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Happy posts, married, Christmas, everybody, Welcome to lounge, brought to you by Aristocrat Giving. Your favorite negroes are here. Yeah, Harris Building, it's very Church scrugs. The Cowboy locker room is open now, just left there. Michael Parsons in a good mood. Oh, he said his girl bought him a big golf car for Christmas. So he said, my golf car, Yeah, he said, gonna get tricked out with some lines on nations. But I don't own any golf clubs. So hey, he's
ain't even on the course. So how big this state is? That's true?
So heck.
What my me thought was, this man needs to meet Barry Church. And of course yes, you need to get mister Church here.
You know rich friends, you know other rich friends.
Rich hop me up with endorsements. I can introduce him to some castle. Just get a couple of gear, that's all I need some gear.
That's make the intro. That's it. You're listening, parcels. Let's go.
You get here early enough we can go back to locker room. I just thought Jason Hatcher back there. So you know, man, I forgot how.
Big dude the Gramley state, Yeah, you need to go.
You need to go and find Michael Man.
Go ahead, talk man, chop it up with him.
Got to text him him, swing by so exactly. So I asked, you got to go coach now, and he said it's somebody the team who plays that can help him out. And I just like, yeah, Church singing home back, I see an opportunity. That is that is I appreciate that you see an opportunity right there. See if I can finish it of All Saints.
London, All Saints Man, Yes, so heck man, we did the little topics today and I'm shocked.
That's all we gonna jump off. I don't know whether it was Christmas eggnog or something. Barry Church says he's changed his mind.
So that message went through the chat.
But my Kansas City pig, that's crazy even see.
It because you know, you know, don't don't let him do that, because I thought that pick went in.
I thought, I went.
I've changed my mind on McCarthy. So what does that? What does that mean?
Man?
I'm gonna tell the people, you know, what they want to hear, and that's the truth, all right.
So going through this thing, I mean, I know I've been hard.
I've been one of the people that's been on Mike mccafee saying you haven't done what you need to do.
You were brought here to win a championship, which is true. He was brought here to do what coach Gearrett wasn't able to do in the words of Newie Scrugs, And that's the possible truth right there. And he was yeah, and many of you, many other people, and he wasn't able to get them past that division mark. So that's still hold strong. But to me, a lot of weight has to go to what he's been able to do
as far as get these players to continue to play. Like, to me, that that holds a lot of weight out there for me, because when you look.
At him the team over they could.
Have been through the talent, all right, when Dak Prescott went down for the season, they could have through the talent and just ran off just went out there getting ready for Cabo and just saying, ah, you know, I'm injured here and there, and I you know, I don't want to suit up or I'm not gonna give it my all. They could have been through the talent there, but they did. They could have through the talent in Cincinnati, when basically their playoff hosts were destroyed, it was over with.
They lost a heartbreaker, but they didn't. Man, and they continue to go out there and the shit best players that are going out there and fighting, and those are the guys that usually the rest of the team rallies behind.
All right.
When I was on teams that Hugh and the Tower early, man, we get these Vegas trips going up week fifteen. We fourteen, got these Vegas trips lined up, and those were the best players that were saying. And so of course myself, being a young guy, I'm gonna follow suit all this season's done for. I'm cool. But when you got your best guys out there, the Parsons, the Lambs, Bland Lewis, those cats rolling still, it showed me a lot. It showed me that this guy still had the locker room,
all right, because that's huge to me. You gotta in this situation, I think.
A lot goes into what the players want, and.
Obviously they still want big Micael Arown.
You know, we saw some of that controversy earlier in this season where they were talking about, you know, he hasn't putting this much work in Dah Da Da Dad. That's one player, Ceede Lamb talking about the offense.
He ain't doing what it's supposed to do.
But he went over there and had and kudos them, had a man and man conversation with those guys. And what do we see off of that? You know, hey, man as the switch, I talked to Mike. You know we're good now and the play on.
The field shows it.
So I know I've been extremely hard on them, and rightfully so because you know this was the proven year and you know, didn't get it done. But I gotta put weight until what these players want and obviously what.
They show on the football field is they still want Mike around because they could have been through the talent and they did it. So to me, you're gonna end the season, you know, possibly nine and eight, which I predicted early on, but you know, we'll see from there. But these players, you know what I mean, they want big mic, they want big mic. So you know, I gotta I gotta put weight on what the players do out there on the football.
I changed my mind. Who are you?
