Con Artists & Liars

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when you landed in Detroit, Providence, Denver, or Seattle. Listen to Sound of Our Town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In Pike County, the First Witnesses and the murder trial of George Wagner, the fourth took the stand. Imagine this. You go to your sister's house, to your nephew's house. You open the door and you find them shot to death in bed. It sounds medieval almost, but George Wagner, of the Fourth's lawyers

disputed almost all of that. They also pointed out that their client, despite phasing eight aggravated murder charges, is not believed to have killed anyone. This is the Pikes and Massacre Returned to Pike County Season four, Episode three con Artists and Liars. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KAT Studios, with Stephanie Ledecker and Jeff sha On the first day of the trial of George Wagner the fourth, opening statements for the prosecution clocked in at four hours.

It raised some eyebrows among media and legal experts for its length and amount of detail. After a lunch break, it was time for the defense to make their case heard. The defense attorneal here is Richard Nash. Is the defense ready to give an opening statement? Yes, you may do so. It's important to note that George Wagner, the Fourth, who is currently on trial, and his father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, have pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Good afternoon, everybody. April the twenty second, twenty sixteen. George Wagner lived on Peterson Road, and that day started off like most days. Nash is in his mid forties, bald, with a beard and glasses. He wears a bright red tie. Nash jumps right into the defense's narrative of what happened in the morning after the murders. George knew he had one task that he had to do that day, and that was to disassembly building a wood shed, so to speak. That was the one thing that he had to do.

But before George could take off to do that, he noticed that Jake was often that new barn up on that hill on Peterson Road. Nash is alluding to a barn that sits on a hill above where the entire Wagner family resided at the time of the murders. At that point, nothing seemed suspicious to George. H. Boll Agated was off that Jake was already up that day, and usually Jake is the second to rise. While they were headed back home to Peterson Road, Jake's cell phone went off.

There the caller was Andrew Carson. Andrew Carson said hello, Jake, and there he had a conversation. That's when he thought he was the first to tell Jake that the mother of his child, Hannah, had been murdered, along with six of her relatives. Jake, according to mister Carson, put on an act worthy of an Academy Award, an act where he calmed Carson into thinking that he was the first to tell him as he wept and cried on the phone, and that as the first time George learned about murders.

It's at this point the whole world becomes privy to the defense's main argument. George was not there that night and didn't know about the murderers until the next day. This is the first time we're hearing about this, let alone at his trial. The pretty bold moved by the defense to say he wasn't a period. My takeaway is that what George Wagner is attempting to do, which is a pretty interesting strategy, is remove himself from the culpability of even being aware that the murders were happening and

letting them happen. And it might work. I mean, the only evidence that we know of that the prosecution has is the shoeprint. As we know, there's nothing really tying George Wagner to the Rodan murders, the Knight of the murders, and this is a plausible workaround that the defense has come up with or is possibly the truth. We don't know if that's yet to be proven. But wouldn't that completely discount what his brother Jake Wagner is saying. It would staff, But what I think George Wagner is doing

is thinking about his own safety at this point. He's not worried about what Jake's plea deal is or what angel Is plea deal. He's worried about himself. What a showdown that's actually going to be when you take this part into account as well. So for the first time, George Wagner is going to see his brother, Jake Wagner, but they're also going to completely disagree on the story.

Shakespeare couldn't have written this better himself. I mean, we've heard how close these two brothers were for years growing up, that they stood by each other, that they protected one another. Now this contradictory story is really going to play out in court. And you know, we've been wrong before in terms of what our theories are, what we think, But I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that George Wagner did not know about these murders.

Here's reporter Annette Levy. I think it's interesting that they say that George wasn't even there, and I guess they have to write because if he's there, he's going down for aggravated murder, So they can't concede that point to the state. But they've talked about in a pre trial motion in the past that Jake said that George went along at the last minute because he feared that Billy might kill Jake at the end of the night. They've quoted Jake as saying that local journalist James Pilcher was

also in the courtroom. The defense is clearly stating that George wasn't there, that the first he heard about the murders was the next morning, and that Jake had gotten up before him and was getting rid of the evidence that morning before he even got up, And that was

surprising to me that they would play that gambit. But really really hammering on the fact that there is absolutely not one shred of physical evidence specifically tying George Wagner to the scene of the crimes or that he killed anybody. So they are going to leverage that as much as possible. As this strag goes on, it's clear at this point that the defense is going all in against the rest of the Wagner family. Nash continues to separate George from

