3

Time for the Players Lounge as the season has come to an end.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 3

As we sit here and talk it out with Barry Church, Heck Maharrison, Danny McCrae. I knew he sports forty eight for the Packers, thirty two for the Cowboys at home. The season is over. Green Bay moves on. They will face Detroit. Tampa Bay defeated philadelp Tampa Bay goes to San Francisco, and the Cowboys are now left to talk about what was and what will be. We'll go around the table, start here, Danny mc craig.

Speaker 2

Your thoughts.

Speaker 4

One, We're the only home team to lose this weekend, which is which is absolutely It's unfathomable. I'm sitting there and I'm watching the game, and I don't I don't understand how one when they start panning in on CD

and DAK again. I'm like, of all days, today today is when you gotta look like you got an issue like today's starting off the game today like it just the Packers came in as the hot team, looking like the New York Giants when they were nine to seven and they were getting hot and they're ready to go, and we just did not look we didn't look like we were prepared to play like schematically, we didn't look

like we were there. I'm talking about man and the man guys, letting guys run wide open to where nobody's on them, mixing mad, they're not in the right gap, the same thing that's consistent through the week. And then and then offensively, you know, we revert back to our turnovers. Tony Pouler was actually having a decent day and you're like, okay, we were ready for the for the run game to start. And then the run game gets started and you still can't figure out a way to get Ceedee Lamb involved.

You get an interception throwing at the Brandon Cooks, and then who would have thought Michael Gallup would have been the guy, right, the savior of like all right, somebody's gonna ball today and Michael Gallup is the guy, so six three listen, we got to be offensively, defensively, even on special teams.

Speaker 2

I'm seeing Turping get hit at the fifteen.

Speaker 4

Sam Williams out there with the kick catching the fid like it was a total team effort of losing that game. Coaching staff, players, all three phases. So very disappointing. But you know, here we are again. That was Cowboys, Baby were back one more time. And I know you guys are gonna break down a lot of the game, the play calling and how that went bad. But Gods, fundamentally, for me, there are things that I believe about football that I just feel as though your head coach has

to have your guys ready. We talked about it all week about guys need to be mentally strong, and when they don't show up, you put that on the head coach. I couldn't believe what I was seeing out there. I couldn't believe that these guys came out as flat as they did.

Speaker 2

It's not it's not uncomfortable that.

Speaker 4

They wouldn't come out flat, but to that degree that nobody turns up, nobody says, hey, guys, it's not a game next week, So it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing to witness city. It was embarrassing for them to play to get that opportunity and have two home games. I didn't recognize what I was seeing out there. I just didn't. And it was the wrong time to change your identity. And that's something that you've been talking about since August,

since two days, since training camp. What's this team's identity? And when they got into the playoffs, they changed that and I was embarrassed by what I saw.

Speaker 5

Yeah, you're right, I mean you hit the word that needed to be said. I mean, I was an embarrassing loss on all fronts. He's talking about all three phase of the game. Offense, defense, special teams. Even Aubrey. I think he missed a kickout there, and that's when I knew it, you know, put the nail in the coffin.

Speaker 2

But it was they came out.

Speaker 5

Flat, and to me, that's something that you don't really see from a McCarthy team. You know, all these seasons he's been here, usually he has his team ready, his record accounts for I mean, after a bye week, after a loss, I mean, the numbers are there, you know, He's usually a coach that's gonna have and get the best out of all of his players, and that's what we all talked about last week is one of the attributes that makes him a great coach. But they came

out flat, extremely flat. And I knew Green Bay had a lot of confidence going into that game. We he did the pregame on the sidelines, you could just feel the energy from them.

Speaker 2

They felt like.

Speaker 5

They belonged in there, which was out of pocket because this was pretty much their whole, entire team's first go in the playoffs, and the Dallas Cowboys didn't make them feel like they don't belong Like they knew from the jump we belong here. We're gonna win the coin toss, take the ball, go against one of the strengths of good team, which is the defense. We're gonna march it all the way down the field. Very first drive eight minutes, score with a touchdown at it, or score touchdown at

the end of the drive. Like that right there set the tone for the rest of the game. And as we saw Dak Prescott, you know, kind of reverted back to that Prescott we've seen in years past.

Speaker 2

I don't know what it is.

Speaker 5

But the playhoffs, it's just he gets back into that mindset where I'm not looking. I'm just gonna throw the ball where I think it needs to go. I mean, we'll break everything down with the interceptions and all that. But yeah, this this this was just out playing and out coaching by the Dallas.

Speaker 2

Called was in the Green pay package. Gutless effort, gutless you should appear.

Speaker 3

Look at the drive chart Green Bay drive chart, touchdown and start the game punt, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, punt, punt in the game.

Speaker 2

Baby, that's not playoff football.

Speaker 4

Only because they when the competitive phase was again, okay, six of seven drives the first six to seven touchdown for them.

Speaker 2

Let's look at four games for.

Speaker 3

The Cowboys and shit, and just the second core loone Arizona, they found themselves down twenty one to ten, San Francisco second quarter, they found themselves down twenty one to seven. Buffalo second quarter, they found themselves down twenty one, two three, Green Bay. They were down twenty seven to nothing in the second quarter. Then they scored touchdown before to a half. There's a problem here, guys, there's a problem. These were

good football teams in Arizona. We could say they want a good football team, but you look at their reck They fought people this year, right, they fought them and they shouldn't have put it to you.

