Player's Lounge: A Good Brother

on the show. Danny McCray is out, so he'll return to the Players Lounge very soon, out on assignment. I'm NEWI Scrugs, longtime Cowboys broadcaster here. Um, this is gonna be a show band where we're gonna try and keep it together here from the standpoint of Gary Brown, former running back coach with the Cowboys, has passed away at fifty two years old. Oh yeah, GBS, just a few

months older than me. It's crazy, okay. So, so GB was a guy I watched run in college and run with the Houston oilin I mean, you know, to watch him do his thing man as a running back and then become a head become a running back coach where he was the head of that running back room. Just the way he treated those guys like kids. Um Our TV station Channel five did a lot of different things

with Gary. We knew him and his one daughter was in need of a transplant, so we watched him go through some family health challenges, man, and I knew he was in hospice, and when he got the news yesterday, man, it was it was just very sad because he was such a good guy. He was an amazing man. I mean, he was the type of guy who it didn't matter where you were, first round, second round, undrafted, you practice squad,

no matter what it is. He treated everybody the same and when you went out there, and he had that same demeanor each and every practice, no matter what the situation. We were five and five and ten, or we were, you know, thirteen and one, he came with that same smile to practice each and every day, choking with us, keeping everything lighthearted. I mean, the guy was just an amazing man, amazing coach. And he you know, he had

DeMarco when he had his best years. He had you know, Ezekiel Ellis rookie year when he was flying all over the place. I mean, the guy was a hell of a coach. But even more than that, he was a hell of a man. And there was just so many life lessons he would teach you throughout the day. Just he would just sit down at our lunch table over there after practice and he would just chopping up with you.

I mean, he'd be one of the only coaches that would sit down and eat lunch with his players and he would literally sit there and just chop it up about anything, whether it's rap music, football, life in general. I mean, the guy was an outstanding man and he treated everybody with just he was just as a standing man. He give the shirt off his back if he could. And I mean, just these this news is, like you said,

it's very saddening. And he was such a young man, just young in life general, so and he had so many trials and tribulations with family health, like you mentioned, it's just it's just very sad, you know, hearing the news about gb passing and um, you know, condoless to his family. I know they're going through it right now, but you know, condoles is to them. And like I said, that guy was as a hell of a coach and even better. He was a hell of a man, father,

you know, husband, all that good stuff. So, like I said, adults is to the family. But that was man, I was a shocker right there. You don't want to think that when you're twenty six, twenty seven years old, that's the midpoint of your life. But essentially that's what it was. Yeah, for Gary Brown. And whoever speak to this funeral, I hope they say two words about him, and these two words you will understand because of what they mean in our culture. Good brother out of doubt, without a doubt,

good brother, solid brother, however you want to call it. Man, he was. He was all the above, and that is a that is a a term that is not giving out easily. And you don't say about many people. And when somebody speaks up for Gary, does somebody please say he was a good brother? He was when you when you you know, that's why we're sitting here now, man, with just heavy hearts talking about Gary Brat that was

a good brother. He liked people in general. He would he actually gave a damn about you when he talked to you and you and I know in this business there's a lot of folks who seeing past you or what is it you can do for me? Yeah, exactly, And he was the exact opposite. I mean, I remember when I was in Jacksonville, I'll be watching hard Knocks over here in Dallas and he was still the running backs coach. And I forget the young man's name with the goggles. I think his name was Hardy. I think

his name running back Hardy or whatever was. But they had segments and hard Knocks where you know, he was talking to Zeke at them, and he was coaching Hardy just as hard as he was coaching everybody else. It's ain't what he needed to do to be able to make this team and make an impact in the league. And he treated everybody to say, like you said. I mean, in this business, there's a lot of people that, oh, yeah, it'll smile in your face, but then you know when

you turn your back and say something about you. John Gruten exactly saw the words and everything said about John Gruten. When he left. Chris Simms said, you know, John sat around here, was shaking my hand. Then I heard him through the walls at one Buck plays him just sitting around here talking trash about you know. Five minutes later, that's the kind of guy. He was ingenuous, but not Gary Brown. Man. Gary Brown was a good brother. And so when you see the tweets and you see the

remembrances of him, folks, it's real. It is. And I just wanted to start to show today to just say, Man, I appreciated him. And as I covered football through the years, there are people that you start and you realize, Man, that was a good dude. Rich Besochi, who you knew was Rich Besichi was that was you know, just like GB Man, it's a good brother, right, dud, Dude, there's not that. Man. A lot of people think, you know, the coaches in the NFL, they't they're here, they must

