Ray Gricar Pt. Three

But while he was fifty nine years old, in April of that year, he decided to go on a road trip to a town called Lewisbourg, located about sixty miles away from where he lived, and he said he was going to go antique shopping, but he never returned home. His abandoned car was found park near an antique shop, but there was no sign of Ray. But there were a number of strange clues, like cigarette ash found near his vehicle, and it appeared that the interior of his

car had been wiped clean of fingerprints. A couple months later, they found his county issued work laptop in a nearby river, and a couple months after that, they found a hard drive which had been removed from the laptop, and Ray had apparently made some Google searches about how to destroy a laptop, how to destroy a hard drive, how to get water damage on a laptop, and a hard drive, which makes cause speculation that Ray may have tossed it

in there himself, or alternatively, someone else tossed it in the water because there was something on there that they didn't want anyone to find. Their speculation that Ray's death may have been a suicide because yours earlier, his brother had decided to end his own life by jumping off a bridge into a body of water, so the respeculation that Ray may have done the same thing and they

just never found his body. But there's also been a number of theories involving foul play, and one of the most prominent involves the infamous Penn State scandal, where assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky was charged and convicted of sexually abusing a number of young boys, and his actions were covered up for decades, causing an immense amount of controversy, and Ray, in nineteen ninety eight, seven years before he went missing, have been asked to look into an incident

where Sandusky had allegedly groped a young boy in the shower, but he felt that there was not enough evidence to press charges, so the whole matter came to an end. But there's been speculation that maybe Ray was digging deeper into the Sandusky allegations and that he could have been

murdered in order to cover the whole thing up. And we also talked to in our last episode about a podcast that was released a few years ago called Final Argument The Disappearance of Ray Greekar, in which the host promised that she was going to have these earth shattering revelations was pointed to being the victim of foul play and was going to reveal them on her final episodes, but they were never released, and she pretty much stopped

communicating with everyone and ghosting the listeners of the podcast, so we really have no idea what she may have found. So it's kind of an intriguing mystery within a mystery, and all we know for certain is that twenty years have now passed and we still don't know what happened to Ray Grigar. So now we're going to spend the rest of this series discussing whether Ray's death was a suicide or if he was the victim of foul play.

Even though Ray's loved ones insisted that he had no outward signs of depression or that he was feeling suicidal, we can't deny the fact that the press people sometimes don't give off any warning signs and keep all the pain they're experiencing bottled up inside. Therefore, when their suicide

does take place, it takes everyone by complete surprise. Ray was described as being a very private and reserved person and does not strike me as someone who would be open to discussing any mental health struggles he might have experienced. Many people acknowledged that in the week's prior to his disappearance, Ray seemed fatigued and was napping a lot more than usual,

and excessive sleep can definitely be a sign of depression. Now, a new detail I had learned during the Final Argument podcast, which I did not know before, is that Ray had scheduled a number of future appointments and engagements on his office desk calendar which were weeks and even months into the future, which do not seem like the actions of

someone who was planning to end their own life. But the issue is that suicidal people are not always in a rational state of mind, so you can't apply standard logic to their actions. On April the fourteenth, the date before he witnessing, Ray, took a half day off work and was seen sitting inside his car next to a lakeside marina. So could he have possibly spent this time contemplating a suicide in which he drowned himself in a

body of water. The main reason the suicide theory gets so much traction is because Ray's brother, Roy ended his own life nine years earlier by parking his car near a bridge located many miles away from his home before jumping into the Great Miami River. And here we have Ray driving sixty miles to Louisbourg and parking his car near a bridge and an abandoned railway trestle which overlooked the Susquehanna River. So maybe he decided to follow in

his brother's footsteps. Of course, the key differences between these two scenarios is that Roy had a documented history of bipolar disorder and depression, and his body was actually found now. In a twenty eighteen article from the State College based newspaper The Center Daily Times, Bob Yuner, a former Montour County District attorney who is friends with Ray, made this controversial statement quote, Here's the interesting thing. Ray never believed

his brother committed suicide. The most important reason was that he thought his brother would never orphan his two sons, rais nephews end quote. Buner also mentioned that whenever Ray went to Ohio, he would check in with the police to see if there were any new leads with Roy's case. Well, this statement is heavily disputed by Roy's son, Tony Greekar, who is the official family spokesman and has frequently shared his thoughts in various Reddit threads and comments sections about

this case. Tony has always maintained that the family accepted the suicide ruling and never believed there was any foul play involved in Roy's death. If Ray felt otherwise, he never said so in front of his family.