Speaker 2

There is a problem.

Speaker 3

And when you talk about the mental toughness, that is something that has to start to come into question with this team to perform like this at four games, to be outclassed, and then you get to the playoffs where you know you're supposed to have it.

Speaker 2

When I said failure is not option, you just didn't fail. Laid down.

Speaker 4

So I get home from the game, I'm sitting in my lazy boy ahead, still got the TV on channel five, and who comes on late night?

Speaker 2

Nobody knew. Crug comes home and uh he.

Speaker 4

Was on fire, right, he was on fire about the loss, and he put it I mean sort of the same thing that you're saying right now. It's hard to fathom a team that will come into your home playoff situation than they score on six of their first seven drives. Now you gotta watch a lot of football to see that happen. I mean, this is SEC versus some pretty inferior conferences.

Speaker 2

That you that you get.

Speaker 4

I'm not.

Speaker 2

What it is.

Speaker 4

I'm just saying, you gotta watch football for a very long time. I know you guys watch a lot of football to know is. As we were communicated with each other during the game, like what the hell is going on right now? At some point, at some point guys that you you guys know as defensive players, you have a base that you if this ain't working. We got our base to go back to if all things fail, defense, go back to that.

Speaker 2

What's ours?

Speaker 4

I mean, because you're in that dime, You're in a dime, nick, whatever you want to call it, and guys are running open as I want to put it to words that I asked you, but are you watching this because guys are running wide open and they never adjusted to that. Well, this is the problem when you run a defense that way and you have guys out there who are not used to playing when you don't get pressure.

Speaker 2

Those two big dig.

Speaker 4

Routes were in zone coverage, no pressure, and it was the same thing Calvin Johnson did this when he had three hundred yards. You don't get any pressure, You allow a receiver to get down there twenty yards and ben then it's.

Speaker 2

Gonna be a catch every time.

Speaker 4

So it's like if they're running open, but it's because you're not getting enough pressure to get back there. They shouldn't even have that much time because this is a staple of your defense to say, hey, man, if we rush four and we play zone covers behind it, we expect Michael Parsons, d Law whoever, to be able to put some pressure on this young quarterback and not allow him the time to make that pass. And they allowed it to times and I watched it, and then the

next one you man to man. Right, So like I'm not believing, I'm not absolving Dan Quinn of anything. All right, you went and fought with bell in there and it didn't work out for it is probably the worst game that I seen him have. But if I'm calling man the man as a defensive coordinator, I expect my guys to be able to play man to man. This is a veteran defense for the most part, especially in the secondary, and you can't find a way to cover your guys

man to man. All this was getting a tight bunch for masons and then run crosses and we act like we couldn't get through traffic or anything. This is like day one stuff that we had been doing throughout the year, which is why I'm saying I don't understand what happened. It's like you went out there and you forgot how

to do the basics and it didn't work out for you. Listen, bless Marky's bell, Okay, because he did go out there and he tried his hardest, but run gap coverage and being sound and my man not even lining up in the gap pre snap now right, he supposed to be in the A gap he way over here and not he and he's getting caught every time.

Speaker 2

And some of that is he hasn't played that position, so he doesn't really know how to do it.

Speaker 4

But we we ate nineteen wait nineteen, you know, so you know at some point you got to be able to figure stuff out. Uh, And Aaron Jones came out and they said, we're gonna run the ball against this team, and that's what they did. And that's been our Achilles Hill now for but three straight years, three straight years we.

Speaker 5

Have been we haven't I'm saying it for weeks now that when you at this second level is with those guys being undersized, you'll get away with it when you go against these finess teams the Chargers of the world. You'll get away with it, and it'll look amazing when you go out there, because oh man, he's able to stop these running backs out of the backfield, catching the ball, covering tight ends.

Speaker 2

It will look amazing.

Speaker 5

But when you go against a team that's like, all right, we're gonna hand this ball off and go between the tackles, there's so much. There's only so much a two hundred and fifteen pound, two hundred ten pound guy can do against a three hundred line round line.

Speaker 2

Well, my mother, and that to that sense.

Speaker 4

My point is, hey man, if you two fifteen, you gotta be gaps. He catching every like I'm talking about, he three four yards behind, like catching every block, and then he's out of his gap, so he's easily getting hooked.

Speaker 2

And it's not just him. This is everybody got.

Speaker 4

But as you watch the film from from Sunday's game, you say, oh wait again, no, not again, like get in Like you just see little stuff like that where it's like, hey man, you lost before the ball was even snapped, because you know, not just him, but not just him, but also DeMont Clark as well. I think the read and react portion of the defense like you said,

they were catching a lot. And when you're already undersized and you're trying to catch a three hundred and twenty pound man, he's gonna he's gonna roll you and look defensively obviously out of sorts. And I was wondering about them playing zone because I'm saying to myself, Okay, they're sprinkling in the zone because maybe they.

Speaker 2

Believe that Love is a mobile quarterback.

Speaker 4

Maybe they believe that, you know, they need all hats to the ball, especially with at the running back. But when I say our base, our bas is, man, when we get back to and when that failed, when we were getting baptized, and.

Speaker 2

Then I'm like, oh oh brother.

