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to get to. I'm knew, we scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter, joined by two former Dallas Cowboys safeties, Barry Church and Danny McCray. All Right, fellas a lot going on. Can we start with free agency? Is that good by you guys? That's good with your boy? Whatever knew he wants, whatever knew he wants. I'm all in. Cowboys is not happy. Cowboy Nation wants moves. Cowboy Nation sees what the Patriots are doing and they want to see that happen here. And a part of me is laughing because what do

we see written midway through every season? Hey, everybody who ran out there the first week of free agency, these deals aren't as good as they thought. You know, don't do it. And you used to hear people say the Patriots they understand how to do it right. They don't go out here the first week of free agency. They let everybody else go. Well, then the Patriots run out here first week of freec Yeah, see great job, Bill, look at what they're doing. I'm just trying to understand

how should this go. Guys, what do we believe. Do we believe bad money spent free agency the first week or not? I don't. I think it depends on the player. I don't. I think there's good money they can be spent in the first week of free agency. And we're gonna give Bill Belichick a pass because he is the great Bill Belichick said, We're just going to assume that he knows exactly what he's doing, especially since he didn't

have anything to work with last year. But there are some guys who go out there and spend too much money. Jerry would tell you that he went out there and got Brandon Car for fifty million dollars and he overpaid for him. But ever since then he's been a little gunshot. So I think that there were some moves that we could have made. I was looking at Patrick Peterson thinking we can get a veteran corner out there or making some type of splash on the d line. But I

guess we're gonna wait to the draft for that. So Jerry's gonna stick to his guns and just and just wait it out. Yeah, I think he's gonna gonna wait it out. And then well, first let me address the Bill Belichick, the great Bill Belichick. I don't know how great he's been. All Right, my boy Tom Brady left and everything off the cliff. If we look at his draft record, I mean, I'm not sure. I'm not sure he don't two players Brady and Gronkowski. So I'm not

sure about the Great Bill Belichick. But back to the question, Um, look, I think I think the Cowboys, man, if we if we watched their track record ever since, like Danny McCrae just stated, ever since you know, we paid b car, we haven't made that big splash in free agency. And I feel like their philosophy is, you know, groom from within and pay your guys that you draft from within.

Has it always worked out? No? But the free agent class we had last year when we went out there and we did a little bargain shop and we did a little here, in a little bit of there, they were terrible. I mean, Jerry, every single free agent that we brought to the team, half of them were cut before even the season started. So for Cowboys, they should to go out there and say, hey, let's plunge, just plunge,

let's plunge. I mean, look at our track with do we want to spend fifty million on something and ended up being a bus Then we're really in the hole. So for me, I'm gonna continue to ride with the with the Joneses have been doing these past couple of years. Built from within. There are some moves out there and free agency that I would like to see the Cowboys make, but I'm not sure they would like. I said that free safety position, to me is one of the top

priorities that we gotta get after. And there's plenty of free safety free agents out there that will not break the bank. I've named the couple already on this show to Sean Gibson Trey Boston. There's plenty of options out there that can help this defense, and they're bargains and they're very solid players. So for the free agents that

we've gotten already so far on this defensive line. I'm gonna be honest with you, I haven't really heard a lot about those guys, but hopefully they can come in here and provide some depth or provide some pop for this defense, because we know we know we needed. But going back to the question, I just feel like the Jones is on. They've been doing a pretty good job these past couple of years as far as fielding a team.

I know last year was kind of that, you know, we're just gonna throw that away because that WHO free agent class was terrible. But I'm gonna ride with them and hopefully they can get some more guys defense to help. So so, so tell me this would you have liked to see? Listen? Because I know you guys are all on the Alabama cornerback and all that. It's two guys. It's two guys out there, all right. I think I think that's a good bargain price for Patrick Peterson and

Kyle Fuller just became available on the market. If I'm looking at guys who I would pick, I would have taken over the unknown of certain in the first round. I would have gave these two guys a shot. I think that would have been something where you could make a splash in free agency, and you don't go out there and spend fifty million dollars on a guy. You go out there and sign until one year deal, so kind of like you did Quinn and see how it works for one year. I would love to have fully.

I would love to have him on this squad. But when we were talking in our group text, I knew it. He made a great point that I think he's gonna be. I think he's gonna have a lot of suitors out there, and I think his price is just gonna keep rising and rising as people compete for his services. But I would love to have him. I think he's a very solid corner out there. He's a pro bowler, all pro and he seems like a great leader. He was in Chicago. So I would love to have him, Just not sure

he can. We can we can afford that man? So so would you have paid the Tim Meal for Patrick Peterson without a doubt, Without a doubt, I mean, you wouldn't have did that movie? Oh easy? Let me hear why, Let me hear why? I dude? And it's one one Because Dak Prescott got signed and you start looking at how many people are making big money under this cap. You aren't going to be able to go out here and spend ten million dollars, especially on an older player.

What you're trying to do, You're not going to Nieman Marcus. You're you're trying not to be at five below like you were last year's shop, because five below was definitely five below. You're trying to figure out, how can I get here to TJ Max? And Patrick Peterson is not a TJ Max guy. Patrick Peterson, so so we could Hey, baby, I didn't spend many a dollar TJ Max. Baby, I like TJ Max. But so so you're trying. This is where the cowboys are the first week or free agency.