I just feel like there would have been some kind of conversation, not that he would have sat there silent, and that the son would say, listen, we accept this information. Do they accept it because they know their daddy had been sick, that he was bipolar, that he was struggling. I mean, the boys would have known that situation, probably even more intimately than Ray would, wouldn't they.

open an investigation. So the fact that he never did anything like that makes me think that Bobyuter's statement was false and that Ray never believed his brother was murdered.

the studies concerning this. So I asked studies on time spent contemplating suicide before attempting in those who were unsuccessful with completing suicide, and says key findings from studies, Nearly half of people who attempt suicide report that the time from the first current suicidal thought to the actual attempt

is very short ten minutes or less. In one study, forty seven point six percent of suicide attempters said the period between the first current thought and the attempt was ten minutes or less, while those who took longer to

act tended to have higher suicidal intent. A separate study of survivors of nearly lethal suicide attempts found twenty four percent deliberated less than five minutes, twenty four percent deliberated five to nineteen minutes, twenty three percent deliberated twenty minutes to one hour, sixteen percent deliberated two to eight hours,

and thirteen percent deliberated one or more days. So these findings indicate that for a significant proportion of attempters, the window between decision and action is extremely brief, often measured in minutes, not hours or days, and so the implications are the short duration between contemplation an attempt highlights the impulsive nature of many suicide attempts, suggesting that prevention efforts must focus on rapid intervention and reducing access to lethal

means during a crisis. While some individuals can contemplate for longer periods, most attempts occur soon after the onset of acute suicidal thoughts, limiting the opportunity for intervention. So I thought that was really interesting as it could pertain to Ray.

It could have just been something that, yeah, he had all of these appointments and dates that he had marked on a calendar, but perhaps that day he just thought, this is the day I decided that I want to end it, and then he took the actionable steps to make that happen.

suddenly decided I want to end my own life. I'm feeling suicidal, and then just made an impulsive decision to just walk over to the nearest bridge and jump into the river.

So if these much smaller items were eventually found. Why wouldn't Ray's body turn up if it was in the river? Well, I guess it would depend on where the currents could have taken him. If Ray's body had floated downstream and traveled southeast for about ten miles, it would have reached the town of Sunbury, which contained the Adam T. Bauer

Memorial Dam, the world's largest inflatable dam. The dam is installed every spring, and it's apparently confirmed that it was already in place by mid April of two thousand and five, So if Ray's body made it there, it's possible the dam could have showed him up and made his remains a lot more difficult to recover. That really does provide the best explanation for how Ray's body could have wound up in the Susquehanna River without being found, but of

course there's no concrete evidence to support this theory. If Ray did jump into the river from the bridge or railway trestle, there's also been some question about whether he could have done this without being seen, as the bridge was part of the Pennsylvania Route forty five and often had a lot of traffic. But even though Ray arrived

in Louisbourg on April fifteenth. His car was not actually found until the following day, So for all we know, Ray could have hung around the area for a while and not jumped into the river until the middle of the night when there was less of a chance of any witnesses seeing him.

the cases he was working on. But if it was someone who had inside knowledge of his life and they wanted to make it look like his death is a suicide, then that would be the most logical solution. Just park his car near a bridge and a body of water and make people think that he decided to follow in his brother's footsteps. Well, even if Ray's death was a suicide, the big mystery, which has still never been explained, is

why he removed the hard drive from his laptop. Remember that hard drive was screwed in pretty tight, so it wouldn't have just broken off on its own and someone had to make a concerted effort to remove it. I know that Ray had been performing internet searches about how to wipe a hard drive prior to his disappearance, which isn't unusual on his own, since he would probably want to remove everything from his work laptop before he retired

at the end of the year. However, it's been reported that one of the search items he used was quote water damage to a notebook computer, which is quite different than the standard practice of using software to erase your hard drive. But here's the thing that has always troubled me. If Ray was feeling suicidal and there was something on that hard drive that he didn't want people finding out about, why toss it into the same body of water where

you're planning to kill yourself. Surely Ray knew that people would search the river if he abandoned his car so close to it. Well, the hard drive suffered too much damage to recover any data from it. There's no way Ray could have predicted this. Remember, he drove sixty miles from Belfont to Louisbourg on a scenic route, which is pretty much open country. If he had disposed of the laptop hard drive before he arrived in Louisbourg, by say, bearing the items in a remote wooded area, it's possible

that no one would have ever found them. Well, it's easy to assume that Ray had something horrible on that hard drive that he wanted to destroy. This was a county issued work computer, and I'd like to think he would have been smart enough not to save anything incriminating on there in the first place. It really makes a lot more sense to me that a third party would want to destroy the hard drive because they believed it contain evidence and their first instinct was to toss it into the river.