Speaker 5

And it wasn't just study stopping, and it wasn't just like they was doing some craziness to get off of this name.

Speaker 2

Man. It's like you said, coaching kind of went out the window. Like we've seen.

Speaker 5

I was watching that would play with Dobbs. I believe that's his last name. Eighty seven for the for the yeah Romeo dots. He ran that sail route, all right, sale route for y'all. Don't know, it's over once you get to that hash mark you put your foot in the ground, you go back out towards that far apart uh Billy the eyes. You're a man the man coverage.

You gotta keep your eyes on your luggage. I know it's a deep over route, and he tried to do what Bland did earlier in the season by undercutting the over route, and as soon as he looked up, Bland put that dogs put that foot in the ground. With Dobson direction, He's wide open, He's Scott free. It was just things like that were from a veteran player and from the defense overall, that.

Speaker 2

We didn't see all season long.

Speaker 5

We didn't see that all season long, and it was just it was an embarrassing effect.

Speaker 4

Let me mention this as well, because I don't want to put too much on the linebackers, them too interior defensive line where they at. I'm talking about what Hankins and my washed. They were getting washed out of the frame. So you're playing with guys who are light at the linebacker spot, and then your defensive lineman can't hold a double team and they getting washed out of the way and you somebody else, right, So you asking d Law and Michael Parsons to make every player there, but you can't.

And we all said that, hey man, the reason why the green Bay Packers didn't look the way they look Sunday during the season is because Aaron Jones had been hurt for most of the year, like he hadn't been healthy. Now he came back fresh legs, ready to go. And that's what you're going to see from the Green Bay Packers moving forward. But we already know that though. We know that when teams come in here, they're going to

try to run the ball. And we said this, Detroit let us off the hook because they start running them. The teams that we were like, oh man, why did y'all stop running? Because we haven't stopped it yet for some reason. And and and green Bay was not letting us off. They didn't change it. They didn't change a thing.

Speaker 2

Hey j.

Speaker 4

Dylan didn't play No. Thirty one having a day. They're gonna switch it up. Guys were taking turns on us, and it was it was And the thing about and think about I'm watching Mazie. I got to the point when watching Mozzie and you're getting blocks so bad, so not only you turn sideways, you turn all the way around.

Speaker 2

And now you're throwing your hands up. What what do.

Speaker 4

You think all they gonna do is just shove you completely out of the plane.

Speaker 2

How much? Wait did he lose? He no, it's no, Joe, he looked light.

Speaker 3

McCarthy would not tell us when he looks light. He was asking, and he did. McCarthy didn't want to say he looked. I'm just but he acknowledged that there was a weight loss.

Speaker 4

Listen, he looked like and that's what's listening. And that's okay. But I mean across the board, we didn't play. We needed Michael Parsons to show up and get more pressure on Jordan.

Speaker 2

Look, we needed that. That's a needed.

Speaker 4

That's another conversation that has to be saying that my fear where we say last week, I feel like Jordan Love can have that Geno Smith style game, and that's exactly what he went out there and did.

Speaker 2

He went out there and used not to use his legs.

Speaker 5

As far as running down the football field, but the by time for his weapons on the outside to get loose.

Speaker 2

I mean to make the first guys, it's exactly that first.

Speaker 5

Pressure was there, let me dip to the outside by time, and he has that cannon it's been an Achilles hill for the Cowboys all season long.

Speaker 2

Big athletic quarterbacks down. I don't know how y'all.

Speaker 4

Feel about Green Bay in this next matchup, but my feeling is is that green Bay is gonna go up there and they gonna get put to him because San Francisco's gonna stop the runfeats him, and then Jordan Love's gonna have to really be an exquisite quarterback, like you're gonna have to make those throws under a lot more pressure to rest without your running game working.

Speaker 2

But I disagree, okay, and I'm.

Speaker 4

Not surprised, but I'm saying, Lafleur, if I wasn't, if I wasn't sure of his game before, I am now because that one play to the tight end on the on the side, I swear to you, I thought he just came off the sideline.

Speaker 2

I'm like, wait a minute, that's our side. O. You know what, go back to the time he was over there.

Speaker 4

By hisself, middle of the field to the hash by south and that's it. That's impossible, especially when it's not a busted defense. Everybody has an assignment. You have to account for that guy. How the hell did you not account for him that. Listen, there's a couple of players on there, and I know we just picking through it, just you know, going all over the place. I'm watching guys cover grass. We ain't cover two. They ran over

us all the way over there. We got a cornerback fifteen yards d not like not covering anybody, and then don't get the crosser. It looked like we didn't know what the heck we was doing out there, which is which is unfortunate because like I said, you have veteran players out there. You have a defensive Player of the Year out there. You got d run Bland out there. You got safeties who are veteran guys now all got

paid like. You have guys out there who should know how to run this defense like you were in the playoffs at this point. So to me, none of this is Excuse me because it don't It doesn't really make sense. But I'm saying this, Okay, Michael Parsons is supposed to be our guy.

Speaker 2

Okay, he's a hell of a player. You gotta show up when.

Speaker 4

When all when all else fails, it ain't nothing working, and you need to spark the person that we are going to look to deservedly. So it's Michael Parsons to be in there and say, you know what, I'm gonna figure out a way pick six maybe, well, whatever they try to.

Speaker 2

Cut me, I'm gonna jump up one of the TJ.

