The OTP: Draft Roundtable

some of the big draft topics. Recently, I went to a wedding in Florida, and going through the Jacksonville Airport, I saw the murals on the wall of all the current Jags players and the Garner Menshew mural picture whatever. I mean. It is funny because they put so much in the mustache and Garner Menshew and whatever. But here's the thing, Ratt, they needed somebody to hang their hat on.

And as somebody who's worked for an NFL team for twenty three years and having had to go out and sell two and fourteen and three and thirteen and four and twelve, you're hanging your hat on whomever you have. So I don't blame them for wanting to put Gardner Minshew up in the Jacksonville Airport I get it. The fact of the matter is what I'm getting to is Gardner Minshew's coming down pretty quick. Oh yeah, he may turn him into a Gardner. Yes, Gardner Minshew is coming

down and everything. It's gonna be Trevor Lawrence, everything, even the James Robinson's you saw in there, it's down. He is going to be the face of this franchise from the start of their franchise. He now becomes the biggest name they've ever had. Yeah. Ever, and I'm talking about Brunelle and Jimmy Smith and Freddie Taylor and Maurice Jones. Yeah, because they've never had the number one pick to take up and they've never had this kind of dude. Right,

do you think he's ready for that? I think the thing that he may not be ready for is losing. That's the thing I'd be concerned with. Because the young man lost three games in high school and two in college. That's it. Yeah, five losses between high school and college. And then you're going to a place that you come here, come here, you're okay, Well, let me flip it around in a different way for coach. Is it a good thing than that? He has been a prodigy since he

was fourteen years old walking into this situation. Ali Tiger Woods or Peyton Manning or somebody of that ilk Lebron James. You know, you're talking about people who are built this way, who are supposed to be this great, and then because they've been prodigies, maybe they handle it better. Well, he will handle it better. Okay, we'll handle it better. And

here's the other thing that'll happen too. They have positioned themselves because they've been so bad for so long, with so many top draft choices they still have, they will put better people around him. It's gonna be it's gonna be very competitive. Troy Aikman. When Jimmy took Troy Aikman, they went one in fifteen. That first year Troy had been at Oklahoma, he'd been at UCLA, he'd been used to win in a lot of games. They were really bad, really bad, but then they got really good because of him,

and they added people at people around him. So here's what I'm saying. You've got to have that piece in the National Football League. You've got to have that dude, You've got to have a quarterback. Because you've heard me say it before. If you don't have a quarterback. You've got a highly paid rugby team, you've got to have a quarterback, and now they've got him one. Yeah. But here's the thing with the prodigy kind of analogy that Mike was talking about. He's also had a tremendous amount

of consistency to go along with those wins. I mean, he had the same high school coach all the way through, same college coach all the way through. He's walking into an organization now that is experiencing what we'll call a little bit of a transition. I mean, a full new coaching staff. They've got a lot of different moving parts that are moving around. And in the NFL, you don't have that same level of consistency. You don't have guys around you for four years just because you're all the

same age. You don't have coaches staying. Even if you are successful. Coaches change, there's so many things that change. And with all of the expectations that are being put on this young kid, now, is there a chance that he's going to be a little on his left foot for a while. I think it's possible, And you can't just ride on his past record and what he's done before hasn't been great. Yes, he's also been surrounded by a lot of stability that he's not going to have anymore.

I want him on his left foot, it's great points. I want him on his left foot twice a year. I want him on his butt twice a year. I don't want him on either foot. I second all of those things. So we'll talk later this week on the OTP with Frank Frangie, the voice of the Jacksonville Jaguars, to discuss exactly what Trevor Lawrence is going to mean to this franchise. I think that'll be some good conversation.

But right now, I want to talk of receivers. Dave McGinnis, why has Jamar Chase emerged as the number one wide receiver in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. He possesses every trait that you want right now in a receiver. First of all, let's just get to his physical traits. He's a physical dude. Not extremely tall, but he's physical. He's a combat catcher. He's great at the glance in the quick slants that are so prevalent now because he can catch it, he can run through a second level.