next to my car and hopefully no one will find me. Now, if he's suicidal, and he's in a state of let's say, a manic state or just a dissociated state, then it's possible that he could do things without being very logical. But it does seem more probable that someone who wanted to make sure a case he was investigating didn't have the information shared after his death would be wanting to destroy that hard drive as well.

Greecar's computer. We don't know what he was writing, and we don't know the information and how he was perceiving it, and what could have been his motivation if he was in if he was experiencing psychosis or if he was in a manic state something like that. The way that he would be choosing to go about getting rid of this laptop, it could be for reasons that would be logical or completely illogical. It could be something that just

came to him at the moment. When we try to apply logic to somebody in that moment, then it can be really difficult and it can limit the scope of what we think somebody is capable of doing. And so I really can't go one way or the other. I think both are equally possible.

like a wooded area or something like that, where he knows it'll never be found. Because he may not have known that he was planning suicide when he left his house that day.

Louisbourg to destroy it. If Ray's death was a suicide, one potential explanation to account for all these oddities is that he didn't want anyone to know that he chose to take his own life, so he left a trail of false clues behind in order to give off the false impression that he was the victim of foul play. Perhaps he removed the hard drive from the laptop and destroyed it even though there was nothing incriminating on there.

Or he decided to smoke cigarettes in his car and white fingerprints from the interior to make everyone believe that a third party was with him. Ray still could have felt that there was a stigma surrounding suicide, which is why he didn't want anyone to know that he'd gone through with it. If he intentionally jumped off the ridge into the river, there's no way he could have known his body would never be found, So why not plant some seeds to make others believe that someone murdered him?

Once again, this isn't exactly a logical course of action, but suicidal people sometimes do not do the most logical things.

he had gathered was on that hard drive. Alternatively, perhaps Ray played a role in covering up the allegations when he elected not to charge Jerry Sandusky after he was accused of molesting a boy in the shower back in nineteen ninety eight. If Ray knew that Sandusky was continuing to use his position of power to sexually abuse young boys, he could have become overwhelmed with guilt and decided to

kill himself. That idea might make a bit more sense if the Penn State scandal was on the verge of coming to light and Ray felt he was going to suffer a major backlash for his inaction. But this would not become a national story until six years after Ray went missing, and there's no indication that anything was about

to surface in two thousand and five. It's no big secret that, in order to protect the reputation of Penn State's football program, allegations about Sandusky's sexual abuse were swept under the rug for years, But everyone who knew Ray said that this would not have been within his character.

He was described as a prosecutor who never played favorites and did not care if the person he was investigating was some low level career criminal or a beloved assistant football coach, and since Ray had no higher political aspirations, he probably did not care how taking on a respected figure like Sandusky might harm his career. While it sounds like Ray never spoke about his reasons for not filing charges against Sandusky, Rebecca Knight revealed a very interesting new

piece of information on the Final Argument podcast. A source told her that during the fall of two thousand and four, about six months before Ray went missing, he heard Race refer to Sandusky as a quote unquote pedophile and vow that he was going to put him away. If this was true, then this would imply that the only reason Ray did not file charges for the shower incident was because he did not believe the case was strong enough to prosecute at that time, but he was not going

to give up on investigating Sandusky well. It eventually came out that Sandusky was a serial abuser who victimized many boys over a period of several years. It's unclear if Ray had that information in nineteen ninety eight, or was aware of any other predatory behavior other than the one

incident in the shower. While the recording of Sandusky's conversation with the boy's mother sounded pretty damning, he never flat out admitted to molesting the boy, only that he showered with them and hugged him, so Ray may have wanted to gather more evidence. You have to remember that Sandusky had been a Penn State assistant coach for thirty years and was a highly respected figure because of his work

with the Second Mile organization. So if Ray was going to press charges against someone like that and bring him to trial, I'm sure he wanted the case to be air tight. When beloved head coach Joe Paterno had his contract terminated in twenty eleven over allegations that he covered up Sandusky's abuse, Penn State started riding in the streets

and causing property damage. I'm sure Ray was well aware that this was the type of backlash you could expect if he tried to take on Sandusky and the Penn State football program without having all of his ducks in a row.

we could win it. And I'm pretty sure that's what happened here.

would have crossed the line into murder. I mean it was Sarah Gannon, a twenty three year old reporter with the Patriot News, who first brought the whole thing to light by publishing a story about it in March twenty eleven, and while the paper initially faced criticism for smearing the reputation of Sandusky and Penn State, they received vindication when the grand jury indicted Sandusky in November of that year.

