Kay Hall Pt. Two

casts Bob into a very suspicious light once again. So in December of nineteen eighty eight, a very bizarre incident took place where Bob suddenly decided to call up Special Agent Riley and said that he wanted to have a meeting because he quote unquote wanted a Christmas present, which

is a very weird thing to say. It turned out that Bob had started a relationship with another woman, and he actually told Riley, I hope that this case can be solved by Christmas so that I can finally put this behind me and I can start my new relationship with this other woman and move on with my life. But of course, Riley said to Bob that I think you are the only logical suspect here, So how am I going to solve this case if you were the

one who did it. So Bob proposed this scenario where the newspapers would publish a story stating that Kay's death was an accident and this might prompt the killer to

come forward and admit to what they did. And then Bob then said that hypothetically, if I was the killer and I needed motivation to come forward, I would have some terms, which would include a legal document from the Commonwealth Attorney which declared Kay's death to be an accident and guaranteed no charges or consequences for anyone who confessed

to the crime. So Riley got the sense here that Bob may have been trying to make a confession, but he was trying to get assurance is that there wouldn't be any consequences for it. So it's kind of a weird thing where Bob is tired of the pressure. He wants the case to be closed, so he thinks that if I confess to it, then I will get off scott free. But you killed your wife, so obviously that's not going to happen.

two little people. Neither of them are copping to what happened. So they would separate them. Both parents would separate them, and then they would ask each one what do you think should happen to the guilty party? So, whoever did this, what should happen to them? And then you'd have one say, well, they should be grounded or you know, a week or whatever, and then the other one should say, well, I think that they should be forgiven because knowing what they did

is punishment enough. And so you would always know who the guilty party is because they would say that whomever

did this should have a very lenient sentence. And I think that applies to Bob here, because you've got Bob coming forward and being like if I did it, like okay, call back to OJ Simpson here, if I did it, I would require these things and basically it would absolve him of all legal responsibility and so it would just be closure or resolution in the sense that you would know who did it, but you wouldn't have any legal recourse.

It sounds ridiculous, and I'm sorry you want a Christmas present Like you're trying to solve the potential murder of your wife. Kay. You should want that solved because you love her and you want justice for her, not because you want a Christmas present to embark on your new life with your new partner. It's just really weird.

receive assurances that I'm not punished quite badly. But here you have a grown man who's under suspicion for the murder of his wife and he's acting like a kid who stole something from the cookie jar. And it's like, I think Special Agent Riley is thinking we're adults here, Like this is ridiculous. We should not be doing this in a murder case. But he decided to go along with him because he thought, if I string Bob along, maybe I can finally convince him to give a confession.

So what happened is Riley asked, if I went out and got such a document and put Bob Paul's name on it, then when you like to see it, and Bob replied, quote before Christmas. And the next part is so strange that I have to read an exact word for word excerpt from an official decision that I found online from the Virginia Court of Appeals because this is

just so bizarre. So here's the exact quote. Quote. Hall told Riley that if Riley really wanted to make it tempting as hell to me, he should call Hall's attorney to inquire if Hall could still collect under the uninsured motorist provisions of his automobile insurance if he had accidentally killed his wife. End quote. So yes, it sounds like he was literally inquiring, if I killed my wife, can I still collect on the insurance money from her death?

That's what you'd need, I mean seriously, like you need to say less if you are indeed responsible, and wait until they come to you and then have a go through your attorney. I think that at the time there was a lot less knowledge of how one should behave when being confronted with the authorities accusing you, whether you're guilty or not. So at the time there was you know less of that information floating around that like whether you're guilty or not, you need to have an attorney

to protect yourself and protect your rights. And we've got Bob out here just making the weirdest, most odd moves that I've seen, and I can't think of any other case that parallels this.

