The Elizabeth Journals

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live with the Wagers. I remember that they were stressed. Decisions were typically made as a group. I was making friends to leave the house immediately home of us for the book. Okay, This is the Pikes of Massacre returned to Pike County season four, episode seventeen, The Elizabeth Journals. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. As always, it's important to note that George Wagner has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges. Hours of testimony by investigators and relatives have painted a dark picture of the Wagner family and the contentious custody battle between Jake Wagner and Anna Rodin over their daughter. Today, one of the most mysterious and least known figures involved in the case takes the stand Elizabeth Armor, Jake Wagner's ex wife, who we met in Alaska. We've reached out to her before,

but had never spoken directly with her. We've only heard from Elizabeth on the occasion she posted to social media. Like Tabitha Clayton, George Wagner's ex wife, Elizabeth is one of the few people uniquely positioned to discuss the dynamics of the close knit Wagner family. The murder trial of George Wagner the fourth continued in Pike County today with new testimony from the ex wife of Jake Wagner. It was one of the most anticipated moments of George Wagner's trial.

When Elizabeth armor entered the courtroom, George Wagner's eyes followed her. He glared as she walked across the room and took her seat to be sworn in. Good morning, Good morning. Sorry nervous. I've said this before. We give it a lot of that particular chair, So we'll just speak this solo and if I say anything that you don't want to understand or the confusing question, just let me know that. Okay, can you please see dr name and started last name.

My name is Elizabeth Armor. One last name is A. R. E. R. The twenty nine year old spoke softly as she described growing up in a religiously conservative community in eastern Tennessee and what led to her move to Alaska. I grew up in all Michelite community for most of my teen years, and because of that, I did not have a high school education, since they we go to eighth grade and so from mine in from the same room that I lived on that I had kind of grown up with

a little bit. We're working with the church there in Alaska that had like a parish school, and so they had offered to help me get my high school education because I was interested in pursuing a more standard kind of lifestyle. Even though Elizabeth wanted a more traditional life, she still stayed close to her conservative religious roots and attended a fundamentalist Baptist church in Alaska where she met the Wagner's How did he come to start attending that church?

So that particular church was the church that my friends from Tennessee were attending, and that is the church which had the school as part of it. And the teachers at that school were too good weeks classes after school to help me get up to see this gd and so I was going there just you know, because my friends are Okay, we're very involved in the church about the launch getting a MDDU. I worked in the nursery sometimes, and I say the choir because I loved to sing um.

I helped one of the teachers of a like a Christmas program. This is the church for them. Okay, while you were there in Attenne Matt Church, did you come to learn or know some individuals known as the family. I did. The Wagner family moved from Ohio to Alaska in the summer of twenty seventeen, a little more than a year after the murders. Elizabeth met them through the church shortly after they arrived. And would your first encounter with one more My first memory of the Linners was

Jake and Angela. Maybe people badly, but I just remember Jake and Angela and the children walking into church, and I remember thinking they were a couple with the child. Okay, I think you have any interactions with them at that time or would accas an observation. It's just an observation, okay. And then with their another time where you had another awareness of that they're one of their, one or more

of them. So my next memory of the whatever's one so that I had come out of the nursery for taking care of the children, and I looked down the hallway and looked like Jake was at the other end in the hallway kind of noticing me, And then remember like feeling nervous. But I didn't really have experience with any kind of dating or anything like that, so I thought made him was attracted to him because I was. It was just an intense faway. Jake later found her

on Facebook and asked Elizabeth out. Despite her interest in Jake, Elizabeth told him she wasn't comfortable going out with someone she didn't know. So what happened next? So he made a point of introducing himself to me personally next time when he was at church and wanted to chat with me in the gym. Soon after Jake and Elizabeth began dating. Their life as a couple revolved around the church and the small community they lived in. Sometimes we would go

