A Family Torn

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you get to your podcast. Much of today's testimony was about the rocky relationship between Hannah Roden and Jake Wagner. The two had dated and they also had a daughter together. Okay, miss Many, can you tell us who she was afraid of? The Wagner family. You know this was an abusive relationship between Hannahme and Jake. She talked about Jake chasing her

down in a vehicle one time. Even though George Wagner is the one on trial here, all of this testimony about Jake is relevant because prosecutors say a custody battle over is the reason four members of the Wagner family murdered eight members of the Roden family. One of the defense lawyers told the Jersey, every time you hear the Wagner keep in mind that George Wagner is the only one on trial here. This is the Piked and Massacre.

Return to Pike County Season four, Episode eight, A family Torn m Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios, with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane in the middle of George Wagner, the fourth's trial. A typical Ohio fall has settled on Piked In. The wind is picked up and temperatures are dropping into the thirties. But unlike the vibrant autumn leaves springing up all around the Pike County Courthouse in Waverley, Ohio, the mood in the courtroom is dark.

In the biggest murder investigation in Ohio's history. Jake Wagner's older brother, George the Fourth, stares down eight counts of aggravated murder with death penalty specifications. It's important to note that George Wagner the Fourth, currently on trial, has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also

pleaded not guilty to all charges. This episode contains frequent mentions of the names of the children impacted by this crime. We will continue to avoid exposing their identities. Here's Judge Randy Deering. Now there's a state ready to proceeded to stop right, is the defense ready? All the state may call him on the witness. Of course, this entire trial has been gut wrenching, but today's testimony was also deeply emotional as Prosecutor Angie Kineppa called friends and family of

the Rodents to the stand. These relatives and friends were forced to relive the day the Rodents had been murdered, where they were, when they found out whom they were with, and how they handled the harrowing news the state. April. The first witness was April Manly, the wife of James Manly, Dana Roden's brother. April was Hanname's aunt and extremely close to her. She has long blonde hair and wears a rose colored Vnex sweater on the stand. Intermittently, April wipes

tears from her eyes. She lives less than a mile to the east of Dana Roden's home. On the morning of the murders, April said she rode in the ambulance to Adams County Regional Medical Center with Hanname's newborn baby, her child with Charlie Gillie. The four day old was unharmed. Fighting back tears, April said her husband, James knew something was wrong when outside the road and home he heard Hanname's infant crying NonStop. They knew Hanname would not let

her baby cry like that. So your husband comes back and tells you that that he believes DNA is dead. Yes, what do you do? As result of that? I went with you. Master Dad's was an emotional wret. I didn't want him to be alike. Did he tell you anything about at that time? Jameses, Yeah, they'd hurt cry. Anna d wouldn't walked back here. He knew what kinda mother. Hannah wasn't she wouldn't be currently okay, So he was concerned because he felt Hannah would have been tending to

the baby. Yes. Then at the hospital, April had what she described as an unsettling encounter with Jake. According to April, Jake seemed apathetic about hannahme Rodin's death. He seemed more concerned with taking custody of her newborn child, who we would come to learn was not even his. And while you were there, did anybody else show up to the hospital? I got recall who all? But I knew when there was a couple of my nieces and nephews there and a cousin of mine. And then eventually at the end,

Jake showed up, Jake Wagner. Okay, And where were you when Jake Wagner showed up? I was outside? Okay? And can you tell us how that interaction went? He was motionless? That makes sense to he did? I cried, and I like, he wasn't worried about nothing. Wasn't someone that bought, had just lost someone that claimed to love, So he was not showing emotion in that time. Okay, why was he there? He came to checking to see if he could take her. Did you inform him that he could not take her? Yes? Okay?

And did he hug you at all while he was there? Yes. April then commented that she wondered whether Jake had Hannah's blood on him when he was embracing her. Jake was extremely controlling over Hannah me Rodin, April said, and had negatively shaped her body image. He was very controlling over Hannah, like we wasn't allowed to text check her treat and

even knows Hannah's week. Hannah was always a chunky little monkey, and she had got down so tiny because he would tell her that she was fat and tell her not to eat. Did Hannah ever tell you that she was scared yes, of Jake? Yes? And did she indicate that she was afraid of Jake and his family? Yes? Okay? And can you tell us what she was afraid of? The defense objects to this line of questioning, and Judge

