The Outcast - S2 - Episode 8: Derek 'The Don' Ritchie

Welcome to the Outcast, the podcast from Outlaw Pro, the ultimate angling experience. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's podcast time, so welcome to another episode of the Outcast, the podcast from Outlaw Pro. Now, as we all know, carp fishing is a really quiet, relaxing pastime. It's serendipitous. And actually, he got the wrong ladies and gentlemen there. Anyway, he's given the game away now. I was going to say we've got somebody that brings the epitome of quiet

carp fishing. Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you Mr. Derek Ritchie. So greetings. Greetings. Have you got another tune on there then? What we're playing? Technology and other people. Come on, what's going on there? Don't. I've just got to tell you something before we start. You might need to turn that off. Right. Welcome. All right, let's go. That's gone. All right. I've got to tell you this. You turn around and you say

that about the music. I used to be in our road for the carp society and we had a show with Rob Malin and Rob was a big draw, you know what I mean? And in Essex, it was a buck a region because we used to get up to all crazy things and poor old Johnny Meech, he was the organizer of it all. But I was like the, I introduced everything and done everything. Anyway, I put all this music on. I'm Pink Floyd. And at that time, it shows you how long ago we had it on a tape. Yeah. And I put

it in the machine. Right. And we started the show. Right. And I was waiting to go outside with the boys because, you know, it all happened in the car. You know what I mean? We was out there. I don't know what you mean. I don't know what you mean. I've gone out there and all of a sudden someone's come rushing out to the car and he went, but Malin's doing his thing. Rob Malin wants to walk off. I said, why? He said that Pink Floyd's just started. What happened? It had come to the

end of the CD. Right. And it turned itself over and started playing while he was talking. And because then he turned around and he said to me, are we going down the club or are we going to have my slideshow? And I went, don't worry, Rob. It's all sorted. And that was it. And that was it. Music's been a big part of your life all the way through. I love it. Love it. It has indeed. Look, we normally start this with where are you fishing now? Talk about your fishing. What are you doing?

You've been doing this a long time, mate, haven't you? Yeah. Yeah. I've been fishing, carp fishing since I was 14. And how old are you now? I'm 72 now. 72. And I'm still going now. Still loving it. You know what I mean? You got to. Somebody said to me, if you stop, I've seen people who retire from their job and like 10 years later they're in the ground. So, you know what I mean? And I ain't ready yet. I'm not ready to get into the box. I don't think

they're ready for you either, mate, to be honest. I mean, blimey. It's always lively wherever you are, mate. You've got to enjoy it, haven't you? I grew up with this gentleman as one of the elder figures. So, as a youngster coming through the carp angling ranks. A young buck. That's it. Derek Richie is going to be there. And you knew he was going to be there, or at least you knew he was coming, because you'd hear his van. He had a Citroen Bilingo van back in the day. And you'd hear it

about three miles down the road. 2000 watts backed up with a side woofer. Well, that was important back then, wasn't it? Having a carp car that could carry a kit. But you had huge speakers in your van. I used to take my wife out in it and she'd say, oh, my back hurts, because the subs would be on the back of the seat. And she'd go, hey, can you listen to this SH1T? It's quite easy, really. I think it was you that started off the craze of hearing cars before you see them, with the

old bass boot coming out. Absolutely brilliant. And at the shows as well. If you look at the shows, especially, what's the one now, Five Lakes. When we was over at Five Lakes. No, not Five Lakes, the Essex one. Essex one, yeah. Lee used to say, look, I'll give you a stand and you can do what you want. And I put music on the stand because I had this, as well as having the subs in the car, I had two speakers and they were unbelievable. They were made to listen to good sounds.

And what we did, we did get it in the pot on the stand. And then what happened, because a lot of the store holders used to turn around and go, oh, that's, I've got to put up with him all fucking weekend. You know what I mean? He's at it and it's going, all weekend. And then all of a sudden, I hear on all the stands, they're getting DJs in, they're getting this one in and it's all gone out. You were 20 years ahead of them. Yeah, I was there. I was in it. Spinnin' those tunes.

With Jan Poulter, huh? Yes. What a man. Absolute gem. What a man. Lovely, lovely. I had some beautiful time. Yeah, I've got to tell you this. We was at the big one up at Birmingham and the NEC. Right. And we got the speakers up and everything else. That was where Get It In The Pot originated, where we used to draw the crowds in with the tunes and everything else. Tell everybody what Get It In The Pot is for us, because there'd be people listening that don't know. Get It In The Pot,

I've got this tiny little rod. Pink. And what we got is a round float like this. And we got a lime pot, what your line used to come in on the Boulks Walls. And what we used to do was put it 14 foot away from the lime where you stand and cast out and get it in the pot. Well, at the same time we're dressing them up, we're putting hats on them and glasses and probably giving them a hard time as they're trying to get it in. Because some people took it quite serious.

I had a kid come in one day and he got, because if you get three in the pot, you've got to set a rills and he got to set a twin powers because he's the match anchor. Right. And he got to, he had been practicing all year to come and do this. Right. So anyway, we've done the Get It In The Pot and we're giving that, because they all won prizes at Lyon and you'd get all the drunks who were sitting in the bar coming out and going, oh, that's fucking easy. And then I'd start on them

because I had the microphone and everything else there, Mike. I was running around like Madonna. And anyway, you had this bloke come up and he started, didn't he? And he's going, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's got his mates here and they're all jollied up after being in the pub. So every time he went to shoot, I'll give him a nudge. Right. So he went, no, that's because you put me off. You put me off. And anyway, that was that. Well, when we used to get there in the morning,

we used to put on not so heavy, you know, like a bit of sort of more chilly. Right. So what's happened? Henry's there. Do you remember Henry? Henry Gilby. Yeah. Henry Gilby's there. Right. And he was on the Svensons Fault Stand. Right. Because he was sponsored by them. Right. And at that show, Discovery and Omen Leisure was there. Right. Anyway, they've, Yann Poole was there. I don't think Boss Manor turned up. He still wasn't there. Anyway, we're playing the churns

and this woman from Discovery Omen Leisure comes over and she goes, excuse me. And she went, we went, yes. And Yann Poole, I walked away. And Yann Poole was sorting to her and he's going, no, no, not having that. And while he's turned around and said to this woman, she said, can you turn the music down? Because we're trying to film. We need, we need time to film him and we can't have your music in the background. And Yann Poole was turned around and said to this woman, I can't

do that. He's a really famous DJ. We've flown him in from Ibiza. He's getting paid fortunes to do this. And he went, I'll have to go and see what he says. And I'm in the booth at the back, right. And he won't see any. And he explained to me what was happening. And he said, right, you've got to come out. Like you're absolutely raving, right. Because she wants to turn the music off. So anyway, I come out and she's there with Yann Poole and he went, Derek, come over here. And I went