You shopping at the nice big box store. They can't do that, so we try. We gotta go over here to the shopping mall, to the shopping center, and this is where the cowboys are going to be. If Kyle Fuller somehow can land in that spot, then maybe the cowboys can do something. But Patrick Peterson was not going to be a guy they were gonna be able to

get the TJ Max Church Church Church. Do you remember maybe a few months ago my man knew he was throwing numbers out there for all the Smith talking about three years, talking about nine million dollars a year, you know, and now you're talking about you can't get Patrick Peterson for ten and you you're looking at all that Smith. They could have found a way to make it work with Patrick Peterson. They could have got them on nor

strooms and they would have been fine. We know, we know these teams know how to make stuff work with cap the car caps imaginary. Where did I end up with Aldon Smith? We were just talking about free agencies two weeks ago with guys. I just know when you started. I just know where you started. When did I finished? I know where I mean. Listen, after you played like that, of course you're gonna finish finished that way. But I'm saying, okay, we go to play better than you. Okay, So so

there you go. Now now that you're here, now that it's money paying time, I'm putting my check book away. All talked, little talking. So I hadn't changed my mind. You you know, as Bill Parcels used to say when he coached the Cowboys, I reserved the right to change my mind. I have changed my mind. It is time to go. It plus you got a new defensive scheme. So at this time we didn't think Mike Nolan was gonna get fired. We think the Cowboys be six and ten and everything would blow up and the hot Boys

and be cold Boys. But it happened, so Alder Smith got to go Danny all right, Well, Patrick Peters, I know I'm not telling that Patrick Peters. So I'm not telling you that Patrick Peterson is not a player that could have helped the Cowboys. I'm just telling you, by the way the Cowboys has spent their money and with this Dak Prescott deal, he was going to be too

much for them. They're still trying to now go to TJ Max to get them Nikes, but you're not trying to get them nikes at that price tag that you gotta get at the higher store. That's all I'm saying. Okay, this is where you're at the now, Well Kyle Fuller get there. I don't think Kyle Fuller will get into the TJ Max category for the Cowboys, so I'd like to see the player here. I don't know if they

can work out something creative. There's so many teams that have cap issues that maybe maybe the Cowboys can get lucky enough to get the player, but they definitely weren't going to get Patrick Peterson, whose agent was smart enough to say, hey, let's strike as soon as free agency hits. Don't wait because the longer you wait, the money drives up. Cow Fuller's getting more money than Patrick Peterson on the market. I agree he should. I agree. That's why I don't like.

I said, I like the player, but I don't think they can afford the player. They're going to try to see if the player's price comes down. This is what the game they're playing right now as an organization, and I don't think that it will. I think the problem is we're over here shopping at TJ. Max Man when we need to be giving a little bit of Macy's or dealer's love. I think that's what we need to be going towards. We're not at the north Ship level yet, we're not at the neeble markets, but we can get

some some may see some dealers in there. We can get some deals like that in there. Yeah, something something, because we're bringing in nothing but you know, no disrespect, but we're bringing in guys that you know, backup, guys, back up and why and why are you doing that? Okay, and why are you doing that? You don't have enough money to go to Macy's. Yeah, that's true, you clearly and you don't have enough money. This was going to be in church. You talked about it when it first

you hit it. Yeah, oh yeah. Moving on from Dak, this was what the cost was going to be. The Patriots can spend all this money because they've got all this money under the cap. The Cowboys don't have it. When you look at who they're paying Dak Prescott, Zekiel Elliott, Zach Martin, Tyrnn Smith, Lord, you've got big contracts. So this is why you going to TJ max. Your budget is limited. Okay, what's that? What's Dax's cap hit this year?

Twenty It was it twenty two, twenty two. Come, so you got a twenty two million dollars cap hit and you're talking about because Dack signed the deal. That's why we can't go go go shop at Norse rooms. That I think that's that was a great decision for them, and they actually saved them some bread to go out there and make some moves. We would looking at we

were looking at thirty, we were looking at thirty seven. Okay, and you're right, Danny, But at the same time, you still don't have all this this thought process that the Cowboys and the press conference I was at was trying to tell you, hey, we got enough pie to go out here and build a competitive defense and team around Dak Prescott. That that did not include them jumping out

the first week of free agency. I think they're still going to make moves, but you're not going to see first week free agency dollars where you're sitting here singing that, hey we got Patrick Peterson on one year, ten million dollars deal. They're not doing that. I just feel like that was cheap. I feel I feel like the ten I feel like ten millis for one on the player,

like that is cheap. Oh but but clearly they didn't so that you know, so that that's the that's that's the reality you have to live in, is that they didn't feel like that was what they needed. Now and this is something I don't know. This would be great if we could have a conversation, what does dan Quinn want in the quarter? Does dan Quinn want what Patrick

Peterson brings? Clearly Mike Zimmer does, But that there in lies another question there um and seeing where they get to here in week two, and I think, if I'm a Cowboy fan, come off this whole premise and dog on it. They're not doing anything. I want them to do something. Here. Just understand where you gotta go shopping, baby, Okay, we're not going to the We're not going to the store you want to go to. We gotta break you on down. You can get good deals to TJ Max.

And that's where the cowboys are letting you know. This is where they've been shopping. They ain't changing, baby. They got the credit card to the TJ Max. Now they got a credit card. And this is where you go church church. When the last time you've been to TJ Max? Uh? You know I was over there yesterday give some some kids supplies, you know, supplies for the I was nt Max get I had. I had a little card getting it in I was. I was shopping. I had a

little receipt list from TJ Max. Even nowhere it is my man, man, I tell you well, my friends like y'all. Man, I'm telling you baby, look shot shot con made sure you never had to go down to TJ Mat shout out by the way, man shout out dot com page baby, So you didn't have to do that anymore. I'm happy for you. You're checking out players. Laughs. On Dallas Cowboys dot com. We were brought to you by hotels dot com. Danny McCray Perry Church. I'm knew, he shrugs, all right,

McCray Church played for the Cowboys safety position. I'm just the old Cowboys reporter. Let's talk about a couple of guys at the Cowboys did make some moves on the free agency. They retake Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis the slot corner, three year, sixteen point five million dollars eight and a half million UM guaranteed, played in sixty one of sixty six possible games, thirteen stars in twenty twenty. It's basically the Anthony Brown. I'll start with you, mccraig. You're good

with this. You're good with this. Listen, I'm good with it. It's a little confusing. Um. It makes me a little nervous for you guys in that certain pick because I'm like, now they got they got three guys out there. Uh. I see Jordan Lewis as being a better slot corner than Anthony Brown, so maybe they'll pump bump him outside and make him compete with whoever they ended up drafting.