Who are you?
I do? It was a nine and eight wildcard? Wild card? It what for Washington pulling off for you know, heroics? It could have been aligned? Who are you with Bury Church?
I'm just saying, because noe, are you okay? Are you shocked? Because I'm shocked?
How'll they do?
You're shot? I read this book this year, best book I read this year. It's called Think Again by Adam Grant, and he says that we need to usually becoming things through either you're a prosecutor a politician. It's a prosecutor politician and it was another p and basically that's how we look at things. And he said, well, we need to be more of a scientist. As a scientist, you allow yourself to change your mind. Like you know, if you're come in as a as a preacher, preacher like, nah,
this is what I believe at that. I ain't moving off that politician. Well this is my stance and I'm gonna move off my stands. Prosecutor. Hey, this is the law, this is what's meant to follow. But as a scientist you can say, man, things change, And to me, I'm looking at it and his church is kind of coming around to where you and I have been, where we kind of look at it more in context and just Okay, here's what happened. What's everything that went into this year? Also, what's the resume been?
First year? Bad? Bad?
Okay? Mike Nolan going twelve twelve and five, twelve, five twelve.
And five bad?
Playoff now and he was a part of it. Bad, But starting to look to me, if I'm looking at open mindedly, general manager did not give him all the tools that were needed. You bring in a guy like Mike Zimmer who's shown you, oh, by the way, as the guys have bought into it, even though they're losing, dudes, they bought into the defenses, played well. He may have even save his job. I think those are things that
can turn your mind around on Mike McCarthy. Which maybe that's where you hit church as you've kind of been inside. Just let me think again, let me think about this again. Let me go back and line up everything again. You played the game, and so you're like, hey, I was there when uncawayh was coaching. We all laid down on a Sunday night at Green Bay and guys that thumping beat out of us. And then next thing we know, wait,
not the coach anymore, and it's Jason Garrett. The middle of the season, just in the locker room, Jordan Lewis and Cooper Rush were asked about do you like the fact that Mike is still playing veteran guys saying let's get out here and win a professionalist about him? So maybe that's where you got to I'm not a player. I don't know the workings of the room and how things and people can lay down, But to me, I try to look at the whole body of working what
Mike has done. Yes, it has been a disappointment because he did not take them further than what he did, but he wasn't one hundred percent alone here.
The hardest part about doing this job is working with people that you respect, respect what they say, you respect their opinions, and then you're trying to hold on to your opinion. And so for years now we've been having this conversation and I've been doing a deep dive on what's your deal with Mike off air on air, asking you these same questions, and you've always come to the point of the moment. The moment is fleeting from him. He knows what's up, that he knows what's out there.
The team has to be ready for the opportunity, and each time he's gotten there, he hadn't lived up to that moment. He's fail. I've asked other guys, as other professionals, had these conversations and say, man, what's the deal with Mike. You know what I'm saying, because to me, when I look at Mike McCarthy his body of work, and I look at the other guys that are, you know, his contemporaries, I always say the same thing.
I'm like, look, Mike adds up. He adds up in every way, the way that he treats his players. You always hear guys, man, home, you know, treat me like a man.
You know, I ain't no kid, you know, And just a respect level that he's earned from everybody that's ever played with him except for Aaron Rodgers. Okay, but still, but yeah, it's still they did great things together. I look at and I think, as you come to the we talked about it at the beginning of the year, months before the season even started. What does this mean for Mike coming into a season where he does not have a contract? And everybody, I think collectively said this
is a disaster. It's going to be a disaster because if the team starts hot, then everybody's going to be saying, where'she's where's the contract for Mike? If things go right and there's injuries and you fall fall through the floor when.
He getting out of here, give me a paul on because he.
Oh, give me that.
And I mean, we've been going through this.
It's been like this from a media standpoint each and every weekend. To me, man, when I look at Mike McCarthy, I can just go back to his belief that he has in himself and his confidence. Because if I was Mike, if I was hearing some of the things that I was hearing from the media and on the radio station, Dog, I been know me, Dog, I'm be in a shouting match every week with these boys.
Jes what you say, say what you said when you said it, you know.
But it's his the confidence that he has in himself and the ability to go out there and prepare this team even though, look, you're out of the playoffs, it's over with.
Where was this?
Where was this energy against Tampa? Man, when y'all playing against Detroit? Where was the I mean, where was this when you were playing against the Saints. People can go back and say, hey, man, y'all had all y'all dogs, and y'all played against them, and y'all still ended up getting.
