Player's Lounge: A Setback For McCarthy?

place April twenty third, twenty four to twenty fifth. I am Newe Scrugs, your co host here of the Players Lounge, along with former Dallas Cowboys players Buried Church and Danny McCray. McCray, how you doing. I'd noticed you have on a specific T shirt Morey reason. Yes, yeah, man, I'm I'm doing

an excellent man. The All Decade team came out today and we had two players on that list, and it could have been three, but we'd get into that a little bit later, because Patrick Peterson was definitely one of the best point returns of twenty of a decade. That church, how we do it today? Man? We do a church. We're doing good, and then I got an empty household right now. So it's real quiet and nice and calm in here. So let's go to work, fellas, how do

you sleep in church with a newborn? I'm clipping terrible. She's trying every hour and a half, every two hours. But I'm trying to make it work, man, trying to

make it work. All right, fellas, Let's dive into a topic that I think we've kind of forgotten about because of everything with COVID nineteen shutting things down, but the fact that the Cowboys are supposed to be able to start that off season program a little bit earlier than other teams because of having Mike McCarthy a new coaching staff, and right now the facilities closed the Cowboys facility to

start all across the NFL. So you guys are former players here, how much do you think this is a setback for Mike McCarthy and also the players of not being able to get this offseason program start. I think it's a huge setback, especially for this offense and defensive side of the balls. I mean, you're implementing a totally

new game plan on both sides of the ball. You got your quarterback there who's having contract negotiations, who knows if he's going to show up or not, and you need him to basically lead this offense which is going to be a new offense, new terminology, all that stuff that these players got to learn. And that's when you go into OTAs and learn these type of things, so when you get to the training camp, you can hit the ground running as well as on the defensive side

of the ball. I mean, you have leaders and guys like Sean Lee and all those other guys who are learning new defenses and new terminology and how they're gonna run things. I mean, I've heard and saw some things that where they're gonna implement a new type of three four types game in there as well or some elements of the three four scheme in there. So these guys are gonna have to learn how to play, maybe new positions,

maybe learn a whole new differ scheme. So I think it it it'll hurt him a lot to not have this time to start early for this new scheme. Yeah. I feel the same on both fronts. Uh. Like we talked about last week, I think this is this is helping the Cowboys out because I really don't think Dak would have showed up to these OTAs without that, without that contract, so it's kind of saving face for him

a little bit. But yeah, put input in the new offense and having these young receivers and people who don't know the offense and trying to learn it virtually, it's difficult.

And we went through this in twenty eleven when we got Rob Ryan and we tried to input his thick playbook in uh too fast, and it showed up on the field we were out there, you know, we're a little a little bit more confused than we would have been had we had the correct time to input the plays and do the do the walk throughs that we

would have normally had without the lockout. So I think we'll see some of that with the Cowboys and honestly across the league because a lot of a lot of those teams will have new guys coming in who won't be able to do those walkthroughs and practice and learn those defensive offices the way that they would have with if things were normal at this time. All Right, mccrais stayed there because you bring up a good point about how you went through this in twenty eleven in a

similar situation. You look in the NFC East, the Cowboys with the new coaching staff with Mike McCarthy, Joe Judge, and the Giants new coaching staff up there with the Giants and then Rob River and Washington new coaching staff. So right now, Philadelphia the only team in the NFC East that has continuity with the coaching staff in a playbook that people know, so that you have to say that gives them an advantage. Yes, I would. I'll go ahead, Danny, go ahead, go ahead. Now. Yeah, yeah, I think it

gives them an advantage as long as they're healthy. We saw last year that that was their achilles hill, not being able to stay healthy, but them being able to have the same coaches and the same playbook. The only thing they to stop them is the new players that they draft and bring in and free agency. They will have to step in and learn learn those plays. Yeah.

I agree with you one hundred percent there, Danny. I think Philadelphia has you know, a huge head start right now, and they're bringing back their whole team and you know, hopefully, like you said, if they stay healthy, they I mean, they're the front runners right now because they already know that scheme. They already know the coaches, They already have a bond a relationship with those guys, and they've been

to the highest level with those guys. So and they want to division last year with the same type of coaches. So I think they have the head start right now. But like you said, they gotta stay healthy. I mean, they were banged up a lot last year and we'll see if the Cowboys can catch up. All right, The Cowboys have done something that I absolutely love and they

put this out on Twitter. They're doing interviews. Um, you know, they're jumping on the zoom calls and they're doing interviews with prospects and for the first time, they're they're allowing us to get a little bit a little taste, small taste if the questions they're asking the guys here. And I want to start with Kenneth Murray of Oklahoma. He's a linebacker and what he said to the Cowboys, and I thought Jerry Jones asked him a really good question.

One of the things about Jerry Jones, in case Cowboy fans don't know, Jerry struggled. You know, you think of Jerry now as a billionaire, but he struggled early on. He's always worked for himself. And one of the things that Jerry really has a has a thing for people who have been knocked down who get back up. So this is the Cowboys coaching staff and Jerry Jones with Oklahoma linebacker Keith Murray. Let me ask one that I

ask it frequently this play. If you can come up with a setback, if you can come up with where you have to really call yourself at any time in your life when you were young, you were kicked around or what do you think gave you a lot of the setbacks are the controversy or the challenge that might have helped you be a football player? You are well, Uh, you know situation that I'm that I that I would that I like to talk about and that's made me who I am on the field and off the field. Uh.

