Every Body Has A Story

I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. It's Las Vegas, it's the nineteen nineties, and it is time to find a husband. There were four Jewish doctors who were felt to be eligible bachelors. One of them was of the Baron bat On paper he was perfect, but in reality, this guy's a wacko. He shouted to the point went unconscious. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. You can listen to The Girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get

your podcasts. This is the story of a man who's fascinated me. His name was Sweet Daddy Grace, and that's a name you don't forget. He was a visionary who built a fortune as a black man during Jim Crow during the Depression, but today not many people know about him. The race sort of wiped out, and I wonder if this was done intentionally. Listen to Sweet Daddy Grace on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi,

I'm Free and I'm rthy. We have spent the last twenty years building and working at some of the largest companies in the world. We worked with some remarkable people. Rob mcalinney. When I see the people of Wrexham, I grew up exactly like them. Check out the Arthi and Trrom show. That is a R D HI and s R I R A M show. Listen to the acdaanstry On show on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast Oh, whenever you get to your podcast, what stands out to me is just the sheer massiveness of this thing and the

absolute metality in this thing. These were real human beings who lost their lives and it's not just what happened to them, but they were actual people. Legal fireworks erupted in court as George Wagner, the Force attorneys try to put a sudden end to his trial in the Pike County massacre, we would ask for this trial basically cruso photos and shown to the three. He knows these photographs from coming. So I don't know how much of this was rooted in legal practice and how much of it

is rooted in theatrics. This is the Pike to Mascar Returned to Pike County Season four, Episode seven, Everybody Has a Story. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. It's the middle of George Wagner the Fourth's trial, and it's important to note that he has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Hours of testimony from investigators and relatives has painted a very real portrait of what the crime scenes look like. But on this day of the trial, no one could have imagined the gruesomeness they would face. Listener warning, This episode covers a particularly graphic portion of the court testimony. Discretion is strongly advised from the fetter. When you were about to go showing the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, did you show answer? Unto god?

I do? Prosecutor Anti Kneppa and her team called doctor Karen Lumin to the stand. Luman is a forensic pathologist who carried out autopsies on all eight of the victims. Wednesday, she talked about examining Chris Sen, your son Frankie Rodin and as fiance Hannah Gilly. Both were found shot to death in their bed inside a mobile home, with their infant son left alive between them. The eight deceased members

of the Roden family were discovered on a Friday. Once investigators for BCI were done processing the crime scenes, the bodies were removed and transported for autopsy. And that you did the females first on April twenty third. That seems Saturday, Yes, okay? And would you have done that first thing in the morning? Yes okay? And what time is six o seven am? Here's James Pilcher, longcome investigative reporter in Cincinnati now with Local twelve. She got the call first thing Saturday morning.

She starts in she had to do eight autopsies in three days, but she actually did three on one day, and then another four on another day, and then another one on Monday. And these weren't just you're running the mill autopsies. I don't know what she must have gone through that weekend. And knowing they're all one family, we're all like talking amongst ourselves, how are we going to handle our own mental health through all of this? I

can imagine what she's going through. Here's forensic medical examiner Joseph Scott Morgan. You're talking about multiple gunshot wounds and

lots of evidence, trace evidence. To recover each one of these autopsy would have taken a couple of hours because it would have been X rays, external photographs, removal of clothing, searching for trace evidence on the clothing in place, documentation of the clothing, documentation of the holes in the clothing, the defects and the clothing, the bloodstains on the clothing, all of those measurements, and we haven't even made it

to the body yet. Just let that sink in. So can you imagine how exhausting this would be and how draining this is psychically? Based on a quick review of doctor Lemon's work. She does not shy away from emotionally challenging cases. She has performed autopsies and testified in many murder trials, including those of toddlers. On the stand, she appears relaxed and direct. Can you tell us what we are looking at the This is a photograph of Hannah