A break speed off of y'all. So why is anything gonna change?
And I understand, Like for me, I just say, this team has to be better at pulling in a talented roster together. That's gonna propel this team to win not only the NFC East but the NFC and get through the playoffs to get to a super Bowl, because anything short of that is gonna be a failure even for the next coach, because the Cowboy Nation is at the point now it's like, you don't we don't even dude, talk to me when the playoffs start. That was the
beginning of the season. Talk to me when the playoff start. I don't even tell me about what's hater the regular season. Talk to me when the playoff starts and we're not even in it.
You know, that's the fan danger of not understanding what coaches always say that you know, you must start from the bottom every year. To me, every season is like trying to climb out. Ever, it takes a long time to get there, and most people you lose it, you know, trying to get up to have it got closed. We got to go walk all the way back down and
start over again. One of the things about Mike McCarthy and also says about Mike Tomlin, when you think about the dudes they coached, you didn't want a Super Bowl at Aaron Rodgers, Mike Thomas gone out here and won
a Super Bowl. Antonio Brown, You're out here with some dudes that you know, some agendas and some you know, the fact that you were able to get like it's like Chuck Day and Phil Jackson coaching Rodman and winning championships said, yeah, he had this viola but violatile personality and the quirks that come and figured out a way to win a championship and get get them to play at Hall of Fame levels. Antonio Brown, say whatever you want about his career.
They got the numbers.
Now there will be a conversation in Canton, Ohio amongst the writers and the voters about his candidacy. We know Aaron Rodgers is getting in. There is to me that I think there's me. I think there is something about coaches having the ability to coach mercurial and interesting personalities.
Man, that's a statement, because man, I put for me my opinion of coaches. I put coaches up there with pastors. Man as far as the and I know these parallels will never meet. One has a tremendous amount of more pressure on them as a leading souls to heaven than a coach does. But I think of what their job is of taking young men, whether it be a high
school coach, a college coach, forming these guys. I hear you talk about coaches all the time, the guys that taught you how to go for being an amateur player to being a professional, and whether it was a position coach or whatever, it was those guys that formed who you are and who you are currently.
And so that's why when guys go into the Hall of Fame, they have coaches present them.
But what you said here does make a lot of sense because you go back to what Jesus started about. He said, I'm a teacher. You know, pastors are teachers. Coaches are teaching absolutely and I and just when I have looked at some of the best coaches in history, I think like Chuck Noele, think about Bill Walsh, they were actual school teachers. Vince Entbard and they taught school. You know, Paul Brown, they actually taught school. And Lloyd lesson plans and how to reach people, how to be
in a classroom. I got all these kids, like these three kids about to cut up, So how do I deal with them to keep them away from the other ones who were trying to learn? And I mean that all of that it's the same. And I found that some of the most effective people have been those who taught in the classroom and have an understanding of educational systems and different learning stid. I was talking to Dennis Thurmy one time and he told me in his dB room he had to figure out how guys learned. Are
you a visual learner? Are you a person? Can I draw it on to trouble or do I have to take you out on the field and show you? And he said I had to, He said I had to. I have as a coach learn what is it my players need and how did they get it? And then if I know, Okay, hey, Ed Reid wants it this way. He talked about that. Now, coach ed this way. Troy Polamalo needed to see it this way. But what you said, between pastors and coaches, it's all teaching.
And his ability.
And you talk mind these moments where they could have just given up and already put the to loom, got on their plane first, you know, the first class and you haven't seen them. Melle it in and and I think the endorsements when they come from the from the top, when they come from your top, guys, I think that says more. Now will that resident Will that resonate with your fan base?
I don't know. I don't know, man, I don't know. That's the toughest part.
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M v P down to two games. We're down to two games, and the odds makers have Josh Allen, quarterback of Buffalo in the league, with Lamar Jackson behind him. And this was before the last sides I saw were before we saw get Busy, Busy, get Busy do his thing. But one of those signature MVP touch players yesterday, Yeah, Masso fast So asked Michael, you know on your podcast you talk about the MVP. Said yeah, yeah. He said it should be Joe Burrow. He said, but Joe Burrow
doesn't have a top three defense. Except Joe Burrow had a top three defense, then it'd be different. Uh, And he said, you know, look at look at the stats. You know, like right now you talk about offensive leaders. Right here, you know, Joe Burrow has got four thousand, two hundred and twenty nine yards. So except man was he was all about Joe Burrow and what what big Joe's done? Is she And of course you know he played against Joe Joe right now with thirty nine touchdowns,
eight interceptions, sacks thirty seven times. Yeah, been killed thirty some times. Lamar Jackson. Right now, we look over passing the third and Lamar's got just from a passing standpoint, Lamar's got thirty nine touchdowns and just past interceptions, Yes, just passing Alan with twenty five touchdowns and six picks.
