Player’s Lounge: A Team In Disarray?

We can go one hour. I'm good. You know. I don't get it. I don't get any overtime, but still I can go one hour today. This our last show of the week, right, Yes it is, Yes it is. And I just want to be like Jesse Holly. Jesse Holly is a morning guy you're seeing post on Twitter all the time. I see him on Twitter every morning waving his T shirts. Listen as the youngest. As the youngest person on this podcast, I should not be the one who are who is the happiest about seeing the

next day. I'm the youngest one here. I'm just saying a lot. You ever seen you and knew you guys. You know what I'm saying. We should be a card. We should be we should be all excited about seeing the next day. I should not be the excited person about seeing. If I was doing some of that stuff that you did, I'd be tired right now. I'd be taking it now if I was that excited every morning, Mercy, I am a morning person. Jesse. Is interesting you say that.

And here we are on Veteran's Day, and and we salute all of our veterans out there, specially my father who served in the army. I was. I was born in Germany. And here's where my my distain, you could say,

for getting up in the morning was. Look, when we lived on base, you could hear the soldiers running in the morning, and and my dad obviously had to get up and do the pt and and there was one commercial that they used to air when I was a kid, when they were promoting the army, and they said, we do more things before before nine am than most people do all days, right, And I used to say to myself, yeah, my goal was not to get up before nine ams.

That was my goal. Once I got out of my dad's house, man, it's like, uh, I didn't take any classes in college before nine ams. I was to men, I was gonna do anything. I was trying to. Nine thirty was by the Earl Sun tried to get a class nine thirty ten o'clock. So we have no we had no choice, right two of days, three of days, you know, morning till night. So as much as I could make that bow to myself, I couldn't uphold it.

If you recalled Eddie Robinson's going through the at Gramming State, Eddie Robinson's going through the hallway clinging a cow bell for you to get up for breakfast. So now I was not my life wasn't my own, Okay, So I would love to say that, But I do want to say I have a brother in law who served. Also his son, my nephew was in the Air Force for years. So yeah, definitely happy happy Veteran's Day to these guys and anyone else with families that served in the military

and are still serving. I want to thank you so much for your absolutely now absolutely thank you so much. Yes, indeed, we definitely have a massive amount of respect for those who made the ultimate sacrifice and those who continue to sign up for the military and go out there and represent the United States of American, protect our freedoms and allow us to be able to do this sholt right here that we do. So it's as a guy who's born on a military base. My parents still live in Fayeville,

North Carolina, which is where Fort Bragge is. Fort Bragge is in our backyard. So I am one of those that has a special affinity for our soldiers. All right. So to Jesse, this was something that I hit you and Everson up on earlier today. And Jack Taylor wrote

a column in the Dallas Morning News. Jacque longtime columnist for let's say, a long time beat writer, and Jack also works with me on NBC five, and he wrote a column today and he said that the Cowboys are in disarray and it's up to Steven Jones and Jerry Jones to recognize what's going on. And I bring up a couple of points. It was made here. He says, one year ago today, Dallas lost in Minnesota twenty and twenty four. Since then, Dallas is five and eleven after

started twenty nineteen three. You know the Cowboys have lost fifteen of twenty two games. So start with you, Jesse, and then going over to you, Everson Walls or the Cowboys in disarray in your opinion, Yes, and they've been that way for about twenty five years, do we And no? They no, seriously that they have been this, this Cowboys team and nobody, and we spoke briefluently yesterday. Nobody sells hope better than the Jones family. They can sell you hope.

They can sell water to a well, they can listen, they can sell underwears to strippers. They can get it done. And so they they should do like masterclasses and selling hope to people because year in a year out they find small little things to get these fans and people excited about the Cowboys season. And yet none of it has produced anything long standing or that you know, no deep playoff runs and no NFC East Championship games, no

Super Bowl appearances. And yet still that is still most recognizable franchise and their most expensive franchise in all of sports. But when you look at where we are today, and we say it every single year, while on paper, this roster looks to be tremendous. On paper, this roster can go a long way. On paper, we can really do something in the NFC East and in the NFL as a whole. But year in and year out it goes from but on paper too, we come up short again.