He can also take the top off of it. When he needs to, he can get on top of defensive backs. And he's a competitive dude, because most of your catches down the National Football League their combat catches, and you've got to have those kind of guys. He's got all the requisite skills that it takes, and he's produced over a period of time. He is the number one receiver

in my humble opinion, in this draft. And I'll give you some of the numbers to back up what coach Mack is saying, because while his speed isn't Tyreek Hill, he's still pretty quick. It comes down to his play strength. When he's hand fighting with those dbs, he's a bully. He's physical. His run after a catch ability it's impressive. It's a J. Brownlike and he has that long speed, like he said, to take the top off the defense and to go with all that, a sick vertical leap

for those combat catches forty one inches. The contested catches are usually his, and the production is there. Twenty one game started at LSU opted out in twenty twenty twenty three receiving touchdowns. I got a scenario for you, play a little game here. See what the three of you think of this scenario. The Atlanta Falcons are scheduled to pick at number four. Many people think they are going to take Kyle Pitts, the tight end from Florida. Here's

my scenario. Tell me what you think. I say they take Jamar Chase and then they think about making a post June one cut of Julio Jones and saving the money. Well, you think, coach, they could do that. They absolutely could do that. I mean, that's not that's not far fetched, and you know, for real reasons, and they're in they've got money issues. Oh yeah, I mean our good friend Arthur Smith has got money issues down there. They do, that's not far fetched. Mike Keith, I propose another scenario,

two different scenarios. One they take panasul as the tackle to tackle from Oregon to protect Matt Ryan going forward. But the one I think they really do, and the money trouble comes into this is trading down and trading down into the round somewhere in the low twenties before you get to the Titans, but certainly before you get to the Pittsburgh Steelers at twenty four. And you if you're Arthur Smith and you can talk Terry Fontno into

doing this. You get yourself a guy like Naja Harris to duplicate some of what you've done here as an offensive coordinator with Derek Henry as a running back in this thing, because you don't have a runner. You need a running back in this thing. You still have some receivers, but you need a running back. I think that your scenario with the Falcons going after Jamar Chase makes a ton of sense because of the financial component and the

Julio Jones think they were not happy with him last year. Yeah, it was not not happy with how he handled twenty twenty. So just a theory. Are you you're the next scenario question? All right? For the draft duo Ratt, We're starting with you. Who are your three three favorite edge rushers. I'm gonna give you guys that are I think value picks on down. I'm not talking first round here, and there's some guys

I really like. One of them who is going to be a name that'll be called early on night two on Friday Night in the second round is Carlos Boogie Basham from Wake Forest. Boogie fifteen quarterback sacks, seven force fumbles over his last two years at Wake Forest. He

has explosion measurables in this thing. He ran a four six four forty at his pro day at two hundred and seventy four pounds, and the reason I bring that up since the year two thousand, defensive lineman weighing more than two hundred and seventy pounds and running a sub four seventy forty include Miles Garrett, Everson Griffin, justin Houston, Mario Williams, and the best defender in the game, Aaron Donald. Well, those are good players. So he's number one. Give us

two more. Peyton Turner. He's in treeing prospect out of Houston, and this is young man. He put on weight a year ago to try to take on a role as a bigger defensive lineman. Too sluggish, too much, dropped down to two seventy, and he is an enormous human being. At six to five, has an eighty five inch wingspan, thirty five and a half inch vertical leap. Did an impressive six point seven seconds in his three cone drill twenty three reps at two twenty five, showing explosion and

short area quickness. He's developmental, but he is an athlete big time and the last one is a young man from Lifonia, Georgia like Kevin Bayard. And this man is Jordan Smith a B. And he was one of the guys that got in trouble in Florida, committed there and had a credit card scandal fraud deal, went to Butler Community College in Kansas and tore it up there, then transferred to U A B. Four forced fumbles in fourteen games, thirteen starts, First team all. I mean, he's just gotten

