Player's Lounge: Have They Done Enough Yet?

I guy, Danny mccraig has taken the week all We have a full hour with a whole lot of topics to get to. We are going to give you our opinions. You may not like it, but we're gonna tell it like it is. That's the job of the players. Und Here brought to you by Hotels dot Com. Church. How are we doing? Man? I'm blue good man. It's a beautiful day out there in the Metro place. Man. The sun shining might get around, the golfing might not, but you know, it's a beautiful day and I'm on the

plays now. So like I said before, Man, where else would you rather be? I thought about what time do you do you like your tea times for golf morning afternoon. Okay, I'm more of a morning guy because, like you know, I dropped my kid off at school and I like to get on the course right after that. So I'm more of a you know, nine am type guy. Knock it out, knock the three and a half hours out

and they still have the rest of the day. I'm not I'm not a big one afternoon golf because you feel like you did a whole day and you get the whole days gone. So I'm more of a morning guy. But speaking of that newing, you need to get out there with me. Man, I'm telling you you need to get out there with me. Have you played Craig Craig Ranch at all? No? I had not played Craig Ranch. Hit. I had not. Okay, Um, I've got a date right now to play next month, and UM let me see

if I can get you squeezed in on this. Um, I'll tell you everything. Okay, I'll do that. I'll do that. We'll try to make make it make a morning to on that out there in McKinney. M the Cowboys with a whole lot of news this week last night making news where they signed Demante CAZy, a free safety with the Atlanta Falcons, who defensive coordinator Dan Quinn would had him when he was a head coach, and um the secondary coach of the Cowboys, Joe was with him last year.

So this is a guy locked in here. Church, You and I we spoke about this, and I set my desire that if you're going to hire dan Quinn, you need to allow him to bring in the players who can teach and explain his system. Do you want a free safety in this type of system? That's what he had in Atlanta, which Super Bowl had Earl Thomas up there in Seattle. So here's a guy that comes in here now, Kazy And by the way, it's pronounced Kazy like jay Z. CAZy has miss town Achilles in Week four. Okay,

but he's a seven years old. Here's the guy that led the NFL one year and picks. So you have gone through a tourn Achilles. What does it take to get back and what should Cowboy fans realistically expect from Kazy next year coming off that Achilles which you tour a week four rollo, I mean Achilles Achilles injury. Admits it's not it's not what it used to be, you know, in the past, like the early nineties, early two thousands, where if you had an Achilles injury, it was over,

your career was done. Medicine has brought us a long way. Technology and all that has brought us a long way. So achilles, they aren't as devastating as they once were. You still, I believe you still never get that same explosiveness, that same pop that you had previous to the Achilles, but you can't get close to it. And thankfully for Kaz when he comes out here, he has a training staff with the Dollas Cowboys who are very familiar with

the Achilles injuries. I mean myself, they rehad me. I was able to come back, started every game from thirteen to sixteen. And Tyron Crawford is another case. Tore his achilles, and he's a different body type. He's a ors a defensive lineman, and they were able to rehab him and get him going and he was able to sound a big contract afterwards and have a lengthy career. So for me, they have a lot, they know a lot about the injury and they know how to rehab it. So Casey

should be in great hands with this training staff. But in saying that, realistically, I feel like CAZy when he comes back that first year out of your achilles injury, it's a little tough. It's a little tough, your little stiff. But as you get back going into things, he should be able to get back and get back rolling quick because he's a younger guy, so he should be able to get back in there and get rolling quick. And this is a guy, like you said Nui, who knows

the system he was in then quint system. He knows that he's that high whole safety, and he has some versatility to him because he can play the nickel as well, so he's a versatile rangey safety. And that's when he and you have been clamoring for this whole offseason, we need a vet guy in the back end, like a CAZy, who knows the system, who can get these young guys lined up. It looked like it was between him or Hook and they chose Hazy. To me, I'm not so

sure about that. Maybe we'll talk about that a little bit later. But the guy they're getting, he's a ball hawk, win healthy, and if he can get back to any type of semblance of what he was when he was in Atlanta and that whole safety. He can be a benefit for this defense. Let's just hope he's able to kind of recapture that ball hockey mentality when he gets here in Damas. All right, let's stay right there. Okay, you want You spoke about Malik Hooker for a first

round draft pick from Ohio State. So did you want Hooker over Kazy? Oh? Yeah, I mean nothing against Casey, but I just felt like Hooker. He's a bigger body. I felt like he can be more interchangeable because I know they'd like to run his high hold. But if you get interchangeable safeties, you can go back and forth and offenses can't just key on them. Oh this guy's down, they must be in this type of defense, or when this guy comes in, they must be in man to man.

So I feel like he'd be more interchangeable. They're both good ranging safeties, but they come off of injury history. As if we know the Hooker, he's coming off with achilles as well, so they both had their injury histories. So for me, a raw I would have chosen Hooker because I feel like he's more of an interchangeable guy. But CAZy is not. You know, that's not a knock against Casey because he can go into that slot as

well and play Nicols. So they're both versus guys. But I think I would have leaned towards Hooker, but not a bad sign at all by getting Casey. See, I'm the opposite on this. I wanted Kazy because I go back to this thing we've talked about bringing in someone who knows and understands your system. And I got this

from former Dallas Cowboys defensive back Thurman Thomas. He was an assistant in Baltimore with Rex Ryan, and so when Rex Ryan got the head coaching job with the Jets, he went with him and he became the defensive coordinator. So they brought Jim Leonard, the safety who could teach the guys on the back end. Then they brought in Bart Scott, the linebacker who could teach those guys right

there in the middle. And I can't remember who they brought in on the defensive line, but they brought three guys from Baltimore with them, and they had to pay them, but that was what they were trying to do. Hey, let's teach these guys the defense and look the Jets. From a defensive standpoint Underrect Ryan, they were a good football team and once a playoffs. Offensively, they had their issues. And I go back to my time when I covered the Lakers where Phil Jackson took over and he brings

in a John Salis. John Sali's biggest experience was he could teach Shaquille O'Neil what a big man needed to do within a triangle. And then Phil also brought in Ron Harper and once again the experience that he brought that the most valuable asset was teaching Kobe Bryant. Hey, this is what we're looking to do. This is what tex what wants run, this is what Phil is looking for.