Speaker 4

White plays something like that, like you have to you have to be able to make those type of plays. And I wan't hear nothing about holding or none of that, because we had the whole league over here talking about when is Michael Parsons gonna get a holding call.

Speaker 2

I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 4

We need to have guys who canna get out there and make those plays when they when it calls for, especially in the playoff game, and we just we just didn't see it. And that's across the board though. That's DAK and that's CD, and that's Brandon Cooks and everybody, everybody, everybody.

Speaker 2

It was.

Speaker 4

It was it was actually crazy to watch. You see Earl Spencer, I mean Crawford he speak tweeting this looks like me and Arrows be.

Speaker 2

Talking about injuries. Later.

Speaker 4

I swear, I swear that's what it looked like. That's what it felt like. I was like this, I have my hand over the ball.

Speaker 3

They got a lot of smoke on social media. Let's get our first break in here eighteen past the hour.

Speaker 2

We're rolling. We're rolling. What does Jerry Jones do now?

Speaker 3

And a word was used about Dak Prescott from a Cowboy player that is getting some traction and I just wanted to get.

Speaker 2

Everybody's opinion on that. We'll go over that word as well.

Speaker 3

But yeah, man out the playoffs. We didn't think we'd be doing a show this week talking about not getting it done.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 9

Back to the players loud, all right here we are players Lounge the.

Speaker 3

Post season Edition one and done. Nobody thought that was gonna happen.

Speaker 2

Berry Church, Maharrison, Danny kra Newie scrutched.

Speaker 3

Want to read this from former Cowboy linebacker Scott Shanley, who ended up leaving. He played for Parcels, ended up going with Sean Payton to the Saints, and he tweeted this. There are some teams, coaches and players that can't handle any type of pressure or adversity. Go back to the start of the Cowboys Packer game win down in the first quarter, starting quarterback had thousand yards stare and body language of a team that was atrocious. Whether it's high school,

college pros. The ones that can handle adversity are the ones that win championships. Front runners don't win championships. There were a lot of people lining up and going after the Cowboys on several different levels.

Speaker 2

Them back was catching it, and.

Speaker 3

You should catch it because, with all due respect, this is three straight years they had been in the playoffs, and this is two wild card games at home where the quarterback has not come to play in the game. Jane Slater ended up on social media saying she talked to someone on the team and the player said, sometimes Dak will panic after his first read.

Speaker 2

I want to go around the table.

Speaker 5

Thoughts that one, because that's what's hot.

Speaker 2

You's talking about man panicking out there. But somebody in the lock.

Speaker 5

Somebody you know that one? Oh man, it a cat five. Anyways, but when you look at it, this is something you know, we saw. We thought we were passed. You know, Kellen Moore was gone. We thought you know, his offense was predictable, and this is why that man, Dak Prescott was throwing interceptions because the offense was predictable.

Speaker 2

At least that's what I was told.

Speaker 5

Fast forward to this year in the postseason, the biggest moments, what is seeming to happen. The guy get reverts back to what we've seen in the past, double clutching out there, staring down his reads. It looks like he's not going like throughout the entire season, if number one went there, number two one there, let me go ahead and tuck this thing and run. But when we get to the postseason, it's like the whole thing just switches back, or just the recess. He hit the reset button on that pick

to Savage. There's no way that I didn't. I never played the quarterback position, but we all understand this. When you running those double slants like that, if there's a lurker sitting right there, you gotta go to number one, and it sounds easier than what it is. Got no, the quarterback positions ared, but that interception shouldn't happen. And on the first interception to Jyry Alexander, that's when he forced in there because the route was lazy. That was

an extremely lazy route by Cooks. He was just going like half speed out there. That was a lazy route. But he's still forcing in there. That's something that we saw from last year Dack, from maybe rookie year Dack, you know, forcing things there because it was covered up and I understand it was down. You either use your laser or you take this sack and lived another day.

That's something we've seen all season Law. He was protecting the football, but in this game, for some reason, he reverted back to the deck we have seen in past and was forcing throws out there and making reads that he had made all season long.

Speaker 2

So y'all let me know because this is confusing to me.

Speaker 4

It pisses me off to having the anonymous source come out of the locker room and say exactly that about him. But how many times do you can you deny or defend actions like this. You've seen it in the playoffs where look, our offense just didn't have the game. This is the first time I think that we've come into a game where it's like that our defense didn't come and we needed that sparks to come from my offense and that spark didn't come from my offense either. I

think Mike Tyson says, the best man. Everybody has a plan till they get hit, and this team, when they get hit, they don't respond. And you want that leadership to come from your quarterback. But when your quarterback has a deer in the headlights, look on your quarterback isn't the one that seems sure of himself? How do the rest to the guys? How are the rest of them sure themselves? I mean you can look around. We talk about elite quarterbacks all the time, those the Tom Bradys

of the world, the killers that we talk about. What is about those guys in championship moments? They stand up, they make it happen. What when you look at our guy we don't have He doesn't have a resume that says he'll do that when when the pressure is on. But for for a player to out him like that, that's he didn't get out of it. By the player. He's been out. He's been out booda Baker out of

him a long time ago. And and that that route that they picked off and cover two again was just so the first time they did it was San Francisco and I think CD was running a jerk route from number two, went in and got that pick, and then now Cooks is running the jerk rout form number one and when got that pick, and like you said, double slant, they running the second slant to clear out space for you to throw the first one. You go to the

why would you do that? But but but when you're having issues, are seemingly having issues, and you're on the same page with eighty eight at that time, then you got to try to find a way to force it in there, to make sure that he knows that it's coming to him.