numbers all over the place. Good motor, good burst. He could stand to add some functional strength in his lowers because he has a huge guy at six six, two hundred and fifty whatever pounds. I like all three of those guys, but Carlos Boogie Basham leads the way. Mac the most pure pass rusher. Now again, I'm not talking about anything off the field. I'm not talking about medicals. I'm not drafting players any more. I'm just watching traits

on film. Okay, okay. Jalen Phillips, he's a complete pass rusher. He's got counter moves, he understands how to set people up. He can he can rush the passer. If you're asking me who can rush the passer in this draft, just pure pass rusher. I like Jalen Phillips. Now, was he the young man who started at use in La and then transferred to Miame of Florida. Yes, okay, yes, and so he's got other issues. But as I said, I'm not involved in issues. I'm just involved in traits. Go

hit the quarterback, yeah, and that okay. I like Joe Tryon from Washington. This is a bigger guy six five, two hundred and sixty one pounds. Now, he needs technical work, but he has got size coming off the edge, and

he can go speed to power. He's got some bend to him, but he can also I think once he'd learned, and I say technical work, he needs to learn how to how to you know, how to how to step, how to come off lower, all of those things that are that are real, you know, either learned traits or they're taught traits. But I like what he brings. Here's a guy that's not big but that just knows how to go get the quarterback. Is from Georgia. I just like the way he plays. He plays with a lot

of motor. He's not tall, but he plays long. He's got a good reach, he's got long reach and he understands you know how to go, how to go get to a spot. And so those are three They're entirely three, entirely different guys, but those are the three l I want to ask a question about the three cone drill, because as we hear bench press, forty yard dash, all the different the vertical jump, the broad jump, all that stuff.

As I've talked to football people and tried to learn things over the year, the three cone drill is the one that has consistently been something that has pointed out to me as maybe the most telling test of athleticism. Coach mac, what is the three cone drill? Where did it come from? And why is it so important in evaluating athleticism. First of all, the three co drill, the cones are set up and you've got to go around a series of three cones. You cannot touch the cones.

And I'm gonna go back and say, we know who started it. It was c Obra cop long time oilers, Tight and Scout. You know, one of a really dear friend of all of us, really good friend of mine. Knew him for years. God bless rest his soul. But what it does, first of all, you hear me all the time talk about that that gumby bend. Can you bend? Can you bend? Off the inside? And it shows you that.

Now this is for all positions, shows lower body flex. Okay, it also it also shows balance and then if you if if they set it up and run it correctly, c O used to get I've been to I can't count the number of pro days I've been to a CEO at different colleges. And if they had the three cone drills set up with cones that were too tall. He didn't like those little baby cones that look like the pup cup that you get when you go through

Starbucks right now, he didn't didn't like that. And okay, they had to be they had to be the medium sized cone because the bigger cones, okay, because if you touch the cone, then the drill started over, all right, So he wanted the medium sized cones. And then he wanted them he wanted them set up, you know, in a precise manner so that you were running not only ninety degree angles, you were running forty five degree turns there.

And there's a lot to it and what it shows you is and a good measure for it a skilled guy. If you've got a skilled guy that's running under seven seconds on the three cone, you got a dude. It doesn't mean he can play football, but at least you've got to do this. Got some lower body flex and can can change directions and can also stay in continuous motion. The game of football is a real short burst game. It's a short burst game, but it's got to be

short burst in continuous motion. You don't start stop a lot in football, you just don't you know, you start stopping basketball, you stop a lot in baseball, you don't. You know. Football, Once you get an explosive movement, then you've got to keep continually moving. And it's a lower body game. What you surety? I mean, got these mister Americas out there and they can't play dead on the

football field. And he got some dudes who I mean, you see those guys with those lower bodies, and you I mean, you'd like to see the athletic upper body guys too. Don't get me wrong, but it's a game of legs. Well, because it's again it's a short burst game, right, it's a it's a game of leverage, and it's a game of flexibility. You know, it's what it is. And then it's a game of when you get in space, not only in space. I mean we could go over this forever, but it's a game of length. It's a