And for me, when I look at Kazy, hey, if you've finally got somebody here as a safety who can tell these guys and I'm expecting them to go with young corners, Okay, you already got dig Let's say they use one of those draft picks on the corner that here's a guy, right, but tell people this is what you want, this is what you want to do. And I just think that's a benefit, and that to me is why I would I said Kazy over Hooker because now Joe Vitt also knows he could talk to this guy.

So now you've got two people in the room speaking the same language to anyone and everyone else. The head I mean, the assistant coach at your position, your defensive coordinator, and now you've got him adding Keyan O'Neil, who they also signed. Um. I just think now you've got two levels where people have an understanding of what is wanted by the defensive coordinator. Neil is going to start in the linebacker room. Got that from head coach Mike McCarthy

yesterday when I went out to the start. He spoke to the meeting and we got to meet with him for the first time and over a year. So I want to get your take. Also, one year deal for Casey, one year Neil for one year deal for Neil who also played down in Atlanta for Quinn and Joviti. Your take on him. Yeah, I think that was an extremely solid acquirement of you know, Keian o'mill. Like, I don't think it's a you know, flashy big name like, oh, we're just one pick that we're one Keyan O'Neil away

from being a super Bowl contender. Like I don't think it's that type of pick, but I think in the role that he'll play, hopefully the role that he'll play, I think it's an extremely solid pick. I don't like him as in every down safety. I know you said he's gonna start with the linebackers, and I hope that's the case. I hope they found like a little niche for him there that I don't like him as in

every down safety. He's more of that box safety. It can blitz, he can cover the tight ends a little bit here, and Mary can play some zone, be that enforcer type guy in that secondary, kind of like a Cam Chancellor. So I see the role that he wants to that he might build a niche for is that sub package linebacker, whether he comes in for Vander esh, whether he comes in for Jalen Smith, because we know both of those linebackers on third down can be liabilities

in coverage. And I'm not saying, you know, Keyan O'Neill is is you know, Earl Thomas or something. He's covering all the wards stuff as well. But I think he's a better guy in space and a better coverage guy than those two linebackers. So I would love for him to come in on third downs, be that sub guy, be that guy, that that enforcer, that blitzer kind of cover the scatbacks or the tight ends here and there.

I like that role for him, that he won't be in every down guy, so when he comes in, he'll be super fresh, and I think that's what they need out there. We talked, we talked about this on earlier podcasts with the Players Lounge, that you feel they need that cover linebacker and he might get a safety back you know by nature, but he can come in. He's big enough to be that guy. He's big enough to

be that cover linebacker, and I think he can. He can benefit being in that role as a third down kind of sub guy to help this secondary and help this team overroad. I was talking with Rodney Harrison of NBC Sports and Rodney lives down in Atlanta, and that was the thing he told me about Cantley. He says, don't put him in safe and can't come he cannot cover, But he says, put him down there in the box and having covering some linebackers, he can help you. And to me, I look at this and say, did you

improve your football team? I feel like they improved the football team, and yes that and this is where fans get get old, you know, a little salty and one year deals you're looking at, in my opinion, some stop gaps. Hey, let's just put let's plug this hole in right now. It's not permanent, but it's gonna plug it right now and will make it secure. So maybe there are more

additions that come via the draft. Maybe there's an addition that comes that there's a post June one cut and somebody is able to come to you, But for now, it's about can you put a group that you can line up on defense right now? And to me, I look at having Kasey as an improvement over Xavier. To me, that's how I feel, and I think that, okay, all right, and bringing in Neil is an improvement. On the third linebacker.

You have Sean Lee. Loves Sean Lee personally, but he's older and Sean Lee's availability was always in question and Joe Thomas has gone. So I look right there and I say, okay, this is this is major football team better and they know what the coordinator wants. How many times did we do the players allows last year? And you said, do guys know what in the world they're doing out there. Do they have an understanding of what

right wants? And I think that's the biggest thing that dan Quinn hopefully he can bring down to this Dallas defense is just a simple, simplistic style defense where guys are, Okay, this guy motioned over here, we gotta check to A and B or this down emotion over here, we gotta have a check here. You saw the gears turning last year. It was just too much. Guys were thinking too much out there and it costs his team. So hopefully he can bring down that simple defense. He got some tools

with him. We talked about the carpenter needed his tools, so he brought some tools with him. He asked Kaz as the whole safety. And now we've got keyan O'Neil hopefully being that sub linebacker, that third down situation guy coming in there to fill in that cover spot because we knew we knew these two last year Jaden Smith and Lvee they were big liabilities in coverage. I feel like keyan onil can come in and do what he can do on third down against the tight ends or

against the scatt back. And overall think I think this defense has improved. I think bringing up the guys that they brought him, it has improved. And I think one of the biggest moves that they made was telling all this Smith he's not going to be back. I mean that opens the door for Randy really need to get a lot more snaps. It opened the door for Randy Gregory to get a lot more snatched, and I think him, paired with d Law on that edge, I think they

could be something fearsome. So I think so far these moves as they're not as flashy as some of us might want. I think they're solid of raw and they improved this team well. When we were speaking with the head coach in the media yesterday, Alden Smith was brought up, and that David Moore, the Dallas payn who's asked the question, Mike mccarthur was like, hold all player, he said, I haven't on Alden Smith. That's what that's what hedges And so to me, this is just my interpretation. Either Jerry

hasn't told him we're not bringing him back. But what's the thing. We see they've brought back the people they wanted. Jordan Lewis get self the contract, you know they wanted to have him back in the fold. And if they wanted Alden Smith, and especially we're talking about a pass rusher, if you wanted the pass rusher, you'd have made a move. They didn't make a move. Yes, free agency, free agency start anything. Guess what, Nobody else made a move here.