You know, I wouldn't say it's more short setback. I say it's more so a blessing. I mean, you know, if you look at it the way I am, in the way you know my family has, it is a blessing. So um, you know for me, I learned, you know, how to be selfless an extremely extremely young age. How

to what true gratitude is. They extremely engaged because of what I went through and so, um, you know when when I was growing up, UM, my mom and my dad, you know, they they they they did some things that that were true acts of selfless, self selflessness and so um, around the edge of eleven, my parents adopted three special needs kids, and UM, you know it's kind of a unique situation for us because you know, the disease that they had was extremely, extremely rare. Um. Only one of

the set of children hadn't in the world. Um, And so that that pushed my parents into you know, one to twenty five thirty doctor suppointments a week, um, just to you know, be able to get the kids to the proper help that they need to get them. Um, you know, you know, started and then get them the helpers they needed it. So, you know, you know, going through all that stuff and that that that was a time where you know, my parents were letting on me

a lot, given that I was the oldest. So you know, I was the kid that you know basically you know, my parents anytime they needed anything, anytime needed um, you know, you know, things should be done. You know, I was the oldest shot I was just wanted everybody was looking to. And so you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say it

was a setback. I would say it was a blessing because you know that at that age, you know, it really really forced me to be you know what what what you guys see on the field now, which is you know the product of a of a kid that's a go getter, of a kid that that just goes out, um and just and just get you foretell um. And And for me, you know, I've always been a self starter. Um. You know, I've never been somebody that that that needs

to be started. You know, I've always been a guy that's that's been the first thing to build it, last one out. But I think that's a direct by product of this how I came up and I had to go through as a kid, and you know, you know, early on, you know I was you know, I took you all talk like I raised three kids already, because

you know, you just got to grow up fast. Um, you know, you know, going through that type of situation and my parents, you know, basically you know, being from one lifestyle to a complete a completely other type of lifestyle. And so um, you know for that for us, you know, it was it was definitely a unique situation. Um, and there's definitely a situation that it's mold to me and made me who I am today. I can't attend that's strong. Sure, thank you? Sure? All right? So I love that video.

I knew a little bit about Kenneth Murray's story, but when I saw that and how he responded, I just said to myself, Man, what a great quality guy. And something Jason Garrett used to talk about is you're having the right kind of people in the building. And I know the Mavericks when they draft guys, they were somebody, Hey, we want a right kind of guy here, and you

guys are former players here. When you hear a story like that about a guy like Kenneth Murray, that's a dude that you root for if he comes onto your football team. Oh definitely. I mean that's a guy. I mean, that's a grown man right there. I mean that's a guy who had to grow up at an early age. Like you said, his family adopted and on three children with special needs. And I know how hard that is,

you know, growing up with siblings having special needs. I mean, my sister has down central now and she's had obviously her whole life, and uh, it's hard, it's hard to grow up like that. And um and he had to grow up as a as a as a young as a young adult, and that just shows the maturity level in him. And what also kind of caught my attention was how he kind of said he was a self motivator,

kind of a self starter. I mean, you know, the coaches get paid a lot of money to motivate their teams to go out there and played at the highest level. But if you got a guy like that who can just go out there and lead himself and motivate himself to play for the name on the back of his jersey, I mean, those are the type of guys you want in the locker room. Those are the type of guys

that you want to go to war with. Yeah, yeah, I think I think the story is amazing and uh new he just gives Jason Garrett some some props on the type of guys that can bring it to the locker room. Okay, all right, all right, all right, knew he knew. I think things changed during the coronavirus, man. I think things are changed a little bit. I think that the quarantine. Quarantine has you changed a little bit, But yeah, I mean I like the guy. I love

the story. Um, being battle tested when you come into the league is something that is that is like really an advantage, especially when you step on the field with some of those grown men that have been there before, and some of those guys have the same story and they're motivated the same way as you are. So being on that same playing field when you step into the

league is big. And I think him being self motivated and being able to want to go out there and learn things on his own and watch film on his own, I think that will turn him into one of those leaders on the field as soon as he steps into the locker room. So hopefully he's one of those guys that we were really looking at and and possibly can get into that locker room soon. Church. Take me back to you and your sister. So I didn't know this.

Murray talked about being selfless. Um, how did that translate for you as you were growing up with with your sister and how your parents dealt with you guys, and you know you at times having to step up and become selfless. Oh, I had to at an early age just because um, you know, with with with people who have Down syndrome, I mean they need more attention, they

need more care going through it through their life. So me, at a young age, I had to learn to not be as as as selfish and you know, I want this toy or I want that, or how come she gets this or how come she gets that? I had to learn that, you know, she was born different and

she needs more care, she needs more attention. So that kind of made me grow up early as a as a young man and kind of take care of my sister as well with my parents because both of my parents were working all day, so in the summertime, it was basically just me and my sister there So and my grandmother. But we had to, you know, learn to be with each other and learn to take care of each other. And it's it's a huge. It's huge to be able to take care of your sibling like that

who has Down central when who have special needs. I mean, it's it's huge. It just gets it's that that bond that you guys share is it's amazing. Danny McCrae, So I want you to give me your thought process on what we're seeing from the Cowboys here to interview a guy like Kenneth Murrick. Keneth Orror's going to be a first round. If he's not a first round, people will definitely fall early in the second. He won't fall any

further than that. This leads me to think about the Cowboys and the possibility of them playing a three to four. Scott McCurley is the new linebackers coach. McCurley has some experience up there with Don Cabride when they were running three four concepts with the Green Bay Packers. So you tell me, what do you think the Cowboys are gonna do and do they have enough linebackers because right now you check out that roster a lot of one year deals to talk about linebackers on this football team. Is

this a place where they need to go? Uh? Yeah. If they're gonna run a three four, I believe that they would definitely need more linebackers, and I think them input into three four will get them more versatility as they go in and play, and they have some guys that can play that position. I want to bring up Clay Matthews again this week, but if they running three four, you can look at that names as a guy, a type of guy that they would want on the team.

Maybe not him, but they need some of those guys that are able to rush. I love the idea of them playing a three four. By the way, Sean Lee played his best football for Rob Bryan when we ran a three four, and I think he would welcome that as well. Yeah, I think I think a three changing the three four would would be amazing. And we do

need to get more more linebackers. I don't know if it would be like, you know, your prototypical linebacker that can you know, cover and all that other stuff, But if you're gonna get a three to four, I think the ends, the outside linebackers need to be more of kind of like a von Miller type where they're basically small defensive nas that can rush the pass or you don't see them dropping back a lot, but they can

have the ability to do that. So I say, um, yeah, I would agree that they need a little bit more versatility in the lineback and core if they're gonna run some of these elements of the three four. All right, then that brings me to m Zach Baalton. That's another interview they did that they put up on the website, a smaller guy from from Wisconsin if you were just trying to run a four three, but the three to four that that could be. I just remember when Bill

Parcells was here running at three four. They had a lot of linebackers. I mean they were constantly bringing in a lot of guys. And just when I think about the number of linebackers, you're having a four three versus three four, cowboys gonna have enough, right, Yeah, they don't

have enough? Got Church. Oh, I was just wondering, So like when you say linebacker, are you thinking more of like a Sean Lee Tite linebacker or like a DeMarcus Ware who was considered a linebacker but he was really kind of a d n both called calling those guys that do wear them. I'm calling those guys Russians. I did not like Spence. Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware were labeled as linebackers. Those guys were rush ends in our scheme.