But you know, I've been saying this all along. I think that the defensive coordinator really set these guys back, because last two years ago, as we were watching Jordan Lewis, I thought that he was prepared to be one of the best slot corners in the league. He you see his instincts, you can see his quickness, you can see him making players on the ball, and then all that

just kind of left last year. So I think with a new new coaching staff, new new scheme, new techniques, and getting back to the basics, I think he'll he'll show that he's worth what they paid him this year. Yeah, this this move right here from me, it was a headscratcher. It was a headscratcher because, like you said, they basically got two nickel corners. They're paying two nickel corners top

nickel not top nickel money, but good nickel money. I mean, you got Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis, who are both prototypical Nickels as far as body, stature, quicks, all that stuff. They're the same player. And we've seen Anthony Brown transition from the nickel to the outside corner with not that great success. So if you're dual, if you're paying both of those guys and they play the same position, I don't see one of those guys going out to the outside.

I just don't see it. They don't have the body type. I'm not saying they're not good enough to do it, but they just don't have the physical body type to go out there and compete with the taller corner or the taller receivers like the AJ Greens of the World's and all that stuff. So I see them both being the same type of player. So I for you to have both guys getting paid that much money in the

same position, that's a head scratcher to me. Nothing against Jordan Lewis because, like McCrae said, I think he was going to be one of the most prototypical nickels, and he was a ball magnet the year before last, in twenty nineteen, he was a ball magnet. This year he took a kind of a dip, But a lot of that people are saying is due to the Mike Nolan system and a lot of these guys didn't know what they were doing out there, so hopefully he can get

back to that ball magnet type of play. But like I said, it was a head scratcher because you already got that guy Anthony Brown, and they have the same similar skill set. I thought we could have used those dollars somewhere else, maybe gotten a K one short on the defensive line or something like that, but we ended up going with George Lewis, which I found it as

a head scratcher. And hopefully we still go after Certain, but if we, I mean, if we don't, we still got those three guys sitting there, and I just I just don't see that as being a solid three corner, you know, cornerback group. You know, I seek we have a great or not a great, but we have a developing outside guy in Diggs. We have two good nickel corners and Brown and Lewis, but we still don't have

that outside piece. And if you bring in Certain, that's just a lot of money in that secondary room for not a lot of proven players. And you know, it was a head scratcher to me. All Right, this is good. I like the conversation and I love the conversation where this is going. So let me kind of play Devil's advocate and then you guys can shoot it down. Anthony Brown is on a three year deal, so this will be year two of the three year deal. So that third year you may decide you want to move on

from Brown, and then you've got Lewis. Than by signing Lewis, you kind of give yourself all right, we've got two guys here, they're placeholders. We got three corners. If you draft another guy, Let's say it's Sir Tanner Farley at ten and who knows, maybe you could somehow magically find Kyle Fuller looking real good at the TJ Maxisle. You could possibly get him and then have the whole different looking type of cornerback big. But right now, just here we are, you know, just a couple of days after

Saint Patrick's Day. Isn't it almost like an insurance policy? Says, see an insurance policy. They say, hey, look, we can get George Lewis on an Anthony Brown deal, which looks better for us, and we'll kind of figure to Anthony Brown deal out later, but we can still if we want to add to this dB room. But just a free agency right now. And we look at how the

Cowboys have operated. George Lewis is a guy, you know, and going back to what you said, Danny Echoes what Stephen Jones was saying at that press conference for Dak Prescott. He said, we have players here that Dan Quinn can work with. There's talent to work with. He clearly feels that George Lewis was a guy who underperformed under Mike Nolan, who, in their own kind way didn't say this. Dude didn't know what he was doing. If Richard Sherman still out there, sorry, Church, Yes,

you're gonna go ahead. Bro. Is Richard Sherman still out there as a free agent, because I know he played under Dan Quinn and you're looking for a veteran and you're looking for something on the TJ. Maxwell, he might be in that price range as he's looking for places to go. So, you know, I wouldn't throw that out there because, like I said, you know, defensive coordinators are always looking for leaders who were in their previous in

their previous scheme that could make things happen. So be on the lookout for Richard Sherman and to talk to him. Heating up coming to the Cowboys and look and Lewis,

I would agree. I would agree with your point about, you know, having a placeholder and having guys for the future, because you know, after guaranteed money is up with a Brown, I see, unless he has, you know, a spectacular season, they're probably gonna move on from him, and then you can insert jun George Lewis right there, and I would

agree with that. If we had the luxury of having a great front seven, Like if we had a great front seven already and we were just like, you know what, let's add some depth for future reference and all that other stuff, I would definitely agree with you. But we just have so many other needs right now to go ahead and pay two slot corners. I just don't I don't understand that. I feel like we could have used those dollars elsewhere. But you know, hey, the Cowboys and

free agency, we know it adds up in the air. Man. Okay, let's let's keep rolling here and I'll throw this out here. We talk about injuries and a possible seventeenth game could be added to the schedule. That's out there. So having you know, having some depth in the in the defensive backfield is not a bad deal. Now, I come back to what you just said here Church spending money up front.

Who is the guy in free agency that you said, Man, they should have went and got this player up front that they could also afford at the time before we got Jordan Lewis. I just want to depending on what the Dominican wanted. Man, we still haven't herited or any numbers on what the dominicanid have wanted in free Actually, he's still out there. He's still out There's a K one short still out there, and I feel like those dollars, I feel like they could have went to those players

or potential players that could get after the quarterback. And I think we need that more than anything. We both talked about this on the last episode in previous episodes, or how we would build a defense from the front to back, and from right now, from what the Cowboys are doing, it's looking like they're putting more emphasis on the back end, and they're putting more emphasis on guys that haven't really done much in the in the NFL yet.

I could see if these guys were just automatic ball hawks and just lightened it up, if they were the Legion of Boom, Yes, bring all those guys back, But these guys struggled a lot last year, and we struggled a lot more up in the front of our defense last year. So I feel like we should have put allocated more dollars toward that, injecting more funds into that defensive line than going ahead and showing our back in before that. But it's not all. That's just my pros over.