So he's trying to leave it like, hey, it's not over all. You know, we could bring it back. And I'm just sitting to myself saying, the only way I can see Alden Smith. The only way as if they don't find anyone in the draft or in free agency post June first, then they can go get I just I just don't see that guy back, based on how we've watched the Cowboys do business so many times. Yeah, I don't see it at all. I mean, like you said, Jerry never left the guys. He wants to get out

of the building. And like you said, he goat Lewis back on his deal. We signed a couple of other gas, we signed a couple of deal women, and we could have had that allocation towards I don'tunderstand because I don't think he's demanding that much on an open market right now. But as we've seen last year towards the end of the season. Matter thak was, it was probably midway midway through the season and beyond where he kind of just

fell off this cliff, you know. And and I don't know if he'd be better suited as a rotational guy or and not a starting out of every down guy. Maybe he'll get more production that way, But like you said, I don't see them bringing him back unless something, you know, maybe an injury happening, he's still on the market, or you know, I just don't see an overall coming back. The production just wasn't there. And there's guys that we have in the building now that need the reps. Randy Gregor,

he showed out last year. He deserves to get more snaps out there and be that guy opposite the Marcus Lord. So bringing all the Smith back, I think it just clouds the room a little bit. He had a you know, he had a great story, but I think it's better than they both part ways man. And I looked at Smith and I was trying. I was trying to find out my phone right there because I thought I bookmarked it.

But his production, I mean, you talk about it started hot and then basically from the last three months of the season. He didn't do anything. You know, the facts, the pressures, everything was just down. So basically he did everything, all of his damage in the first month of the season and then he fell on And so I just think that that whole Olden Smith thing is just like Mike Nolan, you tried it, you know what, it failed,

move on along. And I know there's some well they're trying, but they're his supporters say, well, knew it was just the first year. Let's see what he could do it. I'm like, no, no, you got a new coordinator. Move on. And one of the problems I've had buried through the years is the Cowboys are the kings of having holding on the guys two years too long. Just he's like like, here, you know, just just move on. You tried it with

Aldon Smith. It didn't work. McCarthy tried to say, well, I don't want to get into whole four three three four. You're trying to run different fronts, multiple fronts all the way. But no, Alden Smith, no, move on along. I don't see them meeting him. It just didn't work. It started how it ended, and you can't bury you've played the game.

You know yourself. You can't lie to yourself and if you're and I feel like Mike McCarthy's lying to himself because he likes all the smith personal exactly like the old saying goes man, you don't have to lie to kick it all right, Like may my my god, little we know, you don't want to burn bridges. You don't want to make the guy you know you like them as a guy. You don't want to kind of just cut the acts like that. But we all know, I mean,

this production fell off immensely, and we all know. You know, Randy Gregory's right there in the fold. I don't want to say we don't beat them, because you never know what injuries. But it's just now, I don't think it's a good match coming back and going forward. And and that's speaking of that Mike McCarthy conference. I mean, he said a lot of things. You know, we're gonna bring to the three four, elements of the three four and properties of the fourth three, we're gonna mix them together.

I don't think we need to go down that road. I mean, we we looked at Las year with Nolan with all these multiple looks and different factors and all this other stuff, and we look like a complete dumpster fire out there. On defense. I think what I think needs to happen on this defense, which dan Quinn hopefully can bring here, it's just make everything cut and dry. We're in covering three man. Look, we're in covering three.

You know when we're in let's go, let's play. And he had his best success when he had those type of defenses. Now he had better players on that defense. But according to everybody out there, dan quinns a solution. He could have come in here and make these guys sat back into that twenty eighteen form where they were Pro Bowls and all over the place. So if he can bring there and bring that simple style, I think

it will been up to us. But we didn't get rid of this multiple look, multiple scheme, these properties from here, these properties from there. I just think it caused too much confusion, and it showed last year in this defense. Here's something I took away from what he said, which in my mind I didn't really like what I heard. I think the best people know exactly what it is they do. They know exactly what it's and I would like to ask dan Quinn. Dan Quinn, what are you

running for? Three? Are you running multiple? Three? Four? I mean, to me, the best ones know who they are. If you ask an offensive guy, hey are you are you pass? You know your offensive? Passing? Offensive? Running offense? I mean you know what you're gonna know what you are. You know, Andy Reid's a passing offense. That's what he does down there in Tennessee. Before Arthur Smith loved to become the Atlanta Falcons and coach, you know that was a running

offense here. You know what you are. Tell me what you are. That's what the best do. I love going in and out Burger. You don't think a lot about it. Alt Burger. That's all they do. And I'm sitting around here now and that's not one restaurant. And I'm not going to name a fast food chain, but they have so much stuff. And I always say to myself, the one reason why I really never love anything they have

because they make too much stuff. I've worked in fast food, Okay, I've worked in fast food, and I've had to make different types of things, and every time they added something to the menu, it was you had to think about. It was one more thing. And I always thought to myself. You know, if I wanted this particular thing, you need to go to this particular store to go get it. Raising kings, all right, what's one thing I like about raising kings? They just Tolely do his chicken and I

do any burgers not do at fish? And why are they so successful? That's what they do? You go out to chick fil A, Man, people love Chick fil A. That's what they do. And that's what I'm finding what that's what they're doing. You know what you are. And when when Mike came out there said man, we're gonna be when we could run four three three, It's I'm like, okay, but let me hear from dan Quinn. I mean really at this point time, let me hear from dan Quinn

and what dan Quinn's gonna do. And that's the thing we were talking about earlier in the Players and House earlier this year. Do we know the identity? Do we know what this defense is about or what this team is about overall? I mean we it's just to me, it's kind of just or we want to be this, we want to be that, and we're just okay at a lot of things. It's saying being great at one simple thing. And right now we I don't know, I don't know if you know what it happen to be

is because right now we haven't been told. We haven't been told what we're gonna do as a defense. So we'll just have to wait and see. All right, I'm gonna ask you this Church, when you left jack Dallas for Jacksonville, what was the defense that you guys had to win to the Nancy Championship? What was it? Was that Seattle defense that Gus Bradley single high defense and you knew what order for? You know, we knew he

Every time we came out, it snapped a little. I was at downbout a line of scrimmage and you knew what we were. We were either in a cover of three, we were a man, or we were blitzed. I mean there was there was no elaborate disguise, There was nothing like.

We did what we did and teams knew that. Now, granted we had a hillacious front seven, I mean we had to spit some of the best defensive linement I've ever played with out there, and we had a fast linebackers that can run and tackle and cover similar to what keyan O'Neill could do. Because when we had we had a I what was his name, I get Smith. He was at all linebacker Miles Jack and we had Telvin Smith, and Telvin Smith soaking wet was about my side.