out and get meals just for local. I wasnaying with Bassood restaurants. I remember getting ice cream, him thinking for walks, and you would sometimes just go for a drive. Okay, was there a point where you learned that there were some negative information? We've already Jay and the same way, Yes, so assuring me that they're the leman started coming to

the church. The pastor of the church shut up basically in front of the church and Um, saying that he had known them in Ohio and that there was some kind of news story out about UM, and that they had been bothered by the news, and that because they'd been bothered by the news they moved to Ohio to Alaska and that we should not really pay attention to the news about them and just welcome them into the community. And did you also asked for you? Jake offered an

explanation of it as well. He did, and what did he for you? Back? He said, basically what the pastor had that his family had been had good by the news media, that they had there was some scandal where you grew up. That was I think ex girlfriend had been murdered and that people were putting him over suspicion because he had dated her, and that that was one who was the news story act. Okay, again, did you did you more? Exactly exclamations from the pastor and from Jake.

I did because the family I was loving with was ex law enforcement, and so they talked with them about it and they said that basically, if there had been any truth to these stories, they would have already been rested since it had been two years time. As Jake and Elizabeth's relationship grew more serious, Elizabeth meant more of his family. She also witnessed firsthand the family dynamics. So when they met them, basically, what I remember from going

to their house. Was that everybody was yelling. That was my imperfriend and everybody was yelling and he said there was yeah, tell me about that. Um well, just seemed like everybody was really angry and stressed and that they were all shouting. I hadn't really heard people shout that loudly in my life. Um. And I remember Jake saying that they were stressed and that you know, and getting was stressed. Okay, and Katie tell us, Um was there a point where who were relationship got a serious? Jake?

Nine months after I met him, he asked me to marry him. Initially, Jake promised Elizabeth a long engagement so they could continue to get to know each other, but according to Elizabeth, he kept changing his timeline and pressured her to marry quickly, so Jacob changing the dial wine

so like. Initially he said it would be engaged for two years, and then as time went on, he kept giving reasons why, ah, well, we have to move the data all you have to move the data, and he just kept doing that over and over and over and over, and you know, harry him in the middle of making what he plans and then suddenly I have to move and I'm busy and trying to manage everything, and he just kept my day offlah blah blah until literally it was twenty one month after and ultimately what was the

reason as to why it happy that time? He said that he was moving and that knowing basically there was break it off or coming with them, Jake told Elizabeth his entire family planned on moving to a farm in Missouri to raise camels and pigs, and that they would have to get married quickly, which they did. He tell us, what happened your wedding night? Since I grew up Polish, basically I wasn't actually elish what I grew up in

that kind of lifestyle, that community, very similar lifestyle. I had to David anybody and didn't have any experience with men, and so I had requested in no on certain terms that we not consummate marriage on that night, which Jake had averred too, but did not honor. After forcing Elizabeth to have sex on their wedding night, Elizabeth says, Jake demanded access to all of her personal information. And would you say he asked for your personal information? What kind

of personal information are you talking about? I think account access numbers, and my sols a security card numbers, my phone pass code, and at the same time, you also, like saint my phone with his so that he could see all of my calls intense. She also had to sign agreements prior or any time. Yes, I remember in Glone then asking me to sign a paper that basically my understanding was that was to keep me from trying to get custody of any event of a divorce, any what,

any event of lone divorce. Okay, you did actually sign, correct, I did. But Jake Wagner's desire to control his new wife didn't stop there on your wedding night. Did he also discuss with you that you should not have contact with the feeling He did and tell me about that. So two of my brothers um in their early childhood

and secually experimented with me. I was quite young. My family didn't have sex education, so they were both of them under the age of ten, and so the first one had kind of approached me inappropriately when I was three or four years old, and then not a lot of completely different occasions when I was abound seven years old. Because of that, Jake asked me to cut contact with my family on my wedding night, your entire family or just two stars. I remember it asked my entire family.