And this I think people are starting and maybe it's just a culture thing because I think the whole entire world is just kind of so much stuff that's been happening, and just over time, people are kind of getting tired of hearing that same old sell us hope, sell us a dream, tell us it's going to be okay, the roses, the flowers in the meadows and all that kind of stuff. No, no,

we want to see production now, not now. We want to see things really come into play and it be something that we can truly chair about, deep into the playoffs and possibly a Super Bowl. Ever. Yeah, he's right, that's what we talked about yesterday. Jesse's correct. And here's the dilemma that you have. You're looking at there's some two different lenses. I mean, we as as as the public, as fans and former players. Jesse, we know what it's

all about. We understand that things can look great on paper, and if you don't have the coaching staff for the game plan to put it together, I don't care what kind of players you have, you're gonna fail. We canna look at the La Clippers and take a look at that ball club, and it's in pretty much dictating what

a talented team can look like with no direction. Either you have to have it from leadership on the field, or you have to have it from the locker room itself, meaning the coaches or upper management, from from you know, the owners and the staff that creates a culture. And the dilemma that you have is you're looking at an owner who is the most successful sports franchise owner in history. So when he explains what's going on to the public,

he can't help but be rosy. Right. It's always rosy for him, regardless of how many games they lose, regardless of the pandemic. Yes, I know he lost a lot of money with the Star and all of the ancillary income that goes with having the Star, all the real estate deals. That's a whole nother story. I took business in school, so I know exactly how much money he's losing in that regard. But when it comes to the pride of the Dallas Cowboys, he has nothing to hang

his head about, and he never will. He can be upset that the players all at once. But when it's all said and done, it's hard. If I'm Jerry Jones, I'm gonna be upset about the players, and I'm gonna say I still have, as Jesse said, the most expensive, most popular, highest rated sports franchise in the world. So when you start looking at who's gonna be disappointed and what where is my priority as an owner? Yes, he wants to win, you you don't even don't even try

to doubt the fact that he wants to win. But how can you go about running a team that you think is going to be successful just the way you ran the business that is uber successful. There's a difference between running a football team and running a business. When you run a football team, you got so many egos involved, You've got just so many personalities that you have to deal with up and down the line. It's different from business. You've got players. Go ahead, Jesse, I'd like to do

step here on that. I just I just I want to challenge one point of yours. And the point I want to challenge of yours is do we really know if Jerry wants to win? And I say that only because this year, or just do after twenty five years that you were talking about, I'm going to talk about we can use the last twenty five years, okay. And the only reason I challenge you on that is because when you see a pattern as a business person that is it conducive to you having success, what do you do?

You change it and you put it in a situation where you're now being successful. What are the most common things that has been in the last twenty five years of this team not having success? Players are involved, coaches, yes, are involved, but him sitting in that general manager seat. Some will say that is a large part of the reason why this team isn't being constructed and put together the proper way to go out there and to win

games on football. And so if you were caring about winning and that was the ultimate care of yours, is it not enough for you to remove yourself from a situation at least try it? At least try it to remove yourself from a situation, allow someone else to come in and to sit in that role and have that role and see if that then can produce success for

your business. That is the one thing that I would challenge you on that that he has tried that, and I think this year is kind of indicative or maybe even in the past few years where he's kind of Steven step up. I think that's his idea of you know, handing the baton off so to speak to someone else. Of course, he still wants to be the figurehead uh when he when he became GM, He'll tell you at every single turn, yes, Will McClay has to say so, Yes,

Stephen Jones has to say so oh. But oh but at the end of the day, it all runs through me. I'm the last signature on everything that goes in and out this door. I'm the last Jesse that's that. That is probably uh maybe uh misguided leadership on his part, But when it comes to intent, his intent is to win, his his his his idea of himself. I'm sure as GM is I am Jerry Jones. I built my business, I built this team. Uh. Even when I let Jimmy Johnson go, I still want a Super Bowl. I have

been able to run this team. Even while we're losing, we're still uh winning so to speak. Even while we're losing as a team, we're winning as a franchise. His being a GM has nothing to do with UM wanting to win as much as competence. You understand, he wants to win, he just doesn't know how to do it necessarily as GM. It's something that over these years or decades or how long he's been GM, he hadn't been able to figure it out. That's his uh that's what's

sticking in his call right now. So he has no choice but to kind of, you know, let the reins go and give it to Stephen. But once again, once that ego steps in, Jesse, and and and uh knew it. Once that ego steps in, he's got to realize that that's gonna be that. That is the main problem with the Dallas Cowboys. His go running the team or a competent GM running the team. He wants to win, he just doesn't know how to do it consistently as a GM. I agree, all right, let's let's take a break here.