Daring sustains the objection. According to April, Jake also physically threatened Hannah on multiple occasions, even engaging her in a dangerous high speed chase. And can you tell us you indicated Jake Wagner was the one who would be around the most because of Hannah, and then he would sometimes be up at that residence that Frankie and Hazel were found in, when Dana and Hannah and little Chris lived there. Can you tell us what your interactions would have been

with him? We didn't interact. I didn't like him. He didn't like me, Okay, Why not because he thought I was noisy and needed just stay in my place because I would defend Hannah, Okay. And how do you know that he felt that way? Because I was at my house one evening and Ned got into it and Hannah'd left. She had just got a driver's license, she was a

new driver, and she called me. He'd left after her, and she called me and said he was chasing her around at high speeds, and I told her to try to get away somewhere, and she got finally got away from him and hid behind a church on Union Hill, and I called her mom, and her mom caught her dad, and then I called Hannah back and stayed home with her. That's so Chris Scott to her. April commented that it

wasn't only Jake she found scary. Hannah was also fearful of Billy Wagner, who usually walked around with a gun holster to his side. April also described the disturbing experience of seeing the Wagners at the Rodents funerals. Did you see Billy Wagner there at the funeral? Yes? Did you observe any injuries on him at that time? He had bruisine only his face. And what about Jake Wagner did

you see him at the funerals? Yes? Okay? Emotional and raw, April Manley was an effective witness for Angie Caneppa's team, offering deeper insight into Jake's depravity. Here's Long Crime Network reporter a Jeanette Levy. She's been following the case for years. I think April Manly provided some really good testimony for the prosecution. She talked about how you know this was

an abusive relationship between hannahme and Jake. She talked about how the Wagner's Billy, George, and Jake attended the funerals of the road and family members. I mean, that's pretty stunning to think that somebody who was part of killing your family members showed up at the funerals with their family members who were also accused. Now Billy and George

maintained they didn't do this. They've pleaded not guilty. But just the fact that we actually have photographs and video of Jake and George and Billy at the funerals is pretty stunning. It's very eerie. But April manly provided some

testimony that was very damaging to Jake Wagner. It should be pointed out that none of an April's testimony incriminates George the fourth or puts him at the crime scene, nor does it indicate that George Wagner had any motive to carry out his brother's grudge against Hannah may Roden. But according to Ohio based criminal defense attorney and legal analyst Mike Allen, Kneppa is trying to weave a larger narrative about the Wagners as a family unit that did

everything together, including murder. One of the defense lawyers, in his opening statement, was very very short, told the jurors that every time you hear the Wagners, you know, keep in mind that George Wagner is the only one on trial here, and you know, we don't know what went on in chambers. When the judge talks from the prosecutor and defense counsel. I mean, perhaps the judge told all the prosecutor, hey, you know, you're getting a little bit

of field on some of these witnesses. You're going to have to narrow it down. That happens all the time. But it sure seems though, like he had pretty much free reign to tell the tale of the Wagner family, even if what the witnesses were saying was not particularly relevant to George. A lot of testimony came in that was not relevant to George. As a matter of fact, I'd go as far as to say most of it. But again, she's telling the story. The judge was letting

her do it. I would have done the same thing if I was prosecuting the case. Judges will permit prosecutors to do things like this, telling the tale and setting it up like that, But at some point, if it gets to be too much, the judge can step in. But he didn't feel it appropriate to do that. And you know, again, I think it was the prosecutor's desire to just weave the tale about how awful this family was. Another part of the prosecution strategy is to maintain constant

sympathy for the victims. Obviously, the prosecutor wants to create as much sympathy for the victims that she can, and from what I understand, she has been able to do that. You know, the roads are obviously their family members were brutally murdered and they want to be there. And it helps the state too with the jury because again I think there was a motion shown at the appropriate time,

so it helps the state. Were the Wagners, including George, the tight knit clan they appeared to be, did they always take action as a unit following what's known in the Appalachian fringe as the Code of the Hills. So far, the prosecution may have fallen short of proving that. Here again internet Jake's daughter. Custody of his daughter is really what the prosecution says was the motive in this case, and they say it's a conspiracy and that four people

were involved in the conspiracy. So a lot of the testimony seems to point more to Jake, and we hear way more about Jake and Angela Wagner than we do about George. So George seems like in some ways to not be that much of a fixture or a feature in his own murder trial. At a lot of points when we're listening to some of this testimony, it seems strange. It's not the first time I've covered a trial where it seems like you don't hear that much about the defendant.