Hazel as we opened the body bag. That's a picture of Hannah's chest showing her bra and she has a maternity bra and the hooks for the front of the bra are open and her breast is exposed in that, yes, photograph. And do you see livermortis in that picture? There is some livermortis in the picture. Yes, here again, Joseph Scott Morgan. Well, when you begin to think about libra mortis is probably one of the most solid fallback positions when it comes

to judging postmortem interval. And the reason is is that it's totally gravitationally dependent. It's not impacted by temperature. Sadly, the blood is impacted only only by gravity, so the blood will actually pool in the lowest depended area. And it's very simple to explain. Just just think for a moment, if you've got a cup of water. If you pour that cup of water out into the sink, well, what's it going to seek. It's going to seek the lowest point of gravity, and in the case of the sink,

it's going to be the drain. So just imagine, if you will, there's a body lying flat, which we would call the suphine position line, flat on the back, face upwards. Well, the blood is going to pool into those dependent regions in the back on the posterior. We can tell how long someone has been down within two to three hours essentially, when we apply all of these components, whether it's the rigidity of the body, the temperature of the body, and

more specifically the postmorum mobility to settling the blood. Can you tell us if the liver mortist that you see in that is consistent with her laying mostly on her stomach kind of to the right side, on the right, yes, on the right side, yes. About what parts of the body did you notice injuries too? I'm miss Gilly Hannah Hazel head injuries only to her head? How many gunshot winds did Hannah Hazel have? Five lumin examines an X ray of Hannah Hazel Gilly's head and explains you can

see the round orbits where the eyes are. You can see where teeth are at the bottom, and then you can see four relatively larger white radio opaque things on the right side of the head. Those are bigger bullets. They are deformed, so you see their funny different shapes. They're deformed because they struck the bone. And then you see there's tins of little pieces of metal above those four pieces. And on the other side by the left eye, those are all tin of little fragments of bullet. Joseph

Scott Morgan. You know they won't show certain photographs in court, or they'll because the defense will say they're prejudicial. One of the most beautiful things that you can do is show X rays. Because X rays don't have blood, they don't have gore. You don't see bodies blown apart. You

might see fractured bone, but it's black and white. And then anything that is radio opaque, you see that, and suddenly the snowstorm appears before you and they look like little white dots everywhere, and those are fragments of bullets, and that is powerful when the jury looks at that, and everybody knows their brain is in the top part of their head, inside of their skull, and you see it. You know, white bulb goes off and said, oh my god,

look in the brain. You can see the little dots where all of that the bullet fragment, and just rip this body to shreds. But photographic evidence follows warning. Some of this discussion is incredibly graphic. In that photograph, I'm looking at her left eye. There's some clotted blood that you see along the margin of her eye. The blood that's in her mouth is not an injury. It's blood

that's there because of the fractures to the skull. It actually fractures the sinus bones and then the sinuses bleed down the back of the throat passively. Okay, and it almost looks like her tooth is black, But that's actually blood that's clouded blood. Yes, there are a lot of people that you know, want to turn a blind eye to the horror of this. You cannot escape it. There's

no way to, you know, church this up. Within the context of the graphic detail lies the story, and you know, people as desperately as they want to turn away from it, you have to stare at it. You have to stare at it and assess it. You have to get past the horror of it. But you have to understand this. Every person that died deserves deserves to have their story told.

I think that it is unmanagable for the family. Hearing this graphic testimony from the corner, and also hearing Joseph Morgan's take on it, we forget they too are human beings who were seeing carnage and blood and bodies so regularly. We assume anybody who works in this space get used to seeing in that level of gore. But that's simply

not the case here. Again, Special Prosecutor Angie Kneppa, you have an opinion as to whether or not her eye would have been opened or closed at the time that she was shot her eyes because it at least got part of her eyelids. I believe her eyelids were mostly closed. The fact that it didn't get the upper eyelid, it could be. You know, some people sleep with their eyes slightly open. It could be that our eyes are slightly open.

