The OTP: Recapping the 2020 Scouting Combine

that's about the third one I've survived. Uh, you know, at very day. This one was this one was the closest. It was sounded like somebody was landing a seven forty seven on top of my house. You know, I was. I'm in East Nashville. It was destroyed. You know, I'm right in that path. I'm about two blocks from Lachland Table and it was just completely destroyed. I mean, I've still got no I've got no power. Our neighborhood won't have power for a long time. I mean there are rucks.

I mean there's trucks, police, there's it's going to be. It was devastating. I mean it when you are around that stuff and it hits you close, the power that those things and how quick it comes. I had about twenty seconds to find an inside wall, you know, before it before it hit. And then, uh, it was devastating. Now I've got there's a church right across the street from me that's completely blown away. And you know, my structure is still standing. I got things on my truck door.

That's it. I mean, I can. I can live without power for a while. You don't really realize how much you like electricity. I didn't say appreciate, I say like electricity, So you don't have it. Obviously, have a lot of people to think of and to keep in mind. A loss of life, um, loss of structure, loss of you know, convenience in terms. I mean, it hits on so many different levels, and there's some that are considerably more serious

than others. Being inconvenienced is one thing, but uh, losing people you love of and I mean, it's just awful. Not only do we have to keep in mind Davidson County, in Wilson County, but our friends in Putnam County and vastating the great people of the area of Cookeville, Tennessee and our friend Larry Stone who owns Stonecom Radio, their

Titans Radio's godfather himself. And as you're as you're out doing things, as you're giving money, as you're donating your time, as you're donating your resources, don't forget people outside of the immediate Nashville area. You want to help everybody in Nashville, But my goodness, I mean, the Cookville thing is horrendous. It's the deadliest tornado in you in Tennessee history, and they've been keeping records of that for over sixty years now.

It's an e F three maybe EF four there. The Weather Service is doing other surveys of this thing, and the damage path is devastating, I mean, absolutely unbelievable. Well, the reason we're mentioning it on OTPs, we know there are a lot of people who subscribe to the Official Titans podcast who are outside the area who want to help people. There are people outside the country who want to help people. So as you see different ways to help,

and they will continue to come out. Again, keep the people in Nashville in mind, but keep those outside of Nashville in mind too when you when you have a desire to help, because so much of the national publicity is going to be about Nashville. It's a Middle Tennessee thing, not Anae. And it's a it's certainly a big thing in Cookeville too, and we want to remind you of that. Absolutely. We are here to recap the combine and talk about what we saw. Dave McGinnis and Rhet Brian did the

whole thing. Amy Wells and I just basically took a pass. We showed up. I mean, we were there and we were engaging with We bought the T shirt. Yeah, we bought a T shirt like eight a hot dog. But like, we didn't stick around to the fourth quarter. Can I stop both of you right now? Sure, I was with you for the first three days when you were there, you guys were outstanding. Well, you got some tremendous guests, uh, you know there for the for the OTP, I mean

really good stuff. You guys did yeoman's work doing that. I mean, I and so we try hard. I know you didn't we go when we go, We we try hard. You got a legitimate guest and did a nice Yoah, we did an OTP from up there that I thought it was fine. It was very good. Very well received. Thank you for all the nice comments out there about that. It was very fun. All right. So at the combine you see everybody amy everybody. Who was the person you

were most excited to see? Well, the person I was most excited I'm gonna say talk to because I looked at him too, was Daniel Jeremiah. Yeah. He is always such a fun guy to talk to you because he's so knowledgeable and he explains things in a way that you don't feel like you're completely out of the loop. I mean, he talks about these guys like their friends that he has been following for years, and he's so knowledgeable, and he's so gracious to talk with us every year,

and it was really really good to get his insight. Right. This was only your second combine, correct, So you get to see everybody there. Who were you excited to run into? Now? Were we talking players or because the person I wanted to see who did not work out, but we'll do so at his LSU pro day on April third is Claivan Chase Hunt, the pass rusher. Uh. We just wanted to see this dude. I wanted to see him up close. Uh, he has a neck as long as a giraffe. He's

like Merton Hanks at the forty nine Wow. But he's a He's a big, sculpted, tall dude. That is going to be one of the conversations the closer we get to the draft, and as we are here right now, it's fifty days out. But he did not work He did not work out. He's gonna do it at his pro day. But I wanted to go to his podium feed because just to see what kind of dude he is. Loved his confidence. He said, do you want to hire a guy that speaks one language or as multi lingual?

