The Other Side of Things

Michael Brant DeMaria, Ph.D.•theothersideofthings.com

No one knows everything, but everyone knows something no one else knows. In this time of crisis and chaos in culture and nature there is a dire need for honoring all sides of things. We have lost the art of nuance and subtlety. On The Other Side of Things Michael will take you on a deep AND accessible way of looking at yourself, others and the world so you can find a lucid sanity grounded in deep mystery. We will be exploring taboo topics around love, sex, death and madness. You can always check out his Musitations podcast for creativity as a healing, meditative modality as well.

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Episodes

The Other Side of Things (E12) Jung and Shamanism with C. Michael Smith, Ph.D.

00:00 Introduction 01:15 Who is C. Michael Smith? 04:59 What is the Dialogic Method for Jung and Shamanism in Michael's work. 08:23 The ancient history behind understanding the world of Spirit 09:00 Jung's description of an archetypal possession and the need for exorcism 12:39 How Michael was drawn to this deep work of Jung and Shamanism 14:02 Jung's Memories, Dreams and Reflections and Mircea Eliade's work on Shamanism 15:14 Michael's person connection to the Spirit World/Collective Unconscious...

Jul 24, 2025•1 hr 24 min•Ep. 12

The Other Side of Things (E11) Bipolar Awakenings with Sean Blackwell

00:37 Introduction 01:39 Who is Sean Blackwell? 03:59 Our mutual connection to Holotropic Breathwork. 05:32 Sean's Bipolar Episode and Hospitalization. 07:22 Working with his partner's nieces psychotic episodes. 07:57 Dr. John Weir Perry and Dr. Loren Moser's influence on Sean. 09:38 Sean has done 60-70 retreat with people around the world. 13:16 The overlap of spirituality and psychosis in Sean's work. 13:40 Two camps: Peer Support vs. Transpersonal psychology 16:31 Grof's the Stormy Search for...

Mar 26, 2025•1 hr 17 min•Ep. 11

The Other Side of Things (E10) The Aquarian Shaman with Linda Star Wolf #breathwork #healing #shaman

00:00 Introduction 01:04 Who is Linda Star Wolf, Ph.D. 03:35 Star Wolf gives us a beautiful opening blessing 06:57 History of Michael and Star's relationship 11:50 The Spiral Path - the transformational process that requires change! 15:30 The origin of the word Shaman and it's true meaning as Shamaning... 19:16 Trusting when things need to end... 20:42 We all need the right amount of heartbreak. 23:00 My grandmothers who have helped me. 26:13 Shamanism and Breakdown/Breakthroughs 30:00 Growing u...

Feb 15, 2025•1 hr 22 min•Ep. 10

The Other Side of Things (Ep 09) - "My Mysterious Son" with Dick Russell

00:00 Intro 01:05 Who is Dick Russell? 04:47 What is My Mysterious Son about and why Dick wrote it. 06:15 Other ways of looking at Schizophrenia and Otherworldliness . 08:44 Michael's soulchosis/spiritual emergency at 18 and how he worked through it. 10:55 Dick's first contact with Jung and Hillman 12:50 Hillman asks Dick to write his Biography - which turned into 3 large volumes! 14:30 Hillman's advice to Dick regarding his son Franklin - "treat him like a regular person" 15:15 Relaxing with Fr...

Jan 15, 2025•1 hr 14 min•Ep. 9

The Other Side of Things (Ep 08) - Trauma-Informed Personal Training with Gabi Varga

00:00 Introduction 01:13 Who is Gabi Varga? 06:05 A Holistic Approach to Fitness 10:51 The Imprint of Trauma on our Bodies 12:18 Nurturing Our Nervous Systems 20:38 When Clients Feel Safe Even Tears May Come 23:16 Understanding What Dysregulation of The Nervous System Is 37:15 Fight, Flee, Freeze or Fawn Responses. 40:41 What Trauma-Sensitive Personal Training May Look Like 52:00 Where to find out more about Gabi and her work. I first discovered Gabi Varga’s work during the pandemic, while searc...

Jan 01, 2025•54 min•Ep. 9

The Other Side of Things (Ep 07) - "Moments of Eternity" with Michael Meade

00:00 Introduction 01:00 Who is Michael Meade? 03:20 What Michael is tracking post election? 04:00 Manu and the Fish - a story about the origin of human consciousness 08:00 Moving from the Law of the Fishes to the Law of Manu 10:30 How do we feed that 'little fish' in our own life. 11:00 When we are following our calling we can deal with big heavy duty issues! 12:00 The fish is the most ancient symbol of the deep self. 14:00 Something bigger and deeper than politics. 15:30 We are in a collective...