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Everson Walls join me. That Jesse, you spoke about that Jerry doesn't want to win, and I will tell you unequivocally, Jerry Jones wants to win. Okay. I got to start covering this team back when they had won their first Super Bowl. So as after their first Super Bowl win, I got to start covering this team. Jerry wants to win. Jerry Jones and I talked about it yesterday. Is very

much like George Steinbrenner. George Steinbrenner never changed the way he went about running the New York Yankees when they won the World Series is seventy seven and seventy eight, and then after that they didn't win anything until the nineties, and when the Yankees got good again. It was actually when Gene Michael took over the franchise because George Steinbrenner had got suspended by Major League Baseball. But George was always the guy who was out there writing the largest

checks and going about things in free agency. Once Jimmy Johnson left, so many people like Randy Galloway, who who ever seen you know very well a longtime columnist M. Brote used to have a radio show together. Yes, Randy was one of the main people saying Jerry, Jimmy built this, This was all Jimmy and that bug Jerry and bugs into this day that that it was all. And He's like, no, I was there with Jimmy. I hired Jimmy. Um, he wants his credit. Okay, there's no time. He wants his

credit and hollidays. And when I was a long time, when I was doing the radio show, he would tell you can't question my bil might want to win. He's like, look at them, look at the kind of contracts I've signed here, look at what I've done, look at what I put into my franchise. I mean, Jerry Jones is in the Hall of Fame because he went out there taught other NFL owners how to make money. But Jerry's

always been the guy who's been willing to pay. Agents will tell you how much they loved Jerry Jones because he's always willing to pay. So he wants to win. The issue Jesse with Jerry is truly this his ego of wanting to win and wanting to make sure he gets all the credit. His mentor when he got in the National Football League is Al Davis. Until Al Davis died. Al Davis ran the Raiders his own way. Other people tried,

Ali should do this, you do that? Know Al did it his way and Jerry's gonna do it his way now. Along the way, he has made some concessions. Johnny Manzel is one of the biggest concessions things that I've ever seen come out of Jerry Jones, because I was sure they were gonna draft that kid out of Texas A. Jerry absolutely loved Johnny Manzel. And I remember when they had the Cotton Bowl game between Texas A and m and Oklahoma at Jerry World Man they were selling they

were selling upper level seats for five hundred bucks. That's how much people wanted to go see Johnny football. And there it is right there for him, the ability to take Johnny football. And it's Steven Jones and Will McClay who were right there saying, no, that's not the guy we need to take. Zach Martin and so they take Zach Martin and even as we get to training care at Oxnard, California, Jerry's still moaning and grown and about how they didn't take the risk it should have taken.

Johnny Johnny football, I mean, but that's him. So he's changed a little bit. But Jesse, he does want to win. Will his ego allow him to step back? He'll tell you no, he says. If I hire general manager, they still got to come through me. He says, I own. He told me going town he owned was like seventy businesses. He says, I make decisions on every single wat them. So this is just how he operates, Jesse. But he does want to win, but he wants to win his way. Yeah,

he wants to win his way at his costs. And I think sometimes that can be a detriment to the team. I think questioning do he does he want to win? And again, when you have one hundred foot yacht and you have planes and helicopter and twenty four carrot gold silverware and you're already Hall of Fame Jesse, so you know you're in the home. I mean, you're winning, You're

already winning. So I get it, you know, I get, you know, from a from a standpoint where I'm looking from, I just I just think about let's say, you know, if there's anything, because I think this is his baby, right, the Cowboys is his baby. He has a two billion dollar energy company, he has billion dollar real estate, and he has oil and gag. I mean, he has tightened type stuff that he owns and the cash flow is always coming. But this, this is his baby. This is

his pride and joy. Of all of his jewels, this is the one that sits at the top. This is the one that takes his hardness. It's like, it's like your baby girl. You can have all these kids, but you got that baby girl that's the apple of your eye and you want everything in the world to work

and go in her favor. But sometimes, as you know, you you can cripple her as a as a dad because you spoiler and you and you coddle her and you you kind of wrap this this thing around her and exposure to the world, and then when you're gone and she's like, oh my god. But that's the thing with Jerry. This is his baby and he was so

close to it. I think it's something I wish that he would see it to the point where, you know what, let me just be an owner, because he still want to get the credit like you're still not gonna be He's not gonna be about Kraft. He will never be Bob Kraft. Bob Kraft wanted to be like Jerry Jones when he first got involved in New England Patriots, who was dealing with parcels. He got smacked around and figured out, I don't want to deal I don't want to deal