When I've seen this happen in the past, it's always been a case that involved more than one defendant, right. I mean, Jake Wagner is really the main player in this case. And Jake Wagner, of course pleaded guilty and admitted it said that this is why the family carried

out these crimes. But if you're George Wagner's defense attorneys, I would think you'd be thinking, you know what, my guy's name hasn't been mentioned very often up to this point, so I'd be trying to exploit that as much as I could, because it's all been about Jake and Hannah may Or, about Angela and Hannah may Or, Angela and Jake and the child. It hasn't really been that much about George. We're going to take a break. We'll be

back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, A few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. He shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girl friends

know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to the girl Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney Hill is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never

confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible immoral thing, a line they won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. You may never have to face that decision. When you find yourself at that line. It's ricin ORNs ricin and somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth, like this is evil and the only person who can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going to

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Did you listen to? My message? We're just trying to get bought. I think I was just freaking out because I'm scared by connecting with each other. I'm going to be a father. Yes? Are you feeling this? A fiction podcast? Mixtape about love? Listen to it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. April Manley's son Cody also takes the stand. He's got short blonde hair and glasses and wears a blue checkered button down shirt. He is very composed. Please tell me if I am

correct about this. Your testimony is that you saw George Wagner a few times at Chris's fireworks correct, yes, okay, And that you knew him enough to recognize him correct correct, okay. And in addition to that, you saw him at the funeral correct okay. Do you recognize him in the courtroom here today? Yes? And can you please tell us where he is sitting in what he is wearing over there? And at vest and white shirt and black hie. Cody

and Frankie Rodin were best friends. Frankie lived down the road from Cody and rode with him every day to work. On the morning of April twenty second, Frankie didn't show up at Cody's house like he usually did, so Cody drove over to the Rodens to see what was going on. Cody described arriving at the scene of the murders and seeing his aunt Bobby Joe Manley's car along with the police officer's car. He then walked into the scene of the crime. I just put alongside the road and walked in.

And frankis okay, and can you tell us where did you see the cop car? Where was Bobby Joe's car in? Rodo's car was in the driveway slash yard and the cop car was like driveway slashwaard. Okay, so kind of half half in the driveway and half in the road, right okay. And you walked into Frankie's house, right okay? And what happened? I want tweets bedroom and like fruits? Why did you freeze? Because I saw things I didn't want to see. What he saw was Frankie Rodin and

Hannah Hazel lying in a pool of blood. Cody testified that Chris Senior's dog, Chance probably knew the killers because they would have likely attacked them if he didn't. Something special about cheese, something different? What was that? What do you mean different? Well? Was Chance a gentle dog or or not? To me? Yes? He was gentle to you, and chance knew you because you had been to that proper often, right, right, I was a chance with people he didn't know. They wont went in the house. Here's

Angeinette's overview of Cody's testimony. Cody Manly is Hannah May's cousin and the son of James and April Manly, and he was close with Frankie Rowden. He ended up actually going down to Frankie's house and saw Bobby Joe in the driveway, and he walked into the house to see what was going on, and he actually found Frankie and Hannah Hazel dead in the bed. A deputy came in and told him, look, you've got to get out of here.

He said he was frozen, he just couldn't move. And he testified about Hannah May being fearful of the Wagners. He didn't say necessarily that Hannah May was fearful of George, but that she did fear the Wagoners. She wasn't living there with the Wagoners anymore. That's why she broke it off with Jake. He had made some threats to her in the past as well, and kept her in her bedroom for periods of time and wouldn't let her leave the house. So listening to Cody Manley talk about how

Hannah was fearful of the Wagners was pretty telling. First of all, can you tell us your name? Kendra Rodin Okay? And Kendrick? Can you tell us how would you are twenty five? Okay? And where do you work? I currently work as a nurse at Brookdale. It's a nursing facility for demental residence. Okay? And where is that located? And Inglewood, Ohio. Kendra Roden, Kenneth's daughter, also gave heart wrenching testimony. She wore a white shirt with lace accents and her long

blonde hair and a neat braid. She was extremely close to Hannah May and witnessed many of Jake's abuses. And you mentioned Hannah. Who are you talking about when you say Hannah? Hannah Roden? She was Chris's daughter, She was my cousin, my best friend. We were like sisters. And can you tell us for how long of your life that was? Was that? Did that start in early childhood or did that start later in life? Early childhood we were only a month apart, so we had been together forever.