So he was two seventeen maybe soaking wet, but that speed, that sideline of the sideline, he was able to do that. And that's the defense that I'm hoping we can get to here in Dallas. Like maybe we need a couple more parts here and there, but that that single high at Gus Fradley, that Dan Quinn and Seattle type defense. It works if you got the tools and you make it simple. And these guys just flying hit and I think we're all the way towards that. Well, we're just

gonna make it. Had a couple more pieces here and there. All right, let's take our first break right here on the Players Lounge, brought to you by Hotels dot Com. The Cowboys made another signing this week. I want to dive into this and get Church's take on this player. Mike McCarthy made some news in his press conference concerning another player. I also asked Mike McCarthy about the offensive line. Does it need to be retooled. And what's the help of the players. I'll tell you what he had to

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there was another safety the Cowboys signs. The Cowboys really addressing that defensive backfield this week with three signings here. Special teams captain played last year Detroit, started seven games there before that, he played in Minnesota. So many times we get on this show and we really do stress special teams. Spell This is how Danny made the Cowboys. Here.

Your thoughts on Curse being with this football team now, Look, I think it's a great sign And if the MAC was here, he'd be applauding right now because finally it feels like this organization, this team, they're taking special teams seriously.

I mean, look, they signed C. J. Goodwin, who was probably their best special teamer on the team, well on the team last year he was, and maybe in the NFL and then now you bring Cursing, who can be that kind of backup to Keian O'Neill and that sublinebacker system, and he can help out on special teams. Now, I did a little I did a little research on Pro Football Focus, and I think they had him listed way

down there as far as special team. I think he's like five hundreds or something like that when it comes to team. So hopefully he can ramp that up a little bit. But it shows that when they signed guys like that, they're putting the emphasis on special teams or not just bringing in guys and saying, all us throw him on punt or all us throw him on kickoff, because we've seen that can hurt your team special teams.

If you don't have guys out there with that mentality to go out go out there and just run through walls, it can hurt your team overall. We've seen and hurt our team in the past. So I just like it overall that they're putting the emphasis on bringing guys in that can play strictly special teams and can help this team out overall. It can be a benefit for us and now they're taking it serious. So another solid, another

solid acquisition by a Dallas Cowboys. So special team guys is gonna be on specials and then also is a backup player at the safety position here injuries happen, even bigger dude, it's something. Yeah, he can be there. That sub blearning backer guy behind came so to me, I think we don't talk enough about who are your backups. Bill Parcels used to do an outstanding job when he spoke to us in the media to say, hey, I'm

always churning the bottom of the roster. You always have to look at because at some point in time you're gonna have to go to the bottom of your roster for guys to make some plays and help you win some football games. Here and not picking on the Kansas City Chiefs, but just pointing out because this is, you know,

the the latest example of what we saw. They lose their two starting tackles and they had to put a guard at tackle in the Super Bowl, and then they had to take another backup tackling Mike Rimmers who's an older player, and put him out there and they got eight up by Tampa Bett a party. It's imperative that you have backups that can can play Cameron Brake was

a backup. Remember now they signed Rob Gronkowski, that Cameron Bread, and then they also had used the first round pick a couple of years ago when the big kid out out of Alabama. Well, Oj ends up getting hurt, and so now Break becomes the starter with Gronk coming on and playing, and you know, Gronk had to touchdown the Super Bowl. But just you know, unique depth, because I remember a lot of people thinking that. I thought at first, well, if you've got Bread and you've got Oj and it

got Gronk, I mean, that's too many dudes. But guess what they needed all three of those tight ends. And tight ends are a big part of how Tom Brady's had a success through the years. So the back of the back end of your roster and some guys that you may think are third teams, this is important. So I look at the Cowbirs, I just huge. I like what. I like what they're doing. It's not flashy, Okay, it's not the big free agent signing that a lot of people want it. But I just look here and I

just say, Okay, this can make sense. This can make sense. Neil makes sense, Kaz makes it. Curse it makes sense. That's what I'm looking at. And we've seen we've seen how injuries can affect this team. Last year, I mean, we had guys go out and left in right and we put Hoosh Posh an offensive linemen together. I mean, we were playing fantasy football. Let's move Zach marked over here.

We can you know, put me out this year, we can put Williams here and then you know, eventually they jailed and they gather it together towards the end of the season. But like you said, those those depth pieces, they're very valuable and they're not the flash like, oh my goodness, they acquired this guy, can't believe that we're going to the super Bowl. Then, not those type of flashy picks. But they come in handy because football is a violent, violent sport and there's a long one and

they're they're thinking about adding another game to it. So injuries happen. Injuries happen all over the NFL, and to have depth pieces like this on your team, it comes in value. And hopefully these guys or be able to take advantage of that. But I mean, we need, we need these death pieces, and I'm glad they signed these pieces. Overall, but also with the offensive line. I mean that that gets you Joe Looney, Like Joe Looney, I think it's a valuable piece of an offensive Line's a free agent,

so so we'll see xactly he's a free agent. Yea, his market is and where he goes. Remember and you were you were a youngster at the time. But the Cowboys signed Dion Sanders. So they signed Dion Sanders. They already had Larry Brown, who's a starting quarterback on a Super Bowl team. But Larry became the third quarter went to the bitch because you had Kevin Smith. So what happens right out of the gate, here's Dion and Kevin Smith. You're starting corners. Pump ends up getting hurt, so Smith

is out for the year. Larry Brown has to come in and play and ends up, you know, with the game winning interception of Super Bowl thirty. Had two picks in that in that thing, and that's Larry ended up getting paid by the Raiders. But that's that thing about death. You just you have to try to find it where you can. Um. Mike McCarthy made news yesterday when he told the media Tyrone Crawford, after nine seasons, is going to stop playing football and retire thirty one years old.

He's a guy you played with church. Your thoughts on Tyrone Crawford calling it a Christian man, what a great dude. I mean, though I know we kind of got out got after him a little bit during the season because of his productivity. But I mean, over all, this guy

has had a heck of a career. Man. I mean, he's in the trenches, down in and down now that he was a third round pick, and from the beginning when he came to the Dallas Cowboys, he had that just that dog mentality, the guy that you want to go into the fight with, the guy that you want to go to war with, will have you back. That's the type of guy he is. And he did all the dirty work down there. He got all the double teams. He kind of when when Officer Blenden weren't able to

get up to the second level. He was a reason that Jay Lennon and Sean and twenty and eighteen they were able to run sideline the sideline because he was that guy that did all the dirty work for him. You know, he didn't have a lot of shacks or a lot of you know, tackles, for loss, for all that stuff. But the guy is a solid teammate and he was a solid player, and I'm glad his career he was able to play with one team and that's something that a lot of players aren't able to do.