with the media. I don't want to be that guy. And he let Belichick run it. But that's not ever gonna be Jerry Jones. Okay. And see that's the difference, Nui. You start talking about he's no Bob Kraft, then you're talking about he's buddies with Steinbrenner. That's his mentor, Steinbrenner. As much as he and Billy Martin did not get along, they cursed each other out almost every day in up

like in private, didn't really matter. But when it was all said and done for a long time, Billy Martin was sitting right there in that dugout, winning championships, winning the World Series. He won the difference three times. He gets into it with Jimmy. He lets his ego take over, and you know I'm being uh, I'm wrapping it up in a in a messy little little not here but over not accepting a drink, you know what I mean? That was? You know, that's like a trigger. These kind

of things you do not let interrupt a dynasty. Billy Martin was left alone because Steinbrenner realized that Billy Martin was helping him create a dynasty Bob Craft. He fired Billy Martin, but Billy Martin was hired to fight. He finally fired Billy Martin after how long it took him a while? It took him a while to fire Billy Martin. Yeah, many world series before he finally did that. If I'm not mistaken, No, Billy only times too fast. You know how many did Billy Martin win? You might know that

new and I can't hardly hear you. He was only one one for Joe Stember, one, only one one nineteen Billy Martin, only one one World series for for George Steinbrenner. For George Steinbrenner. I stand corrected. I stand corrected, because they argued all the time, and even though he finally fired them, they argued for a long time, they were they never got a law from the minute he hired him. I'm mistaken in the Womber World Series, but I know

that he kept him around for a minute. And what it did was it allowed him to run the locker room. It allowed him to run the dugout. So you have to eventually go ahead. So one reason why Billy Bartin got fired by George Steinburner despite them winning the Pennant in seventy six and seventy seven and they ended up finally winning the World Series seventy seven, he couldn't get over Reggie Jackson. He absolutely hated Reggie Jackson. And so

Startifinnter chose Reggie over Billy Martin. Dude, when I tell you, George Stunbinner and Jerry are the same, dude, That's why they're friends and the same guys. And he brought Billy back twice and didn't win anything with Billy. Let me come at from this angle. Let me come back from this angle. You okay, you fire your guy, but then when you start talenting players that you think are gonna be players, and you think you can analyze talent build

than anyone else on the Cowboys squad. You know, that's how you end up almost signing Johnny Manziel. You know you want the glitz and glamour. Bob Kraft all he wanted was Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck. And so if you want to be like someone, let me graduate from Billy Martin and Steinbrenner to Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick. To me, that's what you do. If you get a coach like that. Well, I'm not saying we have that coach unless you go back to Jimmy Johnson. You let

him run it. You let him run it, You let him run it the way he sees fit. You know, man, Jimmy probably still would have been coach around here. He still looked at the TV. But he guy's hair combed all nice. He wears the best clothes you ever seen. He's the best dress guy on TV. And this is coming from a guy who's not even a Jimmy Johnson fan. But you guy, give him some love. This guy probably

still would have been around here. He still would have been scaring the hell out of everybody if he could and make but they would have gotten wins and they would have gotten results. Look, Jimmy never stayed anywhere longer than four years. That's just been how Jimmy was from Oaklhoma. I bet Jimmy would have stayed here, But I'll bet you Jimmy would have stayed here. Jimmy didn't want to go to Miami. He only went there because he was

on his way to retirement. But this is also and I look at this between Jerry and Jimmy, having been there and been around for that to when I covered Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant. Sometimes this stuff happens in sports that you have. You've got people who are winning, and you say, how come you can't get along? And how come you can't make it work? Um, you know, Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovitch made it work. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick made it work. Shack and Kobe could

only make it go so far. And that was the same thing with Jimmy and Jerry. They can only take it so far because guys had their egos here. And I don't think Jimmy could have lasted much longer with Jerry, just as Shaquille and Kobe could not have run any longer because Kobe told Jerry bust. I will not play with that fat mother blanker anymore. And that was one reason why they why they got traded. Okay, I was there for it. I don't think comparing people to Kobe though,

this kind of tough. Comparing people to Kobe. After you got rid of Shag, that's that was like better than Jodansque. Well well into the rule now until they got Pole Gasol. All right, Kobe was sitting up here as a seven seed and they were struggling, and Kobe asked to be traded and almost went to the Chicago Bulls. So this whole thing, Hey, Kobe did all this. What I shot, Kobe hadn't won a ring without a big man, because you needed it with the way he played, he needed

somebody in there in the center. And God rest Kobe's soul. He didn't need much. He did not much, but you still needed that piece. He needed that piece. It was essential. And once somehow Jerry West gifted Power Gasol from Memphis to them, then then Phil Jackson and company got to go back to work in it and winning championships again. But Eagles are a part of this. It's a part of sports, it's a part of business. It's a part of that Hollywood scene that I was working out there.