It was very rare that you would see them drop out to cover the flat or cover the curl, and we would only do that just to disguise maybe once a game. Those guys are are Russians and they could play in a four to three as a Russian as well. So when I know you're talking about linebackers, but I'm thinking about guys who can rush the pastor I think our linebackers that we have now would be good for three or four. We just need to add a little bit of depth. But it's rushing wise. You can never

have enough pass rushers. Okay, So linebackers obviously they're talking to you, mean defensive needs are there. We know there's a defensive need there across on that side of the ball, and a lot of one year contracts. Another player that I want to bring up that they did a video conferencing with which I found an in Russian player of ray Kuon Davis, and he played defensive line for Alabama. One of the best defense to coaches in football, Nick Sabans. On that side of the ball, he's won a national

championship there. Let's listen to a bit of his conversation with the counsels. Tell me, tell me about you getting your degree from the universe, held out on what that means to you. Number where he came from, and talk to me. Yeah, sir, I mean a lot, because you know, as I was saying earlier, I mean when I'm from we didn't winn't have a role. Nobody my family do it like ever did it. So I'm like the literally

first one that's bunch of the nfl um graduated. You know, this just the first person to do it in my family. So it's like it's a it's a thig achieve Yeah, so coach was pretty coach, It was pretty excited. Ye how about how about miss Moseley, sir? Can you talk about her real quick? Um? She she was just that, you know, she was that lady that just kept me out of like she she didn't care like she she

didn't care about none of this. She like my senior year we had like we played Clint Mississippi, and um, she's suspending me for the game. I've seen you and she told me That's what I finally realized, Like she didn't she don't care about She just she cared about me as a person. And try to best men. You care about football. You played with a lot of good players. Okay, if you could take one of them with you to

be a player on Sunday. Now, not your best friend, Okay, I'm talking about somebody to help us win, you know what I mean? Who would that guy be to help help us win? That guy, I say, Nick said, take your coach. We got a good coach. You just said the wrong thing because he's up next. Baby. That's awesome. Rapond is Garry Jones. That's the best way to ask them questions. I mean, I mean all my all my teammates, man,

ain't they? Um? They they literally play on Sundays, so that that question places are and it's a good aswer. That wasn't good aswer? All right? So that's ray Kwon Davis of Alabama, a guy that the Cowboys are talking to. Now, some people are saying they don't like the fact that the Cowboys are putting these interviews up there, that they think that they're they're showing them too much. That already came up here on our Twitter page here. I don't believe it's a big deal because teams all know who

talks to who. If you have your thirty visits, everybody's gonna know who the Cowboys are bringing in anywhere. I don't think it's a big deal, do you Democrat? Now? I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. Um do it? And and this is the time when they win. Anyways, It's not like they're asking, uh, giving away anything about our scheme or or something we're gonna do in his draft. We know that these guys are are high up on the board and they'll be doing interviews with a lot

of other teams as well. So I don't I don't think it's giving away anything on our end. Yeah, I don't think it's given Yeah, I don't think it's given anything away on our end as well. I mean, everybody has an opportunity to talk to these players if they want to um, and they're just basically showing or asking them, you know, questions about themselves and their history and how they feel they could help this team. But I had

a quick question on that interview. Did he say to help this team get to the next level, they need to bring his ex coach on Did he Did he say that? Yes? Yes, babies didn't say that. But but it was fun because if you saw Mike McCarthy McCarthy laugh and yeah, and you know, and Jerry's like, yeah, you can't bring them with us, So I thought it was it was fun. And and also just you know, this these this is how these interviews go. Man, Some of these guys kind of miss on the questions, but

at least you know he respects his coach. You know he's honest. I think this also gives gives the fans an opportunity to see who these guys are as well. You won't see these guys like this again right now, next time you see them, and they'll be getting drafted, they'll be on the team. This is them pretty much raw and uncut, like their job interview of trying to make the team. And I think the Cowboys showing this is giving giving the fans a little insight into what

the process is really like. I agree. All right, before we take a break here, everybody to give out your social media handles, so so the folks who are checking us out here on Twitter can follow us all the time on Instagram mccraig at Danny dmc forty four on Twitter at Danny Underscore mccraig forty on Instagram. And I'm checking out y'all in the live feed right now. For me, it's Buried Church forty two and that's both on Instagram and on Twitter. Follow me on Twitter at NUIs Scrugs.

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at a presidential press conference with Donald Trump. But right now, let's get into other people's business around the NFL. Late last night, I look up and I see that the Rams have traded away Brandon Cooks to Houston for the text and second round pick is fifty seventh overall, And I'm thinking to myself, what are the Texans doing? What is Bill O'Brien at the head coach and general manager doing.

Brandon Cooks last year spent a lot of time injured, dealing with concussions, and you're gonna make a trade for you're gonna get rid of Yandre Hopkins and bringing Brandon Fellas. Tell me what are they doing in Houston? Tell your something? Let me tell you something I've missed. Uh So, Brandon Cooks. I'm glad I didn't get to get a trade for up last year from my fantasy team because he would

have erected. I don't know what they're doing down in Houston, which is probably while I'm while I'm living up here in Dallas. All right, I'm from the great city of Houston. But I don't understand what they got going on. Why would you get with the hot for Brandon Cooks who was injured? He has a concussion history, he didn't produce last year, and this this we don't even know he's gonna be able to be on the field. It doesn't make sense. And you give it up for a second.

