Welcome back to the path, went Chiley for part two of our series about the disappearance of Evelyn Hartley. Robin, do you want to catch everyone up? And when we talked about in our previous episode.
Well, this case takes place all the way back in October of nineteen fifty three in the town of Lacrosse, Wisconsin. Evelyn Harley was a fifteen year old girl who'd been asked to babysit for a family friend or an infant daughter while they went to a football game. Evelyn was going to spend the night alone and was supposed to call her parents to check in every now and then, but she didn't call, and when they tried calling the residence, there was no answer. So her father went over there
and he looked in through the front window. No one answered the door, and he noticed that Evelyn's shoe and her glasses were broken on the floor, so he immediately
became concerned. We entered through the basement window, which was now open, and it seemed apparent that a violent struggle had taken place and that Evelyn was the victim of an abduction, as they even found blood outside the house and a couple of witnesses would later come forward claiming that they saw Evelyn appeared to be dragged across the lawn by two unidentified men who took her away in a car, and he did a search of the area.
They found some bloody clothing which appeared like it might have belonged to Evelyn, also some bloody denim jacket, and some bloody tennis shoes which may have belonged to one or both of her abductors. They looked into some suspects, including notorious murderer Ed Dean, who was originally born in Wisconsin and lived several miles away on his own farm.
They didn't really have any leads, but on the fiftieth anniversary of Evelyn's dis appearance, a witness would come forward, who with a tape recording that he had made all the way back at a tavern in nineteen sixty eight, where two men allegedly bragged about having been involved in abducting Evelyn. They said that three people were involved in total, and that her remains were buried on a farm belonging
to one of the perpetrators. But unfortunately, most of these suspects were already dead by this point, and the one surviving suspect was in a nursing home and had dementia and couldn't be questioned before he died a few years later. But they've never found any evidence to corroborate this story, and thus far, after seventy years, Evelyn is technically still a missing person.
It's quite fascinating to look back and see how the original investigation into Evelyn's disappearance was handled, as there are so many things which took place that you would never see today. This is the only case I've ever seen where vehicles in the community were inspected and had a sticker attached to them which read my car is okay.
And you can imagine what the reaction would be in this day and age if law enforcement announced that they were going to visit all the schools in the community and give polygraph tests to all the male students, parents would probably blow a gasket. Of course, back then, people were not aware of just how unreliable polygraph tests are, and these days you'll often hear attorneys advise people not to take them at all, even if they're completely innocent.
It was just a much different time back then. As Evelyn's father, Richard Hartley, immediately volunteered to take a polygraph just so he could officially be cleared as a suspect, though no one really believed he was responsible. Even though the school board eventually put a stop to the polygraphs, it sounds like the three hundred people who took them were very cooperative and none of them objected.
What's really interesting, and we talked about this on the first episode, is that the police really did go to these in some ways extreme measures to gather evidence and to try to look for perpetrators who could have apprehended Evelyn. And it was really smart to start with the schools. Evelyn's a teenage girl. Someone likely knew she was at that house, That's what it feels like, and or it
was a crime of opportunity. So the idea of we're going to go to these schools and we're going to polygraph these young men and see if any of them might be a suspect, there's a genius idea. Yes, polygraphs are not reliable. They usually say they're like fifteen to twenty percent error rates, which is way too high when you talk about someone's criminal innocence or guilt. I'm so
impressed that back in the fifties. They're searching vehicles from the community and putting stickers on it to say car has already been cleared.
They're going to the schools.
They're even doing things like turning up and looking through recently Dug Graves to see if maybe Evelyn was dumped there. And so it is very impressive that back in the nineteen fifties do you have a police force so dedicated to looking for her and it's insane that she was never found.
Yeah, definitely wasn't a lack of effort. And I'm sure if a lot of these practices took place today, you'd have people complaining about having their civil rights violated. But back then they just said, sure, we'll do whatever we can to help you find this missing girl, and they cooperated in every way. But this was what makes me think that whoever her abductor was was someone who did not live in Lacrosse or the immediate area and probably were never investigated at the time.
Do you know if Lacrosse has a lot of lakes or wooded area.
I think so, Yeah, Like it's surrounded by a lot of remote stuff, so there would have been ample places to dispose of her body. I think they even talked about on the episode that she was allegedly buried somewhere near a Mississippi River floodplain, so it would have been easy for her remains to be lost forever. So on the surface, this might seem like a fairly straightforward case. We know Evelyn was abducted and likely murdered, but the
one thing we don't know is who the perpetrator was. However, there are still a number of baffling unanswered questions about how these events might have unfolded. Since Evelyn was abducted well babysitting at another family's house, this opened up debate about whether she was specifically targeted or she was simply
in the wrong place at the wrong time. You've heard me talk extensively about the nineteen eighty four disappearance and murder of twelve year old Janelle Matthews, who was abducted from her home in a fashion that was quite similar
to Evelyn's case. Even though a suspect named Steve Panky has been charged and convicted of Janelle's murder, he had no known connection to the victim, and since he has never admitted any culpability, we still don't know if he specifically targeted Janelle, or if she was selected at random.
