Player's Lounge: Fun With New Friends

Church Well, they were on other shows today. This means I get to have some fun with two of my friends, former Cowboy Everson Walls and in my fourth favorite tar heel of all time in Carolina basketball history, Jesse Holly. As long as I'm in the top five, it's all I Caraboba, I'm a new top five. You're in the top five. I got Jordan's number one. You know, dog team makes I five there, so he's number one. James Worthy, James Worthy's number two, a kid from my high school,

west Over High School with Famille, North Carolina. He's about to sign. He's already committed to the guitar heels, so he could be number three. You number four because you also helped bring a national You helped bring a national championship. Wait wait, come on, you lissen me behind the guy that hadn't even played yet he's he's just a recruit. You know, I understand it. But my time, like Carolina was a great time. I went as a two sport athlete.

I won a national championship. So I'll be number four or this listen, I'll be number one and everyone else is hard. So I'll take that. I'll take that. Now, this kid's a bus, and this kid's a bus from your high school. You gotta move up. I move up, I move up. You know, this is one of those things where where finally, finally, you know, here I am. I'll turn fifty in December. You know, I started going to west Over High School nineteen before. It took this long for us to get for somebody to be good

enough to play Caroline of basketball. So this is a huge deal in my world for me and Everson. I've always wanted to ask you this question here. Were you a part of that group that went into the ends on the Texas Stadium and broke up that fun bunch when they tried to do that little little thing and Smurst tried to do that little thing here in the ends on it, you guys broke it up. No, I

can't not lie. I was not a part of that, and one of one of them, my teammates, Ron Fellows, he was a little a little upset at me because I wasn't there and what I was letting him not. I was, well, I was covering my man, so we was somewhere else. So my man, he was, he had nothing to do with the play. You were the one that got scored on. So don't get upset with me because you can't hold it down on your side. So I can't just come run into the end zone. It's

already over with by now. If you don't want them to score, if you don't want them to celebrate, then don't let them score. That's what I had to tell Ron Fellows. So no long answer. No. So so to explain to some of our younger viewers out there, back when Washington had won Super Bowl seventeen. The next year

they came back. They were the highest scoring offense in NFL history, and they had a game every of course against the Cowboys and the old Texas Stadium, and whenever they would score, the receivers groups they called the Smurs, Charlie Brown and some of these and other guys, they would go in the endel and they would raise their hands like that, they jump up in the hand and a jump up in the air to a high five.

And that was when I believe Dennis Thurman, I think thurma was wanted them to win over there, but they were like, nah, you guys aren't doing that. Here, guys not doing it. And it was it was pretty good theater. And I always wondered was ever since in that And now I got my answer that it was. It was Dennis Thurmant. It was Dennis Thurman, Michael Downs and round Fellows was there. They were called a fun Bunch, you know,

they had a few names. That was a smurf. They were the smurfs on the fun Bunch that year because they thought that was fun. They do a little rock and then they all go up and do a high five like they were in some nineteen seventies uh cock Buddy, Cock Buddy movie or some crap like that, and uh so so it was it was Charlie Brown, amazing. I think the guy's name was. I think it was Virgil say you might remember these guys, Jesse that some of

the names of the Whiteouts. Of course Sanders, who was Doug William's favorite target, and that great Super Bowl wins. So and Mark was also by the way, So yeah, yeah it was. It was a good group and they blew us out. They blew us out that game, so they can party all they want. This is up to us to stop the celebration. Okay, all right, so let's diet. Oh what are you gonna say? Jesse? Ups are? No, I was good good. He don't know nothing about this old school stuff. Man. I'm I'm sitting up here with

you young guys. Man, I'm used to being with the old dudes. We start off slow. You know, we have a little tea on the side or something. You know, you got your boy, Jesse. Jesse's probably guys energy drinke right there. He's ready to go. So let's go. Maybe let's go. Don't let me stop you guys from getting fired up. Let's go, man, let's go. I'm ready, old

man can keep up. Let's go. So how about the Pittsburgh Steelers coming to town, went in the game and apparently bringing a whole bunch of COVID with four more players have COVID, including quarterback Ben roethlisbergerg It it all started with tight Advance McDonald. So you know the Cowboys so far don't have anyone that's contacted COVID. But the Cowboys were gonna have a practice this week that's been canceled, so they're just kind of virtual meetings on their bye week.