What oh yeah, yeah, hold on.
Twenty six and twenty five, twenty six and six.
Man twenty six and six to thirty nine. You said thirty nine for Lamar.
Lamar and Joe Burrow, Yes, sir, But if you look at total tubs for Lamar, he's somewhere like around forty forty.
Four forty five. Look, man, he's almost a thousand yards on the ground.
Come on, the man is doing things that you see cats doing college against pro athletes out here. I mean, look, granted, Joe Burrow is having one hell of a year, all right, they wasted a MVP season because his record isn't what it is.
So and with all that being said, Lamar still got better numbers like that.
To me, this is.
It just just depends how you look at the MVP. But you look, it's a quarterback award number one. It could be award that ship And I just go back to last year. How many Russian touchdouts do.
I think Lamar gat at least six for four, So.
He's sitting at forty three total, he's got eight hundred and fifty two yards rushing.
He's almost about to be at a thousand Russian damn. He could possibly end the year forty eight touchdowns. That is, that's where we go down.
I got nine hundred and thirty.
How many touchdowns one go down?
Nine hundred three?
Yeah, Brings should be a little mad about that when they took him out and put in. But that's another story.
But we said, come on then, come talk to us. He kept walking.
Yeahn cook too. Oh yeah, anyway, wow wow wow wow yeah you ready, oh ready, Oh that week for good conversation. You got a massive argument about him. Anyway, GMG.
Anyway, but last year, last year, we started looking at these numbers and I brought it the same same situation talking about Dak and the numbers that he had versus Lamar, and it's still Lamar ended up winning the MVP, which is crazy. And I only bring that up because I'm saying, Josh Allen gonna win the MVP, y'all may as well
forget about it. Nothing short of just going like he would have to like crash out on National TV at this point, and I think they'll probably save him from that if he does, that'll be.
The only way that he doesn't. I mean, because if you look at Josh.
Allen, Okay, Lamar Jackson is gonna get the Derrick Henry debate. You got Derrick Henry, all right, But Josh, Josh Allen,
you're gonna say you got rid of Diggs. You basically had a bunch of you two in them possible, you know those guys, right, And that's where he's going to get the credit for carrying this team to where they are right now if you want, man, my honest opinion, and this is hard for me to say it, but the job that Sakuon Barkley has done in Philadelphia to me, that the re emergence of the running back position with what he's done and the way that he's brought this
offense and Kellen Moore to the point of everybody saying Keller more than needs a Helicare coaching job, all of those things, like he has carried this team at points in the year that's made the job easier for Jalen Hurts, even though he has warranted scrutiny in the passing game. But I think, look, we're going to give it to a quarterback regardless. But there are guys that absolutely are the most valuable players on their team.
And to me, is Saquon Barkley.
Good.
That's ay. But when you talk about Buffalo, I mean, what are they? Twelve and three?
Eleven touchdowns rushing? By the way, for josh.
Alla eleven, Yes, put some respect on his names.
He's still short thirty seven total tubs to Lamar Jackson.
Possibly he could reach the forty five forty he carried.
He's he's carrying Buffalo literally twelve and three. He is carrying that team. That's what I'm just saying. Like, so buff Buffalo twelve and three. Baltimore is eleven and five.
But look at what he's looked at the vision he's doing it against.
Lamore is in the AFC North, Yeah, you got the Bengals, the Browns, Brown, You got the Bengals and you got to still listen there, who's.
In the Browns? Brown? Yeah, who's in the AFC?
He's got the Miami who's miss Soul, miss Warbacks coach?
Patriots and the Jets. Yeah, got six wins right there?
New England, New England got three wins, Just got four wins, and coach got seven. They're all losing team. He looked Buffalo did do it against Kansas City, but then they got the doors beat off of them by Baltimore. It's, by the way, the final two games with Josh and the Jets in Miville.
Right up, four T three, come on back. I don't know, man, I don't know.
He gonna be able to put up some defining He'll be able to close.