We still have these same unanswered questions in Evelyn's disappearance, though the key difference is that she was babysitting at another family's house, and I'd be very curious to know how many people knew she was going to be there. Evelyn had never babysat for the ras Musen family before, and only took the job because the regular babysitter, Janis Cowley,
was attending the homecoming game that night. Since the game was such a big deal in lacrosse and Digo Rasmusen was a professor at the college, someone who knew the family's routine might have assumed Bigo would attend the game and hire his regular babysitter to watch his infant daughter that night, but the abductor didn't realize that Evelyn would be there instead. Well, no one has ever turned up any evidence to suggest that Janis Cowley was the intended target.
It would be one thing if this had been a last minute arrangement, but Evelyn had agreed to babysit at the rass Musseen residence days in advance.
Here's what's interesting is there's also the possibility that she was in touch with friends or individuals who were asking her to go out for homecoming, and it's possible that that's one of the reasons that she didn't want a babysit that night. Remember, she had expressed some reluctance to her mom, like I don't really want to go to and mom says, no, ma'am, you made a commitment. You're going to follow through with that because the family has
plans and you gave them your word. If she had told people, oh, I can't go, I have to go babysit for the Rasmussen family, then it's possible that it is somebody that she knew.
I'm assuming that they would have.
Started with those friends though when they were starting to do those three hundred polygraph tests.
Yeah, Like, I'm sure they looked extensively into everyone from Evelyn's personal life, like a lot of her male friends, and tried to figure out who knew she would be
at the house babysitting that night. I mean, I think you're correct that because she had wanted to go to the homecoming game instead, she probably told people, oh, I got a babysit tonight, even though I don't really want to, but who knows, Like maybe your friends told other people and then were just spread until the wrong person learned that, Oh, Evelyn's going to be alone tonight at this house and be completely vulnerable. Now's my opportunity to come ubductor.
Throughout the investigation, no one uncovered anybody from Evelyn's background who seemed like a potential suspect with a motive to murder her. The one aspect of this case which does seem pretty clear is the approximate time period when Evelyn was abducted. She had instructions to put baby Janie to bed at seven pm and cover her with a blanket at seven pin fifteen, but since the child was found uncovered,
Evelyn was presumably taken before she could do this. Given the neighbors were called hearing screams during this fifteen minute window, you can definitely pinpoint it as the time that Evelyn was being attacked. Now, even if Evelyn herself was not specifically targeted. One aspect of this case which is still up for debate is whether the person who took her was an opportunistic predator or if they were attempting a burglary and did not know that anyone was in the house.
As hard as it may be to fathom now, there were no curtains on the living room window of the Ris muse in Residence. This is just another symptom of it being a much different time period, as people felt safe living in this particular section of town. Someone cruising through the neighborhood could have caught a glimpse of the rasmusin residence, seen a teenage girl sitting in the living room alone through the front window, and decided to take
the opportunity to grab her. Primarks were found on at least one other window, so it looked like the perpetrator made a couple of failed attempts to enter the house before they managed to get inside through the basement. But what if the perpetrator was a burglar. Yes, it appears that nothing was stolen from the house, but it's possible that burglar was forced to flee the scene without taking
everything once they realized that Evelyn was there. If she had seen his face or something, he might have felt he needed to abduct her. Like we mentioned earlier, given that Vigo Resmusim was a professor at Lacrosse State College, someone could have knowed he'd be attending the homecoming game that night with his family. They might have been under the mistaken impression that the house would be unoccupied and unaware that there was a baby's that are looking after
their infant child. Of course, the problem with that theory is that anyone who went through the neighborhood on Hostlar Drive that night would have been able to see that someone was inside the house through the front window, since the living room lights were on. But on the other hand, the tracking dogs did follow Evelyn sent through the backyard to Cooley Drive, where it's believed that her abductor placed her inside a vehicle and drove away. That particular spot
is located northeast of the resmuse In residence. If the perpetrator parked their vehicle on Cooley Drive and approached the house from the back, they might not have even seen the living room window and noticed the lights were on and that someone was home.
That is a really good point of it being just a random burglar, where maybe they see the family drive away from the home and they believe, listen, this is homecoming night. This whole area is obsessed with the game, and a lot of people are not going to be at their home in the evening, which is actually when most people are home. So this me in particular, provides
a great time for a burglar to go around. And you do see all of those prime marks where it looks like a screwdriver or something to us in multiple locations to try to get in. And finally, this bizarre basement area is where the person accesses the home and leaves that way, and so it definitely could lead credence
to the fact that this was a robber. And when they get into the home, they realize, oh my god, there's an infant who can't recognize me, and this teenage girl who's now terrified and has been looking at me. I have to take her with me. So definitely a possibility. Those prime marks everywhere make it much more prone that it's a burglar than perhaps that's just opportunistic prowler who sees her right that someone seems to have come prepared with at least an instrument to try to break in.
I wish we knew where these windows were located, because if these windows were located where say you could see light coming from the front window, or that you would somehow know that there was somebody home, or if these windows were at the back of the home and there was no view to be able to see that there was clearly somebody who was there.