accused of domestic violence. There were problems in the marriage, so he's probably feeling like he's a pariah or something like that. But he just wants to move on and marry this new woman and thinks that, well, if I come here and make this quasi confession and don't get punished, they will put this behind us. But he isn't aware that, no, that's not how the legal system and murder investigations work.

at a later date. Because I can imagine if you're somebody that did commit murder, and even if you're not charged and you think you likely got away with it, it will like be this like brainworm where it's going to like eat away at you, wondering if one day they're going to knock on your door and they're going

to charge you with that crime. I can't imagine you would ever get a full night sleep unless somebody he doesn't have the typical emotional bandwidth that a normal person does and they don't feel things the same way, and so they're able to deal with that stress or they don't even experience the stress. But it doesn't sound like that's Bob.

So that's why he's wanting to get this huge burn office shoulders and hope that he can get away with

it without any punishment. So this even gets weirder, believe it or not, because, like I said, agent Riley was going along with this, so he decided to give up this fake document where he was writing out the conditions of this hypothetical plea deal, which would include no criminal prosecution, no loss of Bob's driver's license, believe it or not, no loss of financial benefits, and no public mention of

his name. And believe it or not, Bob was brazed enough to suggest an additional provision in which he could burn down his current house and use the insurance money to build a new house for his current girlfriend without any repercussions. And Riley says, no, I can't include this in the document because insurance fraud is a crime, and Bob flat out said, quote, I bet I could do it in such a way they'll say it was an accident, just like we're doing with this no difference end quote.

And I see your eyes bulging.

and he's immature in a lot of ways. But I don't really find a I can't see a way where we can make allowances for that here, because Bob should have had some kind of experience being questioned and with legal proceedings how things go. I don't know how much his attorney has explained stuff to him, but this just

feels so naive and ridiculous. You're proposing insurance fraud to the police and saying that you could get away with it or make it look like it was an accident, like we're doing with this other thing here, Like what the other thing, like the death of your wife? What is happening?

a confession. But when Bob was asked about this later on, he said, Oh, I never actually meant any of the things that I said about burning down my house or collecting oncasion insurance. He said he was just leading Riley on to see where he was in the investigation and making a genuine effort to devise a strategy which might prompt the real guilty party to come forward and confess

to Kay's deaths. So his explanation is this was all just an elaborate ruse, but it sounded like he was pretty much playing himself and only made people all the more suspicious of him. Sure Bob, Sure, yeah, real genius here coming up with this idea. So the case would finally receive national attention. It was featured on Unsolved Mysteries

in October of nineteen eighty nine. I remember watching it on TV at the time and many years afterwards, and when I saw Bob's interview, I used to think that, well, there's a possibility that he wasn't guilty here. And they did talk about the domestic violence and Bob's troubling history, but they also did a very effective job of talking about the timeline and the logistics of committing this crime. So I was willing to believe that Bob was innocent.

He didn't come across too badly when he was interviewed. He did come across better than Jewel Kaylor and a lot of the other suspicious Bowses who were interviewed on the show. But one piece of information the segment conveniently didn't mention was this whole interrogation segment with Special Agent Riley where it sounded like he was going to make

a confession. So when I learned about this, like many years later, when I originally watched the segment, I was like fifty to fifty and willing to give Bob the benefit of the doubt. But once I read about this weird quasi confession, I was like, well, that looks pretty bad for Bob. And if they had included this on the show, there probably wouldn't have been as much mystery about whether or not Bob was guilty.

for him. Is the really difficult logistics with his behavior in the aftermath of Kay's death, The way that he was with authorities wanting this document, talking about having a provision put in, about burning down his house and getting the insurance money so he could get a new place. It's all just it's wild, and it makes me think that these are the actions of a guilty man, not of a man in mourning, not of a man who just isn't all that intelligent or mature. It's it seems

to be guilt. It seems to be deception and guilt. And he's really trying to find a way that he can get out of this and so that he doesn't have a potential legal situation looming. And he thinks that he's smart enough that if he gets these this legal paperwork in order that he'll be able to assure that his future will be bright because nobody will be able to come after him for K's murder.