What did we give up the hot for? It doesn't make sense at all. I think this would be Bills last year being the gem and possibly the head coach if they don't win the Super Bowl. I'm gonna have to agree with you one hundred percent the mat. I mean, I don't know what they're doing over there in Houston, Like you said, you get rid of DeAndre Hawkins, You're leading receiver, your quarterbacks number one option, and you give him up for it for David Johnson, And I think

what a second round. David Johnson did nothing last year and then he was hurt all that, and then you traded for who do you Crooks? Cooks? The guy is a burner, he can get behind the secondary, but you already gaffed that and Will Fuller. You need that guy who's a who's a possession route running receiver next to him, and you had that, You had the perfect specimen in DeAndre Hopkins, and you let him go and you brought in Crooks, who's another burner. And we've seen what happens

with burners. Will Fuller been hurt pretty much his whole career. I mean, Cooks has been battling concussions, concussions throughout his whole career. I mean, I just don't see where it adds up. And I think you're right, O'Brien. Be his last year, if they don't win the Super Bowl, they don't make a deep playoff run. I mean, I just don't see. I just don't understand. I just don't understand he blackmail with somebody older. I don't know something's going on.

I don't understand. I know the city of Houston is not happy with him. So let's spend this back to the Cowboys. The Rams, by the way, finished nine and seven last year, and the Cowboys beat them up pretty good at Jerry World. So trying to figure out where the Rams are going. This kind of comes back into contracts because the Rams are going to eat up a lot of money having gotten rid of Todd Gurley and

Brandon Cooks, who they gave big contracts to. And I saw where somebody said on Twitter that Dak Prescott should look at this and why he should take a lot of money because it means you have to get rid of other players. And I kind of laughed at it because I think Jared Golf is a guy they want of them think, and they did give a lot of money to that. Jared Goff wasn't out here trying to save anybody money. This comes down to a team and

how they decide to spend their money here. I never agree with them getting Todd Gurley that money because Todd girls the guy who dealt with ACL problems back at George. Why would you invest in a guy who's already been injured at the running back position. I thought that was a bad move by less need of rags. Oh, I think it was an extremely bad move by the Rams to try to give Todd Gurley that money. I mean, yeah,

he was a productive player. I think he was up for the MVP running that year they went to the Super Bowl. But I mean, like you said, he had chronic knee problems and he's a running back. They take the most punishment out of any position in the NFL. They're consistently hit, even if they don't get the ball, and they're blocking, they're hitting three hundred pound defensive lineman

trying to block them. So I just don't think the running back position overall is a great investment unless you have one of them stalwarth players and one of them once in a generation players that you gotta have. I think that's the only position that you might be able to pay a running back. But overall, Houston, Houston, we got a problem, That's all I gotta say. Man, more than neging mistakes, and that comparison to the Cowboys, to

me doesn't make much sense. I can guarantee you that there Brandon Cooks put up numbers like Amari Cooper, and then Girley put up bubs like Zeke did last year. They would have found a way to keep them on the team. It just wasn't really all about money. Those guys. They got rid of Todd Gurley one, he got bad knees and he was the source of all media last year trying to figure out when he was gonna be able to play. And Brandon Cooks was not able to

be on the field. And I think that's those are the two reasons why they aren't on the team this year. Money is one, but I think their production and availability It was top of the list for that one, not necessarily just the bread because they'll pay Zeke and Coop right now if they were available. Let me ask you a question real quick. Do you guys think that that Girly contract and all does that affect Zeke going forward? Or do you think he's one of those outliers where

it doesn't matter. He's that good, he deserves that money. He's good. I look at Zeke as a guy who's been healthy throughout his career, and I think then that's why I go back to the Gurly deal. Todd was never healthy. So if a guy was never health, it was just a matter of time when you were dealing with that type of injury. And I just think they screwed up as far as Cooks goes there, I didn't understand them paying him as well, considering you had Cooper

Cup and I and this is just me. I think Sean Sean McVay is a kind of guy where if I'm less need, I asked, Sean McVay, who can you come in here? Who can we plug in here? And you can win with next? Kind of like what New England has been able to do during the years is being able to plug in guys and Josh McDaniels figures out a way to use that's just like this is this is the example of receivers playing for different quarterbacks.

Because the reason Cook's got paid is because he was in New Orleans, I believe, And I think Drew Brees was thrown to him and he was going crazy and then he got up there with Golf and it hadn't been the same. Maybe he's leading them across the middle too much. I'm not sure, but different quarterbacks will hurt our help the production of a great receiver. Okay, all right, So that's that's one team, the Rams, and what they're

doing Tampa Bay is bringing in Tom Brady here. And you guys had brought up the thought of just what you felt when Tom said why he left New England. So oh, I definitely think you know Tom. I believe Tom left just because one. I think his teeth done all he could for New Wing. I mean twenty years, six Super Bowls, nine appearances overall. I mean he's overall the goat in New England, so I mean pretty much he's the man there, and he I think he wanted

a fresh start. I mean, contrary to belief, I think he did think that, you know, Bill Belichick was kind of getting all the credit, or that he didn't want to share the credit with Bill Belichick. He wanted to see if he could do it on his own. And I think he deserved that, right. I mean, twenty years, six bowls. If he wants to see if he can do it on his own, go ahead and right to you. I think he went to the right place in Tampa Bay. I mean, they're loaded offensively, so I don't think he'll

take a dip. I think he'll actually do better this year offensively than he did last year. But I think he just wanted the opportunity to do it on his own seat. He could do it on his own and I think he deserves that, being a goat. Yeah, and him like I felt like he felt slighted us somehow up there. They'll never tell us the real story because they're professionals and they keep that to themselves and they

do have a respectful relationship. But for him to say that he felt like the writing was on the wall at the beginning of the year before it even started. So he knew something. He's been there twenty years. He knows how to how to fill out the temperature and the vibe there. And if he felt that way at the beginning of the year, there were some signals and signs that he was picking up on from Belichick. I don't believe it was Craft. I think it was Belichick, uh that that he picked up on and he just

