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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. After the massacre occurred, but before her arrest, mother Angela Wagner took to social media to speak out about the victims. Here's an excerpt from one of those posts. What has happened to us in the past few weeks has been devastating and it will follow us for the rest of our lives. Hannah was a daughter to me. I loved her dearly. Her laws still hurts to this day. We want justice like everyone else. Let's try to find the real monsters

who've done this. Turns out she was the monster. This is the Pip did Massacre. A production of Katie Studios and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode two Monsters Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Ledecker and Jeff Shane, and preparation for this season, we've been speaking to many sources in and around Pike County who would not go on the record before, probably because they were scared, but now they are ready to talk. In some cases they

were fearing retribution, including those close to Angela. There are so many perspectives on Mom Angela Wagner, and it begs the question is it possible for a human being to be all things at once. Throughout all of these conversations and interviews, we've learned a lot more about the victims, the Rodent family, and the alleged killers, the Wagners. This includes other theories and information that goes generations deep, and some of it has far reaching and sometimes nefarious tentacles.

Here's what we know about Angela Wagner. She had a mother named Rita Newcome. I actually met her in person, was in her home just days after she was released. And she was married to a man named Pug Carter, Angela's father. They at some point divorced. Rita remarried and had a second child, twenty years younger, her half brother, Chris Newcomb. Chris has agreed to speak with us for the podcast on the record for the very first time. Has now a good time? Do you have a minute? Well,

what would you wanting to know? You are? Angela's half brother explained that all to me, like how you're related and how much younger you are. Angela is my half sister from my mom's first marriage. We got the same mom. She is twenty years older than I am. Well, here's my backstory that I can give for your radio thing. I grew up with George and Jake. Like my brothers. I was always closer to George than I was with Jake. George would do anything in the world for anybody out

have never in my life thought this out of him. Jake, on the other hand, I'd have never thought it out of him either. But he's always been a little odd. I mean, he just always has been. My sister met here never really got along that well. Jake ain't no better in my opinion, and I got nothing for him at all. Billy's Billy. He's always been Billy. I mean, everybody was trying to say, and he might have been the brains of the operation that some bitches stam time.

He couldn't hit the ground with his hat three tries. So you didn't really grow up with her. I never grew up with her at all, hardly. I mean when I wasn't even a year old, I was like nine, ten months old, she got pregnant with George, her oldest boy, which would be my nephew. How long did you see any of them? George, Jake, Candel or Billy. And back when I was a kid, hello, I was always I had to go over and spend the night for two three weeks at a time. Oh wow, Now I spent

several summers over there. And when we got older and stuff like that, I'd see George when ever he swung by or he called and say, hey, we're gonna go hunting, or we're gonna move fishing, so we'd all go out and do that. So you are grew up with Jake and George being your peers. Oh yeah, yeah, we grew up more like brothers than we did uncle and nephews. I mean, we as close as hell. When these kids. She'd treat me as one of the kids. But it just, I don't know, it seemed cold. Whenever she had to

do something for me. It wasn't like a like a warming feeling, like you know, here I want I want to help you have fun, or I want to help you out do this. It was just cold. Was she liked that with the boys too? Are just yell? Not really just made Mainly, I don't think she liked me that much. Why why do you think that is? I don't know. I didn't like her either, so I kind of worked out. I never looked into it. My sister

was very controlling person. Whenever I was around. She always tried to control every aspect that I did, and when I pretty much told her, go to hell and that was the end of it. But I mean she pretty much control every aspect of their life, right down to their social media, their Facebook, their message or Twitter, they're fucking uh. Their dating sites. They had dating sites, and she actually had the information for their dating sites. She

had to passwords to it. No. Yes, So when you were a kid and you would spend summers there or extended periods of time, Angela was your sister. But I imagine treated you like a mom. You know, should probably helped cook for you and treated you like one of the boys. Was she kind to you that or was she always judge? Uh? Kind of a mixture of both. She was kind of judge, kind of fake. What do