Well, it seems pretty clear how the abductor got inside the house. What's not so clear is how they got
Evelyn out. Since Evelyn's school books were scattered throughout the living room and her broken glasses and one of her shoes were on the floor, a struggle definitely took place there, and since Evelyn's other shoe was found in the basement, it's reasonable to assume that the perpetrator took her down there and dragged her out through the window, as this is supported by the amount of blood which was found
in the backyard and the neighboring homes. However, it does seem like it would be difficult to exit through a basement window with a kidnapped girl in tow. We know that the front door and all the other entrances to the house were locked, since the only way Richard Hartley could get inside when he arrived was through the open
basement window. Some newspaper accounts have stated that the front door of the rasp Museen residence was a self locking door, which likely means you wouldn't have to use a key and that would lock automatically whenever you stepped outside and closed it. And that's the case, then theoretically the abductor could have taken Evelyn out the front door and locked
it behind them without using a key. But looking at the evidence, it would make sense for the perpetrator to take Evelyn out through the basement window, as taking her out through the front door might attract too much attention. If the dog scent trail was accurate and the getaway car was parked on Cooley Drive northeast from the ras Musen residence, then would be quicker to escape out the back and cut through the backyard past the neighbor's houses
towards the street. If they took Evelyn out the front door, they'd have to travel north on Hostler Drive and turn right on COOLi Drive to walk towards the car, which is along a route and runs a bigger risk of them being spotted by the neighbors. While there was a lot of blood found in the backyard and on the surrounding houses, no blood was found inside the rass Musen residence, so it appears that Evelyn may have been violently attacked
after she went outside. One thing I've seen proposed is that the screen to the basement window, which was found resting up against the house, might have been used as a weapon to strike Evelyn if she put up a struggle and tried to run away. This probably would have occurred at the spot next to the house where the
pool of blood was found. Since the second pool of blood was next to a neighbor's garage, Evelyn likely fell down or was forced down there while she was being dragged towards Cooley Drive.
I think that's exactly what what occurred, right, is that the idea she's you know, maybe not resisting them on her way out of the house, and then as soon as she gets out there's an attack because she maybe says, I'm going to try to flee. This is my last moment. You know, you don't go get in the car, you run, You try to maybe fight him off. Maybe you try to scream because you're outside now the neighbors could hear you.
And yet if he had a weapon, even the screwdriver or something, and stabbed her, hit her in the head something to that extent, you would start to see not only that blood evidence, but also the behavior that was described by one witness, where it looked like a young lady who was incapacitated or incoherent trying to get to a car a street away. So to me, that's the
most likely scenario. I don't think necessarily she was harmed inside the house other than a scuffle to get control of her, which is what resulted in her shoes coming off and the broken glasses. But I think that injury with a weapon or even a physical assault that resulted in those pools of blood, that's where the crime change from. It can no longer just be an abduction, but now we actually have to take her and maybe do something with her body.
I have a question for you, So, first part, you both believe that the motivation for the abduction of Evelyn was a sexually based motivation. And then secondly, if that is true, then how likely would it be that somebody would use a sharp force type of implement or weapon to hurt Evelyn if they wanted to preserve the body for whatever they wanted to do, like they likely then wouldn't want to kill her, So it seems odd that they would violently attack her with something that would cause
her to like pools of blood. So is this somebody that's just very strong and is dragging her along after the fact too, or is this two people like witnessed Haffer or mister X had said.
It definitely makes sense if it's two people. For me, and I still wonder if like one person was standing as a lookout by the basement window while someone else went inside and abducted Evelyn and the other person helped drag her outside. I mean, it does seem like it is sexually motivated that if they wanted to, they could have just sexually assaulted her at the house and killed
her there. But they probably figured, well, there's a eye open window there, we can be seen, there's no privacy here, and we want to get rid of her body, so they decided that we're going to have to take her elsewhere in order to assault her by it. Like, you're right, I don't think they would want to damage her too
much if they wanted to do that. So I'm thinking that if they did something to her that caused her to bleed, it might have been like a defensive thing where Evelyn put up a fight and they did that to restrain her.
Of course, It's been theorized that at least two perpetrators may have been responsible for Evelyn's abduction, and there seems to be evidence both for and against this theory. On one hand, there was only one set of male footprints
found both inside and outside the house. But on the other hand, there's the eyewitness count that I just mentioned from Ed Hoffer, who claimed that he saw two men and a girl staggering down Coolly Drive that night, around the approximate time period Evelyn is believed to have been abducted. Haffer was also nearly hit by a speeding car which likely contained these same three people, which seems to indicate
that they were trying to leave the area in a hurry. Well, Hoffer didn't get a good enough look at the girl to positively identify her as Evelyn. The timing and the circumstances of the whole thing lends credence to the idea that the unknowingly saw Evelyn while she was in the process of being abducted by two perpetrators. Well, there doesn't seem to be any physical evidence placing more than one intruder at the Rasmusen home. It's possible that only one
of them actually went inside well. The other one remained outside in the backyard as a lookout. This might explain how Evelyn was forcibly removed from the house through the basement window, as the second abductor may have been waiting there to help his partner drag her outside. It sounds like the dirty footprints found in the living room were the results of the intruders stepping in the outside flower beds.
But if his accomplice never stepped in the dirt, that would explain why he never left any footprints behind.
Yeah.