over and of course he unleashed it on me. And I went, ah, I'm not having this. I've flown in, especially from Ibiza to do this and everything else. I really wanted a laugh. Right. So, and she went, he said, you can see what I'm up against here. He is top DJ. Right. Okay then, you've got five minutes. So he kept looking at his watch and looking over and the woman was watching him keep looking at his watch. And he walked over and he went, that's it. That's it. You got your

five minutes. And she said, no, no, please, please. Anyway, we started the tunes up and that was that. Well, later on they were in, had an interview thing for people to do a program for Discovery. Oh yeah. Do you remember it? Yeah, I remember that. Right. And I went in and when she see me coming, she went, oh no, no chance. Absolutely no chance. Oh, those were the days. Hey, talking about the days, we'll come back to some of your history, but where are you fishing at the

moment? What are you doing at the moment? Well, at the moment, I'm on Monks Pit up in Cambridge here. Yeah. A lot of people have said, you've caught them all, it's time to go. As they do. But two of the biggest ones, all you got to remember is there's four definite fifties, one of them could be 60. Wow. Right. And that's without all the forties and the thirties that are in there. But the thing is, I've had a couple of them, but there's still two more of one.

And they're quite awkward fish to catch. They don't come out very often. Yeah. You know, there's one in there called the peach. That was asked out at 57 pounds. Wow. It's 57 plus. Right. And that hasn't been out since not this January, the January before. Right. Was that a once a year fish then? Or is it? Once, maybe twice if you're lucky. Yeah. Tricky enough, you miss the bus then it's another year, isn't it? But the thing is,

you know, a lot of people talk about weather and everything else. I'll go on the full moon. Yeah. I know for a fact, I've seen on Monks bit, they love a full moon. Right. Right. Over the last couple of years, at my time of life, you're sitting there, you know, you ain't got long left because you're running out of time. Right. And you just want to be where the best and the biggest are. Because I'll get people say to me, Oh, why don't you come down to Malsyndica? You know,

I'm not being horrible. I can't leave those monsters because I don't know how long I'm going to be out of fish for them monsters. But I had a run of fish, which was like two years ago, was absolutely epic in my terms. I started the year I'd have blind, fully scowled ghost. All right. That is unbelievable. It's got like two little sticks. I don't know, must have a good sniffer because it's huge. Right. Because that's last out last year, 4712. Then I had a 4712,

then I had a 44. And that started the run. And what happened, I had a couple of fish out this swim earlier on in this in the in the season, because this was sort of springtime. And I had a couple of hook pulls and I was going, you know, when you're the lead drops, and I run like the clappers, and you're thinking that that hook's going to fall out because they're running so fast with it. And I put a four ounce lead on, so it's got to do the business and slam it in. And I lost a

couple of fish. And then I thought, oh, no, I've got to change some something about here because I'm not because I very rarely lost a fish. You know, every time I got to take I'd land it. Anyway, much better with rigs and everything else. And then somebody went into that swim. I was targeting and everyone was fishing zigs. I was fishing on the bottom and I was getting two or three fish every visit. And I've gone down there, big northerly winds blowing straight down the end

of the lake into the car park. And I thought I could go the other side and get onto my spot from the opposite side of the lake. But this wind was like the undertow was unbelievable. Right. Well, I woke up in the morning and looked out over the over the lake and the wind dropped back quite a bit by then. And when I looked down the shallow end, there's a place called the Point. And I looked and I saw these dunkaroos going. They was, ah, I know, five o'clock in the morning, I just

unzipped because I didn't know who was coming down. And I went and I got in there and Mick that runs the place turns up. He comes in the afternoon. We're standing there. I had a single bleep on my right hand rod. And I said to him, that's one, picked it up, wound down. He come in, I said, oh no, it's one of your stockies. Rolled it all in, slipped it under it. Bloody hell, it's a fish called the Northern India, 41 and a half. And I thought, bloody hell, that's good.

Right. So we put, I put that one back and that's one of the most sought after in there. Quite a few people want, cause it's got some nice scales on it and everything. Anyway, um, about seven o'clock in the evening, I had to take and I had to go out in a boat for that one. Uh, cause it's like where I'm fishing is full of kelp and you never seen anything like kelp. People go, oh weed, kelp is deadly. It grows in strands coming up and it looks like, um, where it grows like cabbages and, and

like it's got these big leaves on it. And it's like really, really rough. Um, anyway, I'm out in the boat and I've netted this one and that was another good fish caught 43 pound. Um, so I'm buzzing, you know what I mean? The tunes are on and I'm banging. Right. So in the end, I went to bed in middle of the night. I've had another take and that's a 36. All right. And I thought, crikey O'Reilly, I'm rocking here. So, um, that was that. And, um, I was over the moon again, that

especially, you know, two forties and a 31 in, in probably six hours. And then, um, I sit, I was, um, sound though in the morning and it was just getting right on night and my left hand rod, I've moved it out into the deeper water. Um, I had a, I just flew off. It went on meltdown. My rod was bouncing up and down as it was, as it was roaring off and I hit it and I just kept thinking, um, don't come off, don't come off. Cause that was like the ones I was getting up the other end.

But what I've done is I've gone off of the rig I was using and I used the noodle on that one. Right. Cause I knew it was clear out there. Uh, and like the yoke hold anyway, I'm playing this fish and, uh, I thought, quote, this is a cracker. And, uh, anyway, um, got it in, um, 45 pound and it was a fish called Felix. All right. And it's quite a desirable fish as well. So I thought, oh, this is brilliant. So anyway, I finished that trip, come back the next week, got in there again

and I had a spot rocking and, uh, I've had, um, a take in the middle of the day. Um, well about 11 o'clock, something like that. And, um, it was a fish that I did my PB with again, cause I caught porky. That was my PB on there, but that died. All right. And, um, I had two misses at 51 12. Um, and I was jumping up and down like lunatic when I got that and the boys come around because it's a nice boys out there. We all have a good crack if you get a big one. Anyway, I did

that and I forgot to tell you that the season before I done my PB common. I had a fish called Juts common at 48 pounds. So I've done a PB common. I've done a PB ghostie. All right. I've done a PB mirror. All right. And he just, I just couldn't believe it. It was just getting better and better. Well, to top it up, I had had nine 40s over the next, uh, bit of time. And, uh, I had, um,