I speak three languages. I can rush the passer, I could drop back in coverage and cover most anybody, and I can defend the run. Those are the three languages. I'm I'm the best pass rusher in this draft. Those are the three languages. Yep, I'm sold. I mean I thought you were going to say, like German, whatever I mean, I'm I would be happy. He didn't study abroad in Lichtensteiner. And all I care about is can can you hit

the quarterback? And he says, I can pass rush, I can drop in coverage, I can defend the ruin I'm like, that's the three tools that I want. Language, and I just I'm fascinated by this guy because I think when you put him in a pass rusher situation and line him up in one position and he can play multiple he's going to excel and do it well. I am fluid in those languages. Coachmack, you know everybody, So how in the world could you say who you were excited

to see? Well, I know everybody, and I saw everybody because I you know, I sat in the in Lucas Oil from four o'clock until eleven o'clock Thursday, Friday and Saturday night and then from two to to six on Sunday, so had a chance to see everybody and in the hallways. And we've already said on ro OTP I was very excited to meet all of the security dogs, because I did. I met every one of them up there. And then I've had several people get ahold of do they would

not let Peter King at the security dog. Here's he wrote about it in his column from the condo. And I've I've heard about that because people have heard our thing. Let me tell you what the last day when I was I was walking through the interview place that they were tearing it down, and one of the security guards was standing at the at the end of it. You know, those were big rooms. It was at the very end, and he was standing there with my friend Bingo, and

I just whistled it. I whistled at being going. He hooked being going. Beg King run sprinting across the whole floors to see me. So and Bingo, beautiful Black Lab had her own credential hanging around her neck. Yeah, so tell Peter King he needs to be coach Mack before he gets in with the guard dogs. This is why coach Mack. I'm calling him the mo, the mayor of everywhere, the mayor of everywhere. Player wise, the guy that I

really really wanted to wanted to see. If we're talking about player wise, I was really really interested to see Tristan Worth's because this guy, to me is probably one of the is oh tackle IOWA. Yeah, but he'll be more than that. Look he's he reminds me. I drafted Leonard Davis number one out of Texas when big was coming out out of Texas, and we played him at tackle. But I said, once somebody moves him into guard, he

will be a perennial pro bowler, which he was. This guy, this guy could play either or and if somebody has the has the wherewithal and the ability on their offensive line to play him at guard, he will be devastating, devastating. Now, rhet which positions were better than you thought they were going to be. I've been sold on anterior defensive linemen as just I like big guys that just you know, are up there in the line of scrimmage and in the trenches. And I didn't think it was quite as

deep as I've initially thought. This is one that I think is better, and I'll give you an example. First of all, there's a couple of guys that really helped themselves in the combine process. One of Ross Blacklock from TCU, big, big, physical guy, Derek Brown is the leader of that group at Auburn. He's gonna be the one that's gonna be taken heat didn't have as great a combine. But there's

Marlon Davidson from Auburn. I'm fascinated by this story of the Davis twins from Nebraska adopted when they were infants. Great story. We'll share that sometime, but Carlos and Khalil Davis ran two of the fastest forty times for big men in the history of the combine of this thing. But a guy who really upped his stock outside of a Javon Kin law is Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma six two three uh four and ran ran a really good forty for that size four seven nine, had a good

three cone drill. But he's a guy, He's a Canadian dude. He was a number one Canadian prospect in twenty fifteen out of Ottawa, Ontario, and he is a guy that is improving his stock and I think he's a first night one Thursday round pick, Thursday night round, first round pick in this deal. And interior defensive line, there's some

guys that can do some stuff here. You know. For me it was the interior linebackers because nobody has talked about these guys, you know, you know, coming through and then just watching them work, you know, I think there's there's more. And of course the Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray, those are the two top guys in this draft coming out. But just looking at some of the numbers while I was watching the linebackers work out, Joe Bocchi from Michigan State.

You know his six one, two hundred and thirty pound linebacker. Twenty six reps on the bench, he ran four sixty seven. That's a space linebacker. That's a guy that can play. Zach Bond from Wisconsin. Where is Zach Bond going to play in the National Football League six two two thirty eight. He made his living at Wisconsin, playing a lot of different places. Twenty four, but he ran four sixty five.

That is a space linebacker. That's that's what's going on in this league, and that that's what you look about. Sean Bradley from Temple six o five two thirty five, not as strong a little bit, but he ran four five one, and so we've seen what had happened when you can develop those space linebackers that can run. And to me, that group had a little Now, there were some of the guys that I wanted to see work out that didn't work out that I know are good

space players just watching them play. But that inside linebacker group, to me, has kind of been looked over in this draft. But there are some guys that can run. A guy named Davion Taylor from Colorado six o four two twenty eight. All right, sounds a lot like some of the guys that rant four or five three. There are some guys that have space ability that will play in the National Football League because you're playing sixty percent of your staffs

in the National Football League in sub packages. Now, let's flip this. Which positions were not as good or as strong as you expected them to be. Interior offensive lineman, centers, and guards. They aren't top flight and you had this suspicion going into this whole thing. I don't think there'll be a guard taken in the first round. Caesar Ruiz of Michigan will probably be the top interior offensive linemen taken, and that'll be probably near the middle of round two.

