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There’s a Reason Even ‘Smart’ People Surrender to Trump

Feb 13, 202529 min
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Episode description

The deputy editor of Opinion, Patrick Healy, speaks with the columnist M. Gessen about why so many people and institutions, including Democrats, have bent the knee to Trump, despite strongly disagreeing with him.

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