The day after the wedding, all of the Wagners accept its newest member, Elizabeth, left by car from Missouri A week later after sorting out her passport. Elizabeth joined the entire family Jake, George, Angela, Billy, and the children living in one small, cramed hotel room. Elizabeth was horrified at the living situation and tried to leave, but when she left the overcrowded hotel room to call her brother for help, Jake found her and brought her back. So when I

got back to the hotel room, everybody was agitated. Angela, George, Jake that kind of confronted me about having left the room by myself, And I said that it wasn't really safe for me to leave the room by myself because news reporters might be, you know, bother me, or I need to talk to any more something like that than I needed to only room with some with me. The Wagner's time in Missouri was short, even though Jake promised Elizabeth they would never move back to Ohio because of

the news coverage and the police investigation. The family returned a few days after failing to find a farm in Missouri. I was unhappy about it because Jaco basically promised me we were never going back to Ohio because of the news story. But after being in the hotel for days on it, I thought anything might be better. That's okay. Life in Ohio was just as cramped and chaotic as ever, with the entire Wagner family living under one roof, tensions

were always near a boiling point. Can you describe to as the family guardianics when you were living there? With that? Between Jake and George and Angela, probably they back with each other. How are decisions made all that? Okay? So? Can? Usually interactions were strength as far as I remember, they were usually highly stress and emotional angry um Again, the shadow continued. The decisions were typically made as a group, so they would discuss what they're going to do communism

and then that's how anybody would do. They make group decisions. Though she was now a member of the Wagner family, Elizabeth was often asked to leave the room. Angela and George Wagner particularly did not trust her. Can you tell us about those discussions weird with her? How did her. Usually they would happen in the kitchen. Um I wasn't

usually asked to join them. I just remember that I would hear people discussing things in the kitchen, and because it was so loud, hear people talking all about what they're going to do, what their plans were, um, how they were going to answer certain questions where people ask them, how have we done in certain finances? All that in the kitchen. So those were the general ties you hear the assess they were talking about finances, how they would

answer media questions. I think of that whole they were mentioning BCLI questions or police questions about the children, are about their clothes of shoes? Are angeris about the children? Yeah, okay, here's Stephanie and Jeff. She makes mention of growing up kind of amish like in her words, and I assume that means that she was a bit insulated and that she was maybe raised in a bit of a bubble.

And on the one hand, that would make her a prime target for a family of predators because she's potentially naive and unaware of the outside world. And on the other side of that, we've also heard rumors that some of the Wagoners were very paranoid that she was working for law enforcement from day one, and they just didn't trust her. So the fact that she's opted in to be recorded and have video to tell her story is

dremely big and very brave. Obviously, we can't know what she's feeling, but to face George Wagner in court and to put her face and likeness out there. I think says a lot about where she is. It's also interesting Steph. Obviously we don't know what George Wagner was feeling, but we do know that he rarely looks up or shows any sort of emotion, and he definitely looked up at Elizabeth and almost looked like he was glaring, and he

then tracked her as she walked into the courtroom. So if we're trying to surmise what he might be feeling, he definitely has some strong feelings about the fact that she's testified. One discussion stuck out. Elizabeth remembered the Wagners talking about creating a bulletproof bulldozer to knock down prison walls if any of the Wagner's landed in jail, and she remembered them talking about key aspects of the investigation,

tell us what discussion did you hear about. I mostly remember them talking about pensions and saying something about like something A thought Angela and had bought tennis shoes her Walmart, but that was ridiculous because they wore boots, and they kind of like impressed that only multiple times, like do you think even buying tennis shoes and boots because we

were boots and they mentioned it multiple times. Going back to your living with the Wagers, didn't you whatever had conversations with you about the sexual relations you were having with Jake and yes, okay, And can you remember what she what specification discussed? So I remember her asking if Jake and I were trying to have childs and telling me that it wasn't a good time for to have your child. And I remember her asking if Jakie and I had sexual relations with room, and I remember her