It's not let's take a break. Let's take a break and I something you said about sue just maybe treating this. Oh yeah, I gotta say this. So let's take a break right here. We gotta pay, we gotta pay the bills, and uh, we'll be back to talk about I domic is sueing this d line on the players, lads right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Adjust your cleats, adjust your pads, even adjust your helmet, but seriously, don't adjust your underwear because once it's seen, it cannot be unseen.

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been talking about free agency in the Cowboys. Oh, basically taking care of a little bit of the back end. Now they take care of some of the front end. All right, So yesterday three defensive linemen were signed. You had Carlos Watkins coming from Houston on a one year deal. Brent Urban defensive end slash defensive tackle coming over from the Chicago Bears, and defensive Endrell Bash him two year deal, six million dollars twenty seven three and a half sacks

last year he was with the Jets. Church, I would love to see in Dominican Sue here. The issue for the Cowboys is his first preference for what's being reported, is to play in Tampa again. But Tampa is trying to resign players and get guys back, and they've done that, which makes me start to wonder is there enough money for Sue who come to come back to Tampa. And if I'm the Cowboys, the longer this goes, I think, the bigger the possibility that you could make that phone

call to Sue and get in on it. But also, Sue's a guy who likes his money, So by saving a little bit of the powder, maybe you can go ahead and get an impact guy. He just have to be a little bit you have to be a little bit patient here. And while Cowboy fans don't want to hear it, I'm still thinking a guy like Sue could be a possibility. Church, I'm still thinking that I would

love it. I would love it if he was able to come out here, because he just brings that nasty just in your fan doesn't care who he's playing against. You saw when he in the NSC Championship. He was throwing Rodgers around and letting him hear about it after every play. That's the type of guys you want to go to battle with on a defensive line. But let me go ahead and throw another name out there that you know he might be available because he hasn't produced

in the past couple of years. But this guy has a heck of a talent and that's that's just y beyond clowney. I mean, look, he hasn't produced them, so I don't think he's gonna throw a lot of them. I don't think he's gonna get garner a lot of money out there. But look, if this guy is hungry, we've seen him make plays in the past. I know we got Randy Gregory, I know we got d Law out there, so that's the only thing. That's the only problem he would be taking snaps from one of those guys.

But overall, I mean, if he can come on a team friendly deal, don't think we should kick the tires on that. No good I'm going I'm going against it, mainly because, like you said, we got first of all, letting nui tell it, we have no money at all to do anything. I don't think. I don't think Jadavian

Clowney is a TJ max player either. But I really really do believe that if you keep Randy Gregory, you know, keep his mind right, keep him you know, in tune with the game, and keep him out of trouble, I think that he has the potential to hold down that right side of the defensive line and I don't think you want to mess that up by bringing somebody like Clowney in. And I think our biggest problem number two

was the interior. I know, we went out there and got three three guys, and like I said, mainly they had been backup players, hadn't started the full season for the majority of those guys. So I think you really need to make that flash thing. So whatever money you can get out there to put towards Sue. And then, you know, I hate to say this, but in the

d have you need to find a guy. You got to find a guy because you know what we went out here and got in free agency just isn't isn't what's gonna save us from being the worst run team in the league. We really need some guys with some names and that soon leadership and that nastiness. I think that will really work for us. So let me let me just throw this scenario here, because it seems where

this is heading. The Cowboys sit out the first week, so they're not shopping, they're not shopping big the first week. But they come back the second week and they signed some good players to some good deals which fit and work for them because guys are teams are starting to run out of money, and so you start to look at the Cowboys and the thing that they can sell to a whole lot of free agencies. This there's no

state taxes here, and we've got our quarterback. We got our quarterback back, and we feel like we're going in the right direction. Back to me, is gonna be Jerry. Can Jerry be the salesman here? So if this is where they go with this, mccraig, can you live with it? Can you be all right? If that? You know, you let Jerry kind of play this thing out a little bit better and be so much better at Sony free agents this year because you've got Quinn coming in here

running a better skin. Thoughts. Absolutely, I'll be okay with it one because I listen, there's a sword I'm gonna die on. I'm climbing this hill and I'm telling you, dan Quinn is in there. He's making these decisions, and he's going to get the best guys available for him that they can afford. So I believe dan Quinn is

gonna make this happen. I believe second week, third week, whatever week it is, he's going to pinpoint his guy who he needs on his team to be that leader and be his voice in that locker room and get these guys right. So I'm okay with it. What I have loved to see, like I said, a big splash at corner, a big splash at defensive tackle, big splash of safety. Of course I would love to see it. But I said, I believe in dan Quinn. I think

he's gonna he's gonna make this thing happen. LUI let me tell you something, man eight and eight in seven and written all over it right now. I mean it's all over the chalkboard right now. I mean, look, we got dan Quick coming in here and mccraig. He's a part of the crew man that they think Quinn is gonna come in here and just shape these players and turn this one of the historically bad defenses into one of the best defenses. We have a bargain shopping and

not that. So I just don't I don't really personally, I don't believe Dan Quinn can do that for these players. I think this guys is a good defensive coordinator, but I think he needs his tools. As we saw him in Seattle, he had those players to kind of make that defense come alive. I'm not sure he can do that with the cupboard of tools he has right now in Dallas. And as we continue to bargain shop, I know it's not over yet. I know free agency is

not over yet. But if we continue this trend of just bargain shopping and getting these dollar general no disrespect, I ain't gonna say dollar TJ Max apologizegize, did not mean that that was disrespectaful apple. Oh. If we keep going down this bargain shopping road, I mean, I just don't see us turning around. I just see an office, you know, putting up all these points. But then eight and eight seven nine written all over it to me.