You know, I thought going in, and I agree with Rett. I mean that to me is that is where as far as you talk about impact players, that's where they aren't. And the other the other spot is tight end. You know, there's not a dominating tight end as there were last year.

You know, coming out of AVA two of them. There are some decent ones, but there are some There are tight ends that have different traits that you're going to have to be able to live without if you want to take a tight end in this draft to make an immediate impact. Mac, what do you think is the strength of this draft just overall wide receivers. I mean, without a doubt, it's wide receivers. I mean, you've got you've got guys that have all types of different ability.

And I was just talking about numbers, and I know we'll talk about speeds here in a little while with these wide receivers, but you you had you had dudes that could run run, you know, and and and you know that people were wondering how that was going to affect the times as far as running running at night, because this is the first time we've done that in prime time in this combined sense. It's been there that there were some fabulous times posted by these wide receivers.

And we'll talk about this too. With the change in the wide receiver drills, you could see some guys and because that's where offenses are going now. But the wide receiver, to me, is the definite strength of this draft. I would say cornerback and running back to go with that. But I'll underline what Coach Max saying about the wide receivers to give you an example of how many talented guys there are. And a guy that improved his stock in this his Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, who measured

it at six four two thirty eight. He ran a four four two forty at that size, nineteen reps at two twenty five, a ten to six broad jump, a forty and a half inch vertical. That is what Coach Max's talking about. We hadn't even talked about the top

flight ones yet, No, we haven't. And just to his point, I mean Denzel Mims from Baylor, I mean, nobody's mentioning him as a top flat guy six three, two hundred and eight pounds, forty three eight you know, fourth or eight to thirty eight and a half inch vertical and went up for our listeners for vertical. When I when we give you vertical and broad jump numbers, and you ask, why is that important? That demonstrates explosiveness And for these

some positions it's extremely more important than others. But the game of football is a game of short, quick burst. I mean, that's what it is. And to his point with Claypool and Denzel Mims ten nine broad jump, I mean at six three, two hundred eight pounds four three eight guys, that's you know, we throw these numbers out like they're nothing. You don't understand how fast four three eight is for a human. I mean that is fast fast at that size. I want to jump to edge rushers.

If that's okay. As a group, did they show up better, worse, or the same as you thought they would at the combine? I thought it was about the same. I thought it was. But I was able to distinguish being at the workouts and watching to kind of reinforce some opinions that I had, because when you talk about edge rushers, you've got to differentiate.

Are you talking about four three edge rushers. Are you talking about sub bass rushers or are you talking about three four edge rushers that also have to be able to play first and second down and convert from going forward to going backwards. Those are the things that you have to you know, so you need to you need to delineate a little bit of what you're talking talking about about edge rushers. And of course we all know what Chase Young is. We didn't see him work, it

doesn't matter. We know what he is. If you turn on ten seconds of tape, you can watch you understand what it is Rhet's guy. Chase On is another one of those guys. But I enjoyed watching your tour Gross Matos work on He didn't run a forty, but watching him work on the floor, he's got that athletic ability. Terrell Lewis from Alabama? Can I go back to Gross made us for a second? Go ahead? After what you saw?

Could he play three four? Yes? Okay, because going in you felt like he might just be a four three edge guy. But you've changed your mind a little bit, Well, not changed my mind. It just because I didn't see him do enough of that stuff on tape. I just wanted to see what you could see. The innate athleticism. I think he could what the combines for. That's exactly what it's for. I mean, you know, and especially you know when I was coaching. You get to go to

school and work him out. You get to work him out positions specific to what you want to do. But my thought is, yes, Terrell Lewis from Alabama. You know's the guy that has fought some injuries there. You know, watching him go through the drills, he was a power guy. I still think he's a power guy who he didn't I saw Curtis Weaver from Boise State. So your answer was that they did about what I thought. There were some guys that you know a lot, like ej Epinessa

from Iowa. Now this is a four to three guy. I mean, he's definitely a four to three guy. He is not a guy you're going to stand up in a three to four outside. He's a power guy. He's not a bendy edge guy, but he is a powerful guy with it. We'll find a place in the first round with four to three teams. And I thought it was about the same as well, although there are some guys that I wanted to see workout in this that are in the next couple of tiers down from the

elite guys. Joshua Ucci from Michigan didn't work out. He had a hamstring he suffered at the Senior Bowl. Bradley and I from Utah as a guy people are talking about, but not as fast or bendy in this thing. When you start showing what he can do in some of the new drills that were introduced this year at the Combine. But I think Coach Max right on this. You know you know who the guys are in this thing. And I think the pass rusher class is probably as represented.