Absolutely, I think that when you look at this idea that she was fortunately taken out, it does help with the idea of being able to get her moved and moved without anyone noticing her, being able to incapacitate her to a point where you wouldn't necessarily hear her scream. Someone could have been covering in her mouth while the
other one's moving her. You know, there's just a lot of different moving parts where if that witness actually saw her being taken a pretty far distance for an abduction, then it would be very hard to keep her quiet that long. If she was walking, she wasn't incapacitated at a point where she couldn't scream. So having two people there, and especially that report where there's a man in the front seat and a man in the backseat with this girl, it indicates that two people would have allowed for just
an easier apprehension. Now, what makes it crazy, though, is that oftentimes, when there are two people who are involved in a crime, for both of them to take that to their grave is pretty wild.
Well, as we're going to discuss further, it's possible that one of them bragged about it in a bar to a guy with a tape recorders, so that may not be true that eventually one of them did talk anyway. The other major clues in this case were the blood stained undergarments in Brazil are found outside of town, which were believed to belong to Evelyn, along with a pair of pants, a denim jacket, and a pair of tennis
shoes that were all staying with blood. It was never conclusively established if the pants were connected to the case, but it seems very likely that the shoes and jacket were worn by the perpetrator since they matched the physical evidence found at the abduction scene. At the time, he was believed that the jacket was too small to be
worn by someone who wore size eleven shoes. But this discrepancy could be explained away if two perpetrators were involved in the crime, as one of them could have been wearing the jacket while the other wore the shoes. It's actually quite fascinating to go back and read about the forensic testing and analysis which were performed on these items of clothing in nineteen fifty three, as we were still
many decades away from DNA profiling. Instead, they had to look at the physical evidence and make educated guesses, such as the perpetrator being a steeple jack or dryving a Weezer motorcycle. But I don't know if any of these hunches were correct since they never turned up any promising leads. They also seem to think that a hair found in one of the shoes belonged to an African American male, but I'm not sure if they were able to conclusively
prove that. If this crime had taken place today and investigators found bloody clothing which belonged to both the victim and the perpetrator, they might have been able to solve the case relatively quickly. It's frustrating to hear that the jacket and shoes were apparently lost by police over the years, because if DNA testing was performed on the evidence, perhaps they might have turned up something.
What's really hard is that some of the evidence too went missing right where you have these the bloody clothing, and you even had someone come forward and see a news story and say, hey, listen, we recognize those pieces. I might know who they belonged to, and then they
weren't able to find them. It's really really frustrating, like you said, because advancements weren't there in the fifty they were starting to be there in the eighties when this case was being geared back up and there was more media attention on the anniversary for it.
And then about.
Fifty years later you start to get even more attention back on it, where the science has caught up, but the evidence just isn't there to run it against. So it's like that race where time is on your side in some ways, but then you find out all that hard work that the investigators did, somehow that evidence got misplaced.
Yeah. I think that if this crime happened today, I don't think that the perpetrator would toss clothing with their blood on its out into remote area. They would probably think if someone tests this, they're going to lead it back to me, so they would probably go to all extent to bury it or get rid of it so that it was never found.
So now let's look at possible suspects. A lot of them have popped up on the radar these past several decades, but most of them have been ruled out, and there really isn't strong evidence pointing to anyone in particular. Let's start with that Geen, as he's one of the most notorious murderers of all time and the one suspect who is most associated with this case. But quite frankly, I think his significance here is way overstated, as he was
cleared as the suspect almost immediately. Yes, it seems that they came to that conclusion because Gean passed two LAE detector tests, and these tests obviously do not have the same way today as they did in nineteen fifty seven. However, other than the fact that Gean was originally born in Lacrosse, what connection does he have to Evelyn's case at all? I know that many accounts state that Gean was visiting relatives in Lacrosse at the time Evelyn went missing, but
I have my doubts that this is accurate. Like we mentioned in Part one, a lot of the original newspaper accounts state that when Geen was questioned, he claimed that he had not been to Lacrosse since he was seven years old. Well, Gean did still have relatives living in Lacrosse in nineteen fifty three. I haven't seen any confirmation that he went to visit them at that time, but even if he did, Evelyn's abduction just does not fit
's at all. His two known murder victims, Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden, were women in their fifties who lived in the Plainfield area, and he was personally acquainted with them. It's believed that Geane killed them because they reminded him of his deceased mother, whom he had an obsession with. Performing a home invasion in another town over one hundred miles away in order to abduct a random teenage girl
does not sound like something that Gean would do. And if the sighting from ed Hoffer was accurate and two men abducted Evelyn, it seems really out of character for a known loner like Gean to be working with an accomplice. It was also established that none of the human remains found on Gean's farm belonged to Evelyn. Yes, theoretically he could have disposed of her body somewhere between Lacrosse and Plainfield,
But think about it. Would a guy who performs grave robbing and decorates his house with human remains really go to the trouble of disposing of a victim's body. Since Gean was arrested only four years after Evelyn went missing, I can see how it would be tempting to think there's a connection, But I really don't think that he was responsible.
I don't think that he was responsible either. Really, what we know about Geen is that he loved to honor his victims in his sick way. He wanted parts of their body, He wanted to make things out of them. He even went to the extent of not only he only killed two people they were aware of, but he would dig up human remains. He was so desperate for the materials to make bowls and lampshades and whatever else he made. Right, it was all on display at his home.