his relatives. After some time, BCI had narrowed down who they felt were suspects. In fact, it's worthy to note that BCI had interviewed Jake Wagner four times. BCI, conducting their investigation, also felt it was important that they interviewed Angela Wagner. The third person that they felt that was important to talk to in the Wagner household was Billy Wagner. George was right there. Not once did they ever ask

to speak with George. Earlier that day. During the prosecution's opening statement, Angie Kneppa revealed that authorities kept tabs on the Wagners before their arrests, even when they were in Alaska. When the family decided to come back to Ohio, investigators were waiting for them at the US Canadian Board. Imagine, if you will, four individuals being surprised at a Montana order, agents putting them in separate rooms, and BCI walking in

and questioning them first. Billy gives in the vehicle. He's released first, and then Angela gets in the vehicle. Not a word, not a word about, oh my gosh, can you believe that happened? What they think we did this? No conversation like that at all, no conversation at all about what just happened. We find out later that there's a reason for that, because Billy had told them, you know, be quiet. The defense tells its side of the story.

We had special agents who had four different rooms where they spoke with all four family members, and George had an agent there speaking with him, Special agents and Pagan and he told George, your family has big problem. George, do you want to be a witness or do you want to be a sessment? Here again. James Pilcher, he was being questioned by the BCI when they came across the border in Montana, and he said, yeah, he had problems with his family, but he never knew them to

be violent. He couldn't believe it. He couldn't believe they would kill somebody. And he's at nine. Special Prosecutor Angie Kaneppa objects and she and defense Attorney Nash approached the bench and huddle with Judge Deering. It is very highly unusual that the prosecution would interrupt somebody just five minutes into their opening statement. And at that point they went to the bench and argued for two minutes, and then went back into chambers and argued for another eight to

nine minutes. And then the judge says, you know, opening statements amount evidence. So clearly the prosecution was trying to say, he's throwing this out there and he doesn't envy proof for it, and he needs to be called out. You might continue your older state, Thank you, judge. So back to that interview room with Special Agent Hageman, he had just a few statements to make. Then he said, if I don't know who did it, then you all go

down for conspiracy. And so Hageman never received any information. And here George says, if I don't hear who did it, you all go down for conspiracy. This is a trial about the state of Ohio against George Wager. It's not the Wagners. It's not Billy Wager. It's not Angela Wagner, nor is it Jake Wacker. This is all about George. There are certain things in life that we can't control. One of those things is our birth name. Unfortunately George cannot help that he's a wagon, but that doesn't make

him a murder. They are clearly relying on the fact that the prosecution has burden of proof here. They can just play defense and swat away anything or that they can sit there and say, well, George didn't know anything, and how can you prove it. George gets more animated as his attorney speaks, making eye contact with the cherry.

The media outside the courthouse is quick to comment and what the defense has really done well out is really trying to paint George as an individual, an individual who happened to be part of a family who had kind of a sortid pass and a pass with corruption and other criminal behavior. But their argument essentially is just because his family is this way doesn't mean that he's this way, and it certainly doesn't make him a murderer. As you hear the evidence in this case, there's five things I

want you to pay attention to. The first is going to be what Jake says. Jake will tell you that George had nothing to do with the plan of these murders. Jake will tell you that George shot no one. Jake will tell you that George did nothing to destroy any evidence, is clearly planning the finger at Jake and Angela and Billy, and that George had nothing to do with it. So do they just change their story because now they've seen all of the evidence and are just sort of making

a strategy switch. Yeah, I think so. And I think what they're gonna do is just call the credibility Jake and Angela, because that's what this case relies on. The second thing that I want you to pay attention to will be the credibility of Angela and Jake. The third thing that I want you to pay attention to is the incentives that were offered by the State of Ohio for such hing as crimes to Angela and Jake to get them to talk, to get them to tell a story.