So last year we saw the Cowboys ink Everson Griffin and we fought at the time it would be a good signing. One thing that I think we can't all agree on is that they ended up getting a player with a good reputation at a favorable price for them. The year before that, Robert Quinn get a favorable price on a player and it ended up turning out correctly

for them. I am thinking that this is going to be that same type of deal where they're going to be able to find a player that works for them, and several teams in across the league can find some players of work for them, such as Patrick Peterson going to Minnesota that works for them. So that's to me going to be the interesting thing. Can the Cowboys do

it again? And you know, I give Danny. I believe what Danny says here the queenn can get guys in a better position because Mike Nolan was so tragically bad at being a defensive coordinator and that the Jones has stepped in and there and say hey, here's Dan Quinn and you got you got Mike McCarthy rolling along with that. Here.

Wanted to bring up another topic here about the defense, and I saw social media alleged trade talks about Michael Gallup, receiver of the Cowboys, to New England for Stephan Gilmore. Gilmore is being shocked. Gilmore's got one year left at seven million dollars. The Patriots probably are not going to keep him around. He also, courted in the NFL network, wants a new deal. So if you trade for Gilmore,

he's not going up for just seven million dollars. He wants a new deep So your overall opinion fellas on gaut for Gilmore? Would you want to do this deal? I'll start with you, mister mccraig. No, I listen. I really like Gallup. I think he's a really, really important part of our offense. He's that guy who can go deep and make those those big catches, those the graphs like Das Bryant used to make. You don't see Amari Cooper making those type of grabs. Ceedee Lamb will eventually

get there. But if you look at our team over the last couple of years, Michael Gallup is that guy who can go out for that one on one ball. He's our main deep threat. So I really like him being on our team, and I don't think that's an even trade for us of what we're looking for him Stephan Gilmore seven million and gonna be looking for a bigger deal. If that's the case, we should have win

got Patrick Peterson or Kyle Fuller. So Kyle Fuller, I mean, I think there's better options out there for us, and they will be cheaper. So that's not a trade that I'm willing willing to do. I like our offense in a way. It looks right now. Look for me, I say no simply because, like you said, Nui, if we bring him in here, he's gonna want a new deal. And you know, I don't know if we do that, but if he comes in here, just saying, let's just say hypothetically he comes in here, he's on his mercenary.

I'll take it by one year for seven meal whatever I'll play with you guys, I would do it in a heartbeat. I would do it just like that if he if he came in here and said, I'll play that one for seven and then I'll go about my way. I'll do it in a heartbeat. I love Michael Gallup, I love what he brings you. Know he gets those fifty fifty balls. He's kind of that deep threat guy, has great hands. But but we have so many options

on the office. I mean, we got Cooper, we got Blake Jarmon coming back from Menji, we got Shoult who was reliable out there, we got Ceedee Lamb. I mean hopefully our full back friend Ezekiel Elliott gets back on track. So like, I think, we have so many options out there offensively that if we were able to bring a solid corner like that in here, oh, I do it in a heartbeat. But like you said, Neui, he's gonna

one a new deal. And that's the reason I would say no, hold on, hold on Church, although I can't let you go with that one. All right, listen, you name Themari Cooper out there, and we all talk about to disappearing that you know, in him being in the game and not available as much as we hope that he is. You said Blake jarr was coming off of tour is a ACL right to a CL. He's coming off of tourn a CL. So we don't have it.

You're calling the running back and fullback. So when you start listening to weapons that we currently have, it would seem like they're a little shaky, and we've seen Michael Gallup go out there and change the entire dynamic of the game when Amari Cooper isn't really making plays, or when Ceedee Lamb was getting double team or not running

the correct ross. Michael Gallup has been consistent. Out of those three guys, out of our top three receivers, who who in your opinion, is the least valuable out of out of those three Church I'm gonna stop you right here and go back to about last week. Okay, go back when we spoke about last week. And this is not just looking at twenty two twenty one, it's looking past this. You saw the Cowboys did not restruct your Cooper's deal at all. They restructured Tyre Smith, they restructure

Zach Martin and Lell Collins. They left Cooper's deal alone. What do we know about Cooper's deal after this year the guarantees are gone. That it's basically a two year, forty million dollars deal. So you can get out of Cooper's contract for only six million dollars against the cap. So you take that savings, you put it towards Michael

Gallut and re up him and let Cooper go. So that's why I'm not trading Michael gallup because I'd like to figure out a way to find the Cowboys to keep him long term versus paying Amari Cooper another twenty million dollars in twenty twenty one. Because now that you've got Dak in here and you see where some of these other veterans are going, You're gonna have to find

some savings somewhere in your football team. So you basically have to look at it as you let Cooper go, and you can probably see if you can get Gallant for ten million dollars a year. That's my take, Church. So that's the thing on Cooper in Church. If we get if we get Um Gilmore, who are you taking at ten? Oh, I go d line in. I go d line in if if if we had Gilmore in there, we'd have Gilmore a Brown Jay Lou and then we got digs on other Yeah, I'm going d line, man,

I'm going d line for the show. And I'm still having I'm still I'm still having a hard time finding a top ten D lineman out there. Bingo, Bingo, You're not You're trading out at that point in time, you're trading, you're trading out. And look, you can still trade out now if if, if Bill Belichick is gonna spend all this money right now, and the Cam Newton deal is full of so many incentence it's basically three and a

half million dollars guaranteed right now. So that tells me that he's not sold on him and Cam Newton while back he's looking for a better option. So if the Patriots sitting here at fifteen and Bill BELTI, if you're gonna go in, go all the way in? Why not going up to ten and fifty Cowboys? I go from ten to fifteen, and now I got more options, a

lot more options. And then it's true if you wanted to look at taking a defensive lineman Danny, Now maybe some of those guys can fit in there, but most of all, do you want to bring in an unhappy Gilmore? If this guy's like, man, I want to be here on a one year deal, then what kind of attitude or you're getting? Is that what you want to deal with? You guys have been in the room. What is it like to get a player who's been a former Defensive Player of the Year who's been a Super Bowl winner,

who feels like he's underpaid. That's true. I just don't see Gilmore being that type of guy. Like I don't see him coming in here, you know, being that complainer. I mean, he's you never really hear about him, you know, being outspoken or anything like that. So I wouldn't you know, see him doing that, you know, being all kind of I'm on this one year deal. I ain't playing. But you never know. When money comes into things, you know,

people like to change, so if we never know. But I don't think the Cowboys will take that deal simply because if we do trade him that, he's gonna want a new deal and it's gonna cause problems. So it's a no overall, but I'd love to see it happen. Okay, all right, interesting, let's hit another break here when we come back. Um, let's dive into something church you put into in a group text. Here. One player on the team that needs to go, one player on the Cowboys

