Player's Lounge: Draft Thought's and Grades

when I was covering this team. Danny McCray and Barry Church, two former Dallas Cowboys dbs, here on a Friday, right, gentlemen, h First off, how are we doing? And we last left our conversation on a Friday talking about Ceedee Lamb and we were all saying we wanted to see defense. So Church, give me your thoughts on this draft with the Cowboys, and I want a grade on it. Yeah, man, yeah, I want your thoughts into grade. Yes, m all right.

Mc cray, I mean to replace round the Cobb who had big production last season and they ended up getting that in the first round. And also the pick that we chose for the first round. They ended up still getting that in the second round, and then they followed that out with another corner. Uh, they showed up the D line. They got him another quarterback to for competition

with Cooper Rush, and they picked up a center. I think I think they filled the needs on pretty much every position that they that they wanted to and it's some good talent that they have coming in to create a lot of oppetition for some of these guys, specifically in the dB room. So I'm very happy about that and I just can't wait to see how it all plays out once the season starts. So Ceedee Lamb goes in the first round for the Cowboys. Trevon Digg's corner

from Alabama goes in round number two. Round three is Neville Gallimore, defensive tackle from Oklahoma. Round four Reggie Robinson from Tulsa, a tall corner who went to high school at Cleveland, so he's right down the road here in Dallas Fort Worth. Also, they go back up in the fourth round. They take the Remington Award winner Tyler Biadish from Wisconsin. Bradley and I from Utah defender and this is a guy who's spent a lot of time, almost thirty sacks at Utah. He ran a slow forty, so

he's there in the fifth round. And then he got Bend Nucci quarterback from James Madison, who Mike McCarthy apparently knew. They take him in round seven. So those are the draft picks that they got here. I give the draft an A because what I wanted to see was a lot of defense, and they got us at after a round one And when you think about round number one where they take CD Lamb in Church, you and I were kind of on that same page of Wow, how do you bypass defense? But this was the number one

wide receiver in the draft. He was number six on their draft board according to Will McClay and Stephen Jones. So you get that guy and then you're able to go out and get a guy that we thought they should take in the first round and round number two. That's winning all day long. So I give it a great A because I felt like they touched on all

their needs. And Danny, that was one of the things that you and I spoke about, and we talked about it on this show, is that they needed to address needs in this draft, and I feel like they did that all the way. Yeah, definitely, because I mean we lost a few pieces to free agency that we had some question marks, especially in the DV room with some guys who they had questionable production from that year, and then Byron left, so we needed to fill those voids

in there, and we did that. We got we got a first round graded corner in the second and we also added some crazy offensive firepower. Now, so I think we have probably one of the top receiver receiving corps

in the NFL. So we leave the draft with covering our defensive backs since then allowing our defensive line in the rush, and then we also picked up one of the top receivers in the draft, So I mean, I don't think we could have done any better, all right, Church, So he's Trevondick six foot one guy and this Robins Rinch Robbers to sixty one guy. Will McClay spoke about how they want long corners and they talked about how receivers in this league are getting bigger and Biggerson they

wanted to be able to match you with that. So give me your opinion on without having an ota right now in a mini camp, and maybe who knows when may ultimately have training camp. How quick could these guys possibly start, Barry, I think it's gonna be extremely tough, especially with no offseason program that we can see in the near future. The OTAs, we don't know what's gonna happen with them mini camp and then training camp. We

just don't know. So it's gonna be hard for a guy coming straight out of college to transition it to the NFL and then pick up a playbook extremely fast and be able to be contribute to this defense. So I think it's gonna be hard. So I think it gives a kind of a disservice to the rookies, but kind of a service to the veterans who are already kind of there. They can get the playbook in and know what kind of to expect. But overall, like you said,

this is a new defense coming in. There's a new coaching sade, so every player doesn't know what to kind of expect, so I guess they're kind of all on even kill. But overall, I think the veterans that are in the room, that are have been in the NFL, have experienced playing and know how to play this game. I think that gives them the advantage and disadvantage to all the rookies coming in. But we'll see what happens at the end. Verry Church team crazy new We scrugs.

We are the players land to go ahead then, And I was just saying, with the exception of those first two picks, I feel the same as Barry Dick should be able to step in and be a starter, and Ceedee Lambs should be able to step in. But those other guys, I think they'll be behind an eight ball went once we get started, all right, Danny, stay with me right there on talking about Dbs. So we heard that, Hey, there's some guys who could possibly move. We spoke about

Cheeto Uzier possibly going to safety. I don't know, maybe it's about three episodes ago here on the Players' Lounge and now it's getting more and more esteemed it. They couldn't move Cheeto to corner. They also signed a free agent m Darryl Warley who's also got some ability to play safety. So where do we think that isn't gonna end up going for the Cheeto by the ways in

the final year of his contract. Yeah, I'll go ahead, Danny, You got what it's gonna be I think it's gonna be tough, man, because, like you said, it's a crowded room. Right now. You got Worley, who I believe was a former first round picking. He has size and versatility. I mean, this is a guy who's sixty three. I think he's two hundred and fifteen pounds, So he's big enough and versatil enough to play corner and he can play safety. So and I think the same with the Wouzier as well.

Come out of college, people weren't sure if he was going to be a corner or safety going into the league. Ended up playing corner. But this could be a situation like Byron Jones where he was at safety at the beginning of his career. People were kind of counting them as a bust and then they moved in the corner

and he blossom. So maybe this will be the same type of situation with the Woozier where if they do decide to move him back to safety, he can you know, reach his full potential and to blossom in as well. So we'll have to see what happens on that. But we got a lot of versatile players on this secondary and i'd like to see what they do with moving these pieces. Yeah, listen, if they move Cheetah Wouzier to dB, he will not see the field. I mean, you know now,

because I mean we're talking about yeah to safety. We talked about them having two starting caliber safeties already, so I don't see him being able to correct that starting lineup over two guys who have proven experience at safety. So you know, if most he might be one of those guys who comes in on covering one to cover a tight end. But as far as I'm seeing seeing significant playing time if he's a safety, I don't see

that happening. All right, Danny, stay with me here. You guys have been a part of teams where you've watched them make drafts of free agencieties and bringing in people at your position. So how did guys handle that? How do you handle that from a mental standpoint, knowing that, as Bill Parcells used to say, Jimmy Johnson said, I'm drafted your replace, I'm bringing in somebody to take your job.