You're gonna have some great he'd have to just he'd have to come unglued on national television to lose it at this point and all and my only, my only case in that I think you make a great case for the division that he's in. It's light work each and every week. He's not He's not bothered by the Jets this matchup. He's not sweating. Whereas Lamar has Pittsburgh, he has all these other teams that he has to go against that you know where the pressure is gonna
be coming from. It's the Black and Blue League basically. But I just meant I am a Josh Allen Scott, not a hater, but because he thinks every time you get to throw on those interceptions and like a little.
Fairy just dropping in on you. And I just feel like that about him.
I think he's always been one of those guys that you put pressure on him, he turns back into who he is. Something about this season to me, for Josh All, I've seen something different in them, and he's carrying this team. He hadn't been recklessly running the ball like he has been a year's past. He hadn't been putting the ball in harm's way like he has been in a year's past. And I think that's something for a guy of his caliber.
You could give it to Patrick Mahomes, You could give it to Joe Burrow and guys like that each and every year because the numbers are going to say it, the way they lead their team is going to say it.
I just think it's his time right now.
Is this the Michael Jordans Tiger Woods type of debate where they're so good, they're the best, and you're now measuring them against themselves, not really so much against other people. And I felt there was a backlash on Michael for.
That because he's so good.
Karl Malone did not deserve that last MVP over Michael damn Way, Magic got an MVP over Michael. What are we doing?
Yeah?
And I think it's because he was just that great and you just wow. I guess well it wasn't why, but look at what Carl did well. He ended up his team had the best record in the league, and you know, I just think that's what can happen you. I want to call it fatigue as much, but you you just kind of you're it's tough man when you're here, and all we want to do is look at and judge you from this. And I thought Tiger got to be that same way after a while. Well you know,
it went six this year. That's a career for something, a career, and it got to that point where you weren't appreciating the greatness that you saw. Me what Lamar did the other day on the team in the National Football League, that's something you do with pee weee. You don't do that in the league. You know this, Dudes don't do that, right, I mean, you gotta be all world Michael Vick fran Target Like, it's like a list of dudes you can count on a hand that we've
seen do something like that. If Lamar goes in the Hall of Fame. I feel like, that's the play. What's the play that you put in there? You know that's the play.
Oh man, it's so many it's so many. Yeah, I mean, that's just this is my first time seeing him live. And you know how sometimes you can have an appreciate, specially basketball players. You see him on television and you think that you know the game. Then you see him in person and you're like, damn, what did I just watch?
What did I Just like? He is so much faster in person. You know, you know what people, Oh, you look different.
Then I said, you look better in person, and you like, well, you look better at versus then you do on TV, though, because that's that's different speed. He cooking with something that everybody in cooking with. But I think when it comes down to those NFL purists that love guys that are able to sit back, read the pocket, go to the second third, read and then make those phenomenal plays, he doesn't.
Give you that.
He gives you pure raw obtained and that's all you're gonna get from Lamar. And if you're judging him based off of that, then that is fine. But at the level that you're saying, like, you know, the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. That's why I say guys like Patrick mahons if you just love the quarterback, play watch Patrick mahomes man because what he does weekend and week out is phenomenal.
Maybe we burnt out on it.
You're hitting on a point, and I think maybe that's because you're you're you're you know you do uh, you do play by playing analysts, you know, watching the dudes, like watching Kyrie Irving your person, Everyone go see that because TV doesn't do just it just doesn't do it
justice of what he's done. And Steven Ash. To watch Steve do it, and then to meet Steve Nash Steven as the sixty three That was shocked me when I saw him, Like, oh Steph Curry sixty three they look like and then you like to do that with these trees and when you see it in person, you're like Kyrie Irving, man, that's it is. It is just there's there's tremendous ability. But you take that tremidiscibility with the work ethic.
And just how.
God just some of that.
Who's the who's that player for you?
Who is the one players you can say I saw him live and he changed everything that I thought about him.
Who's that one player for you?
What sport?
Any sport?
Let's get a break.
Okay, let's go brilliant.
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Okay, So the question who who's masical? Who's that dude?
Who's that dude? Who's that dude? You saw?
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To see a person that tall, that big, that dominant, he was going for a ride once he got on the block, and to see it on the court in person was like wow, that was something. That was something King Griffy junior in baseball. This was in the steroid there to do. It was up there crushing the ball. He could hit, he could throw, run, just it just didn't seem like he was trying. And the hardest sport there is period he did. Just was just like wow, he was he was him, as the kids would say, Jordan.