suggesting that that was inappropriate. And I remember jakeing my having that discussion, and I remember telling him that I did not think it was appropriate and that he did not listen. So you basically read that as a great reate. Yes, can you expect that, Jake? Yes, Aela ever a huge of things we already, I went, yes, if I remember,

it was food poisoning. She const me above TI intentionally food poisoned the children, And was there a time when she yes, there was a time when it was thought to my attention, my Jake, that she said that I had inappropriately touched and can you tell us what happened as a result of that? So when Jay came to me and told me that Islam believed that I had touched inappropriately, I was also informed that because of that alviation, George wasn't comfortable with my living in the house and

then I needed to go somewhere else. I can you tell us did you ever have a conversation with both Jakie and Angela about these specific alliations and can you tell us what happened during that conversation or what we said. Elizabeth described this heated conversation as the final showdown between her and the Wagner family and the moment she knew she had to get away from them as soon as possible.

Jake so that he didn't believe I had done it, but that you know, I need to explain myself because Angela believed that I had appropriately She was acting very high mighty so this week, and I was very shocked, and I remember Jake questioning you very started me, like

did you do this? And he laid it out very clearly to me that if I had done it, that that the right thing to do would be to create Lucille the baseball bath from the Walking Dead and string me up in the barn, beat me to death with the baseball bat both was the barn, Dad, and hunt down and kill my BM. I mean, he didn't do it. If his mom would do it. If his mom didn't do it, his dad would do it, or George would

do it, or Billy or you know. He just guessed any of them would be willing to do this to Elizabeth says she went to her room, packed her bag and called a friend for help. I was making friends to leave the house immediately, right, Okay, we're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob.

He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't, he shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I

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Elizabeth Armor was determined to flee Jake and the rest of the Wagoners. Elizabeth began pushing back against the Wagner's rules, taking walks to the library and the local cemetery. She also kept a diary tural and one if you could go ahead and looking at and first of all, tell me if that is what is showing on this screen in part US one of my journal entries, okay, if you go ahead and be three that for USA is

in your Granddaddy. The people I live with are all right, I guess They're constantly yelling and hitting, and not one of them understands the concept or need for privacy. Even the most private of all human doings are open for discussion and comment. In this family, it grates on my nerves. Also, nobody seems to understand basic ownership. Okay, And he tells us, is that one of the journal entries that we could waiting that was discovered by other people living in the home. Yes,

and were you seeing about them in natural country. So speaking about George Jake Angela gruge chicken Angela. Yeah, okay. The prosecution then asked Elizabeth to read another entry about the Wagner family. Dear Granddaddy, I try so hard not to hate people. Proof of this is that out of my entire crazy big family, there are only two people I truly hate. But now Granddaddy, there are Free Daniel Isaac Angela. I'm going to call her miss Angela because

of the name hits her anyways. Miss Angela is horrible for all these reasons. One she married unwisely and believes all marriages destined to end like hers. Two she has her fingers and my husband's pocketbook and makes exorbitant demands on his salary, holding her own quote unquote gifts and help over his head like a clove to emphasize her demands. Three she has more say over my life right now than I do because she controls my husband through his child.

Four she verbally abuses and yells insinuations at my husband, which he doesn't understand what I do. Five she dislikes and ridicules books, and she because well how to read less that that says. Six because she is a manipulative. She is teaching our daughters to manipulate and lie. Seven. My husband would listen to her far rather than to me, because she has raised his daughter thus far. Eight. She believes me to be a replica of Tabby and treats

me as such. She has insinuated several arms that she expects me to poison her. Nine she has repeatedly declared that she will see to it that will always peeper her to be with her and never accept me as her mamma. Key. She has threatened my husband with custody battles. Eleven. The most horrible thing is I have her totally within my power. All I would have to do would be to tell people she did it to get away from her abused mother, and I would get her the lifetime

sentence like that. The only thing is much as I hate the woman Scots, it would not be true. Twelve. She loves and encourages boys Obeski. Thirteen. She treats the children second, work first and kids second, continuing the same donory entry to me to read a Thirteen. She keeps tabs on me, always watching and listening to see where