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United for details. All right, Church, I miss smoke one percent? My problem. I looked at the last word in the text the alert set in here it says one player or position that Boys still need to go after. So I think it was a player or position or players that needed to go now. So so I got it wrong. But I got three dudes that gotta go. Okay, players that need to go. Already brought you Olden Smith. Aldon Smith doesn't fit this scheme. Not a dan Quinn guy,

three to four player, Aldon Smith gotta go. Tyrone Crawford, thank you very much, but no injuries too much. Can I should have been going two years ago. Tyrone car has been going to The Cowboys are the kings of keeping dudes two years too long. Shan Lee. I love you, I love it, but Shan Lee cannot come back here. Okay. I ain't getting sixteen games out of Sean Lee. And people, Oh he's a leader. He sit now now you know what, somebody else got to lead. Somebody else got to sit

up here and do something. No, no more shan Lee. So those are three guys that the Cowboys need to go ahead and say goodbye to. I had a fourth guy that was a pun of Chris Jones, but thankfully they when they hit rolled him on his little low way, and he's good. Another guy that went on his way that I was cool with is Cheeto Woozia. And it's not a personal thing. I like Cheeto man, I liked I like the dude, but it just didn't work here

the way we thought it would work with him. And maybe he finds uh the Cincinnati scheme fits for him, and maybe he becomes a better player there. But the Cheeto thing was just a disappointment. So those guys, you know, two guys gone already. Three other dudes need to be joining. But those are five guys for me that the Cowboys need to go ahead and move on along and shake hands, you say thank you for your service. We wish you will.

Can you go back, Can you go back and touch on that Sean Lee reason for why he should be gone injuries. I mean, we're looking at injuries and and and I go back to this, the Cowboys specializing keeping guys about two years too long. In New England, they'd get rid of you a year too early. The Cowboys

keep you around a year too long. And this has been from the time when when when they had guys from the nineties where Jerry would just keep him, and then they had guys like Mark Colombo and flows, the all Adams guys at Doug Free guys that they kept two years too long that they needed to move on away from. They've got to stop holding on the guys. And Danny. One guy here that's gonna be really interesting is Tyrn Smith down the road here? How much longer?

I know you brought it up already, but I'm telling you, the way the Cowboys operating, especially the way they like to push these contracts and pushing money out, they end up keeping dudes too long. But Sean Lee has been injured for the last two seasons, last three actually the pretty much the bulk of his career. But when you've not been able to count on him the past three seasons,

and it's time to go ahead and move on. And one of the things that they kept harping on, and people say, hey, many Sean's a great leader, He's this, he's that, and Sean is a good dude, and this is a guy who I believe could be a very good coach one day. But at this point in time with Jalen Smith, and you already got Lake Vanderesh. Vanderesh has got issue staying on the field. You can't have to You can't bring back two dudes who got issue staying on the field. You need to move on from

shan Lee. Look, look, I'm here to say, man, I don't disagree with anything you said. I think you hit the nail on every free agent that you know that you said it needs to go. I mean, we've had the examples out there, we all know that. But I will say this, this this is where they got it right and where I think they got it wrong. I think they got it right when they got when they offered CJ, you know, his deal, and he took it. So shout

outs out to CJ. He was one of the best special teams not only on the Cowboys, but then in the whole entire football league. So I'm glad we were able to resign him and bring him back and kind of bolster our special teams unit. So I'm glad they did it like that. But where they got it wrong? Man, Why they have to do the goat like that? I'm talking about l all Right, this dude sixteen years been one of the most consistent long snappers in the game.

I don't even think he's ever had a box snap, So for me, no, I mean, I feel like he had at least a couple more left in him. A couple more and they went their own way. So hey, I think they did that wrong. But he shouts out to signing back CJ because he's one of the best special teams and why why do they do it? Though knew it because they didn't really save much money by

letting LP go Like that was really really confusing. I understand that coaches come in and they want to bring in their own guys, But when you got a guy who's been a model of consistency and perform for you at the highest level, I don't understand how you just want to bring in somebody else so badly and he's breaking the bank. Look, I'm all board with what you guys are saying. One I'm not happy the LP litis sewer,

who's always done his job efficiently is gone. But I'll go back to the press conference when Jerry Jones sat there and said we have a great head coach, a great coach, and I was over there in eyside of Jerry. I was shaking my head, and then he said, we got a fantastic special teams coach. He's all in on bones Fossil, So Fossils once again wants to bring in another one of his guys. Did they need Legatron? No, but that was what who Bones Fossil wanted and they

said fine. And now he's gonna bring in his long snapper. And the only thing I can say is this long snapper better be good because the first time he makes a mistake, we're gonna go out. I'm gonna be going out the Bones Fossil. I won't go after the long snapper. I'm gonna go after the special teams coach that wanted. You better be right for this whole thing, or you want your operation, then the operation better sing next year. Better be sweet, better be good, bet be better than that.