I had another fiscal Gabrielle that was 48 pound poor old things dead now. But, um, that was that, but what happened, I got down there in the winter, uh, and it was on the full moon and you know, I was full moons on there are the nuts. Why do you think that is? It's then big and just go for it. But why? Cause I've, I've speak to loads of people about moon phases and things like this. And some people say, oh yeah, you've got to go on a full moon. Some people say it's a new moon. Some people

say it's halfway between. What is it? In there, they just get off on it. Yeah. You know, is it because it's clear water, do you think, or is it because, you know, they're day feeders or it's, it's, if you look at the water over there, when they're putting the dying, because they put dying and it's like fishing on Southend seafront with a blue sea in front of you. Um, so it's not blue at Southend. I don't know if you've been down there recently. It's like brown and muddy. It's the

wrong type of mud as well. But they just love it. And I sussed this out over that. The thing is when you're fishing and it's happy days, all right. And you're bagging up, your brain's working over time. I don't stop working overtime. People say, oh yeah, he goes down the lake. But I tell you, you ask the boys on Monks, I'll graph for my fish. I don't, although the children's having a good

jolly up, it has to be perfect when we're doing what we're doing. So, um, I've gone down there in the November and, uh, the first thing I wanted the fish, there was a swim in the corner called the swamp. All right. Couldn't get in there. Someone was in there. I thought, right, I'll go in the Christmas trees. Couldn't get in there. Someone was in there. And these people are turning up and I'm watching all my options disappear one by one. Right. And then I get, and then I thought,

right, I'll go in the underpass. That went eight o'clock in the evening. And I just thought, oh no. And I got down there and there's a guy down there, Dan Stacey, spoke to him and he said to me, I've seen a few fish down on the point. And I thought, oh, all right. Then I'll go down on the point. So I got down on the point and what had happened, they'd opened the stockpond up and let all the fish out. So you got all these little ones flying about everywhere. And because it's

winter, you don't mind getting, I don't care. This is a fish. I've caught 60 pound fish out in France, come back and caught a 10 pounder. You know what I mean? It's a bite. It's the bite. For me, it's the bite. I was going to say that because you've been around a very long time. I mean, you know, you were carp fishing in the seventies. Yeah. So you, I'd go as far as to say you're one of the early pioneers, certainly around Essex as well. You were one of the very early pioneers in carp

fishing. What's kept your interest in it for that longer period of time? Because if you think about it, there's not many people that have been carp fishing longer than you. No. Is there? No. Not really. You know where you are. You're absolutely one of our older stage partners. I started carp fishing, I think when I was 12, 13. Yeah. And I went to a place in Raleigh called Popan Smiths to get a fishing rod. And because we weren't that wealthy, the lad down the road, he went in and got Richard

brought a mark for glass because he bought out cane and then he bought out glass. Yeah. All right. And he got a glass carp rod and I wanted one. And my mum said, you can't have one. And I ended up with a Chapman three piece. Yeah. Right. That had a cork handle into there and two sections up. And I use that. And it's weird because people talk about different things about catching on certain baits and everything else. I used to go to Popan Smiths, pay half a crown for a gallon of maggots,

go down this little place called Wright's nursery. It belongs to the Raleigh Angling Club. It's a square hole in the ground. And tip half me bucket down there. And I'd fish with a size 14 little forged hook or the Drenham ones. Yeah. Because they did the yellow ones, the silver ones. No, not silver. Super specialist. Super specialist. Yeah. We used them and a little sunshot clipped on the line. And there was all these bushes that sort of look like that, that go into the water.

You know, the spiky one. Yeah. Them. And they hung over the edge and all you do is just tip it down the edge. And then put two rods either side of the bush with a lump of silver paper and a real on churn. And you'd be sitting there and all of a sudden it'd go, and the old handle would go around. And you had these rubber rests, FGCO rubber rests that were on the front. And what used to happen, when they got old, one of the ears had fallen off and that'd be it. You'd have to go and buy another

one. But they had rubber heads. Didn't have bite alarms. But when I did get a bite alarm, it was like a blue bottle in a jam jar when it used to go off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you got to take. And then sort of from that time, that was Kevin Nash come on to that lake. And and I was 16, I think, by the time Kevin come on. And I'll never forget it. One day he come on

and he got a bite because that a lot of us was using dog food then. Yeah. But and he got a take and he had the rod down and I walked over and said, son, you want to pick that rod up and make it bend not point it at the fish. Let it rod up and the fish come off. And I thought, oh no. And that was the start of a very happy relationship. Well, I don't. And then then he accused me of running over his bike. What was all that about then? Oh, I ain't got clue.

He just don't like me. What can I say? You know, some people like me, some people don't. There's nothing you can do about it. You know. Well, you're definitely a character. Have you found that, you know, through the course of the years? Because again, if you've been car fishing since the 60s, that is the thick end of what 60 years now. I've used potatoes. Yeah. I tell you what I found out about sweet corn and I thought I'd revolutionize car fishing because I knew it worked in my lake.

Yeah. Right. Because what happened, they used to have the matches and because I was a junior, I used to take part in the senior matches. And what happened, the matches were starting and you had, there was a guy called Archie Rand and Cyril Redbond. And Cyril Redbond owned a fish shop. Oh man, he stunk a fish. Right, Parappa stunk a fish. I don't think he had a wash before he come fishing. And you could smell him along the bank. You know what I mean? I used to sit there

with my little mates, Guy Steve Yussie and Guy Barry Itchins. We used to sit there on this lake of one day, Steve Yussie, he come down the lake and you know them, the old bedchairs that you had? Yeah. The old Argos ones. Yeah. He had one of them. Right. And he sat up in the swim just along from me and he was sitting there and he had a wasp nest right beside him. And he's gone, oh these bloody wasps. And he's shouting and hollering and all of a sudden the front leg went

and it launched him into the lake. It was like he was on the launch pad. And he just went straight down the bank and he was in there. Oh, it was so funny. Oh dear. And you remember the FGCode Boxing? One day Barry Itchins was walking on the lake and he walked down, went past the pad swim and fell in with his tackle box. With his box on. With his box on his shoulder. And me and Steve were just standing there absolutely f***ing ourselves. You know, like we're 14, 15 years old.

Yeah. Having done this for such a long period of time, what do you think is the most unusual bait that you've caught on? Let's do a few history things now. So what's the weirdest thing you've caught on? The weirdest thing? I've used cockles. Yeah. But the only trouble you get is belated nills when you use them. Yeah. But, oh I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, when I was over Lake Meadows I was using like jelly tots. Yes. And I caught quite a few on them. But the only thing

was they just disappeared, didn't they? Yeah, they just smelt with the sugar, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. So let's look back again. Let me tell you one thing about you saying about catching things. I went after the assets cart record. I was out in Israel, come back from Israel with my missus and we were living with them in North and I'd be great with them and I left. I said my missus, I'm leaving them, we split up. Right. And I went straight into work because I had a job working

nights. I said, you can poke this where the sun don't shine. And it was a place in Eastwood where I live. And I went straight up to Camping in General and I bought a big canvas sheet. All right. I had a nice bed and I had a clube of carpets in Jim Gibbonson, and four tents. All right. So I've gone down to a place called Doggits. Yeah. All right. And I'm camping, I'm there. All right. You're now homeless. Yeah. Living under a canvas. Yeah. Living on an island. Get it right. On an