This is it and we've seen how good tandems can break apart. Look at the Beatles. I'm sitting around right now reading the John Lennond biography, and how do you break up something as good as the Beatles? It gets broken up. This is life, you know, This is life. And Jerry's in this, in this sitting in the in the seat of hey it. So I get to do what I want because owners don't get fired. But at the same time, I look at so you have you have to look at one thing. Uh knew it. They

continue to win. Steinbrenner continued to win, Okay, the Beatles as much as they weren't the Beatles anymore. Those guys went solo. They continued to program, They continue to sell records. They continue to have gold and platinum records. Cowboys aren't doing that. We haven't done that. We talked about Steinbrenner and once again I was mistaken, and thank you for that correction. But they were going to the Pennant racist they were winning Pennant races. At least they were winning

Pennant races. Jesse talked about going deep into the playoffs. At least Billy Martin was going deep into the playoffs. So now and then they still continued after he got rid of Billy Martin. That's where the differences all stopped. Now have not been successful on the field since these moves have been made, Okay, now, ever said, I want to make sure you understand this too. Now, So after they fired Billy Martin, they won the World Championship in

nineteen seventy eight. Then they went back to the World Series in nineteen eighty one, and then he's after Reggie. He decided to sign Dave Winfield. And from that time, from the eighties until nineteen ninety six, they didn't get back to the World Series. And the reason they got back to the World Series was because George when he was suspended from baseball, Gene Michael restocked the farm system.

So that was where they developed Derek Jeter. Those these are the guys that Jesse knows, Derek Jeter, Bernie Willis. This makes my point. If you're using this particular team with this particular owner, I think it makes my point.

It took something catastrophic as the owner slash GM to be suspended and could not control things for someone to come in to rebuild, who had a baseball mind, who had who was in touch of what was happening today with the players and the systems and the things that were working for them to come in, restock the farm system, maybe not play pay all these outrageous salaries, get that built back up, get a team who had chemistry, who played off one another, who things were evolving to get

that that cohesiveness, and then you started seeing the winning again. So that that kind of comes back to my point is sometimes you have to take a step back. Now, whether it's voluntary or involuntary, sometimes that that that that might be good. But here's the thing, Jesse, that's not gonna happen. There's not gonna be Jerry's got the NFL commissioner. Jerry has more juice than the NFL commissioner. So that ain't happening. So this is what it is. It is

what it is. Let's take another break here, that's we're having some fun. Ever since, I want you to decide a little debate that Jesse and I have been having here on Twitter. You're yes, when but I knew this was coming. I don't. Oh, you're not getting away. I can't wear you not? Can't we getting away? All right? We'll do this skill the bay here We'll have ever since, sell it force at the break. Players ads bots A by Hotels dot com a Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio

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com Slash at home all right. NUIs Scrugs here, longtime Cowboys reporter, joined by two former Dallas Cowboys, Everson Walls and Jesse Hog. Now Everson, Jesse and I have had this debate going on here for a while about ribs. I do my ribs on about Bridge ribs, so I would like to throw mine on my big green egg

and I like to smoke my ribs. Jesse, being the the Tristate area guy, the Northerner, likes to do his ribs and a crock pot is that is that is that that's typical of guys that can't go outside too much. It's always cold up there exactly. But but Jesse lives here in Texas. Now, Jesse's been in Texas for a long time. You play with Carolina when he's at school. So yeah, right, you use the North Castle. You've been

in two major barbecue spots. And I said, you played with Brady James and and I'll tell you what that brother can smoke. Okay, Brady James, Oh yes, yes, you ever want to eat called Brady? Say Brady, what are you making? Because dog team can throw it down? And I'm trying to get Jesse out these croc pot ribs. I'm trying to get Jesse on the frield. So here, So here's the thing you got. You got New and his Jerry Jones and what mindset? Right? He's stuck in his ways? New he is he has knwi is the

Jerry Jones of barbecue. You certain things have to be done a certain ways. So he oversails. He oversails, Yeah, everything has to be done this way, and if it's not done this way, it's in no way. And my thing is is that I make just as good as tender as fall out the bone, as juicy other ribs in my eight hour crock pot. Then he does smoking his ribs in his in his big green egg and so I'm like they can stick there. They're they're both very good. I've had. I've had both, all right, I've had.