you mean by that? It just seemed like she would be nice, but it was all like an act because she always told me she said I'll never amount to anything. And she didn't tell just me that, she told other people that. She said that I'd never amount to nothing and I'd probably end up spending the rest of my life in jail. I almost wanted I answer a phone call from her just to laugh at her. Wow. You

mentioned you and Angela were raised differently. How would you describe how you were raised and how would you say how she was raised. I wouldn't around whenever she was being raised, you know, I wouldn't even have thought then mom was still married to her dad, Pug or Eddie Edward Carter. He was always a good old guy. I knew him right, Will do you like Pug? Oh? I thought the world Pug Eddie Carter, better known as Pug,

was Angela Wagner's father. We didn't know much about him or Angela's upbringing and how that might have shaped the person she is until now. Here's Jeff speaking to an anonymous friend of the Carter family who reached out to us. Your message is really interesting to me. I would love to just kind of like hear all of it, and now you found this information out on what your take

on all of it is. I grew up in South Webster, where the Wagners came back from Alaska's where they moved to, and the actual house that they lived in was the house of her dad. I knew him as a Pug Carter. He always wore this like metal brace and he walked with a limp. What I heard from my dad was that he would climb electric poles and steal copper or something off of the poles, and he'd gotten electric uted

and it affected his walking. When money would get tight, b block would go like pawn things a little, but he ran like a I guess it would be an illegal pawnshop where people would go take like small tools, lown equivament, you know, stuff like that. I think he'd gotten in trouble for forjury. One time. People would take their vehicle titles and pawned them to him for money, and he got to where he would like he would forge the titles and sell the vehicles, so people were

like losing cars. So somebody eventually took him to court for that, and he'd done that for several years before he got in trouble for him, and that's the reason my dad quit feeling with him. Explain that to me. So I would take my car title and sell it to him. He would pawn it him. So you would give him your title and he would give you a couple hundred dollars and you'd pay it back on Once you paid him back, you'd give you your title back.

But then he started like selling the vehicles before people had a chance to pay him back. The whole opioid epidemics started around here, and I guess he'd gotten into pills and stuff, and he would started selling drugs as well as running this underground pawn shop he was doing. There isn't a lot of information out there about Puck Carter, but what we could find included a criminal record filled with arrests for assault, receiving stolen property, and truck possession.

From what I remember is that there was like an undercover seeing where the police were going to his house and purchasing and selling drugs. So actual drug bust is how he got caught. But the reason Michael Moran came into is Michael Moran he was like the cheaper lawyer. So if you were kind of poorer on like the lower income level, he would work out a deal where you didn't have to pay as much for a lawyer like he was who all the poorer people went to.

And I think that's really how he got to where he could target prostitutes and stuffs because they were of lower income and they could afford his services. It's not a surprise to me that her dad had him as a lawyer. It's important to note that the recollections that Michael Moran was pot Carter's attorney is strictly the first hand account of our anonymous source. Here's Stephanie and Jeff

We talked about Michael Moran in season two. He's an attorney and a former city councilman in Portsmouth, which is

about twenty five miles south of Pike County. He had multiple allegations against him, including sex trafficking, the disappearance of several young women connected to him personally, and the possible murder of another at the age of seventy five while out on bail and awaiting trial for promoting prostitution, compelling prostitution, human trafficking, and engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity.

Michael Moran died in November twenty twenty one. There's a place called Big Bear Lake that has come up a lot over the years in our research. It's this spot not too far from Pike County that people go to on vacation. Essentially, it's like a holiday location. We're going to discuss this further, but it's also been alleged that it's a spot where sex trafficking happens, drug trafficking happens, and potentially there's a connection between Michael Moran and the