To see everyone in an arena there to see you do what you do and you do it. That's hard night after night and not that, not that whole. I'm all rest today, low management today, night after night after night. I remembered when he played the first ever game in Charlotte in nineteen eighty eight, they gave out Michael Jordan posters in Charlotte and Charlotte. I mean, could you imagine, you know, the Cowboys given out the opposing team post on game day? That's first out that Who the hell
does that? That tells you right right, it's Jordan taheel back in tap And they wanted the buzzer, but I was say, it's the Michael Jordan. What you always wanted was to see Michael score fifty and your team winning the buzz Yeah, and he did it night after night. Sitensational. Then Peter Warck, Peter Warick, he he was. Let me tell you this. It was at the Los Angeles Coliseum and they played USC. Peter Warck of Florida State, and Walter Jones, but mainly Peter because you just like he's different.
There were so many dudes, because Walter Jones ended up being a Hall of Fame left tackle for the Seahawks, but there was so much tap. Chris Winky ended up winning the Heisman. You saw him, he was the best players. Chris Klaib won sc was the Buckets Award. When Brian Kelly ended up being a dB that won a championship with Tampa. There was so much talent on the field out there were so many Scots there, and that was the best player. You just like, heck me, you've seen
this covering high schools again. Oh yeah. He different didn't have the career in the NFL that you thought he would because he went to Cincinnati where careers can go to die. But watching that guy, if I had, if I had stock and Peter work out of bought a bunch because I just said him, I'm gonna do that thing. Gosh, he was amazing to watch.
I was like, remember when him and Vic went at it in a national championship. That was crazy.
But really I mean it was two dudes of Florida State that I saw, Like with him and the Dion. I remember the Dion punt against Clemson. You're too young, yeah yeah, And I want to say it was like eighty seven or eighty eight where Dion walks in Death Valley and he'd like, tell the crops coming back, and we just wanted the Wildlight's coming back. Caught it went, took it back and the da the hot This was when like that it was created right there, what I
mean it was, It was sensational. Man, It was sensational. And one of my teammates was being recruited by Clinton. Heck, he was there and he said Danny Ford threw everybody out the locker room, including the recruit Everybody get out.
He was because they thought they had the game.
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Dion Randy back and say, man, Dion is yeah, man, everybody get out. The guys he was special.
Man, who is your guy?
I got three of them and let's stick all with football. But I got to play against these guys one and just see. You got to see him on the field, man, that's that's Mega Tron Calvin Johnson, and I got to see him multiple times in my career.
This dude, he was.
I mean, there's one play in the back of it. First of all, Stafford just throws the ball up in the air from the fifty yard line. This dude, he's standing flat footed and its surrounded by myself, Malcolm Jenkins, Andre not Malcolm, Mike Jenkins, and Sean Lee.
All three of us are right in front of box him out. This dude just throws a prayer up in the air, and I get that. We're all holding onto this man before he takes off. All three of us grabbed him. This dude just vertical jumps with all three of us on them, snags it over all of us and just looking down as he's coming down from it from the heights, just looking down at all of us.
Land and we kind of just fall off him, like snow if he just fell or something. We just looking at this dude just I'm like, Oh, this dude is different. Forward later on he catches a slant and I'm like, oh, I give it to this dude. I put everything I had into this hit against Calvin, everything I had. He didn't go down, but I separated my shoulder and I was out the rest of the game. And I'm just like, this dude is really like when you hit him, it's
literally like hitting steel. And the way he was able to move that fast in person, you just you just had to see it.
So it was him.
The other guy I got a chance to play against Adrian Peterson when he was in Minnesota.
It was just a different cat. I mean every time you collided against him, it was like a car collision. I Mean it was ridiculous. So that dude was awesome. But then the quarterback, the best quarterback I've ever played against. It was Peyton Manning. I know, you know, got Tom Brady out there, you got all of this, But just from a cerebral standpoint, what he was able to do at a line of scrimmage was crazy. I mean, this is when he was at the first time going to Denver,
at the height of his power. I think he threw like fifty five touchdowns. But we're going against him and he's calling out stuff that like like he was in the locker room with us, Like he was in the room with us going through this. He's all right, this guy's coming from this end. All right, he's gonna fake and then drop out this way. We got discoverage coming and exactly what we were doing. And it was just
remarkable how he was able to do that. Man, smartest dude I ever got a chance to talk to or play against.