island. Because what had happened a couple of weeks before, I had a 28 pound common out there, which was huge. When was this? 1976. Right. Yeah. All right. And because I'd had that, I'd seen this other one and like my mind, I got the mist. I got the, you know, the gray mist come and that was it. I just wanted to go carp fishing. I don't care about anything else. I just want to go carp fishing. And I kept thinking, I'd see people like Rod Hutchinson in the paper and think,

he goes all the time. That's what I want to do. I want to go fishing all the time. Anyway, I've gone down there and I've gotten the island and I'm there. I had another fish, a 22 pound common, and I was using sweet corn. I was using it like it was going out of fashion. I must have used 50, 60 tins. It was running there like that, bloody monsters. And they kept picking the corn up all the time. So anyway, it's come. The day's come. Two kids came down on the Sunday

and they turned around and said to me, we see you tomorrow. I said, no, you won't. I'm going to catch it today. And they went, oh yeah. And I said, yeah. And they bought me a Sunday lunch. Their mum had said, the poor, the poor homeless bloke on the island. And there you go. So she's given it to me. And I've had that. And anyway, in that afternoon, I watched it go around the lake. And then the water was only about that deep. And it's scary because you've got these big

fish in there and the water's, because it's 76 a year in a drought. And year of the killer ladybirds because they used to bite you. Anyway, it's come. I've watched it go round and round and round. And then all of a sudden it started bubbling up. And then my bit of silver paper's gone really slow. There you go. Got it in. 36 pound common. Well, I phoned Jimmy from Jimmy's Lake and he come and got it. Cause I said to him, this is a joke that's going to dry out the lake soon.

And he took it away. So I held my hands up. I moved it. But it was something then, if you know now, what you knew then, you wouldn't be moving them about. But the chances are, like you say, 76, if it was only a couple of feet deep then anyway, there is a good chance it wouldn't be it. Well, and then what happened, I went over to Kent and fished with Archie. Archie was over there. And I walked on and I saw him in the carp angling circles. They knew I'd moved that fish and there

were some good vibes going around. But I sat there with Rod and I said to him, the only trouble in this world, I get a problem getting my sweet corn out. And he turned around and he goes, here I can give me a cut of bolt. I lost that cut of bolt about two years later. And it was, I was gutted that I'd lost it because I could get baits out quite a long way. And

he introduced me to Black Eyed Beans. And he said to me, I want to go and fish Brooklyn's, but I can't because I get too many people around me down there and I don't like it. That Johnson, he was out on the island. So yeah, we're waiters to get out to him. And he explained to me about the Black Eyes and it was at the same time as he had told the Gibbonsons. Anyway, I've come back to Essex. I've scoured all the shops, all the Indian shops,

shops, because he said to me as well, kidneys. So I'm looking for bags of Black Eyes and bags of kidneys. And I've got all this tomato soup as well because he said to me, put it in the soup and I'll go boy, you'll be rocking. So I've done all that, gone back home, got all the food and gone over to Brooklyn's. I've started piling these Black Eyed Beans and didn't catch nothing. And I kept seeing them. In the Slaughterhouse swim, there's a bar runs off the end of it and I see

them off of there. Well, you've got to remember is I'm only using £8 an iron. I'm using £8 seal cast, right? Because I thought they could see it. I thought they could see the iron and they wouldn't pick it up because they could see all these things. We just keep thinking because you don't know. Anyway, I moved and that evening I went down the back of the Slaughterhouse Bay

because people used to feed ducks and there was a bread called Mother's Pride. And you see all these Mother's Pride bags all floating around in the edge where people, where they've fed all the ducks all day and the ducks couldn't be tossed to eat the bread anymore and they just leave here. And it all blow into the corner and when it got dark all you could hear was

these carp slurping away at it. You know, that's where Cloopers is in the corner having it. So I went down there and then nicked a couple of fish out of there and then I'd already freighted up with these Black Eyed Beans because that's what he told me to do. It's two blokes from South End on the other side and all the people was all fishing towards these pads in the corner and where they're

fishing towards these pads all you can see is ledgered crust on the surface. And every so often a seagull will come down and go whack and nick it and you see them running to their rods. And I'd like to see them. There must have been, I don't know, six, eight floating crusts out there all anchored out there and I've got him in these Black Eyes. Well it started to rock. A young lad come down and see me and I was trying not to let people see what I was doing

because it was all secret squirrels, weren't it? And I've got these buckets of beans. I've got this twin burner with two saucepans on it boiling up these Black Eyed Beans. I've got soup everywhere and I'm doing it under umbrella so people walking past can't see what I'm doing. Anyway the guys from South End, they come round and caught me red handed with me Black Eyed Beans and they went oh yeah and I went hands up. Anyway they come back and went to a place like Meadows.

Right, which is just around the corner from here and freighted it up. Anyway I finished up on there. I had over 100 takes and I went to see Lee Jackson. That was the first time I met Lee and I said to him caught I've had a right old palaver over there. I said I keep getting cut off. Anyway I'd had I reckon 100 takes in about two weeks. And I had them rocking. The little lad I said to him who

come round I said you can use one rod. You can't use any more one rod. Anyway we're sitting there and I'd had a take on my left hand rod and my silver paper spun round jammed up in the butt ring and the rod went. Yeah it was gone and I could see it in the moonlight. I came across the eye and I'm kicking his bed to it going get up get up. I'm just I'm just my rod's gone. It's gone in. So I wound one of my rods in, cast it out and got it back in. Anyway I caught the fish and I think

it was a 17 pounder. But somebody said to me every time you get a bite in there you've got one in three chance of a 20. And I didn't get any. I just got I must have had 60 fish and I didn't get 120 out of it. And that was you know. That's down to bait do you think? Well I just think it's I was just unlucky. Right. You know. Anyway I come back from there and them guys who had baited like

meadows with the black-eyed bees I went over there and started emptying that. All right. Then I moved from there to aquatels and when I was on aquatels I went back to Corn on aquatels and I'd cut a nice fish out of aquatels. Yeah. And then I moved down to somewhere else where I use kidneys but they didn't say. Now what's good are they? I've got so. You ever use chickpeas? Pardon? You ever use chickpeas? Oh I don't. Because they were good. Well Lake Meadows

all right they um I went back there a few years later. I was a carpet fitter then and I had my brother with me. And what happened? Observing. You've got to observe you know. So we gone down there and I've seen this bloke put luncheon mate on, cost it out about four or five odd licks and go bigger. A bigger. Well at the time on Lake Meadows everyone said chickpeas are blown. Yeah. All right. And I watched people baking up and because you didn't have spombs and you had

spods and things but um you know the gardener ones that sort of just started. Yeah. All right. I was watching and when the people was putting their spombs out there was all spods filled down the edge. Yeah. And right and what I used to do was I used to turn up on a Sunday and I'd say to my brother do not cast out all right until it gets dark. Yeah. All right. Because all he was doing was flicking it on the spods bit. Yeah. And then just put in one patchful of uh chickpeas

