Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case. July fifth, two thousand, Seabrook, New Hampshire. Curtis Peshan, a forty year old former police officer suffering from multiple sclerosis, is working the graveyard shift as a factory security guard when his car suddenly catches fire. The fire department shows up to handle the situation, but less than two hours after they leave, Curtis inexplicably vanishes
from the premises. Years later, a former factory worker allegedly brags about causing Curtis's disappearance, and even though it is theorized that Curtis was killed after interrupting a theft, there is no evidence to arrest anyone, and no trace of Curtis is ever found. After that, the path went chilly. So today we're going to be covering a missing person's case which was featured in Unsolved Mysteries,
the two thousand disappearance of Curtis Pieshan. This is this tragic story of a man who wanted nothing more than to become a police officer and was successfully following his dream before his life was derailed by multiple sclerosis. Because of his physical imitations, Curtis had to leave the police force and eventually got a job as a security guard at a factory, But while he was in the midst
of working the graveyard shift one night, he vanished without a trace. The circumstances of Curtis's disappearance are very strange, as his car inexplicably caught fire in the middle of a shift a few hours before he went missing. Since Curtis's multiple sclerosis caused him to struggle with depression, there was speculation that the car fire may have been the breaking point which prompted him to go off somewhere and
take his own life. However, as the years have gone by, investigators are now leaning towards the theory that Curtis was the victim of foul play and that one or more of his coworkers from the factory were responsible. As it stands right now, it sounds like this is one of those cases where law enforcement just lacks that one key piece of evidence to make an arrest, so he just disappears. Right if he had completed suicide, don't you think eventually
his body would have been located. I mean this is back in two it's twenty three years. We've seen cases where it takes decades for someone's body to be located. But to me, he would have been discovered if he was someone who had, because of his depression, gone off and ended his own life. Oh yeah, Like he didn't have a car, and he multiple sclerosis, so where was he going to go? Like he couldnot walk a very long distance, So it's kind of ridiculous that this theory was even considered
in the first place. And with multiple scrosis, yes, depression is something that would be a natural consequence of being diagnosed with a disease that takes your physical ability away from you. His dream was taken away from him, but he was still working. That's a big deal. He had a purpose, he was still providing for himself. I just, yeah, it seems kind of erroneous to think, Okay, he's going to be taking his own life because of his car caught on fire. Like, the guy's surviving and thriving
despite a diagnosis, So I just I don't see it. Our story begins in two thousand and our central figure is forty year old Curtis Pashan, Curtis grew up alongside two brothers and a sister, and their father, Nicholas Pischon, worked as a military police investigator. Even though he originally hailed from New Hampshire, Nicholas's job at his family to move around a lot, so Curtis was originally born in Columbus, Georgia, and he would graduate from high school
and attend university in Hawaii. However, ever, since childhood, the only thing Curtis really wanted to do was work in law enforcement, so he would quickly drop out of university and move to New Hampshire to pursue that career, as his father had recently retired and the rest of the Pashon family had moved back there. Since he was still too young to join the police academy, he worked as an emergency dispatcher for two years before joining the army, where
he served as a military police officer in Korea. Following his return to the US, Curtis finally achieved his dream when he was hired as a patrol officer at the Concord Police Department in nineteen eighty four. He would enjoy a successful career until nineteen ninety, when he was diagnosed with multiple tulerosis, a muscular disorder which left him in frequent pain and made it difficult for him to walk.