Man. It was ridiculous.
Is that the game that was.
Here and he was going back and forth. It was like the fifty nine and then he ends the game.
Remember heck, so Peyton is on one, Romo throws a pick, so they get the ball, they run the clock out, and then just basically it.
Was a.
Third down play. He did the quarterbacks. Nobody, nobody thought this was coming. And what did he call it at the line of because.
He knew he was.
And when I got to talk to Ronnie him and or whoever I think was the back of the time, Yeah, he was like, man, look, I was supposed to get that rock.
He was like everybody in there huddle knew that.
All right, Ryan's gonna get this ball, gonna try to pound and then man, that dude just then the.
Way he faked it and went around on the outside, he was like this, He's the smartest dude on the football for I ever win again. Whatever.
Man, he a big dude too.
That's a big dude his head by two feet. But I can't talk about it nobody, but my two guys been quickly. Is Kobe Bryant number one?
Uh? Seeing Kobe live?
I mean, you know, you see guys take jumpers and some guys are you know, they'll come about this far off the ground. Kobe was shooting shot and shooting jump and he comes you know hot, I mean, and being I was down on the court, I could see, you know how he was shooting that jumper and just man, over and over he seeing him before he came onto the court before. You know, in pregame warm ups, how many jumpers and this the preparation for a player, And then seeing him play live, man, it was it was
next world. But Emmy Smith second, I Emmett in his playing days didn't look like the fastest guy. Nobody ever caught him, but watching him live and you're sitting there and you're like, man, these guys are trying to.
Take his head off and they can't.
They can't, and he's I mean, he's doing things I never get, Like he'd be at the coming through the line of scrimmage and he'd have his handle his knocking guy's hands down. I mean, it's the damnedest thing to watch live seeing Emmi Smith. But obviously, you know, the rushing champion in the NFL, one of the best all time. You know, it only makes sense now when when I'm talking about those two guys that end up being two of the best at their profession.
The first time I saw Emmitt Smith, it was on most of the CBS game he was in college, freshman against Alabama. And the last person I saw tear up Alabama like that was Bo Jackson, and it was a freshman who is who who is this?
Who is right?
Gatorade played it? Okay, fine, you know national player, Fine, but you don't do this. Alabama. He did that, and I remember the Cowboys drivers like yeahah, he's good, he's good.
You know.
I remember Blair Thomas was the number one back. He took out the Jets like second overall out of Penn State. But I'm like, man, this guy can play cowboy like this. Just dude. I saw what he did Alabama and you don't do that to Alabama is a freshman, he's he you talk about people Wo've been him for a long Yeah, since he was playing in Escambia and in Pensacol for Emtt Smith has been that guy.
He's gonna do your You're gonna do your Dallas cowboy m v P mhm.
It's CD Brandon Aubrey's had a fantastic It's Lamb, I mean Ceedee Lamb from from Dak Prescott who did not have it before Dak Mndanney was not having a good year. It's not having a good year. And he's out here catching Boston Cooper rush with half half a shoulder, half a good shoulder with no help. Ceedee Lamb. I mean it's it's a tremendous I'm with.
You on that one, Ceedee Lamb for so man, Brandon Aubrey, Brandon.
Brandon Aubrey is a bonafide weapon. And you just go back to the Tampa game. If you can't hit fifty eight yarders. I mean the Cowboys have one games going back to last season because of Brandon Aubrey and not even absolutely not even realizing the range that this guy has. I mean, he's one of those players we were just talking about a couple of days ago when I see somebody miss a fifty eight yard and I'm like, oh, he ain't even hit the gopos. That's not normal, Like
we're used to something that's not normal. That's the contrayt. Then I'm man, when that one comes down, when that contract.
Right there, Bro, I can see your point. And it kind of like reminds me of of of Baseball voting, where it's like, can you make a picture in m v P.
You know.
You need guys like CD Lamb making the place to get yourself in that range, Yes, sir, And and when I just think about how bad this receiving court is, Yeah, that hey, man, anybody defensively as double is. Dude, he's still getting the numbers and makes sense historic numbers that he's on right now.
And Cooper Rush is his quarterback on top of that. Yeah, man, that's easy choice. You're not wrong.
I mean, that's that's the that's really the If there's anything that that separates him is the fact that defensive coordinators come in and say, we got to take this one guy away, and he's still putting up the number.
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