Man's it's tough on the psyche man. I remember sitting there watching the draft every every season that I played, just to see like how high they would pick up a safety and thank thankfully for us, we had guys like Gerald Cincival and Church, guys that were already proven, so they didn't feel like they needed to go go up that high end draft to safety, uh, you know, as far as somebody who needed to come in and start. So we really looked to a free agency to bring

in guys. And we spoke about Brodney Pool last last episode, and that was a guy that they came in just to kind of create a little bit of a company titian. But we had guys who could beat them out. So so for me, as long as they didn't draft somebody in the first or second I knew I was okay, and I was and I was more special teams, but I knew me and Church will be able to stay in that room. Church. Yeah, I'm not telling I'm not. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I hated it. I

mean I used to. I used to watch the draft, I mean consistently me and like you said, me and since the Bob mccraig, all right, that first round, I went back all right, cool cool, they ain't picking nobody up in our position. Second round with back all right, cool cool, Third round all right, we'll good. So once once third round with bows, all right, I'm good. But I used to hate it. Now. I remember when they brought in Um will Cox. He's a great funded man

right now. But when they first brought him in, I'm like, oh, here we go. They didn't brought in a I think it was a second round or third round safety man. They trying to replace your boy man, So I took it as like disrespect. But Um, once I got to know will Cox, and then he started getting all these interceptions in Ota, so I was like, man, I can't do this no more. This is gonna be some bullcrap.

But he ended up, you know, we ended up being real good friends and playing beside each other the whole time. So I mean, you just gotta look at it different way. I hated it through my experience, just to be honest. Well, I feel like the Cowboys have done something that we needed to see that we have at the past couple of seasons, and that's really bringing some competition in the room man, and all over the board. You know, no more sacred cows. So dudes got to come in here

and earn jobs and feeling some pressure. So we see it in the defensive back room. We see it on the D line group. One of the things I immediately thought of when I saw Gallimore from Oklahoma is Hey, Tristan Hill, but to wake up. You better wake up because they are sitting here right now drafting someone at your position. They have signed on Terry Pole, they have signed Gerald McCoy. This is you know, if Tristan Hill don't get it right, he could end up going the

way of Taco Charlton, who they ended up cutting. Chaco signed in Miami, and yesterday Taco was cut by the Miami Dolins. Saved the one point three million get him out of us. His attitude wouldn't right. Huh, Well, I guess you know. At the end of the day, the attitude continued. That's the saddest thing. The attitude continued. Man.

Like you know, in that situation, once you get it, once you get a fresh start, it's supposed to be, you realize what you did wrong, and then you come in with a new attitude and try to impress the guys there. And I think the five Saxon might have might have made his head a little bigger than he than it should have been. Well, according to Miami Herald. He was deactivated for three of his final five games.

And I don't know if you how much you guys paid attention to the Dolphins, but the rough start that they had, especially when we saw them in Game three at Jerry World, where the Cowboys handled them pretty well and they had to bring into two quarterbacks Fitzgerald and Rosen, we saw toward the end the Miami Dolphins started understanding what it is Brian Flores wanting, and by the fact that they started getting better, and they told Taco Charthan to take a seat the same way the Cowboys were

telling them to take a seat. That was pretty damning. It was pretty damning. And I don't know where he goes after this, because you had one a team that used it for trying to pick on you, who wanted to see you succeed, and then another team that needed some help. And by the end they're like, you know, we don't want you, and they've now you know, moved on from him. So I don't know where Taco goes.

But the word I kept hearing was entitled. And when I started thinking about what's ahead for Tristan Hill, Triston Hill's got a problem he's got a problem. But people thinking it, here's another guy like Taco Charlton who's not taking this series, who is not who's got an attitude problem. That's what I'm hearing. And so if I'm Tristan Hill and I see what they've done in free agency in the draft, I'd be on my giddy up right now. Man, I'd be on my giddey up, just knowing whenever you

hit the field that you got to save your career. Man, yeah, you gotta for this one. This is you do not want to get labeled those I mean when you go into the NFL, there's two things you don't want to get labeled as, and that's entitled or uncoachable. And when you get those two tags, I mean, I'm the word travels faster around the NFL than people realizing if you get those two tags on you, it kind of become untouchable.

So hopefully Taco, can you know, get maybe one more chance to kind of rewrite what what is sown about him. But tris like, you're right, you're right about Tristan Hill. Is time for him to wake up, man, Like, like you said, he was a higher draft pick and he got to start producing if he wants to stay around church. What do you think? What is the expectation? Bring up the wa I'm sorry, would you say, Danny? I said, what's your expectation for Tristan Hill? Now? Right right now?

