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and bundled plans. Find one for you at curiosity stream dot com. Welcome to the Piked and Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio and Katie Studios. It's been one year since eight members of the Roden family were found murdered in Pike County. Now, surviving members of the family have released of lead for information. A year after eight members of the Rodent family were ruthlessly gunned down in their homes, Ohio authorities are on a relentless search for the killers.

Over eight hundred tips have been called into police of the people of Pike County that day. We're not leaving until we've solved it. Many different facets of law enforcement collaborated to crack the case. The people that carried it out, we're trying to do everything they could to make sure that they didn't get caught. Law enforcement officials began tracking down a series of leads that point them to another

group of potential suspects, the Wagners. The wagon shops and local walmarts for ammunition, magazine, cliff and materials to build grass catchers. According to the case indictment, the Wagners began conducting what seems to be almost like reconnaissance on the Rodents. What do you mean a camera was there? Was it connected to something? I still do this day wonder why she mentioned that and why that conversation wasn't allowed to go any further. The revelations leave those closest to the family,

questioning their innocence. I know he was upset. Was he upset because she had been murdered? Or was upset because he's done it? This is the Pikedon Massacre, Episode six. The investigation. In this episode, we're going to dive into law enforcements, investigation, into the road and murders, how the Wagner's allegedly pulled off this gruesome massacre and why. I'm Courtney Armstrong and I work at Katie Studios with Stephanie

Ladecker and Jeff Shane. We produced a documentary about the case for NBC Universal's Oxygen Network in twenty nineteen and have been following the evolution of the investigation since then. To understand the crime and the possible motivation of the family that may have committed it, we want to look at the months leading up to the murders and authorities movements after. By any objective standard, it was a long,

arduous investigation spanning two full years. During that time, many different facets of law enforcement, the FBI, the DA, the Pike County Sheriff's Office, and the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation all collaborated to crack the case. Police received over eleven hundred tips, They conducted over five hundred interviews, tested about seven hundred pieces of evidence, served close to two hundred church warrants, subpoenas and other things. So this was

something that was huge. That's Mike Gallen, a defense attorney, former Ohio County prosecutor, and legal analyst for Cincinnati news station Fox nineteen. The Attorney General Dwine at the time said it was a pretty sophisticated operation and the people that carried it out, we're trying to do everything that they could to make sure that they didn't get caught.

Attorney General Dwine and Sheriff Reader, they both said that the investigation was going to be a long one and a lengthy process, and Boyd sure has played out that way. But how exactly did investigators circle in on the Wagners as suspects and eventually compile enough evidence to make arrests. In previous episodes, we discussed some of the conflicts between the Wagners and the Rodens. In twenty sixteen, there was a custody battle between Jake Wagner and Hannah Roden and

a physical altercation between Billy Wagner and Chris Roden. Senior. It seemed like the relationship between the two families was reaching a fever pitch and the months leading up to the murders. But these two families didn't always have such ill will towards one another. Here's journalist Jeff Winkler. I think early on people wanted to paint the sort of few between the Rodens and Wagners and something like the Hatfields of McCoys, just because it was sort of heels

of Appalachia blackwoods and kind of thing. But I it really wasn't lighted right like people like to say the Hatfields and McCoy's. But I think they were probably closer and friendlier than that version of it, right, Yeah, they I mean the fact that they were family most just sipilating their time between the two houses. The fact that, you know, the Wagner's had been in the area for a long time as well, just as the Rodents had. It's just you had two families who were intertwined by

both blood and work. We got some more intimate observations from Deray. She's Billy Wagner's cousin and Frederica Wagner's niece. Deray spoke to Jeff about how she saw the relationship between her family and the Rodents. Do you know anything about Billy and Chris Roden Senior. My aunt said that they were very good friends, and of course he was the grandfather of Sophia, and so was Billy. Billy is Sophia's grandfather. I mean, it's like they're in lass. They're related.

I mean they're two grandfathers and the same little girl. She's adorable. Did Angela and Dana got along in the same way? Do you know? It looked to me like they were clearly getting along. And she never said anything

bad about the Rodents. She never spoke one negative thing about it, just about the children about you know, they went fishing and they were over at Frederiquez and you know, small talk, right, like normal talk you'd have with another mom about raising kids, right exactly, and it's just like

that's all it is. It's just family talk. We of course know that Hannah and Jake Wagner had an intense relationship, but through the ups and downs, most would say they were in love and their relationship brought the two families together.