The disease eventually press to the point that it would be impossible for Curtis to fire his gun accurately, so he was forced to retire from the police force in nineteen ninety four. According to Curtis's family, his personality completely changed as he became very withdrawn and depressed about a situation. While he collected a police pension, Curtis had trouble securing and holding down a steady job, and
he seemed unsure about what to do with his life. He wound up moving into the Highland Inn, a residential hotel in the town of Hampton, and rarely spent much time socializing. Curtis had passed issues with drinking, which caused him to do a stint in rehab during his time with the police force, but his condition would only cause his problems with alcohol to worsen. At one point, he got a job as a security guard, but wound up getting
fired after showing up drunk for one of his shifts. Well, if you think about the police culture in general, they're not all officers but there is a group of officers who handle stress with alcohol, right like any other human being who says like I can handle it with working out, I can handle it with alcohol, I can handle it with time with my family. So in that line of work, I don't think it would be highly crazy to
see a problem with alcohol be intensified. They have programs where if you come forward and say I need help, they help you, which sounds like what happened in this case with Curtis. He actually served time in a rehab and went to rehab while he was still an active police officer. Then you take away that dream of his and his body shutting down on him. I think it's natural to think that depression and darkness would come to somebody when that diagnosis
first comes. It's scary, like how quickly am I going to lose my ability to walk to pick up a cup of coffee? Right, It's a very scary diagnosis. And so he struggles with alcoholism. But again you've already told me he's working now when he goes and vanishes, and so he clearly has the ability to follow pard and pick himself back up. And his family seems to be, you know, involved as well, so I just I don't know. I feel so bad for him because of the diagnosis itself and
the loss of his job. But I'm cheering for Curtis right now, and I don't I do not think suicide is on the path for him. I just think he struggles, and so I think it can make him more vulnerable in certain situations. I feel so bad for Curtis. I really commend him early on for seeking the help that he clearly needed at that point. But for somebody who's struggling with substance use disorder or alcohol use disorder, it can be really, really difficult, especially with a high stress job like being a
police officer. You see it with lots of doctors as well. When you're dealing with life and death and you're a drenal system is just firing on all cylinders all the time. It can lead to burnout and you can just feel like the walls are closing in. And I think people will reach for something, and I think Ashley nailed it. Some people will reach for something which can be like a healthy addiction, whether it be you know, running marathons
or cycling or going to the gym something like that to channel it. But other people will reach for alcohol or drugs, or food, or gambling or sex, and in Curtis's case, it was alcohol. And I think having the rug ripped out from under him, to have that very thing that he always dreamed of doing being a police officer taken away, that had to have
been soul crushing. So I can totally appreciate, and I can empathize with the feeling of wanting to, you know, drink yourself into oblivion or take a substance so that you don't feel that pain of no longer being able to live your dream life. And it's just it's so so sad. But as Ashley said, it sounds like he was able to pick himself back up. So I don't think in this particular case, given what we know so far, that it's the most likely scenario that, oh, his car was set
on fire. He'd had a problem with alcohol in the past, and maybe he was drinking. It obviously set him off, and therefore he went off and ended his own life. That just doesn't seem logical to me. Yeah. By the end of nineteen ninety eight, Curtis was able to pull his act together well enough that he was hired by the reliable Security Guard Agency, and he was given a new job in Seabrook, a small town of approximately
eight thousand people located right next to the New Hampshire, Massachusetts border. Curtis was assigned to work the graveyard shift at a factory for the Venture Corporation, which manufactured plastic parts for automobiles, and the position only entailed limited mobility and did not require him to carry a gun. He would work from nine to thirty pm until five thirty am, and his scheduled shift for July fourth,
two thousand seemed like it was going to be less busy than usual. Under normost circumstances, around one hundred employees would have been working inside the factory during the graveyard shift, but since a number of people were celebrating the fourth of July holiday, this was considered to be a shutdown week, so a skeleton
crew of a w twelve workers were there that night. They said that Curtis appeared to be in good spirits when he arrived for a shift, and at around midnight on July the fifth, the factory security supervisor checked in with Curtis at the guard shack where he was stationed and said that everything seemed normal. However, at one forty two am, Curtis contacted the local fire department and
told them his car was on fire. While he attempted to use a fire extinguisher to put it out, he realized that the flames were too strong, but when the fire department arrived, they managed to douse them. Since the car was parked only eight feet away from the guard shack, the flames wound up singing the walls, but Curtis claimed to have no idea how the fire
started. The department's deputy chief would later say that Curtis appeared to be unusually stoic and calm about the whole situation, but in spite of the loss of
his vehicle, he would continue working his shift after they left. Well, there are people like my husband, for example, when Krud hits the fan and I'm panicking, and he's like, well, it is what it is, ash like it's already done or it's ruined, so just let it be, you know, like there's nothing we can do about it, or than good as we have car insurance, you know, like our brand new truck.