Why would he then apprehend someone who does not fit his victimology? And then not keep her body for his sick purposes. It seems like the whole goal of his was to keep his victims with him or to find a connection with deceased individuals. So it doesn't fit the description of what happened to Evelyn here and there was no sign of her at his home.
That ed Gean is an inter sexually based crimes and we know that he's like a goal directed killer. He doesn't kill for the murder itself. He kills for the product that that murder provides, whereas whatever happened to Evelyn likely was not for the product it provides after she's deceased.
And on a side note, this is just an amusing coincidence, but on the day we're recording this, it was just announced that the Netflix series Monster is going to devote season three to the ed Geen story, and he's going to be played by Charlie Hunham from Sons of Anarchy, who seems like an unlikely casting choice to say the least.
I love him and I always hear that he's a really nice guy.
He is, yeah, from what I heard, so I can't picture him as ed Gean, but I'm anxious to see this no.
I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying to picture him as ed Gean, but I'm in I'll watch it.
Another potential suspect who popped up on the radar many years after the fact was a local farmer who was implicated when two anonymous witnesses came forward after the airing of the Evelyn Hartley Story documentary in nineteen eighty nine. As you recall, this farmer often liked to wear a blue denim jacket and tennis shoes and drove a dark
colored Chevrolet. But after he went into the Lacrosse on the evening of October twenty fourth, nineteen fifty three, the witnesses never saw him wearing those items or driving that car again. But of course, the obvious question is why did it take them so long to come forward. Well, they claimed that they did go to the Lacrosse County District Attorney's office with his information in nineteen seventy three,
but the authorities were not interested in pursuing it. The way the farmer allegedly said he was going into town to quote unquote find a woman lends credence to the idea that he may have been an opportunistic predator who happened to pass by the window of the Rasmusen residence and noticed that Evelyn was home alone. The part of this story which doesn't match up is him driving a Chevrolet, as the vehicle ed Hoffer saw in the neighborhood that night with the two men, and the girl was described
as a buick. Anyway, after these witnesses came forward, Steve Botham filmed the follow up news segment containing this new information, and it's available for viewing on YouTube alongside the Evelyn Hartley Story documentary. But this is the only source I could find out there which mentions the lead involving the farmer. Given that the alleged suspect had been dead for ten years by that point, I can only assume this lead never went anywhere.
Well, we did talk about the idea that this could have been an opportunistic predator or offender, and so if you go by what this man says, the farmer says, I'm off to find a woman, then he would fit
that description of an opportunistic predator. Again, though he would have had to have been present in that area and seen that it was just this teenage girl and assumed that nobody else was there, which to me, the only way you would know that in the evening is that you saw the adults in that scenario leave the home and had towards the homecoming game. Do we know what time did they leave the house?
Shortly before seven? Because I think that's when Evelyn last spoke to her parents on the phone, and I think they left a short time before that.
Okay, So then that does that does allow for someone to be sitting there and watch the parents leave and then see this young teenage girl there, because otherwise, when the lights are on and you know it's it's the evening, you would assume that even if you saw a teenage girl walk by the window, that her parents would probably be home as well. But it is possible that someone was simply looking for a woman to attack and he found the right home where there was a young teenage
girl babysitting. It is interesting that the car doesn't match up to the vehicle that mister X or mister Hoffer saw that night that there were two men getting into a green buick with a girl who seems to be incapacitated, which would match a young lady who had just been attacked. But yeah, this one's one of those. It's very elusive, it's a very creepy comment made. But to what extent does that translate to a missing person and now possible murder.
Don't you both feel like there would be some other information out there about this farmer being a creep like one doesn't typically just commit one crime in their lifetime and they start by getting their feet wet by abducting and murdering a young girl. They would typically start somewhere else, whether it be like being a peeping tom and like slowly escalate over time, And most killers don't just kill
one time and then that's it. So I feel like I wish we knew more about this individual and if he had been known as being like this local creep, if he harassed any women, Do we know any of that information, Robin.
We don't, unfortunately, because they don't release any information about them. All we know is from what these two witnesses said when they came forward. But this was decades after the fact.
But the police did such a thorough job that I'd like to think that if there were any farm area who had a history of creepy behavior and acting lecturist towards women or young girls that he would have been investigated at the time, but I see no indication that this person had been on the radar as a suspect before.