It could also be their eyes are fully open and it only got the bottom lid, so it did not go through the top eyelids. That's correct, So I can't tell technically if she was asleep or awake. And did you ultimately or can you tell us what distance did you determine that was because we could see stipling, that's an intermediate gunshot wound. Okay. And that intermediate again, is that three inches to three feet dish range? Yes? And do you have an opinion as to the effect that

would have had on Hannah Hazel? Yes? And what is that opinion? She would have been immediately unconscious, okay? And why do you say that the bullet not only causes injury, but there's also kinetic energy that travels with the bullets. It's shaking up the brain. It takes a lot to break the bones in the skull too. There's a lot of concussion trauma. So not only is it damaging her eye, but the brain is damaged as well, and so she would become unconscious. This is only the description of the

first gunshot. The bullet ended up in the frontal lobe of the brain. You can also see she's got some blood coming from her left ear. That's a sign that the bones inside the head, especially the bone where your inner ear, is broken, then you bleed outside your ear, So that's what you're seeing Caneppa and Luman go through each individual round, all five shots, and the damage each bullet did to Hannah Hazel Gilly's body. Here's legal analyst Mike Allen. What stands out to me is just the

absolute brutality of this thing. I mean, it's stunning how brutal it is. Shot in the face. I mean, testimony about a baby nursing at his mother's breast and she's shot. I mean, you think about Hannah laying in bed with that child, and just the pravity of someone doing that. It's really hard to imagine. All in all, doctor Luman extracted four bullets from Hannah Hazel's head. The fifth grazed her skull, creating a hole and a partial bullet wound.

During testimony, reporter James Pilcher reported live from outside the courtroom. Frankie was shot three times in the head. Earlier Wednesday, Todd Fordner with the Oha Bureau of Criminal Investigation finished testifying about processing that crime scene on Union Hill Road, saying he found five spent shelf casings in the couple's bedroom. Frankie Rodin was lying in bed with Hannah Hazel Gilly a pair of blue boxer shorts the only clothing he

was wearing. They were soaked with blood. Doctor Luman holds up a paper bag with this evidence inside, but does not open it. She then picks up a box. This is our bullet box where we put all of the projectiles in. I have it labeled from the head for Frankie, and those represent the projectiles that you recovered from the

head of Frankie Roding on eight twenty four, sixteen. And can you tell us did you notice any differences or similarities between those projectiles and the projectiles that you recovered from Hannah Hazel Gilly. Yes, Frankie was lying face up and was shot through the cheek, left temple and air. Hannah Hazel was at his side facing him. The shooter came into their room, facing the left side of the

bed and opened fire. Despite the graphic nature of the work at hand, there were only positive reviews of Luman's testimony. Here again, James Pilcher, I can tell you, at least from the feedback I've gotten from watching her, that she has really a lot of respect in the community for the respect she's treated the victims in their bodies and the autopsy and everything else. But the next morning. It's

not Luman's testimony that is making news. Legal fireworks are upted in court as George Wagner, the Force attorneys trying to put a sudden end to his trial and the Pike County massacre. We would ask for a mistrial based on gruesome photos that have been shown to the jury.

Photos are only missile, irrelevant, and pot of disputation. George Wagner's defense attorney, John Parker claims continuing to show the jury gruesome photos of the crime scenes and autopsies is inflammatory, specifically since the actual facts of how the victims died are not in question. We're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of

us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. He shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for bob Us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now,

I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to the girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney hell is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible immoral thing, a line they won't cross. I was, and I just said, no, we're killing people.

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down memory lane together. Listen to how Rude Tannertos on the iHeartRadio appable podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's Jeff speaking with James Pilcher. The defense is asking for a Mistriald, What do you make of that? Is that its something that's valid? Could they possibly get one? They are pulling every trick in the book that they can to try to get this to start over, to delay it, to get the juryman to do whatever. The latest thing. They don't want the prosecution to be able

to show the pictures up on the screen. Here again, Joseph Morgan. What is kind of out of left field is the idea that the defense attorney would ask for a mistrial based on the nature of the photographs. Most of the time that that kind of stuff is handled in pre trial motion. You come to an agreement as to what photography is going to be used, and in the free child motions, there'll be a hearing. And they knew this was coming. This is not like this just

fell from the heavens and they're unaware. He know that's these photogram coming, So I don't know how much of this was rooted in legal practice and how much of it is rooted in the address. It appears that Judge Deering agrees with the request for a mistriald denied. The prosecution moves on to crime scene three, the home where Dana Roden, Hanname Roden, and Chris Roden Jr. Were killed. The prosecution recalled BCI special agent Todd Fortner to the stand.