knew that that was the end for him. So I know it's something more there. But with them being the professionals that there are, having that relationship that they've had for so long, we'll never get it out of them. But so we just hit a speculate. I just think it was a little bit more than more than what they what they led us to believe. Um telling you that book's coming out, give it about stories. It's coming up,

the true Stories. It's coming out. It's gonna be a thirty for thirty or he gonna it's gonna be exclusive to the book. Yeah, I don't read it too, absolutely read it. So what are you making those do? Tampa Bay uniforms? So Tampa Bay Atlanta unveiled new uniforms and I saw that. I saw they had a picture of they showed him. It was that movie is the log Yard. Yeah, the logus Yard. They look just like the prisoner's outfit. So the Logan Yard they look exactly the same. You

know what, more power with them. They are what they are. I like the ones that they had previously. So so mccraig. That was the Carolina Panthers website. So they cracked back on them. And then you should you know, so you look at a person's laughing in the background, and then they showed Atlanta uniform and then it goes into that reveal of Adam Sandler and the The Longest Yard movie. But that was the Carolina Panthers. Oh these blubber runs their social media. They got the belt for that one.

They got, they got the championship for that. These these these handles for these teams, Man, they get more creative and a little bit more bold as we move out, move on through the years, man, because just just like you see with like the water Burger, messing with McDonald's at Chick fil A, and all of this stuff is like now coming over into the NFL. And I think it's good for it's good entertainment for us. Man. It was.

It was funny. Else probably one of the one of the times I laughed out loud during this during this lockdown. I mean, to be completely honest, those those uniforms are terrible. I mean, Tampa Bay's all right, I mean they kind of kind of a throwback to him. But Atlanta, I mean it looks like like a food bull shirt. Remember food Boo back in the day. It looks like a food Boo shirt. Man. That thing is terrible. It's terrible.

It's not it's not good. And I just I just think about how many people had to sit in their room and give the old k so like, yeah, this is you're gonna kill them with this one. This is fire. I'm telling y'all, is it right here? We're gonna kill them with this one. Let's do this unkilled video. Let's do it. And then you go on Twitter and you see the Carolina Pathers dogging you like that again, all comments and laughter out of it. Oh Man, putting that

a good choice? Yell lettering on the jerseys, I thought was just I thought that was college. I was like this, this is not college putting your names out there like Cleveland did there. I didn't. I didn't like. I didn't like either one. I didn't like Tampa's or Atlantis. That was just me. Everybody want to be innovator. Man, I agree with you, Man, not good choices. They should be fired for that. Good choice. I'll tell you one that won't change. As the Cowboys on the players Lounge, the

All Decade Team for the twenty tens comes out. The Cowboys were two players on their Tyrant Smith at the tackle position, Zach Martin at the guard position, and for both men U this is a great honor as they have built Hall of Fame resumes and there's still more to their careers. But when you start talking about trying to get in that room and can't. Ohio, where the writers make the votes? They Drew, look and see have

you made it all decade teams? So Zach Martin Tiresman, this is a feather in their cap as well as everybody else who ended up making that twenty tens team. McCray, I know you wanted to talk about this topic and you were very happy that two of your your LSU Tigers make the least. Yeah, man, you know, shout out to the honey Badger. He changed the game with the with the with the with the golden mohawk. Oh am, I goal, No, I can hear Danny a little bit?

Can you hear me? Now? All right, Church, Church, you go ahead and pick up here. I'm gonna give you honors a thin here. I think they got it completely wrong. I mean, I think they missed out on two players who needed to be in this All Decade team, and one, of course, I think it had to be Drew Brees. I mean it's it's it's a tough comparison with him and Aaron Rodgers, but I think you gotta give Breezes the nod on this one. I mean, they've they've had,

you know, MVP seasons. They both won a Super Bowl, m Rodgers won hits within the two thousand and two thousand and ten decade or whatever. But they're both one time super Bowl champions. They're both great players. But I think you give Breese the nod. And then secondly, I think you gotta where was I had? How did I not make this All Decade team? I mean, I played, I played in the league. I played for the Cowboys seven years. I was a great safety. I needed to

be on this All decade team. They missed out on me. I'm upset. I'm upset. What can I say? Take me back to this quarterback situation? Yeah, oh, you're just gonna and just gonna race. I mean, really, how do you take Breeze ahead of Brady during the twenty tens when you consider all the Super Bowls, at AFC Championships games that that Brady? Oh no, not Brady. I'm Brady's a lock for sure. I'm talking about Rogers. You tell Rogers, okay, smooth, nah man, are we back? Can y'all hear me? Now? Yeah?

We got you during the twenty tens, Rogers, I know it's close. He did he did he did, and MVP Breeze He's never won an MVP. I just think when you look at it overall, I just think overall from two thousand and two thousand and ten, I don't have the numbers in front of me right now. I'm just going by the eye test. I just feel as though Breeze made more of an impact than than Rogers did. Um Bud, granted, I will give you this, Breeze, I feel like I did play with more talent than Rogers did.

So you might be swaying me a little bit here, Nui. I'm still going with Breeze. But now that I'm looking at the talent factor, I mean he had Michael Thomas, he had Alvin Kamara, I mean, Jimmy Graham and his prime. So you might be swamming me here, New you might be swamming me. I mean during the twenty tens, while while Brady was putting up you know, he was doing championship like things, there were a lot of times when you were just saying the best quarterback was Aaron Rodgers.