So that brings us to our most intriguing lead, which is the tape recording of an alleged confession to Evelyn's murder, which surfaced in two thousand and three. It featured a conversation in which a man named Clyde t Wee Peterson claimed that he teamed up with an accomplice named Jack Golfier, Yeah, named Jack Golfair and a mutual friend of theirs to abduct Evelyn and took her to a mutual friend's farm,
where Golfair proceeded to murder her and bury her body. Now, since the recording was made in nineteen sixty eight, and it's another example of a witness and not coming forward with key information about an unsolved cold case for decades, I can understand the skepticism. It's very strange how the tavern owner Mel Williams just forgot about the recording and put it away somewhere, even though it practically contained a
confession to the murder of a teenage girl. I mean, he had the whole thing on tape, so it's not like Williams would have to worry about the police not believing his story. But since Peterson and the other man involved in the conversation, Whitey Barclay, sounded like they were rough characters, perhaps Williams feared that there would be repercussions if he went to the authorities. Regardless, things might have turned out much differently in this case if they'd been
able to question Peterson while he was still alive. I know the criminals often get caught because they can't keep their mouth shut and brag about their crimes, but if Peterson was telling the truth, it's crazy that he would confess to such a heinous crime when he knew that he was being recorded. Hell Williams claimed that Peterson told him to stop the tape, yet he could not remember what happened next. Why wouldn't Peterson have forced him to
hand over the tape. Whitey Barclay, the man who initiated this conversation, was described as being a quote big mouth, though it didn't sound like he was implicated as having participated in Evelyn's abduction. I guess the wild card in this whole situation is the mutual friend of Peterson and Jack Golfair, as he's never been publicly named, and it was his farm where Evelyn was allegedly taken, taken to
and murdered. If there were three people involved in Evelyn's abduction, then this complicates things since ed Hoffer only witnessed two men dragging the girl down the street and driving away from the scene that night. And there's also the fact that Golfair was the alleged mastermind behind the whole thing, and he apparently knew who Evelyn was and that she would be babysitting at the resmuse and residence that night.
Well.
The tavern where this recording took place was in the village of Lafarge, which is an hour away from Lacrosse, though it's worth mentioning that the perpetrator supposedly took Evelyn to their friend's farm at a location which has never been disclosed, so for all we know, it could have been near Lacrosse.
What makes me feel like there could be some credence to this is that it's been you know, time has passed. He doesn't think that he's going to get caught because he's gotten away with it. He's probably drinking. But there's a lot of details here that unless it's recalling a media account or some kind of conversation they've had, he knew a lot of information, he said, tell him aout the Hartley girl right, knew her name, knew that she was babysitting, knew all of these little details about her
and the scenario that evening. So if it's not accurate, remember this is the nineteen fifties, this is now the sixties when he's telling the story.
Would he know all.
That information just based on media coverage and newspaper articles from a crime years earlier.
I mean, it's certainly possible. I mean, I don't know if it was still getting headlines in nineteen sixty eight, that even if they were writing like fifteenth anniversary articles and getting the case back in the spotlight again. But investigators have never said that. He said in this recording that they had held back from the public and was not public knowledge. So he didn't really say anything to indicate that he had any more knowledge of what happened
than everyone else did. But let's talk more about Jack Golfair. We mentioned in part one that the Matoon Journal Gazette published the original article about this story and said that his last name was Golfair with a P, but I
think that's a mistake. There's a website out there called crime Blogger nineteen eighty three dot blogspot dot com which published an extensive article about this case, and they managed to dig up a couple of old newspaper articles about someone named Jack Golfair whose last name was spelled with a T, and since they referred to golfare as being from LeFarge, I'm pretty sure this is the same person
who was mentioned during the recording. These articles reported that on October the twenty fifth, nineteen fifty one, Golffair and another man named Marian Driscoll were fined one hundred dollars each, given suspended jail sentences of eleven to twelve months, and placed on two years probabtion for quote unquote contributing to
the delinquency of a girl under sixteen. There aren't many details about this incident, except that Golfaer and Driscoll took the girl to a tavern before they brought it back to Golfaer's home and led her into an upstairs bedroom. They actually appealed their conviction all the way to the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but the request for a new trial was denied, and you can actually find the decision online
under State versus Driscoll, Wisconsin, nineteen fifty three. Well, this obviously paints Golfare as the type of guy who liked to prey on teenage girls, so it does sound like he could have been capable of abducting a fifteen year old like Evelyn Hartley. In online discussions about this case, I've seen a few people theorize that perhaps Marian Driscoll was the mutual friend who owned the farm where Evelyn
was murdered. You can find an article containing Jack Golfaer's obituary online, as he shot himself at the age of thirty nine on Christmas Day in nineteen sixty seven. I find the timing to be interesting since the recorded conversation in the tavern allegedly took place sometime in nineteen sixty eight, So perhaps Peterson and Barclay felt they could talk more freely about Evelyn's murder now that golf There was dead.
And you could also infer that Golfaer's guilt over what he did to Evelyn compelled him to take his own life. While the police were going to check into this whole story. It doesn't look like they found any evidence to support it, and I have no idea if they had any real plans to exhume the bodies of Peterson or golf There or anyone else in order to compare their DNA against
the physical evidence. But we don't even know if there is any available physical evidence, as the denim jacket and tennis shoes can no longer be found when a search
was performed for them decades after the fact. Without any evidence containing DNA, it will be much more difficult to conclusively link anyone to the crime, especially since all the alleged perpetrators are deceased, and if Evelyn was buried in a Mississippi River floodplain and washed away, then it will probably be impossible to record for any remains after all this time.
That's what's so sad here. There's really no one even to question anymore. You had at one point the police had one of these three gentlemen still alive, but he was ninety seven or something to that extent and had dementia, so he would have been no help in trying to recall what had happened. Is very interesting that Jack actually completed suicide. And obviously, if you're carrying the guilt of murdering somebody, it's possible that could have contributed to that.