Kendra echoed April Manley's claim that Jake was controlling and cruel. Did you continue to hang out with Jake and Hannah on various occasions? Yes, okay. Was there ever a time that you expressed a disliking of Jake? Yes? I told Hannah I did not like Jake okay? And can you tell us what led you to say that? He would constantly try to be controlling? He would follow her anywhere we went. She was never allowed to be a loan.

So give us some examples of that. An example would be when we went to the Reared and White Tail Deer Festival, Hannah would like need to go to the bathroom, or we would say that we were going to go to the bathroom and Jake had attack among and then he would wait outside until we were done. And did anything happen at the I believe you said, the Cyota

County Fair, Yes, ma'am okay. At the Sida County Fair, Jake had made a demeaning remark to Hannah Roden and grabbed her by the arm, in which I turned and kicked him in the shin because I didn't like it. And then Hannah got in between the both of us. She had come to me, She had arranged a little day for us to be together, and we had went to a man made pond that my family had built out on left Work Road. We were swimming and fishing in the pond there when she stopped and she told

me that she was pregnant. I thought she was joking. I was hoping she was joking, but she told me she was really pregnant with his child and that everything was going to be okay. Did you support her through that process as much as I could? I wasn't allowed to be around. And when you say you weren't allowed by who? By Jake Wagner. At one point during her separation, Hannah shared with Kendra deeply disturbing voice recordings of Jake. It was testimony that ran a gauntlet of objections from

the defense. At some point, did Hannah end up leaving Jake? Yes, ma'am, And what do you remember from that? The night that she had left Jake, she came to my mother's residency where I was staying at seven dollars Lane, and she was a little distraught. We light on my bed and she had played audio recordings from Jake Wagner phone calls that they had had or from when they were in person. There are multiple different ones about incidents that had occurred

between Jake and her. Okay. And do you know what occurred between them? Yes, ma'am. She not only told me, but had played audio recordings of Jake admitting to hitting her, choking her, pushing her against a wall. When he was admitting to that stuff, what was the tenor of those in the tone of those recordings, was he saying other things to her? For instance? And was this before or after Hannah had left Jake? It was after she had left Jake. How are you able to listen to this conversation?

Hannah had the phone on speaker phone, that way I could be witnessed anything that was said. Okay, And there was an intentional act on her part, yes, ma'am. Okay. And how do you know that it was Jake Wagner on the other end of the phone. I've met Jake before, I've talked to Jake before. I know his voice. And

what was that discussion that you heard? The discussion was actually because Hannah had found out she was pregnant with her youngest and Jake had believed that was his and we were trying to point out to him that she absolutely was not his and that he couldn't be a part of her life. And at what point do you learn My aunt Michell had later got a text because none of us had service, and she became frantic and screamed out that my father was that you were still

at the church at that time. Yes, ma'am, let's stop here for another break. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper. But he wasn't he re Julie wasn't he shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about of anything, but only takes the one

time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call him and I would say, I know you killed my sister. I will always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to the girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney, hell is

going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was just a really terrible, immoral thing, a line they won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. You may never have to face that decision when you find yourself at that line. Bounce ricin, arn't ricin, and somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth. This is evil and the only person who can sound

the alarm is you. I wasn't just going to sit silently. Buy from iHeart podcasts. These are the whistleblowers. If you are disloyal, things are going to happen. To speak out disgrace to our gun. Evil play should be prosecute. When power corrupts, conscience is the last line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, and host of

The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember my award winning first season. I've been pretty busy. There's always time to touch incredible guests about important things. People like me have been screaming for years. We've got to watch the Supreme Court. Where they're doing is wrong. What they're doing is evil. They will take things away, and I can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment. Girl. You and I both know what it took to just get through the day in New York City and get home

in one piece. And so the fact that we're here and what you've achieved and what I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable is because people are constantly attacking us and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to The la Verne Cox Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share.

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take a trip down memory lane together. Listen to how Rude tannertos on the iHeartRadio Appicable podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and Kneppa asked Kendra to describe the moment she learned of the murders and was helped out by a quote stadie or state police. Do you stay at the church? Upon learning that my father had been killed as well? I walked down the hill there until a family friend had actually picked me up. Her name was Melissa, and I told her that I just needed

to get across the highway. She took me across the highway and I got out. There was a stadi there that stopped me. I just I was trying to get Tannah because I just wanted to be with her. I was crying and the stadi I had dropped to the ground. The stadie helped me get back up. At what point

