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The Perfect Scam

AARP's weekly podcast The Perfect ScamSM tells the stories of people who find themselves the target of a scam. Host Bob Sullivan introduces listeners to those who have experienced scams firsthand, as well as professional con artists and leading experts who pull back the curtain on how scammers operate.
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Women Take Back Control from Romance Scammers, Part 1

After the death of her husband, friends encourage Debbie, a former intelligence officer, to try online dating. There she meets a handsome man who claims he's a British doctor living in America but working overseas. Wanting to ease into a new relationship, Debbie is happy to have a long-distance confidant. The two grow closer, texting every day. Then, two years in to the relationship the unthinkable happens: Debbie's online boyfriend reveals he's a scammer.

Jun 19, 202037 minEp. 69

Rachel Tobac Hacks 'The Perfect Scam'

White-hat hacker Rachel Tobac takes on "The Perfect Scam," scouring the internet and gathering intel about host Michelle Kosinski, that a hacker could use in a real-life scenario. Rachel, a three-time DEF CON conference capture-the-flag second place winner, is the CEO and cofounder of SocialProof Security, which helps people and companies keep their data safe. Rachel shares her knowledge of social engineering and walks Michelle through a "live" phishing scam.

Jun 12, 202032 minEp. 68

Hollywood Con Queen, Part 2

Celebrity photographer Joe Scarnici spent thousands of dollars trying to complete an assignment in Indonesia for someone posing as billionaire Christina Ong. Another photographer, Carley Rudd, had a similar experience with a person claiming to be Wendi Deng. Comparing notes, they realize they are caught up in a scam that has been weaving its way through Hollywood freelancers. Investigators pick up the case, trying to decipher who is behind the scam and why they're doing it.

Jun 05, 202039 minEp. 67

Hollywood Con Queen, Part 1

Joe Scarnici works around the globe as a celebrity photographer, so when he gets a call from a man who proclaims himself the assistant of billionaire Christina Ong, he's intrigued but not shocked. The assistant says Joe was recommended to Ong by one of his past clients, Martha Stewart. After speaking about the project, a photo shoot of Olympic athletes in Southeast Asia, Joe decides to sign on. A contract is signed and he flies to Indonesia, where he becomes entangled in a complex scheme that ha...

May 29, 202032 minEp. 66

Scammers Persuade Grandfather to Send Ransom by Mail

Seventy-nine-year-old Jack receives a call from a young woman claiming to be his granddaughter, Grace. She tells Grandpa Jack that she's in jail as a result of a car accident and begs him to call her attorney. The attorney claims that Grace was texting and driving and needs money for bail. Jack is instructed to send the money in cash through the mail. Before the ordeal is over, Jack sends $19,000 through the mail — but with the guidance of the police, he's able to fight back against the scammer....

May 22, 202029 minEp. 65

Felony Lane Gang Steals Purses & Identities

When Kathy's purse is stolen, she follows the standard protocol: informing the police and canceling all of her credit and debit cards. She thinks the theft is an isolated incident. But a month later while making a $21 purchase, her new debit card is declined. Later at home, she receives calls from multiple bank branches regarding checks she's supposed to have deposited, but Kathy hasn't deposited any checks. Kathy realizes she is a victim of fraud — but is shocked to learn the intricate scheme h...

May 15, 202035 minEp. 64

Scammers Set Up Fake Coronavirus Test Site

As the world grapples with the coronavirus pandemic, scammers are taking advantage of this unprecedented time of fear and uncertainty. In this special episode, we'll hear from the Department of Justice about a new crop of coronavirus-related scams, including info on what to look out for and how to protect yourself. Then, Shannon, an essential worker and coronavirus survivor, shares her story of her encounter with a fake pop-up COVID-19 testing site in Kentucky.

May 08, 202033 minEp. 63

Scammers Fabricate Drug Cartel to Steal Family's Life Savings

In Utah, Machal is busy caring for three of her grandchildren while her daughter recovers from surgery, when she gets a phone about her Social Security number. The man on the phone claims to be from the Social Security Administration and says that multiple bank accounts have been set up by a drug cartel using Machal's number. He tells Machal that her family is in danger, she needs to act quickly. She is told that the drug cartel is watching her, so for their safety, she is to tell no one what's ...

May 01, 202026 minEp. 62

Phishing Scam Targets Shark Tank's Barbara Corcoran

Barbara Corcoran is known for her business acumen, and with nearly 50 years in real estate under her belt, the 70-year-old mogul is still going strong. Corcoran can be seen every week as an investor and judge on ABC's hit show Shark Tank and remains an active player in real estate development. Armed with this knowledge, scammers employ an elaborate email phishing scheme in an attempt to steal Barbara's money.

Apr 24, 202031 minEp. 61

Grandmother Entangled in Money Mule Scam Part 2

Annie and her children think the worst of the romance scam is over, until she comes home to flowers on her doorstep. Annie assumes they're from Mark, the man she has learned is a con artist, but the flowers are addressed to a woman named Sasha, and sent by a man Annie's never heard of. As Annie looks into the mysterious delivery, she and her family discover this scam is bigger and more dangerous than they ever imagined.