And while Breeze has been playing high level football for most of the decade, people were saying Rogers was the top quarterback in the thing? Are we just saying that just because of armed talent wise or actual like he was putting up those those numbers to back up the armed talent, I would say the numbers and also the the the wins. I mean they did a lot of winning. I mean, you look at Mike mccarth. I mean they did a lot of winning with Aaron Rodgers up there

at Green Bay. The big criticism was that people were saying that they needed to do more more winning, which is kind of unfair. Something about that was the same thing you should have said about Breeze and in Sean Payton. They also won on the road, uh, with Aaron Rodgers and bree Breeze and do that as much. This is true, This is true, This is true. I I'm gona tree to disagree. They're both phenomenal players out there, but I'm

gonna have to lean towards Breeze on this one. I got I gotta finish getting my shout out to the Honey Badger and Patrick Peterson for making All Decade team. Shout out to the Cowboys that made it. But those LSU guys made it. They changed the game, and Pat Peterson could have been on there twice because Church remembers when we got into the league, this guy was one of the most dangerous punt returners that we had seen

of our time. He was he was doing the dns, he was scoring touchdowns and nobody wanted to kick to him. So shout out to those guys, Shout out to the Cowboys, Go Tigers. He was. He was definitely an electric as hell back there returning. But I have a question. Did Matthew Slater make make special teams all decade team? No? To me, that's a crime. He's been a Pro bowler consistently. He's obviously one of the top special teams players that

ever played the game. I don't know how they did they have a slot for that though, because I only saw pun punt return and kick her and kickers. Did they have a like? I don't think they have a slot for just uh like they do at the Pro Bowl. Where do you just got being supposed to see? But

he would have been on there they did not. All right, we got to take another break here, but when we come back, I'll get into the seventeenth overall pick for the Cowboys and where I am leaning where two very successful college quarterbacks who were now without teams without proteins will dive into that and also President Trump being asked about partnering the Tiger King Joe Exotic. This is the players Lounge on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio since eighteen

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treat you. Players lounge right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com you do every Friday at eleven A and Central. I'm the we Scrugs, joined by former Dallas Cowboys players Barry Church and Danny McCray. Let's get back into the National Football League and two guys who won high school trophies and national championships were both the first overall picks of their draft. Jamis Winston and Cam Newton are both

out of work. Jamis Winston posted a video of himself doing a workout, and David Carr cracked back on him, saying this is why you should not have your friends working you out, that he should get a real trainer, and Jamis fired back that this person has been his trainers since he was fourteen. They had a whole lot of success and said, look, I respect you, but if you don't have anything positive to say, you might as

well just leave me alone. So I thought that was a smart comeback by Jamis to basically tell Car to stay out of his business. But where do you guys think Cam Newton and Jai Jamis Winston land are they starters? Where do you think they'll go? Church? You fire off first? For me, I'm gonna start off with Cam Newton. I think Cam got a little bit better of an opportunity than Jamis Winston, does it get back into that starting

role pretty faster than he would have. Um, he's a former NFL MVB, he's been to the Super Bowl, He's had success, and a lot of these his downfall he's past couple of years. A lot can be blamed to injuries. I mean he had injuries to the shoulders, you know,

the ankles all banged up. So I think if he can rework his playing style, you know, get get out of bounds more, or slide more, or get a ball out of his hands a lot quicker than I think, he'll have a better opportunity of being a starter somewhere else. Jamis Winston, you know, he's a gun slinger. It is

what it is. He throws and throws and throws. But I think the problem with him is he turns the ball over way, way, way too much, and I think it makes coaches uncomfortable even having him back there, you know, throwing the ball, because you never know what's going to happen. He had his Tampa Bay defense in the worst field position throughout the whole NFL, and that's because of his turnovers. Not only did he throw thirty interceptions, but I believe he lost five or six fumbles as well. So here's

a guy that just is a turnover machine happening. And I think he might be able to stay in the league as a backup type role, maybe spot game here and there. But I just think coaches overall do not want that type of quarterback back there, slanging, throwing, intersept like that. But Cam Newton over I think he has a better opportunity to get back in that starting to roll, but he has to get healthy first, and once he is, I think he'll be one of the better quarterbacks in

the league. Yeah. Same here. I don't know how many people are gonna touch Jamimes Winston with those interception problems. He will be a backup guy. He'll make some of the easiest money in the NFL as those backup quarterbacks due like Chase Daniels. But I don't see anybody taking that risk of having their job on the line by picking up Jameis Winston. M Cam is definitely gonna be a starter somewhere, Just not sure where. Where's Where's Ron

when you need him? Uh? Could? Could it? Could it be? Washington. I'm not sure, but I know somebody will. It will not be Washington. It will not be Washington. Washington's got twenty two million, they got to pay Alex Smith, they got Dwayne Haskins, who the owner loves, and they just traded for Kyle Allen. There's no way Cam is gonna go up there and sit on the bench. So, no

way he ends up in Washington. No way, even to a tug of Iolo two in the draft ends of a watching, they're set right there at the quarterback spot. So because of money and also just because of the owner's love and desire for Haskins, it's very strange. Uh,

Camp will be a starter. I'm just I'm just not sure where where he fits in at But he is heading heading, heels above jamis in this in this race, and somebody would give him a shot, and I think he'll he'll be a star when he doesn't just put him in that position where he can be dangerous with his legs and his arm again, and I think he'll be successful. All right, another time. Yeah, I've got him. No, no,

no church, hit a church. I was gonna say, you know, before I thought he would have had a great landing spot in Chicago. But you know they say they they went up there and got nick full. So I'm not quite sure where he would be able to land. Um, you know, maybe as you know, I'm not quite sure. I mean, it's gonna be a tough one for him to lack. There's pretty much in every NFL team, I mean,

there's kind of a solid guy back there. I don't always see too many openings up left for him, So he might have to slide in there as a backup and then uh taking role of the starting role you know, later on in the season. But we'll see Washington does not have a solid guy, but but the owner loves him then and we know how these things work with owners, Okay. I mean I remember when when when Bill Parcels first took over the Cowboys, Jerry Jones said, hey, look I

got Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson. I'd liked for you to see what the what these guys can do. When Bill said, okay that after yal, Bill is like I'm done. It brings it testiferny. So we know how owners have swayed in this. Jeff Fisher wanted Matt Leiner and the owner said we're taking vice young. So there you go. That's how that happened. There. Let me switch this back into the Cowboys. From Alden Smith's standpoint, Cowboys signed to

a one year deal. Jay Glazer worked with Alden Smith and Alton Smith told him yesterday this was the low point for him in his football journey. What was rock bottom for you that you realized you had to make a change. Um, I would say twenty eighteen was a tough year. And in that year, you know, I was, I was in a really dark place and I didn't, you know, have a lot of value for how I thought about myself. So I was, you know, when I was in the in the bad spot. You know, it

got bad, pretty bad. You know, I was sleeping under a car for some nights because like my my sickness took me there and I had a home sleeping, but I was in such a dark place that I didn't see myself deserving anything other than that. Wow, So you went from sleeping under a car to signing with the Dallas Cowboys. It's it's unreal. Tell people, obviously, I know how you got connected with them, but I don't think the world. Tell people how the Cowboys first entered the

picture in January. Yeah, so at um, your gym, Mike McCarthy came and we visited, and I had and I had played against him when I was you know, in San Francisco, when he was in Green Bay. But that's as far as we had, you know, had contact. But when we met, it seemed like we had known each other.