Here's producers Stephanie. When we started doing our research, I personally became a bit obsessed with better understanding the intersection between these two families and really struggle with the motivation what could possibly cause one family, the Wagoners, to allegedly murder eight people that they knew so well they knew them Intimately, we came across a photograph taken in twenty twelve at George Wagner, the eldest son's wedding, and the

Rodens and the Wagners are both in this photo seemingly so happy. The only person not there is Dana Rodin, and she said to maybe be taking the photo because she later posted it on her MySpace page. But it's mind blowing. The people in the photo do not look like killers posing with there would be victims, but sure enough, in four years, the majority of the people in this picture would be dead and the others would be standing

trial for their deaths. Throughout this series, we've been talking to a relative of the Wagners who's chosen to remain anonymous. She spoke to Jeff about her family's reaction in the wake of the Roden murders. What was the feeling like in the family after that happened. Angela was upset because

it was the mother of her granddaughter. She was just really sad, you know, that that had happened, I thought, And I was telling him like, I'm so sorry, you know, like if there's anything I can do, please tell me. And Angela she did ask me m at one point, probably about a month after the murders had happened, if I could come down and pick up Lafia and Jake and Kake Satia to a friend's house and stuff. So I did, and in that time, we you know, me

and Jacob said. He and in the car and he was an absolute rick rank And of course I did not know. I didn't know how to react. I didn't know what to ask him. I didn't know what to say. I was kind of just letting him just have his moment. And he was absolutely devastated. I mean, he couldn't talk, he couldn't breathe he was having like a football page attack in my car. And I'm like, oh my gosh,

you know, like I don't know what to say. So of course, when I find out that they were the ones to done this, um, I keep thinking back to that time and you know, in the car and I'm like, oh my gosh, like I know, he was upset. But was he upset for you know, all right reasons? I guess was he upset because she had been murdered? Or was uet because you know, he's done it and he knew. I don't know. It was just an awful, eerie feeling.

It really truly was Pike County massacre. It's the title of what has happened out here, the tragedy that we've been covering. The victims ranged in age from sixteen to forty four. Each were shot anywhere from once to nine times. It's just, you know, a grizzling scene in a bristling situation. Let's rewind to summer twenty fourteen. Hannah and Jake's daughter,

Sophia is eight months old. Here's producer Stephanie. This is why this case is so complicated, because just when I think the Wagners could be innocent, I read something like this. Around this time. According to the case indictment, the Wagners began conducting which seems to almost be like reconnaissance on the Rodent family. For the course of the next two years. They allegedly began hacking into the rodents personal computers, their phones,

even their social media accounts. They even reportedly use surveillance cameras to spy on the Rodents. But why would they do that, Especially, according to most accounts, Jake and Hannah were very much still dating and very much in love at this time, So why would they be spying. Was Angela Wagner the mom obsessed with her youngest son, Jake Wagner's relationship with Hannah Rodin. Were the dads Chris Rodin

or Billy Wagner Senior embroiled in something big? Were the Wagner's simply trying to get familiar with the family patterns and better understand the Rodin property? Why would they possibly be spying. Here's investigative reporter Jodie Barr. He's talking about a conversation he had with Kendra Roden, the daughter of one of the victims, Kenneth Roden. Rod brought up with me in our discussions, she mentioned a few times that

they were cameras set up around Chris Senior's home. Wow, so Kendra Rodin actually saw cameras on the property that now it seems as if allegedly the Wagners had put there. Yeah, she told me that at Christian Years Home that there was a camera home that property, and she said it was in sort of a not in the wooded area, but sort of the field, like it hadn't been mowed, but it was right near the garage of Christian Years Home.

And of course naturally you start questioning her about the cameras and you know, what do you mean a camera was there? What was it connected to something? Did you did you look? Did you try to investigate? It was a very strange encounter, you know, when she mentioned that and then the conversation wouldn't no further. Well, she was probably scared, right, possibly, I mean, but she's talking to

a reporter. That was always something that I've wondered about because she never got an answer to and it was so strange and I still to this day wonder why she mentioned that and why that conversation wasn't allowed to go any further. Yeah, what I find so like the most screwed up thing about it is at that time, summer in twenty fourteen, is when Jake Wagner and Hannah rode in were like hot and heavy and planning a wedding.

And to know that he was then also sort of maybe planning her murder at the same time, or starting to at least spy on her in some way. It's like just very dark. I mean, there's a lot of interest obviously still in this case. And you know, with every criminal prosecution, you know, the state they have their version of facts and the defense will have its virgent of facts. But if this turns out to be true, man, what a story. I mean, what a terribly tragic ending

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and sign up today. It seems that the Wagoners became obsessed with getting soul custody of Sophia after Jake and Hannah broke up, But how exactly did they think they would gain control? As laid out in the indictment, the Wagoners began methodically plotting a scheme that would take several months to actually carry out. Here again is Jodi Barr.