did you learn that something had happened? My boyfriend at the time I had woke me up around eight thirty, we had missed a phone call from a family friend, Nicole Francis, that had said that my uncle Chris Senior, had been shot. She had heard it on a police radio. So I called her back, and at that point she had told me that Chris had been shot. I tried to call Hannah. I can't get a hold of Hannah. I can't get a hold of anybody so my brother

and I, his girlfriend and my ex boyfriend. We drove to Union Hill, in which we were stopped just before Frankie Driveway, stopped by whom the sheriffs that were there. It's a time that you got that call. Was the only information you had was that Christinior had been shot? Yes, ma'am. At what point did you learn differently? At some point, my brother Luke Rowden had obtained some information from one of the sheriffs that Hannah had also been shot, in which he had come and told me that she had

been shot as well and she was dead. What did you do at that point? I became very upset. I couldn't believe that she had also been shot. I cried, we age. There was a few of us that had actually tried to push past the sheriffs. At this point, George, the fourth lawyer, began a flimsy cross asking Kendra if she had any knowledge of Chris Senior's drug dealings. The line of questioning ran aground, now referring to the information

which you had provided previously to law enforcement. You had given information about an individual you know as Big Mike. Is that right? Yes? And Big Mike is someone who is from the Cincinnati area to my knowledge, Okay, that's information that you had given agents though, right, that I had heard from my father. You were asked about drug dealing with your family's involvement with drug dealing. Right you are asked that question? Yes, okay, And so I'm eventually

going to ask you about Big Mike. Did you ever observe an African American mel with Chris Senior or your father? Not a reall? Okay? Do you have personal knowledge of Chris Senior preparing to buy a building for a pill mill? No? Do you remember providing that information to agents? I provided it based on Hairsay, okay. You were also asked about Billy Wagner by associate or by agents? Right? Yes, you described the relationship between Chris Senior and Billy Wagner as

business associates. Yes, you're aware of Chris Senior's involvement in marijuana traffic right, yes, And you're aware that he was in Asian more than just Mariworna traffic. Not firsthand knowledge you had told me SEI agents about more than just Marimann traffic. Yes, based on what I heard. Thank you? Again and again, the defense failed to gain ground and George the Fourth's favor, but neither really did the prosecution

make a clear case against Jake's older brother George. Instead, they seem focused on painting Jake, as I said, sociopath here again, Mike Allen. It's not all that probitive or relevant because George is on trial, not Jake. But I think the prosecution had a strategy to paint Jake. It's kind of a depraved lunatic throughout the entire trial, and I think they were successful in doing it. I mean, anytime that they could take a shot at Jake one way or the other, they did. I think that was

probably the strategy there. Oh. I think the jury's picking up on that, and the prosecutor has been pounding it throughout the trial, and it just shows that this is a family like no other family that I've seen before. They're depraved and they don't care about anyone other than their family, and that is coming through loud and clear on this trial. But George's abuse of tendencies will come to light soon when his x weft Tabitha takes the stand.

Here's Mike and Angeanette. Well Tambatha was on the stand the next day and gave testimony that she worked at the group home that Frederica Wagner owned. It was called Crystal Springs. She cheated on George while working at that group home. They fired her and took her phone. She was allowed to go outside home alone when she was there. And it's really frightening too, you know. She talked about

that night she fled the house. She said that Angela and Hannah May had gone out to get some toys for the kids and she was home with her son, and Angela had told her. She claimed that she needed to clean up the dishes from lunch. Well, she didn't do it. She laid down to take a nap with her son, and she said that when Angela came home, she was very upset with her for not completing that task or that chore. There was an argument. George got upset with her for yelling at Angela. George slapped her

and hit her with a belt. She escaped living with them by hiding under George's truck, then getting a bike out of the barn and riding away. She rode the bike down to the gas station down the road and she had her mom pick her up. She was hiding from them because he was scared of being shot. George took their son to Alaska when the Wagoners fled, but did not let Tabitha know she had no contact with

her son while the Wagoners were in Alaska. George kept making excuses as to why, and one of George's closest friends testifies that George wasn't in his usual self after the killings. Samantha Staley had also testified though, that after the homicides, she was with George and some other people and they went fishing, and she said, he wasn't the same George. He just different. It wasn't the same George.

And she brought up the fact that Frankie had been killed in the rest of the family and he George, she said, told her to shut the f up, which sounds like it was pretty out of character for him, at least when dealing with her. More on that next time. For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. The Piked and Masker is produced by Stephanie Lydecker, Jeff Shane, Alan Wider,

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