We drove it home and two weeks later got head on collision, right with an uninsured motorist and I'm freaking out and he just it is what it is. It's okay, it's material stuff. So it's possible Curtis had that same attitude, like, well, that sucks right, my car just went up in flames, and it is what it is. I need the money
or this is my job, so I'm going to do this. It is very bizarre how close the car was to the guard check, but it also indicates that not only could Curtis have been responsible for starting the fire, but that anybody else on the lot and in that vicinity could have been responsible as well. Are there cameras at the time in this in this area, I
don't think so. Like I haven't heard anything about cameras being found at the entire factory, because, as we're going to talk about, there are theories that Curtis could have been ordered somewhere on the premises before his body was smuggled out of there. But if that's what happened, it was obviously done in a place without cameras. But nope, they still to this day don't know how the fire started, if it was just a freak accident, or if
it was deliberately set. Is it legal to be an uninsured motorist? Sash, No, but doesn't mean that everyone carries insurance. So these were I think illegal kiddos that live around the corner. And yeah, they were just driving. They were fourteen and fifteen, so that was super fun too. So they were underage, no license, no identification, and no insurance. Oh my god, what did the police do? Nothing? Nothing. It's a big problem around here. So there's not really a whole lot of recourse
they have anyway, So you've got no legal recourse. Well, I guess you could sue them, but yeah for what though, the poor babies don't have it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, sue them for nothing and then it's just a financial trade on everybody involved. Yeah, but you can publicly shame them on this podcast. So that's how dumb kids. And like he said, it was material and everyone was safe, so that's really all that mattered. Easy for them to say because they're not out a brand new vehicle.
Yeah. The security supervisor stopped by to check in on Curtis again at three twenty five am and notice the burned out vehicle, but he thought that Curtis seemed to be all right, but sometime within the next twenty minutes, Curtis would have vanish without a trace. At around three forty five, one of the factory workers noticed that Curtis was not at his station, even though his cigarettes, packed lunch glasses, and contact lunch solution were inside the guard
shack and his car was still parked nearby. Curtis himself was nowhere to be found. By the time the security guard for the next shift arrived to relieve Curtis at five point thirty, he still had not turned up. When a search of the factory failed to find him, the Seabrook Police apartartment were notified and Curtis was officially reported missing. The police would perform their own search of
the factory on the surrounding area, but they also had no success. The last entry in Curtis's log book was written at around two am, after the fire department arrived at the scene. Other than the security supervisor, the last people who could confirm seeing Curtis were a group of workers who'd been taking a break at around three point fifteen and said they saw Curtis walking around the facility, something he didn't do that often because of his MS. Sometime between three
point thirty and three forty five. A night shift foreman also recalled seeing two vehicles speeding out of the factory's driveway, but he didn't get a clear enough look to provide a description, and it was unclear if this had any connection to Curtis's disappearance. Now, I don't find it odd that Curtis was walking around the factory. I mean, especially if he's security and he's worried about something. Also, who knows if that's the only place rust located, like
a little guard check. I wonder if there was a restroom attached to it, or if he would need to walk into the factory to go to the restroom. But when you talk about him going missing, Curtis isn't going to be getting very far. His car is burned out and in the parking lot, and Curtis has a disease that limits his mobility, and he's already struggling to the point where he can't grip his gun. You know, he's struggling
to walk. I mean, his coworkers say, we really didn't see him walking around very much, so you know, he didn't just up and leave on his own and take a hike, you know, going miles to try
to get somewhere. What if those coworkers are lying. What if they're the ones that had something to do with his disappearance and they're just trying to be like, oh, yeah, we saw him at this time, yep, and he was walking around, Because it does seem a little bit suspicious that he wasn't somebody that walked around very often, but yet he was seen doing
that just before he vanished. Yeah. It has never been specified if the who these coworkers were, who who gave this account of seeing him walking by, but it is possible it could have been an act of misdirection to mislead the authorities. Well. When Investigator spoke to Curtis's family, they learned that he expressed his concern to them about possible illegal activity, such as drug deals