Let me just say this from this from this point though, with eds rushers in the National Football League, so much of that depends on what your scheme is. And it also goes to the point that I made about your staff's ability to develop somebody beyond what you saw them doing collegiately. I want to stay on the defensive side of the ball, and I want to talk about cornerbacks

a little bit. If you're looking for a cornerback with elite speed for coverage, so not just fast, but as coach Max says, fast fast, can you find him in this draft? Rhett, you start, Absolutely you can, because two of the top ten forty times in this combine we're cornerbacks. One of them is Javelin Guidry from Utah and the other is a guy who is a defensive back from Louisiana Tech, Lugarius Sneaed Javelin Gidrey four two nine, Lagarius

sneed four three seven. So yeah, and then coach Max got a slew of guys under four or five to run under four or five five. Again, it's fast, it's fast, fast, And he mentioned he mentioned those two guys, you know, but but you start looking, uh, you go to Javarius Davis from Auburn four three nine. C. J. Henderson, Florida four three nine, Troy Pride, Notre Dame four four Oh Tanner Muse Clemson four four one, Josiah Scott Michigan State four four two. Are you counting these? Amy A. J.

Terrell Clempson really a lot? Four four two, Reggie Robinson Tulsa four four four. Kendall, I mean, I've got just list. I mean, it goes all down the way their speed at corner in this draft. And the reason is we said that this was a high class in wide receivers. That's what's going on offensively in collegiate football. It's what's going on offensively. We just saw a track team win the you know, the Super Bowl Trophy this year, and then these guys are guys that are have to come

in to cover these people. There are a lot of them. So eighteen corners under four to five and some of them world class track speed. Rhett was counting for me. Thanks he rehet is helpful in that way to help. But what we're saying is we're saying you can find a corner of any style, any maker model, so to speak throughout two hundred and fifty plus picks Well and Mac brought up the wide receivers, and I think that we've been talking since the very beginning about how deep

and how strong this wide receiver class is. But when you guys got there, did it live up to the hype? Did that group seeing them work out and perform the drills that we have been anticipating them doing, did they live up to the excitement that you ask there every making model of wide receiver there absolutely, there's there's all the way from Rugs that ran four to eight, all all the way to Juwan Jennings who ran four seven two. That's a pretty big spread of body type and speed type.

But there are a lot of them. And Rehet's got the numbers of the fastest wide receivers, you know, because I sat there and watched every one of them work out. But speed speed steps out at you. Reet's got those numbers, and I'll get the number of wide receivers that were under four five there. So six of the top ten fastest forty times at the combine were wide outs. Henry Ruggs, Alabama four two seven that screams explosion. That's he. That's

an Oakland. That's an Oakland. That's a Lost Vegas Raiders pick. No, it's an Oakland. It's an Al Davis Oakland Raiders pick wide receiver Quez Watkins from Southern Mississippi four three five, Denzel Mims, the aforementioned receiver from Baylor forty three eight, Darnell Mooney from Tulane who is also a kick returner four three eight, Devin Duverney of Texas forty three nine. And then a guy from Liberty that people are talking about that was in a combine and anti Liberty no

Lee movie lou Here. But it is Antonio. I'm sorry. Antonio Gibson is who I was thinking about. I was thinking Antonio Gandy Golden. Never mind Antonio Gibson from Memphis four three nine as well. But there's a ton of guys under four to five. In fact, there's thirteen more. Coach Macas, Yeah, we've already talked about Chase Claypool. You got Tyree Cleveland four four to six out of Florida. Isaiah Coulter from Rhode Island. Rhode Island had three players.

He's a real priest he's a prospect. Look Rhode Island, Rhode Island, the what were they the Rams? They had three prospects at the combine. Think about that, Rhode Island, three prospects. Stephen Gidrey Mississippi State four four seven, John Hyghtower from Boys, Who's an interesting dude. Four for three. Justin Jefferson from LSU. That may have helped himself as much as anybody in this draft at four to four three. We'll talk about him later. Jerry Judy from Alabama. Everybody

knows that name, Judy, Judy Judy. He ran four to four to five. Desmond Patton, Washington State four four eight, Donovan People's Jones Michigan four four eight, Jalen raagor frog that four four seven, I got, Joe Reid, Freddie Swain, Jeff Thomas got it. Nineteen of them under four five. All right, So so here's what we got. We got a lot of fast receivers. I want to talk about Juan Jennings because he from Murphy's Borrow. He played at Tennessee. He ran four seven two. Coach Mac, do you think

that teams were surprised that's what he ran? Or do you think that's about what they expect. Nobody was surprised. Now I'll tell you who wasn't surprised. First and foremost is him, Okay, And he said that in his interview when you if you listen to him, said no, I'm not gonna run good. I don't that's not my game.