I am. Thirteen I'm having to live in her house under her direct control and condescension, plans to crush her, want to treat her only commonly and respectfully to trying to become her friend. She's like Kwanda, so she really only respects working. I'm sorry, my hendring is terrible working. Three be nice because I'm bigger than her, or once I have her trust in friendship, slam the relationship door and shut in her face. She lnss blue animals, gardening, money, money, money,

her kids, grandkids, working, cooking fingers, and hospitality. She sent him about her weight and appearance she either was physically abused our else mistreated, and her childhood basically all bosses

want again. Elizabeth tried to hide her diary from the Wagoners, but they later found it and confronted her what they actually I think it was Angela Jake, and I feel like George was near life, possibly read up as well by I don't remember exactly that because some of the things for me wrote it because the media or the police or somebody might get a hold of what I had wrote, And so they asked if I would burn

the journal and flush it down the toilet. It's all too it than I did the Wagner's demand for control over Elizabeth led to more threats against her life. Indicated it on wake, indicated cut out contact to see a way, um but forever a time where he told you what would happen? You wanted them showed up at your house? Yes? And what did he say? He said that he would kill them. Determined to leave, Elizabeth began making arrangements with

her father to escape. On July sixth of twenty eighteen, less than four months after Mary and Jake, Elizabeth fled the Wagner's script, Can you tell us what happened on the day to do that? All my job? We all think the parking lot. I walked into the walmart, change my groves halfway through the walmart all that changing patient so that I wouldn't hold the same and left at the back through the entire section. Because I was pretty

they were following me. I was concerned and go into the rented car, picked the same corn out of my phone because I was concerned I was being tracked. My father was there in the car and we drove down a bunch of starn roads and hid in the car for a period of time. And then when we knew we weren't being followed. We drove to a restaurant where I switched you goals. My friend depicted me up and took mean the rest of the way to Virginia. Elizabeth

Armor fled the Wagners and initiated a divorce George. Wagner's defense team cross examined her and questioned Elizabeth about her relationship with George and how serious a person he was. We didn't really know him at all in a Lass, I've earned that church, and did you have wall conversations with them at the truth? So you met him at the church once or twice, introduced him after Jake, after Jake had proposed to you, and then you helped. That's kind of the extent of your contact with George when

you were a Lass. That's fair fairy enough, Okay. Soon after escaping to Virginia, Elizabeth testified she was contacted by BCI agents and asked note only about Angela and Jake, but also George. During cross examination, the defense question Armor about her interviews with BCI agents after she left the family, asking her whether she thought those threats were real during that interviews about George. Right during the interview in Virginia, and Virginia. Yes, and I think you that one of

the things about doors right, sexas jokes? Is that right? Yes? As Elizabeth answers from across the courtroom, George Wagner has seen smiling. He seems to enjoy being described this way. These were drugs. Can't offendish except yes about women perhaps gets all right? Topics that you've disapproved them. He didn't pop right, They were quite crude, very right. You wanted the things about jewels, but then not one what he carried joels urch um, not alie, what you say these jewels?

But he said other things. And then you came your an opinion that you've got he blow hard and we have to look up the definition of blow hard. But that sounds reasonable, okay. He was saying he really didn't that personal. Hey boss, I'm not sure if he meant them or not. I don't want to infer his meaning. And when you talked to the officers and for James, they asked, can you tell us about George? I think he told him is not your kind of person. He

seems like a sweet kind of guy. Is not the kind of person I would feel safe because he's because of this subfest interest of hors. They're not discriminate choices in that area. That would be my reason for that feeling comfortable with definitely one of my reasons. Here's Jeff speaking with forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan. What do you make of George kind of smiling, He shows so little emotion and he sort of lights up when he's talking about his sexist jokes and calling woman horse and stuff.