It just seems odd that the people in power could make a veteran district attorney like Ray Gricard disappear without leaving any evidence behind, but couldn't prevent this young reporter

from breaking the story wide open. The final argument podcasts made it sound like they were building up to the presentation of brand new evidence that would link Ray's case to the Penn State scandal, But because it abruptly came to an end and Rebecca Knight stopped talking about it, we may never know what she uncovered.

case against Sandusky. But like we've talked about, this scandal ended over a decade ago, Sandusky's in jail, So if she did uncover anything, I don't know why she would be so secretive about it because Penn State's reputation has already been destroyed, so you're not going to lose too much if you come up with new information that pain

them in a bad light. Well, even if Ray's disappearance had nothing to do with the Penn State scandal, could he have traveled to Louisbourg to gather information about an entirely different case he was working on at a wound up getting him killed. Well that would all depend on the biggest unanswered question in this case, and that's the identity of the woman that Ray was supposedly seeing with

at the Street of Shops. I know it's tempting to believe that Ray was conducting a secret affair, as he did have a reputation for liking women around the time he divorced his second wife, Emma, and before he started his relationship with Patty, Ray reportedly fell head over heels in love with a nurse and quickly asked her to

marry him, but she turned him down. And it's also been reported that Ray often liked to go to a certain restaurant at Center County, and while there he would always request a particular waitress and flirt with her when she served him. But even if Ray had a flirtatious personality, I've not come across any information that he ever flat out cheated on any of his spouses, and there was apparently nothing in Ray's financial to suggest that he was

conducting an affair at the time he went missing. If Ray was meeting up with a woman in Louisbourg, then I would not be surprised if it was in relation to some sort of investigation, which might explain why he decided to take his work laptop along with him. However, one aspect of this case which has never made sense to anyone is why the authorities did not publicly disclose the siding of Ray and the woman until thirteen months

after he disappeared. Yes, I know they initially assumed that the woman was a friend of his name, Barbara Patito, but she was ruled out relatively quickly, And it sounds like the rationale is they didn't want to harm Ray's reputation by potentially giving off the false impression that he was conducting an affair. Well, I'm sure his family was much more concerned about finding out if he was dead or alive rather than protecting his reputation, So why wait

over an entire year to release this information. The original investigation was handled by the Bellefont Police Department, who have received criticisms for mistakes they made, including their failure to

go public about the sighting of the woman. Given the high profile nature raised his appearance, it's believed that the Bellefont PD may have been out of the league, as the case was assigned to only one investigator, who had to juggle it with several other cases he was working on, so it was finally handed over to the Pennsylvania State Police in twenty fourteen.

marry her. And yes, does he like being in the company of a woman, Yes, but it doesn't ever seem like he's you know, with twenty women are sitting at you know, strip clubs every every single night, you know, after work. And even if he was, if he's single, okay, you know, like I just I don't get any kind of read on him other than he's a man who's used to being with some and so every time he's not in a monogamous relationship, he's kind of on the

hunt for another one. It seems like a normal all American human being, doesn't it.

it in his financials. I mean, at first they said he was worth only one thousand dollars, it took them time to find that he had this other account where he had one hundred thousand. Who's to say that there wasn't some other account. I just I can't completely eliminate it as a possibility, But I can't in good faith say that like this is something that I for sure believe.

him to his death. Some of the reported eyewitness sightings of Ray described him as pacing around and appearing to be waiting for someone, So I do think it's likely he traveled there for the purposes of something else besides antique shopping. If Ray was meeting with a third party, then I personally think this lessons the possibility of his

disappearance being a suicide. But with all the publicity this case is received, you have to wonder why this mysterious woman is never come forward unless she has something to hide. Another complication is that eyewitnesses reported seeing Ray park the Mini Cooper across the street from the Packwood House Museum during the early afternoon of April fifteenth, before he abandoned the car in the lot near the street of shops.