who was present to coach you with that. And I wonder, like with Jewel Kayler, if there wasn't an element of duper's delight where he was going to say just enough to like have people talking, because he knew that nobody was ever going to find Dottie and that the probability that they would ever be able to bring charges against him were so low that he could almost say whatever he wanted, veiled slightly, and he knew that they didn't really have any recourse because no district attorney is going

to bring charges just because he looks like a suspicious weirdo on mysteries.

who was a former friend of Kay Hall's. It turned out that on July the thirty first, nineteen eighty seven, just two months before Kay was killed, Carol became the victim of a violent crime herself when she was shot

in the head inside her home in Middleburg, Virginia. She managed to make it to the phone and call nine to one one for help because miraculously she survived, but in case she didn't, she took the initiative to actually write the word William in blood on the floor before she crawled to the phone, and sure enough, she was

referring to her ex husband, William Douglas Carter. She claimed that William broke in to her house and shot her in the head, and that he had worn rubber gloves to get his fingerprints on the gun, and then afterwards he put the gun in her hand to make it look like it was a suicide in a self inflicted gunshot wound, but because she wound up surviving, she was able to make it to the phone call for help

and incriminate him. William maintained his innocence because when they arrested him, he was at his horse farm several hundred miles away in Saratoga Springs, New York, and he claimed that he was home the entire time, and actually pointed to his phone records saying that, see, I made a whole bunch of long distance phone calls from my house to prove I was there. But of course these calls

took place a couple hours before Carol was shot. So the instantly assumed that he tried to fabricate an alibi for himself, and that after killing Carol, he drove immediately from Virginia back to his farm in New York and made a whole bunch of phone calls just to intentionally create an alibi and show that he was at home. And does this sound a bit familiar?

record and he could establish an alibi for himself. And this made investigators think that this is finally our smoking gun. It's the one piece of evidence we need to finally indict Bob. So in January of nineteen ninety, only two months after the Unsaw Mystery segment aired, he was finally charged with second degree murder.

anticipated that. So when he learned that morning that his wife is going to get a fifty thousand dollars inheritance, I don't think he started orchestrating this elaborate murder plot. So I do think that if he killed her, it was a crime of passion, a heat of the moment thing, and then maybe at that moment he decided, ooh, I'm remembering that this friend of Kayse was murdered in a

similar faction. So I'm going to drive home and I'm going to make a phone call to establish an alibi, which seems like at odds with how stupid he's asking during the police interview. And I think another conundrum with that is that well, William attempted to do that but it did not work, So how does he think that it's going to work in this case? If he just rushes home and makes a phone call, so it's kind of a weird thing where you could go either way.

I wish I had more details about the phone call he made to his daughters, because if she said that, well, he had something important that we needed to talk about, and that there was a legitimate reason for him to be calling me, then it seems unlikely that he's fabricating it. But if he just decided to pick up the phone at like nine forty seven at night and say, hey,

just wanted to call and see how you're doing. Just got nothing to talk about, then it looks like he's making this call just to get it on the record, to fabricate an alibi.

prove that it was me. Who killed K. And I mean, that's what we're talking about now, That's what is the real sticking point with this case is the logistics of everything, how drunk Bob was. But I do agree with you. If he did kill K, which it seems like there is a very strong likelihood he did, I don't believe that he was a premeditated murder. I think maybe he wanted to confront K and then things took a turn and he decided to in the heat of the moment.

But if he planned to do it, it just seems like there's a lot of messy elements that he couldn't control here.