Wagner family. I have to be really honest, my mouth dropped when we heard the connection between Pug Carter, Angela Wagner's father, and Michael Moran. It's full circle. It just further speaks to this idea that Pike County and the surrounding area is where people in power continue to stay in power by abusing other people. It also points to a larger plot here. Angie was always really with her dad, Like I remember her being at her dad's often, like

she took care of her dad. What I've heard locally is that's why they came back from Alaska's because Billy's dad had died and her dad had died. They needed to settle those estates, and then they ended up moving into his house, to Plug's house, and that's where they lived when they were arrested. Did you have any interaction with them when they came back. No, nobody really knew they were here until they were arrested. People would be like, oh, I think I saw Angela and Jake at Jackson Walmart,

which is a completely different county. I think they were going there so they weren't noticed, And everybody's like, no, there's no way. Then all of a sudden they were arrested and we're like, oh, well, maybe it was true. They were back into him. But if you drive by Plug's house, like the Wagner's vehicles are still there. It's still as if it was the day they were arrested. Nothing has been best with or moved. Somebody cuts the grass, but as far as like their stuff still being in there,

it is still there. Can you paint the picture for me? So like a brick ranch home with you know, like a big gravel lot and there's still kind of stuff out. It still kind of looks like it did one plug O didn't. But there's like vehicles that outside they have, like this really big Dodge Ram Diesel truck. When you have something like that around here, it made you have money. It's interesting that that stuff wasn't seized. Yeah, we kind of get like an eerie feeling when you drive either too.

It's like, oh, there's so much bad stuff that's happened in that one house as far as like crime goes. Yeah, I mean that's where they were hiding out and potentially they were there planning those murders. So we're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob.

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Who were just trying to get bought. I think I was just freaking out because I'm scared by connecting with each other. I'm going to be a father. Yea, Are you feeling? This? A fiction podcast mixtape about love? Listen to it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Sammy Joe grew up in the piked In area and was closed with both the Wagner and the Rodent families. Sammy spent a lot of time at the Wagner's home, where she found Angela to be

not so much motherly as controlling. Here she is speaking with Stephanie. I grew up with the Wagner and then I dated Frankie wrote, where were you when you heard all of the news about the murders. I was standing in my living room, and I lived not tremendously far away, but I heard all the sirens and everything going on. The next thing, you know, my Facebook was all lit up with family members found dead, and I'm thinking, there ain't no way we all talk about Angela Wagner, the

mom of killers, as being in the mastermind. I wouldn't put a pastor if Angela said jumped and you didn't say how high Angela got mapped, especially with Jake. Jake was her baby. Like if Angela didn't like me, Jake wasn't allowed to like me that week. I didn't come from the right family, or I did her wrong in her eyes or something. What about Billy would you describe him? What was he like? He was a type of guy that he could crack a joke and you would laugh

for days. My dad had a stroke, a massive brainbling a stroke, and I remember writing Angela and I said, hey, this is Samantha Brian Frederick's daughter. I need to get ahold of Billy. And Billy got ahold of me, and I told him my fight listened the house that we're living in the floor falling through. They will not let my dad come home and let me get the floor fit. Billy showed up with plywood feed for my animals. He had bought me cinnamon products, a shampoo conditioner, like he

was there to help, like in his mom. I got ahold of Billy and I was. I listened my mom's behind on the electric bill. We're in disconnect very literally shutting us off. We need a good amount of money. And Frederika got ahold of us, and she paid our electric bill. They wasn't bad people. I mean they're bad people now, but I honestly am my opinion. I don't think they were all involved. I think there was other

people involved under Angela's demand. Right, Is it possible that they weren't even there and that maybe other people were there that night? In my opinion, yes, I think they know, but they won't speak about it. I think the boys know what happened, and if they speak about it, they'll be dead. And that's my opinion. Jake and George was always homeschooled, like they were never in public schools. The public systems that Angela was not good enough for her boy,

so her teaching her kids was better. I don't know how much better that was, but it was teaching them pretty much. What Angela said goes like she puts off the vibe of like if she said you're going to rob a bank and you tell her no, like she gets scary. I love the boys to death. They're a little weird, but I love them to death. I remember decades ago we all went to the bull riding thing