Because playing the Steelers with all this COVID happening there so a perfect truly a perfect time for the bye week for the Cowboys. Ever, sing what did you make of this story? Well, my thing is, how in the hell did he even get on the field. I'm still kind of confused KNWI about the protocol. If he was tested Saturday, if he was tested Friday, maybe he shouldn't have traveled on Saturday. You know, these are the things that I'm not really privy too because every team seems

to have a different protocol. So to me, how when did you find out? As the question, and if you did find out soon, why did he make the trip? And then of course you're look at consequences. They said that he only caught one pass for two yards and he was tackled by I believe it was Wilson if I'm not mistaken, and so you know, that's just one guy came in contact with him on the pass. But what about blocking plays. I mean, what about the people that he affected infected on the Cowboys. These are the

kind of things that you don't want to play with. Knwi, you don't want to play with this stuff. And that's going back to the Dodgers, And I know you're probably a Dodgers fan. When the when the player came out and he knew he was making a mistake, but he got caught up. You know, these are the kind of things that if you're gonna stick to protocol, stick to protocol, otherwise you are putting people's lives in danger because of celebrations and really because of your own ego. Man, I

think it's really sad and scary. I consistently said that everyone just makes this thing up as they go along. I was watching the Clipson Notre Damn game this weekend. I see Trevor Lawrence on the sideline. But what's he doing here? This guy had COVID. You know, if he's not playing because he's got COVID, why is he on the sideline? So I just feel like so many people

are making this thing up as they go along. Here and Jesse, here are the names Ben Roethlisberger, offensive tackle, Gerald Hawkins, running back Jaylen Samuel's linebacker Vince Williams there in quarantine now and of course, um the first person that was tested was Vance McDonald got in the reserve

COVID nineteen. Lest your thoughts on this, Jessie, my thoughts about anything as far as the NFL and anything health related is always always a joke because the NFL and its teams and its owners, their bottom their bottom line is always about the dollar. It's always about the dollar, and they're going to do every single thing that they can to make sure because they already lost money with some of the stuff that we have to deal with,

no fans and things of that nature. So they're never going to do anything and what they have to cancel game unless someone seriously gets sick and you know, and I private it never happens, or someone is just hospitalized because of it or even passed away from it. When it comes to that Sunday profit, nothing is above what

they have to do. And that's the overall NFL. We saw this with the whole concussion thing, right, and they're trying to tell you that, well, this league, it didn't get caused because of the impact of the head when there was doctors upon doctors and science and information that was saying, hey, guys, listen, these concussions are because of the head content that they were getting while they were

playing football. And the same time, this right, thank god for the movie, But I'm also hearing that that this Vince McDonald's he was he was, he said he was sick on Friday, And in the COVID world that we live in today, anything of that nature, okay, should have been looked at and flagged immediately. Oh you're sick. How about you not travel? You know, you had one catch So was it like you were an integral part in our what we were doing, our scheme, So how about

you don't travel? You know, maybe you should or maybe take a separate plane, or hey, maybe you come in maybe the morning of the game or whatever it may be. There should have been extra We're talking about a billion dollars industry, right, you can charter a plane and get him to Pittsburgh to Dallas if that was the case. But no, you you you threw calls them to the wind.

You put this player on the plane. You not only caused your own players to get it, you also potentially there's flight attendants there's TSA workers that check your bags when you're before you get on your charter to flight. Uh, there's restaurant. I mean, there's there's hotel people that you may have been in contact with, whether that be at the omelet station in the morning when you're getting your omelet or the buffet line right when you get right

right right, Allison, when you get your buffalot. You know, and there's so many people that you've now calls and no telling what happened when the Cowboys side of things. Now, our great producer Chris Beam said, you know, even though he had only one catch, you know, don't worry about our dvs catching you know, catching it because they don't catch anything at all, So they don't have to worry about they don't have to worry about catching COVID. Oh

my god, No you didn't, Chris Hey. But not only that, Jesse, as you as you talk about those extremely important uh sack consequences, let's think about just on a lower level. Now, it seems like, and you know, we will see how it goes because the protocol is so screwed up right now. But it seems like now their undefeated season is threatened a bit because you've got players that have to sit out maybe and I don't know about Roethlisberger. They said

he's not positive. They say he's tested negative like maybe multiple times since then, so they're trying to get him back on the field in five days. Does that mean I knew what you should know about this year? The news guy that does that mean he will be eligible to play next week? Does that five day quarantine? How does that affect his playing time for next week? And