Dec 05, 2024•1 hr 11 min•Ep. 8

The Other Side of Things (Ep 06) - "Intimacy with All Things" with Alyssa Morin

00:00 Introduction 01:17 Who is Alyssa Morin? 02:22 Michael's early trauma 03:35 Gwyneth Paltrow Love, Sex and Goop 04:00 What is Somatic Sex Education? 05:00 Alyssa's background in Zen, Soulwork and being a minister's daughter. 06:00 Alyssa's journey to SSE and what it is. 09:35 Let me dive into everything during her first Saturn Return 11:00 Caffyn Jesse and healing circumcision trauma 13:00 Zen practice as a prelude to SSE 14:50 The power of lineage and containers 15:45 Dogen, "Enlightenment ...

Nov 11, 2024•1 hr 3 min•Ep. 6

The Other Side of Things (Ep 05) - "All The Honey" with Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer #poetry #healing

00:00 Introduction 01:40 Who is Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer? 03:10 All The Honey 04:20 How did you become a poet? 07:50 What opened your heart as a child? 08:19 A poem a day. 09:20 "I wrote the first bare line...pure wisdom...pure foolishness" 10:40 Poetry and dealing with darkness and her son's death. 14:00 Turning Towards What is True. 14:43 It doesn't have to be good, it just has to be true. 16:00 How my daily practice of writing helped me not shut down. 16:34 Finn's amazing light, compassion a...

Aug 24, 2024•1 hr 27 min•Ep. 5

The Other Side of Things (Ep 04) - Stem Cell Therapy

00:00 Introduction 01:37 Who is Kevin Lucas? 03:47 Who is Shannon Rogers? 05:40 How Kevin found stem cell therapy. 09:45 How Shannon found stem cell therapy. 15:18 Michael's experience with stem cell therapy. 19:00 You are not your diagnosis! 20:45 What is stem cell therapy and how does it work? 27:20 The rest of the world has been doing this for the last 50 years! 27:50 In 2015 law changed for us to be able to access in the US. 29:50 Where do stem cells come from? 30:30 How does New Hope Regene...

Jul 10, 2024•1 hr 6 min•Ep. 4

The Other Side of Things Ep 03 - "Polywise" with Jessica Fern

00:00 Intro 01:55 Who is Jessica Fern? 04:00 What is love? 06:00 I wrote this book for love. 08:00 Jessica's finding the language of polyamory 10:00 Paradigms, Mindsets and Social Lenses 11:50 Emotional Wiring from our Conditioned Mindsets 14:00 Polyamory - different ways of understanding many loves 16:15 What are polyintimates? Emotional connections vs. physical 18:00 How to approach difficult discussions around polyamory? 21:00 Parts work - what is it and how to work with our many 'parts/sub-s...

Jun 16, 2024•1 hr 7 min•Ep. 3

The Other Side of Things Ep 02 - "A Fight to Be" with Dr. Ron Bassman

00:00 Intro 06:04 How we met and how he finally published his book 07:30 Madness and Alternative states of reality 11:00 Mad in America and Others Stories 13:04 A Fight To Be - his book 14:07 Ron's 23rd Birthday in the Psych Ward 16:26 "You don't look schizophrenic." 17:00 Auntie Ray, Ron's Mentor 17:33 Fugitive Literature 18:28 Insulin Shock 19:01 "Coming Out" as a psychiatric survivor AS a psychologist 19:51 Michael's Soulchosis at 18 22:00 Being a Double Agent 24:42 What is psychosis? 27:12 M...

Mar 25, 2024•1 hr 39 min•Ep. 2

The Other Side of Things - Introduction - Episode 1

Happy Halloween and welcome to my new podcast! I will still be doing my other podcast: Musitations™: Exploring Music, Meditation, Creativity and Wisdom, however, this is the beginning of a much deeper and larger conversation on many challenging topics where we need to begin to move from the friction of contradiction to the possibilities of creative paradox. Introduction: No one knows everything, but everyone knows something no one else knows – including you! Welcome to The Other Side of Things –...

Oct 31, 2023•16 min•Ep. 1

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