be great. Not all of them are great, man. Likely like there's just a specific few. The handful of guys that I've been around it I could be like, Man, like you said, that's either a good brother, that's a solid dude. He got your back through, thicking through. Those are two of them guys right there, Man, one of the most. And you tell me, this is just my feeling. You played the game, and you've been in two organizations, the Cowboys and you've been with the Jaguars, you've got play,

your friends have been with others. The word family gets used a lot, and I feel like it's almost propaganda the way he gets used family and brotherhood. You come on, we're family until unless you as long as you're doing what I need and you're giving me what I want, were family. But then you know, I remember one coach who was here that if you got hurt, this coach wouldn't even look at you players allay man, dude, what you look at me? It's wow? Would look at me

because I was injured. He felt like he couldn't help me, so he was You weren't worthy of a hello from this coach. You ain't lying. That's every time I did nice or my achilles. And there were times when you go into the you would go into the meeting room, they wouldn't even acknowledge that you walked in, like it was just just they take a seat the back, like hey, what's up? You know? But it's wild. It's wild. They

look how they did at Bobby Wagner in Seattle. He had to find out he was cut through social media. The man played, however, been he looked behind eight ten years. They're all pro, mister Seahawk and that's how he had to find out. I mean so, and this is just my interpretation of this. Pete Carroll and John Schneider, the general manager. These these gentlemen good at their jobs and have gotten raises and have been celebrated for their success throughout the league. If you don't have a Bobby Wagner

doesn't work. It doesn't work without him. And that's what I find pretty amazing when these types of things happens, and how you treat the very people who got you what you want help build it up. That's it's amazing. How folks will do you man. I look at coach k Duke and the administrative administration. Duke wanted to hire Tommy America to replace Showski. Shashevski blocked it. He didn't want that. He wanted John Shire to take over. And

I go back. I was living in North Carolina when Mike Shashevski and Duke were the fourth best program in the state and they had a group of boosters called the Iron Dukes who wanted to run him out. They got beat like forty or fifteen in the ACC tournament one time by Ralph Sampson and Virginia. They wanted this guy goal because he gets there nineteen eighty. Nineteen eighty one,

North Carolina loses a national championship to Indiana. Nineteen eighty two, Michael Jordan hits the shot and James Worthy's MVP in Carolina wins a national championship. Nineteen eighty three, Jimmy Valvano a NC State win the national championship on that Lorenzo Charles dunk. They look at Mike Shafski like, man, you're not even good. In a matter of fact, the time wake forces around there making NCAA tournam like you're the fourth best programs. This guy's bad. Get him out of here,

That's what they wanted. He hung on. He had Johnny dark As, he had Jake Billis, he had Mark Allery, David Henderson, and his point guard. The point guard he got to run the show was tomm Anna. They go to They go to the national championship game in nineteen eighty six here in Dallas and Old Reunion Arena. They lose to Louisville. But then eventually he goes on a run where seven final fours in row wins the national championship. In ninety nineteen ninety two, and Tommy's also on his

staff as an assistant. Tommy helped build what he had and this is how he did Tommy Americer. Ma, Nah, Man, you don't get it. John Shar gets John shar never been a head coach. Never see how they do it, man. And so I say, man, you these folks talk about family so many times in sports. These coaches talk about family,

and rarely many of them mean it. Gary Brown treated people like family, like I said, no matter who you were, no matter who you were, he would come in there and he took it out of his time to come down. They might have coaches meetings and you know, three full minutes. He made sure he came down to that lunch room each and every practice to chop it up. Whether it be ten minutes, whether it be three minutes, he would come and chop it up. It didn't even have to

be about football, Like he rarely talked about football. Mot of the time. It was lie topics going out there in the world today. I mean, he really would would sit down and make sure he had a a really good conversation, a solid, genuine conversation with guys out there. And you know, I thank him for that for sure. And he had the running back to his house. He had, he had, he had different things at his house, and so they knew his family and you were talking about

making it a a brotherhood and the family. That's what that's what a lot of these coaches don't do that. He brought them to his house to make sure this is this is my family. I want y'all to introduce yourselves because y'all can be a part of his big family as well. I've been a geared house one time, not really, and that was a part of some love all this captains meetings. I gotta get up in there, but I'll tell you what, man, it's g was a hell of a dude. And that's the STI once again, that's the