They're not able to do the whole distance with one team, and he was able to do that. And like I said, he was a great captain, great team leader, and he was an amazing locker room guy. I mean, this guy, he would give you the shirt office back if he could. So great career. Salute to that man. He had a hell of a career. And I'm looking forward to seeing what he does post football because he's an intelligent man, So I want to see what he could do post football.

But hell of a career for Tylan Crawford. So Crawford is not going to be a member of Cowboys anymore. He was a free agent. Sean Lee is also free. McCarthy yesterday said that they were still having conversations and basically said that there's nothing's been decided in Stone about Sean Lee. But to me, when I just look at the kind of roster space they had and the money that you had to commit when you bring in a

veteran player like Sean Lee. I don't see how he has a role because you brought in Keyan O'Neill, who they said, and there's a McCarthy's words, he's going to start in the linebacker room. So I'm thinking right out of the gate, all right, you've got vander Esh, you've got Smith, you got Neil. If you bring back Sean Lee, where does he fit in? And this other key component I had to keep trying to stress to fans, Sean

Lee's not a guy that's gonna play special teams? Can you for to have a guy on your football team who has two things to work again, three things work in some one age two his ability and to stay healthy, and three doesn't play specials. I just don't see how you can do that. Yeah, you're right. I just can't see just the special teams part of it. Because he's the guy that's gonna be on the active roster. He'd

be dressing right there. You're only allowed to dress, I believe with forty six or that was the old rule. But he's another guy that's just gonna take up a roster spot. And I mean, this is a hell of a guy. A hell of a team may help a coach out there, but that's the spot that you can bring in somebody who can you can help out on special teams, who can go out there and run on punt, run on kickoff, block on kickoff return, do all those things and add a depth piece for the linebacker unit,

like like a Luke Gifford somebody like that. So to me, if he were to come on there, if they were to bring him back, I mean, it'd just be filling up a roster spot. And I just don't think they need to do that. I think they're still talking because maybe maybe he was they want him to come back and coach. I'm not sure people wants to go that route, but you know, they just don't want to burn bridges.

So we'll see what goes on with Sean. But as far as bringing him back as a part of the team on the football team, apt I just can't see it happened. I just can't see it. And I also think that the Cowboys will make some type of move in the draft. And when you just look at contract situations, here's something that you in my opinion, you look at where guys are, then I think you have to try to look to to bring in other guys. Jimmy John's always you say, hey, I'm trying to draft your replacement.

So we know Jalen Smith's contract the team after this season, they're done with the guaranteed money, so they could move on from Jalen. Then you've got Laton Vanderesh next year if they pick up if they pick up his fifth year option, and they've got to make this decision a little bit later on this year. That I don't know. Man, they I expect them to do it. Okay, I expect I expect them to because it's what they do. Man.

Fear the unknown, the fear of the unknown has always been something that that has that's hurt Jerry Jones in my opinion, thinking, you know what, and we tell you said, they hold lot of guys a lot longer than they should. So without having a replacement for him, I think they just go ahead and pay the number. You pay the number. Now, Now here's the question. This is the bigger question. It's much more than the fifth year. It's doesn't get a

second contract because Vanderess get a second number. That's the bigger question. And I just think he's gotta play all sixteen. He's gotta I think he if he if he can get back to that that rookie year. But I mean when you as a player, when you got an injury like that, like that, that injury, it's subconsciously in the back yend mind, it's always gonna message. It's always gonna be there, like I don't want to stick my head

too far in there. And at the position he plays, he can be banging each in every down with a big, three headed pound lineman coming at you, and subconsciously you're always gonna be like, oh, let me make sure I got my neck out of there. It is not going to let you be that explosive player that you once were. So for me one, he has to play all sixteen and he has to get back to that playmaking mentality, which I'm not sure he's gonna be able to do so for me, you know, but you gotta figure out

if you're picking up before the season. So that's a tough call, man, That's a tough PHLL. At this point in time, just knowing their history of what they've done and what they have done, I believe that they'll pick up the fifth year option on Latin bands Also, I do believe we could see the Cowboys use a top one of their top three picks because remember they've got i mean got top four picks on a linebacker. You know, they've got a first round pick, a second round picking,

two third round picks. I'm just I'm just looking at them using one of these picks on a linebacker that they believe can cover. I look at a guy like a chassa ride at North Carolina. He's not listed as one of your top linebacker. You're the one of these not listens, you know, like Michael Parsons. But here's a guy that you can start to look and say, can he fit our scheme? And sad as a kid who can play it used to be a quarterback, which is interesting.

He started off as a quarterback and then he became a linebacker. And that's somebody that when he said why can he cover, it's like because he knows, he knows what he's seeing. I think that's an advantage for a player on defense, like, Okay, I know what I'm seeing here,

um so so we'll see, you'll see. But but I just think that when you started going to look into your linebacking corps you've got to start to address this and think long term here, because you've got injury questions with Van daresh Um, You've got is Jalen Smith going to be be what you want him to be? And then you've got Neil who's also limited as well. You at some point in time you'd like to get yourself a Devin Bush type of guy when you're on your

full party. And those injury questions, to me, they blow my mind here with the Cowboys, like we always either drafting or bringing in gays with previous injuries. Look at our whole defense right now. I mean, Jaylen Smith, even though he's played a lot, he's had an injury history, LB Ego, the injury history. We're bringing in Kaz who's coming off in a Kittles saying what ked on new? I mean, we're just fielding a defense full of injured,

injury prone players and it's scary. It's scary. That's why I hope this defense, this draft, we use it to stop filing defense man because we got a lot of guys out there with injury history, and we saw what happens if what an't two guys go down. This whole ship can see so It was tough, but we gotta hit, and we gotta hit defensively in this draft, which goes back to my thing about a guy like Sean Lee, that injury thing and not playing special teams. You simply

can't have that on your football team. And at a certain point in time, you've got to start to look at players. And I go back to another thing Bill Parcels used to say, are you a progress stopper? You bring in some of these guys, you bring them back, they're they're stopping the progress of a younger guy to see exactly what the smith and what can they do for you? And that was that was one of the guys I was gonna Alden Smith, you're blocking the progress.