But because they found her body and she was still warm, and they were able to determine that she was killed a very short time before she was found, they were able to establish a timeline and realize that, well, we know Bob made this phone call eight minutes before she was discovered, but it is possible he could have been out there and gone out to kill her and rushed home in time to make the.

nails missing and everything. So I would think that that whole ordeal would take at least thirty minutes. So if she was cooler, then it would have cleared him, like, but the fact that she was still warm, it made it all very possible.

were even doing DNA testing. And I think that if there was one thing that could have linked Bob to the scene, it was the fake nails, because if they had found skin cells belonging to him underneath the underneath the nails, and that would be hard to explain. But of course this was pre DNA testing, so I don't

think that they ever performed anything like that. But that would become another sticking point when Bob went to trial, is that even though we have this incriminating testimony from Carol Vandergriff and we have a lot of incriminating actions by Bob himself, there are still no eyewitnesses or physical evidence to prove he was there when Kay was killed.

But back then, if you're looking at even a few years out from this into the nineties, you're not going to have highly sophisticated technology. It's going to be pretty rudimentary. So I would think he would be able to use that excuse, being that they were partners, they spent time physic together, and if they were together intimately, then it is possible that skin cells would end up under the nails. So I can see him using that as a defense.

I mean, I don't know how well you could use that as a defense, but I think there is, Like you said, with this case, there's so much reasonable doubt. I still believe he did it, but there's a lot of reasonable bout.

a motive to harmer. So obviously you're going to look at the husband who stands to inherit the fifty thousand dollars life insurance.

the police about the situation. I don't think that happened at all, but I'm just saying that he could have raised something like that as a possibility for why the purse was still there, because somebody could panic if you've killed somebody and like that wasn't your initial intention, and then you've gone and done that. It could just be a panic sweeps over you in that moment and you forget to you know, steal the money or do anything else.

In about sixteen of them said yes, and some of them said that they had formed their own personal opinion about Bob's guilt or innocence just based on the segment. So of course they were strucken. They were not allowed to go on the jury for fear that it would taint the jury pool. But then they actually selected a guy and found out afterwards that he had actually participated in the Unsolved Mysteries reenactments. He played one of the actors who the motorists who found Kay's body beneath the

pigup truck. Because back in the day, unsolved mysteries would travel to the locations where the crimes took place, and they would usually not get professional actors. They would just get locals to play the people in the reenactments. So they found this local resident named Manuel Haney to play one of the motorists who discovered Kay's body. And of course, when the defense found out about it, they kind of panicked a little bit, saying that this could taint his judgment.

But they questioned Haiti and he said that in spite of the fact that I played an actor in this, I can remain unbiased and I will not let this tate my opinion. And they allowed him to stay on the jury. And I don't know if this influenced the verdict, but it's just another thing where it's like, yeah, you should probably get rid of this because this gives them grounds to appeal if Bob has found guilty.

And like you said, this can be raised at appeal at a later date and saying that there's bias here, and I think it's a good grounds for appeal. So obviously I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like good grounds for appeal to me. And yeah, I can't believe that they didn't get rid of him at this point because whether he can remain unbiased or not, it seems like a clear conflict of interest, definitely.

to be on the jury for the trial. So that's probably the most excitement this guy had ever seen in his life, which is why he was more than happy to be on the jury and conveniently did not disclose that he had been an actor on the show until after he was selected, so once the trial began, the prosecution pushed forward the theory that after returning home from the country club, Bob immediately climbed into his jeep went searching for Kay, eventually found her and an argument ensued,

which led to Bob going into a violent drunken rage and running over Kay with the pickup truck. And then he suddenly remembered the incident with Carol Vandergrift and William Douglas Carter and realized that if I want to clear myself, I need to fabricate an alibi. So he immediately raced back home and made a phone call to his daughter

in order to get it on the record. And of course, Carol Vandergriff testified on the stand about her own personal experience with her estranged ex husband, and she pretty much confirmed that yes, I told Kay and Bob about this shortly before Kay's death took place, so Bob would have

been well aware of it. But the defense tried to push forward the theory that Kay was not actually murdered and was the victim of a freak accident because I already talked about how she had a blood alcohol level of zero point twenty seven, she had a history of being arrested for DUI, and a witness had nearly seen her crashing her pickup truck into a swimming pool shortly