talk about big big Benny Roethlisberger. You know, that's a great question here because I've seen it very and I've seen some guys who had to sit out, and I've seen some like Emmanuel Sanders, And this is one of those things where I know from my own fantasy football thing where I had him my team and dude didn't play, Like, well he's got to sit out? What's star players? What's star players? This is this is a good question. I

mean Cam Newton had to sit out. You know, we saw Cam had to sit so so that that I mean, this is a great question. Is what happened and Dalton had to sit out? When was you know, it seems like the same situation and he couldn't play. We needed him in that game as far as we were concerned. He was a star for us Jesson. You know what I'm saying. We needed Dalton and we ended up going with the news, which you know that could have made a difference. So okay, here you're going to ask sounds

like new he is as well? Okay, protocol, all right, So here it is. So Roethlisberger did not test positive, and um, he will now have to self isolate and test negative for five days before he's able to rejoin the Steelers. So he could be activated from the list as early as Saturday and then can play in Sunday's game against the Bengals. And oh, by the way, he hurt both of his knees against the Steelers, so so

there you go. So that's it. So he needs a test negative every day for the next five days and then uh then he could play. So he hurt his heart his knees against the Cowboys and so they get ready to face the Cincinnati Bengals. So there you go. There you go. Ever, since we'll see exactly what happens. Then, m it is at you didn't get that kind of reprieve. I wish he would have gotten that kind of consideration. I don't know what the difference was between that and ours.

You know, yes, here's the difference that big Ben. I'm just trying to figure that out, because boy, we needed and Andy that that particular week. We maybe we could have pulled it out. You never know. Andy tested positive for COPD. That's the difference. Ben did not. That's okay, there you go. So so he was he was, you know that when it called the contact tracing, he was, you know, with McDonald and near McDonald. So so there

he put him in isolation. So now he's just got a test negative for five days and then he could play he had he didn't not test positive for coronavirus. All right, let's get our first break in here, some tough news for the Dallas Cowboys secondary when we come back right here on on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hey, they're Cowboys fans with type Cleaners at home pickup and delivery.

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All right, gentlemen, Rookie cornerback treybod Diggs broke a bone in his foot and expected he'll miss the rest of the season. Everson. You're a former former defensive back. Here your thoughts on Diggs being gone and then how do they make up for the rookies absence? In your opinion, you know, it's kind of a shame. We've been looking at Digs and talking about the potential that he has.

When you think about it, he's only really had i'd say, just a couple of what maybe one good game if you want to call that good, But that's what you expect from a rookie. It's gonna be from growing pains with him. Just when you saw him making strides. He got two interceptions in one game that was amazing that you could finally see his ability to play the ball. When you get those interceptions, you know it brings you confidence.

Just like if Jesse is a wide receiver, no matter what goes on in the game, if you as soon as you catch that one pass, your confidence is there. Then the realization is solid right now. So once he saw that he can make those plays, then all of a sudden, we're like, man, this is the potential we've been waiting on. We're hoping that this guy could step up and make some more plays for us. And of

course here comes the injury. I really feel bad for the young man because I wanted to see his progress continue to get better what I saw what I see now. He may be out for the season, with him being a young man, if he wants to, and I'm sure he'd be itching to come back, he may be able to come back, whether maybe a game or two left in the season. You know, it's hard to keep a young man like that out, especially when he's able bodied. But I just want him to mentally be prepared for

what's gonna be for him in the future. Sometimes if you get to step away from the game, whether it's to injury or whatever, he can take a look at what's been going on with himself and say, okay, he can hone in on it, you know, mentally, physically and realize what he's been making his mistakes, because as a rookie you expect things to develop slowly and so comparatively, as his rookie year goes on, he's been developing ahead of a rookie. He's pace now. It depends on what

standards you want to put that rookie pace on. You want to talk about nineteen eighty one. I can go back to me and my boys, Ronnie lock Kenny easily, myself, Michael Downs. We didn't have time for growing pains. We stepped in, we played our butts off, and we came through. That's why you have a moniker. If you don't have a moniker, then obviously you didn't do anything while you were in the league. We were Thurm and Steves because we would we would. We were thieves. That's just the

way it was. So the standard back then, I think was a little bit higher. You had free agents coming in balling their butts off, getting criticized. And now we have a high ground pick who I still love to see play, and the more he gets beat, the more potential they say he has. So I'm kind of confused, but I'm gonna go with it as long as it's gonna make him better. No, I was. My answer was

going to be right along the lines. How you kind of ended George was when you're talking about being a rookie, right second round pick, and he played some high level football Alabama in the SEC. But when you come into this league there's so much being thrown at you, whether it's learning to play a book formations. You got all pro receivers coming at you every single week, all pro quarterbacks.