game of length. I mean you've got to have you got to have length as a defensive front player to be able to separate because you got to get off quick and then be able to move. You need length on the edges offensively, and then you need length to be able to win one on one downfield. So that's the three cone drill. But c O Brocado, who in my mind should be in the Hall of Fame for what he did for scouting in the National Football League,

that was his drill. But he if you ever went to a school workout with Ceo, you did not touch the three cone drill because he would dog cush you. In a second, yes he wouldn't. Yeah, And so that's the three cone drill. Who is the player that is going to go higher in this draft. Then he is currently being projected in mock drafts in the days leading up to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Zaven Collins from Tulsa, who the more you look at him, I mean, here's here's a kid that is even bigger now. I

think his last day was two seventy. He was two fifty at Tulsa. But this is a space athlete. We talk about space athletes, we talk about guys that have those those movement numbers. He's from Hominy, Oklahoma. So anybody here could pinpoint Hominy on a map. I'll give you five hundred dollar right now, and it's clear up in the northern part by eleven people in town. There'll be ten when he leaves. But this guy, this guy is

an athlete. He is an athlete, and he is he's in today's football what you need because at that type of weight, I mean, he can play on the edge in a three four, you can move him around. I mean he is a he is a lot like if you want to stand him up behind the line, Tremaine Edmonds. He's like six nine, he's got a wingspan, but he can play in space, right, he can play in space.

But he's got the physical size and length. And because he played at Tulsa, which you know, you know, not any disrespect to the Golden Hurricanes, but it's not a

power of five school. And so what who he's played against now he's had some nice games against some Power of five schools, but I think that the more we get to it, and again, I you know, I've talked several you know, people involved in draft rooms, and I don't ask him specific questions because it's not fair because I wouldn't tell him if I was met doing that. So I know better than what to not ask. But the talk around him is and when you just start

looking at him and what the game is today. Defensively, he's a nice piece rat. I'm gonna give you three guys that are moving up the board, and not necessarily on nine one, but one is Javonte Williams, the power running back from North Carolina. I think he's the third running back taken in this draft. And I don't you know, some mocks even show him, you know, bottom of the

first round. Don't know that that happens. But he is a low, built to the ground, solid rock dude five nine, two hundred and twelve pounds who is a power rusher in this thing. Okay. The other is a guy who has an interesting story. He's a Louisiana native. He originally committed to LSU, got in trouble there, transferred to Kentucky, had one year as a starter, and that's Kelvin Joseph at cornerback. And this guy had an incredible Pro Day

and has production in the one year. There are some scouts that think he has a first round grade had he not had the off field issues in this thing.

He's a guy that's gonna rise on night too. And then the third one is an obvious one, and that's Davis Mills, the quarterback from Stanford, and Davis is a season and a half starters, a bad knee that I don't know about the medicals on this thing, but he's a Georgian native who played at Stanford, and he starts the next tier of quarterbacks after the five that we think will be taken in the first round. All Right, Rhett seems to know the depth of this draft really well.

So let me give you another one. If we're assuming Patrick certain is the first cornerback to come off of the board, who do we think is the second? Right? I think if you're asking coach Mack the same question, he and I are going to have the same answer, and that would be JC Horn from South Carolina. He is just a shade over six feet two hundred and five pounds. All of his measurables, including a forty one and a half inch vertical and a broad jump of eleven plus feet at his pro day, are in the

ninety sixth percentile of cornerbacks in draft evaluation. Big physical, long guy, thirty three inch long arms, who is just a super physical guy. Like a lot of young corners coming out. He's a bit two, sticky and grabby. I think he's got some things to work on that. But if Sir Tan is gone and I'm a team that wants a next cornerback, it's Jac Horn from South Carolina. Yes, I mean that, what's true? I mean it is now. I mean we get into the Caleb Farley, you know conversation,