But if you were going to kill someone and help your friends dispose of a body, I'm not sure that you would carry a whole lot of guilt. Just kind of depends on the kind of human being that you are. But here, I still there's part of me who thinks these are people who worked as a team, they thought they were bigger and better than the police, and that there is a potential that there could be a link
back to Evelyn's case. I just I find it hard to believe you're going to sit in a bar and brag about it, even though we see criminals all the time take credit for things they didn't do. I wish, I wish, I wish they would exhume the bodies and compare it to DNA or physical evidence. But are we even sure that there is evidence remaining that would have any of the perpetrator's DNA on it.
I'm entirely sure about that. I mean, we mentioned how the jacket and the shoes are gone, and they might still have the blood samples found at the scene, but that blood probably belongs to Evelyn, so I'm not sure if you're going to find any of the DNA belonging
to the perpetrator on it. And that's the problem is that this was nineteen fifty three, so I'm sure no one was envisioning that we would need to hold onto this evidence for decades and then do this new form of testing in order to potentially identify the killer.
No, I think that you would assume that you know, this is what we have, But you know what the shame is is that it's the shoes and the jacket and things like that that would have the potential to have both her blood and their DNA evidence on it, and we just simply don't have it.
I do find it interesting that this alleged confession took place only like a couple months after golf There suicide, So maybe if they were responsible, Peterson had this mentality while we're going to brag about it, and if anyone from law enforcement starts questioning me or starting an investigation, we'll just blame it on the dead guy and say that we were just joking when we said we were involved.
As it is, right now, there are far too many unanswered questions for me to believe with any certainty the jack golf There and his two accomplices were the perpetrators. Since LeFarge was an hour from Lacrosse, it's still unclear how golf There would have known that Evelyn was babysitting
at the Rasmusen home that night. All that being said, if you search hard enough online, you'll find a couple of comments from people who claim to have a personal connection to Lacrosse and have shared uncooperated rumors that Evelyn met golf There because students would sneak away to LeFarge to drink and party, and this was how we might have learned about Evelyn's babysitting. Of course, everything that we've read about Evelyn makes her sound like a model teenager
who wouldn't sneak away to another town to party. But perhaps she had a wild side that her family didn't know about. I can't speak to the veracity of these rumors that Evelyn personally knew Golfair, But even so, if Golfair and his accomplices took Evelyn all the way to LeFarge should murder her and bury her body, why would they return to an area only a couple miles outside Lacrosse to dispose of her bloody undergarments along with the
bloody tennis shoes and denim jacket. Why not bury the evidence with Evelyn or dispose of it in an area closer to Lfarge where there isn't a large scale search operation going on. Remember, the undergarments were discovered on October twenty seventh, but the area had been searched the day before and the undergarments were not there. So this would imply that Golfair or one of his accomplices made a special trip to Lacrosse a few days after the crime
in order to dump them there. Granted, this may have been a deliberate attempt at misdirection in order to keep the investigation away from LeFarge, but it's still fairly risky with the way the crime was carried out. Some people have always suggested that the perpetrator or perpetrators were locals who had knowledge of the area rather than other towners like golf Are and Peterson.
That's true. When I think about these people who are disposing of evidence, you could be on the right tractors where you say, well, if you threw it out the window towards lacrosse and things like that. Maybe it is, you know, putting the scent off for the police, but to me, it almost seems like someone who's scared and panicking.
They didn't bury the evidence with the body, and now that the police are going to these extreme measures and they're really hunting for this young girl for evidence for perpetrators on a scale that I'm guarantee you that city had never seen. It almost seems like someone who's panicked.
And after a search is conducted and they hear on the newspaper or something that a search is being conducted, they go and they try to discarded this evidence like a very panicked almost offender, someone who is kind of cool, calm and collected. I don't see them throwing things out the window, like you said, burn them, put them where the body was discarded something like that, but not thrown out the window. To me, that seems very kind of chaotic and scared.
It's almost like perhaps they forgot they even had this evidence, that it was three days after the fact, and they realized, oh, we still have Evelyn's bloody clothes inside my car, I should get rid of them. And then they just toss them out the first place that they passed by, and don't think about the significance of like going taking extra
steps in order to completely destroy it. If there was definitive proof that Evelyn had ties to Lfarge and a cross paths with Golf there before she went missing, then that would greatly increase my belief that the confession was legitimate and Golf there murdered her. But otherwise I can't say with absolute certainty that he was responsible overall. It would have to if the killer was someone who never
showed up on the radar and completely escaped detection. Whoever it was, chances are they're long dead by now and will never face justice for this crime. Regardless, this will always remain one of the most frightening unsolved missing person's cases of all time. You'll always hear people share stories about how they once lived in a peaceful community where you didn't even have to lock your doors, but then
an horrific event like this changed everything. Like I mentioned in our intro to part one, this is a situation straight out of a horror movie, except that it involved a real life monster rather than a supernatural one. Anyway, if someone can still come forward with a tape recorded confession after fifty years, then I guess we can never completely write off the possibility of finding out what happened here.
So if by chance you happen to have any information about the unsolved disappearance of Evelyn Hartley, please contact the appropriate authorities. Jules Ashley any final thoughts on this case.