According to one witness, Ray parked his car in a spot across from the museum and inexplicably left for a brief period of time before he drove back to this location to park his car in a different spot. He was then seen pacing around in a nearby park as if he was waiting for someone, but it's unclear what

exactly he was doing there. But he also appeared to be talking to himself, so if he had some sort of bluetooth device in his ear, perhaps he was making arrangements to meet the unidentified woman at the street of shops later that day. Some of the earliest reporting in this case also stated that there was a few sightings of Ray and Louisbourg on the morning of April sixteenth, which I guess is not impossible since the Mini Cooper was not actually found by the state trooper until six

point thirty that evening. However, Ray was still alive that day. There's no paper trail to show where he could have spent the night, unless he slept inside his car, but even so, it's surprising that he wouldn't have at least foam Patty to let her know where he was. Overall, I'm inclined to believe that the reported sightings of Ray on the sixteenth are mistaken and that whatever happened to

him likely occurred on the fifteenth. I know that when a tracker dog was brought in to pick up Ray's end, it didn't go any further than the parking lot where the Mini Cooper was abandoned, since the car was locked. This does suggest that Ray might have climbed into another vehicle, which is another point which goes against the suicide theory, since he simply could have walked to the bridge if he was planning to jump into the South Hannah River.

On the other hand, if Ray left in another person's vehicle, it's odd that he would leave his cell phone inside the Mini Cooper unless there's evidence to the theory that he was carrying around a separate burner phone for separate communication. I guess it's possible that Ray could have been forcibly abducted from the parking lot, but there were no signs of any struggle or any witness who could corroborate this.

your phone number given out. I don't know, do you guys know how that would work.

paper trail. So that's why he would use something like a burner phone. Now, there's been a lot of discussion about the cigarette ash inside the Mini Cooper, but what hasn't got as much attention are the two cigarette butts found outside the vehicle. It has been confirmed that DNA was extracted from them, but there were no matches when

it was entered into the National Database of Offenders. Of course, we know that a number of coal cases have been solved in recent years by entering DNA into genealogy databases and getting a match which eventually led back to the offender. But I'm wondering if the legalities of that might be a bit more complicated here, since there was no concrete evidence a crime was committed. If these cigarette butts were found at the scene of a murder along SIEID a

dead body, that would be one thing. But all this proves is that someone was smoking cigarettes in the same parking lot where a missing person's vehicle was abandoned. It's also never publicly been revealed if investigators were able to determine if the DNA on the cigarette butts was male or female. If it was female, then this would lend a lot more weight to the siding of Ray with the unidentified woman.

It would be very difficult to be able to prove that, even if you track those people down, that they were somehow involved, unless they were specifically tied to one of his cases. I don't know. It just seems like a long shot. Those cigarette butts could be left by any body.

and full days off from work. It doesn't fit the profile of someone who's doing a lot of covert work on an important investigation unless Ray was working on something so secret that he couldn't tell anyone else what he was doing and was making all these trips because he really wanted to get the case resolved before he retired.

I know, it's practically a cliche day in fictional cop stories for the grizzled veteran to be working on one last important case before retirement and having their plans spoiled when something bad happens. But that's very well what could have happened here. One detail about this case which doesn't get discussed all that much is how Ray went missing.

A County codebook was found on his desk at the Center County District Attorney's office and was lying open to the section which described what to do if a sitting district attorney went missing or died. We have no idea if Ray did this, but surveillance footage confirmed that he did visit the office on the evening of April fourteenth, which would turn out to be the last time that

he ever went there. He could have used that opportunity to pull the book out and leave it open so his co workers would know the press to follow if he didn't come back. This could be interpreted as evidence that Ray was planning a suicide, but could also mean that he was about to do something which might potentially put his life in danger, and he wanted to cover

all his bases in case something happened. I have to imagine that the answers might be on the hard drive of Ray's laptop, But even though nothing could be recovered from it, I guess we could always hold out hope that technology might improve enough to make it feasible to

extract data from the hard drive someday. If it turns out that nothing is important on there after all, then this would support the idea that raised disappearance was a suicide, and he staged the whole situation to look more mysterious than it really was. But it's also possible that the hard drive's contents could shed a lot of light on what happened to him.