He watched the draft, he watched Howard unfolded. What is he doing right now? What is he thinking? If I'm Tristan Hill, I'm getting as cool as I can with the special team's coach and trying to do as much as I can special teams wise, because I mean, the competition they brought in, it's gonna be tough for him to see the field unless he just miraculously changes his whole approach to the game. So if I'm him, I'm trying to change my approach and getting best friends with

a special team's coach. Gotcha, Yeah, that's smart. He got he gotta do something to get He got to do something to get an advantage over the rest of the guys, because if you're going off last year's tape, it's something that they saw in these other guys that they that they think are better than you. So every advantage you can, the more you can do. He better get on field goal block and field goal protection and the fact you've got a coaching staff who's not married to you. I mean,

this is a Rod Marinelli pick. Tristan Hill was Rod's goal He's in Oakland right now. So you've got nobody here to save you that nobody even cares about you like that. So, um, he better be ready to go another position battle. That's going to be very interesting to see what happens with the Cowboys. He's at the center position. So Travis Frederick ended up retiring Joe Looney. From what I was told, Joe Lenney can start for about fifty percent of the teams in the NFL. They think that

he's that talented a player. But Joe Looney's up for the job. Connor mcgoverned from Penn State UM drafted as a guard, but played a year at center at Penn State. I've heard Connor William's name thrown out there, but obviously when they brought drafted Tyler Biattish, who was the Rimington Award winner out of Wisconsin, he'll be in that mix. So you've got three guys who could possibly end up

being the starting center for the Cowboys. And let's be honest, Carter Williams is not a lock for that guard position. So this is gonna be interesting one more time to see. You know, there's another position battle a camp. But we know Zach Martin is safe all decade player. The two tackles are safe. But the center of the guard right now, we don't know who's gonna line up for the Cowboys in twenty twenty. That's a position battle they're definitely looking. Yeah,

that's a big time position battle to look at. And like Danny said before, it's it's the more you can do. I think if you don't earn that starting job, like you said, those guard positions are locked, those tackles are locked. If you don't earn the position on the squad, it's it's what can you do in the versatility? Can you be that swing tackle? Can you play all three interior alignment positions? So it's the more you can do. I

think the more versatile alignment will be kept. But um, like you said, it's gonna be a big time competition for those offensive line spots. And I'm looking forward to campus in and who's gonna come out on top of that victory. Yeah, that's it's huge. And yeah, hello, yeah, I said the only only unfortunate thing about this is we the lack of a training camp or the lack of OTAs that that could possibly happen. So the competition that we are hoping to see, we might not be

able to see as much of it. Danny, how much can they really get done with virtual training? Offensive line of defensive line? Not much that is that is that's in the trenches. That is, you gotta get your hands on somebody. You gotta learn and make sure that your pad lovel is correct. You gotta you gotta keep getting repping those things so that it can become a habit and you can lose that that uh, that habit within for three months that you won't be doing any football

and just being on a computer. So I mean it'll be tough, more tough for the offensive line, of defensive line, receivers and dbs a little easier, but they also need to be on the field going through those emotions as well. This is going to be you know, interesting time for all these teams like the Cowboys, you look at the New York Giants, look at Washington, anybody that's got a

new head coach. Not being able to have that opportunity to really teach and so much I think fans don't understand its teaching, and that's what good coaches are, their teachers and being able to figure out how you teach, because guys learn in different ways. Some guys they have to be taught on the field. Some guys you could teach him, you know, on the board in the room.

So that's that's gonna be interested to see how the Cowboys, when they are finally able to get out here play how much is this McCarthy and might know how much they're behind putting in their system and how how quickly they can teach it to guys and then maybe what concepts maybe you can keep from what you had before and then maybe implements a little bit of what they have to do later on. Danny. That's something that I'm very interested to see how they attack. Yeah, it's gonna

be tough. Like I said, when we in twenty ten, when Rob Ryan came in and we didn't have any OTAs and we just went straight to training camp, that was probably one of the toughest learning sessions that we've been a part of because he had a very very thick playbook and we were just trying to cram everything in to get ready for that first preseason and then first regular season game, and we made a lot of mistakes. It's hard to learn that stuff just on the board

and looking at the paper and the playbooks. You gotta be out there and get those rips and go through situational football, and without that, the game will look a

lot different, especially to start the season. And I think it's going to be a lot harder for the younger guys who were trying to play multiple positions, who were like maybe three and fourth on the depth chart, but trying to see if they can become a corner or slot corner or safety, because they have to learn all three of those different positions just to make the team.

The guys that are kind of on the team already entrenched at their position dact you know Amari Cooper, you know Xavier Woods for example, but those guys already know what the position is, so they just got a lock on that one position. To learn that, I think it's gonna be tough for the younger guys. You gotta learn three or four different positions. But we'll see. All right, we are talking about the draft and the impact of it right here on the players lines are newly scrutch

Danny mccred very Church joining me as well. Those guys are former Dallas Cowboys dbs. Let us give some praise to Will McClay and the job that he did. I thought Will McClay everywhere along this board had the Cowboys in a position to take a player that, in my mind shouldn't have fallen. Ced Lamb. There's no way in the world you could have told me the number one wide receiving the draft would fall at seventeen. I scoffed at it. I laughed at it all day long. I said,

people stopped. I wrote a Cowbum Dallasbarre News, don't even think about CD Lamb that you need to go defense. And Cede Lamb is there, Trevon Digs is there. I just thought all along the way Will mcclays did an outstanding job and making sure the Cowboys had an impact draft. And if we look at how and what Will has done since he took over drafting for the Cowboys, I just think this is one of the best evaluators of talent in the National Football League. And I just feel

like he's got to get more credit. And I think the Jones family did a good job calling him the MVP, but I just can't say enough good things about what this guy breaks the Cowboys. Yeah, I'm a big Will McClay fan one because he's a Houston guy. He's from the great city of Houston, in the great state of Texas. And Will McClay is one of the guys who actually looked out for me when I first got here. So I have a special place in my heartful Will and I'm very happy that he was in that room controlling

all of this because that a grade. I'm giving ninety percent of it to him. Yeah, I gotta agree with you, d mac on now one. Like you said, he was one of the guys that brought me in as an undrafted creation and kind of believed in me. And I mean he's been hitting for the past ten years on these drafts. I mean, look at the All Pros and Pro Bowls that he's already drafted him. He got Zach Martin,