So when you read these indictments, you know they were talking about the Wagoners movements even months before these murders happened, and that the investigators believe that they were planning this for quite some time before that. The indictment says that the Technos League that planning began January one of twenty sixteen, the murders happened April of twenty sixteen, so you've got four months of planning that's alleged to have happened here,

four months to plan this out. I mean, if that's every day for four months, that's the full time job. So what exactly went into the planning? In previous episodes, we talked about how in April twenty sixteen, the Wagner's presented Hannah Roden with custody documents. But what Hannah didn't know then and what police later uncovered, is that the supposedly legal documents were fake and that Angela Wagner's mother, Rita Joe Nucam, was allegedly at the center of the deception.

I spoke to my Gallan about it. So Rita Joe numb Angela's mom, she faces three counts of forgery, a kind of perjury, and she's a notary. Can you speak to like what power does a notary have or how does that come into play? In Ohio? Notaries don't have a lot of power. They are allowed, obviously to odorized signatures. You know, they have to make sure that the oath is administered properly. When they are notarizing something they're kind

of hard to come by here in Ohio. But I'm certain that because of this, she'll probably lose that notary's license, if she hasn't already. Moving forward a bit in time, prosecutors ultimately claimed that Rita lied about the authenticity of these documents to a grand jury, but in an unexpected twist, Nwcombe agreed to a plea deal with the prosecution. She pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of obstructing official business in exchange felony charges of forgery and perjury were dismissed.

Here's Newcomb's speaking in court. I just feel that it's not a good thankful and it's difficult to hear her because of the recording, but she says, I just feel that it's not a good Christian thing to lie, and I couldn't live with it no more. Jodi Barr thinks there could be ulterior motives Newcomb's deal. The prosecutor said in court, though, that a hand writing expert concluded that

Rita Newcombe did not sign the documents herself. Newcombe admitted to falsely telling a grand jury and investigators that she did so only because her daughter, Angela Wagner, who was among those charged with the killings, told her to do so. I mean there were some heavy charges dismissed, you know, where investigators trying to squeeze the grandmothers to get some information out of them. Mike Allen seems to think so.

Now there's a lot of speculation, and in the normal case, the first thing you'd think of is Okay, you know, they gave her a reduced charge in return for cooperation, and I would not be surprised if that's not the case. But again, you know, we won't know until we get closer to trial. Can you be compelled to testify for the prosecution? Sure, I mean they received a subpoena unless there's some kind of legal reason why you know they couldn't. Yeah,

I mean the prosecutor could issue the subpoena. If there's testimony, the prosecutor would probably ask the court designate that person as a hostile witness and then they can use leading questions. According to court records, the documents appointed a guardian Frigid and Hannah's daughter in the event of their deaths. When police later searched the Wagner home, this document was found in a box belonging to Angelo Wagner labeled important stuff.

I asked Mike Allen about the legal ramifications of these forged documents. How does it appear that these documents were forged on April third? It was nineteen days before the murders. I'll tell you what, I've been doing this for a long time and I've never seen anything like this. It's strong evidence for the prosecutor. The defense attorney has to find a way to explain that, a way which is probably next to impossible. But yeah, that's strong evidence from

a prosecutor's perspective. As we've discussed before, it was around this time that Chris Roden Senior and Billy Wagner got into a fight as well. Here's Mike Allen recapping that confrontation. Back in mid April two thousand and sixteen, Supposedly there was a fight between Chris Senior and Billy Wagner. Nobody seems to know what the fight was about or what caused it. Things were obviously becoming strained between the two families, but the beginning of April also brought a lot of

joy for the Roden family. That month, Hannah celebrated her nineteenth birthday. Here's Roden family friend Stephane. It was a happy occasion, you know, it was family get together and lots of fun, you know, because they were fun. They were always having you know, get together's, birthday parties, anything like that. They were a great family unit. But as the Roden family was celebrating, the Wagners allegedly were busy

planning their murders. The Wagner has already had a cachet of firearms, but around this time they began making their own silencers. If the Wagners did do it, it seems likely that these would have been used on the night of the murders. The family also bought ammunition, a magazine clip, a bug detector, and materials to build brass catchers. Jodie Barr filled us in on what some of this equipment is used for. The brass catcher is a bag that

hooks on the side of a firearm. It will catch spent cartridges, so every time you pull this trigger, cartridges is ejected. And if you were really interested in not leaving anything behind as far as ballistic evidence, this sounds like a great story. This bag will collect the shell casing, so there's no evidence left. Behind the bug detector, so purely that helps someone find listening devices and sometimes create

white noise to muscle sounds or discussion. The indictment also includes a reference to a specific pair of shoes that the family purchased from Walmart. But why would they need a particular pair of shoes to pull off from murder? Here's Stephanie. One such theory is that the Wagoners were trying to frame Danta Roden's brother, James Manley. He's significant because if you recall, Dana Roden's sister, Bobby Joe, made the first discovery of bodies and called nine one one.