And you know, that was really important to me because going through this process, I wanted us surround myself with people who I felt that connection with it and I felt like he, you know, genuinely cares about me and just what I what I'm trying to do, and just me asn't man, And um, that was really important. All right. So Aldon Smith is still yet to be reinstated by the NFL. Saint thing goes for Randy Gregory, Bill Parcells's

to say, I'll I could go buys what I see. So, fellas, from what you've heard so far from Olden Smith hasn't changed any of your thoughts about it. Because last week Boat said you you worked down with us. Uh would have to give that a note. Uh, Like I said,

nothing against him. The proof is in the pudding. That's that's the one of the oldest sains and and until he's thrown into that fire of being in the limelight and being around the team and having an opportunity to go do the right thing or do the wrong thing, and being putting those situations and making the right choice, then I'm just I'm stuck where I'm at. I have

a high hoax for him. I hope it works out for him, but until I see it, then you know, I don't want to be fooled by saying I think he's he's one hundred percent changed, and then as soon as he gets out there, something goes wrong. So high host form but we'll see. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna agree with you one hundred percent on that one day. I got high hoaxed for him. But like you said, we haven't seen him be thrown into the fire yet. I mean, what happens when he gets down here and Dallas is

it's a big city. I mean there's a lot of lights going on, a lot of things just do at nighttime. He hasn't been thrown in that fire and over a year, so I want to see what happens when when when that presents itself to him. Also, what if this team is having a lot of success. What if they're he's He's and he's one of the reasons they're having success.

He's on a double digit sack terror, he's going crazy, and then all the media and all everybody kind of oh, all that we want to pee, all that we wanted. That's what I want to see, is he is. He's still going to be as calm, cool and collected as he is in these interviews and still have that same mentality, I hope. So, I mean, I'm all about, you know, giving second chances, even though this is probably his tenth chance, but you know, I'm all about giving giving second chances.

And hopefully he's able to take advantage of this, seeing as though he has been blessed with the ability to come back to the NFL. A lot of people will wish they were able to come back to the NFL after four years, but you know, he's been able to have that opportunity. So I hope he doesn't waste it. But we'll see when when it comes down to a nut cutting time. Jim tom Sula is the Cowboys new

defensive line coach. He worked with Alden Smith in San Francisco and the assistant defensive line coach is Leon Lett, and leon Lett has uh. He's a guy who can talk to Olden Smith and truly say to him, I understand a little bit of your challenge here because of what he went through in his career. So when you're talking about a support system, there's at least two guys there who can offer that to old and Smith. The NFL Draft is April twenty twenty fourth and twenty fifth.

Teams are going to have to draft at home that cannot be at the facilities here. The Cowboys hold the seventeenth overall pick. They're more and more modern drafts out there, Fellas. You know, I do not want any parts of a Cowboy wide receiver at seventeen. I don't want any parts of a Cowboy wide receiver in the first, second, or third rounds. I believe they need to be all defense.

They did bring in te Higgins for a video conference interview. Look, fellas, I'm not gonna play it because I know we're up against the clock here, so I'm gonna play t Higgins. But you guys, you can't want a wide receiver who's gonna cover somebody on this defense. Fellas, you're completely right. I mean you can't take a receiver. I mean you have two bona fide proven receivers on the outside and Gallup and Cooper, and I feel like you can find you don't have to waste a first round draft or

a first round pick on a slot receiver. I feel like you can find a slot receiver later on in the draft if that's what you really want. But I mean, you got two bona fide guys on the outside. You got a tight end that I think can have a breakout season as a passive catcher. So I just don't see the reason to go offense first. For me, I would go I would go defense and that and it's specifically I would go in the secondary. I would try

to go after the Alabama cornerback. I think his name was Tavon I want to say Tavon Wilson, I think, or Tavon Digs yet Yep, Tavon did. He's a he's a prototypical corner out there. He's big, he's ranging, he can run with anybody, and he's physical and he's had that secondary coach from Nick Saban, who's who's who's known to be one of the best defensive back coaches in the world right now. So I think that's that's one of the picks if he were to be there for

them to pick up. But definitely not a wide receiver. Yeah, I would go defense, but I mean I wouldn't fight as hard. Uh, it's new. He is going against offense. I mean the formula show goodness my thing defensively, Church. I go back to this. You start looking at contracts. There's a lot of one year deals on this team. Outside of Anthony Brown, your safeties and corners are all free agents after twenty twenty. You look at your linebacking cort Joe Thomas is on a one year deal, Sean

Lee is on a one year deal. Vander Esch has got a neck issue, and you did sign Jaalen Smith to a long term deal. So you have issues long term at the linebacking position. Gerald McCoy on the D line that's a one year deal. Don Terry Poets a two year deal and possibly to get out after one year, and who knows how long Crawfords goes. So we talk about the defense and having guys here for multiple years. Right now, we don't see a lot of that at

all three levels. That's why I think you've got to go first round, because that gives you five years for a player, and then you start talking about the second and third rounds. This is four years. I mean they got to replenish themselves long term defensively for this team. Oh, I think you're think you're right, You're right on the money. I think eighty percent of this draft. I think maybe one or two picks later on, maybe to the offense. If that, you know, maybe just one. But you gotta

address the defense. Like you said, we lost a lot of key pieces in free agency. We lost Quinn, we lost Byron Jones back there, we lost Jeff Heathrew was a quarterback of the secondary. I mean, we have a lot of defensive players that we have now or just like you said, under one year contracts. So if you want that stability, if you want that championship window, I think to expand for more than just one or two years.