Is that I mean, that must be. That's a pretty bad walk. It is, particularly when you're sitting there and you know you've got a panel of twelve people that are trying to decide what's going to happen with the rest of your life. You know, you're in a five year life. Literally. It's powerful in the sense that you see George's behavior exhibited before them. So if it wasn't

accented before, then is damwell accented after that? When he smirks about this, maybe giggles a little bit, you know, and you know in a very you know, the same way that some middle school child. It's like he has no self awareness at that point in town. He has no self awareness of what he's up. We're going to take a break, We'll be back in a moment. Oh, I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends.

Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages as he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. He shouted and to the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed

to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to The Girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, Hello, Malcolm Glabell here, host of Revisionist History, a show about the overlooked and the misunderstood stories you won't hear anywhere else Like our ongoing obsessive campaign to blow up the

world's most focus college ranking system. Why not just throw in a few extra zeros or witness me after years of fancy public speaking, learning that I kind of have to start over. The tone that you had throughout the debate was very similar to some of the students that I do work with, and that's what I teach them

not to do. We're making more revisionist history for you this year than ever from places all across this great country emergency rooms, huge theaters, small towns, and shooting righteous and you want to put your thumb up like the US, You're gonna pull the trigger with this finger here. Okay, listen to revisionist history on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney Hill is going on here. Everyone has their limits.

I'd never confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible immoral thing aligned they won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. You may never have to face that decision when you find yourself at that lineouts Ricin, arn't Ricin, And somebody needs to just for once, give everybody the whole truth like this is evil and the only person who can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going to sit silently. Buy from iHeart Podcasts. These are

the whistleblowers. If you are disloyal, things are going to happen to speak out disgrace to our good. Evil po should be prosecuted when power corrupts. Conscience is the last line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, and host of The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember

my award winning first season. I've been pretty busy. There's always time to touch incredible guests about important things people like me have been screaming for years. We've got to watch the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong, what they're doing is evil. They will take things away and I can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment. Girl, You and I both know what it took to just get through the day in New York

City and get home in one piece. And so the fact that we're here and what you've achieved and what I've achieved. You know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable, is because people are constantly attacking us and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to the Laverne Cox Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure

to subscribe and share. George Wagner's defense attorney John Parker continue to press Elizabeth about whether or not she thought George was someone she took serious or someone who simply ran his mouth. Just a couple apartments about when BCI asked, were interviewing you in Virginia, so that would have been drive twenty eighteen after you left Hiles. They asked you

about George in particular. They asked you when George specifically would talk about what he would do, what would he say that he was going to do with those people if he got his hands on them. I believe your response or was he would say things like I had my way, We wouldn't be hiding out like this. It would be stormy my drawing above, because how don't you know them knows? You know, just loos. The agent asked you, is that what you perceived them to be? Who didn't

perceive them to be viable threats? You thought you? I thought they're just blost just like it. I didn't recall that in your name. But Elizabeth later corrected the defense lawyer and insisted that she was as scared of George Wagner as any of the others. When you lived Ohio back in twenty eighteen, you were seeing angel and j George is who I believe myself to be escaping from here again Jeff and Joseph Scott Morgan. And do you

think is she in effective witness for the prosecution. I think she is an excellent witness for the prosecution, you know, and I'm friends with guys you will know. But to have this kind of circumstantial witness that's up there where they can kind of paint a picture of what life was like on the inside. You can have all the blood evidence in the world that you won't even have all the ballistic evidence that you want in the world.

You can see bodies, rip the shreds, But when you have a person that survived good is there to tell the tale. She's potentially a nail on the cough. More on that next time. For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. The Piked and Masker is produced by Stephanie Lydecker, Jeff Shane, Connor Powell, Andrew Arnow, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound designed by Jeff Tui. Music by Jared Aston.

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