I haven't made the one on the green Egg. And partly because my background doesn't lend to being on a grill or a green egg or anything like that. Outside. You know, we were oven croc pot indoor type of people growing up in the North And then when I went to college, come on at twenty something years old, well, nobody trying to barbecue nothing. I was tasting tailing then playing football and basketball. You know, if I was trying, if I was trying to cook something, it trusts me,

it wasn't a rib it was. It might have been a die. It might have been a sigh too, but it wasn't. In college, So even my time in North Carolina, I wasn't focused on how to get on how to get on the grill. But you know, and I noticed this and when I've come to Texas, and in Texas it's always, you know, the guys are always saying, oh, you ain't never had ribs till you had ri You ain't never had this until you had my this, And that is like a Texas culture thing. Everybody has to

have the best of the best. And I'm just saying I do a pretty damn good job with these ribs in the crock pot. And I'm willing to put my croc pot ribs up against Newise Green, Big Green egg Ribs, Green Eggs and Ham. Huh. Now that I think, Jesse, when you when you said yeah, am I like Jerry? Yes, make sure you also put in there Jerry Hall of Famer. So I got gold jacket from ribs and I got bo Okay. So when I come up in here, I'm coming up in here with credentials, Okay, coming up in

here havn't done some stuff. I ain't coming in here like Dan Snyder, Okay, with nothing. I'm coming to here like Jerry loaded up. Okay, So just make sure we got that part of it right. Una, fly in the coptrow. You're gonna go the plane or you're gonna have the boat pull up to the arbor. How you coming in I'm gonna put on the yacht, coming serving on the yacht. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey,

I don't know brothers. I know brothers that have driven from Louisiana with the grill on wheels, Okay, So I mean I'm talking big time stuff here. Uh, That's what I've been around, That's what I've grown up. You know when you talk about you know, I know, knew what you said. You're from from Carolina, but then you also got some California in your with the USC background, and USC really California just put full of brothers from the South that was trying to get away and they just

ended up planting their flags there. So you're really just a Southern dude your whole time being here. When I think about people cooking in a croc pot, I think about my wife. I'm sorry, Jesse, That's what I think about. Man. That's the only person I know that puts ribs in a croc pod. That's just me. She's not other stuff to do. You know, she's a very energizing young lady. She puts that in the croc pod. She handles her business.

She's a you know, millennial wife or whatever, millennial mother, whatever you want to call him, even though she's over sixty years old. So I have to disagree with your brother. But when I when I made you come and eat, dude, you coming. Whatever is in that crock pot, is it a satisfying meal that brings you to the table to eat. You say, satisfying. That is such a low bar. You

understand when I'm talking ribs. If I cook my ribs on the grill and she's in here on the crock pot with her apron or by the way, do you well women's apron when you do the crock potle? Oh, so you're going, I'm just I'm just asking. I'm just as you know, when you're in the kitchen, you gott

wearing apron. You know, That's all I'm saying. So I'm always outside on the grill, whether men are okay, And so you know I love fall off the bone ribs, but anybody knows a good rib You want to be attached to that bone just a little bit, and you can just bite that joke off. You know, if it's falling off the bone, you know you're stuffing yourself, you don't. You know, it's it's a little bit too messy. You wanted to be firm. You wanted to be firm. You

wanted to be seasoned just right. You want to have a little chalcold taste to it. You want to have that fire to it. Crock pot, come on. Man, that's too that's too I see you, I see the two. That's too sanitized. I see the two old guys, and it's too sanitized. Man. You go if you invite me over to your house and you got ribs, I'm gonna touch them first and see what it looks like if they if I can tell crock pot from grill, and

I'm telling you, I would not be there. I would if I sit down to crock pop ribs, I'm going somewhere else. Man, I'm sorry. You know what I would do. I would make this. I'm gonna make sure the door knob don't hit you with a did little and I would eat them by. I never set you guys checked up on it. No, man, you can't have crock pop ribs telling you when you can't crock Pope ribs. Man, you just can. I don't care. Even if it's knowing outside and Texas you can go to Northern California might

be starting. We're gonna still be on that grill man, outside and then once once they done, you put them on a trade. You put them in the oven of broil. That's how you get your You know, you get your You can see that that's that's what you call counterfeit. That's what you called counterfeit. Broy did you say did you say broil? Yes? See what I'm saying, he's putting it in the other That's what happens when you mess up on the grill, you put your stuff in the oven.