The information upon information is being just piled on top of you, and so you're trying to learn, I gotta get ready for a game. Oh my god, I gotta play Julio Jones this week. I remember watching this guy on YouTube my whole life. I'm a rookie, you know,

and I'm trying to put all this stuff together. And what happens is you begin to drown in some of these things, right, and then you don't have Like the thing for Diggs is he didn't have one of those vets when you can look to your right, look to your left, and there's a guy who's been in the league for ten years who had something that's to say, hey, rook hold on, relax, chill, look at this and give you those little titbits to give you, to give you those little tidbits that you can put away and add

to your game and say, oh, this is what he was talking about, to sit you down and show you how to properly watch film and say, hey, I played this quarterback, I played this offensive coordinator, I played this team for X amount of years. Here's what they like to do in plus forty minus forty and this formation. Hey, when they get it right here, look for these type of combinations. He was doing a lot of learning on

the fly. He had no one to really look to to give him any veteran information to say, hey, what do we do right here? And so he would do a lot of it on the fly. And I'm with you ever since I would sometimes being based, I was saying, he got beat three times in the row? Where's it?

Everybody said, well, he just keeps fighting. I said, fighting win your games, right and so, but being able to step away from the game, take a deep breath, go back and watch your early film, Watch how you progress, watch how the season continues to go on, and see, you know what, the second time around you played the Washington the football team for Washington, or the second time around you play the Giants, or the second time around you play Philadelphia. Now you can start seeing like, oh,

that's what they were talking about. I was. I was so caught up in that preparation for the week. I didn't catch all the little idio secrecies in the game that I can now see from a distance down that I'm rehabbing. If I were him, or if I was anyone in the Cowboys organization, he's done for the year to me peal up because we don't have any more to fight for this year. I mean, I know that we're saying, well, the division is still up in the air.

This is not a good football team. This team isn't going to go far into the situation into into the so to rush a guy back, and we all know when those when it comes to receivers. I mean in DBS, your feet is what pays you want to be if your feet are not good, and whether that's me going forward as right, and so I want that thing to fully heal so that we don't have any setbacks. And in the offician, because I'm training that we get a

regular offseason, and I need all my guys. If this is going to be a guy that you look at for twenty twenty one and beyond, then I need him one hundred percent healthy heading into this so that we can evaluate all these guys, put guys on the field during OTAs in mini camps so that I can now really start implementing things. Then having him have a setback in late December in a meaningless game that we're not even gonna win, to go to the playoffs or anything

like that. Now, if you told me you were seventy one, ain't no or whatever and we had a realistic chance. All let's how to get some of these guys back healthy. But at the end of the year, you're not playing for anything. I'm not rushing this guy back. Get one hundred percent healthy, take your time getting healthy, and I want everybody rebbed up and ready to go for the twenty twenty one off season. To a few things, let me let me say something. First of all, you are

so right, Jesse. I had Charlie Waters just always in my ear, giving me confidence, giving me nicknames, just you know, crazing me. And I'm like, man, this dude is really on my job and I needed that, you know, at that time, because like you said, things are coming at you. Dennis Thurman, you know he was. He was my mentor. He was the guy that kept us together, you know, tell us what to expect and how to feel about certain things, because even as a rookie, you don't know

how to feel about certain things. And you're right though, in regards to everything coming at him. That's the last thing I'm gonna say in regards to Digs is that when you start thinking and start getting intimidated, your brain moves, but your feet stop moving, you know, when you start thinking too much, when you have fear, when you have doubts. That's the problem with a lot of defensive backs. When that ball is in the air, we always say turn around,

turn around. Well, they're too busy thinking about the consequences as opposing to having the heart to just turn around and taking a chance of not being afraid to get beat at that time. So you're right, the confusion, the fear, whatever you want to call it, the doubt, it can it can affect your play, and hopefully as he steps back from this, as we just said, he can come back a better player. This is why I love having you guys here, former players, giving our viewers and listeners