And nobody, nobody was surprised. I got a lot of talk about him when I was there because I drafted an Kwan Bowling and everybody, you know, for any receiver that runs over four or five in the draft or over four to six in the draft, the comparison always comes back to, yeah, well an Kwan Bowling ran four seven two and he did, and I drafted him and so and we know when that worked out pretty good, and so we know what kind of you know so, but Jennings knew he wasn't going to run fast. That's

not his game. Nobody cared. That will not alter his stock at all. So the fact that the national media went nuts and basically through a funeral for his chances is completely out the window because of A the tape and B. There's going to be a team or two that is just going to love and want him and they're not worried about a stop. Why Mike Keith, you said that, so, well, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to want him, just like I wanted, you know,

an kuon Bolin, I didn't care. I wanted him. Somebody's gonna have to want him. And when they do, he's drafted. Once he gets in the door of a come of a organization, then it's up to him. All right. So let's move to offensive tackles. So we've we've hit the wide receivers in the corners, and we've talked about how deep there. We've hit the edge rushers, a position that Titans fans are always interested in. Offensive tackles. Dave McGinnis, how many go in the top fifty after what you

saw in Indianapolis? Five? Yeah, yeah, yea yeah yeah. To me, there will be five. You know. If you want the names of him, here's the one that I go go real early. I mean the first fifty picks. McKay Beckton from Louisville, come on, beast, Jedrick Wills from Alabama, Tristan Worse. Watching all these guys work, I mean, it's impressive to watch uh Andrew Thomas from Georgia, Austin Jackson from USC and then there's a next tier right below them that it depends on how much you like them. They might

sneak in there. Lucas Nyang from TCU, Jis Jones from Houston, Isaiah Wilson from Georgia who had a massive offensive line this year. And then a guy that I really liked that is moving up that people. He's much like, if you like him, you're gonna take him and you don't care what anybody else thinks about it is Ezra Cleveland

from Boise State. All Right, running back is the depth that running back what you hope Dave McGinnis, Yes, absolutely it is, and it is and when you and when you watch, when you watch the running backs work, and what I liked is they had some different drills for the running backs this year that are more consistent with what's going on in the National Football League. And there is there is depth from top to bottom, and there's also any flavor that you would want out of the

out of the running backs. Yes, my answer to that is without a doubt. Yes. And let me let me say this, if you're not looking for a premier running back, but you're looking for a complimentary running back as to what the National Football League is going to nowadays. There are these people. So the fact that Clyde Edward Laire ran a four six one forty does that bother you? Not at all? Because his game is not that. His game is between the tackles. His game is a physical game.

He can catch the football. This guy is a chain mover and his competitive nature is off the charts. I like him. That doesn't bother me at all. You know what Reet Brian likes to talk about more than even his daughter. No, that's not true. Almost as much as Gracie. He likes to talk about defensive tackles in the twenty twenty NFL draft, Reet Brian, give me some of the

defensive tackles that you like. Okay, well, ray Quan Williams Michigan State, UH Richard Lawrence Lsu and I mentioned some earlier in this and I go back to Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma, and I mentioned he's six two three or four forty, the Ottawa Madman there. According to esp in Stat's information, Gallimore is just one of three defensive linemen to post a sub four eighty since two thousand and six. Wow, so again top Canadian prospect out of high school in

twenty fifteen before he redshirters freshman year at Oklahoma. I mentioned the Davis twins of Nebraska, Carlos and Khalil good combined workouts by them. Khalil's four seven five forty and Carlos's four eight two forty are the other two top big men speeds in this combine in this thing. A guy that really helped himself in this group that is coming on and this is Malcolm Rose from Texas. He's

a run stopping specialist. He's got the body of a three technique six to two ninety seven, he's four eight four and the forty thirty inch vertical leap for a big guy nine five broad jump in this thing. A guy that didn't help himself that I know we're gonna get to is Derek Brown from Abrange. He's still a the pick of the litters, all right, So let Derek Brown and Brown beast for the Auburn Tigers. Beast didn't have a great combine, Coach Mack, does Derek Brown drop

very much because of his combine? No, No, not at all. There's too much. There's too much evidence on the tape there he does not, and especially when you ask him what to do. And that's and that's kind of the yang and the yang of the combine. And you've got to you've got to trust your eyes, you've got to trust what the film says. And then just and it

wasn't like he was awful. It's just like some of the big when you start, once you get when you get to the combine, sometimes the environment, especially the external environment of the combine is you got to wow somebody with numbers to be a good football player. That could not be further from the truth. This guy's a good football player that won't touch it at all. Quarterbacks get a lot of attention at the NFL Combine. I mean

for good reason. They're important guys. But what was the top combine story and your guy's opinion when it comes to the quarterback group RTT Well, I'm going to go back to an earlier OTP and I think it's too a tongue of Aloa winning the medical combine as he wanted to do. And as we all know in this the medical information that's cultivated out of this and it is gleaned and the interviews are the biggest things that evaluators and coaches and gms get out of this deal.