Fortner had already testified earlier in the trial about evidence at Chris Senior and Gary's trailer. He took many of the photographs at Frankie Roden's house as well. When nicought the eye of both the prosecution and defense. Was an open window on the backside of the home. If you look at States and did at B one thirty five, you testified about that air conditioner that appeared to have some grass on it out back. Can you see that air conditioner in that picture? Yes, just outside the window.

The back of Frankie Roden's home has two windows. The open window in questions it's about five to six feet up from the ground with two HVAC units below. In interior photos are shown next show the jury where that pictures taken from the what you're de packing in that picture. This again from the doorway here looking into the bedroom. You can see the clutter and the open window. Here Stephanie looking at these photographs and picturing this room and

where these windows are. An interesting detail too, I thought was that there was a bathtub and they must have been raising baby chicks because to keep them warm, there were little wood chips in the bathtub where the chicks were growing. And right beside that there was you know, a toddler's packing play, which we've all seen before, just kind to a hunting image against the grizzliness that took

place soon after. Also, you know, it raises the question there was so much stuff in and around where the windows are, it seems like it would have been very clumsy to get through that window, specially agent Todd Fortner. And when you initially viewed that picture, did you think it was unlikely that anybody had come through that window? Yes, so I felt it was less likely that someone came

in without disturbing some of these items. However, it was not impossible, Okay, so clearly somebody could have come through that window. But based on the way that those items appeared nothing was knock over or disturbed or upside down. That correct. Correct. He gave it some thought and listened very carefully, and he opined that he didn't believe that that was case. He said, it's not off the table. But you know the space is so tight this window.

You know that you would gain acts through and there is no underlying area to kind of leverage yourself up all into the one to seal. The defense tries to drive a wedge between the certainty of the prosecution and Fortner, alluding to one Wagner who could have fit through that window, admitted murderer, Jake Wagner. You prepare a report in this case, right, yes, And in your report you discussed looking for points of entry.

Do you recall that I do, And what is it you said about that as a potential point of interest, As I've already testified, I said, with the items there inside the window, I felt it was less likely to be a point of entry because it's such a tight squeeze to get through there and not disrupt those items. Even though you said it was unlikely based on your observations, was it impossible, No, it was possible, Like I said, it would take somebody smaller and more agile, but not impossible.

When he said that, I went back and counter reflectively looked at the images of Jake, you know, back during that period of time. On some level, he's bulk here now, but back in sixteen he was a smaller person. Jay could have made through it back then, but I think it's highly unlikely. There's another point that we have to consider here. If you go through a window, particularly when you have to leap up to and kind of pull yourself through there, there would be some remnant of you.

Potentially a much higher probability is some remnant of you left behind in that small space you're trying to wiggle through. You testified that you didn't do any swabbing or DNA of that open window area as part of your work out there on that day. Is that correct? Correct? But did you find out or do you know that later as part of the investigation eventually that area was swabbed for DNA. Yes, it was. There was no DNA and

no fingerprints were covered in or around the window. Every contact leaves a trace, So everything that we do physically within the construct of a crime scene, if we touch surface, we're gonna leave some element of ourself behat, whether it's an early fingerprint, whether it's a bit of fiber, whether it's a bit of touch DNA which is shed and skin, and to my way of understand, they didn't find any of that. The next morning, another attempt by the defense

to shut down the trial. Here's Judge Deering motion was filed earlier this morning, motion number one eleven entitled motion for this mistrial. Thursday began with another attempt by Wagner's defense team to get a mistrial in the case. But as you did Wednesday, Judge Randy Deering overruled that motion. Here again Mike Allen on why the defense would file motions on back to back days. They're making a record.