taking place in the factory's parking lot. On previous occasions. He told them he feared for his personal safety at his job, and a coworker apparently once threatened to kill Curtis over a parking ticket he had written. Curtis had also claimed that he felt threatened by some Hispanic workers at the factory because he was interested in a Latina woman who worked there. Interestingly enough, nearly four hours before Curtis went missing, a factory employee noticed two cars parked at the extramart
across the street. The vehicles contained some Hispanic individuals and they appeared to be acting rowdy. Since the skeleton crew was working at the factory that night, Curtis was concerned about the fact that he was not going to have any backup. Sure enough, it turned out that a pair of bending machines and a change machine located near the cafeteria where vandalized during Curtis's final shift, and a pad locked door to a union office which was normally used for storage, had
also been kicked in. Investigators weren able to determine who caused this damage or I had had any relation to what happened to Curtis. Well, it's very possible that he's up there while looking at something suspicious that's happening. He is the security guard. He doesn't have any backup, so he notices these rowdy individuals. He goes into the factory, maybe he sees the damage that's done, and what if he ran into the people who were causing the vandalism or
who were up there causing havoc and confronts them and they get angry. It sounds like Curtis is a rule follower and the people up there don't like it, and so they kind of resent his position as the security officer. And so I think there's a lot of scenarios that Curtis could have walked in on something or intervened or done his job and made people so angry at him that they wanted to eliminate his ability to say anything about their behavior. That definitely
would make a lot of sense to me. And theoretically, if a coworker wanted to perform a theft that night, they're thinking themselves, well, it's a small crew here, and the only guard on duty is someone with MSS in limited mobility. This would be the perfect opportunity. And I'd imagine the frustration if, in spite of this, Curtis has still made an attempt to
stop them. According to Curtis's father and Nicholas Poushon, on July third, the day before his final shift, Curtis purchased a nine millimeter gun from him for two hundred dollars. The gun had originally belonged to Curtis, and he had a legal permit to carry it, but due to financial difficulties, he
sold the weapon to his father years earlier. Given Curtis's history of depression, it wasn't long before investigators started exploring the possibility that he bought the gun back because he intended on taking his own life, and perhaps the mysterious car fire was his breaking point. Well, there didn't seem to be any sign of accelerant in or around curtis His vehicle, the insurance investigators concluded that arson had
likely taken place. Curtis had a habit of storing many of his favorite personal possessions inside the vehicle, but most of them wound up being destroyed when the fire took place. This led to speculation that the incident caused Curtis to suffer some sort of mental breakdown, which prompted him to walk away from the factory and shoot himself. However, this theory was discounted when Curtis's gun was located inside his room at the Highland Inn, so he was definitely not carrying it
with him during his final shift. I think there's a lot of problems here. First of all, remember Curtis said he was kind of afraid or kind of worried about people's behavior towards him. So the fact that he asked for his gun back or wanted to buy his gun back from his dad, I think for safety purposes would make sense. He also is living with MS, and he's living alone in a motel, so it may not be the safest
of areas. And when you think about someone with MS, there can be days where you can't get out of bed, and there's days where your symptoms aren't that severe. And so if he is struggling with days where paralysis and inability to move quickly is really affecting him, and he's living in a kind of risky hotel, I think he would want a weapon to say I may not be able to fight them off like I have been trained to do,
but I could shoot somebody who came in here. So I think it makes a lot of sense when you're talking about him trying to get protection for himself either at home or at work. Again, he didn't have his gun that night, and how far was Curtis going to walk off and shoot himself where his body wouldn't be discovered. It just it doesn't make sense to think anything about the gun possession. I don't think yeah, and that's what we're going
to talk about right now. Another issue with this suicide theory, so, in spite of his struggles with MS, Curtis did not give off any signs of being depressed or suicidal at the time he disappeared, as he had been making plans to purchase a new car that week and was looking forward to a family vacation that month. But no matter what Curtis's mental state might have been, the biggest problem with the theory that he wandered away from the factory is
that his condition would have prevented him from walking very far. Even if he had planned on hitchhiking out of the area, it still would have required him to make a long walk from the guard shack to the nearest road. There was no record of any deliveries made to the factory during Curtis's shift, or any company trucks leaving the facility that he could have hitched a ride on.