Apr 17, 202037 minEp. 60

Grandmother Entangled in Money Mule Scam Part 1

Annie makes the tough decision to put her husband of 35 years into a nursing home for his dementia. She finds her new life without him lonely and decides to join an online dating site to look for a platonic friend. After some time she meets Mark, a widower and architect living in California. Annie, who lives in the Midwest, finds the distance perfect as she wants only a friendship. Annie believes she's found the perfect friend, but in reality she is being lured into an elaborate romance scam....

Apr 10, 202030 minEp. 59

Terror Over the Phone: Virtual Kidnappings, Part 2

In part two of this special two-part episode on virtual kidnappings, we speak with the FBI to discuss how these scams started, why they're so successful and what is being done to stop them. We talk to the FBI Special agent who cracked a virtual kidnapping ring, and — with virtual kidnappings on the rise in the U.S. — you'll learn what to do if you receive a call. Then, for the first time ever, fraud expert and our host Frank Abagnale and his son, FBI Special Agent Scott Abagnale, sit down to do ...

Feb 14, 202044 minEp. 58

Terror Over the Phone: Virtual Kidnappings, Part 1

On an uncharacteristically rainy Southern California day, Kathie gets a call that will change her life. Her cellphone displays the caller as unknown. Even though she's hesitant, Kathie decides to answer. On the line she hears screaming and a man claiming to have Kathie's daughter. The man addresses both Kathie and her daughter by name, but something about the interaction feels off. Terrified, Kathie isn't sure what to do next. Unbeknownst to Kathie, she has been drawn into a "virtual kidnapping,...

Feb 07, 202023 minEp. 57

Bonus Episode: You've Got Mail, With Frank Abagnale, Second Edition

On this special episode of the podcast, our host, fraud expert Frank Abagnale, answers your questions. We dive into viewer emails to get Frank's take on a wide variety of subjects, including using public Wi-Fi, DNA testing and cash transfer apps. Tune in to hear the answers to your burning questions and get Frank's tips on how to protect yourself against fraud.

Jan 31, 20209 min

Bonus Episode: You've Got Mail, With Frank Abagnale, Second Edition

On this special episode of the podcast, our host, fraud expert Frank Abagnale, answers your questions. We dive into viewer emails to get Frank's take on a wide variety of subjects, including using public Wi-Fi, DNA testing and cash transfer apps. Tune in to hear the answers to your burning questions and get Frank's tips on how to protect yourself against fraud.

Jan 31, 20209 min

Stolen Homes: Mortgage Relief Scams

During the housing market crash, homeowners across the United States found themselves drowning in mortgage payments that they could not afford to make. Scammers like Jonathan Herbert took advantage of this crisis to steal money from unsuspecting homeowners. Herbert created Federal Mortgage Marketplace, a company that claimed to be government affiliated and able to help homeowners reduce their mortgage payments. Herbert preyed on homeowners whose desperation to avoid foreclosure made them particu...

Jan 24, 202024 minEp. 56

Good Vs. Evil: Inside the World of an Ethical Hacker

Hackers are thought of as villains who use their advanced computer skills to gain unauthorized access to data and wreak havoc. But "ethical" or "white hat" hackers help companies protect themselves against attack. These information security experts use the techniques employed by malicious hackers to reveal real-world vulnerabilities that could result in a hack. Ethical hacker Jason Glassberg is a founder of a company that has been hired by Fortune 500 companies to hack into their systems and exp...

Jan 17, 202021 minEp. 55

The $25 Million Tech-Support Scam

A pop-up appears on your computer screen, freezing the browser. It warns that your computer has been infected with malware and urges you to call a toll-free number for assistance. The number connects you to Client Care Experts, and the person who answers claims to be an IT specialist. But the person on the other end of the line is no expert. He is one of more than a hundred employees who are sitting in a boiler room in Florida, answering calls day and night, making false claims and manipulating ...

Jan 10, 202021 minEp. 54

Beware the Boardwalk Psychic

Marlene is enjoying the Atlantic City boardwalk with a friend when a young woman approaches her. The woman introduces herself as Savannah and offers to give Marlene a psychic reading. Figuring it will cost her just a few dollars, Marlene takes her up on the offer. Savannah takes Marlene back to her shop. During the reading she picks up on many of the troubles Marlene is facing in her personal life. Having gained Marlene's trust, Savannah offers her various items for sale in the shop, promising t...

Dec 27, 201929 minEp. 53

Million Dollar Movie Ponzi Scheme, Part 2

Beloved Vermont children's entertainer-turned-filmmaker Mac Parker has been raising funds for his film "Birth of Innocence" for nearly a decade. The film has yet to be completed, and what investors were promised — a three year, $1 million project — has ballooned in both time and cost. When the Vermont Department of Financial Regulation steps in to investigate irregularities in Mac's fundraising practices, they discover he's operating a $28 million Ponzi scheme. They dig deeper and find Mac has a...