but we're talking about the Virginia Tech. Yeah, we're talking about the draft now. If you want a healthy dude right now, it's JC Horn. And the best thing that he does. Red has gone through a lot of his traits, but the best thing that he does we talk about these combat catchers. He is tremendous at the catch point because he's got the vertical, he's got the length, and he's got he can stay in phase. He's an in

phase corner. There are some corners that are ketchup corners, there are some corners that are immediate jump corners, and then there are some in phase corners. This is an in phase dude that is really good at the catch point. So third corner taken? Is it Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech? Or is it Greg Newsoon from Northwestern? Am I drafting? Yes? Yes, I'm taking Greg Newsom from Northwestern. You're worried about the

back I am again. I dropped out of medical school after once a year because it was way too easy. But this, you know, Caleb Farley is a wonderful prospect from what I know. Again, as I said, I don't do medicals anymore, I'm not ding. But this is not the only issue he's had. He's got a little history. But Newsom has a history too. Yes he does. Newsom miss thirteen games over three years, but he's still he

has not had anything this recent. Okay, in my mind, there's a little bit of lack of production with Greg Newsom in terms of what he had one pick in college, that's it. One an interception. Man. He played great this year, he really did. And the Caleb Farley thing is interesting. Because he had the micro dissected me on his back. He's supposed to be cleared by July. I think he got some good medical news. You know, Indianapolis de oh a couple of three weeks ago. But he's an athlete.

This guy's a former high school quarterback through twenty one touchdowns and ran for thirty some odd more in his senior year and you know, committed as a wide out then moved to cornerback. He's got physical traits, it's just the health because he's missed some stuff with the back

before he opted out in twenty twenty. How much of an impact more than maybe in previous years, is a medical report or previous injuries going to have on this draft because so many teams need their drafted players to play right now, Mac, is that going to have a

bigger impact than typically it would? It's always had an impact, And it's a it's a relevant question because I mean, we're sitting here right now with a great example of a guy that you know, the our general manager, John Drives had the foresight to take and the patients, with the coach and staff to wait on. That is very much worth it. But I think that you have to

know exactly what that. Now, if people know more about Farley than I do, that says this is nothing that are deep down and they know, well, then that's the dude, okay, or if you're willing to wait on him a little bit, but what you say brings up a point. And here's the other thing too. This draft class is the most unusual for a long time because this is the fewest eyes these players have ever had on him in person,

the fewest eyes ever in person. And so to me, the more health that you can get, the earlier that you can get it is going to be important. So what is the surest thing in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft? Mac slam dunk, no question, surest thing? Coupit? Okay, Wow, Florida tight end. He's not a tight end. He's a mismatch monster beast. He will line up anywhere that they

want to whoever gets him. This guy is that. And I can't help but look at the draft as a defensive coach because that's what I was and his you know, m at heart, you think about the matchup nightmares that he's going to cause defensive coaches because this is a guy with an I mean RT's got all his numbers Retz and numbers guy this year, but he's got the wingspan that this guy has. You talk about combat catches, but he can run. He's combative. He could line up removed.

If you're gonna go three by one and have him the single guy by himself over on the other side where you're either going to demand single coverage or be able to get roll coverage. This guy cow pits. The interesting thing about Kyle Pitts is when people have done the comparables of him to former players, former prospects. The comparable that I've seen the most is Megatron is Calvin Johnson, who was not a tight end, who was a extremely large wide receiver who ran four four ish, and I

found that fascinating. How good was Megatron? He was okay, Yeah, he was fine, he was fair. Yeah, So to me, that's a and I've seen him compared to tonygan Zalez, right, just because of tight end, But I think the Megatron is a more fair comparison. Mike Rhet, who's your suriest thing. I'll answer it like Coach Mack. Yes, it's Kyle Pitts. Coach Mack taught us all there's the draft, and then there's the quarterback draft. He's the best player in this

draft that's not involved as a quarterback. Everyone you talk to when you hear some evaluators call him the unicorn, that he is as big as he is, and as coach Mack says, he's got the twitch. In other words, he is just absolutely explosion everywhere and has an incredible physique and the measurables, and I think that's what all right, Yeah, but Coach Max, right, if you're just putting him in a box's tight end. Some people have him rated better than Tony Gonzalez, who you know has a gold jacket.