And his hospital visit there in Indianapolis to check out that hip that had been fractured began at ten am Eastern. It lasted nine more hours. But the thing is the hips all good. He should be back to running and showing off more of those kinds of skills by the time that his pro day rolls around April the ninth, which is timely in this thing because that happens to be about three weeks plus from the NFL Draft. But he won the medical combine in this and he was

a big story that first couple of days. Now, I think people just wanted to see with their own eyes, Jordan Love. You wanted to get in person and talk with him, because there's a lot to work through there. The quarterback from Utah State. Quarterback from Utah State. I think that was that everybody was had that he did all the drills, and you know, I would have loved to have been on an interview with him, you know, just to just to vet that guy and see what

he was. But there were a lot of people talking about him, all right, So as we talk, let's discuss linebackers. Kenneth Murray Oklahoma Patrick Queen Lsu both ran good forty times. But then they pulled hamstrings. Did that Did that hurt either one of us? Well? That bothered me. That bothered me a lot when I was sitting up there with a linebacker group, and I sit with a pretty big linebacker group during those drills. You know that I have for years. You know, some of the faces have gotten younger,

but some of them have stayed the same. And when both of those guys ran and Murray ran a four or five two on us first one, Queen ran a four or five. Oh, and both of us, both of us said, don't run another one. Don't want to run another one. It's just like Isaiah Simmons when he came out and jumped out what he did. Everybody said, don't run another one? Just why? Four? Why? And and both of them did, and they both they both tweaked to ham I mean that bothered me. That will not hurt

their draft stock, but it will probably hurt their school workouts. Okay, And there's gonna be a lot of people in it because both of these guys are legit, I mean legit, and I potential first round pick. Yes, they are, Mike, and I didn't I didn't know. I didn't know what you know Murray. I knew Queen better than I knew Murray because I do that coach to coach show with with you know, Doug Matthews during the year, and it

covers the Southeastern Conference, so I knew about him. I didn't know that much about Murray at Oklahoma and they haven't played defense at Oklahoma in ten years, you know. But but this this guy since the Selman's Yeah, since the Selman's Bosworth, Yeah, but this guy is legit and he is legitimate, and uh, anyway, it bothered me, it won't hurt their dress dog. Now, Mack, you mentioned that Isaiah Simmons ran a four three nine rhet. Do you think that that surprised teams that saw him run that?

I initially said yes, but I'm gonna say maybe, and I'll tell you why, because you remember, this guy was asked to drop back in coverage and play some safety

at Clemson. Let me give you some of the stats in this thing, because he was listed with the linebackers group in this end linebackers, measuring in at six four, He's in the ninety third percentile in height, thirty nine inch vertical leap, ninety second percentile in that eleven foot broad jump, ninety eight percentile, four three nine, the ninety ninth percentile in linebackers. But unlike the aff we're mentioned Kenneth Murray and Queen, he smartly ran a four thirty

nine on that first attempt. Shut it down. Teams will get a further look at him on March the twelfth at Clemson's Pro day. Well, Mac, so where does he play? Is he a safety or is he a linebacker? Where does he fit in the national photo? I think somebody will start him out on the open side as a dropdown guy and then use him everywhere in the sub packages. We've already talked about sub packages being sixty percent of

your defense. Now, I mean what I've seen some beautiful athletes, you know, in thirty five years at the combine, beautiful athlete. This guy whoa, whoa, it's a whoa. I mean when you just see him and you I mean, there are some guys when they come up to the starting gates, you go okay, and then just this guy. I think they'll start him out though, on the open side. But don't think he won't do what he did at Clemson.

He will. He will play, he will drop down, he will match This guy is a perfect for what's going on. This is a perfect tight end matchup guy. You know how you have all those big combat catchers at tight ends, now, I mean, this guy is a perfect matchup. If you're going to go in and play against somebody even that's got a wide receiver, that's a combat catcher that look, you're talking about four, three, nine guys and so he it's not like that he's going to be outrun by

very many receivers. Just squared up and as big and as long as he is, this guy is a beautiful, beautiful chess piece for a defense to use to match up a lot of places. Dabbo Sweeney's defensive staff at Clemson did a great job utilizing this kid. They absolutely did. They absolutely did. You know, Brent Venables, who's their defensive coordinator, I know very well he's a next Kansas State guy.