around it. Yeah. And we just slaughtered it. And at that time I was I'd gone from the tins of soup to cuppa soups. Yeah. All right. But the only problem I had was uh the cuppa soups when you uh when you put them in with the black-eyed beans and you're baking up you get it all over you and what happens you get hold of your reel and go cast out and you put it all over your reel. Yeah. And it was stripping the paint off of my reels because I was putting so much soup in with them

and knocking them up. Yeah. It's amazing some of the old methods like some of them have come back around again you know a lot of people are on sweetcorn again now. Yeah. You know it's like oh yeah people the younger generation anglers sometimes looking at these guys now using sweetcorn thinking it's a new edge. Yeah. You know it's probably one of the oldest edges out there isn't it? Yeah. It's

everything cyclical. What um thinking about inventions and things like that what what have you seen that's come through again that that you saw ages ago that people are reinventing now? Do you know one on the let me just tell you all right when I was on the manor all right um we baited that up and uh I used probably I well I don't know I think that was 1994 when the

combi rig come out. I was at County Anglin and um main line used to main link. Yeah. Right and what me and my mate Lenny uh we made court ball pop-ups because uh the main line pop-ups wouldn't stay up we called them pop downs not pop-ups. Yeah. So we did them with cork balls you know obviously that's

changed now because it's so bloody boring you need a frown. It's the other way now. Just to throw the pop-up down um anyway um with the uh cork balls and the it's an observation all right we made these strange cork ball pop-ups um and fish with main link which was the braid tied to amnesia with a leader knot and a loop on the end but the only thing that I found was sometimes when you cast them out they tangle. Yeah. Right and it wasn't until a bit later that I realized that when you're using

stockings PVA stocking. Yeah. Not wearing them um PVA stockings um you you can stop the tangle by putting the bag on. Yeah. Simple as but you didn't know then you know I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know it was only the companies because I was with Gardner right then and Gardner used I used their solid bags and everything else from Gardner. Yeah. Um before well that was was his home Saddam

Hussein time weren't it? Yeah that was 90 wasn't it? I was I remember doing the feature. Bagged that bunker buster. Yeah see it in that big bunker buster. Yeah. I couldn't lift it up my rod wouldn't bloody use it. Like they're so effective you don't see anyone doing it now they all want to get small ones casting as far as you can but literally you know it's all bunker buster. I'll tell you I'll tell you

well when you when you talk about that though. Yeah. I did a little tweak the other day. Yeah. All right because everybody knows I like fishing big whopper bags. Yeah. And um a couple of times I've been done. Yeah. On them big bags so what I did last week I put one on the size of a golf ball. Right. All right. Yeah. And got taken straight away you know it didn't do me on that because I think sometimes when you put them big bags out. Yeah. They're not singling like they are a small one small

mouthful. Yeah. All right and when they come in on that big bag they're going but when they see that with your little lollipop sitting there they just go straight onto it. Yeah. Yeah. Now that's it. And you know things things like that. What's the biggest edge you think you've ever seen? The biggest edge I think I can't say years in my life. Right. Right. Blimey. You know because I couldn't believe it you know

in the when the grains come out it was like a wand. Yeah. Yeah. Because I said to Kev I went to places where there was breeding tension I went oh can't we do something about this bait. I said he said no everything wants to eat it. Everything eats it. And that's it. It was when I saw that when when because what happened I was with a group of guys called Mission Baits. My mate Carball was

making them and everything else and it was all fishmeal. And you know we were using well what happened Johnny Meacham I was going to Waverley Valley to fish and when I was on the when I was on going round there I went round to John's and he had all these Rainer's Favors. He had a cupboard full of them. All right. And he went give me one and he went you got you make some boilies out of that. He goes that's peanut and that's what they tore Savvy apart on. All right.

And I said oh right well make some of them. And then I got some of his bottles and I got two of them and put them together and started smelling them and everything. And I found cream soda and passion fruit. So that was the born of creamy passion. Yeah. Right. And that was unbelievable when we felt because we I went up there first time they'd seen it and I caught some of the biggest

fish out of the lake at the time. You know it was it was just mad just mad. And I'd say and then I and then I left there and went to Main Line and when I went to Main Line well the rest is history. Yeah. You can see where they are. But that Grange I took it everywhere and it's just confidence.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Confidence is a huge part isn't it. But look I'd like to talk to you now about some of the fun stuff that you've got up to through the years because like people these days they might not especially the younger guys they might not necessarily know your your long term history how long you've been around fishing since the 70s but they do see this weird fella sitting in a bivvy with a load of flashing lights going on. Well I love my music. Yeah. You know that it all

started on the Manor because we used to have some and I was using cassette then. Yeah. And it was all like cafe de mer but then all of a sudden I got hardcore and I just loved it. You know from my 50th birthday I went over to Amsterdam. Yeah. And obviously I went in a few cafes there and when I was 60 I went to Ibiza to see Tiesto. Yeah. But yeah it's something people can't understand. A lot of people love it but there's some people who don't. So where did the wig and

the flashing lights come from then? Because music is one thing because I remember you back in the day hearing the van coming and the music and like everybody would be just settling down for a nice evening you got your rods on the spots and then suddenly the other side of the lake the tunes had cranked up. Yeah. And it was like some people liked it some people didn't but it was there and everybody lived with it. Let me tell you you just reminded me of something. I was at a fishing down

at Chillum. Yeah. Tim Posey was around the side around the opposite side on the right hand bank as you look up the lake. I was in the car park I was in that and the pump was going we were doing really well. And what happened I've got my van and I pulled it in to behind the swim so it was looking right down the lake and I opened all the doors up on the motor and I thought what's he saying I can't

get no sleep. And Tim Posey at the beginning of it you hear a big fan and it goes anyway Tim Posey sitting with his cloak and he went I didn't realize he was that close to London. He cracked me up when I heard that. Where did the lights come from then when was that the addition? I just I sat him up in a bivvy because in the winter it gets proper lonely you're sitting in

your bivvy so you've got to find something to do. When I run the manor I used to get up and walk around the lake a few times and do one night I did one crazy thing because the M25

yeah the M25 is just over the over the fields. And what happened I got some black bean banks and I do a smiley face and I had a pump up light a petrol light and I put it in the back of it and walk around the other side of the lake and when I looked across all I could see was this big two eyes and a smiley face and I'm 100 percent certain people on the motorway could see that in the field and they're driving along in the pitch black and they see a big smiley face. I did all

sorts of things over there. When a friend of mine Mr Willis and Carbould it's my 25th wedding anniversary right and what happened I got down the lake and they've got a 120 shot repeater firework and they put it in my swim and light it and because they're already there I've come from

work. Mitch Smith was there as well right and he was in the swim just up for me he had a few fireworks anyway Carbould's gone off to his swim and he's crashed out and this is like seven o'clock in the evening eight o'clock in the evening so we got a firework out that was like Saturday night at London Play and we've aimed it over the top of his movie and he's gone and all the lights everything we got around there and he's when we get there he's like this he's got one leg on the bed chair one