Travis Frederick, I mean guys like that, Dad's Brian. I mean, he's all over the board, so he shouts out the Will. I mean, he got another draft right, and hopefully we can see them produce on the field. One of the things that he said when asked about the draft was Mike McCarthy told him players over scheme. And one of the things I've learned to do as a reporter is sometimes it's what guys don't say, or reading into what

they say and you kind of get an answer. One thing we knew when they drafted Taco Charlton over t J. Watt, and t J Watt was ready to be a higher player. We were told scheme fit, scheme fit, which was code for Rod didn't think t J. Watt could play in

his scheme and Taco Charlton did. Well, we now know that's a mistake, and so when Will set that, I immediately thought about, Okay, this is the previous coaching regime that there may have been some players that Will and the scouts thought, hey, this is a guy we like, but the coaches didn't feel that he fit their scheme, and the coaches didn't want to do it. So here's Mike McCarthy adopting what Tony Dungey's adopted, which is, hey, get me the players and we'll figure out how to

use them. I'm gonna have to disagree on now. One that I feel like, you know, okay, I feel like I feel like I feel like Garrett's staff, I mean had a great approach to it as well. I mean, look at it. Look at the drafted players they have gotten through the past ten years or Gary's tenure. I mean, I think they have the most Pro Bowled drafted players of all NFL teams. I could be wrong on that, but I believe that's right, and so I can't look

at the scheme fence. I mean, look, we had the best offensive line going for five years in a row, I believe. So. I mean, just a simple fact that he said scheme players over scheme just because he's got this draft right, I mean, you know, I don't believe that. I think it's always been that way, and the proof is in the putting with the players that he's drafted in the past being Pro Bowlers. So I don't think it's just because of Michael McCarthy. I just think Will

just a great guy when it comes to drafting players. Yeah, and I'm fifty fifty following that one. I'm with Church in KNWI just because if you think about what we had the draft from Roma was playing, we had the draft offensive a linement to protect him, so you couldn't just say players over scheme. You needed guys who could protect Tony so he could throw those touchdowns. So I think some of it goes to what you need at that time for a certain player or what you want

to do as an offense. And then when you have that set up, like you already do here as far as the offensive line and some some positions on the defensive line, you can go say, hey, players over scheme. You already had two top receivers, so yeah, I mean, yeah, go get me another one. You already pretty much had your offensive line set up, so on offense, the only thing you needed was a receiver, so you could pick any offensive player that you wanted and they could fit

into what we already had. So I'm fifty to fifty on that one. I think it just depends on where your team is and how you plan on playing the game of football in the upcoming season. So Mike McCarthy and j G I think they both did good jobs. We got to take our first time out right here on the players lounge. When we come back, we will dive into the numbers chosen by these rookies that's been an interesting conversation and what happened in Green Bay? Where

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defensive end is fifty one. Tyler Beyonder she is sixty three, Reggie Robinson's forty one, Nevin Galimore is seventy five, Trevon Diggs is thirty one, and C. D. Lamb takes over the famed eighty eight. Hey, Chris, can you mute? So I'm thinking about this one more time? The eighty eight jersey made famous by Drew Pearson, made famous by Michael Irvin hit a dormant with Antonio Bryant who through the Ada jerousy Bill Parcelsa's face, followed by Das Bryant who

bore the eighty eight. So Cede Lamp said he wanted to wear ten. Jerry Joe spoke have been wearing eighty eight. So he's wearing the eighty eight fellas Your thoughts on CD LAMB wearing that iconic number very go ahead, you thought you're going. I thought it was I thought it was gonna be just looking at But uh yeah, my thoughts on the eighty eight man, it's funny. It's a funny story because, like you said, everybody seems to skip Antonio brand when it comes to the ad eight jersey.

But overall, I think, I mean, it's a tough number to hold accountable. I mean, like you said, there's been greats in there. There's been piercing, there's been Michael Irv and you know, Dad's Brian, Who's I think it has the all time touchdown record for the Dallas Cowboys. So I mean it's a tough number to to kind of fill the shoes of those guys. But um, you know, if anybody could do it, I guess Cede lamp Can.

I mean he's the number one rated receiver. Um, they all said his program Harrison was that des Brian, So hopefully he can wreck that eighty eight jersey. Well, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm a little confused, just just just because I thought the eighty eight jersey went to the number one receiver on the team, and right now, I think the hundred million dollars man is a'm Mark Cooper. So we'll see on the field and off the field, and he just I don't think.

I don't know if he'll be a starter coming into the game. I think that was to some extent it was a money move because that eighty eight jersey sells like hot cakes for Jerry, so it'll be coming off the shelves this season. But he is not the number one receiver on this team, which eighty eight usually goes to. Now, I appreciate everybody on Dallas Cowboys Twitter weighing in here, and a lot of people feel like Jerry Jones's strong armed CD lad had taken eighty eight because he initially

said he was gonna wear it number ten. And I did have a buddy of mine who brent to that. I said, well, isn't Jerry Jones probably the number one marketer out there when it comes to national football? So Jerry said, where the eighty eight is that? A? Is that really a bad idea to wear it? Jerry says it, what do you think? I don't think it's a bad idea for him to wear that, but I think he was your boys definitely right. He definitely got rock bottomed

into wearing an AD eight jersey. But I mean it's a smart move for him to wear it because I mean, I believe some of the jersey sales go to the players, so you know, if they're selling like hotcakes, especially down in Dallas, I mean, he's gonna get a portion of that money. So hey, I mean it's a smart move on his Behalf eighty eight is gonna seal and Jerry knows that there's there's always a high hot sales on the number eighty eight jersey and CD Lamb will benefit

from that. But this is more of a Jerry Jerry market and move than it is I want to see him be the next Grade eighty eight. I think it's it's more more market and more money. Uh maybe it was the respect they had for Tavon Austin. They just don't want to give away Tati retired number ten. You know, they want to let ta al right, he for a little bit before they just got the number ten. They saving a number ten for dead man. They switching out numbers.