He does an excellent, excellent job. I've seen his playbook, you know, I know what it is and what he does. He does a lot of things akin to what goes on in the national Football League. This guy whoever gets this chess piece is going to be really happy. And given what Coach Max just talked about, with his freakish athletic ability and measurables and skill set, I think he's the wild card defensive first round player in the draft

that Thursday night. Somebody could take him top five if they just love him so much they don't think they can live without him. Yeah, it's like having a star player, a guy that plays the star position like Minca Fitzpatrick on steroids. Yeah right, not, but not because he wouldn't be playing four games minimum. And I know what you're mean, absolutely as poor choice of words. That's okay, that's pretty good. Actually, it's all right, funny, all right, Coach Mack, a bunch

of new drills at the combine. You like a bunch of the new drills. We can't run through all of them. Give me three of them that you really thought better showcased the players football. I like to do Staley drill. And here's what Staley drill. And here's what I like. You know, do Staley as assistant head coach run game coordinator at Philly. Here here's the thing I liked about

about do Staley's drill. And when you go to school workouts, these are guys that are working out the guys because you understand how school workout goes when you go, you know, the the scouts set it up, but then they turn the individual drills after they've done all their testing, they turn that over to position coaches. There are some guys that just you go to and you know we're gonna

be there. Do Staley that he runs a te He runs a drill he called the T drill, puts two bags together and then puts elongated bag and forms a tea and then then they face him and they do a lot of footwork within that tea, and then they also come off and then evade after a real short stroke, you know, coming out of that, out of that, out of that tea, and what that What that shows you because you've watched inside zone runs, outside zone runs, the

quick decisions back runners have to make and the foot fire that they have to have inside to be able to jump gaps and do those types of things and then evade second levels, you know, coming off not coming off flat. But that's what the t's for. It's it's to make them come off with a little bit of separation. I love the tea drill that he did. I mean that one I really really like. Then then I like the drill Terrell Austen does. Terrell Austen, you know, is

a is a defensive back coach. He's now a senior defensive assistant. And what he does, what is more realistic than just the long flip turns. You know this, you don't ever see, you know what what what he does

with his it's backpedal five break down. He'll at a forty five degree angle catch a ball, then he'll backpedal five open the ninety What you have to do sometimes on out route, sprint to a spot and then and then break down and turn one hundred and eighty degrees because the quarterback now has taken his directional key the other way, and then go and catch it. And I mean he has done that for years, And all the

school workouts that I've gone to I really like. And my favorite of all and I was glad it's a Jim Washburn drill. Jim Washburn drill. Jim Washburn drill, I mean and Jim Washburn anytime that you went to work out a player and Jim Washban was there of the defensive line. You knew you were going to watch a defensive lineman get a quality workout. And it's done with the two hoops that former figure eight when you set them together. And Jim used to do it with you know,

wash used to do it with tennis balls. They did it at the combine with rolled up towels that were wrapped, you know together. But you go and you bend, and what it does. It sees if you can stay in that motorcycle lean for an extended band, but also not just run, but be able to balance and and to pick up that You pick up the towel and take it to the other corner of the or the other side of the circumference you're running, to drop it and then pick up with the alternate hand another one on

the way. It's a great drill. Wash used to do it all the time. I love it. I'm glad they incorporated it there, and I'm glad they gave him a shout out on the network, you know broadcast. This is the Jim Washburn drill. Of course, Daniel Jeremiah knows Jim Washburn because well because he and he and Jeremiah and Jeremiah Washburn worked together at Baltimore in a tremendous scouting department, you know, for Ozzie Newsom. All right, where you've got

to wrap this thing up. We've talked about a lot of stuff, So I want everybody to think about your three players who helped themselves the most at the combine. Mac You've got a notebook to flip through, So I'm gonna start with ratt. Okay, I've got one on offense and two on defense, and I will start with the guy that I think was the story of the big men in Indianapolis, and that's McKay Beckton, the tackle out of Louisville, one of the biggest men in this draft.

Six foot seven, three eights inches, three hundred sixty four pounds, arms thirty five and five eights, wingspan over eighty three inches, twenty three reps at two twenty five. But the most impressive thing he ran a five eleven forty time at three hundred sixty four pounds. To put that in perspective, it's one tenth slower than quarterback Jake from who weighs one hundred forty five pounds less than McKay Beckton. At at his size only seventeen percent body fat, so he

is in pretty dog gone good shape. He was a conversation of the big men of the combine. Coach Mack will say he'll never have to run forty yards, but he could do it if he had to. That's the first. It's the first to give us your other two. Justin Mattabek.