leg off the bed chair and I said what you waiting on that Carbould he went what what he was out of it all right anyway he said look the pizza's coming in a minute so he made our way down to the car park Mr Willis has gone in the car see all right and as it's you know like one of them port of cars is with a cage around the top of it and Mitch has got these you know them little rockets that um you get that used to go and they go pop yeah right then you put them in like a

barrow tube he's put it in there Mitch and it's gone over the top of it I went no you got the trajectory all wrong there pull it down a bit and they get hold of it pull it down he's in the car see all right it's hit the screen it's gone and all the smokes coming off of it all right so it's filling the cars here and he's come running out the door all right and he's gone you oh don't it was just mad and them two kept on and on and on at me we want to get the two boats and

we want to tie them up on the uh pump in the middle of the lake and we'll open a bottle of champagne because it's your 25th wedding anniversary no you mustn't there's other people here fishing up i stay in the morning later oh in the night at four o'clock i catch a 25 pounder on my 25th wedding anniversary job done right they turn up in the morning two boats bottle of champagne and uh one of them jamaican woodbines anyway they say off we go right so we go out and i'll put the

tunes on the pump and now Mitch puts his head out and you know how big he is right he puts his head out and he goes what are you doing out there i said we're just having a party and he went what at eight o'clock in the morning and he got what happened i like peanuts all right so they've bought some peanuts bag of peanuts so i'll start eating them and then we start flicking them in the water don't we we're having races see how quickly they go down right so we're having it right they're

going down and la la la and Mitch goes i've got a bait out there anyway i said don't worry about it willis goes i need a pee i said you have to go on the pump he stood on the pump and we pulled the boat away and left him on the pump and he's going come on guys come on guys let me back he said he's getting smaller on it i said whatever you do don't knock the speakers off of the pump and he's standing there and in the end we got to him and then Mitch Smith's got a take

away and we could hear it right and he's run out to his rods and fell flat on his back all right and you know how big he is and it was like it was a shockwave went across the lake because he hit the floor all right and uh what uh one of them mr willis he turned around and he said should we go and give him a hand and i went no don't bother him and he just left it there and let him get on with it well yeah things have changed a lot now these days what do you think of the modern carp

scene oh yes it's just how it's gone i can't believe how much crumpy there is in here every time i look at my picture there's all these fans going hey look at this well it's been like you know there's a lot of fisheries now aren't there's a lot of places to go there's a lot of crump in and oh i tell you what if i if i went fishing and there was crumping like that next to me i don't think i'll be doing much fishing right moving moving very

swiftly on yeah it's it's it's good i think corder um have done really well they've they've brought it to more people like i've got a 89 year old neighbor all right because i live on uh over 55 complex yeah i've got an 89 year she sits and watches it and she loves it and i'll turn around and said so you see that little tommy love yeah i'll talk with him all he knows yeah fair play you as far as entertainment goes you've been right at the forefront of entertainment all the

way through you know pushing things pushing boundaries for a start but some of the shows that you've done like the carp society show oh yeah and and dressing up as don corleone as well and singing you know there's there's been some real highlights oh yeah yeah i remember the first one the first one because i went what would happen i'll say kev i want to do a show and he goes how how much that was all he was interested in how much it was going to cost because we took the

shows on the road we went up to leeds right we've gone to leeds uh andy murray's region yeah right and he used to work at a castle or something it's a hotel chef yeah yeah when he was there and uh we've all gone up it's kev night it's mitch smith there's my mate uh danny larue and a couple of the others and we're all in the motor and we're going up there for a jolly up aren't we and i had that that big uh the amphibian that my mate lem made uh i had that with me

and anyway we turned up at this place and uh when we got there um we had to go to this hall and i said when we got there andy murray didn't know what to expect and and we're in this hall and i'm going right you've got to come over there towards the stage and you've got to come from there over towards the stage right and then what we did to get a fish out and i've got scaffold john with me right and scaffold john has bought a vicar's outfit he's got a vicar's outfit and he's got teeth like

dick hamry all right so what we did we did the show and in the second half we had this all set up so what's happened um i said i want to get come up out of a coffin and he went what and i went yeah i'll come up out of a coffin and we'll have john here going raise the door and raise the door and everything else and uh they were they were doing a thing for a pantomime or something there and so mitch neff got his tools out all right and we went we're we're cold as either here

made a coffin and what we did we got black bib bags and put it put it all around it and then got some tape white tape and put a cross on the side of it all right and uh anyway it was like music like men in black right and um it's it's playing now what you gotta remember is i'm i'm beyond the coffin because the coffin's up here we got it on a couple of trestles and everything and it's all blocked off so people can't see and i'm gonna come up with this uh with the amphibian this massive

great big amphibian right and uh i've got strobe light and i and when i when they he he's scaffold john's standing there like dick emery with the the vicar's outfit going raise the door raise the door and mitch and danny are coming up the aisles all right they've got white shirts black ties black trousers and they're both wearing sunglasses they come up onto the stage and scalf john goes raise the door raise the door and all of a sudden i flick the strobe light on danny can't see where he's

going because he's got the sunglasses on tilts the sunglasses down i'm blinding with the strobes and he falls off the stage oh man it was so funny there's i remember the one uh i think it was luten or it could have been dunstable where you had the wig on with the tim paisley yeah no that that was luten that was luten wasn't it yeah yeah that was luten i don't want to show that was i dancing girls because i said kev he goes allow much i said well i've got um lee housden he's

going to do the sounds and the lights because we had electro strobes and all sort of man and thing when we arrived at the place and where the hall was was right opposite side where they do all the running about in the big hall and they had to get power from uh one side to the other side because we had so much stuff to plug in we had uro scans we had all these different light shows and everything else and all the speakers as well we had these big massive great big subs all right and we had

dancing girls we had everything and it it starts off with a spaceship in here on on the screen and all the banging tunes coming out of it and of course there was a sketch in there called the doctor sketch right and what that was it was um i dressed up as tim posy all right and i've got white shirt and the joggers and the white wig and i go through this door all right and it's got dr sketch on the door and i knock on the door and there's a guy sitting there the doctor and he's

reading um a thing because we talked about the aliens and he's got total cart magazine in his hand and he's reading it and on the front it's got aliens are taking all our fish all right get it on with it on on the front of it and i walk in all right and uh i say this is before i ain't got the wig on and all the gear right i walk in and i go he goes what's the matter derrick and i said i think i'm turning into tim paisley and he goes really he said you got basically us and he picks up that

thing with activate he goes right i want you to take one of these every three hours and uh come back and see me in two weeks so anyway i come back and i've got the wig on and i've got the white t shirt and the black jogger because he always used to pull them up didn't he up here i'd seen the other week in the magazine anyway he's um he's um i've knocked on the door and he's as i say he's got the magazine in his hand and he looks up like this and then looks back and i walk in and he goes