This is as heartbreaking as you get. You have a young girl who it's homecoming weakened, everyone's going to the game, and she gets an opportunity to babysit, an opportunity that she really isn't that excited about because I guarantee you she wanted to go to the game too, or wanted to be with her friends that night. And Mom says, go, you need to go because you made an obligation. You gave them your word, and they're leaving. They need you
to watch their little girl. And it's not just a few minutes later that Mom gets this gut feeling that something's wrong, that she needs to reach out to Evelyn. And by the time that they realize, Evelyn hasn't called when she said she would, and Dad goes over to the house. He peeks in the window and he sees her school books scattered everywhere, her glasses are broken, her
shoe is sitting there, a single shoe. And it's not until later you realize there's blood evidence outside the home and a possibility that she was abducted and taken by one or two perpetrators away from that area, and her
body's never found. So you have two families that are destroyed by this case, the family of the little girl she was babysitting and Evelyn's family, And then you have a whole community who then has to sit back and say it's not even safe for our little girls to go out and babysit, which is one of the most coming of age things that we all do, right, going to care for a family friend's child. Evelyn likely lost her life doing just that in a home where she
should have been safe. So it might have been, you know what, seventy years ago, but to me, when you think about this, it's horrifying to this day to think that you could be in your home or a family friend's home and lose your life. And even worse for Evelyn's family, they didn't know where she was. They never got the resolution of where she is, where her body might be, what happened to her long term, and her family died without knowing those answers. So it's just incredibly tragic.
It's one of those where it's almost been too long. The evidence isn't there anymore to necessarily provide a resolution. It would take someone who is still alive. That's another problem in this case that knows information. But my goodness, just a normal coming of age evening I went to babysit somebody's child and she didn't come home. So sad.
The story hit me in the gut because it just reminded me of being a teenage babysitter and looking out that dark window because I'd watched all the Halloween movies and being terrified, just knowing that, like what lies out
there you don't know. It gave me the hebe gbs at that age, and to think that Evelyn didn't want to babysit, And I wonder like, did she not want a babysit because she wanted to go to the game, or because it was a big deal with homecoming game, or was it just that she had some kind of premonition in the way that her mom had. The premonition was just call Evelyn at this point, and her dad was like, no, no, it's okay. We're gonna hear from
her at eight thirty. So it just really makes me wonder like what she was thinking at that time, and if she didn't want a babysit because she had a strange feeling, or if it was anything along those lines. My heart really breaks for the family, not only for Evelyn's family, but for the Rasmusin family as well, because we see how it affected their daughters, because Jana said that when they moved, they put bars on the windows,
and rightfully so. I can't imagine the trauma that would be inflicted knowing that your babysit or that you hired was taken out of your home and likely something terrible was done to her because she's never seen again. It would inform the way that you would then parents your own children, and it probably did to the entire community, because I'm sure this reverberated outwards in a big way, and insofar as who is the most like likely suspect, I think that there's really not a lot to go
on here. I don't think there's anything that we can cling to enough, or that I personally can cling to enough.
To go.
Aha. Those look like the likely perpetrators. I think, why would Peterson be admitting to or confessing to a crime if he wasn't part of it. But like Asha just mentioned, criminals confess to crimes that they didn't commit all the time. Maybe he thought that this was bragging rights in some kind of sick way, or he was responsible and him and golf Heer and the other unnamed person. Maybe the farmer who was mentioned earlier took her to the farm
or this undisclosed location. Maybe it went down that way. But maybe it's just some guys bragging about something and trying to take credit. I'm really undecided on that. But like Ash just mentioned, it's really sad that we don't have a lot of the evidence here and most of the people who are likely involved are deceased.
Yeah. I remember hearing about this case many years ago, and it was one of the more frightening missing person's cases I've ever seen, because in a lot of these cases, they just vanished into thin air and you don't know what happened to them. But here we have ample evidence that Evelyn was the victim of a home invasion and a violent abduction and put up a major struggle before
she was taken away from that house. And it's a scenario you see in horror movies and spooky stories all the time, the babysitter who's alone with a child and is in a very vulnerable situation, and pretty much a real life horror story actually happened here. When I first became familiar with this case, most of the sources I found mentioned the whole ed Green connection, so I was thinking, hm,
maybe this is an unconfirmed victim of him. But the more I researched it, the more I realized that the Green connection was very thin, and it's extremely unlikely that he was responsible, and it's nothing more than a red herring because he happened to live one hundred miles away, was born in the same town that Evelyn went missing from, and was arrested only four years later. But now I definitely think that there were at least two people involved.
I don't know if they were complete strangers or anyone from Evelyn's personal life. I don't know if they were specifically targeting her or if they just selected her at random because they noticed, perhaps that she was home alone through the front window which didn't have any curtains and
just decided to take advantage of the opportunity. I really can't say if Jack goll There and Tywee Peterson are responsible, if Peterson's confession is just a brag, and if these two men had any involvement in the crime, because as far as anyone can tell, no connection could be found between Evelyn or any of these men, So if they
weren't responsible, it was a completely random crime. But it just seems major overkill, incredibly brazen that someone would attempt to abduct a girl in an otherwise safe suburban neighborhood. But as we've seen in other cases, like the Janell Matthews case, that sort of thing does happen, and we have had a resolution in Janell Matthews case. So maybe
one of these days they will find Evelyn's remains. I know that her kill or killers are likely to cease by now, but I would like to see it remains recovered and given a proper burial and learn conclusive answers of what actually happened here.
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