before she was killed. So even though the transmission of A. K's truck was found in park, an engineer was called upon to testify, who claimed that he had examined the truck and discovered that the gearshift lever for the automatic transmission was faulty, and he said that the truck actually suffered from phenomenon called quote illusory park phenomenon, which could have caused it to accidentally shift into reverse from the park position and back over K's body a second time

while she was already on the ground. And I did a search on this, and there is like a history of this phenomenon called illusory park phenomenon. There have been lawsuits where people have believed that they put their vehicle into park but found out that it was just an illusion.

It just appeared to be that way, and then when they walked out of their vehicle, they wound up getting run over because it was not actually in park, and apparently, like some vehicles have been recalled in the past because they had faulty transmissions, So they said it was not completely impossible that the truck could have accidentally backed over K because she thought it was mistakenly in park. But the big hole in that theory is that why would K stop her truck in the middle of that particular

road get out before she was run over? So that was the problem here is that it was physically possible for her to be run over, but why would she be in that position in the first place.

the idea that Kay was murdered by someone else. But the problem is is that they were unable to find any other persons of interest or suspects, and it's like one of the odds that K would go to this remote dead end road at like between like nine to nine thirty at night and then just cross paths with someone who was somehow lure out of her truck and then run her over. So I think that's why they

decided to go with the accident theory. But it obviously did not work because the jury only deliberated for two and a half hours before they found Bob guilty of secondary murder and he was sentenced to twenty years in prison.

the logistics and Bob's state of mind. If he would have been able to plan to do things like you know, calling his daughter at that time in order to give himself an alibi, would you have the foresight to do something like that when you're very, very drunk, and like, what is the probability of being able to find Kay when you don't know where she is, you can't track her,

and you've got this really tight time frame. But when you take everything into account, his weird interactions with law enforcement, asking for that crazy letter that would absolve him of all legal responsibility if this, if he did indeed kill her, and wanting to burn down his place as part of this agreement so that he could get a new house as part of a Christmas present. It's all so wild, and the fact that the jury's hearing this, it's like,

there is reasonable doubt. But I also can understand why the jury was like, nah, and he did it.

did this and are comfortable finding him guilty. But obviously, if that was the end of the story, we probably wouldn't be talking about this on the episode. So there is some more twists and turns to come, yeah, believe it or not, So you might remember how Carol Vandergrift that her testimony was pretty much the primary evidence against Bob.

But once Bob was convicted, his defense team filed an appeal saying that her testimony unfairly prejudiced the jury, that even though she told about this incident with her ex husband to Kay and Bob, that doesn't necessarily prove that Bob did the same thing, and that they were unable to establish this, so they feel that there should be

grounds to overturn the conviction. Well, in early nineteen ninety two, about a year and a half after the trial took place, William Douglas Carter's conviction for the attempted murder of Carol Vandergrift wound up getting overturned. Because this goes into kind of batshit crazy territory. Let me just look it up here. So William, when he was arrested for the attempted murder of Carol, he wound up getting convicted of malicious wounding and illegal use of a firearm and received a fourteen

year prison sentence. But then his defense team peeled his conviction and they wound up being contacted by a deputy from the Loudun County Sheriff's office named Doug pop Up, who claimed that shortly before Carol was shot, Carol had attempted to hire him as a private bodyguard in order to watch over her house because she had just gone through a contentious divorce with William and she feared that her life would be in danger, so she wanted Papa

to guard the house, and she apparently made some incriminating statements saying that I'm so bitter against him that I would be willing to shoot myself and make it look like he did it, and that even if I was dead, I would take comfort in the fact that he would get arrested for I murder and have his life ruined

and go to prison. Well, Papa found this pretty incriminating because William always maintained that he didn't do this, so she started wondering could have been possible that Carol actually did shoot herself and attempted to frame her ex husband, And before William's trial took place, Papa actually went to the district attorney and went to his supervisor at the Sheriff's office to share this information, but they conveniently ignored

this and did not share these incriminating statements from Carol at William's trial. And when the appeals court heard about this, they pretty much said that, well, I'm not necessarily saying that William was innocent, but the fact that this statement was not included at his trial and that the district attorney in the sheriff's office deliberately withheld it means that his civil rights were violin. So he says, I have

no choice but to overturn William's conviction. And as you can imagine, this decision would have a big bearing on Bob's appeal as well.