Speaker 2

And then everybody knows it.

Speaker 4

At that point, CD Lamb get eighteen targets, everybody's gonna have all their eyes on CD Lamb.

Speaker 2

All right.

Speaker 4

I don't know what to say about that, because you know, once again we were talking about him being the MVP. He had a heck of a season, and then it's the playoffs. That's why we always say, none of that stuff matter. None of the stuff matters that happens in the regular season, none of it twelve and five, thirteen and three, none of that stuff matter, because because when we get to a certain point, which is first round, second round, we find a way not to show up.

So next year, next year, when you go twelve and five, how comfortable will you feel about your playoff your playoff hopes? Because this is three years in a row where you go into it and you say, you know what.

Speaker 2

I feel real good.

Speaker 4

We got an easy, easy path to the end. We got the two seed, possibly two home game, possibly three. All we got to do is beat the team that's nucky, and that's all we gotta do. And they got to come here. We undefeated at home glad two years, right, So this is the best opportunity you had. So this is why everybody's going crazy now because you say, I got to sit here and wait through a whole season next year, a whole season of if they play well, I can't get too excited. They play bad, and I'm

gonna feel bad like it's nothing. And then just so you to wait for the first playoff game, hopefully for you to still sit on pins and needles and feel that pressure of like, here we go again, because that's what happened at the beginning of the game. It was here we go.

Speaker 2

Again, there we go again, like it's happening again, and the Bruce feilled out.

Speaker 4

I'm talking about just all the way through it and the screen came down and everything.

Speaker 2

Oh, here's part two of that.

Speaker 3

You can talk about the season next year, but before you hit the regular season, Jerry Jones has to figure out what he does moving forward. Dak Prescott and in a lot of ways. First Off, anybody talking about in trade, Dack's got a no trade close, so you can stop that. Secondly, he's got a cap hit a fifty nine million dollars. Basically it's gonna be they nine points, So it's basically sixty million dollars for those people to say, trade him or cut him.

Speaker 2

If you do it, the dead cap.

Speaker 3

Hit is sixty one million dollars, so either way there's a huge number. I don't know how they absorb a sixty one million dollar cap hit unless you decided next year is just going to be a season where we don't compete.

Speaker 2

It's just hard to do it.

Speaker 3

Heard people say, well, you know what, the Rams did it, and the Eagles did it.

Speaker 2

Them numbers wasn't sixty million. They were half that. And oh, by the way, they had replacements.

Speaker 3

Jalen Hurts replaced Carson Wentz, Matthew Stafford replaced Jared Golf. Don't know how many people are ready for Cooper Rush or Trey Lance to go ahead and be that guy next year. Just saying so, Jerry's most logical path forward is an extension for Dak Prescott to lower his number and try to get other players signed, which means you're now.

Speaker 2

In it with Dak for more years.

Speaker 5

Thought, it's a question before we get into that. If you extend them, is that cancel out the no trade? Is it like a whole new deal or is that new trade kind of go to the negotiating you can renegotiat.

Speaker 2

Yeah, well he kind of has, you know, the organization kind of got in a hard place. Yeah.

Speaker 5

Yeah, he has all the leverage right now, no trade clause, the number, the cap hit you got, like you said, you've got to find a way to make that a smaller number because you're gonna have to bring people in to help get this team better, I mean both offensively and defensively.

Speaker 2

So they're gonna have to extend my guy. They got to. There's no other way around it. It's gotta happen. Heck, they're gonna have to extend.

Speaker 4

No, He's he has some boxed then and he's he has some box din at the worst time, especially after after that performance. I'm sure they're thinking about other outlets in other ways because it's it's not a sample size.

Speaker 2

Now, this is what it is. What it is.

Speaker 4

And you know, I think when you when you talk about not only him, the head coach, every all decisions that will be coming down the pipeline right now. Look, man, Jerry can't make any needs you reactions to this whole situation because twenty four percent of your cap is gonna be hit by a Dack's salary, and you can look around the league and look at quarterbacks and you can say for who, for what, for why, and all of those questions are gonna be right there. Look, you have

to reload with him. You gotta come back with that. It doesn't make any sense to do it any other way because of what Nuie just said. But on the whole other flip side of that, you can't come back with the same philosophy to help your quarterback.

Speaker 2

You can't. Just because you.

Speaker 4

Got a running back and a running game don't mean it is productive. If a god tells you he's a third down running back, then trust him. Believe him. That's what's cost you. It cost you in this game because you didn't have a running game.

Speaker 2

There was no other.

Speaker 4

Way out, There was no recourse. What do you do when you're getting the doors blown off for you? You run the ball man, just slow this thing down. You don't have the ability to do that. And we've been talking about these wards for the defense on the other side.

Speaker 2

Now we've been dealing with this running game and.

Speaker 4

It's inefficiency all season and we expect for this dude to pull a rabbit out of his hat. When I don't know if y'all was looking at it, I was looking at it, but it seemed like Green Bay was in the offensive play call in room like they was listening like, oh you're.