No taxis were summoned to pick up anyone there that night, and since phone records from Curtis's hotel room showed that the only calls he made prior to his disappearance were to his mother, it seemed unlikely that he called anyone to arrange a ride. Since Curtis was a smoker and his cigarettes were left behind in the guard shack, his family believed that was strong enough evidence to show that
he did not leave of his own volition. Investigators did look into the coworker from the factory whom Curtis claimed had threatened him, but it turned out he had an alibi that night, and he denied that these threats took place. Police also explored the possibility that Curtis's disappearance might have been related to his previous
career as a police officer. During his time with the Concord Police Department, he mostly worked as a street officer who was not involved in violent crime investigations, but he had also supposedly conducted affairs with the wives of at least two of his fellow officers. But in the end, no evidence was found to
suggest this that any relevance to what happened to him. There would be no further activity on Curtis's bank accounts and social Security number, and his disappearance would prove so baffling that it was featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries in October of two thousand and one. Didn't you also say, in addition to the cigarettes, there were things like his glasses and other possessions that were left in
the guard check that he would use on a daily basis. Oh yeah, like his lunch was there, his glasses was there, and also his contact lens solution. Yeah, okay, So for me, it's literally much more logical to think not even that he got picked up by somebody, but that he was patrolling the area because he saw something suspicious or heard something suspicious. He needed to go to the restroom, so he left his position in the guard check, and he goes into the factory, encounters something or someone.
Remember it is a skeleton crew that night. There's no backup, there's not a whole lot of staff there, and so it would have been a good night for anyone who works there to say, hey, guys, I want you to show up tonight and rob the place with me, or help me do this, or you know, we can take the guard down because he's sick, you know, and he got in trouble doing his job. That seems much more logical to me, or that he was targeted by somebody versus
him somehow wandering off. It is kind of weird to watch the Unsolved Mystery segment because it was filmed only about a year after he went missing, before anyone became a suspect in this case, so there's a lot more ambiguity at that time about whether his disappearance could have been voluntary or is suicide. But I do think that police did not do a thorough enough job during the early stages of the investigation and focused way too much on that angle when the answer
to this case might have been right under their noses all along. I just think if he was going to end his own life, wouldn't he go back to the inn which she resided and go and get his gun and then go off somewhere to some desolate area, Like we're to believe that he had this
mental break, and yet somehow some of the wherewithal to what hitchhike. We know that he couldn't walk, we know that he didn't have a vehicle, So it just seems so unlikely and seemed so much more likely the scenario that Ashley just said that these guys, the skeleton crew, where there was only twelve of them, had set up this idea to rob the place, and somehow Curtis got in the way, and he paid for it with his life.
In two thousand and eight, Curtis's family had him declared legally deceased, but a major development would take place in October of that year when a forty year old man named Robert April the third was arrested. April had allegedly grabbed a seventeen year old kid named David Horvitz and threatened to kill his family because
Horwitz's brother owed him thirty dollars. According to Horowitz, April stated, quote, when I see your brother, boy, I'm going to slice his throat and nobody will find his body, just like the missing person from Sebrook. Yeah, that's right. I killed him, and your brother is next, and nobody will find an ounce of blood. I buried him in my yard
and your brother's next. End quote. Well, April just happened to be a former employee with the Venture Corporation and was one of the skeleton crew working the graveyard shift at the factory on the night Curtis disappeared, so it seemed very likely that Curtis was the missing person April was referring to during his threats.