But I'm with you, he's not necessarily tight end. He's a mismatch nightmare, six five two forty five hands, an incredibly big ten and five eight eighty four inch wings span four to four in the forty ten foot nine inch broad jump, his vertical thirty three and a half even at that size, and he's got the power at twenty two reps at two twenty five plug and play and just watch people just have fits over. Where is

Kyle Pitts on the field. I'm just disappointed that Matt gave your nickname of monster Beast Mike to this guy, he hasn't even done anything yet, and that's what we call you. Thank you. So yeah, do you have a surest thing in this draft as you have studied? I have another one. Actually, I would like to throw this to the the draft duo to see what they think

of my surest thing. Well, mine is a lame one because my surest thing was Trevor Lawrence going to Jacksonville and everyone just kind of reaffirmed that to me earlier in the podcast. So that's also a correct thing. That was My surest thing is that he will be a Jagon. We will see him twice year. My surest thing in this draft is Oklahoma center Creed Humphrey. Oh you'll get sure centers very often. Creed Humphrey didn't allow a sack in his entire career at Oklahoma. Is a great wrestler.

It's in his family. It's in his family. He's massive, and he's the Unicorn of centers because he's a left handed, left handed center. I don't think I realized he was left handed, but yeah, he is scary good. Yeah, somebody's gonna go Creed, You're the center. I mean, this guy, Hello, he could be, he could be all pro. We were around a pretty good left handed center Hall of Famer Kevin what that's right left handed? I'd forgotten that. How

about that? All right? I want to end with this, So I've gone through the top three hundred prospects from Todd McShay and the top three hundred prospects from Dane Brugler, two draft analysts that I think we can all agree we respect. They're a picture, yes, and they're pretty similar on a lot of guys and a lot of the top guys that their numbers are pretty similar. But then they have some that they're way apart on, like, for example, duke tight end Noah Gray. McShay has him his number one,

one sixty five prospect. Brugler has him at two seventy nine, so they're one hundred and fourteen Apolle Wow Sage Sarat the wide receiver from wake Forest McShay one oh four. Brugler has him number two fourteen, so they're over one hundred apart there. Then b Yu offensive tackle Brady Christiansen, Brugler has him at sixty two. McShay has him at two thirty nine. No, now, if Brett doesn't like that you're getting angry. Here's how that's gonna happen. Okay, that's

all right. I like that. But that's to the point, and this is what I want to know from you, coach mac. I'm not being critical of either one of these two guys. I just wonder, with human beings and objectivity being in everything about this process. When you sit in a room with other men and now women who scout as well, what are the factors that force people to be so far apart on the same player. A lot of it can be when you've seen him, Okay, that's when you've seen them. A lot of it can

be how much personal exposure you've had to him. And a lot of it depends, especially this year, as to how much actual recency tape you have on them. And some of them might be just how much time you spent on them. I mean, you don't really know that. And but the thing about those large disparities and gaps, that's what great draft rooms are about, leading up to

the draft, when you write a player up. When I first started writing players up, you know, Bill Tobin said you can write players, but be ready to read them to the room and then if you're challenged, have a reason why, not that you're wrong and not that you're right, but have reasons why. That's extremely important. And then with a group, with everybody with opinions, you can come to a consensus. And at the end, that's the general manager's job, is to get a consensus of all of these picks.

And so nobody's right or wrong. There is no The draft is not right or wrong right. You know, people try to say it's an inexact science. It's not a science at all. It really isn't because what you are doing is you're given opinions. Now you've got a body of work to draw on, and you can't manufacture experience doing this. You have to be able to take years and years, and sometimes it take years of bad moves or of failures, and you were able to compare. But

I don't mind a big disparity to begin with. I really don't. Because somebody they put those grades on those guys for a reason. Sure, but I want to hear the reason. I want to hear your reason, and then not that you're going to convince me I'm right. It's not about right or wrong. I mean, I've got a

great example here we talk about CEO Bricado. Okay, when you know, when Clay Matthews was coming out, Okay, you know, CEO was now over the whole West, and he had only seen Clay Matthews, you know, for a few games. And Clay Matthews wasn't a starter at USC for a while. Then somebody got hurt and he started. And then but because CEO had all of the West all right, then he was only able to spend a little short of time.