necessarily mean that it happened. But when William went on trial again, he got a retrial. He wound up being acquitted because once they had those statements in there, it planted a lot of reasonable doubt in the jury's mind, and so they found William not guilty. But I find this interesting is that after William was released from prison, he filed a civil rights lawsuit in court and he wound up winning, but the jury decided to award him an amount of one dollar, which I have never seen before.

And I kind of think that's a symbolic thing where they said that, yes, technically your civil rights were violated, Yes technically you received an unfair trial, but we still believe that you were actually guilty of this crime. Hence that's why we're only going to award you one dollar in compensation.

up getting released. But as you can imagine, this played like a big role on Bob Hall's appeal because they said Carol Vandergriff's testimony against him was the primary evidence at his own trial, and now we're finding new evidence to suggest that maybe she shot herself and that attempted to frame Rex's husband, so obviously she is no longer a reliable witness. And the Virginia Court of Appeals agreed, so they decided to overturn Bob's conviction and awarded him

a new trial. And this was less than two years after he was convicted, so the case against Bob fell apart very quickly.

I think that, like, there's a lot of horrible things about Bob and the way that he's acted that we highlighted over and over again, but the fact that she's their main witness and that this is the best evidence that you have says to me that you've got a pretty weak case.

new trial. And I think that would be pretty wild if it turned out that Carol really did shoot herself to frame Rex's husband, but it turned out that Bob was still guilty. Because that doesn't counsel each other out. It's possible that William could have been innocent and Bob was guilty, and he just happened to be inspired by a crime where the suspect was wrongly convicted but was

not actually using the phone calls to establish an alibi. So, unfortunately, this case would wind up being resolved with one of our least favorite things ever, and that's the Alford plea, because unfortunately, without Carol's testimony, the state realized, we don't really have a lot of evidence to take Bob to trial again, and we're not entirely sure we can get

a conviction. So they decided to offer a Bobby deal where his twenty year cents would be shortened to time served and he would receive fifteen years probation if he entered an Alford plea, where technically he would be plead guilty to Kay's murder, but he would still be maintaining his innocence. And in this particular case, I have the mindset that I don't care if Bob is guilty or innocence.

Like if I was in Bob's shoes and I was in innocent, I would take that deal because you're getting fifteen years probation for murder after serving less than two years, as opposed to serving twenty years. So that is a pretty good deal. But unfortunately it's very unsatisfying for every everyone involved because if Bob is innocent, he doesn't have

a chance to clear his name. But if he's guilty, then that's really bad for a Kay's family because they have only got to see this guy serve less than two years and now he's going to be walked free after receiving a sense of probation for murder.

we convicted. He's taking this police So in the end, even though it's not enough and it seems pretty clear from the evidence that we have that Bob is the guilty party. It just it feels unsatisfactory, right, Like it's just like, Okay, you're taking responsibility, but not really. You're not saying you're guilty. You're just saying that with the evidence that is there, they would likely find you guilty again. So you take an Alfred plea, which, like you said,

I hate an Alfred plea. I understand why they use them, and I understand why people decide to take an Alfred plea, but I can imagine for Kay's family, it's like he's only done five years and that's all that he gets, and you don't get to go after him again later.