and Billy and her got my little argument. I've never seen a grown man in an argument shut up so fast in my life, like the argument was over within seconds. It was controlling, is what it was. And have you been in the house when all of them were home at the same time. Yeah, the house was always quiet, very quiet. Normally would be Billy sitting there in a chair grinding his teeth, just sitting there watching TV. That

would be like the living room area. Angela was normally in their cooking, and then off all that in the bag was the boys' room. To the left was Georgia's room, until the right was Jake's room. Of course, typical boys, you're going to have to your heads and guns in there. And that's pretty much the house. I can't remember a time that they were one of the houses burnt down and they were living in a shack and they were all cramped up in this little living room area and

I'm standing there by the door with my dad. It was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. As a reminder, this is Sammy Joe's recollection of events. I could tell you every place that they had, every place that burned down. I can't prove that it was in church, but that many houses. There's the trailer trailer slash house, the building. There's like a good four or five places that burnedale, plus a semi truck. There wasn't anybody home

or in the houses when they burned down. Correct. No, We've heard for several years about suspicious fires related to Angela and Billy Wagner, but have never been able to speak out about it. However, now these allegations have been substantiated in court. On May second, twenty twenty two, Special Prosecutor Angiekneppa references arson in connection with the Wagner family

multiple times. Some of these apps are alleged. Some of these we have again high levels of proof, specifically number one, multiple instances of arson of various properties for their own financial gain. Everybody in the conspiracy has their own role and they carry out that role ironically. Oftentimes Angela absents herself from the himself. The men Jake, George and Billy carry out on the crime and then they have a story,

a cover up story. If I had a chance to talk to George, I honestly would because I just want to know why I actually want fishing with George. Shortly after and it got brought up, Wait, you went fishing with George Wagner after the murders. I asked him. I was like, I can't believe this happened, and because him and Frankie after a while that rode close as terrible as it is to say now, victim Frankie Rodin and accused murderer George Wagner were known to be good friends.

Sammy Job calls the time when Frankie Rodin was standing up to Jake Wagner to defend his sister Hannah May. I did hear about Frankie and Jay getting into it, because I guess and Hannah got into it and Jake had hit Hannah. Sorry to interrupt, but just for clarity, you're referring to victim Frankie Rodin, Hanname Rodin's older brother, right, Yeah, but I don't know. I wasn't there or that's just what I was told. But George like shut me out,

like he goes, how could we do it? Because they were already be in question who was going to be there with the kids. And I was like, well, I don't know. I was like, there's just something wrong, Like he totally shut me out, Like I knew sometime was wrong that day when we were talking about it, like our vision trip was going good and it got run real fuck Like, I talked to them. Why they were in Alaska? Tell me about the Alaska piece. Why Alaska? That's been the boys's dream since they were mee hi

to Grasshopper. Do you know if Angela and Hannah at any point had a positive relationship, even back in the early days. Oh yeah, at one one time. They loved each other as far as I know. But angel was the type of person if you say or do something out of the way, you're a bad person. Why, I think, honestly because Hannah was the type of person. But if

I say no, that's what I mean. And Angela wasn't getting her way with the custody, And I honestly feel like, and this was my opinion, Angela was afraid that Hannah was going to take away all visitations and that's how it was going to be. Not only did Sammy Joe know the Wagner family, but she also knew the Rodents intimately. When they were very much alive. She spent a lot of time at mother Dana Roden's house visiting her boyfriend Frankie. How old were you when you dated Frankie Rodin? I

dated him from seventh grade to like ninth grade. He was fun and you just liked the rest of him, like you was so well going, give the shirt off his back, caring Nolsee when you were dating Frankie, did you spend any time at the road and home? What were they like? What was their home like? It was fun, like it was a live like that place was alive. Frankie would ride a bus home with me. Mostly I ride bus home with them and just spend a lot of time out there. I spent more time than even