This is a family of con artists, liars, and deeds. He says that in the or and that Jake became the vessel for all of that and George was not like them. George wanted to get away from them, and it's up to the prosecution to providings. That second thing I wanted to talk to you about is Jake and Angela, who are con artists and liars, We've already touched on it some. But Angela is the con artist through and through. That's who the state has is the key witness, con

artists and liars. Clearly, the defensive strategy is going to be these people are liars. You can't believe a thing they said. They've lied before. What makes you think they're not lying now? The cohan didn't stop, then it's continued. It's who they are. They've conned the state of Ohio into the most heinous crime, into a thirty year sentence, in a sentence most deserving of death, he escapes with life. The plea deal is what I'm speaking of. In order

to avoid the death penalty, they must implicate George. We're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. He shouted and to the point she

went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to the Girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney hell is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible immoral thing, a line they won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. You may never have to face that decision when you find yourself at that line. Thou its ricin, art ricin, and somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth. This is evil, and the only

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and start caring for your home the easier way. As nashleys into the rest of the Wagners, George listens with a hint of sadness on his face. Going back to the morning after the murders, the defense lays out their story. According to Nash, Jake was in the barn destroying cell phones, burning clothes, and breaking down the silencers and weapons used in the murders. There's no physical evidence George was at any of those murder scenes. There's no DNA, there's no prints,

and bci knew he had no motive. Outside the courtroom, Mike Allen comments, sure, she seems like it's a strong case for the state, But you know, the defense, I don't think they'd be taken this to trial unless they thought they had something. So it's going to be interesting to see again two of the family members plat out too to give people backstory. That's correct to clat out. I think the states loaded for bear, But again, we

just don't know what the defense strategy is. It's going to be interesting to see The defense closes by once again highlighting the character differences between their client, George Wagner the fourth and the rest of the Wagner family. The last thing I want to tell you about is George is not like his mother, his father, or as a brother. He's different from them. George disagreed with the way that

his family lived their life. He disagreed with them so much he actually engaged in physical fistfights with his father. George disliked the way that that family functions so much he was not part of them. That as soon as he could leave that home. As soon as he got his driver's license when he was sixteen years old, he left. He ran away George's like the most sixteen year olds, couldn't make it at sixteen, so unfortunately he had to

come back home. We believe the evidence will show that George could not have committed these murdys, and it goes further. We believe the evidence will show that Jake in fact killed all eight, but he had to implicate his father in actually killing somebody. But the evidence will show that Jake killed always. We've heard mixed things about George over the years, but we also have heard that he was just very loved and had close friendships, had very close relationships.

I go back to our interview with Chris Newcome, who was Angela Wagner's half brother, and he grew up very close with Jake and George, and he explained to us he felt completely betrayed by George, specifically because he considered him more like a brother than anything else, and he couldn't possibly imagine that he would have had anything to do with this more than any of the other family members.

And so I guess, I mean, is it possible that George didn't do this and he's been roped into this awful crime by his family who was scheming to kind of bring him down with them. Either that or he's a really good liar. This is the outline, your bullet points. You're going to see this, this, and this. Now. The prosecution obviously when much longer, they have a much gunch,

bigger case. They have all this evidence that they've been gathering for four years and not been able to present anybody, and so they just dumped it all over the jury. Knowing what we know now about the opening statements in what has been said, is it becoming possible that he could walk free or does that still seem completely impossible? It depends on how believable the jury finds Jake and Angela. Is it possible that he walks free? Absolutely as possible.

You never can tell. The next morning, witness testimony begins. First up is victim Dana Roden's sister Bobby Joe Manley. Bobby Manly and a friend found the first two victims, Chris Roden Senior and his cousin Gary. That discovery was quickly followed by this English nine one one call, which was played for the jury. Nine one yes, Yes, forty seven, seventy forty seventy seven, forty seventy seven. Okay fourtyero seven seventy emil correct, Yes, that's for you than man going on.

There's blood all over the house. Okay, my brother in lawson, I'll be the hell them. Okay, what's your brother in law's name? Chris Roden and Harry Roden, Frank and Garry Road start times and it looks like the Dad, I think they're both dead. I thank the breath. Dad. Let's our phone has pop out of Okay, there anybody else from the house. I don't know us. Okay, so door was awfull. We got here, but I haven't went in

and hit her running on the floor and out. Okay, enough starts like now, okay to stay out of the house. Don't let anybody go in there playing. Yeah, all right, we got deputing home. They okay, I thank you. I think it's always just worth mentioning. So many listeners reach out on a regular basis giving us tips, and we take every one of them seriously and do our very best to go down the rabbit hole on each of them.