Months later, April would go on trial and Hambiton District Court for the charges of criminal threatening and simple assault, but the judge found him not guilty after David Horwitz were can did his original story on the witness stand, but it would turn out that Horwitz was far from the only person who had supposedly heard April Bragg about his involvement in Curtis's disappearance. Around this time period, the Pashon family would launch their Fine Kirt campaign, putting together a website about
his case at finecurt dot com and offering an anonymous telephone tip line. Well. At one point, they received a call from an anonymous person who claimed they were told by two people that the alleged perpetrator had confessed about Curtis's murder to them. Curtis had supposedly caught this person stealing at the factory, so they responded by beating him to death. Curtis's body was then hidden inside the union office before the perpetrator could smuggle it out of the factory, and the
body was later dismembered before it was buried in the perpetrator's yard. Yep, I'll buy that. I mean, it seems very plausible that you have somebody, especially when you look at the idea that this man who is making threats to people and is saying he killed somebody, is actually working the shift with
Curtis. We know that the factory was very low on staff members that night, there was no backup security, and Curtis was already a hated individual by some of the people who worked there because of his own behavior and because of the way that he executed his position that people didn't like being caught and punished
for what they did wrong. And so if there was a crime going on at the factory that night and Curtis caught them, I could easily see somebody saying, my job, this money, whatever we're gaining from this crime is more important than this man's life. I could easily see that being a plausible explanation. And it's very frustrating to think that April was there all along, and during the first few years of the investigation, they're focusing on the idea
that Curtis walked away somewhere and took his own life. And it would only be like years after the fact when people started coming forward and say saying, hey, you should look at the other employees who were working the graveyard ship that night. So it just seems so frustrating that we have this guy who was there and nobody starts looking at him until two thousand and eight, which is eight years after Curtis originally went missing. In twenty ten, the authority
spent two days excavating a cement slab behind a residence in Seabrook. The property had once belonged to Robert April's brother, who died five years earlier, but even though the new owners gave permission for a search, it failed to turn
up anything around this time period. The investigation was headed by Seabrook Police Lieutenant Mike Gallagher, who publicly expressed his belief that the fir in Curtis's car was started by two factory workers in order to create a diversion while they attempted to use forkliffs to break into the two damaged vending machines and the change machine in order to steal money from them, but at some point Curtis caught them in
the act and was killed for it. While Gallagher believed that Curtis's death was likely an accident and the responsible part, he did not intend to kill him, he also stated quote I think the community knows what happened. Everyone knows that we know the people who did it know that we know they did it. He's a local. I think he stays in his trailer, maybe on a self imposed prison term, so maybe there's a little justice there end quote.
While Robert April is the primary person of interest, Gallagher confirmed that there was at least one other person of interest who was also working the same graveyard shift at the factory that night, but their name has never been released publicly.
However, Gallagher said the main reason an arrest has never been made is because the only evidence against the alleged perpetrator are quote unquote third person accounts, and since most of the tips law enforcement and the Pischon family received have been anonymous, they cannot be used as evidence or probable cause to secure the necessary warrants for a search or an arrest. Even though Curtis's body has never been found, his family has still set up a memorial stone forum at the New
Hampshire St. Veteran Cemetery in Boscowen. The Pichons have also offered a ten thousand dollars reward for information which leads to the recovery of Curtis's body and the arrest and conviction of the responsible party, but after nearly twenty four years, he continues to remain a missing person. So I guess you could say the path went Chili and this pans out so perfectly with what evidence was found.
There was evidence that there had been venning machines that were destroyed. There was other damage to the property, and they knew that that had occurred that evening. I believe the fire being set to distract Curtis. What a genius idea. He needs to sit there and wait for fire the fire department to come. He's got to assess the damage to his own vehicle, and then he
gets back on his post. Was he distracted in that moment and then goes in back into the factory again to go to the restroom or maybe because he hears something or feels something might be wrong inside the factory and he runs into these in a us committing a crime. My only concern is that if they truly beat him to the point where they either accidentally or intentionally killed him, and then they're storing his body in the union room, right, wouldn't there
be physical evidence everywhere? Wouldn't there be blood to the extent that they had beat him to death. I'm guessing maybe that they had the opportunity if there was blood, to clean him up, because you remember that quote that April said when he was threatening David Horbitz, saying that I killed him and your brother's next, and nobody will find an ounce of blood. So that couldn't
lie that he did such a thorough cleanup job. Because there was a skeleton crew there, he might have had some privacy that they never did find anything. But it's also possible that it was missed during the original search because at that point they weren't looking at the possibility of a homicide. They were just
looking at a missing person. If April is indeed the perpetrator, he's a huge idiot who threatens somebody's life by talking about a past crime that they did and then telling them where they buried the body, especially when it's in their own backyard. I do have a feeling that he wasn't actually buried in his
own backyard, because they never actually said that. I like him. They did do a search behind the property belonging to Robert April's brother, but it's not clear to me if they've ever searched any property belonging to April himself, but that maybe because they just don't have a search warrant. But who knows. Maybe he was just like being braggadocious and it's not actually true, and he disposed of Curtis at another location. What was the guy's name in the
Christian smart case who literally did that exact same thing, Paul Flores. And that's a creepy one because I remember that new people moved on to the property after Paul moved out, and they thought they heard a beeping every morning at like three thirty am. And they've suspected that that was the that was Christian's watch, because she always had a watch that had an alarm go off at that particular time. But there has been speculation that they did the body because
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