She also called her brother, who rushed to Dana Roden's house and also found their bodies. His prints were allegedly at the crime scene. However, just one day before the murders, the Wagoners drove two and a half hours to a specific Walmart to buy a particular pair of boots. They're seen on surveillance buying these boots and then the same kind of boots known to be worn by James Manley. Why would they do that? Here's reporter Jodie Barr from

the dyingment. I mean, there's a lot of assertion by the prosecution that they have evidence that, you know, these boots were purchased to James Manley, a family member for the murder, and that James lived the closest to Dana, and that James ended up being one of the first to discover Dana and you know in Hannah's bodies that morning, right.

So the idea is that they went and bought these specific boots knowing that James Manley wore them, and then they would in theory wear them the night of the murder. So it looks to police like he was the one walking around, and it sounds like for a period of time investigators might have believed that to be the case, because James Manley was one of the first people brought

in and interrogated given a polygraph. I mean, if you're to believe what's written in that indictment, it sounds like they may have been pretty close to pulling this all on. It was so detail oriented. Yeah, and you and you wondered this too. It's like it seemed like a lot of details planning to preplan that. I don't really know

what to think of it. Again, I don't know anybody who's capable of doing that and we know it happened pulled off by somebody, But I mean, if they really bought boots to try to frame James manly Man again, this is a heck of a story. Who drinks this up? Who thinks this up? In April twenty sixteen, the same week as Hannah's birthday, her mother Dana, threw a baby shower to celebrate the upcoming birth of her new baby girl, Kylie. It would be the last time the Rodent family all

gathered in one place. Becky Ryder was a close friend of Dana Roden's. She told Jeff about the excitement surrounding the baby's arrival. Dana felt overwhelmed with joy, happiness. I guess she's getting another grand baby that she can love and spoil. She always loves her grandkids, if yeah, deeply? Yeah, And like Hannah must have been happy too, because she was. She had a new boyfriend at that point who was not Jake Wagner, and she was about to have a new baby and kind of start a new chapter of

her life. Right, Oh yeah, absolutely. In photos from this event, Hannah smiles with her daughter Sophia. We also see other family members in the photo, including Frankie and his fiance Hannah Gilly. In just a few days, eight members of the Rodent family would be dead. But Deray's recollection of the events leading up to the birth of Kylie is different. She says at that point that things were still going

well between Jake and Hannah. I believe they may have disagreements, and I think there was disappointments, but I don't think there was any any hate. We've discussed in previous episodes how the people have pikedon were immediately affected by the murders and the shroud of fear that hovered over the small town. I just don't understand why happened here. He has a really wondering thing, like, is so like mafia or anything like that, because it's just crazy. If I

lived down there, I wouldn't stay there. I would be so afraid. But in the wake of the murders, many news outlets were portraying Jake Wagner as almost a sympathetic figure. This is how the Cincinnati Inquirer describes him in a July twenty sixteen article, A full time single dad with mounting legal bills, with a new job that pays half of what he was making to ensure he is close to Sophia, but close still means the twenty three year old makes a daily commute to Cincinnati, a two and

a half hour daily drive. Anybody was connected to this family, you know, there was a lot of emotion from the public involved your because of these children. So it's no surprise that Jake, you know, a lot of people felt for Jake. I mean, he's left there with that very young daughter and he's deciding to get her back. But it's what the family did in the wake of the

murders that raised some suspicion. We know that just six days after the Rodents were killed, Jake Wagner filed for custody of two and a half year old Sophia, his daughter with Hannah Rodin. In a previous episode, we talked to Ohio criminal defense attorney Mike Allen about how this looks from a legal perspective. That's extremely strong evidence for the prosecution. I mean, six days, less than a week

after the killings to go ahead and file. It can take months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more, a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly at all. And I think that that is going to be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it that quickly after the murders. It was around the same time that Angela Wigner suggested her son create a go fund Me campaign to help cover the custody expenses to

the tune of twenty thousand dollars. Jake wrote a personal message on the page, saying these were not expenses I was supposed to have. I was just supposed to be able to spend time with her and give her a happy childhood. Sophia and I are just asking enough to settle the fees that we acquired due to the horrific tragedy to her mommy. He finished, I hate seeing my daughter cry. We want to get our lives back. But these legal actions seemed unusual to many in the community.