and insight into really what goes on the field. That's something I didn't know right there that you and Jesse just brought up and said, Hey, having somebody who's been there who can tell you basically, I'm not crazy, I'm not as bad as I think I am. And look out for this and look out for that. I mean, that's stuff. That stuff matters. I mean, you know, there's nothing like they got toasted too, so they know where you are. They know mentally where you are. We've all

been toasted. There are no virgins in the NFL, my brother, all right. Speaking of the future, Garrett Gilbert, a lot of Cowboy fans feel like has a future's a potential backup with this team after his performantive performance against the Steelers. But Cowboys owner Hall of Famer Jerry Jones said today on his radio show on wonder Fire three the Fan that Andy Dalton is the starting quarterback when they get

back to action. So they got the bye week this week, and then they go to Minnesota next to face the Vikings up there. Jesse, your thoughts on Andy Dalton becoming the starting quarterback with Gilbert being his backup? Now, let me say this first. I know that we work in the media, and we love the sound bites and we

love the ability to write stories on certain things. But this is one of those moments where I just wish, you know, we're the only team in the league where our owner and our owner's son have radio hits every single week, two or three times a week. Because to me, I think Jerry misspoke. I do. I truly think he and I get it. He's the owner, can do what he wants, say what he wants. I get it. But I truly think he misspoke. There's no reason you have to come out and say that today, on a Monday

or Tuesday. There's no reason. And I think sometimes just because you have a mic does not mean you have to say something into it. And I think Garrett Gilbert has earned hisself the opportunity to at least and let me compete again. Let me compete this week, you know, and when we head to next week for an opportunity to go out there and play again. He is a look the best that we've seen since Dak Prescott has went down at the quarterback position. Now. I know that

we may not hear that name much. We hear Andy Dalton name more because of it's time in Cincinnati. But but Garrett isn't a rookie. He's been around the league and around football for a very long time. And you saw the confidence in command that he had in the game this past Sunday. I didn't like that. I just thought, man, I'm like god lye and I know that you're paying Andy Dalton, you know, three million dollars and money matters,

and money counts. But if you're trying to put a product on the field at this point in time of the season, because no one believes you're going to truly and honestly compete for a championship if you're he does a realistic but Jesse, he believes that they can win the nfcast and as long as they have that opportunity, he believes Andy Dalton gives them the best opportunity to do it. So I always said, when I used to do that Jerry Jones radio show, I'm one to five

three the fan. You gotta get inside his head, in his head he believes. He'll tell you he's the most optimistic guy. He'll tell you that he lives in the land of what is that word he used the other day, um naivete that's it. So you can say, Jerry, he has to and he has. That's where he signs a lot of checks every single week to make sure that those guys are competitive on the field. So he has to live in that land. I don't have to live in that land. Hell, he signs my checks too, so

I don't have to live in that land. I don't have to live in that land. He does. I get it. As someone who's a business owner, I get you gotta be optimistic, you gotta be always positive for your product. But I just I just think that particular time's timing. You don't if that's what you truly believe, don't say it today. You know, let the process play out because you I just think when people are gonna start looking around and saying, we saw what we had with Garrett Gilbert,

and we saw it, we have Andy Dalton. I probably would watch more to see round two of Garrett Gilbert than I want to see round two of Andy Dalton. I think Andy, Andy gave us a win though Jesse, right, I mean, I mean he came in as a reliever, right, yes he did, but he but he gave us a win. And I think, and I get it, Jesse where you're coming from. I do. When you look at this NFC east, uh, you see nothing but futility. But at the same time, that's what's given Jerry pause to say, hey, we're not

out of this yet. No matter how much we suck, we are still in this. But it is Andy a better option? That's the question? Is Andy a better option? I still would side with the track that we were on, Garrett, Gilbert was off the rails in regards to our plans. Did very well. And like you said, this guy's almost thirty years old. It might be thirty, so he's had

professional experience and he showed that in the ballgame. But you're looking at if I'm gonna look at Andy Dalton versus Gilbert Garrett, I'm sorry, I gotta go with Andy, not just as an owner, but even if I'm a teammate, I'm gonna say, Okay, Andy, we got sidetracked because you got COVID. Let's continue this track that we're on and see if we can do something with it, because we're still in it. Only because the NFC East is so bad.