Speaker 2

Jerk rop I another double slat, Oh yeah you and you got guys that are just sitting on that.

Speaker 4

And my my thing is is, you know what they have to do organizationally, they have to resign Dak because of all the other moves that they have to make.

Speaker 2

But this doesn't come at a good time.

Speaker 4

Listen, uh, Dak's signed, Dak, All right, say that money and go put it all on your defense, Like no, like you have to figure out a way to play better defense. You have to figure out a way to stop the run. You got Trayvon on Digs, you have a corner on the opposite side, get the back end straight, but you need to get your d line ready to go, all right, because you're gonna play with Dak Prescott like, but you.

Speaker 2

Need to go free agency.

Speaker 4

Find somebody that you because you've been searching for somebody to play that interior defensive linement spot for a long time. Go find you somebody that could play that spot, who's an impact layer, and start with the defense because you gonna have Dak Prescott on your team, but you need to play better defense because whatever however bad Dak Prescott played, the defense was horrible, which is also I'm gonna save

Dak Prescott because it was horrible. You said six out of seven, yes, six out of seven, you can't win.

Speaker 2

With the first. You can't win with that. Stayed with the Michigan it was so give me Western, you can't win.

Speaker 4

The applet State also came down to bad RUMs. Got the breaks blue off.

Speaker 2

They went down to Texas A and M two years ago and beat them.

Speaker 4

Something about we talking about bad ruey Alright, sometimes like the Cowboys up they alright.

Speaker 2

Sometimes they went down to year you killed.

Speaker 3

Sometimes we must go into the head coach, Mike McCarthy, you opened up that door. Mike McCarthy opened up that door. It's Mike McCarthy. The right person to lead it is Jerry Jones. Need to think about making a change or stay with him. Let's get the panels thoughts on it. Next, this is the players that by Tostitos on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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Speaker 2

The season is over. It continues with the Green Bay Packers. Is they go to Detroit Round three between the Packers and Lions.

Speaker 3

And while you Bullgiving, the Packers went in there on Thanksgiving gave it to the Lions. So that's gonna be a fun one to watch. Who saw Jordan Love and Jared Golf still at it? And who saw uh ba, I'm sorry, sorry, no, it's it's it's Packers, Packers Niners. I'm sorry Packers Niners. Uh, it's Baker and Jared Goff who saw that one coming.

Speaker 2

But by the.

Speaker 3

Way, uh, you know what Jordan Love against San Francisco. It's all house money again, it's it's nothing for true, there's nothing nothing for these guys. So whatever they get beat, fine, they win. Boy, what a great story for that. Matt la Floor came in here, the man who replaced Mike McCarthy and just gave it.

Speaker 2

Wasn't familiar with the familiar with it.

Speaker 4

They believe they should be there though they don't believe they're playing with house money, which is which is what they came in here and showed like they felt the disrespect and the like house money.

Speaker 2

We're healthy now asides after the.

Speaker 4

Game, yeah, somebody said to him first when he walked out, how about them, cowboy?

Speaker 2

How about them? Besides what does Jerry do now? It is disappointed and I've seen anyone.

Speaker 3

Uh, he really thought this opportunity for the Cowboys to do something was there two games at home right there in front of the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy, for the second time in three years, has a home playoff game, and they got punched in the mouth from jump. So now there's speculation Mike did this to himself, did this to himself. You knew what you knew, what the assignment was. You failed, So now you've opened up Pandora's box. People

are talking about Bill Belichick. People are casually mentioning Mike Vrabel as a head coach here, what.

Speaker 2

Do you do?

Speaker 5

I don't know what he should do, but it don't look too good for Big Mike right now. It don't because I know we all saw that that post game from from mister Jones out there.

Speaker 2

Y'all saw the reporters on TV.

Speaker 5

I don't think I've ever seen that man look so just disappointed, just upset at what happened in this playoffs. I've never seen it before, you know, playing with him covering the team now, never seen him look that way after a game.

Speaker 2

And when you look at it, new it you You pointed.

Speaker 5

It all out, You got you had what you needed to make that long playoff front. You had the home game here against a team that, yeah they were hot, but there are a bunch of youngsters that have never experienced playoffs before.

Speaker 2

You had them at home.

Speaker 5

Well, you've been undefeated sixteen in a row. You got them at home, you beat them. You go on to the next round to play against a team at Detroit that you've already beaten at home once again. You had the second most All Pros I believe, or Pro Bowls, whatever the case may be, in the National Football League on your team. You had someone that's possibly going to finish second in MVP voting, possibly as your quarterback.

Speaker 2

You had everything lined up for you.

Speaker 5

To go out there and take advantage of it and get Jerry Jones in the Dallas Cowboys organization to the next level somewhere they haven't been in twenty some years.

Speaker 2

And you went out there and not only was it a.

Speaker 5

Loss, it was possibly the worst playoff loss in Dallas Cowboys history. I mean, they almost put fifty points up at your spot in at and T Stadium, like, know what he should do, but it ain't looking too good.

Speaker 2

For a mask.

Speaker 4

It's indefensible. Uh, the way that this team was prepared to go out there and knew he We've we had so much back and forth talking about Mike McCarthy in his job.

Speaker 2

You've defended him.