well it looks like the pills are working it looks like the pills are working then and i went lovely smashing gorgeous and as i was saying it i had to walk away because it was it was like it's like i was in the doctor's surgery and it was just i noticed shoes on either it's almost original youtube pranking wasn't it you know you see some of the guys that are out now that are really really popular but you were doing it you know that's probably 25 years ago isn't it before but uh yeah

strange stuff you've you've fished with quite a few celebrities over the years as well we did jeff capes me and you yes mate yeah yeah that was a great time what about the ending we had the three different endings it was you there was two of you said and i said why don't i just kick him in the right now jeff capes has got the biggest hands ever he put them on my head and he was going to cross my head a lot of bloody freedom absolutely huge and i remember shaking his hand my hands

aren't small you know i'm not a small fella anyway and i shook his hand and it was like a five-year-old shaky mind i know i remember something huge and he had trouble with his legs yeah yeah nice fellow i remember he had you sitting on his knee at one stage yeah yeah all good but what about lee bowie then you've had a bit of fun with lee bowie you're a west ham fan oh yeah for a friend i'm always gonna be you've had a few of the west ham there's a lot of carp anglers west ham isn't it yeah and

you know has been all the time all the way through the years been oh i know well what i what was told me by lee all the kids in the uh in the youngins yeah they all know who ladon is and i thought yeah they all could say they used to get total carp total carp was unbelievable yeah it was a funky magazine and some of the people that are conned in coming because you got glen roder yeah he was one us us ah that was sad when he when he passed because um i had him come i i met him

because when i used to run around angling you get all the different people come in like uh steve davis come in uh he was he was so funny he's dry and funny he walked in the shop and i said to him yeah i said you don't see you don't see many gay soccer players do you he goes oh well they don't like it you know off the ground and that's the thing and when i took him fishing he was just so funny we had such a good i have a laugh he has a laugh yeah yeah but so he i'll give him a video

because i went out to see paul lunt in canada and we done the video and i brought it back and i give it to him and he come in the shop he goes and it's about two weeks after i've given it to him and uh he's he's two boys turned around and drove him up the wall all right with this video because they wanted to go yeah all right and he come in he goes i could kill you he goes you give me that video now all they keep about is they want to go they want to go to canada yeah so who else have

you fished him then who you know tell us some of the stories is there any is there any disasters that you've had with people any any absolute complete it's always quite interesting hearing the behind the scenes stories because you know you fish with quite a few people over the year well once his name jeff yeah i took him over avarley before i uh come to you and i'm fishing with uh once he's having the old uh yellow gardener spots oh right all right and i'm saying i'm i'll

sit him right we have to buy up but we have to buy up a range you know he's like he's a monster all right and he said can i have a go at that and i said to him well not really jeff you're a bit heavy-handed you know i mean yeah so he's gone no i can do that give it to him first cast crack off it's gone he just give it so much well are you yeah and i said you don't have to i'm standing there making it look easy as i'm spombing away and he snaps it like a carrot first crack oh don't

don't i'm just trying to think of some of the others so you had a you had a fish off with lee bowie didn't you yeah yeah he went down free now he did yeah that was when we was doing the uh rich tea challenge and what was that was brilliant that was the rich tea challenge was every month would take a reader out or or a person would take me on yeah and i think we had something like uh 13 matches and i lost one yeah i drew one and lost one but it was um um

the he's so competitive all right he really is competitive what happened we got there and because i want him to catch there's a guy in the swim before he's there well called him the ghost yeah because he used to appear in your swim from nowhere and and then he'd be gone you know and what he was doing walking around like they're baiting up the ghost and while he was fighting out i used to watch the coots after he left and they were going we free grub right but he was

he was having quite a few fish out there and i said well you go in there lee and i'll go in the one next door yeah and uh he tried to get one of my fish disqualified because it went through his line all right because i did it with jones armstrong that that feature and uh i said i'm not having that you you leave it out you're not you know anyway um yeah i had three and he had zero yeah and he went out but we we did a picture of us with the bivvy like a goal and he turned around and

said right what we do we count to three and then we can get you saving it and he goes uh i said oh all right then he went three and then that was it he kicked it straight at me so it went in so what's next for derrick richie then you've you've you've been around a long long time you've caught some incredible fish um what's next you obviously your monk's pit you're going to try and count that the bigger the big or the big two that and then i was when i said about that in that

november full moon all right i'd black spot that's a desirable 54 and a half um yeah i was well impressed yeah big fish that big fish impressed with that but there's other things is that there's a lot of things that people didn't realize like when i was still working with the missus i went to the maldeeves and i spent i had 16 goals there i went with the boys to cut to it with kev and all the chaps we had a right little outing out there and in the end my last trip out there

because i found an island out there where i could fish for the sows yeah and uh they were right on the doorstep you go i could sit in a bar and see sailfish jumping out and it was unbelievable trust me i reckon over the period of time i must have had over 100 sailfish well while i was out there when you realize that a majority of them are 100 plus yeah i had them up to about 140 145 is that the most exciting fishing you've done you reckon selfish done done because when i was a kid

i used to i used to do sea fishing as well as the carp fishing yeah i used to go down south in beer and catch mullet and catch bass and mackerel garfish and everything you had a spell trying to catch a big taupe as well didn't you the british record talk you're after yeah that was what a trip i'd i'd spent a lot of time uh going for uh for him off the east coast what happened i went out on a boat mate of mine who was fishing with us um reeled in he had a mackerel yeah uh

and i grabbed it before he had a chance i'll put hook in it put it down on the bottom bang first taupe unbelievable yeah if you see the pictures in my book in my book right um i looked like one of the uh was village people yeah yeah with a little pair of shorts on holding this taupe but then i was i wanted to do it so every every season because the season was so small off of the east coast yeah um that you had approximately a month to break the taupe record

because the record was coming yeah um and i spent a lot a lot of time i started to go to a place in selsey as well because they come earlier there and all i wanted to do was chase taupe because i wasn't carping then i'd sort of gone off and was doing my sea fishing and eventually um what happened i was a carpet fitter i got laid off so i didn't have so much money uh and um i couldn't carry on my knees were shot to pieces and i became an estimator and that obviously that didn't give

me enough money to travel around going to all these places fishing for taupe selsey bill ailing island all down there um so i had one trip one trip left with john rall out of bradwell on the monday the taupe record went to 78 pound right uh it was 78 and a half and it's a carp anglo call it because now it's about 84 now i think something like that and um we went out on the boat there was day potter from penjangling he was the manager there and uh anyway we um we went out it was a

couple of taupe call and it was right i was right on the low if you know i mean because i couldn't do all my taupe fishing because we normally have quite a few trips booked anyway i'm sitting there and i get this little bum bum bum and uh rolly because we're fishing with veal and john rall said to me when that bloke had that big on the other day he said it was a sack that saved a finicky little bite yeah because normally you hit them and they pick them right up and they're