sad parts. You're shitting around here. You're thinking about, how does a good guy like that leave us? So sis and and that's the part that's that's tough man. And So, by the way, he was over at Wisconsin, so Wisconsin football man, and he was a running backs coach there this this past season. And I'm just checking Twitter right here and just was he there with with Taylor? No, No, he was. It was just this just this year. And

this is from coach Paul Chris. He says Gary was a tremendous person, tremendous coach, and the joy to be around. He had great energy and a passion for life that showed every day. That's just what we've said. What we've just said, this is what I mean. And and I've followed me on Twitter at newiscructs. It's n E w Y Scruggs. I'm gonna tweet this clipper. You just see Gary right here with these running backs, and my gosh,

she's so skinny. That's what when I first I saw that picture earlier today and I was like, he's so skinny, But just the way he went about his business and his job and you just I mean, and the smile you just see on his face. Man, gb Man, I know you're looking up and uh just know that that we those of us who had the interactions. Yeah, we're blessed.

Yes we were man Yes to be here with with gb um fifty two gone too soon and another story of the weekend and I and this, unfortunately, this is kind of the theme of our shoulders started to hear the passing of Dwayne haskins Man. You talk about fifty talk about twenty four, twenty four year old quarterback with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and he was drafted by the Washington football team and that now the Commanders. And to see the he got hit by a truck on a highway

in Florida. He was out there training and you know, man, he's just it's it's awful. Yea. Not only was he twenty four, but he had a family. He had a wife and a kid and man and despite some some negative things that were said about him, I will remember two things distinctly about Dwayne Haskins. One guy was a heck of a player at Ohio State in a place

that has had a lot of good players. I worked up in I worked up in Ohio, I worked in Cleveland, so I have an understanding of what Ohio State football means in that state and what it means to be one of the best to ever do it there. Dwayne Haskins as a quarterback was a record setting quarterback at the Ohio State touchdown folks. What he did there was you know now, so so I give you that this is something that we don't talk about enough of. Okay, how good was Dwayne Haskins in Ohio State. He was

so good Joe Burrow had to transfer. This is true. This is true. Joe Burrow was on that roster. Joe Burrow was he Yes, he beat out Joe Burrow. Urban Meyer gave the job to Haskins. He beat out Joe Burrow. Burrow ends up transferring to LSU, becomes a highs and Trophy winner, wins a national championship, and becomes the first overall pick in the draft. But that was how good Dwayne Haskins was at Ohio State that he pushed that

guy down. Yea, we see, it's like a guy Joe Burrows right now, you play college football, you know, man, dude, just to say, I mean, Haskins went out there and had one of the historically great years in college football. I then he led him to the nat in the Natty, right they didn't That was Corde I mean Cardell Jones when they played here. But just his he was a

fantastic football. He was a guy, was a baller. So um, they ended up winning the Big Ten and they couldn't couldn't get it done in those uh in the PLAYO don't play. But but just the guy was a help play. Yeah, he was man, you can never take that away from him and the hell of a player at Ohio State, and um, you know, no need for us to dive into what he did professionally. I prefer to think about

the positives for that young man. And you hope his family can try and do what they can to process this because, honestly, but I don't know how you don't either. I mean, parents should never have to bury their children. And I mean that's twenty four years old. He had a fan, Emily wife. I mean I couldn't even imagine what I was doing at twenty four. I mean, this is this man, the Chase Claypool social media video, and I mean I couldn't get through. I mean maybe he

shout a tear out that. I mean, that is just man to see your friend like that. And then man, man, it was said if you have not seen the Chase Claypool video, if you if you look it up on Twitter, it is it will show you what he meant. Yeah, and and what teammates are, Barry, you understand what teammates are and what they mean to you. And guys who you go to war with, you go, you go to war with those guys each and every Sunday. And it's not even just the Sundays. You're battling, you know, off

season training camp, you got OTAs you gotta beat. You're you're with these dudes going through the same process, the grueling process of football. I mean training camp used to have two of days back in the day. I mean, you're with these guys almost twenty four seven, battling for the same type of goals, to reach the same type of goals. So you become that brotherhood. You get real close with these guys almost like a family, almost like a blood family out there. So I can understand what

was going through Chase clay Pools. You know, just emotions as that video was processed. I mean it was just to see your brother down like that and just I mean in his last moments. I mean, that's that's that's emotional right there, man, without a doubt. So for the Steelers as they try to move forward, I feel for that organization because that has to be processed. Man. Yeah, that's where we you know, we're we all get to

turn the page. They don't. That's there. There's a locker to be cleaned out, there's a there's a there's a brother who's not coming back to the room, and for for for those folks, and as you know, there's a son who's not coming on dad. All those things that are there, man Um, I feel for them. I feel for him. And so I go back to what my very good friend Delator McNeil, international speaker, he said, and he said it on stage many time. He says, don't

tell me. You can be here today, gone tomorrow. He says, you can be here today and gone today. No, nothing's guaranteed. Nothing is guaranteed. So all right, let's hit our first break here. We'll get into some football talk here, but we'll turn it up a little bit towards some positives.