Later you give it that chart. Man, I'm telling you the charge. The grill gives it the chart. That's all you need. Who? Yeah, who am I talking to you? You're am I talking to you? MANE talking to him? Who you know? For you or something? Man, I don't know who I'm talking to you? Man? Who who we boy? Now? So my page just got me with that one. He said, put it in the put in the oven. I don't know what that Well, what just happened here? We just

must have changed conversations. I don't know what you saw. So so my folks, my folks are from Burning and Alabama. So so my dad always grilled. And then when we and he was stationed the military, so we lived in North Carolina, we lived in Texas, and we lived in Georgia. So you know, I've just been used to the grill. And then once I joined a Megan side fire it became like a big thing too. It's like the frat

got together. So you know, so you was around a bunch of guys dog teams, who are here smoking these these ribs and so, yeah, Jesse, no, the crock Potlin something I never until you said it, I had never heard of it. I never heard of it. I never heard anything like that, man. And you know, and the only time I lived up north, the only time I lived up north was in Cleveland. And I didn't even

try and mess with nobody's barbecue in Cleveland. And I'm gonna be all so, i didn't eat any barbecue in Cleveland. I'd eat no Mexican food. I was like, no, no, you don't want barbecue from Cleveland. Hell no, right, you definitely don't want to barbecue from Cleveland, not even from the state of Ohio. Period. Yeah right, So, so no Mexican food and no barbecue in Cleveland. I just know, no Mexican righty, Ohio. They don't even have good I

mean it was. I stayed up in Cleveland for two winners, and when the Browns left, so did I. But I'll tell you that I lost I lost weight living in my favorite the Bengals for one year. So oh, you know how it is. We all we all feel each other's pain. I like that now, Jesse. I will say this. I went to the Montgomery in and Cincinnati and had their ribs, and they've got an amazing barbecue sauce there that I absolutely used to go to. Krogram Boys called

Montgomery In there barbecue saucer. The next time, I'll tell you this, I'll give you this tip. Next time you do your croc pop ribs, get you to Montgomery and barbecue sauce. You can get it from Kroger because it's out of Cincinnati and it is dang good. It's so good you will dip your French fries in this barbecue sauce. So there you go. It's a free tip for your right. Let let me let me clarify something here. I don't even need barbecue sauce on my ribs. Okay, let's just

we don't even have barbecue sauce in the house. No, that's that's your that's how sucking and my stuff is. Man, you don't even like Q. I would have to take my own sauce, find something worthy of my ribs. I have to make my own suck all the many Texas everyone thinks they're the next best rib maker ever. Everyone thinks that here in Texas. Oh no, you ain't had rid. You have my rigime, have my sauce, sauce. I don't

need no salt. What you need salt? So these rims, this is this is the culture of people who who have planted their roots in Texas. I've never seen anybody lining up a bunch of crock pots and see who had the best ribs. So come on, man, you old school guys. Man, you old school you, old school Listen. You don't have to reinvent the you don't have to reinvent the wheel. I'll just putting rims on it, that's all. I'm just putting rims on it. Man, I'm dying. I'm dying.

Jesse broiling ribs and putting that's that's something that I don't even know what he's talking about. Now, that's like fun language to me. I just gonna buy some cho man, that's all you gotta do. I'm gonna let you serve them crack. I'm gonna let you make them crack pot ribs and serve them. Chris Bean, Chris Bean could be the tasty. They'll be ready by this time tomorrow, and I'll go a bunch accomplished, not having a ten outside that hot grill all day. Oh all right, that is

that's our show for the day. We're gonna end it with laughter. Will end it on a hot Jesse. Um, so fun for you to come on this show for the last two days, Everson, same thing man, you guys here, Uh yeah, we always It was fun for us to have the kind of conversations that we always have with each other, and it was fun to bring it on their here Dallas Cowboys dot com. Now we might be fired on Monday because very here will tell you about it.

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