He was an investigative reporter. Jodi Barr. I do remember seeing that in the Rodent massacre Facebook group, you know, people talking about that, you know, they were there was a lot of angry comments about it that you know, a lot of people in those groups have already convicted

the Waggers. They already believed they did it and they're guilty, and you know, so to see that and how vocal the wagoners were on social media, it seemed to rubble people in that group the wrong way, that that was the wrong message um that they believe the Wagoners should have been sending at that point in time. But you know a lot of people saw it as the brazen um, the people wrapped up in this to make a move like that, to ask for help. Let's stop here for

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been interested in the property agents searched his farm. I guess he's a friend of the Wagoners, knew them for a long time. I guess they fixed cars together, A lot of cars on the lot. I guess Jake had stored some cars and some other things on the property. And I'll tell you what cars and vehicles and equipment

are all over these farms that have been searched. So I mean maybe something could have been hidden somewhere, as somebody must have given law enforcement a tip that there could possibly be something there, or they wouldn't have searched it. Bernard Brown was not charged with anything. Authorities searched two large trailers and took one smaller utility trailer owned by the Wagners from his property. According to Brown, Jake Wagner

sometimes worked for him fixing cars. Brown said that the Wagners had dropped items off at the property a week prior to the search. It was clear that investigators were becoming more interested in the Wagners. By the spring of twenty seventeen, the family had been interviewed several times by authorities. It should be noted that Jake and Angelo were interviewed five times, Billy three times, and George once. Deray spoke to Jeff about a conversation she had with Angela Wagner

as police narrowed in on her family. One day, she goes, I can't believe it. They just won't leave us alone. They just will not leave us alone, because it's terrible. She was We're starting to get really worried that we're going to be arrested. So they felt that coming yeah, because they wouldn't leave everybody alone. Rumors of the Wagner's potential involvement in the road and massacre quickly spread, and soon they were being targeted not only by police, but

by Pike County residents as well. Everybody had started basically attacking them the community, accusing them of murdering those people, like if they were in town and people identified their vehicle, they would throw pot bottles at them. Angela had actually went into a store one day and some woman had actually flewed up behind Angela as she was coming back out of the store and through a glass key bottle

a her and it busted her in the back. In May twenty seventeen, as the community continued to turn against them, Angela Wagner took to social media to publicly to clare her family's innocence. Here's Jeff reading from her post. Okay, I have decided to tell you all a couple of things about me and my family. What has happened to us in the past few weeks has been devastating and it will follow us for the rest of our lives. Hannah was a daughter to me. I loved her dearly.

Her laws still hurts to this day, especially when I see her every day and my granddaughter. We did not do anything to hurt Hannah's family. We want justice just like everyone else. It is real disturbing if you really want to know what you guys are doing. Your accusations now will hurt Sophia later in life when she really understands what happened. Let's try to find the real monsters

who've done this. So let's really unpack this for a moment, because if Angela Wagner is in fact a martyr and had been targeted by the town, I mean having a bottle thrown at you, if you did not commit these crimes would be hideous, especially the town that you love so much. Angela and her husband lived there for generations. That had to be really difficult. However, if they did it, they just went about their lives, speaking to the press openly.

You know, when I look at her photo, I know I've said this before, she looks like a mom, but then she's also grimacing in her mug shot, and even during her pre trial hearings, there's something sort of smug about the way she presents herself. It also makes me wonder could she possibly be at the center of this. Facing violent backlash from locals and increasing attention from authorities, the Wagners did something that left everyone and piked and stunned.

Here's Steph Winkler again. Their lawyer had said that they would be primary suspects, and so it was around that time May twenty seventeen that the whole family emptied out a few cargo facilities that they had, some sheds and whatnot, loaded all up and then up and moved to Alaska. When they left for Alaska, I was like, oh wow, they're running. And then I thought they all get away with it. I'm the one that told them go to Alaska. The suitable Ohio can not afford to extradite you from

Alaska back home. But the Wagner's relocation didn't hinder the investigation. Investigators rated three properties in Adams and Pike Counties the middle of May. We had previously reported those properties are connected to the Wagner family. Now investigators say they believe the family recently moved to Alaska. Investigators want any information the public has about the family they moved to Alaska. But then the very following month, law enforcement actually finally

searches the properties where the Wagners lived. That started to tighten the noose in terms of the Wagners. More on that next time. Reach out to us on our social media outlets with questions where on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter at piked in Massacre. We look forward to answering your questions and upcoming bonus episodes. Piked Massacre as executive produced by Stephanie Leidecker and me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound

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