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her in a speedy recovery. Here from the show, a lot of draft stuff. I'm seeing. People are talking wide receiver, people talking about offensive line, and I'm not married to anything right now. Okay, what does that mean, bad big man? Yeah, because I want to do what I want to do. The Pittsburgh Steelers approach. The Pittsburgh Steelers rarely trade up or down. They stay where they are. They take the best, best availability because they're just you know, along the way,

what do we know it is going to happen. They're gonna be some guys that like, who are you drafting that guy? Here? For instance, the Raiders got pick up all the receivers they want. We want Henry Ruggs had Jerry Judy out there, Jerry Judy better player than him at Alabama, CD LAB but they you know, justin Jefferson out here, so so they not we want that guy. Okay, And so here where the Cowboys just sitting around, all right, We're just gonna like this thing unfold. So then Jerry

Judy comes off the board. I mean, here's CD LAMB just sitting here looking at your seventeen. They were going most likely Trevon Diggs where you and I talked about the guy man take Diggs here's seat. No, we just go sit up here and we'll just take CD Lamb right in front of them. The uh, the Falcons were dead Quinns. Last year they took a J. Terrell out of Clemson who's turned out to be really good, good

football play. And so the Cowboys take CD Lamb. What do they do, like stick, just keep all waiting who falls to you in the second round? Yeah, we thought was gonna be a for sure first round play. Okay, so you're sitting around here with two blue chip players turn out to be great. So at twenty four, where everybody's trying to say slidest person, you know what, man to sit there, because if the best defensive lineman is there, then you can take the best defensive line. It's the

best officer. I mean, you've got options. You've got options. Will say to sit there at twenty four and take a good football player. And this is true, but I will say this in this trap that there's gonna be some position where they got hit. They gott a hit because I like we talked about earlier, this offensive line is aging some holes here in here that we need fixed. So they're gonna have to hit on one of these

pacific positions. I think, like you said, it's got to be somewhere in the trenches, either the D line or the offensive line. They've got a hit. Now. I don't think you know, a ton of cats are gonna go off early in the boards. I think they'll have their choices of you know, hopefully hopefully those couple centers, the one from Iowa and I forget the other one out there, so hopefully they'll have the choice of those two guys,

and maybe they'll hit on one of those. But I think they have got to address the trenches in this draft early early as possible, because we saw what happened in the playoffs. They got bullied and beat up in the trenches. Well, and I look at the Thursday Friday, those are your first your first three rounds, Round one on Thursday, round two, three Friday. I believe they'll you'll get there. But at twenty four and Ozzie knew some it was a Hall of fame tied in with the

Cleveland Browns. But I challenge you that this was also a Hall of Fame general manager for the Bravest. He brought some talent in. He did never missed, man, he hard hard. He missed our receivers for some reason. He couldn't. He couldn't. But everywhere else you're really really good. It's really really good. So so just stay right there and go get yourself as draft pick who is going to be a solid, contributed starter for you for the next four or five years. The minimum got so, so that's

how I see this thing. People want to, oh, we need the receiver, do you. I don't think you need him as much. I don't think the skill position I think you can address later on in a dress so you can shake a tree. There's an oh man to my speed and just production. I mean, there's plethora of receivers out there, so I think you can definitely get into that in the later round, maybe third, four, fifth type selections. And as far as the defensive skill players,

I got, you got, you got corners. You still have guys that are that were draft picks last year that are still trying to develop them to crack the lineup. So you you you're deep at corner safety, may need a little bit of touch up on. We already talked about the defensive line. So I think on both sides of the football, your skill position, you can reach it

later in the later in the draft for those. So it comes down to the trenches in the first couple of rounds, and I think we have plethora of of guys in there that we can go ahead and grab and make this team better. I am looking at the wide receiver position and I see so many people that want to, you know, just just put the Cowboys or a receiver that's sexy position. That's what it is, and it's fantasy football, That's what it is. You look at

fantasy football exactly what it is. And I go back and just say, Okay, who's the last receiver you just signed a contract, big deal. Second second round pick. Yeah, second round pick. And before him, Tyreek Kill was fifth round pick, issue right right? Okay, before that Adams second round pick. So this premise that you have to have these guys in the first round hit to be receiverty no not at all, Super Bowl MVP and a Triple Crown receiver. He was a triple receiver or receiving yours