I think you gotta address the defensive side of the ball. Offensively, I think you're pretty much stuck with with you gout and I think that's really good with what they got on that side. So I think you gotta you gotta look at this defense side of the ball and try to figure out how to get some picks in there and get some long term guys that can pretty much

produce for this team. A lot of good comments on the seventeenth pick here on the Twitter web pigs as I'm just looking here as we're broadcasting, and there's some people saying, look, don't take Digs. It's seventeen. You trade back, Barry. Here's always been my issue with the problem of trading back. Every time we trade back, you're trading away from good players. But the whole thing about it, in terms of trading back, who's to say that Diggs is going to be there?

You know, you can say, well, maybe seventeen is too high, you want to go to twenty four. But what if the Raiders at nineteen want Digs. I mean, there's other teams that are gonna look at these quarterbacks and say, look, we need help as well. So I don't know if the Cowboys are in this great position where fans always think, let's trade back, let's trade back. If you like a player, then you take them. The Cowboys right now need help at the corner position. Cheeto Ruzier is your number one guy.

I don't know how comfortable Mike Nolan is with that. I do think they need to invest in a five year because that's what you're gonna get with a first round pick in five years in a quarterback and trying to trade down and hope and pray that. Okay, maybe you like Diggs and he's not there, does that mean you're gonna take Glad. I just think if you're guys there at seventeen, take your guy and move on. Yeah.

I agree with you on that. When I think one hundred percent with drafted, you like a guy and he and you think he can help your team and stoop from the jump, I think you gotta get him. I think that's all what the first round is all about, getting guys that can help produce you to help produce on your team immediately. And I think you need that on the defensive side of the ball, especially at the

cornerback position. Like you said, we have a Woozier there, but he struggled last year, especially on fifty fifty jump balls. I don't think he was able to pretty much keep up with a lot of the receivers out there. So I think we need somebody else in there to play at that cornerback position. Like you said, we have Anthony Brown and we have George Lewis in there at the slot, but I think he's a much better slot defender than he is an outside corner. So we'll see what happens

with that. But I think they gotta go corner here and not trade back. If you like Tavon Diggs, if you like where he is or one of the other cornerbacks where that is, I think at seventeen, you gotta go grab him. Don't trade back, because like you said, you're moving away from good players and people, and you know, teams that are ahead of you, they might be able

to snack those players up. So we'll see. Yeah, And look, if you say in the first round you're it's seventeen, you're going to be able to get a top corner if you want one, being Diggs, being Gladden me CJ. Henderson may go. A lot of drafts have CJ. Henderson going one spot earlier to the Atlanta Foustans, kind of like with the Fountas a couple of years ago, take Attack McKinley ahead of the Cowboys, and Cowboys were forced to take Taco Charlton. So but the Falcons have some

of the exact same needs that the Cowboys do. When you're talking about D line defensive back. Look, if Javon kin Law of South Carolina happens to be there seventeen, I run and I go get that guy. Mean Joan Kinlaw. If you haven't read his story at all, I mean, this is a guy who grew up homeless, who can really push the pockets big. This is a this is

a difference making player. But because of the medicals, and I've talked a couple of scouts and people who follow this his medical some teams may not take him because with the uncertainty and not being able to check players after yourself and not being able to go do the second opinion on the medicals after the combine, there could be some people who decide to pass on kin Law,

so he could fall to the Cowboys. Maybe it's seventeen And I'll tell you if he is, you take it because he's one of the top six players in this NFL draft based off a build. Yeah, I agree with Johanna present Man. If he's there, like you said, he is a beast and he's one of the most productive pass rushers in the in college football and in this draft, and I think if he's healthy, if you can get a second opinion, I mean, you gotta go. You gotta take a chance on him. He's one of those great

players that you don't want to pass up. He don't want to risk him causing you harm later on and then in his NFL career. I mean, Ken law Is boy, you put that guy up there. He can play some three, you can play some five tech, he can play a little no. I mean this is this is a difference making guy. And one of the things that Cowboys got to do is figure out how to get more sacks and get more turnovers on this football team. I don't know the how blocks on him. Well, it's the knee.

It's the knee. But here's the thing, Church, if it's not for the health issue, you're never gonna get to him at seventeen. So that's kind of true. He's a healthy guy. He's a top he's a top five pick, definitely a top ten pick, no doubt. But that's one issue here, with so much uncertainty with what we've been dealing with the COVID nineteen, that you could see a player like that fault and one thing. We know we see every draft. They're gonna be players who fall for

whatever reason. And if you're lucky up, Banny, you can sit there, maybe take that shot at Jevon ken Law and Jim tom Sula feels comfortable with him and Mike Nolan, and then the Cowboys may decide they want to want to take that chance and try and build their team more on that D line and then try and maybe get a quarter in the second round and take their

their chances there. President Trump was asked if he were pardon Joe Exotic, the guy for the Tiger King Netflix documented series, and in his briefing this week, Church I thought that was a crazy question to ask the president as he's dealing with the coronavirus. Yes, that is a crazy question to ask the president. I mean, we got a whole virus taking over the world right now, and you and you got somebody asking about Joe Exotic. I mean, yeah, the guy's the guy's hilarious and he's must see TV.

But I mean he could stay his butt in jail right now. I mean, we got we got further things to worry about right now, but Joe Exotic I made I hope you're doing well in jail man. I think you wanta stay there for a little bit though. If you have I'm not seeing Tiger King. I will tell you this. It's worth it. It is, really, it is worth it. If I was skeptical for something, do I really want to waste time doing this? I watched it. It was good. I binge watching, and uh it was stuff.

So it was it was a good stuff side definitely check it out. All right. That is a players lounge for this week. We appreciate everyone who checked this out. Thank you for your comments on Twitter as well. I try to respond to those that I can here. So for Gatty mccraig, Burry Church on New Schools and we'll talk to you next Friday, eleven am Central Time, right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com