If this was any other division, Jesse, Andy's on the bench, you know, I'm resting uh digs even if he's ready in December. I get all of that. But this is such a unique situation to where the division winner might have five wins. Bro five wins, we can get to five wins, that is a question. You got, you got, you got, you got seven more games. We got the Giants, we got, we got Philly. Still we you know, it's still like it's still the NFC East. So you have

to say not just yet. I'm you know, if it was any other division, any other season, I'm with you, Jesse, but I just can't give up right now, especially when forget that, forget the game after uh when when after the Giants game. He played well in the Giants game. I would like to see him with a weaker preparation again, with a better defense, with this new defense, and with this special teams that seems to be waking up and saying, hey,

we're part of this team as well. We're that third fast of the game, but we're no less important than the other two fastt So you have that mentality right now, go into the locker room, Jesse. That defense was fired up. Let me let me add this quick little tibit. I know we gotta go to break quick little tidbit. Does Andy Dalton have a short leash? No? No, No, I don't know. Okay no. If that's the case, everybody's on the short lease? Yeah, I would have to do. Is

that you saying no, too knew it? Yes, I here's my thing on on Andy Dalton and that we debated this yesterday because Barry Church was also with Jesse saying playing Garrett Gilbert until they're out of this. Andy Daltons is gonna be the guy once they're out of this. Then in December, you know, because I think that's what it'll be decided for the Cowboys in December, then you'll go ahead and go at Garrett Gilbert because by December, then again, you know, when you're out of it, let's

go ahead and all the games. And I think that's exactly what they'll do. But I think Andy Dalton as long as they're in this, the Jones family wants to see Andy Dalton out there, and Mike McCarthy has said such as well. They want to have the best opportunity to win. Andy's experience in the league they feel like

gives them that. Let's head to break here. Um, I want to answer something that the Jesse said about Jerry and Stephen having radio shows, and I'll compare it a little bit to something he's grown up with and we'll dive into a coaching question. Jerry and Stephen have radio show. The Jesse Jesse pos a little bit. We'll do that next right here, Dallas Cowboys dot Com radion man, you know what that means. First, Bob prep Steak Pepper Runnion

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in here in Everson Walls. Jesse, you grew up in that Tri state area? Were you a Yankees or a Mets fan? Yankees? Okay? This is perfect because one of Jerry Jones' best friends in the industry was the late George Steinbrenners. And you know George Steinbrenner. While he didn't have a radio show, he invited the media to come talk to him all the time, and he was always

forever talking. And I read the book The Yankee Years by Tom Verducci, and Joone talked about how he understood what he got into and knowing that the boss was gonna say one thing over here, but how he dealt with his players in the clubhouse was a whole different thing. And for me, Mike McCarthy, you signed up for this. You know, Jerry Jones talks on Tuesdays at eight thirty one, one oh five three to fan a, Sean and r J.

And he talks on Fridays at ten thirty. Okay, because I used to do that ten thirty Friday show with Jerry Jones, and you know Stephen talks on Monday. All right, this is what these guys do. They talk. So you got three times a week where you're going to hear from ownership in basketball, Mark Cuban before they changed the rules and they used had the StairMaster back there in the mask locker room where we could all go back

there as media members. We would all go to Mark who'd be on that StairMaster at about six six oh five, and we would all get our pregame interviews from the owner of the Mavericks. This is good for us in the media, but I have no sympathy for any coach who comes in here because you know what you signed up for. Jerry Jones not only has a radio, he used to have his own TV show was called Special Edition. I mean that, I mean Jerry on TV man. Jimmy Johnson survived it. He won two Super Bowls with it.

It just is what it is. This is why you're in the big top bill parcels. He dealt with it in won games. I mean, Mike McCarthy, go, hey, win some games. You're going to have to deal with it. It was one time before you got to the Cowboys, Jesse. I remember it was a player that we in the media, we're asking Wade Phillips about and Way about signing and Way. It was like, well, we don't know where we're gonna do.

We may sign and we may not. We're like, Jerry already told you signed it, and Wade just kind of went like this, Okay, wherever Jerry said, wherever Jerry said, and that just is what it is. Nobody handled it better than Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett knew what it was. The Jones family talking comes with the meal and they may say one thing and you're trying to keep something under wraps and they may blow it out there. But

this is what you signed up for. So for Mike McCarthy and you know, saying, hey, why do you have to why do you have to go out and tell everybody? Andy Daltons, this is what they do. This is what they do. Okay, they want you to talk about the Cowboys. They like the attention of it, and this is what it is. And I'm okay with it because I'm selfish and i want to know because the coaches don't give me anything. You got Mike McCarthy acting like he's some