From what I understand, it was an oral motion the day before, yet yesterday it was put in writing yesterday and filed and the judge heard the one that is in writing today. It's all about making a record in case there's an appeal again, Joseph Scott Morgan, if George has found guilty, it's immediately going to go up on appeal. And I can promise you this is going to be a point which they're going to argue on appeal. They're gonna say these photographs were so prejudicial, so over the top,

that it's swayed in an inappropriate manner. A painted my client is some kind of monster. Soon after the exchange, Hamilton County Chief Deputy corner Doctor Karen Lohman returned to the stand, Doctor Lowman, can you tell us what we are looking at there? So this is a side X ray of Dana's head. You can see she has some fillings in her teeth, and she has one, two, three, four, about six large pieces of bullet and bullet fragments in her head. Kneppa, seeing the graphic nature of the photo,

pauses for many awkward seconds. Lumen grimaces and looks down while Caneppa decides what to do. She asked the judge to remove the photo from the in room screen. I'm gonna can you minimize seis. I'm going to approach the exhibit with this next photo. If that's okay with the chord, I'm sorry, I'm going to approach the victim with this next. From here on in, she only shows doctor Lumen and the jury printed photos of the autopsies. Doctor can you

tell us when you did your examination of Dana? Roden. How many gunshot wounds had she received? Five? Matriarch Dana Rodin was in a nightgown in bed when she was shot. And can you tell us we are was gunshot wound number one located on the diagram? Number one is on the far left. It looks like it's on the right forehead. It's a little more on the side of the forehead.

It traveled across, following a relatively straight path to the left side of her head, struck the bone on the left side of her head, did not exit, and then fell inside her skull to underneath her brain. And a gunshot wound number two? Where was that located? That is closer to the center of the right forehead? Shot three was similar the other two grazed her skull and shattered her jaw. And can you tell us do you have an opinion? Were the bullets in projectile that you recovered

from Dana Rodin? Was that consistent with the bullets and projectiles that you removed from Frankie Rodin and Hannah Hazel Kelly, Yes, okay, And inconsistent with the bullets and projectiles that you recovered from Chris Senior and Dary Roden. Yes. That's correct. When initial photos of Hannah may Rodin in a body bag are presented to doctor Luman, Angie Kneppa immediately draws attention to a tattoo. There is what appears to be a tattoo close to the underwear line or the bikini line.

And can you tell us what those initials are? The initials are E JW kre Stephanie, Hannah may rode In on her body. She has a little tattoo with the initials E J W on her hip. Those initials, of course afore Edward Jake Wagner. That's Jake Wagner's legal name, and it just paints a picture. At one point she was deeply, deeply in love with him. This is a side view of Hannah's head. You can see that this a long belt gated piece of metal and a shorter

one there. Those are the earrings that we saw previously in the previous picture. And then you can see some small radio paque white pieces of bullet in her head. And when you conducted your examination of Hannah rode In, how many gunshot wounds did you observe her to have? Two? Here again, Reporter James Pilcher, Hannah was the main target because she was the one holding up the issues with the custody, And yet she only got shot twice and the rest were you know, Dana got shot five times.

It makes no sense. Hanname Rodin was shot in the upper left back of her head and behind her left ear. She was found resting facing away from the door to her bedroom. So if for instance, somebody comes in through here, this individual sees that person and then turns away either instinctively to because they see a gun, in order to protect the child that's laying and better them. Are the injuries in the pathways that you saw to her head consistent with that? Yes? Did you observe the shirt to

be in any certain position? Yes? And what was that position? The shirt was pulled up over the right breast. And did you actually have some other abnormal finding when you did the internal examination of Hannah Rodin or an additional finding? Yeah, not necessarily abnormal, but yes, additional finals And what was that?