Dec 20, 201924 minEp. 52

Million Dollar Movie Ponzi Scheme, Part 1

Malcom "Mac" Parker aspires to be a filmmaker. In Vermont, Mac is known as a beloved children's entertainer, appearing on public television and performing around the state. Mac is so well respected in his community that when he begins to raise funds for his film "Birth of Innocence," investors are quick to jump on board. His promises of high returns and a chance to be a part of the film industry sweeten the deal. Mac claims that he will need approximately $1 million and three years to complete h...

Dec 13, 201920 minEp. 51

The $16,500 Grandparent Scam

In upstate New York, an older couple receives a startling call from an unknown voice. They are told their grandson has been in a car accident. The caller knows their grandson's name, where he lives and other details about his life. The caller shares alarming news that police suspect his grandson is at fault for the accident and are holding him in jail. If the grandparents want to help their grandson, they'll need to pay for a lawyer and send money immediately. Terrified, the grandparents agree t...

Dec 06, 201922 minEp. 50

The $2 Million Romance Scam

New Yorker Jerry Needleman was married for over 40 years when his wife passed away in 2008. The devoted couple never had children, and now in his 80s, Jerry settled into a quiet life alone as a widower. Meanwhile in Florida, a woman named Sylvia is pursuing a relationship with a retiree. The man has spent thousands of dollars on his much-younger girlfriend. When they become engaged, the man's son steps in. In 2012, the family successfully sues Sylvia for fraud. One year later, Jerry is out for h...

Nov 29, 201924 minEp. 49

Holiday Special: The 1920s Santa Claus Scam

Journalist Alex Palmer tells the story of his great-granduncle, colorful conman John Duval Gluck, who created the Santa Claus Association. Before Gluck started his charity, letters from New York City children to Santa were destroyed, unopened, by the U.S. Post Office. Gluck saw an opportunity, and created the Santa Claus Association in 1913. The organization claimed to use the donations it collected to answer children's letters to Santa and deliver them Christmas gifts. For a time, the charity d...

Nov 22, 201929 minEp. 48

True or False With Frank Abagnale

We'll be back with new episodes in November. In the meantime, enjoy this bonus episode featuring The Perfect Scam show producers as they test their fraud-busting knowledge in a game of True or False, with questions from host Frank Abagnale's new book, Scam Me If You Can .

Oct 11, 20197 min

Threats From Home: The Chinese Consulate Scam

Chinese Americans are being targeted by scammers in schemes known as the "Chinese consulate scam" and the "blessing scam," through which victims have lost millions. When Mandarin-language calls began to bombard residents across the U.S., authorities take a deeper look. They find that these illegal robocalls are targeting areas with large Chinese American populations. Victims of the Chinese consulate scam are told they are in legal trouble with the Chinese government. The scammers then persuade t...

Oct 04, 201921 minEp. 47

FBI Agent Brings Lottery Kingpin to Justice

Looking for a change of pace, FBI agent Gasper decides to move from New York, where he's lived his entire life, to North Dakota. As he settles in to his new field office in the Midwest, Gasper discovers that there are an alarming number of lottery scams being perpetrated against residents in his area. The cases are complex, and with many of the scammers overseas, they are hard to bring to trial. But Gasper is set on getting justice for the victims of these swindles and dedicates himself to inves...

Sep 27, 201928 minEp. 46

Kentucky Fights Back Against Scammers

Pat, an 81-year-old woman from Kentucky, receives a call that she has won a $7.5 million lottery prize. Pat can't believe her luck. Unaware that the call is a scam, she begins speaking with the scammers multiple times a day. Over the next seven months, they befriend Pat in an effort to convince her that she'll receive the prize money as soon as she pays taxes on her winnings. Slowly they gain Pat's trust, and she starts sending money to the scammers. Every time she thinks she has made a final pa...

Sep 20, 201924 minEp. 45

The Hidden World of Psychic Scams, Part 2

After losing her job and boyfriend in the same day, a distraught Debra pays a visit to a psychic shop. Little does Debra know that the shop is part of a larger criminal organization and Sylvia, the psychic who gives her a reading, is a scammer. After a series of readings of increasing cost, Sylvia tells Debra that all of her troubles stem from her trust issues surrounding money. To solve these problems Sylvia prompts Debra to hand over a $28,000 check — to prove that she trusts others with her m...

Sep 13, 201918 minEp. 44

The Hidden World of Psychic Scams, Part 1

Debra is a divorced mother and ballroom dancer who travels between her home in Florida and New York to train with her dance partner. When Debra loses her part-time job in New York and boyfriend in the same day, she's distraught. Without the extra income from her job and a place to stay from her boyfriend, Debra knows she'll have to quit ballroom dancing — even though she and her partner have been climbing the ranks on the Pro-Am circuit. Walking in Greenwich Village, Debra sees a psychic shop sh...

Sep 06, 201928 minEp. 43
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