See exactly what else can Randy Gregory be? What else can doorn Armstrong being, Um, you need to see this. I thought that Jason Witten's last year with the Cowboys, he was blocking the progress to see more of Jake, of what we can see from Blake Jarwin that we needed to see more. Um, you've got You've got to at some point in time just say, all right, you know an older player, thank you. We need to move on to a younger guy because we need to see.

And if you get to see earlier what a younger guy can do, then you can make a decision that may be smart enough that you can sign the player to a contract with more favorable terms before that, you know, and that you can project. So I just look at some of these moves and some of these guys and just say, are you a progress stopper for the Dallas Cowboy and all that? We need to move on from you.

And you can't forget the whole salary cap thing. Luke Gifford is going to be a cheaper player for you than Sean Lee and Luke Gifford is to be teams and that's what Sean Lee can't do. Right, So, if you're not one of my top three guys, my fourth linebacker can't be that dude that that's there. You know, it's like your third running back. Your third running back can't be a dude that's not out there playing special teams. You just can't have that, can't do it, can't be

on the team. Yeah. So so that is to me a real, a real big deal. There By the way, we got breaking news Dolphins trading and a number three pick to the forty nine ers for the number twelve pick. There's also some other things in there, But how about that, that's some breaking news and just see Dolphins go from um yes. And here's what I hate about that, because I was just talking with somebody the other day about

the Cowboys. I said, I think number ten could be in play if Jerry Jones wanted it to be, because if the quarterbacks are moving like we think they could move, somebody will want to come in at ten because you've got plenty of teams that are behind the Cowboys that are looking at a quarterback. And I mentioned the forty nine ers at twelve. I mentioned the New England at fifteen. I think the raid are just sitting here around seventeen. The Bears are at twenty, so the Cowboys could have

some options. So that Niners option is off the table here for Them's a smart move. Smart move by Miami. Look at it this way, Barry. You're you're now saying two is okay? Two was okay with it? We want to saying he's the guy. You're saying he's the man. Yeah, and you don't have to pay that price tag of a number three pick. And then of course they got other stuff here too, So um wow, so that just happened.

That just happen right here doing the players like, yes, and if you do, jim all right, So if the forty man is going up to three, they're going to have to a quarterback. They're getting one of those early guys, maybe the kid from b YU or Trade Lads, one

of those. They're getting one of those games. So Jimmy G. Jimmy G's on his way out there now that you think it's going to reunite, reunite, reunite with thell over in New England because they got him for the chief, so they ain't like, you know, if they don't cam to get they're getting hit with all this cap and didn't money or anything like that because they got him on a relativity cheap deals three Jim Yeah, I could seem they should be Jimmy Jim over to New England.

He's been in love. He wanted him to be the Aaron parent, you know, before Tom Brady said he got to get out of here. But I can see that easily happening in a way that things up now that I mean, all right here, here's what it is according to NFL Network. Uh Dolphins Niners make this trade. So if the forty nine ers get the third pick in the draft while Miami gets number twelve, they get a three and a future number one source I may say in the future number future number one source confirmed by

Adam Schefter. So what a fantastic deal for Miami. You go from three to twelve, You're gonna get yourself a future number one pick, and you get a three right there, and you get to cut down costs. Adam Schefter also forty nine ers are now square in the mix, but they're holding on a Jimmy Garoppolo and half no plans to trade him, per sources, So they may say we want to go back. Um, well, okay, I'll throw it out there this way. Jimmy's making money. I think it's

like twenty two I heard something like that. So that's not crazy money for a starter because of the way you have the salary cap down, you could fit two quarterbacks in for this price. Or you're doing to me, what should you say? You should say, I'm holding on to Jimmy Garoppolo because you want to get something better for You're basically saying, all right, give me a real offer. If you want the guy show me something. So this is you can you can get you a bid any

more out there. Let's see what happened to Jimmy. Jimmy's a solid que when healthy. You know, he's a solid quarter that he did just leave that team to the Super Bowl. So I mean, I'm not sure somebody would get him as a four number one, like they wouldn't pay a trade the first round pigermuting like that for him. But you can get you can get some solid death

pieces for Jimmy. G all right, let's take a break. Um, let's get into the draft with the Cowboys here, because now that they've made some moves, let's project what we think they could do at ten. And also the offensive line got a touch upon that as well, and that's also a part of the draft conversation on Neuis Scrugs got Barry Church born Dallas Cowboys player. We are kicking it with you right here on the players Lives on Dallas Cowboys dot Com radio. Hey, they're Cowboys fans with

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this is the beauty of doing this show. Here. We just find out that found out that the Miami Dolphins are in forty nine ers and made a trade in the first round forty nine ers going from twelve to three. They're also going to send a future number one pick two the Miami Dolphins, and Miami is going to get their third rounder this year. That story broken by Adam Schefter,

also confirmed by Ian Rappaport of NFL dot Com. Church in this Dame, you do not trade from twelve to three to take tackle or a lot that you do it for either a pass rusher or a quarterback. They're gonna go get a quarterback. And I believe this is just my opinion that quarterback is justin fields of Ohio sticked.

I would have to agree with you on that one, and I think so because if you think, if you look back at it, I mean a lot of people were trying to link the Shawn Watson and Mike and Mike Shanahana out there in forty nine or Land, and they would say how he would become an incidant MVP and this, that and the third about him, And if you look at it, I mean justin fields. I'm not saying he's a Shaun Watson, but they have a similar skill set. They're both athletic, they both have huge arms,

They're kind of this playmaker type quarterback. So they both had those same type of type of skill set. And I believe if the forty nine ers go up there and they grab him, I think they can get the most out of him, and he could be one of those, you know, one of those top rookie quarterbacks coming out. So I don't I can see it happening. I can see them going to get field justin Fields rather than you know, the kid from BYU or the kid from a trade as to get from out the Dakota States.

So I can see that that Fields happening for sure. Well, if we look at Trevor Lawrence going um number one in Jacksonville BYU quarterback or one number two to the Jets, and that leaves you fields. I And this is just me, I don't. I don't look when I look at Fields, I don't see Watson. I really see more of a polished Dak Prescott in college. I think that Dak Prescott played at a school like Ohio State, where you had

so many more folks around you versus Mississippi State. I think Dak could have had that same type of effect in terms of being a player that could lead a team to the college football playoff. You know, go to big time bowl game, Um, Mississippi State. You know, you're just limited by so much of what you what you have around you. You know, they're not a school that's gonna be in that national championship conversation. Um, it's just tough.