TD these receptions he won all three last years. Not a first round pack small school guy too. Yeah. So so I'm looking at this thing from a receiver standpoint. For these fans that are doing these smart drafts right now, you don't really have to know what you have to do. And this is where it barry you understand is haven't played the safety. It becomes about how does this guy fit within our scheme exactly? How does he fit with what you're trying to do, How does he play off

a CD Lamb? How does he work with the Dak Prescott? And so not everybody's going to fit in that fashion. Nope, can't do it. Because if you look at our skill position on the offensive side, you got you you're tight end who he might not be a dynamic guy, but he's a solid, solid pass catcher out there. You got Cede Lamb, who he can be that move around guy. He could play in a slide, he could play outside, he can be your gimmick guy. He could be your

all around wide receiver. And then you have Gallup who, hopefully you know when he comes back from injury maybe two three games into the season, he's your bona fide outside receiver. So you got to figure out a way to get that. I think that slot type receiver that can work in between those those numbers and those hashes and can get you some of these cool quarterback friendly kind of like a Beasley situation. And I feel like you can find a plethora of those in this draft.

You don't have to go early to find a guy like that. You can address those trenches with our skill position. We can found a receiver later on in the draft. I promise you he'll be just as productive as if we found a guy in a version second. And there's some talented receivers in this draft that they're really extremely talented. But I will tell you this, and I've done this

before pass drafts. I haven't done it yet, Peter, but go back to where you see five or six receivers go in the first round, and then look at the number of those receivers. Of the five or six guys who actually work out, it's a low number, very low. You got maybe one or two. It's a low number.

You're gambling very high. You probably and I have to run the analytics and statistics on it, but it's probably closer to a standard deviation of getting a better interior player be offense or defense that works out for you in the earlier round than a receiver. It's just tough because going back to the variables quarterback system, there's just different things. Man to go into that thing as a whole and that receiver. It's not just you know, this is who I gotta block. I gotta lineup and I

gotta block this guy. You gotta read defenses. They're in zone, they're in man. Then if they're in zone, that makes your route do this. If they're a man, you gotta do this with your route. So it's a lots of big time learning curve from college to NFL. You know, now the days are getting these receivers and these air raid offenses where they just line up and hike the ball. You gotta run a specific route now when you get

to the National Football League. I mean there's a lot to understand with running routes and what to do at the top of your route to get a defensive back off of you. I mean, it's reading defenses. There's a lot that go into it. So I think it's harder, like you said, to come in as a skill position as a receiver and get quality snaps versus an interior guy, like an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman, where they got one specific job either block this dude or beat

that dude on the block. And the missing on a wide receiver just does so much damage. You just look at Philadelphia and what's happened with Jail. They had to go spend the number on a number one pick the next year on a receiver for a while, two of them, all right, So instead of you getting Jefferson, you took Raker. So now you gotta go spend another pit. You gotta move up in the draft, give a third to go get a receiver. And that's that's where you said you

miss on that thing. Man. Oh it can. It can hurt you. It can roll down hill quickly, right it can. It can. It can be hard on you. Man. So that's why I'm like, man, if I'm an miss I'm missing somebody on the inside here, because, like you said, you got skill, You got guys out there that can get the job done. To me, we just gotta show up that offensive line. So let me take this in

a Mike McCarthy Terry Church. So many times when a player is either in the last year of a deal or a player seems to understand, Hey, I've got this contract, but we know it becomes a what have you done for me lately? Are you living up to your version of the contract. Sometimes guys give you some really good performances under that pressure. You know, pressure, what you know, you squeeze orange, what you get? You get orange juice,

you get what's inside. Pressure makes diamonds. What if Mike McCarthy gives you something this year that's really because he has to know you. Come on, baby, you read the t league. Oh, he sees it. They might not be saying it to your face, but you can see what's going on out here, right. You see the landscape. So you do have control over this right now? Yeah, you know this is Sean Paynton been higher yet. You know Dan Quinny got the job yet, So you still have

an opportunity to turn this thing. You're away. They call it a proven year, right, You see it all the time with players. They take those one year, prove it years and we'll see what happens there. Joe Flacco Baltimore, maybe a couple of years ago, he had one year left on his rookie deal, goes out there, wins the Super Bowl Spore deal. He said, Nah, that ain't it. I think I'm an elite quarterback. We're out there one Super Bowls and one Super Bowl MVP and a quarterback.