There's back stop it. See see the fact that Jerry, See Jerry, who once said he was dreaming about Deaz in the shower, is not dreaming about another eighty eight and he wanted to put that on sceney lamp. So Daz's done. You now know des is done. So put on Twitter videos. Maybe Buffalo or got an Arizona. He got some places to go. Man, there's there's that's would be playing this season. I don't know that. I don't see Daz in Arizona though. I mean that's going on.

That's a track meet out there. They're trying to run. But but it's not it's not gonna be here. I mean the fact that Jerry or draft night was trying to give away to eighty eight, that told you they were done with. And so for all these fans who been hitting us up on Twitter, So our Den is a number three receiver, No, they got three receivers and your fourth receiver. You guys can speak to this because you know your fourth receiver has to play special teams

and Dens doesn't play special teams. Yeah, it's just not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. But I mean, like I said, he'll be playing somewhere Here'll be making some plays this season, this upcoming season somewhere, just not sure where at the moment. All right, let's return to the draft here, fellas. I thought the one team that at least when I did my mandrac, I thought the Saints could take a run at Love at

Jordan Loved, the quarterback out of Utah's day. But when I saw Green Bay traded up to go get Jordan Love, I was shaking my head because we know Drew Brees is at the end. He's already agreed to join NBC Sports when his time with the Saints are done. So I'm thinking this will be Drew Brees's last dance this year. But Aaron Rodgers has a big contractor that spoke about playing till forty and he's thirty six right now. When

I saw them, what happened to Love? Knowing that they needed to get a wide receiver Danny, I shook my head, saying, are they trying to mess with this man? What's going on in Greenback? What was your thoughts? Man? It's it's confusing up there, man, because you got a rod and you go back and you look at the number one receivers that they've drafted, like in the first round, and

they haven't done that for him. When you got a guy like that, you want to get as many weapons around him as possible, especially when you coming up a season like you did, when you're one game away from the super Bowl, like you gotta get this guy some help and show that you're all in on trying to

win while he's here, not building for the future. And it's very confusing that they would draft this guy that's high when there are other players out there on the board that you could have went and added as weapons for Aaron Rodgers to get. It just shows that to me. It just shows that they're they're looking toward the future, which doesn't make much sense to me because Aaron Rodgers is still playing as a top five quarterback in the league.

I'm back now. I missed the question though. Okay, so Barry, I oppose it to you. We look up on draft night and I had said when I did my mind draft, I had the Saints taking Jordan Love out of Utah State the quarterback because I felt like, all right, this is probably the end for Drew Brees, especially once we knew he agreed to a deal with NBC Sports to join to join their crew, that maybe this would be it for him. So the Saints going ahead, possibly, you know,

get in love. But we see the Green Bay Packers trading up to go get Aaron Rodgers's replacement. And here's a team that Danny I spoke about. They played in the NSC Championship game. I thought they were gonna go wide receiver. They didn't do it. So, Danny, if you're playing for the Green Bay Packers, not just Aaron Rodgers, if you're the team, what do you think by the move it's made like this where Love isn't needing to touch the field this year to help them. Yeah, yeah,

I'd be This whole situation to me is confusing. I mean, like you said, you got a guy who was a game away from going to the taking a team to the super Bowl, And I mean, like you said, he had a down year, but his numbers were still I

think remarkable. I mean he only threw so yet what maybe five or six interceptions, and I think he threw about twenty five touchdowns, And like you said, they were thirteen and three and they were a game away from winning the or going to the Super Bowl for so for them to pick up a guy who's not going to see the field, in my opinion, for the one or for the first two years at least, I mean

that that just doesn't make sense. I feel like they should have added a piece that can help them get to that next level, like a receiver, maybe another tight

end of some source. But for them to not even you know, focus on that for the first round, and then if we look back throughout his whole NFL career, I think I don't even know if they've chosen a skill position, especially receiver in the first round at Green Base since he's been there, and if you look at the numbers, he's only thrown one touchdown to one first round receiver, So for him, I think it's just, you know, if I'm him, I'm kind of upset about this because

they're not giving me pieces to further my you know, further my career in Green Band get a win, so they're already looking for my replacement. I'm pissed, But we'll see if cooler heads prevailed. Fellas. I look at Peyton Manning and what Bill Polian did and how he positioned him. So when Peyton Manning got to the Colts, they had Marvin Harrison, So Marvin Harrison the first round pick. They drafted Reggie Wayne, first round pick at wide receiver. They

drafted Anthony Gonzalez, first round pick at wide receiver. They drafted Dallas Clark out of Iowa, tied in first round receiver. They drafted Edrin James, first round running back. They drafted Donald Brown, first round running back. They drafted another kid that lsu who was a first round running back. And I just sit there at all this talent. They kept making sure Peyton Manning had weapons. And to see what

has happened for Aaron Rodgers, I shake my head. Now, look, Peyton is gonna go in the Hall of Fame, and I believe Anon Rodgers has a Hall of Fame resume. But fell you see how much it does matter when your organization tries to build around a guy just say here more pieces. And I just feel Aaron Rodgers had had a disservice done to him, by the way what

Green Bay just did in this past trap. And when you start looking at how many pieces they actually try to put around this guy, Danny take that, Yeah, I think it was. It was more glaring last season when DeVante Adams went out that you don't have enough on offense. Jimmy Graham was supposed to be the guy who could pick up a little bit. They don't have him anymore. He really didn't produce. But without Davante Adams, you were putting it in these guys there, Aaron Rodgers probably didn't

even know their name. So like, if it's anything throughout the season where you're looking you say, hey, man, for the next season, we got to make sure that we have a guy that can compliment Davante Adams, then this is what we need to do. And you watch the whole season last year, he goes out with the toe injury. They can't get anything going on offense except Aaron Jones out there scoring crazy touchdowns which was saving them, and

then playing some okay defense. And you get into the draft this year and you forget about that, Like like, I remember that, I'm not I'm not even a fan of the Packers. I remember how bad they looked without their number one receiver. And the coaching staff looks at this in the first round and goes, oh, yeah, we'll be fine. We'll be fine, So let's try something else doesn't makes sense to me at all. I would never understand it. I am perplexed. Yeah, it makes no sense