And I know he made him number one when he was there, but you know he was doing so much on his own getting a little help out there. I think he's more justin fields. I think fields at this point because it was an accurate passer and dad coming out of Mississippi State, DA's improved upon that. But but I just kind of look at, hey, what do I project justin fields as I think he can be in that Dak Prescott conversation. That's how I look at look at him. So to me, I think that's what the

forty nine ers do at three. So let's just keep talking about the draft. Right now, we're expecting three quarterbacks to go. There's no way they don't take Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville. The reason I say, b why they take the by quarterback? I think that you know they're gonna look at Zach and then if you take Zach Wilson, you don't have to pay him as much money as you would have to pay Sam Donald. You know, Sam

Donald's contracts is going up there. You can get you can get the kid from b y U and pay a lot less money and not have to make this decision as quick on a second contract. So I can see that happening. And then the forty nine ers take take fields right there. So that's quarterbacks one, two three. The Cowboys here sitting at ten. So as you see

quarterbacks go, this pushes down talent towards you. The boys, ah, here we go, are sitting in a position that they could and should be able to take a top corner at ten. Patrick Sutan from Alabama, the SEC Defensive Player of the Year who came in second for the Jim Thorpe Award. Patrick Sutan ran this week. He ran a four point four two forty yard dash. He's six ft two, two hundred eight pounds. Patrick's tan a second. His dad played the league. This is a guy that you hear

the word technician a lot of times. You're like, hey, he's not super brady than any one thing, but he just does everything well. Church, your take on that player and this and a forty yard time. Look, I've been beating the desk. I love this kid. This is who I think we need to get our fenth overall pick. Pair him with his former Alabama our teammate over there and dig and I think we have a set secondary.

We got the veteran guy that can control the defense back there in Kaz, who's been in dan Quinn's system. So I think it's only right that we get that other book and corner, and I pray that we get this guy and we do not go after, you know, a flashy offensive pick like the tight end out of Florida, Kyle Pitts. I keep hearing this name come up, and it's momentum. I understand. I understand. This guy is a

freak of nature. He's a mismatched nightmare, and supposedly he can just elevate your offense automatically when he gets in here. But we already have an explosive offense. We get all quarterback one back, we get we arguably top five. I would say, as far as we're our receiver Trio and Michael Gallup, CD Lamb and Cooper out there, we got. We just played Blake Jarlin. He's coming off with an ACL but to back him up, we had Dalton Shoultz.

Here's no scrub out there. So for me, we have so many offensive weapons, and that's not even to mention Ezekiel Elliott in the backfield. We have so many offensive weapons already to pass the ball around. I don't think we have that luxury of going after an offensive guy like Kyle Pitts when we have so many knees defensively. And I think if we go after Certain, will it

fix the whole defense to make us a top ten defense. No, but I think it will solidify that secondary, and that's one step closer to getting where this defense needs to be. If there was a flag, if there was a great defensive lineman, then go earlier than that. I would pick him because I believe going you build your defenses from the front to the back. But there's not that guy out there. I don't see a guy who can affect the pastor and rush the pastor as good as Certain

can play corner. So for me, I gotta go Certatin right there, solidify the secondary, and let's get it rolling for there. As long as we do not go offensive or first pick, I'll be even if it's not certain. As long as we're gonna go offensive, I'll be good. We just can't keep chasing this we gotta put up thirty five forty five fifty five points a game. When our defense is given up thirty five forty five fifty five points. We gotta start somewhere on the defensive side

of the ball. We can't keep pushing it back saying, oh, we'll dress the outside of the ball later, we'll dress out side of the ball later. We gotta put down on that side of the ball. And I think it starts with certain So hopefully that's our number, our tenth overall. Pick what you think the league. You're preaching to the water, You and I are singing the same hymn. No. I want to also bring in the name J. C. Horn a quarter out of South Carolina. He ran this week.

He ran a four point three nine. He's six foot one, two hundred and five pounds. Six gms were at his workout, so basically had a lot of gems who were in Tuscaloosa Atabama Pro Day and hopped on over to Columbia, South Carolina to check out the Gamecocks pro Day. There are some folks who believe that J. C. Horn has is a better player. I look at J. C. Horne and I think he's good he's good, but I love that certain is more certain. You know, I don't need

super flash right, who could come out here? Right? He's polished, He's played on a championship team. We looked at what Diggs did last year and I believe overall we say you know what for what he was asked to do and a messy defense. This guy was your leading interceptor and his teammate was better player at Alabama than him. I think that could be a solid duo and you can at least start someplace. But j C. Horn, your

thoughts on him. If the Cowboys saying, hey, we like this player, better see I gotta watch more film on jac Horn. I gotta see where he's at because you gotta be see the workout warrior. I'm always nervous about a guys that post reads ridiculous numbers and they're like workout warriors, but when they get to the field, it doesn't really add up. I mean, look at the guy from Yukon that came out after Byron. He was just I forget it. I don't want to butcher his last name.

He was like, yeah, he was a workout warrior. Combat he had you know, he's running this he's jumping that he dook like a Greek guy, and then when he got to Hope, he just couldn't play the position. So I'm not saying J C. Horne is that So I gotta do my more more studying him. As far as film is concerned. He could got workout Warriors like that. Okay A Cooper knew he's saying he could play. Then, Look, I still would go through with Certain because just the

pedigree alone. He has that dad. He's played ten plus years in the NFL. He's had that pedigree since a kid. Basically what a defensive back and supposed to do. He can play zone, he can play man. He's physical in the running game, which a lot of corners aren't nowadays. But he will stick his nose in there as a corner and he has the eyes for the ball. So for me, I'm still going with from still both with Certain at ten, but j C. Warn, I mean, he's

an impressive player. Like I said, I got to do more film studdying on him, But I'm still going Certain at ten. I think about the great Ozzie Knews him and how he ran his drafts in Baltimore, how Ozzie was so consistent with his first over his first picks in the first round, and it was really simple. I'm gonna go out here, get a really solid player. We're not gonna make a mistake. This is a guy who's gonna come in here and he's gonna start. What would

Ozzie do? What would Ozzie knew him do? If he were drafting at ten for the Dallas Cowboys, he would take Patrick's ten. He would he would just check off all these boxes and it would say, you know, it's gonna be a heck of a solid player that we can sit up here and plug him in here and he can get to a second contract. And that's something that I don't know if people think about it though.