Because I also think of it this way, if you're Mike McCarthy, Yeah, clearly he doesn't feel that that he's done. He feels like he's got more years coaching. Yeah. So so let's say you have another year where you win the division and maybe they make a change. But if you've won the division, you've had two years in a row where you've got you're you're somebody else out there is going to see you right right, So there's a lot here. That's the one I thought about. Man, there's

a lot for Mike here, there is a lot. And if I'm Mike, and if I'm if this is this is my one year proved, pressure makes diamonds. I can't bust on this situation. I'm calling plays, I'm going down. If I'm going down, I'm going down swinging. I can't go down for somebody else calling to run when I wanted it to be a pass or vice versa. If this is if the if I'm pushing all my chips in the middle for this one season. I gotta be the guy making these calls. Now, I'll come back and

hit you. Because he talked a little bit about it. He had said, Hey, when you're calling plays, there's just so much of you that's not involved in the rest of the team. And he wants to be involved in the rest of the team. Being involved in the rest of the team. I mean, are you sprinkle here and there, But at the end of the day, you're not really putting your suggestion out there. You're just helping everybody else

out Like, and you're the head guy. I'm like Mac, I gotta put all my chips on the on the side of the ball that they brought me here to do to do things with, and that's the offensive side of the football. And if I'm him, you know, like you got dan Quinn over there, Hey, this is your defense right now. I understand that you might be next in line to get this job if I fail, But this is your defense. You got to go out there

and make it do what it do. I'm gonna handle this officer side of the ball and do what I do best. And I supposedly called players because I was in the lab. I was in the lab while I was out. So hopefully he can come back here. But like you said, no, this is gonna be an extremely pressure field year for him, and you know, hopefully he's able to come in there and meet the table and hopefully's able to rise to the occasion, because like you said, if he doesn't and he has a mediocre year, I

can see him out of here. I can see it. I think we're gonna get a real He's you know, he's from Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. He'll he'll have the chip he got him. He may have an Orlando Scandrick size chip now that Scandrick size chip coming into this year. How can you not feel disrespected if you're like, oh, you gotta feel extremely I mean, you got guys over here talking about didn't understand all. Yeah, so I'm paid. I mean, he's a hell of the coach. Now I'm still here.

I'm still coaching. I just I might not have done a long run in the playoffs, but I got this team to the playoffs. We turned it all the way around. For when I first arrived here and you over here talking about Sean Payton, dan Quinn, I mean, he had a lot of suitors out there I'm the head coach. Like it's got to he's got to feel some sort of disrespect from this whole this whole translation the rich Eisen interview he gave it. I mean, really the interview.

I need to see Mike McCarthy on to really give us the whole thing. And he need to go to the red table. You need to go to Jayden entanglement. You want the tea spill, go to the red That's where he needs to get on next Jaya. I don't know if you do football coaches, but please please bring Mike mc you get all the tea that I mean, really, man, that's where he needed to be. He need to be on. He needs to be on a little get everything all the back behind the scenes and what's going on, how

he really thinks about painting and everything. It's gonna it's gonna come out, come on that red table, is what Jerry had to say in It's a radio show. I mean, I'm telling you then you got I mean who we're telling man, red table talking and Jada and Mike McCarthy.

It means entanglements and every types of it. Yes, it would be very very good, but like you said, it's gonna be extremely because I mean, what type of work conditions are that knowing you know your replacement right, you know, he might be right next to you in the in the coaches meetings. You got Sean Payton looming over your head. And if he gets on TV eventually, who knows, he might go talk and cowboys are struggling over there, you know. But McCarthy, he doesn't really you know, I don't know.

So it's just a whole bunch of pressure just mounted on top of his shoulders. And like you said, hopefully he can rise to the occasion. Hey, look, if it's one thing we've seen over you know, talk about tea being spilt, um, it's a shot. Peyton is a wanted guy. Steven Ross was ready to go ahead and bring in Tom Brady and hire Sean Payton and give up assets to the Saints. And so look, you're gonna have to give up assets to get him because there's a contract.