One of them was that she was lactating and the other was that her uterus was enlarged because she'd just given birth several days before, so it takes a while for your uterus to shrink back down so I could tell that she had recently given birth. Back in twenty six, the weekend after the murders, Karen Lehman returned to the marg on Sunday after spending an entire Saturday with the bodies of Dana, Hannah Hazel and Anime. Chris Junior was

the first body she examined that day. The fifteen year old was found lying on his stomach, covered by a comforter. There were four shots to the right side of his head and face. And is that consistent with the body being positioned this way and somebody coming up and shooting him from this site? Yes? Yes? Did you observe any exit wounds to Christopher Jr? No? Did you collect the

projectile that you recovered from within his head? Yes? Okay, showing you what's been Marcus dates Exhibit K ninety three. If you can tell me about this. This is a bullet box labeled from the head and it's holding all of the bullets in one box that we collected at autopsy. Here again, James Pilcher seeing the crime scene photos of

Chris Junior. About me cry, I'm a parent of a fifteen sixteen year old and to see him just lying dead in bed with a blood hole in his forehead and purple was just not something I'd ever want to see again. That afternoon, court adjourns for the week after hours of grilling testimony about crime scene. Three jurors who will decide George Wagner's Guilder innocence have a lot to think about this weekend. Let's stop here for another break. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The

girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. He shouted and to the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him

to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to the girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney, hell is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd

never confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible, immoral thing, a line they won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. You may never have to face that decision when you find yourself at that line. Thoughts ricin, arn't ricin, And somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth, like this is evil and the only person who can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going to sit silently. Buy from iHeart podcasts.

These are the whistleblowers. If you are disloyal, things are going to happen to speak out disgrace to our gun. Evil play should be prosecuted when power corrupts, conscience is the last line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista and host of The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember my award winning first season. I've been pretty busy.

There's always time to talk to incredible guests about important things. People like me have been screaming for years. We've got to watch the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong, what they're doing is evil. They will take things away. And I can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment, girl, You and I both know what it took to just get through the day in New York City and get home in one piece. And so the fact that we're here and what you've achieved and

what I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable is because people are constantly attacking us and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to The Laverne Cox Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share in our twenty two years of friendship, Andy, this has to be the most

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day of testimony. It's the final day bearing witness to the most grisly details of how an entire branch of the family tree was chopped off in one night. In a previous episode, we analyzed Kenneth Roden's crime scene, known as crime Scene four, in depth, but Karen Luman adds an additional detail we had not heard about Kenny Rowden's murder. Do you have an a painting within a reasonable degree medical certainty as to the cause of death of Kenneth? Yes? Hey,

what would that be? Doctor? There was a single gunshot wound to the head. His eyes were closed because the bullet went through his eyelids. This is where we found the bullet. It is a refrain she touched upon. Across her testimony, James Pilcher Loman said she could tell many of the victims died in their sleep. It became apparent looking at where the wounds were that it seemed that many of them were shot multiple times and never moved, never appeared to have reacted to other people in the

house being shot as well. Here's Jeff speaking with Mike Gallen. It's more detail than we've ever gotten about the brutality of what happened to the Rodent family. And you know, there didn't appear to be much of a struggle, And she said that's not normally the case, my guess is that there they probably were asleep because I mean, if you hear a gun shot or if you see somebody coming at you holding a gun or anything at that time of night, I think your suspicions would be raised.

And you didn't have any defensive wounds and nobody really resisted. Yeah, it's it's it's hard to like picture it. I mean, for sure to many points too, that that Jake was not alone in shooting them, like there had to have been more than one shooter. I mean, if you think about if everyone was in bad if you go to Dana's, it's Dana, Hannah and little Chris. So were there three shooters at the same time? You know, I'm all counting down or could there be another reason no one woke up.

They're getting further and further away from tying it to the actual defendant. Here, we really got to get to the beginning when the plotting and planning in real conspiracy took place. And this is a fired bullet, a forty caliber. So the focus of testimony now is ballistics, the bullets that were found at each of those four crime scenes. It's part of a number of experts the state will be calling to show the jury the evidence to tie

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