I know one thing. They just need to take a little bit of power off out of Fossil's hands when it comes to calling these fake punts and fake things. We've seen too many of those this this year and they were all negative. They were all just just bad options and head scratching decisions. So I hope we don't get into that. But like you said, man, I just long snapper. That's that's some big shoes to fill because LP, I mean he was a top, he was a top of the dogs man. Yeah, And then I want to

give a shout out to CJ. Man, congratulations on getting your deal sign And I hate to be a debut downer because I'm really really happy for the DoD But Cowboys, man, you just took too long. You should have locked this dude up ways sooner, show them how important he is to the organization, man, and send a message out there

that we are finally taking special teams serious. You cut one of the best special teams players in the league by a cutting LP and then you waited just a little bit too long and you risk CJ getting up out of here because you never know what could happen in free agency. So congratulations to them, But I think they should have just moved a little bit faster. And

that's just a special team's guy in me. I don't know in terms of moving faster, in terms of you know, just where they're looking at their priority list, in terms of you where they're trying to do something deal with the Woozi erge, I don't know. But it got done, and that's what I'm just looking at at the end. At the end, it got done and it was a multi year deal and said it was a one year deal, So I can't you can argue with the process. I'm just looking at the result and say, Okay, boom, the

baby was delivered. Might have been some complications for CJ, but hey, boom, babies delivered with good listen all right, and they released them last year. They released them last year and took a chance on them, took a chance of the last year. Then you wait, when you wait, you know, extra days to go ahead and lock the man down this year. I just didn't like the process that happened over the last two years. The dude has been once again a model of consistency and one of

the best players on your team. You just go ahead and take care of that man, especially after after the deal that he pretty much gave y'all last year by saying he was gonna sign back after you released him at the beginning of the season. Danny, I'm not arguing you about that. I'm just saying, Okay, it was some complications in the delivery, but it was delivered. Oh yeah, it got done. It got done. It got done so right, So you could have been smoother because they came out

of eighty day one, yes, but they didn't. I'm just happy it got done, and most of all, I was really happy to see when I saw it said two years. You know, all right, boom, good for you, CJ. That my fear was that they bringing back on a one year deal. So to me, I think they they've gone out here really said. He may not have liked it, but I think he liked it the end. You got some guaranteed money, you got a two year deal, and there's a commitment, a true first time commitment to him.

So I gotta go ahead and just say, hey, man, I'm good with it. You know I'm good with it. I know one thing, CJ. Man, if you're listening, don't don't big time us now. I mean you use on the show how that you got this deal, you got you got some money in your pockets. Man, don't big time US now we need your back on the show man. Listen. CJ is literally the first special teams player to get pace since Sam Herd because when they paid Jeff Heath,

they really signed a safety. CJ is going to be expected to just play special teams so ever since Sam Herd back and I think two thousand and eleven, two thousand and ten, CJ is the first dude to get paid for special teams, So shout out to you, man, you're changing the game out there. All right, Let's uh, let's chat about a couple of things we've seen in other places here. Why Washington signs Ryan Fitzpatrick to a one year, ten million dollar contract. They ink Taylor Heineke

in the offseason, they still have Josh Allen. Those are their three quarterbacks. Some people question whether or not Washington may try to move up or try to acquire a quarterback in the first round. Um several people on social media and several people in the media saying now that they believe Washington is the favorite in the division because they signed Ryan Fitzpatrick. Church you're feeling on that, is

Washington the favorite in the NFC East. No, I'm still I was saying Cowboys are the favorite, but I say Washington like they have the second best quarterbaback in the division behind that Prescot. But they for sure got the best defense. The way chase the quarterback, I mean, they got alais defense that will keep them in almost every single game. The only thing about Ryan is Patrick. We've seen this in the past, is will have a couple of games, two or three games where you're like, oh

my goodness, this guy is lightening it up. He's thrown for four hundred yards, five touchdowns. This guy's immaculate. But then he'll have a stretch of about eight or nine games where he's throwing three picks. He's throwing teams back into the game. So for me, I wouldn't say they're the favorite just because they signed Fitzpatrick. I do think it gives them an upgrade after that position from Taylor

Heineke and Haskins and Alex Smith. But I still have them second behind the Cowboys, but a close second because that hilaious defense and I think is gonna be a problem for years to come. And if they're able to have any semblance of an offense, consistent offense, this team is gonna be is gonna be trouble in the NFC East. But I still think the Cowboys got this. Pittsburgh, Now, Yeah,

asking is about it. Listen, Church, I listen. I gotta go against you on thistle Man, just based off what we saw last year, the moves we made so far in free agency, I just don't think that we've gotten that much better, just just on paper. And I think the only thing that Washington was missing last year was a quarterback like Ryan Fitzpatrick. They had a running game they had, they got the receivers, they got a tight end,

and they got the defense. And we know on any given day, Ryan Fitzpatrick can be a top five quarterback in the league. And then opposite of that, yes, he can't go out there and throw some passes that shouldn't be shouldn't be thrown. But I think this will be different for him because he has that running game to lean on, he has some receivers, and defense wins these games. Man. We saw what Tampa was able to do against Kansas City, and Washington has that type of defense, So I gotta

give him a little notch up on us. We will see how it goes after we make our moves in free agency, and I probably will hopefully be able to change that after like week one or two. But right now, Washington has it Ryan Fitzpatrick. And if anybody's ever had had him as their fantasy quarterback, you understand what it is. He may give you two weeks where he's top score, and then he's gonna give you three weeks where you're just like, oh my goodness, gracious, what's he gonna do?

And when you need it, the most throughout his career, he's not been able to deliver. I remember the one year he was he was with the New York Jets and he had an opportunity to get these guys into the playoffs and he just totally messed it up. Or either he was with Buffalo and it was against the Jets. It's one or the other, because Dennis Thurmer was talking about it because he was he was with both of

those clubs, but it was an issue. It was an issue, and it was just like, hey man, the guy just kind of turns into who you thought he was, and he's a good backup quarterback, but he's not that guy. You know. It's funny so many people like, hey, can Dak Prescott be that guy that takes you over the top. Brian Fitzpatrick's that guy who can. He's a good player and he helps you, but he won't get you over the top. And then it's a thirty eight year old,

we've seen enough about what to bring you. By the way, some breaking news, Pittsburgh is retaining wide receiver Juju Smith. So j Smith Schuster Juju Smith anyway, so he's going back. Stevens putting their money on the offense, and they need some defensive help, and they need some offensive line help. But hey, they're about the weapons and they're trying to have one last ride with Big Ben. So there you go.