So if Stephen Ross's sitting up here ready to do it until flora Is hit him with the lawsuit, there's gonna be more people looking for Sean Payton. So even though he retired, they still got to like pay that contract. If they want him to come back, Well, they own the rights. Oh okay, I didn't know that, man. They own the right. So when Brett Farve tried to come back that he wanted to sign Minnesota, be like, no,

we got your rights. We're not trade. We're not going to trade you to Minnesota State sent into the Jets. You're not even be an NFC. He was sending you over here. Even if you were to half have you retired, it was just slating. Nope, Ron came back Tampa. Tampa had to trade to make a trade in the wing. Ye, so so they got the rights. Otherwise you imagine how many people we retired from the NF come right back. I'm dudes, do you play Jacksonville? You wouldn't retire. I'm out.

That's what we're doing. I'm out conflince here, I'm out later back right. Do you know how raggedy the league? That's all you had to do, castle Tom Brady forty days. I'm back. I'm back, popping up over here somewhere. You know, they have to have those contracts and play. Brother, you have agents and teams if you retire will come get you. That's all you gotta do. Just get up out of here. Deshaun Watson would have been retired. How long that is? That is true? A lot of castle Baker Mayfield retired

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the Cowboys playing to take in every year. Man, when the Cowboys do their draft and there's a bunch of the names are already in here, so you can be the smartest fan in the room. Players last bot to you by hotels dot com. He's buried churches scrug. Danny McCrae with to day off, So you're right. Talk about Baker may fo had. I had this conversation with a Suoner fan just last week. I said, first off, just give me that clip from the Fresh Press. Win Smith

was mad about his daddy. Who man, Baker put it out there for the coach. I want to go to the coach and they've got mad ride. Why I don't. Nobody won't be right because you owed eighteen million dollars a year stays the state price. Man, eighteen million dollars. Man, ain't gonna that mean I ain't gonna just bat your eye had right, So eighteen million dollars and we know the Browns can't pay you eighteen million dollars this year. May so they're in lies the whole rub of things, man.

And this is what's so frustrating when I hear about DeVante Parker gets traded to New England for five, I mean four three? And why did you get a Cooper for five? Even in my man Clarence Hill Dog team put that out there. I'm like, folks, because it's about deadlines. So I've been I've been studying this in my negotiation TCU. So once everybody in the league knew there was a deadline that you had to meet or Cooper was getting

twenty million dollars, you lost the leverage. I want a three man, you got three days you could take this file, right, you got you got three days, or you gonna had to pay this dude a whole twenty meal. So you bet to take this five. I got this five for you. What you're gonna do with it? What you write, what you're gonna do, and nobody else will do it because everybody knew, hey man, you gotta pay this guy if you don't millions, right, and you don't want to pay

the twenty million, So they're in lies. The ability to make the deal happen. People gotta understand the battner your best alternative to a negotiate it out agreem and no siate degree, which means what's your bottom line? What is your what is the thing you're most interested in. If you're the Cowboys, getting Cooper's twenty million off your kick it off the books. That is the most important thing to you, not getting a three, not getting a two.

It's we don't want to pay twenty million dollars because it's guarantee. Because if we pay this dude twenty million dollars, we can't keep other people. So we've got to get money. Everybody else knows this, man, It ain't They ain't the only ones that new that. Everybody knows this. So when I when I see different media folks coming out there, we Cooper only got for five because of the leverage man that Stephen Jones has always said this to the

deadlines to make deals. That's true, because everybody knew you had to sit around here pay him twenty million and didn't want because you just said you didn't want to do it. Is everything. Dude, you didn't advertise somebody you don't want to do it. Should have captaining. But that's another story for another situation. But so that's the issue there.

Now you go back to Baker Mayfield, everybody in the league knows you can't pay him eighteen million dollars what's his deadline for what's the what's the deadline for that bottom line you want to get you what you want to do by June first is get the cut so you can split it up into you know, write it off over two years, over two years to that lump summit. Yeah, right, so we know you don't want you're not trying to pay Baker Mayfield eighteen million dollars and paid the Shot

Watson back up and you signed a backup quarterback, Jakobe Brissette. Yeah, so how many quarterbacks you're trying to pay doesn't be the whole Yeah, no, nothing for nobody else. So why are you trading for Baker Mayfield? Anybody don't do that? Now, the Washington Commanders would have been wiser to trade for him than that old mess they got in all they gave up a Carson Wentz. But hey, it's the command they gonna it's what they gonna find a way to

mess things up. That's what they wandering in the desert when it comes to a quarter for bad for Roma. But you know that's what it is. You signed up for it. He signed up for the deal. At some point I say no, say no, Ron, tell him no, the a just wonder back man, Like I said, man Z Patrick, you you all did that. You all did that to yourself. This is true. So people knowing that Baker Mayfield's gonna come free, why am I gonna pay game?