at all. Man. I mean you got if when the Vance Adams went down, I mean you got you got guys that turned into number one receivers, Like I think his name was Alan Lazard and he was on the practice pat in Jacksonville when I was down there, and he turned him into a number one receiver. It's just it's just remarkable the lack of lack of talent they had at the receiver and he was still putting up,

in my opinion, good numbers. So it's just remarkable that they didn't get anybody to help him out this offseason. And I think the writings on the wall that he won't be there much longer. But I think the fault here is at Green Bay and they just they're messing up a Hall of Fame guy right now. And I'll take this back to the Cowboys, and I'm fellas, I'll take this back to the Cowboys. If you're Dak Prescott, you've got to be very happy with what this team

has done. I mean, you go into an eleven personnel where you got one tight end one running back and Mike McCarthy Rann eleven personnel eighty percent of his time with the Greenbay Packers. So you're talking about putting out Randall Cobb, I mean at Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper, Ceedee Lamb, and then you've got the big boy they resigned Blake Jarwin over the tight end spot in EZEKIELI. If you're Dak Prescott right now and that offensive line in front

of you, you got to feel real good. I mean, you go ahead, get your contract done because you know, and I can see why Dak would want four years because with that get up here. In four years you should be able to put up some fantastic numbers here and get back out on the market. But if I'm Dak, I'm really excited about what the Cowboys had put around

me as a quarterback. Neuis is it possible that they are going to make Dak played out to see if he can put up all pro numbers this season with the talent he has a around him before they play him a long term deal. No, Because, and go back to what's been reported and some of the people who've been reporting this, I trust they've agreed to a number, it's now years. So this is Dak wants a four year deal. The Cowboys are like a five to six year deal. So this isn't so much about money now,

this is about the number of years. And from Dak's perspective, he wants a short four year deal because that's what we saw guys like Golf sign and went signed, and Russell Wilson signed a four year deal and got himself back out on the market quickly. So Dak's twenty six. So you signed a four year deal, you get back here and you're thirty years old. You're in the prime. And now that we see guys who are playing until

they're forty years old. If you're Dak, you get back out on the market with basically ten years left of your career. So I see what Dak's trying to do. And at the same time, I see, if you're the Cowboys, what do you want to do? You want to get a long term deal. Look at that long term deal they got done with Tyrant Smith. I mean, the Cowboys

are reaping the benefits of that. Tyrant got security. But the Cowboys, from their perspective, Man, they were able to really get get him locked in and he's still in my opinion, I think about Tyrant, I think he's an underpaid paid tackle. So this is a this is business man, and I get it. We'll see as they get closer to July fifteenth, who decides to blink first? If somebody

blinks first. I just think it's a possibility he plays on that tag this year, especially with everything that the High is playing out, with the pandemic and no offseason and no OTAs and possibility a shortened training camp, it's becoming more of a possibility in my mind than it was before we started going through all of this. Yeah, I gotta agree with you, d Mac. I think it's more of a possibility that he plays under this tag. Oh go ahead, go ahead, No no, no, no, finish up,

very fish up, fish finisher. I was saying that. I just think it's more of a possibility. I just think it's more of a possibility. I mean, you got a guy who he's being a new coaching staff that's coming in. They want to see if he's that if he's that good under their new scheme, and before they give him over one hundred and twenty million guaranteed. So I can see him playing another the tag, but well he missed games. That's another question. So I don't know. We'll see what

happens and Fellas. I go back to what I said before about Dak Prescott and even more I believe it's even more so now once I saw what happened with CD. There's not another situation he can go to right now that's better and built around him, better than what he's got with the Cowboys. He grew up a Cowboy fan. This is a guy making more money right now off the field than he's made audit for his rookie contract. You don't let that go. You don't. You don't mess

that up. They will get a I feel that they will get a long term deal done. I'm not as confident that I'm going bet Danny another dinner because I don't want to have to go back to that particulars. But I'm real confident and I'm real confident that this thing is gonna get done before July fifteenth, and Stephen Jones was on record already again being asked in the draft. He goes back to what we spoke about here on the show before. The Joneses have always gotten their man

they want, they want him to be their guy. They'll get it done. So it's just a matter of whether the Jokes are going to cave in the four year deal or whether they stay on their heels and try and get a five or six year deal for Dak Prescot. I feel very confident about that. We got to take one more break here, all right, one more breaking when we come back ESPN start it up with the Cowboys again. I want to dive into this. And also the last dance had had had a very interesting cameo that involves

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covering the team. Now, look, fellas, I don't watch the ESPN shows in the morning, and most of what I get is on my Twitter feed and when when people send me clips and things that they say, so so, ESPN is now wondering are the Cowboys the favorites in the NFC? And I'm just sitting there myself saying, really, are we going here already? Because it doesn't make sense in my opinion to start wondering, Hey, or the cow was gonna win the NFC. We got a new coaching

staff that's got to implement stuff. And part of me really does wonder do they just throw this stuff out there just to try and and and tick people off, because I just think it's I mean, how do you forget what the San Francisco forty nine ers just did. If there's anybody that's a favorite in the NFC, it should be the forty nine. Is what they did in the Super Bowl. They almost won the thing. If Jimmy Garoppolo could throw a touchdown past he Manuel Sanders, who

we miss, they ain't crazy, take that. Yeah, Listen, we all know that the Cowboys are the number one topic for any sports show to talk about, right and especially now when there's not much sports going on. They always have to come up with some type of scenario that will put us at the top to knock us down if we don't make it all, put us at the bottom, and then it to make us feel good if we do.

If we do just somehow win the NFC, I will say that with the talent that we have on the offensive side of the ball, that it is a possibility that we can overtake the forty nine ers for that crown, especially with Jimmy g playing quarterback. We all know how I feel about that guy from my fantasy team last year.