The second contract is really where they may the money, and this is where it really pays off of you that, Hey, you know, we're now sitting here thinking we're gonna get about nine or ten years out of a player. And if you can get nine or ten years out of a player, then that shows that you drafted well and that the player lived up to the standards you want it,

and you gave him a second contract. I look at Patrick's r tan as a second contract guy Caleb Farley was a name linked to the Cowboys the Corner out of Virginia Tech. We find out this week that he needs a other back surgery. His agent, Drew Rosenhouse, says that he will conveniently be ready for training camp at the end of July. He also had an ACL that he tour while he was in college, so it's a second back surgery. There's some people who are saying maybe

the Cowboys should take him at pick forty four. So let's say the Cowboys go they go a different direction. Let's say they take an offensive tack or they take Kyle Pits, they take an offensive player at ten, and then here they are sitting at four four and Caleb Farty at Virginia Tech is there, Barry. Would you feel

comfortable if they pulled the trigger. No, no not because to me, like, look if we if he's at forty four, No, no, there's no way, because that means we have taking an offensive guy in the first round and we just cannot do that. But back to the Farley pick, I just don't I don't like bringing in gas with injury history. He's yet to play a down in the NFL. You say you at an acl he's going through a back surgery now he plays in the secondary. I don't I'm not.

I'm not comfortable bringing in the guy like that, who's been who's that injury history. We just talked about it earlier. With this defense I've named Lvee Jalen Smith. I mean, there's plenty guys on there who have already had injuries. We got it. We're fielding kian O'Neil, Casey's coming off and Achilles. We're fielding a defense full of injury prone guys. And I just don't want to bring in another injury

prone raum. Who's gonna miss if there is who's gonna miss OTAs and in the early mini camp because he's not gonna be ready till training camp. Then you gotta get him up the speed he has to get back into shape. I just don't see that. I just don't like that project right now for the Cowboys. Stick with certain at ten. I'm telling he's the answer. Oh, by the way, came Leop Farley didn't play last year. He sat it out, So to me, it all adds up to too many risks. At forty four, the Cowboys have

tried this thing with injured players before. Look, Sean Lee came from Penn State, dealt with injury and dealt with him his whole career. They bring in Jalen Smith, who basically had to sit out here. Well not basically, he had to sit out his whole first year with the Dallas Cowboys. I don't believe if I'm Mike, if I'm Mike McCarthy right now, I don't want to take anybody here may potentially had to sit or I can't count on.

They need walk in starters in the first and second round in my opinion, these two picks, and maybe even the third round, you need to get people who can walk in here and help your football team, especially on defense. So Farley is a guy. To me, I'm not just taking them out of the first round and the second round of the Cowboys. I'm taking them off by board period. I just don't want the player right now. To me, it's just too much of a risk. And we've seen

them do this. Bruce Carter came, he had injury history, and they just missed on these second round picked so many times in my opinion that I just feel like you need to just make a solid pick, a solid pick somebody who can play. So if it's Greg Newsom of Northwest Northwestern, who's there, then take that guy if that's where you go. So I was just just my take there by the way, Church, I forgot to tell you, man, I went to the Star this week. Our boy Shannon

hooked us up. Okay, we got the Snickers Snickers peanut brownies. Um, I gotta I got something I could take to your house. So I got I got one bottle, fly get something. I ain't got nothing to snackle. This is crazy. Oh this is I'm gonna tell you too. Man. It's really good. It's really I had something yesterday and then it hooked up my little one and we went to the library. I said, hey, I got something for you, and she's like, oh, this is good. This is good. I said, yes, it's

really good. So I'm like, man, make sure I let Church know so I could swing by the man Chin and drop it on off to you. Drop some off to you so you can bribe your kids to tell the they get you to get some of this. And it's good, man, And they say ninety calories per square. Not that I cared, but uh, it's pretty good. So this uh delicious. Let me get out of Yes, thank you, we can do yes, yes, so good on that, good on that? Uh you get out of here. Um. Mike

McCarthy spoke about and he said, cool. My primary focus is the defense. And I did ask him about the draft and drafted some defensive players and trying to fix this draft. He said, you know what, Yes, I expect us to take some players. I also asked Hi about his offensive line. Hey, what's the health of Tyrn Smith and Lell Collins? He said, Lell Collins was just out there working Thursday morning. He said he's coming along fine, said,

Tyrant Smith is fine. He said they didn't have any issues right now with their veteran players coming back from injury, so he expects them to be fine. I said, what about retooling this old line? He said, we just gotta get healthy. He said, if we could just be here, then we're good. But it was time go ahead. But at the same time, we know they've had issues with health from Collins and from Smith. We know that, so

there we go. Go go ahead. Look, I know you know, through the through the years, you know everything kind of Tyren Smith has not been able to finish a full season in a while. But I believe that's gonna change. Man, at least I'm hoping it's gonna change. This is a guy he went down earlier in the season. He's had the whole whole season, whole off season to get back, right, McCarthy saying he's in great moods. You've seen him. He posted something about being in great spirits a couple of

weeks ago. So I feel like he's gonna come back, and hopefully we get that that old Tyren Smith that can play sixteen, that can play the whole thing, because if we have him there, if we have our two tackles on an outside protecting, I feel like that opens up an officer a lot, gets Dak Prescott a hell of a more a lot more time back there to do damage, and I think it benefits the whole team. But they gotta stay healthy, and I think this is

the year that they could play all sixteen. I go back to what we said to Danny, you pray when he's been on the show. Who Danny, it's an offensive tackle a ten And I'm like the Cowboys drafted a tackle. I'm just not for the Cowboys drafting and tackle in the first round if you want to use one later on, here go ahead. The Cowboys found third round picks and did well in their offensive lines. I like to add Eric Williams, who was an All Pro player and all

the Super Bowl team. So that's what I'm looking at. Do it later on, David Battieri fantastic tackle with the Green Bay Packers is a fourth round pick. You can find some guys and laid rounds and do it there. But this first round, second round, I think he got addressed his defense. Man, I really do, dude. We're out of time, man, I told you this hour already by here. It is flown by here man, So good stuff. Church, Well,

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