screaming um anyway i wound down into it and hit it and this thing just exploded and ended up a couple hundred yards behind the boat um on the surface it was like as if the lead had been blown off and it was like there on the surface and um bob cox was coming in behind he said bob give us a bit of room we've got a big one out on the top anyway we started i started playing it in got it back to the back to the boat and i was using an abu which had uh two screws on the side of it

and them two screws balanced the spool up one of them had moved and the spool started jamming and it went up past the boat and i say to john rall you better be quick i said because me veal's gonna jam up and as it went past he um leant over the side and picked it up and it was 77 and a half pound wow absolute monster when i had the pictures um of it i could just about lift it up 77 and a half pound i was like this that's the best fish you've ever caught um i've had a lot of big fish

um but i think because of the time that i spent up because i spent 10 years after them yeah yeah you know i mean i didn't do carp fishing i only did carp fishing because there was uh a guy who i know uh bill billy palmer his top pike angler went around his house to fit a carpet in early 90s yeah and he said come pike fishing with me yeah i went pike fishing and then then of course it was i want to go carp fishing again yeah yeah and that was it and sort of in the

early 90s um i was um because i i'd had all the problem with my knees and i got made river london as a carpet estimator what i was doing through that summer i went over to wallace marina and i was catching bass and selling them to the chinese yeah and i was catching five bass an eye over at the marina and have a good size four or five pandas and then what happened mickey tumor um he was in partnership with basil and angling and ganty angling and they had a place at olympus

outdoor world and he said do you want a job and i said yeah so i became the manager olympus outdoor world um and um then i got i was the manager at county angling and then the manager at bentwood angling yeah for all of them and that was our i i i did the carp fish the manner and everything else and got back into it yeah don is back on oh yeah the pike fishing finished yeah yeah although i catch pike from a granddaughter when she wants yeah she likes them yeah because she likes scary

things she's got snakes and things like that let's go around her house it's like a zoo fair play now normally what we like to do is we like our guests to bring us in a present and i believe in that little bag down there you've got us one so what have you bought us something to go on the memorabilia wall we got some brilliant stuff on here it's a roll of toilet paper oh fantastic fantastic oh oh there we go that that's a piece of history that is carp fisher from the carp society

magazine three pounds 70 1999 this yeah right hang on so there is carp society magazine carp fisher from 1999 so what would that be that's 24 years ago with your good self on the front cover i bought that in because it was in my garage and i've had a little clear out in the garage because i think i'm going to be evicted evicted out of it so and as i was looking around i saw that and i just thought well carp fisher from uh what's his name the carp and and tell us or tell

the viewers because obviously i know but tell the viewers which fish that is and why that is such an important creature right well that fish when i was on the manor or they put we come up with a grain spade and we put the grain spade in there we put one and a half tonne poo in the lake in the close season that was when there was close season and at the beginning of that season when i was using the grange i kept getting the smaller fish all right the amphibian had been out this

fish had been out this is called the gut bucket all right and what happened um i changed my style of fishing we was using little ounce and a half running lends and um we were using as i say as i said before the the grange cork bowl pop-ups on the convi big um and what happened um kev got hold of some czechoslovakian pellet all right and this pellet was awful if you put it in the car it'd stink the car out all right so we got some of that and we started lacing some of that in

the lake and the where we turned around and said if you don't go down the pub you don't catch a fish all right well it was true all right because i saw so many people sit on that lake all right and because i was going in and out there all the time i could see how they behave you'd see the fish in the swims where nobody's fishing because there's already bait gone in there from someone who's sat in there and not caught nothing yeah and anyway um what sort of turned it around going up the pub

was the we're in a pub called the prince of wales all right and what we used to do was milky had turned up in the car park we'd all jump in the van all right and go down the pub yeah anyway um um when you got there all right you'd see milky standing there with his pint of beer and he couldn't he couldn't keep his eyes off her knuckles but like she got face like welded fence right and you can't believe it we had like we had lockings in there and everything right and

oh it was so easy because you spray all the bait out in your swim don't put it on the spot just spray it right and get them looking all over it and of course you'd stand in there have a night with and uh once he's out and you can park a bike in them that big and milky was like oh no like long looking at these burning the hole in them anyway yeah and and and then so what happened right we sprayed all this everywhere and doing all that and then they went on the roll johnny

meacham was there and then he liked it because of the pub didn't he because you know he used to love the awesome barge um anyway um we'd come back and of course that that was an edge going down to see the that was the biggest thing ever because you're leaving your swim with all that bait in it all right and uh well see that's it and um anyway from that moment onwards i'll i went on a roll i had a fish called the birthday fish all right and then i caught the amphibian and then

the one i needed for the full set there was one other one the fish called the fighting machine um but this gut bucket that was a scary trip when i had that when i had the gut bucket out i was right down the end of the lake in a swim called mums when my mother and i died i planted a cherry tree there yeah and uh we called that swim mums um and uh anyway i was in mums and then i had um just a brolly and uh what happened uh in that night uh first thing in the morning i slept

all night on a bed chair and i woke up right with a bit of a start and there was a fox there right if you can imagine i nearly put a five egg mix in my pants when i saw this there when i saw this there i just couldn't believe this bloody fox is like there and i went like this and the fox ran off all right and a little bit later on i'm laying here and i couldn't go to sleep then and i'm trying to have a little keffy in the day all right and uh i'm looking i'm looking i'm

thinking i've got to get asleep got to get asleep and all of a sudden the old rod ramped off and uh i get straight in the boat because it all ran the outside of the manor it was full of weed yeah um and what they do is they go up the tunnels and you have to get out over them and get back out of it that was when i had the gut bucket and that was uh 36 and a half there which at the time look 1999 big fish then big big fish that was huge at the time wasn't it front cover valley look

oh yeah brilliant and that was that but that um on that 99 that was when we did that show yeah yeah yeah that show with tim and all that brilliant well look it's been a pleasure having you in uh it's great to go down memory lane we have had a wonderful time thank you ever so much for coming in you're on facebook and youtube and all sorts of places if people want to see you yeah so they can find you where where did we put the book we put the book we put the book here all right so we have

there's a book as well he's into plug the book as well so there is a book out at the moment tell us about the book the book all right it's been out quite a few years now but uh we didn't even talk about hendrix no we didn't put him in the best thing to do is let them read about it yeah so get the book and read about hendrix but hendrix the mighty hendrix let me tell you about that fish that fish loved me five times i caught that did you really yeah i couldn't get out of the way

and in the end i had to leave the syndicate because they were going people going no no he's gonna get you again fed up with school again yeah cracking cracking fish so there is ladies and gentlemen none other than derrick the don richie uh brilliant to have him in we will of course have more guests in the future but from me and everyone here at outlaw pro thank you ever so much for watching listening please do what you normally do click like follow all the other stuff and we'll

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