for committing murder. And I almost think that if they had offered him to that during the interrogation session, Bob would have taken it. So it's technically his weird deal wound up working for him in the long run, and

that's just what's so unfortunate about this case. But like we mentioned, Alfred, please technically count as a win for the prosecution, and if you take one, you can't sue the court later on or sue the state for your wrongful incarceration, Whereas if they had taken Bob to trial and he was acquitted, he might have been able to sue later on. So you can understand why both sides agreed to this, but it's just a very unsatisfying resolution for everyone involved.

if anything happened to him. But I haven't heard of him violating his probation, and I have no idea if he's still alive. If he is, he would be in his mid eighties by this point, so he pretty much just faded from the spotlight. And he obviously didn't spend any time trying to find the real killer of his wife. So, like you said, he technically got what he wanted, He got off with a very light sense, and then was able to move on with his life without any further consequences.

wrongful convictions. So they said they had no choice but to overturn his conviction and give him a new trial. But he ultimately decided on an Alfred plea so he wouldn't have to go back to trial again and go to prison, and then went on to live the rest of his life and is still alive today. And there's still a lot of mystery this case. I've always been inclined to believe that Michael Peterson was guilty, but the

big unanswered question is how did he do it? Because they were never able to conclusively establish a manner of death. I know some people have talked about a theory about her being killed by an owl which caused her to like get clawed and bang her head or something like that, but I personally don't believe it. But it's the same antality with this particular case where you can believe Bob's guilty, but there's still a lot of unanswered questions about how

he pulled it off. How did he know that Kay would be at this particular spot which was sixteen miles from his home, in two miles in the opposite direction of the club they were, and why Kay traveled to this particular spot where she was killed, and how Bob would have known she would be there. So that's a frustrating thing about an alpha. Please you can close the case, everyone can remain silent, but you will never know the full truth about what happened.

amount of evidence. Everything against Michael Peterson kind of made me scratch my head. But with Bob, it's the way that Bob acted in interviews, the things that he said, that's what really pushed me over the edge. Whereas logistically I thought there's a strong possibility he didn't do it, I'm like fifty to fifty with the logistics and trying

to do mental gymnastics for another theory that fits. But the way that he acted in the aftermath, I'm pretty secure in my belief that Bob was indeed responsible for the murder of k.

reasonable doubt about how he could have done it. Theoretically, if Bob was innocent, I don't believe that Kay's death was an accident because of the signs of struggle in the cab, and I think the only other theory of someone else killing her which would make sense is maybe if she was having an affair with someone and never told anyone about it, and maybe they lived in that particular area near Bluff Point Rose and she went to visit this person, maybe they got into an argument and

that person ran her down. But if that was the case, she obviously never told anyone about this affair, since nothing about this came out. But the reason I still have a teeny bit of doubt is that I just don't know what Kay was doing when she left the club at eight and was driving into the pool nearly at eight fifty and then was killed a short time later, Like why was she driving around in this particular area.

So that's why I think there's a minute possibility that maybe she went to see someone, maybe a secret lover, and that person wound up killing her. And if there was nothing else against Bob, then maybe I'd lean more towards that theory. But the way he kept lying to police and said all those suspicious statements during the interview is the main reason that I still think that's the most logical explanation that he did it.

did this. But because of all of these strange elements of this case, I could never be like one hundred percent, well not that we're ever one hundred percent in any case, but you know, ninety nine point nine percent.

hundred percent certainty that I believe he did it. And so that really makes me think that they were a little premature when they decided to charge him based on Carol Vandergriff's testimony, and that maybe they should have waited a longer time, maybe when there were advances in forensic like maybe many years from them, they would have been able to do DNA testing on her nails or something and find more conclusive physical evidence placing Bob at the scene.

But because they jumped the gun and then they convicted him, like in unfair circumstances, they got to the point where all they could do was offer an al Ford plea and let them walk free, and no one was satisfied with the outcome. So any further thoughts on the death of k Hall.

the logistics of it all. So thank you for sharing the details of the murder of Unexplained death slash murder of k Hall.

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