There you go, Steve Juju Smith Schooster. I just I don't to me, Juju, it depends on what the price tag and what they signed him for. I didn't see that, but Juju, I mean we've seen ever since Ab left, he is he was supposed to take over. Is that number one, that BONA five receiver, that's supposed to be Big Ben's number one, And he just hasn't been able to do that. When defensive when defenses focused their coverage

on Juju Smith Smooster, he's been a no show. He has to have somebody else out there to tim to take the kind of take the line light away from him and have defenses focusing on him to where he can just get one on one coverage and then he'll be able to work. But they don't have that guy in the Steeler's locker room with him. I mean, they don't have another AB. They got some developing guys that you know in the future, like a Chase Claypool or

Dante Johnson. They can develop into something special. But right now, seeing Juju as your number one, I mean it's gonna be another one of those big Ben. Let me throw it five yards and hope these guys can run and we as we've seen in the playoffs, defense will choke down on Big Ben and they won't be able to go anywhere, especially without a run game. So that was ascrasher to me. I thought, I think for sure would

be letting Juju go. But what's crazy about? Geno Atkins has been released by the Cincinnati Bengals, thirty three years old, March twenty eighth. They drafted him in twenty ten. Eight time Pro Bowl selection, two time first team All Pro, named to the NFL's All Decade Team. It's got seventy five point five sacks, which ranks second in Bengals franchise history. They say nine point five million dollars by letting him go,

So there you go. Also with Reef, they released rightly Reef, so that's how they say nine point five meal with the Bengals. So anyway, another defensive tackle out there, Well, let me let me hit on Jujull just quickly. I don't believe that Juju is the number one receiver on the Stealers right now. I think that uh Deontay Johnson, it has more potential than Juju does. And Claypool is

an emerging receiver as well. So I would like to see the price sag and see if they paid him like a number one receiver in the NFL, because I see those other two guys are passing him in this season or the next and goodness you know, oh okay, okay, all right, so they didn't commit that much to him. Yeah, one year deal, got okay, Yeah, that sounds right. And this Geno Atkins Church do it? You're going to get him?

Hell yeah, depending on that price. Gino. I mean, if he's healthy, Gino is still in my mind he can still be a definitely a bona fide starter, and I wouldn't call him a difference maker, but he would be a lot better than what we have in there right now. And that for sure. I go after him, oh without a doubt than So, yeah, I would go after him

for sure, d MAC, I would. Um. It's by the way, Justin Simmons signed four years, sixty one million dollars thirty five Steed money to go back to Denver, so there's a safety off the market. So also Justin Simmons is Dak Prescott. They had Brad Dak Prescott. They both are represented by Todd Franz. So he'll become the NFL's highest paid safety in the first safety in the NFL to fifteen million dollars a year. So Todd France revenge tour. This, uh, this is pretty good. So and he also got Bud

dupre paid in Tennessee and he tore his ACL. So Todd Franz played the waiting game. Didn't get those three guys franch I didn't get him long term contracts last year when all three were franchise, gets them all long term contracts a year later. So congratulations, Todd Franz. I was wrong. I apologize, Okay, okay, okay, listen, New Nui tell me this. Who is Trent Williams agent? All right?

Because if you're talking about making boss moves, my man told Washington, I am not playing for y'all normal, and y'all gonna have to trade me after they had already paid him. They trade him. Then he goes and gets paid. And did you see the paid in this? In it? He got paid one cent more than the guy from from Green Bay, I believe, just so to make him

the highest paid guy about. And add when when they made the trade, he made San Francisco put in there that they wouldn't franchise Tach so he got himself a nice deal in San Francisco decided that they wanted to go there. Um, guys, look at what we're starting to see here. They're going to be able to go to TJ Max and get this player, to get some players. Okay, I'm just saying, just wait a little bit, Wait a

little bit, they're gonna be okay, you don't. You're not gonna have to go You're not gonna have to go to Northstrom and get it. Baby. They're gonna be able to get some good telling you man, I've been shopping at teach Max for a long time. You can find good deals. Just gotta be there on the right day and know when the ship comes in. If you know when the shipment comes in thirst days, you're gonna be

all right. I'm not I'm not participating when you. I'm not participating when you or church in this North TJ Max, the church over there talking about people dollar general deals because when I said, by mistake and apologize, y'all ran me through the mud for the entire season. Now I knew y' over here and talking about TJ Max. Where they got the stuff not even organized on the racks, you know what I say. He talking about this in

church of it, talking about Dollar General. They got the old stings in the in the in the dryway, you know. So I'm I'm gonna drag y'all for the rest of the season on listening because y'all didn't let up on me. You were saying, and can remember what he said, Church, He said, Anthony Brown didn't get no real money, okay, didn't get a real contract. Yeah yeah, a real yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. The way he said, I should have said, I should have said I should have

said I said. I should have said dollar General. I should have said, he's a Dollar General guy. That's what I should have said. If I want, if I wanted to be politically correct, like my man, Barry Church. He didn't come like that, man like that, you would have denigrated in my man. My man said dollar Jennial. My man said dollar Jual. You have been talking about TJ Max and talking no nobody even go to t J

Max talk about the shipment. Come in on Thursday. Me and American Yo, okay, me and americuld go okay, I'm there too. I'm there too. New Let me ask, with the defense, with the defense constructed as it is right now, do we think that can take this team to the playoffs with the deepest construction as it is right now? You can't? Right now? Church has not done. Okay, they're not. We don't know that. I say yes anyways, no, no, anyway, not answering the question. Not answering the question. I'm saying

yea Church. I'm saying yes. You saying he could take this this team as the defense is constructed right now, he could take them to the church. Church. What was the record of the team then went to the playoffs side of the NFC each last season? Yeah, it was something to nine. They were all right, So you don't You don't have to be that great if you're basically what you see previously. So I believe that Dak has enough to at least get us to eight and eight.

I believe that, and we can beat Washington, you know, the final game of the season. I think I think we can. Listen, I think Ryan Fitzpatrick has one of those bad days and then we beat them. The Church Church. I'm not participating in this one. I'm not because it's there's so much left, Okay, there's soul is a second week Fridzy, I have the draft. There's a lot of things to still take place here. Hey, we are out of time. As always, it's always this was fun. Danny

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