scrubbed anyway. But it's interesting because without that, we don't know if there was some you know, incognito investigation that he was doing, if he was if he was saying, listen, there's something so important to me that, even though I'm on my way out, I'm gonna see if I can go behind, you know, the scenes and actually look at at some issue. And I'm going to go meet with

people who are willing to talk to me. Maybe this is my last hurrah as a district attorney, or at least maybe I can set my colleagues up to finish this case for me. But in order to do that, I need to protect these witnesses and get information from them before I no longer have that authority and power, and so I could absolutely see that happening. I could see somebody or some organization saying, oh, he cannot look

into this anymore. But like you said, I mean without that information, without the hard drive, we can't look for any kind of concerning things he might have left as someone who was maybe secretly struggling with mental health, and we can look for information about some kind of secret investigation.

but no concrete evidence pointing towards any of them. So unless something new surfaces, we can only speculate on what happened. Everyone who knew Ray described him as a very dedicated prosecutor who always tried to seek justice for victims. So if he became a victim himself, let's hope the responsible party or parties can be brought to justice. But if Ray's death was a suicide after all, at the very least, it would be nice if his body could be bound

to provide answers for his family. So if you have been to have any information about the unsolved disappearance of Ray Gricar, please contact the Pennsylvania State Police at eight one four three five five seven five four five. That's eight one four three five five seven five four five, Jules Ashley, any final thoughts in this case.

You got to remember her. His daughter was probably at the age where they were, you know, fantasizing about what if she has a grand baby for us and we can go, you know, have our little house and I don't have to be at work, and just kind of getting a chance to have a second lease on life with your girlfriend and things like that, and your daughter and her growing family. And so that's a no, that didn't happen in my mind. So it is this fifty to fifty idea of was it a murder or was

it a suicide? And both would be incredibly horrific as his family because it's been all of these years, and in your head you're playing, okay, if he completed suicide, there's all the standard questions like why did he suffer so quietly? What if I had called him more? What if you know, why wasn't I enough? Even though that's none of those things are you know, truthful things. As someone who's actually planning suicide is thinking about the people they love, but as a survivor, you have all these

complex questions that add to your grief and trauma. So if that becomes a reality for them, that's a very difficult outcome, as is if he was murdered and there's nobody who's going to be brought to justice. Also equally difficult in its own way where they're saying, who did this? Is it someone we know? Oh, because how would they know he was out of town? Is it somebody who could put the rest of our family at risk?

I just keep hearkening back to the fact that his brother Roy completed suicide years prior, and the manner in which he did it and the scene in which raised car was disposed of, and there's a lot of things that you can kind of interpret either way. But I do think there is a distinct possibility. We know he was sleeping more he was skipping work, and maybe he was working on something, but maybe he was just having his mental health deteriorate and he didn't have an outlet

for that. So, although I think both things are possible, I really wish that we would be able to find Gray gree Car so that Laura and Patty would be able to have his body and be able to maybe get some answers in the process.

possibility that it was the victim of foul play. I mean possible that Ray was the one who disposed to the laptop. But on the other hand, we still don't have an explanation for this mysterious woman who was seen with Ray and Leuisbourg before he went missing. And who knows. Maybe it could be an encounter where Ray met someone that he had a romantic interest in but she didn't reciprocate it and that made him distraught enough to decide to jump off a bridge and take his own life.

The possibilities are endless, but I still, though, would love to know what a journalist Rebecca Knight uncovered when she produced the Final Argument podcast, because that seemed like it was leaning towards a major foul play theory and was going to release some sort of bombshell which blew the case wide open, but then nothing but silence, So I

don't know. Maybe she found out she was looking in the wrong direction and that there was no conspiracy or foul play at all, but she seemed pretty certain that he was the victim of foul and if he was, I don't know what it was related to, if it was related to the Penn State scandal for something else he was working on. But if he was murdered, then whoever did it essentially got away with the perfect crime.

Since Ray's body has never been found, and if this laptop contained incriminating information, it was too damage for anyone to see anything, and there is no real evidence pointing towards foul play. I guess the only way we may know for sure is if Ray's body is in the river somewhere. If they are able to recover his remains, then they will be able to determine with certainty whether

his death was a murder or a suicide. But if it was disposed of in a mine shaft somewhere, then that's going to make this case a lot harder to solve. But Yeah, out of all the unsolved disappearances we've done from the modern era, I definitely would rank this is one of the ones that I would most like to see solved because I really just don't have any idea what happened.

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