Speaker 4

You've had moments where you've been on the fence I think everybody it's hard to imagine a guy going twelve and five three seasons in a row, and now you're talking about replacing him. But then nothing could have prepared you for that effort. And that's the only thing that I'm saying. You put all of that on the head coach, your team coming out flat, some of the miscues that you're having now.

Speaker 2

And I know that.

Speaker 4

I feel as though dan Quinn has total autonomy when it comes down to play calling. But at any point this Mike McCarthy say, hey, let me, y'all hit me, put Dan on with me, pass me in, let's zoom right quick.

Speaker 2

Hey what we got going on on thatt DQ.

Speaker 4

We need to get we need to get this thing on the rest because his everything is on the line for him, And again, nothing could have prepared any of us for that effort. And so I think that solely lies on Mike. And with one year left on his contract, it's either coach this one year out or extending and I don't see, I don't see how any of that is productive here if he does that. Yeah, listen, I'm not sure what Jerry should do. I know Jerry wants

the Super Bowl. I believe I've heard him mention talking about not having much time. You don't have time for rebuilds all that stuff. So I think the issue is the twelve and five thing is an issue like this is. This is probably the first time where I can say a team going twelve and five three years in a raw.

Speaker 2

Hear yourself say it hurts you.

Speaker 4

It hurts you, like you going twelve and five three years in a row and ending like this on multiple occasions at home, It hurts you because you don't have any confidence throughout the entirety of the season. No matter how well you play thirteen and three, four to whatever, the thirteen and four thirteen whatever, you don't have any

confidence in that. You don't like you don't have any confidence as an owner, as an organization that hey man, even though we playing this will when we get to the playoffs, this is going to translate from regular season ball to playoff football. And until you are able to get that figured out, you gotta you.

Speaker 2

Gotta sleep on it. You gotta sleep on that, bro. I don't know. I don't know because I like big Mic, but it real quick.

Speaker 5

It kind of makes it a little bit more a little worse when you're the offensive coordinator as well, because if you'd had coaching offenses and that the defensive that.

Speaker 2

What y'all doing over there?

Speaker 5

You the guy, You the guy out there colonies offensive plays and trying to make this this offense look productive against a defense that no one up here, myself included, would have sat there and be like, oh that that that team little, that defense is legit, they're gonna shut it down.

Speaker 4

Alexander was not even fully'll he was hobbled out there.

Speaker 5

So I just think that makes it look a little worse because even though the score was with forty eight to thirty two, I mean they didn't you know that, we all know what.

Speaker 2

It was has to here.

Speaker 4

But you guys have had you guys have had head coaches and that have either been defensive coordinators or offensive coordinators.

Speaker 2

Are neither.

Speaker 4

Have you ever been in a situation like this where look, you're calling out this this guy in question, he's the head coach, but he's also your offensive coordinator. The biggest I mean, how do you separate that If it's a bad defensive performance and it's d Q, wait a minute, and how do we make these adjustments? And I think this that's the pickle.

Speaker 2

So in Philadelphia, Nick s Heireanni.

Speaker 3

By all accounts, they're talking, they're gonna talk about his job there.

Speaker 2

I think it's crazier than talking about.

Speaker 3

Talking to to a source today. Up there, they're saying Jeff Lourie would talk about Bill Belichick like for him, Bill Belichick is something he talked about Arthur Blank and the found I've already interviewed Bill Belichick, and we've heard about Bill Belichick's name here who sold And Jerry and Bill like each other. They like each other. But once again, Mike has opened himself up for the conversation. And if you're Jerry Jones and you're Stephen Jones, they have to

have a conversation with each other. If we do something, where do we go. I'm going to give you a couple of situations that I thought the team who fired the coach made a mistake and they ended up being correct. My man Dwayne Casey doing when he was here the Dallas Matters. That assistant goes up to Toronto Coach of the Year, be saw you, Jerry fired him, hired Nick Nurse.

Speaker 2

We saw what happened.

Speaker 4

Next year, they won a championship, They won a Championship. Do you have to think about Tony Dungee and Tampa in that situation. How Gruten comes in the next year and they win Super Bowl.

Speaker 3

I was having the conversation with somebody yesterday that was another thing. I was going to bring up Tampa Bay and the ownership. The glazier said, you know what, another failure. They went and got John Gruden. Gave up picks for John Gruten and it turned out in their favor. I thought Grady Little was a good manager for the bar Bustin Red Sox and make the American League Championship Series, almost made the World Series melt down and fighting and

bringing Terry fran Code. They go win the World Series. I'm like, man, why would you fire guy? Look at all the success. He said, you guys are too young to remember this. But Doug Collins was a good coach for the Chicago.

Speaker 2

He was great coach.

Speaker 3

And Jerry Krouse came in there and said, you know what, man, we're gonna be right. I'm gonna bring in I'm gonna bring in his in master off the bench and Phil Jackson took over. But I was like, man, they can't fire Doug Collins.

Speaker 2

And it worked.

Speaker 3

Mike McCarthy's now put himself in that position where the ownership is going they're going to ask the question, what do we do? Because these are colossal failures. It was laid out the last three coaches. Wade Phillips number one seed, two thousand and seven, you gotta buye week, Romo whitting and Bobby Carpenter go to Cabo, Jessica Simpsons coming to Texas Stadium. You beat a Giants team by ten and eleven points. They beat you, send you home. This was a team, to me, of all the teams I have

covered here, that was the most super Bowl team. I thought they had oh seven, oh seven. So then's Jason Garret Dak's rookie year. You got another team, number one seed, got to bye week. It's McCarthy and company who coming here.