But I mean it's possible, but we shouldn't be getting crowned that today, just just based off what we have on paper, because history shows that we always have a great team on paper, but when we get on the field sometimes it just don't pan out how we expect it to. Yeah, you're right, a man, like you said, history has show, especially like we've seen just last year.

I mean, we were crowned the offseason champs. We were supposed to go in there and off those first three games, we thought, Yo, this team is gonna be unstoppable, maybe even undefeated. Boys were already booking their tickets to Miami, but it just didn't end up working that way. So, um, I think you know, like you said, right now, we we kind of won the offseason as they say, and maybe we'll be able to take over that crowd as the as the regular season champ. But we gotta we

gotta put in the work first. We gotta go out there and to do what we gotta do first. But on paper, this team pretty much seems unstoppable on paper as as of today. It's a new regime in the builder though, man, so we may be able to expect a little bit more. I just I just think we should be putting up thirty five to forty points a game, hopefully not giving up sixty. We got DVS Now, Man, what you knew he's happy with our defensive back rule. So what did you guys think of Philadelphia drafted Jalen

Hurts in the seconder. I listen, that was almost one of those, um those Aaron Rodgers situations because we know how how often Carson Wentz gets hurt. Um, So so maybe now you may be looking for the next guy. Man, he really hasn't played that will And you know, in my opinion, um Nick Foles kind of carried them to the super Bowl. He was having an MVP season and then the next season he came back and he looked average.

So Jalen Hurts is kind of like that that new class you see um Lamar Jackson rolling out there, and you see like the new class of quarterbacks to Russell Wilson and all that, and Jayleen Hurts fits that. So we may be seeing the end of the Carson Wentz era in the in the next next year or two. I think I might have to disagree a little bit. Man, I think they didn't get They didn't get that man

way too much money. So I feel like, if as long as he can stay healthy, if the man can play through sixteen games, playoffs, if that would have happened, I think he has nothing to worry about, even though it even if his numbers are pedestrian thing, if he can play through sixteen games, I think they're gonna stick with him. But like you said, I mean, he is

kind of injury prone. But if he if he can stay healthy, he might be able to capture that form he had back and I think twenty and fourteen when um they had way or not was at two thousand and fourteen, two thousand and sixteen, i'm sorry, or seventeen I'm sorry when they had went to the super Bowl and he was he was an MVP candidate. So if he can recapture that, for him, I think he has

nothing to worry about. That's tough. That's tough to recapture bear and he didn't have a lot of offensive weapons. He did have a lot of offensive weapons. So we're gonna see, man, We're gonna see he ain't weapons of the I've seen him. The next year, I was like, man, this ain't the same guy. This is not him. He's a little tit of that in that talking nuh, Phillies played. Phillies played six playoff games under Doug Peterson since Carson Wentz has been there, and Carson Wentz has played a

total of nine snaps in those six football games. So when you think about those numbers, drafted, Jail Hurts ain't the craziest thing. If anything, this dude may play. Jalen Hurts may end up being the guy because Carson's been hurt every year since his junior year of college. So while people consider him, say why do you use the

second round pick? I think when you start looking at the numbers and if they go to you know, when the NFL goes to seventeen games, um what not this year, but the year after that, you're gonna have to have a legitimate backup guy and bury you right, they wasted a lot of money on Carsons because guy can stay healthy exactly. But let me ask you a question, Nui, Danny boff y'all, do we honestly think that Carson or not Carson Wentz, but Jalen Hurts can come in and

be that guy. To me, I'm not sold I think he's more of a gimmick guy. But I mean, let's see, what are your thoughts. I think if you have a good defense and you have a running back into receiver to run that RPO and zone read, I think Jalen Hurts can get that done. He's a proven winner. He's shown him he's able to pick up new offenses compete at the highest level. He did he did at Alabama.

He also did it at Oklahoma. I think that if you get if you put the right tools around him and the right the right coaches to help him get better at throwing and making those reads, I think he can be a starting caliber quarterback. And I think he can overtake Carson Wentz if Carson Wentz is not healthy or he's having one of those down seasons that we've

seen him have before. I think a new problem that people I think people's problem with Jalen Hurts is a perception problem that, Hey, you lost your job at Alabama, but who would you lose your job too. You lost your job to a tug of Voloa, who is the fifth pick in the draft with a bad hip. You know two is a special player. So he goes out to Oklahoma replaces Kyler Murray, who was the number one pick in the draft. Oklahoma still wins to the Big

Twelve title. They go back to the college football player. I think Jalen Hurts. When you look at this league the start for quarterbacks, I think Jalen Hurts can play. And I'll give Doug Peterson a lot of credit. I believe he'll be able to put a package around Hurts which will be able to work. So I think I think the young man is going to be able to come in here and play. And Lord knows the way people died in Lamar Jackson and what he did in

year two. And look, if wins has hurt one more time, Philly may be forced to go ahead and just say, hey, Jayleen, to take this thing U. So I think while he's they're being criticized today, give Howard Roseman this as a general manager. He's built a super Bowl winning team. And it's when people doubt that sometimes you look back and said, humh, wow, we didn't know. People didn't know what Ozzy Nusen was really onto with Lamar Jackson, and look at what he's

done here. So I believe that guys have to do this Hurts had success. I mean when he left the field against Clemson, Alabama was in the league. It was Alabama's defense with all those first round picks that gave it up to Deshaun Watson had lost the natural tempions game. That game was not okay. I mean Jalen Hurts he did his job that I mean in particular game as much as he could. No. Just well, think about the Romo. So Romo was here and I believe twenty fifteen he

breaks his collarbro on twice. All right, the next season, they pick up back because Romo is injury prone at this point, so they need to have a backup quarterback. He goes in against Seattle and he messes up his back and then that steps in as a service from quarterback and now he's a star. I think it's kind of the same same situation that they have Jaalen Hurts in right now with Carson Wentz bey an injury prone and them picking up a guy who can come in