He's the one interior defensive lineman that I have not mentioned in all this and could be a pass right Texas an ax his A and M six two five eight two ninety three wingspan over eighty inches, ran A four eight three forty third among all interior linemen at two ninety three thirty one reps at two twenty five, in the top five with that category of the three hundred and thirty seven that were invited, and had the best three cone drill time, which shows that lateral movement

at seven three one initial reports we're talking about. He didn't have a good first step get off, but he had one point seven four second split in the forty That as a guy that's rising up the charts in this and the last one is a guy and had off field trouble with Mississippi State. He was suspended nine eight games during twenty twenty nineteen, had an altercation right here at the Music City Bowl with his freshman quarterback.

And that's Willie Gay, junior of Mississippi State. Six one and one eights, two forty three hands, an enormous ten and four eight inches wingspan at seventy eight inches. He ran a forty yard dash in four four six, had an eleven foot four inch broad jump, and a thirty nine and a half inch vertical. This is a guy if the interviews went well about whatever happened off the field. Is another linebacker prospect that is rising. Justin Jefferson the LSU.

We've already talked about him going in and I'm looking at my notes here. I got verse to wide receiver skills to play from slot to outside, great route runner, hands, ball skills. But he showed the speed that he has. I don't think anybody thought that he had the speed that he did. I thought he helped himselves. And along that line, I talked about the tight Ends not being a real deep group. I thought two tight ends helped himselves. Albert Okweebinamen from from Missouri. I mean, look, he didn't

have a great year this year. We all know that. But six five, two hundred and fifty pounds, the second fastest guy for a player that size. He ran four four nine. Okay, And so you're talking about a guy that big, that can run that fast. You'll find a place for him. You'll fix him, all right. Missouri had problems besides him. But this guy, this guy helped himself a lot. Another tight end, Joseph of Josiah du Quarra

from since Nattie. This tight end helped himself. He's six two, two hundred and forty two pounds, twenty five bench press thirty five and a half vert four seven two forty. This is a guy that you can split out. People are using so many h backs in twelve personnel right now. He helped himself quite a He helped himself quite a bit. Can we give Mac a round of applause from the names that he just whipped out of there like that.

I came in with my pronunciation chart to say noah igbinogny, and I thought that I was just going to blow you all out of the water. Max over here just ripping these names like he had dinner with him last week. This is not his first round Okay, So we don't have we don't have a typical what's brewing on this edition of the OTP, but I do have a what's brewing for each of you to basically say possible or

not as realistic. I've pulled five five mock drafts post Combine, okay, and I've looked at who they have selected in these mock drafts for the Titans. I want to see what you think, beginning with coach Mack, and then we'll work around. All right, So Amy, you're involved in this too. This is your what's brewing assignment as well? Can I say this? I like is involved? I usually get tricked in this,

No trick. ESPN's Todd McShay says, the Tennessee Titans, with the twenty ninth pick will select Andrew Thomas, offensive tackle Georgia. Coach Mack could that happen? Yes, Amy wells, sure, absolutely it could, all right. NFL Networks Daniel Jeremiah says, with the twenty ninth pick, the Tennessee Titans select Joshua Jones, offensive tackle Houston. No, yes, yes, says coach Mack. The Athletics Dane Brugler says at pick number twenty nine, the

Tennessee Titans select Ezra Cleveland offensive tackle Boise State. You heard that name already, you said it. You heard that name already. H to me, maybe not not there, okay, I'd take it. Not there, lower, not there, okay. So Sports Illustrated puts together their own mock and with the twenty ninth pick, Sports Illustrated says, the Tennessee Titans select Kristen Fulton cornerback lsu Rett Bryant. I could absolutely see that, okay, yes, yes,

I agree to Bleacher Reports. Matt Miller says, with the twenty ninth pick, aim, you're going first here, okay. With the twenty ninth pick, the Tennessee Titans select Jonathan Taylor, running back Wisconsin. No, yes, yes, really, Oh, that guy's a big dude. Yes, this is why we played the game. He read what was his forty at the combine and that's for a dude, a big dude. Now, the only concern I have for him, that's none, that's not mine, And I know what you're gonna say. It is the

wear and tear. He has nine hundred and thirty six carries in this game. But that's what they have, right nearly a thousand carries in college. Guess which game we're gonna keep playing through the rest of the spray. Hey, nah, it's correct. Rhet Brian, how do people follow you on the Twitter machine? At Rhett that's our H E T T. The letter B Tennessee at Rhet B Tennessee. All right, Amy Wells at Titans Amy, AM I E. And Coach mac is on one O four five the Zone our

station in Nashville. How many times a week? Now? Well, Rhet, Now we're on all the day up residence there. We were on all day yesterday with the with the you know, with the tornado, sure, which was But anyway, I'm on there a lot. I'm on I'm on there a lot. I'm on here a lot too. That's good stuff, good good stuff. So thanking Coach Mack and Rhett Brian, Titans Radio's draft duo, and for Amy Wells. Mike Keith says, thanks for being with us for this edition of the O. T. T