I give him premium for it? And why do I want to give a pick for a guy who I don't know if he's that good? I see the average quarterback okay, and I want to pay. I want to give up picks for you versus Hey man, you want a spot, come on down here, battle for one. If you're Pete Carroll, Hey man, I'm on a pick I take. I'd take him over Drew Lock over the seattle. So like, hey man, you know I played with short dudes before. Woman Little Doe was like, you want to get you

some or not, but I ain't given. I ain't paying him eighteen. Well no, you're not paying eighteen, not without incentives. Hey man, here's here's ten playoffs, here's ten and then we'll incentivise you right for us again, the negotiations where you sit around here that I'm learning so much. That's what you do. Man, if you play X and that ont of games, you get this bonus you, you know. I mean, there's a whole bunch of things you can put into the contract to incentivize him to get him

back to the eighteen millions. But also if you're him, hey man, Seattle has been a winning program with a good head coach who's won with quarterbacks of your stature. So for Baker Mayfield, that could be a very positive results. And if I'm set, I would feel very good if he got out of the open market. I can make a deal for Baker Mayfieldeah, yeah, it could be done. So so there's there's places to go. But no, I'm not gonna pay. I'm not gonna give up a draft pick.

Nor am I gonna pay eighteen million dollars for the guy. It doesn't you don't have to. And he's too much of a presence too that that kind of hurt him as well, just being that he always got to say something, you know, like some some casters, you know, hey man, you just let kind of roll off their shoulder, and not not with this dude. He gonna he gonna say something, which is why I go back to why Dak Prescott is such a good football player and such a good

guy for this team. Yeah, if you wanted to be a talker. A lot of people listen, will let you talk. Oh yeah, mics in front of you, right right. And that's why I have a lot of respect for him, the way he handles the job. Where he goes about you don't see him doing a whole lot of talking here. And that was where Baker got into trouble. You did way too much talking before you know. You gotta delivering twelve progressive commercials before he did anything in the league,

you know. And I don't have an issue with that, but at some point in time, you had to back up what you're doing, ye house, And when management felt like, hey man, you're immature. Do they say we want an adult that quarterback? Your wife fall up here on the on the ground. That's another thing. He can't try to sit up here and basically say other people on the team need to fight with the heart he had. Then he was talking about other cats money back in the

day with Duke Johnson. I said, that's the one of the biggest known knows. You can do it a lot. You had the stuff with you and Jackson. Just stuff that done after right. The organ they don't want this, they don't want this Hugh Man. Another guy who doesn't get enough credit for how he handled himself was Eli Manning oh Man. Eli never gave you anything and that and that type of media I don't live it in

New York. I mean the scrutiny he was getting the two towns who bowl champ and he was still getting it, and he never went on threels. So that's something that Baker's got to learn, and maybe Pete Carroll is the kind of coach that'll give it to him. You're also out there off in Seattle. It takes your minute to get to Seattle. People are flocking there to Seattle. Not a lot of you know, not a lot of prime time.

It's you know, so you don't have a whole lot of huge media presents in terms of as they do it in New York or Philadelphia either right here with the Cowboys, So that would be I think Baker may feel maybe helped to go to a place it's kind of remote market, head coach who can help him and guide him along the way, who knows how to deal with that, and a season coaches won a Super Bowl.

So maybe Baker can get something there. But you know, he's got his own issues here and and you know he'd be wise to chat with someone like Dak Prescott. How do you deal with it? Because Dak is a model citizen of what you should be. When you got that much scrutiny on you, you have his wife talked to Tad Prescott how to tweet? How to tweet your anger and displeasure without going over the line, tiptoeing it right, Just give him a little bit of give a little smoke,

not all the smaller a little smoke. Hey, that is uh, that's the players, that perfect way to jazz. We appreciate you feeling it for cresh um yo church man fun. We'll get McCree back here sooner or later. Thanks everybody for checking out the place out back with you next Monday. I'm off to Rangers opening day. Yes, park Man, he got offense, got some cloud cover to He's good. That's indoor now, that is right. You gotta worry about man,

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