at my own house. And was Dana close with Frankie? Oh that was her baby boy? Like should hurt someone over her kids? Could you physically describe her like? What did she look like? Her hair was always sure. We always called her fluffy. She was about five to seven, very loud but fun. Yeah, like I never wanted to go home, like I actually felt like I was wanted. She would go out of your way like my dream shoes was I called him Abby's shoes like they were

the very long shoes that zip up the back. I can't remember what they're called now and her and Frankie Blomingham. I had those shoes for years. Did you know Hannah, Gilly Frankie lover her. You could tell. Sammy Joe shared a recollection she had about Hanname Rodin Hannah. She would drive past my house just honking. And she drove by honk and I was on my porch. She was, I'll see you later. I came to see you later. And I didn't get to see her later because she was

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. While Sammy Joe's relationship with Angelo was similar to what we've heard from other people and in trials, that she was controlling and suspicious, like all people, Angela is different things to different people. Here's Howie, a family friend who knew the Wagners both in Ohio and Alaska. My understanding is that you had a very close relationship with the Wagner family. I grew up with them and went to church and

them and things like that. Tell me about them. What were they like? I always thought they were great people. I've stated at their house multiple times. Like I said, I've gone to church with them growing up. It's kind of like a second family to me. I thought there were decent people. Did you remember anything about Angela Wagner. I just remember her being the typical mom. In a million years, I'd never thought she could plot anything or do anything of this sort of caliber. Like I said,

just the typical mom. She reminds me of my own mother. What about her specifically was typical in your opinion? Her attitude, you know, just the standard mom. You know the way she looks. You look at her and you see mom like she's just that friendly of a person. Just her attitude in general, she's a welcoming person. You had mentioned Alaska. Did you live in Alaska or did you visit them while the Wagners were in Alaska. I lived in Alaska and they came up and visited. Tell me how old

were you at that point? I was probably thirteen fourteen somewhere around there, just you know, young teenager. They were a little older than I was, so we didn't really hang out a whole lot. Then I went fishing with him once or twice in Alaska. Why Alaska, do you think?

I think the real thing was the pastor in Alaska was also the pastor in the church in Ohio that they went to and knew my grandparents, So they had a lot of people up here that in Alaska is just the place that everybody wants to come and visit. So I assume that, you know, they wanted to come to see old friends and things like that. And when

they came, that was before the massacre. Correct, Yeah, this was before it's at least being curious why they went to Alaska, and moreover, why would they go back to Pike County. They came the first time to visit, and then the whole Pike County massacre thing happened and they came back to Alaska, but they had no contact with anybody. They didn't talk to any of us, Like we reached out, were like, hey, what's up, how are you guys? We're sorry this happened, and they never once talked to us.

They moved to a different city. I believe they lived in Salatna or Cassia Lock or something like that. And they never had any sort of contact with me and my grandparents and my sisters, the pastor nothing. What do you make to that. It was definitely strange hearing people were murdered, then they show up out of nowhere coming back to Alaska. It was it was definitely fishing. And that's when I kind of cut ties, you know, just just to be on the SAT side. I didn't want

me involved in anything of that sort. When they were in fact arrested for the murders, that must have been a huge shock. Oh. I cried, I said in my apartment, And I cried because he's just, you know, one of the sweetest people ever. I just don't think it's going to add begin. I think people do dumb things for their family. People say they do anything for their family, and I think she did do anything for her family,

as terrible as it was. As we continue speaking with more people, much more information is coming out, including other acts the Wagners have allegedly committed over the years. This is according to prosecutors. The Wagner family tracked her. They threatened her, They threatened her family's lives. The family definitely on that side. They did stuff to make money other than legally. It begs the question of how wide their net is spread and what other people may be involved.

For the first time in this podcast, will hear Jake Wagner's ex wife Elizabeth. They keep being asked, did you know Jake Wagner was a murderer before you married him? What I'm getting reysycho have nothing to do with the murder. This voice belongs to another person who has requested anonymity due to their proximity to the Wagner family. Is Angela the monster or did she marry into monsters? I feel like Billy is a type that would pay someone in prison to kill his own kids. More on that next time.

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