hockey coach. You don't want to tell nobody anything. You got a leg injury. We have stories, you have stories to writing, stories to tell, and you know what, I want to truth. When I want the truth, I go to Jerry. Okay. It's like it's like Will Smith said, tell the truth. Okay, Jerry's gonna tell me the truth. These coaches don't tell me anything. So that's why I love doing the Jerry Jones So we want I want

the truth, and Jerry Jones don't give it to me. Stephen, not too much, but you know I have I begged the different just a bit. Jerry's gonna tell you Jerry's truth, and sometimes Jerry's truth is not necessarily what's going on inside the locker room. And you know, Jerry's on the team. Jerry owns the team. He owns them the most amazing UH sports business in the world. But we all know that before Jerry became famous and rich, Jerry seemed like he was selling snake oil. You know, he would be

one of those guys. Everything's out o this. Every every potion is gonna make you better at sex, better at at eating, better at everything. You know that's that's the way, you know, you kind of look at him. So he's gonna put a cherry on top of everything. So listen to Jerry. That may not necessarily mean that you're gonna get the truth. You might just be more entertained than you might get accuracy. Ever since, he wears two hats, and I've always said this about Jerry, this has been

an interesting dynamic. He wears two hats, and I want if you're if you're a sports fan, you want the owner of the team to be excited. You want him to be optimistic and always looking at how things can get better. But I want my general manager to be pessimistic. I want my general manager to say the glass is half empty, the water is dirty, and we probably need to change everything. The issue becomes the general manager and

the owner or the same guy and that. But at the same time, from a media standpoint, that has always that has been a part of the fun of this. I mean, this is what's made the Cowboys so interesting that their own NBC three times the maximum three times every year. You just saw they were playing the game of the national Game of the week with TVA. But even when the Cowboys aren't good. People are still talking about the cowboys. And this is what Jerry Jones has built.

And one of the things that I learned by doing that radio show with him, Everson, Jerry's always been in business for himself. So you know, from selling insurance to being a Shaky's Pizza franchise owner, Jerry's always been hustling. Jerry's always been selling hope and he and that hasn't changed, man. So that is what he's going to do. So when he's talking about let's go Andy Dall's gotta be there. He's gonna be our guy. We can still win this division.

It's a slim chance. That's Jerry. Jerry got Marguerite is to sell. Okay, got he got, He got sharts to sell. He's trying to get you, Everson, to buy your grandkids. Always got fifteen dollars. He has fifteen dollars Hamburgers to sell. Yes,

I'm not there. But the problem you have when you have an owner that creates this this situation that, for lack of a better term, sometimes you have crap rolling down hill and it's all sound rosy coming out of Jerry's mouth, but by the time things get to be downhill, it just turns into a bunch of crowd. And here's

what I mean. If you don't have a product on that field that's going to resemble anything close to your optimism, then all of a sudden, whether you're looking at on the field, as far as your team is concerned, it's not anything positive. They're gonna come up with all types of accidis to talk about just how bad your team is, even if they didn't play as bad as they say because of the optimism that was raining down on them. We're all in our seats, We're ready for it. Here

it comes. Jerry said, it's gonna be true. I'm gonna believe in the Cowboy majesty in the height. And then you see what we see, say against the Cardinals, you see what we saw against the Red Skin, I'm sorry, against the Washington football team. And then all of a sudden you have over the top criticism, which can really affect everything that you're trying to build. Newie, So you gotta think about that. Sometimes sometimes reality is the best

medicine for a team like the Cowboys. And I'm telling you, I'll tell you something how it affects the locker room when you have a guy like, you know, the owner and the general manager. And I saw this from my own perspective when I was there done under the way

and Jason Garrett error. When there is a level of hierarchy, and I mean the guys who are worth the money, the big contract guys, the guys who are on have the jerseys and the stores, and they have the plaquers and they have the giant sized faces on the side of the stadium. Those guys are handled by Jerry and then it's all the rest of us that are handled

by Garrett or Wade or Mike McCarthy. And so then it begins that it begins that fight of these guys knowing, man, that's coach can't do nothing to me because I answer to the guy upstairs. I don't mean I don't mean Jesus Christ. I mean the other guy upstairs. Yeah, Halo

lower down, but that other guy. And so now this is when you tre talking about how does it affect on the field, because you have guys who are on the field who know that no matter what that coaches say, that I'm tied in to the other guy, and that guy will determine whether I'm here or not not this guy who was calling the shots from the sideline. And and that sometimes can affect a play on the field because guys who probably shouldn't be on the field maybe