and maybe do what because you have to have insurance. Me, if it's one thing you've seen, you've seen with Carson went you have to have some type of insurance. And I think Howard Roseman did the right thing, and I believe that Jalen Hurts can play in this league based on what he did in college and with the speed receivers that they decided to put up their Philadelphia. I think it fits into what Jalen can do. So it'll

be interesting to see, guys. It would be very interesting to see uh the last dance Parts UH three and four were air this past week. Gentlemen, did you see my quick three second cameo interviewing Dennis Rodman and when you had a hair had a full hair to hair Man three sixty waves going, man, I'm gonna have that that camel told brush. Well, I that's when you walk around the brush of your back pocket. I had. I

owned three brushes. I had a brush that I kept in the car, I had a brush that I kept in the office, and I had a brush that I kept at home. Yes, yes, so I had hair glasses and a fresh nineteen nineties Arizona kind of plattish shirt. So yes I made. I'm very happy now this this this documentary is a award winning documentaries. I made my three second Dennis rod ask your question, ask your question? Were you more of a murray of a Murray's Jail

or you had the Sporting Waves sixty Sporting Waves. Yeah. See, I didn't like the Murray pomade because it made my hair gray if you put too much in. It was too heavy. So the Sporting Waves was a little bit better. So so I was a big Sporting Waves guy. But at the end of the day, there's one of the big con jobs they've done on black men because them things don't work. Okay, I got two last it didn't really work. I spent way too much on that product.

So so yeah, it was it might have been your brustles. Did you had a medium? Did you had a medium the medium bristles, or did you had the heart brush? No? I got rid of the hard brush. My head my head sensitive, so I had the nice soft rush. I was just telling the old it didn't work. They just said, right. They just taking they're just taking brothers money. That's all they do. Listeners, the listeners out there, do not use when you're young. Do not use the hard brush. You

see what happens when you use the hard brush. Brush church Hall, right off, right off the scale, right off the scale. Do not use the hard brush when you're young. Just putting it out there, so I grow some dress. I gotta get. No. I ain't gonn grow no dress. I gotta get you guys, did you did you have sympathy for Isaiah thomas In in the last day and today with this na I didn't have any sympathy for him. I mean, my guy, I was kicking Michael Jordan's but

three years straight before they finally took him down. In those three years, every time Michael Jordan went up there and shook his hand and and UH displayed good sportsmanship. So for Isaiah sit there and say, no, we didn't do that back in the day. It wasn't like that. Everybody did that when they lost. I think that was complete boll and. I don't have any sympathy for him, man. Yeah, Man, some people you just can't cross like that. Man, You

gotta know who you're dealing with. Some people hold grudges and that grudge has been hell for a long time, and you just gotta take that ill you you wanted to go out there and be disrespectful. You were going to shake the hand, and somebody came and told you we ain't shaking their hands, so you automatically knew it was wrong. Because you were going to do the right thing and you let somebody come over and change your mind. So with that, you gotta take what George's giving. I

found this to be four four episodes, great TV. That was good, Fellas, So so fellas. I'm sitting around here waiting on when I get to find out who jug Buschler is. A lot of people, a lot of people don't know who jug Buschler is. So I'm looking forward to see that in the coming episode. Yeah, I don't even know I'm gonna find out. Listen, how about how about Dennis Robin taking the vacation in the middle of the season, going to the Great six City. Who gets

away with that? That's what I'm saying, Like, who said, you know what, coach, I didn't put this work in the first half of the season. I'm gonna go ahead and go gamble a little bit and hang out. I'll be back in the curain. What give me two days? And then you don't even come back. They got to fly the way out in Vegas and get you. How was he able to finish the season? Like, I just don't understand it. Some people built different, man, some people built different This is true. Oh, oh yeah, knew it.

Check this out. So it's a it's a TV show called The Scheme and it's it kind of you saw it, Church, You gotta watch this, man. It follows the the FBI trying to trying to figure out how these college coaches are getting paid and how the how like how the money flows between players getting paid to come to certain schools and go to certain agencies. And it's this whole FBI task force that that that set this thing up. And it's I think it's like two hours long, but

it's it's very it's good, bro. You gotta check it out. Checking s check it out the sting. All right, Church, you're gonna find out how dirty LSU basketball is when you watch this spot the way I'm LGU football guy and listen. They only they only listen. That was only the most recent LSU basketball coach, not the ones in the past. He's a new breed. They didn't pay. They didn't pay on new to go back then. I don't know that I was a young I was a young man. I was a young man. I didn't know. I didn't

know a dollar from a dime at that point. Well, Shack actually had a relationship with Dale Brown when he was his dad was stationed in Germany, and that relationship ended up continuing, and that was one reason why he chose LSU over beloving Tar heels Um. So that was how that relationship was form. But Will Wade is down there making quote unquote strong blank offers to that in there, so you know he gonna find a reason I hate on LGU. I don't know why I'm not hate. That's

the FBI who sat around there uncovered it. But at the end of the day, what I found amazing is that the head coaches all stayed clean and the people who had charges brought against them and got fired were the assistants. Now who none of these assistants or they have the juice to do all this stuff without the head coaches knowledge. I mean, we all know these college

coaches are type A personalities. And to think that these guys were just running around here giving away one hundreds of thousands of dollars and the head coach didn't know anything, because the head coach is down there in the basement watching field is beyond laughable. To me. Well, y'all, you're not gonna bring up the ethnicity and these guys. But like the dudes that with the jail, they all they all look the same except one of the Didas guy. So you you'll see it when you watch it. I

have to check it out. Yes, it looks, it looks. It's just reminds you where the judicial system is in it. Yes, yes, very much so, Danny. That's that's been an hour. All right, we fly by on this show. It's a lot of fun. We appreciate everybody who checked this out here, Danny, Barry fellas, have a fantastic weekend, and we'll get back together on Friday for another edition up the Players Lounge. I'm knew

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