So when we started reading them, and you know I had seen you know, of course I wasn't like CEO. I wasn't in charge of the whole West. They gave me a few people to watch, and so when I watched him, you know, I said, well, I think this guy got a chance maybe to be a late first round draft pick, and CEO did not have him that high. So you know, c got me after the draft and said, how could you do that? He said, show me right now what you watched to make him. I thought, I

taught you better than that. And CEO taught me a lot a lot about scouting. So I took him downstairs and showed him. But I showed him some of the later games that you know that he had played. I mean, and you know against I said, look, watch this Oregon State game. Oregon State, I said, CEO, they won eleven games this year. I mean, you know, it's a different Oregon State. In other words, so I'm saying, it's not

that you're right or wrong. And look, C graded more players than I ever grated, and I would all first about him, but I had a reason and some other people did too, and so we all came to a consensus. And see I went, you know what, I could see why watching this that you would say that that's a great explanation, coach, That is just fantastic, because you you know, you just wonder. Both Brugler and McShay obviously at Trevor Lawrence number one and Kyle Pitt's number two, and then

they started differentiating, and then you come back. They had two players later in the draft at exactly the same number. Houston edge rusher Peyton Turner both had him at number sixty and Tennessee guard Trey Smith both at number ninety nine. So they saw those two players exactly the same way. Among the three hundred, somebody said on a show that I was on this week that a draft board is

an organization's fingerprint. Everyone is different, and it's it's just fascinating how people see things and what they see as important, what they see as disqualifying, what they see as oh, this is what this guy can be. It is unbelievable. The best general managers, and again I've got a little point of reference because I've been doing this for a while, are those guys that are really good listeners because they're gonna watch the tape and they're gonna have their opinions.

But they've hired all these other people to go out and do a massive amount of work, and they're they're the best listeners. That's why. That's why a general manager he won't read his report in the room he wants to listen. You need to have that autonomy when you're

in a draft room. If you know, if the five of us are sitting in a draft room and everybody reads the report, everybody has a right to read their report and to not be disparaged by anybody while they're reading it, and then not have anybody don't dispute it until you read me your report, and then read me yours, read me, and then we all sit here and go okay, you know, and then the wise. The wise are big. The wise are big in the draft room. And are you always going to be right? No, you're not. I

mean I've I've made some good draft choices. I've made some really bad ones. But when but when I made him, I didn't think they were bad. Of course, I didn't think, you know what, I'll take this guy. He's really really terrible. It's just gonna I'll just take him because I'm ready to get fired. You know, that's that's not what you do. Coach Mack is so spot on with what I've just

heard you. I was on a show this week where we had Brian Billick as a guest, and the first thing I asked him, because it's draft season, about a guy I think that could be a double Hall of Fame inductee and and Ozzie Knewsom, I think he's a fantastic general manager for the Baltimore Ravens. And I said, what was it about him that made him made you so good? To set you up? You still have to hit on those picks, but he set up on the tea for you. He said he was an excellent listener.

He said he was the best at it. And he said, when we had a difference of opinion about a prospect, we call it in our war room. It was we called it scrimmaging. And he said it was healthy, it was good. We wanted to get out the wise, the who's, the what's all of that, And he said, that's what made those war rooms so good, is that we got all that stuff out there and we might have a different opinion, but we scrimmaged our points and they stumped for why here's what I saw. But he said the

listening was where it started for a coach. Dave McGinnis and Rhet Bryan and Amy Well, I might keep We thank you for joining us, for the oaks and teas where the legends go. Everybody knows it's our house Tennessee. Making us to read cleanness is we got tight and butter running through a v