should have left time on the field. But because they have the contract that they have, they're dealt with differently and by different people. I remember one time it was Felix Jones, and Felix Jones had like fumbled in a couple of games, and Jason Garrett was like, you know guys who fumbling games, you know that don't pay the consequences. We might not start him in the game. He said this, and then they caught Jerry five minutes later and said Philix Jones will be the starting running back for US

next week. So, as a player in the locker room, I'm sitting there looking like, well, who do I believe? Do I believe the guy who said Philip Jones is gonna sit coming out of the game. I'm gonna guy. I know who to believe, I know who to believe. But but you see how that you see how that can be a sticky situation for guys in the locker room. I'm looking around and saying, well, I heard that report and I heard that report. Now let's see what's going

to happen this week in practice. And then you see Philix Jones starting the next game, you go, oh, I know who I know who really called the shots here and there. So that's something of dynama that can sometimes can mess up a locker room because you know the difference between who says who, who does what. Jesse, Here's here's two things I'll respond to you on that. Number one, I never ever ever felt bad for Jason Garrett when those situations happened. Because Jason Garrett knew what he signed

up for. He could have taken a job as a head coach in the Atlanta Falcons would an owner like Arthur Blank who to let him do what he wanted to do. But he said no to that. He said not to Steve A. Schotti, another owner who let him do whatever he wanted to do, but he said no, I'll stay here as the offensive coordinator. Make it as much money as way. Phil, So you got what you signed up for, and yes, you are right. There are

players that know Troitman didn't like Chan. Dailey didn't want to run chainl again his offensive Guess who got got Chan? Gaily so yes, you are right. This is how it works here. But this is also how everybody who comes in here you get. Mike McCarthy knows the way it goes here. Okay, Jerry's been here thirty years now, thirty years. It is what it is. You can like it, you

can dislike it, but you know what it is. And for me, I would rather know where I stand and know the way things are for things that just to not never know. You know, Jerry's gonna want what Jerry wants. And Jerry loves us. He loves the style. He likes the Cowboys to be big, he likes the Cowboys to be in the news. This is how he's operating. How the coach of teams KNEWI And that's what matters. Man.

You still gotta be able to coach the team. And that might be good for the media and and and just really interesting for all of us, But when you're trying to put a winning product on the field, you gotta let your coach coach, and you know, and sometimes you gotta know when to be quiet and what not to say. There are times when you have to be in Unison as a as an organization in Unison, your coach has to he's got enough problems. You gotta deal

with all these guys in the locker room. Now, he has to deal with this, deal with the media, these confusing things here. We just talked about it. It's like, I don't want to get I'm not gonna give him the former president. I'm not gonna give him that. He's much better than that. But it's just a it's a chaotic situation when you have different information coming from the same organization. So as a player like Jesse was saying, what's going on, who's calling the plays, who's calling the shots?

And we know who's calling the shots in one way, but we gotta have somebody on this field, on this sideline that I can look to other than the player who knows what's going on. And I'll say this in closing for this topic. If I'm a player and I really like what I saw in and Garrett Gilbert in that game, and I feel like, you know what I fellas, we get we get Garret Gilbert again, let's let's just try to put this together. And then you hear, oh,

we don't get Garret Gilbert next week. Like that affects me as a player because I may have really liked what this quarterback was doing. If I'm a receiver, I'm like, man, this looks much better than what I had with Andy Dalton. And then now I got to realize we back to Andy Dalton again. That could bring down my spirit in the way that I prepare and mentally, physically emotional. It's like, start start a quarterback controversy like we did back in

the eighties. Man, that's all you gotta do. That's all you gotta do. Just go to the paper like we did. Just start the quarterback controversy. That's all you got. Garrett Gilbert, the Gary hogeboom of the Cowboys. All right, ay, fellas, this was fun. We didn't even get to the other topics. We'll get to the coaching topic tomorrow. Here. Everson Walls and Jesse Holly will be with me tomorrow. So one more day of having more former Cowboys bringing some insights. Fellas,

this was fun. I appreciated. Everybody. Make sure you tell friends about this, about this show. It's normally the players louds with with Barry Church and Danny mccraib, but they're on some other shows. We're kind of mixing things up. And having some fun. We'll talk to everybody tomorrow at two thirty Central. All right, fellas, take care, everybody, go Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.