We've also had listeners reach out to say they thought they heard something for example, and the nine one call, was there something else in the background that maybe we hadn't covered before, And we did look into that, for example, and ultimately we weren't able to hear anything that wasn't already reported about anything that listeners ond us. We put through a very strict filter of whether or not it's

worth sharing on this platform. We don't want to share any rumors or any mistruths because we know how toxic that can be for the family. But yeah, we always encourage our listeners to share and interact with the shop. After finding Chris Roden Senior and Gary Rodin, Manly told Kenepa she and her friend checked another trailer nearby and found the bullet riddled bodies of Frankie Rodin and his

fiance Hannah Gilly. Mercifully, a baby boy whom Hannah Gilly was likely nursing at the time survived, as would be expected. Bobby Joe still feels the trauma of that day. Lassie's and Jeff spoke with her niece who was very close to Hanna. Me Rodendamy and Hannah were only like six months and fourtune days apart, So you guys grew up together. I leave you roped Togevery is pretty close her and my little brother was close to him, and Christopher wasn't

very far apart either. When it first happened, like we was all really close with each other. And after the years started going out. The only other time we gather is like when we want to do like a release or a candlelighting for another year of them being dead. I used to hang out a lot with Bobby Joe, but like after everything happened, she just like completely changed. When Bobby Joe takes the stand as the first witness in the trial of George Wagner the fourth there is

no camera coverage. You know, a lot of people were watching the live stream, a lot of questions why was that? Why did that happen? Yeah, frustrating for people watching from home, frustrating for all of us covering the trial as well. It's because of an order from Judge Deering here that allows witnesses to either opt in or opt out. They can decide they don't want to be broadcasting that's video

or audio. We fought it, but the judge has ruled officially before this trial started that that's the way it is going to be Bobby Joe Manly tells her story to the jury, the media furiously taking notes in lieu of the camera feed. Bobby Joe, the youngest Manly sibling, was the first to find the bodies. Chris was Dana's ex husband. Bobby Joe and a friend, Billy Morgan, found a trail of blood leading to the bedroom. Chris and his cousin Gary were dead on the floor, covered by

a comfiter. The prosecution also showed the jury photos from inside the trailers of Chris, Senior, Frankie, and Dana Rodin, including where the Wagner family is accused of dragging Chris's body back to his bedroom. There are three photos shown to the jury. The first is pointing back from the living room towards a cracked open front door. There's a vacuum and a child's play chair in the corner. On the couch are two camouflaged jackets. Kids shoes are strewn

about the floor. There's a stick on logo next to the front door that says simply family. Another photo shows what looks to be a kid's room with a crib. The final photo is of a recliner in what looks to be the living room. There's a one foot wide streak of blood running from the base of the chair across the floor to somewhere else in the house. Anjeanette Levy was in the courtroom for the first morning of

testimony for Bobby Joe being on the stand. I thought she did a really good job recalling some really horrific events in her life, getting up there and testifying to these really awful things that have happened to their family and finding them and all of the things that they saw. Also on the stand today was a Pike County deputy who responded to the scene. In fact, they got flagged down by Bobby Joe outside of Frankie Rodin and Hannah Hazel Gilly's house. I don't think anybody really wants to

do that. When you're in public service, it's your job, and this is the biggest murder case in Ohio history. I'm so mad about this whole opting out crap, Like, if these family members can get up there talk about these awful things, as it's somebody paid by the taxpayers, you should be able to get up there too and show your face and talk about this. It's one thing to be fearful if you fear retribution. I can understand being scared. In this case, I understand Bobby Joe Manley.

She seems like a very quiet person. I get that. When you have people in public service opting out, what message does that send? It also doesn't send a good message.

When this is a an area that sees a lot of police corruption, or at least has seen a lot of police corruption, you would think you'd want to get up there and take a stand and say, you know what, this is the process, this is the accountability we can offer, and it's been done right, and we aren't going to allow this type of thing to happen in our community. Dana Rodin and Bobby Joe Manley's brother, James Manley, does

not opt out. His testimony gives us the first word for word account of what happened that morning from the perspective of the surviving members of the Rodent family. His words are few, good afternoon, How are you all right? Okay? Can you please state your name for the record and spell your last name? James okay? Okay? And mister Manley, how old are you? Forty six? Okay? James Manly has a beard and wears a black shirt. He sits back in his chair near the wall manly largely answers ange

Geneppa's questions with one or two word answers. I know this witness isn't showing much emotion right now here on the stand. However, I can't imagine what it would be like to come upon that crime scene and see all of that. I think he's amazingly composed in that he's describing probably the most horrific day of his life. And to ask him to go through that step by step without breaking down, without being emotional, I think he's doing

a really good job. This prosect, I think can do a better job helping that witness paint that awful picture for the jury. If you have a witness that isn't as talkative as other people might be, the onus is on the prosecutor to then kind of get as close to a leading question as you can get, or as the judge might allow, because you're just not going to get it from the witness. Let's stop here for another break. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends.

Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town. Bob he spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't hoped and to the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice.

I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to the girl Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney hell is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible, immoral thing, a line they won't cross.

I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. You may never have to face that decision when you find yourself at that lineouts ricin Orn's Ricin and somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth, like this is evil and the only person who can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just gonna sit silently. Buy from iHeart Podcasts. These are the whistleblowers. If you are disloyal, things are going to happen to speak out

disgrace to our cut. Evil should be prosecuted when power corrupts. Conscience is the last line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, and host of The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember my award winning first season.

I've been pretty busy. There's always time to touch incredible guests about important things people like me have been screaming for years. We've got to watch the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong, what they're doing is evil. They will take things away and I can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment, gro You and I both know what it to just get through the day in New York City and get home in one piece. And so the fact that we're here and what you've

achieved and what I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable is because people are constantly attacking us and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to The Verne Cock Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share. Hello and

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So I'm on a mission to find out the frightening, filthy and downright jaw dropping stories of these stately homes and the people in him. This podcast ventures deep inside some of Britain's most incredible and outrageous buildings to spill the tea on the scandalous, scary, shocking and hilarious Tales. So if you want to get historically horrid, royally raucus and down to dirty, look no further. Listen to Bad Manners on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

get your podcasts. Andrew Kneppa coax is more information out of James Manley, the only son in a family of three sisters. He uses the present tense to describe sister Cathy and the past tense to speak about his late sister Diana Roden. No white, Dad took off find her something was wrong and then what did you do? Jumped in what's up? And followed him up to and where did you go? Frankie has okay. When he gets there, he finds Bobby Joe Manley distraught holding Hannah Hazel, Gilly

and Frankie Roden's baby. Ask her what can Hael happen? Okay, you asked, Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe breaks the news to her brother James about the four murders. Manly enters Frankie and Hannah Hazel's house. Can you describe what you saw? Blood everywhere? You said blood everywhere, okay? And when you say blood everywhere, can you tell us where specifics? On the body on the bed, on the walls. Frankie Rodin and his fiance Hannah Hazel Gilly dead in bed. Hazel

had been nursing. They're months old son at the time. James Manly then drove to his sister Dana's house down the road to tell her her son was dead. After you knocked on the door and it opened, What did you do? Put you out of her name? Then? What happened? Live? Kept you on her name? What dirt bedsum? At this point, Manly is showing emotion. His face is flushed as he describes finding his sister Dana Roden's room is dark. He feels along the foot of her bed and touches her foot.

He tries to wake her up. Man toward her head. And when you got to where you thought her head was, what did you do? And I felt like a pillow of her head. I started picked a pillow up, and you feel like stuck. So you started lifting up the pillow, but you could feel that it was sticking, yeah, or it was stuck. Yeah, okay, And you said then you ran out of the house or when I just turned around and walked back out? Okay? And why did you do that? Like, what did you think because there did okay?

What made you think that? Cause bred pillow stuff? Did you hear anything in the house? He could hear his niece, Hannah May Rowden's new baby crying in another room. He just couldn't bring himself to look. She was dead there too, her brother Chris Junior dead and yet another room. The final testimony of day one is from Justin Wearing. He's one of the EMT drivers who gets to Frankie and Hannah Hazel's house shortly after James Manley does. When he arrives,

he sees kids in the yard. There were two. There was a young child that was probably four or five years old that was running around in the yard. And then there was a infant child who was around six months old. And did you notice anything unusual about the infant? The infant was covered with blood. His vibra was saturated with blood. Images of an infant covered in the blood of his family are difficult to comprehend for everyone in

the courtroom. This is only the beginning of a long, dark journey full of the horrific details of what happened that night in Pike County. We are also getting a first look at the crime scenes in the Pike County massacre, and we want to warn you some of the images are disturbing. We don't really know the full scope of what the Rodent family faced. Does the prosecution hold back any level of violence or the gore of that, or do they just put it all out there for them

to see. Can you imagine the level of grief and despair they have to sit there and look at these autopsy photos. One of the issues, for instance, will be ranged a fire. You know, how far was it from the end of the muzzle to a bullet hole in the forehead. I don't know that people can fully fathom what went on in those molds. It's monboggle. More on that next time. For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios.

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