Aaron Rodgers converting the third and thirty they win. And then you've got now Mike McCarthy here, a number two seed, two games at home, potentially facing a number seven seed with a quarterback who's never started a playoff game, and you got worked twenty seven to nothing, and then it was lights out. And then the games we've seen this happen here what changes if you're Jerry doesn't start with your head coach, because we know Jerry's not firing himself.

Speaker 2

I mean when you put it.

Speaker 4

Like that, I mean, I mean the craziest part about it is, I think it's horrible time of a big mike with some of the names that are out there, like you're looking at you're looking at guys who who who are have had success in the league, who they look like the new shiny object because you arts of the five and you just looking for somebody to be able to give you that playoff win in that playoff experience because it hasn't worked out here.

Speaker 2

The timing is horrible.

Speaker 4

If one of these guys say they want to come to the Dallas Cowboys, I think they have a hard time saying, now we're gonna we're gonna stick with what we got, Like I think you have a difficult time doing that. But we all said this before we before the game happened. If you lose this game, especially if you lose it horribly, this is this is gonna be This is gonna be an issue.

Speaker 2

It's gonna be issue. Nobody got hurt.

Speaker 4

Everybody was healthy, probably the healthiest you've been all season and and this happened, So I think I think it's horrible timing.

Speaker 2

It's just adding all of those variables that you just had.

Speaker 4

It makes the case even worse for Mike and with not only who's there, but the health of your team and what you ran up against. And they did not respond to you in that moment, and that that can't bowl well. And I can't think like Jerry in this

situation because I'm thinking continuity. I'm also thinking about how Dak performed, thinking about this offense, but I'm also thinking about that loss, and I'm I don't want to ever be in a position like that where I expect the result with this leadership and I don't get the game that I'm expecting because I honestly think we run away with that game.

Speaker 5

Yeah, it's not looking good, Like I said, it's not looking good, and you want to shake things up, like you said, you may want to get a new voice in there. You can't do anything with the quarterback as a quarterback's he's locked in. He's locked in, so you got to go with him further on. And maybe it is, you know, an opportunity to get a new voice in there.

Speaker 2

But I don't know. I don't know what they need to do with this one. That's a tough one. He is the Bill Parkson.

Speaker 3

I mean, Bill Belichick has participated in twenty percent of the Super Bowls that have ever been played as an assistant.

Speaker 2

Or as their head coach. He a quarterback and true a quarterback. You know Tom Brady ain't walking through that door. I was there.

Speaker 3

The last time Bill Belichick won a playoff game with a dude named not named Tom Brady was Benny tests to thirty in nineteen ninety four. So it's been a minute, but I remember when the San Francisco forty nineer said no to Tom Brady, we got Jimmy g How'd that work out?

Speaker 4

And I want to be fair of Bill Belichick. I'm not hyping up the rumors anything, but Dak Prescott is better than Cam Newton when he was in New England. He's better than Mac Johnes'.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 4

So when you when you're looking at a guy like Bill Belichick and saying what level quarterback does he have if he's here, the level quarterback that he has is much better than what he's had since Tom Brady has left in New England.

Speaker 3

Here's the last thing on Belichick as we close the show, if Philadelphia enters the conversation to get him, yes, if they do, be interesting because I don't know if Jerry wants to you know, he's a competition there. But Bill wants to coach next year because he wants to get the fifteen wins and he wants to become the all time leady coach.

Speaker 2

He's already interviewed with the land so he wants to coach.

Speaker 3

If Jerry wants to entertain this, they're going to have to make a decision on Mike McCarthy pretty quick one way or the other to.

Speaker 2

Try to have the conversation. Mike.

Speaker 3

I like Mike, but you put yourself here. I don't know where they go. I'm not in eighty one year old owner who, as we said, doesn't have time to have a bad time.

Speaker 2

He did have good time.

Speaker 3

It's a shocker, man, But they're not about to run it back with the same old They will be changes.

Speaker 4

Well, you're not gonna have opportunity to have these type of these type of head coaches free and available probably for what because when you extend find it.

Speaker 2

So I mean Tom Man, Tom.

Speaker 3

Put yourself out there We've seen people make change and go back to another one when they fire by boy Bucks, Show Walter.

Speaker 2

With the Yankees. I mean he just made the playoffs. Man, Yeah, you lost a good team in King Griffith Jr.

Speaker 3

Bringing Joe Tory when when the damn World Series the next year in Arizona they put him out, you know they did in Arizona next year when the damn World here.

Speaker 4

So you said so, sometimes is the best choice to go and fire a guy when you almost get there.

Speaker 2

And then when you think Mark Jackson, you think Jackson.

Speaker 4

You got a lot of examples coming out here. I'm like, respectfully, yeah, so that's where that's hey, I like my we'll open that door and does Jerry walk through it? If so, we'll see.

Speaker 3

We are off the rest of the week, so we will reconvene with the players lounge on Monday.

Speaker 4

See, Man, they lost and now not a show cut down. You finished the week out your stuff, and yet it hurt everybody. Everybody hurts. Everybody hurt.

Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

Take care.

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